LUCAS SCUDELER (OS SEGREDOS DOS RELACIONAMENTOS) - PODPEOPLE #149

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [ Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] our guest today is a theologian, philosopher, psychoanalyst with special emphasis on relationships, author of the book Path of Truth, among others, we will discuss how self-knowledge dialogue and respect can impact relationships and we will also learn how theology, philosophy and psychoanalysis Can dialogue with each other and help people on their personal journeys with you Lucas [Music] schuder Hello Hello everyone, welcome to another episode from pod people a place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People who happen People who inspire our guest

today is a philosopher theologian psychoanalyst writer his name Lucas Scudeler all good my dear oh right name very true very true it's a pleasure It's an honor to be here, thank you for the invitation , that's what we appreciate your presence. I hope I can contribute knowledge to us and to our entire audience, let's go, my dear, I found it very interesting. I've been stalking you for about 8 months, very good. Um, without you knowing, Dev had passed the cryo So he passed, otherwise he wouldn't have stopped here, great and I found it very interesting,

first of all, your training, yes, because it's very eclectic, right, philosophy, theology, psychoanalysis, then you play for Freud, for Yung, right, you do it there Like that thing with all the knowledge, I absorbed what interests us , right? And I think this is really cool because I think that all knowledge is applicable, there is some truth behind it, exactly so we go out collecting beautiful fruits, you know, from each tree we take a little bit and we can make a mixed salad there. You don't just need the tree of sin there, no, the forbidden fruit,

you don't need the forbidden fruit, right? So I wanted you to tell me a little about your journey and then talk about your book and then talk a little about relationships, which is your specialty, very good, very good. let's go uhum well I like to talk Mainly I think that the most important main jobs that live in my heart are Mari's father who is my beloved little daughter I am Luciana's husband also my great life partner who supports me in everything these journeys and Adventures Without her support I probably wouldn't be able to do almost

anything I did I'm a philosopher I'm a philosopher in philosophy I'm in Theology I'm passionate about psychoanalysis I've read the complete Freudian literature a few times and Jungian literature a few times too and the first time I came across Jung maybe My one of my great disciplinary passion today is Jung is of an abysmal depth It's abysmal truth so hey I had some Episodes of I call it Encounter with God, right in fact I didn't want to see God and God was there by my side and I ignored God but he didn't give up on

you he never gave up on me thank God and at some point there came a saturation point of Suffering that I decided to surrender and give up my vanities of wanting knowing and having all the answers God was there by my side saying Take my hand because I guide you, right and within some of these episodes I came across a way of resolving paradoxes which is something I didn't know before and many steps In my life I have had great paradoxes, right? I think the first great trauma I had after becoming a psychoanalyst, gaining experience

with that and everything else, the first great emotional ideal trauma I had was in the fourth grade when I had a best friend who had my entire deposit of faith and I kind of loved this friend, he was a very dear person to me and when we went on vacation and the school year started, I came back the Following year, he came to me with news, a realization that throughout the series he said something like this, Lucas, I can't be your friend, but I said Wow, why, right ? some, it was in the third or

fourth grade, it was in the third or fourth grade and he said I can't do it anymore because it was at the beginning of the third or fourth grade and I was in shock and I simply swallowed it and internalized it, psychoanalysis, a bomb, right? a totally aaa Mud bomb direction, externally nothing had happened, but internally it totally changed me, my pursuit of values ​​broke, then, inside that intimate Cico that I considered sacred, I felt the deep pain of betrayal, then I imagine an 8-year-old boy thinking about Revenge, thinking about, uh, distrust, thinking that you

can't trust anyone, this all made me develop a personality that today I call the chameleon. I created a vow within myself to never again be rejected in any social group I entered and not only not be rejected how to become the leader Of those groups, but what happened was that I found myself in an emotional cycle of joining the group, becoming the most popular person, leading that group, I lost interest, I had to discard that group, joining another, I had to be the next one, I had to move on to the next one, you started

to have a hunger for never being rejected again, never again for absolute acceptance of absolute control of the environment, yes, and whatever happened, but when I got to the point of conquering and totally controlling that environment, that environment, no it brought me the challenge that I needed more because I couldn't prove myself so I couldn't let that repressed disaffection anymore. So I had to go to another environment where I wasn't accepted and succeed in that other environment again, all over again Wow, that was a lot suffering, right? This was only resolved with and takes you

away from your Essence, right? Luc, your Essence wasn't that, it was being a friend, right? Suddenly you created a character, I had a strong tendency towards introspection and I then put myself in a dilemma, a paradox, the first paradox at the age of 8 9 where I said I need to be the Most charismatic extrovert on the planet, I doubt that I am an introvert, that is, I was practicing profound violence, this was resolved at the age of 27 28, after I had been in music for 10 years, wanting to be singer wanting to be

famous and God by my side saying so don't do that because this is not for you look the abyss awaits you the abyss awaits you until here I protected you now and from 16 to 27 28 years I dedicated myself to music very much to music but also a way to introduce a new skill to seduce new groups would be music It was because I reached a certain stage in my life where all the groups I belonged to I was extremely Popular ahem so where is the frontier of the unknown of the next group of

the next collective to be conquered is the public forum, so the song came as this big attraction of here you will have a stage where you will have to conquer all the time from show to show show to show I have to conquer a new plan exactly an absurd slavery exactly and what happened was that throughout the ages of 16 to 28 27 28 years I fought with all my strength to be famous and today I Am sure that God was saying you will not be famous because I don't want you to be famous Why

not That way, it's not like that, so that was the vision at that time, you're not going to be famous with music, right? It's wonderful, I'm just talking about the unique experience of the human being. Lucas wasn't that for Lucas, right, and I had an extremely flexible voice, I could copy any type of singer, I had a lot of creativity in composition too, and what happened was that during many highs, and lows I lost my voice and I got my voice back, right God said I took your voice and you went there and you fought

with hate to get it back and now it's okay I gave you back your voice that I lent you uhum but now we've reached a point where I put the whole context together to make it work and on the first day that I heard a song that we had composed, we auditioned with several music professionals in Brazil and there were a lot of really big people saying man, this is amazing, I understand and in my environment it was approved by an elite mus by great authorities By authorities of a musical elite of people who have

already launched great artists and these people were extremely excited and enthusiastic saying man we are going to start a movement because there was a rock business it cannot die in Brazil and I came from rock so there were always trying to find the Jesus Christ of rock, understand And then vanity has no limits, you think that, oh, maybe I'm the Jesus Christ of rock and roll, understand, and what happens is that when I heard the song during the audition for the first time, it was finished people were euphoric all around, everyone, the entire team, great

professionals and I felt agony at the first listen and I had that song for a week listening to it on repeat in my car and at home, I think I must have heard it a few times. 500 times the song and that's feeding that agony I say man how am I not feeling what these people are feeling and what I thought I would feel when that happened exactly After this raw route basically this week on the last day that the The agony was maximum, I felt in prayer to God, I don't know exactly The details

now, but I think I asked God for help to reveal to me what he wanted and God said to me like that, it was a feeling, right? I wanted your wish so much you're going to be famous but I want you to know one thing later I'm not going to interfere anymore this song is going to be your springboard to fame and you're going to be enslaved to it forever Bye and I felt the presence of God leaving close to me I shudder to say this now feeling that you would have success but your Wi-Fi

with him would have communication interference yes because it wasn't his will exactly so I'm giving it to you he said oh success of the music is here you will have it because of all the effort of all the energy and all the resources you put in you created the formula to achieve uhum but you won't have my blessing because that 's not what I want for you I I have other things for you and something else has nothing to do with me I'm just going to tell you what's going to happen you're going to be

enslaved to her forever you had that feeling no I was sure so yeah It's a feeling of an internal truth That spoke who If you said it, it didn't matter And then you had to choose, it's more than a sensation, even Ana, because it's an absolute conviction, the more you listened, the agony increased until that point. I still didn't have an answer until that yes. After this theophany, it became an absolute certainty a conviction Uhum And what happened was that in the next few days I scrapped the entire musical project, there were dozens of people

who no one understood at all, people were in shock, like, everything freaked out, among the dozens of people, there was one who was a singing teacher, one guy who was a singing coach that I had. He looked me in the eye and said, I understand you, man, I don't know what you're doing, but you're consistent, I understand you, he said, I felt like he knew, understand, understand. the subjectivity of the experience why Because this guy had already made it big with country music 20 years ago and had already had the stages of fame He knows

the pressure that fame is I understand and He looked at me he says I know why you're doing it That 's right, continue, he was the only one, everyone else had gone through it, he went Through it, he was the only one who had experienced this, he had gone the way I chose not to go, exactly, you understand, I understand, he went the other way, he said, man, I I felt like he went back in the past I wanted to have seen himself he saw himself in me and he said like this man I should

have made this decision that you're making the right decision, everything was unspoken, it's non-verbal, yes, but that's what you said, a conviction a conv a feeling that became a conviction And then from that moment on I undid everything I had been building for 10 12 years and I had nothing Zeroed zero I had a blank life a blank letter and as incredible as it may seem all that anguish melancholy sadness anxiety disappeared uhum the following week I had the best week of my life I could hear the birds sing I could feel the wind coming

through my window I spent hours watching the sun hit the flying dust That's beautiful in the air That's beautiful and I would be in a contemplative state for hours and hours and hours, if people didn't arrive to talk to me, go have lunch, it's lunch time, it's dinner time, you lost track of time, there I was in a state of Timelessness uhum that's how old just to give me an idea 28 28 uhum 2 between 28 and 29 years old this temporality lasted about 3 months I was in a state of Ecstasy for about 3

months As if I had been immersed in a bathtub of love I understood it was bizarre the reward of the leap of faith of speaking like that, no, I don't want to, God doesn't abandon me, I'm going to stay with you, I'm choosing you, I'm choosing you, I'm going to stay with you, and then what happened was that what was glimpses of truth seems who opened the gate of heaven Uhum there was no doubt there was no anxiety there was only joy but from a worldly point of view you are I was dysfunctional yes you

were you disconnected from the olal people's univ and connected to another frequency this guy is sitting in the couch for 6 hours is there something wrong uhm my mother called the Father to come home, right, there's a psychiatrist friend who called me too to talk to me to see if I was coherent or if I was catatonic catat catatonia so I ended the call and the The doctor said this, man, he's super coherent, he knows exactly why he's sitting because he wants to, he's Convinced of it, he's convinced that if he changes something, he'll call

me but nothing's happening He just wants to do it. Ask him, I'm fine, okay? everything was calm, this tannic state, he started terminating it and then the ordinary mind started to come back and say like this, then you're going to do what you're going to do with your life, you're going to sit on the couch forever until the day you die uhum we're going to have to do it something, right And along with this questioning mind came a desire to understand what had happened, I false because you had understood that it wasn't meant to be

but you still didn't have the conviction of what that episode that happened after the resignation would be because I renounced the Ego's project, which was Ego's life project, the ego said this is what we are going to do until the day we die, our last breath And then there came a moment where the ego was renounced, there, that whole ego project, that sense of me and then what happened was that all that energy that was thrown away the ego didn't have the strength to return so the sense of individuality couldn't even appear it was just

a state of joy of ecstasy uhum full And then What happened was that after that I started to gain energy to be able to come back again to start giving my opinion, making our lives hell, that's when I decided to understand what had happened in this theophany and in this episode, I went on a very deep journey of self-knowledge, I went after philosophy, I said it like that it has to have happened to someone, this can't have been my thing because I know the conviction is absolute, no one has any arguments to get there if

Sócrates came here to talk to me and tried to convince me that I had no experience, he wouldn't be able to do it, you wouldn't it would be rude to Socrates But you would respect it, you would say your questions were amazing, dear, but I am convinced, yes, you will understand me, you had your convictions even before you went to die, exactly You know that conviction you had exactly when you gave your last class and then it went to death exactly I 'm like this so this conviction is something that doesn't leave it stays with

you even though then the ego returns and you return to the opinionated state and you enter into matters of the world again it's Like opening a new layer of depth where at any time you need it you can disconnect from this superficial layer go to a deeper layer this layer is present all the time here now while we speak there is a silence certainly behind it parallel parallel In fact, silence supports our noises uhum we're making noises with our mouths here it's because we were educated to understand the noises that each person makes so my

noises make sense to you but if we get a Greek now here he'll talk like this dude this guy he's making noise with his mouth, yes, because he doesn't know Portuguese, despite having logic in the Portuguese language, we're making noise uhum, this noise we can only understand these symbols that we're emitting because there's a silence behind it, certainly without the silence, if Guns and Roses were playing here, we wouldn't be able to hear it so we can only manifest something in our life because of the silence that supports it in our life, this was a

very deep understanding of all the Ego projects that I had, It is because there is a plane of consciousness behind it that energizes this, what you You're telling me if I 'm wrong, correct me Lucas, please, what are you telling me that our essence, our consciousness, resides in the silence that we don't or can't establish so that we can focus on preaction, exactly? what you said, it's just not in the Non-action it's in the preaction pration in what precedes what precedes action is a preaction premise that can be action or inaction yes I can choose

not to act I can choose not to act this is also an action this it's also an action that you took exactly I said I'm not going to follow this path and all that egoic structure that was built around that all the feelings and affections and ideas were simply discarded It's as if you had formatted my hard drive uhum literally literally I started from scratch uhum this process So it put me on a journey of Philosophy of theology that you started self-taught self-taught is a necessity of your perfect existential essence it was a thirst for

the truth that I had since I was a child since before the trauma I remember since I was 4 years old Of age that I had a Yearning for the truth and mine then I went to ask my mother if she had any behavior I said You asked why of all things you were already a philosopher so she kept saying something me why mother why why why And then she arrived to see you asked me 30 times and I arrived for yes and for yes it's very frustrating uhum Uhum And this was later stifled with

the growth of childhood in adolescence with adapting to the environment adapting to the environment and came back later with this experience of renunciation of the Ego it came back very strong, so I entered the process of searching for philosophy and searching for theology, I revealed patterns because as I began to doubt the structures that My Ego had built, everything that came as a traditionally built structure I doubted it Is this true because if it is true it has to stand on its own yes so I had a fervent Catholic upbringing I abandoned religion I became

an atheist then I became an agnostic because there is no way you can be an atheist without you loving the truth ex and I became an agnostic, then I became a Buddhist, then a Hindu, then a Taoist, but You studied all of this, you studied everything, all the sacred books of primary sources and each exit from this bag vaguita as well Uhum And each exit from this you had some experience that changed or it was the desire for knowledge to pass through I think the cycle of the thirst for Knowledge was exhausted Then you went

to one and the interest was zeroed and at the time that interest zeroed out this this drive of motivation it was lost you say like this if you The terrain became dry because I'm not supposed to stay here anymore, so this became very clear to me what happened in the groups, the seduction groups, the movement was always exactly the same movement, one was to not be rejected, the other was to seek the truth, the truth, truth has changed a little bit, right, the lack has changed, the quality has changed the quality of desire, so this

learning became like When you find ideality, question deeply if this path is not for you to follow uhum because if it's arid because there are many people who justify aridity as but Jesus spent 40 days in the desert, that's ok, but Jesus has another purpose as a Savior, he was in a process of transmutation, it was at the moment He became Christ, the desert and the desert has a reason, only when you don't have anything else option and the desert is the only option then you Embrace the desert this is something that became very clear

to me because when I was doing these seduction processes I had the option Uhum is that I didn't choose because I was stuck in my desire when I I arrived in this process of searching for truth in religions I had an option I knew I had it so it ran out here I changed So I went to the vagita I went to the treatises on Taoism ramana maharshi advaita vedanta eh tte King then ed mapada the Canon pali tripitaka and Bible Uhum So this whole journey And by incredible it seems like when I went through

this whole journey because of the traditional process that I had with the church I maintained a certain trauma regarding it uhum I was so suspicious so suspicious so suspicious of what was sacred that I ended up doing through the Association like if that sacred will hurt me this sacred can also hurt me I understand so I'm going to be very cautious with this here until the contrary is proven guilty I understand I understand I'm studying you so as not to be a victim Exactly exactly of this truth or that truth so I went to Fontes

very diverse uhum and then what happened and what I often talk about studying Buddhist philosophy was the Buddha who told me that Christ was God Uhum And then many people say Christians They say this, wow you are a Christian you are not a Christian this is heresy I don't know what man, the holy spirit acts through all things ex he is present in creation every being has the potential to serve God according to its translucency, delivery if the Buddha inspired me to understand that Christ is an ally and not a person for me to have

a screen like that to have surrender and for me to have faith This is commendable it means that God acted through the Buddha and showed me a path that I was not seeing for sure And that was exactly what made me vote to Be a Christian because I didn't identify myself as a Christian, but I mean, Buddhism led you to Be a Christian, ah Being a Christian, Buddhism made me a better Christian. Look how cool, how cool, how cool, and it's, I think it's an interesting thing too, because when I was a Buddhist, something that

I missed the callousness of the Christian So I was a better Buddhist because I Was a Christian within Buddhism within Buddhism because the Buddhists there were usually not they came from other traditions Or from or from agnostic or atheist families and I was a better Buddhist for being a Christian because there are theological gaps within the doctrine itself and I am a better Christian for having been a perfect Buddhist without a doubt and the thing that we mentioned, right, you were thinking about each tradition, one of them, what echoed as truth for you and then

the What happens today that I think is very different, right? Because many Christians ask for a lecture or ask for advice or ask for presence or a word and I always refuse to give a talk in church. I never give a talk in church . someone has bad intentions and puts a label on you to get a seal of validation, I understand what you're talking about, right ? the Logos It's logic needs to have an explanation and many of the great dogmas that the church is limited to not teaching either because the priest does not

have the competence To teach or because bigger leaders do not want to teach from various Christian churches Yes Yes we are talking general general and this blocks many believers from developing which is one of the highest virtues according to Saint Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae to develop the virtue of faith to develop the virtue of contemplation which I had already experienced, yes at the age of 28 at the age of 28 so that contemplative state of Ecstasy that Tomás ja Aquino explains I already knew it existed that it was true you experienced it before

even rationalizing before rationalizing then I went back to understand how to get there Uhum And when I find Dogma I say this no you will see what the explanations are the extreme of Logic uhum and then what happens is that I try to be the sharpest razor possible that cuts from so many sides that it is impossible for the person to talk like that man he is offending me by saying in this video but he offended so and so and so and so he offended everyone, personal, it's not for me, so it's not personal, he

offended me, but he offended my husband too, he offended me, my son, he offended my father, I think if everyone Had seen it here if I, that's the most common comment I I hear people come and talk like that man the first time I saw you I hated you ahem and then I didn't then I heard it again because you stayed in my head and then it started to make sense because it has logic because it has logic exactly I felt the same thing Look, it's been 8 months, I felt it at the beginning because

we didn't want to see the answers that are obvious Uhum So logic has this ability to After a lot of decoupage After a lot of sharpening you can see the obvious that is in front of you I couldn't see that there was Chestnut here in front of me I'm just that It was here the whole time here, just as I couldn't see the state of Ecstasy of contemplation that was extended to me the whole time, there by my side, like the silence that is present here between our words and I ignore it the whole time

because I'm so fond of the words uhum this is a type of idolatry that is what takes us away from the exalted high states that makes us escape from our conscience Without a doubt it is what creates this disconnection from our conscience because We is stuck in a narrative that our ego is telling and we identify with the narrated character, but this narrated character is a character that sometimes adapts if the person is very intelligent with the lived context of their life and sometimes not as the schizophrenic who is telling a narrative here a narrative

here a narrative here The Psychopath who tells a narrative that no one understands only he understands that he is very crazy the very intelligent person tells a narrative of a character that is highly persuasive So everyone looks and say what Lucas is saying, it's true, this character is very elegant, this character is a pomp of honor, and what happens is that when you are very intelligent, you tend to fall prey to the arrogance of the narrative of the character that you tell him exactly who he is what we see in the history of the great

geniuses which is what we see in the history of the great geniuses in the stories of the great geniuses and the great manipulators of humanity is also funny and you because of a deep study Maybe mine because of a profession vice but everything that comes with this eloquence With this ego with, I don't know, it always gave me a strange feeling, being somewhere, like, um, it doesn't seem true to me, yes, you know, and I think that the glory of life is when the character you created is very similar to your essence, yes, it gives

you peace because you don't have to be on stage anymore, no, you just live, you don't need to be perfect and it's much better and I can make an additional proposal if we take the time to create a character and each moment of our life Ah, you'll remember this, but when we were studying, we were at school, we had that one, the projector had some slides, I remember that people put it on, sometimes you won't know, but there was a projector and each slide was a photograph of one of a moment Especially when you were

telling a story you would have the projector and the projector would show the photographs It was a wheel a wheel and you would turn it would give a feeling of movement an exact sequence imagine that each of those slides in that photograph has a character from one slide to the next there is a time lapse in which the character Dea ceases to exist in the new moment perception captures The environment creates a new character as adapted as possible to that environment in the next moment does it again in the next moment does it again in

the next moment Do it again, that is, this is knowledge, wisdom that comes from advaita vedanta, the universe is created and collapsed at each micro instant in consciousness So what happens is that we create an adapted ego that comes back to itself and creates another adapted ego that comes back for itself it creates another adapted ego it returns to itself if we can understand that this movement of expansion contraction expansion contraction is happening all the time I can stay in the previous space of the square then the character who is on stage acting at that

moment ceases to be important what is important is The Observer who energizes the character so what you are telling me is something similar to something I have always believed I have always said we are not our thoughts we are the consciousness that observes them and criticizes them because for example how many Sometimes I found myself the person like that, no, you're what you think, bullshit, I'm exactly not what I think because there are times when I have stupid thoughts that my conscience Out here makes a ridiculous nod to where are you thinking, that's me, that's

perfect success, I saw some of your episodes before I came here last week, I won't remember which episode it was but you said that you treated some Alzheimer's patients and it brought you a certain frustration and that you saw the person just leaving so when you saw that she felt affection and that she was present there, perhaps more present than other people who have an active character, you said that this gave you a Warmth in the Heart, something like that, yes, because I always thought that we there were clouds of knowledge Consciousness is a big

cloud and then people say You're crazy, I said it like that, people, it's like when we have Alzheimer's, the brain device is defective and isn't capturing it, but we exist there, pre-thought, pre-before thought exactly pre-thought I didn't use that term because I'm here agreeing with you and uh and I told people that but that was like 20 30 when the iCloud thing came along I heard that thing a little patient but I already knew no patiently no because then you store everything In the cloud I said what is it like explain it to me then

he explained it I said perfect everyone has a cloud for me my conscience is like that yes I just go there and see from there that's what the church traditionally called of soul this cloud is soul the soul It is not an ontological being transl of light the soul it contains the good and the not so good it contains both things file is the file is the cloud of what you are in essence and what you have to learn and process and clean also and what you have to activate So this process of identifying and

this is a problem that we are talking about now because because as a philosopher we attack directly decar uhum if we attack the Cartesian philosophy that we have 200 years of scientific method structured on top of discard and Newton exactly so just this one sentence that we are saying here we are attacking the academy in its Foundation, not me when I said this I said this thing I am what I think, it's bullshit, boy, who are you? I stopped to undo the dec, I said no, people, it's just an impression. Maybe it will reveal itself,

but I have the right to feel like I have a conviction that can become empty over time, too, because he concluded. that I think therefore I exist when in truth the truth is I exist therefore I think exactly Without a doubt how you were able to clearly see a Mystical experience with your Alzheimer's patient exactly like I had this cathartic theophanic experience where I had no thoughts to identify me only you It was just me, that's why I stayed catatonic for hours at a time, I just had a thought when you want to have lunch,

yes, it didn't take a while, right, it did, because the connection was slow, yes, check if you're hungry, check your stomach, are you hungry, then answer yes, so that's the my total consciousness here I always say I am this here that is seeing me all the time and this state if I arrive and I say that I am not conscious is an absolute lie because the state is one of super consciousness Exactly because you are conscious of things that you have never been before and This changes redirects your life as a whole so much of

what I teach today is to try in some way without great pretensions to push people in that direction those who want and are ready to awaken their consciousness because we all Have consciousness we all have There are people who say like this, oh, there's no such thing, love, no, you haven't realized it, yes, not even a philosopher, I think every human being is a philosopher. Without a doubt, he hasn't awakened yet. He hasn't awakened. The potential is there. The potential is there, without a doubt. So, that's crazy no no that's sanity that's total sanity maintenance

of sanity maintenance of sanity because when you question it cont decart I love it it inspired me a lot of things nothing against it just that he's wrong but I think it's beautiful because he had to think that way and talk like that Anyway, I needed to study a lot to look at it from another thing I said no, he said that but it's just a detail and I don't take anything for granted what he did, I doubt it's wonderful what he did, there's another thing too, which is an academic bias, which is when we

start studying a little more history enters the human sciences we begin to see what is behind the exact sciences or science In the laboratory you start to see, for example, Newton, people talk a lot about the mathematics of Newton's physics and the entire academy is built around the Newtonian Paradigm and it is wonderful because Modern society is just that, you will see that the Newtonian work that is the so-called classic is a fraction, it has books and books on Alchemy about symbolism, because Jung went there and studied Newton and said why hasn't anyone read Newton's

book here, the guys only put the theory of gravitation there in Oxford and dot dot is over Newton that's it the apple this is the only thing that falls there Jung himself says it's the only part they understood of perfect Newton that's why they only explain the theory of gravitation because it's the only part they just understand that the whole process of Alchemy The whole process of Symbol of semiotics of how a human being changes the pragmatic change of attitude precedes a symbolic change in the Imaginary if I can't visualize a change how do I

change there is no possibility I No, I can't march in the direction of what I don't know exists exactly, my world is the size of the things I know, then we have a truth discovered by Freud that remains as true as when he discovered it, so a truth if it is it and passes the test of time is a truth that I Don't think even he knew how consistent this truth was but it is the truth of projection the principle of projection it is unconditionally active except in a state of Love there is only a

state where you suspend The projection that is when you are present, truly loving because it is a state of loving, is that you fully accept the moment as it is without wanting it to change, doing your best in that state, there is no drive of need to desire to project something because if I accepted reality as it is I don't need to protect myself from it but what you're talking about is not love, it's romantic, it's true love, not a State of Mind Love is a state of consciousness State of Mind no no no no

the State of Spirit the state of love of full acceptance of the present moment as it is in this state there is no danger I understand if there is no danger there is no need for the projection mechanism to be activated uhum but before the State of love the projection is active the entire time or be everything you see in your life is you Uhum And people are all the time trying to talk about others everything you say about others is you I see myself in it's you that's one thing this Projection of the Ego

is it's you You're saying something very interesting, it happens all the time, right, and that 's why we are social beings, yes, because I need the other to project and see me because otherwise I can't, it's also because it's much easier to project onto Ana than onto the glass of water glass exactly you are a you are a blank canvas much more moldable for me And then I can see myself much more clearly in you than in the glass Uhum but we also project ourselves in the glass for example the car is an extension of

projection Definitely why do you choose one brand and not the other Ah because it has more to do with my personality this brand here is more elegant this is more my style it is an extension of projection this in our house in the decorations in the food that we choose everything the extension of projection and we don't even realize it, right? And you said something so interesting, for example, Freud, I think Freud is great, but when I read Jung, I said this, people, we were unfair to yunk, wow, the story must a retraction yet Dev

still It must be true because Jung starts to talk about spirituality yes that it is a human dimension That Freud consciously said I will not enter that territory No exactly but that does not mean that it does not exist no without a doubt it is that he did not have control he didn't want to enter the territory that he didn't have control over, that's why I'm talking about fant and this is so interesting because there are people who, to this day, are like that, oh, I'm not going to talk about that because my school is,

I don't know what my school is, people, life is a school where all knowledge must be and used must be absorbed we must appreciate knowledge like appreciating perfect wine and you received the learning from every moment of life left here yours Ah, you've already added it Okay, love, thank you perfect then and people do this because and we also know that Freud himself did this because to maintain a certain sense of authority over Jung and what happened was exactly the opposite he lost he totally lost Jung's respect when he did that's because then what we

saw later in Jung's work, I find Jung's work fascinating, I'm always going back and rereading it because I always discover new things, for example, like you see in the part where He explains Christianity, the importance of symbolic Christian imagery and he proposes an alchemical theology That's right and he goes back there saying that the power that Christianity has is the ability to be an imaginary of symbols a great hero historical facts because this is a gap in other religions If you take the sacred books Hindu, if you are Buddhist, there is no historical correlation, they

are very powerful metaphors, they are very powerful archetypes, they are transformational, they are alchemical, but there are many people who talk like that But was it true because if it wasn't, it's like a cool, powerful story of A Hero , but when you have the historical fact within the plot and you take 70% of the Bible is a historical fact with date and you have great professionals now archaeologists raising data to confirm everything that happened along with a heroic mythopoetic narrative of transcendence you have confirmation of what Jung managed to theorize which is the archetype

of the transcendent self that then we have the final conclusion that the purpose of human life is to achieve Individuation which is where this range of options of opportunities opens up that in other pre-individual states there is no such thing as you have an experience of ecstasy if you are not an individual. I certainly don't experience this , but then the person who wants to have this experience because he has a craving for it will have the experience of Ecstasy without paying the price to get there what is impossible What is impossible What is impossible

why it damages the body exactly ch the body is damaged because the body is not ready because the mind is immature just what the person wants having an experience of Ecstasy without having the maturity to have it is like a 5 year old child wants to drive a car like that but you don't have the slightest conditions, no, but I'm going to take the car and I'm going to drive it . accident is a fact, go, go, go, that's what happens to drug users, Jung made this very clear, Jung's logical map is a fabulous thing

because at the same time he had a sharp razor of logic, he had a mastery of the imagination of history an Artistic capacity an artistic sensitivity that I have never seen a scientist with this artistic capacity of Jung, his capacity for interpretation and he himself said what I do is a mix of science and Art because there is no way you can touch a human soul consciousness cannot only with science only with science exactly what will touch a brother is art and science will give you the ex path of knowledge and will validate the experience

valid exactly perfect perfect you studied huh boy are you obsessively obsessively it's always been like this Part of the study, taking away from the trauma , was always after the age of 28. After the age of 28, I was already studying, I was already reading, so I already had the great narratives, for example Narna, tales of Nar C Lewis, it's from Lord of the Rings, right there, it's The Little Prince. Almost everyone liked The Adventures of TIMTIM there, so I really liked these playful stories that had the heroes in there, so this Hero thing was

always something that captivated me a lot, but you and in the logic of liter um It was after Teia because Then, after that experience, I needed to explain this to myself. Were you already like this in your life Alone, or were you already married, had you already found your first love? I was with my wife, we were already girlfriends, we had been dating since we were 18 So she went through all the phases , all these phases she went through, she saw it with you, she saw everything, I understand, she is literally a witness because

she was left out watching all this transformation happening And then she saw it externally, right? And then there are many things that she I didn't understand then I after I we got married, the intimacy increased a lot, I started talking to her, the trust because when things were happening, sometimes I tried to tell her some things, she was like, man, what is it difficult? Is Lucas going crazy, exactly, am I, I think I am? separating things then I felt I said I'm not sharing too much for this moment, understand And then I reserved there were

things that took me 10 years to share like this story Now it's the first time I've shared uhum I hadn't shared this story publicly with anyone yet But I couldn't put it into words Ahem, I understand, it was still so abstract, it was so Difficult to put this narrative into words so that it would generate the least identification and people would understand what I was saying, man, nevermind, no, I can't find the effort that I need to make to be able to explain this here I was talking to her a few moments later, married, she

says like this Wow, now I understand why you acted the way you did Now I understand why you acted the way you did here She trusted you, that's love, she trusted you because she's a very intuitive woman, a very intuitive woman, she when she met me, she looked at me, she said, man, he has something I know , he has to do something, I don't know. what is it, he has a path to follow that I trust in him and I want to be with him in this process the feeling she told me she had

was I feel that Lucas has something big to do and I have to help him and I I want to be present, right, and I want it and she wanted it exactly So she felt it because she's totally behind the scenes, like, if I ask her to record a Stories she says I'm not going to record a stor no Teal 1 million dollars I'm not going, I'm going to film you if you want tell me the little button press like this but don't ask me don't put me in front of the camera perfect you respect

that too totally totally so L she likes behind the scenes she likes Anonymity okay I also like it after I healed that trauma I realized who also loved Anonymity was something I forgot to tell you when I gave up the musical project I felt God blessing me with the blessing of Anonymity again I was able to feel how blessed the anonymous life is, and O Anonymity has something that If we don't have it, we won't study, that's one thing, I have some things from time to time I have to withdraw because for you to evolve

you need it because you only study in anonymity, no one studies in the collective, right, that thing like alienation Let's go to the collective but exact but developing consciousness transcendence is individual is individual in Solitude is Solitude there is no other way out understand Solitude and if you don't like it there are things that are unresolved because if you don't like your own company it's just a very crazy crazy thing because This Is a difficult subject to relate to, people have difficulty identifying it because for you to know that Anonymity is a blessing you have

to have flirted with fame exactly you only know that Anonymity is a blessing after fame has become a possibility real and probable uhum because for many years as a psychoanalyst there are a lot of famous people too and how many famous people deal very badly with fame you know this better than me and they collapse it collapses when they don't drink deeply, right because that's what the majority of people asked for that, right? Very famous artists, whether artists, singers, singers, that's what they wanted, it was a fair, correct project without any judgment. Now they come

to a time when they start to overturn and I think it's cool those who wake up to this because they manage to save themselves and then they start to balance There are some who don't wake up and start to lose their identity, you know, they're almost like a painting of Salvador there, right, it dissolves you, for example, a successful case that happened in my view was Jan Carry, Jan Carry, he arrived and said, I'm not going to go. make more comedy films I'm not going to make any more films, people are a joke, right? No,

that's true, I'm not going to make any more. to lose myself and he said it in several interviews I really like the silence in my house I really like my time when I study I don't fit in with Hollywood the most interesting thing that I think is always Maintained that is Kenny Rivers I didn't know I know how he went through gigantic difficulties, right? Maybe it was prepared by very close people, I think that's why he prepared himself for this, because he can be there and not be there, it's because I think he knows what

has value, exactly, he's the guy who continues taking his little subway in New York little subway goes up on stage on Saturday to play with the rock band at the bar that he likes exactly he succeeds he managed to use his success to do interesting and valuable things it doesn't contradict that he likes it exactly but it's because I think he had great losses I think so, very big losses bring him he is sober exactly He is a very sober person this sobriety comes With a lot of pain and we need to go to rock

bottom, right to rock bottom PR to find out that there is spring we spring is God who gives a little jump PR up before you exactly I don't understand perfectly you're saying how cool At what point Lucas did you take on the relationship thing oh This happened in a very unusual way and very spontaneously too and in the last few years my company 2011 ​ ​basis of classical philosophy, right, I had many students in person at school and when the pandemic arrived I was forced to Reinvent myself All of us, right, all of us, I

say what are you going to do that you can't leave the house now man, you can't do a dance You arrived, no, no, I don't have a talent for that either, don't talk like that, I can open the camera to talk, but dancing, forget it, it's not exactly pleasant either and I started thinking about what I could Teach digitally, right? And then many of my students who came from unstructured lives or traumas, they studied philosophy and spirituality with me, they said Lucas, I really like everything you teach, but you revolutionized my relationship life, you teach

relationships, you focus on relationships, and I was reluctant for many years, the trigger for me to accept was the pandemic is like this, man, let me relive what they were saying and let's see if this works. I started making content. I mean, they started looking for philosophy to feel good, exactly, well, to be well, to meet them to be a human being. Yes, I'm a wreck, I'm a wreck, I'm going to rebuild myself as a human being and it ended up that this reflected in relationships, perfect, ex, then what happened was that they met with

them, right, ex, then they were fine, they started to position themselves better, they set limits they learned to speak not because they spoke Yes before, so all this changes qualitatively to the relationships uhum truth what happened was that then I directed all the knowledge I said so I can put all this together here to teach some method for relationships There is a method for relationships because I I had a very good, very stable, monogamous relationship, I was with my wife for 20 years, so from 18 until 41 we were together, this is the 24th year

that we've been together, so we were together for 20 years, he said that to me, it was, it was, a status quo was cinequanon type of relationship is stable is based on trust is based on loyalty and people say man what you have we don't have so you have to teach us we want it that's simple PR you I want you to teach I did a process of self-reflection internalization brought us to that contemplative state to find these answers and ask for help from God and God said like this, here's the pattern, it's within what

you already teach, you just need to emphasize this, this, this, this, focus on body of knowledge like Dire volaria for affective relationships very shy relationship content the profile started to grow it took a while to Get going 1 year 1 year and a half until 50,000 followers then I was invited to the first podcasts when I went to the first podcasts and people eh we made cuts from the podcasts when we made the first Podcast cuts we found a gold mine because it seems that the cuts, the way I speak, the intonation, the way I

sometimes say some things that are blunt, like it bothers a lot of people a lot and the algorithm loves it that's the cuts, right, which are there at most 1 minute, it was even less at the beginning, right now it supports you up to 1 and me two TR, I don't know, the other day they said I could talk for up to 15 minutes and you can't boost it above 1 and me But you can make the cut as much as you want, right? And then this happened exactly to me too. I was from the

television era, I had done everything on television. podcast and it's interesting that the cuts reproduce it seems like it's the truth in an intensity and in a time that the other has to hear, it's a truth, it hits you, doesn't it, it's a tip, it's like a punch from Noca, you're a punch from Noca and a Well-made cut he shuts up whoever is looking for something, whoever isn't there will pass, plays in our favor because the algorithm wants to find whoever wants it. I understand, so when you make a well-structured cut of a real Wisdom

pill, the algorithm will fight to find who wants that Uhum So you have a strong ally who is an algorithm that wants to impact as many people as possible to increase retention who are looking for this punch who are looking for this punch because the punch is retention for the algorithm, the only thing that the algorithm, he doesn't want the punch, he doesn't want any of that, he just wants retention to sell ads, yes, but it's interesting that for us who create knowledge content and that ends up reverting to self-knowledge, yes, this really helped us,

Mou J, right? I'm not saying that there is people who make gossip content Ok, no problem, I think there's room for everyone, there will always be entertainment and choice, choice, we are responsible for Our choices, I choose what I'm going to see, right? And the more knowledge I have, the more you come here give knowledge people can make better choices or I don't agree, right? You don't Have to say Take away the other, don't take away from anyone, don't let society have to be free, have to be free and we have to teach as much

as we can, people think and they are responsible for their choices, it will always be like this, I agree, comb, right? There's no point in fighting, there's no point in hitting, trying to convince, isn't it because then we even come back with theological teachings, right? And when if you give me R 100, you give me these R 100 It's given, it doesn't matter, I'm going to do charity with your R 100, these R 100 that you gave me generates Virtue in me, yes or no in you, yes, you gave it to virtue, it needs a

self-sacrifice, if on one side here on one side it has the action, yes, on this side there is the work, if on this side there is no sacrifice for the execution of this work, I took your resource, let's say that I did not perform the action, I paid someone to do a good deed, but I used your money, the sacrifice was yours exactly the sacrifice was not mine I was just the bureaucrat along the way who took the resource here and threw it there, sometimes until it covered a toll, of the 100 that Ana gave

me, I'll take 20 and spend 80 just for stress of having to manage her R100 there's A name for it called the exact state State does that exactly taxes taxes when you do something that is imposed there is no gain in virtue because there is no individual sacrifice endi understand it is ex exactly because of this gap structural theological logic that collectivist ideology doesn't work if the person has a lot of people who take it, for example, I'm doing a study of a book that I want to release, and I was doing a study on

the Bible where there are people who take the biblical passage and say it like that, no because Jesus was a communist Jesus was a socialist and that is what Christianity teaches, right? And it just lacks a very deep logical theological interpretation and there is a lot priest today uses it okay and I think that in my view They are people who are adversaries to what is the real teaching of Christ yeah because when you do a mathematical study of how many and verses there are of and endorsement of individual freedom it reaches the thousands when

you talks about verses that can be interpreted as an endorsement for collectivist ideas in the tens if it reaches a hundred Uhum And when you study these Verses you will see that all The invitations to collective social action are the individual of their own free will You must want to do this social action, I understand, never imposed by a supervisor who tells you Ana, you have to be Generous, go there and give your money. This is very easy, it's not that thing that, in the end, your accounting will always be between you and God yes

no and there is no there is a lot of passage this I'm talking about the Bible in Buddhism also all the sacred Liv let's say for each one for each one vision it's the same thing in the East it's called Karma in the West it's called sin or conditions But you will have to pay the bills for the actions and attitudes you take, there is no way you can purge yourself in a collective superior agent Because the moment you place this responsibility on the third agent you become immature Certainly this social structure of social organization

in my view is a nefarious attempt to keep people immature Uhum So it is very important for us to see things as they are there are some ideas that elevate people and there are some ideas that bring people down there are very few ideas that These ideas that bring people down are inert, they are the ideas that take away personal responsibility and the best idea to take away social responsibility is you don't need to worry Because there is an abstract entity that will take care of this matter, this is actually a strong disincentive to the

development of virtue I understand what you are saying, which is the basis of philosophy, values, virtues and wisdom, exactly Why am I going to be Generous if there is a state body that has to take care of poor so-and-so in the Periphery, but I think that doesn't stop me be Generous and fight so that the body there that uses my taxes can help people have better access to knowledge so that they can develop better doubt individually doubt Without a doubt, this is the conclusion of an extremely intelligent person because I don't I take away my

responsibility when the person says like this oh you're going to give it and at the sign you give money I said there are some people who touch me I say I want to give it no but if you do this the state, I don't know, people still pay a lot of taxes so the State does it Without that, it doesn't stop me from doing it, yes, that is, that is, That is a conclusion from a person who has vast experience, who has knowledge of the human soul to a certain extent, who has very great self-knowledge

and who has an intelligence well above the average, this conclusion that you reached in an instant is not the conclusion of the mass I understood the conclusion of the Mass is drastically different This is not a cognitive parallax bias which is basically we sometimes cannot see which vi we are in because you are a extremely Above Average person you have fame you are known You have a successful career you have an excellent knowledge of human psyche an excellent knowledge of human physiology this is a portrait of the average Brazilian no so the conclusion you reach

in an instant a fraction at the moment I'm probably not saying absolutely But it 's probably not the conclusion that the average Brazilian will reach, but do you agree that we move so that the states, through our taxes, can develop possibilities so that people can have access to knowledge to have the power because empowerment only comes through knowledge I don't know any other form of empowerment And then that person is able to have the knowledge to go up and also to reciprocate doing their part without a doubt I think this is a natural ladder like

as Christians we have that helping others, especially we are in a privileged position with resources, but the question is how we help others and what is the means The most effective way is to send it to the country's capital and from there a bureaucrat who doesn't know what my city is like, what the reality of the person next to me is like, my money will leave me and go to the person next to me. but it passes through the country's capital and then goes down in a protocol that will go through the city hall that

will go through the state government and then that goes through a lot of pedagogy and a fraction of the money that was imposed on that person arrives to a person who you don't know that person, a person who is distant from that person and because of an impersonal entity I understood perfectly This is what happens today, either I give Ana an incentive with a tax bill and say, oh, or you pay me the amount your Tax or if you do a social action For your brother next to you you don't need to pay that would

be smart and it would be much better, you understand why because I think it's beautiful, for example, people go back to their universities and donate to something because that added value to you why not you be a factor of sum and add to out Why does this happen because in a full democracy like the United States it was no longer because democracy is crumbling there too but they have much stronger institutions much longer than that our philanthropy has a direct Income Tax reduction, a tradition was created so when a person becomes very rich or a

billionaire, if the person asks if they have tradition, if they are connected in the family, the first thing they will think about is city ​​where she came from the people who are there in the uncle who stayed there in the city the person who is poor I don't know what the person goes back to her city because she knows that every dollar she spends there is the income tax hit So she has the financial stimulus to carry out philanthropy, it doesn't go through the hands of the state, 100% of what she donates goes to the

person she defined who will receive it, I understand and there is no bureaucrat in the middle Of the way paying the toll But I still believe that, all right in the In the United States, we have this issue of, and it's a tradition, it's a habit, but I still believe that people can make this choice through self-sacrifice, but I agree, I think we have to do it, just what I 'm The question here is not whether we have to be Generous or not, we have to be Generous, there is no debate about this, the question

is how to be Generous, am I going to be Generous through an unknown impersonal bureaucrat of an organization or do I want encourage Ana Generosa with the people she chooses or I don't know, I don't know, support the college education of a child who I see is a child who has the potential, has the pleasure, yes, and makes this journey easier because then your tax money will be used in the way that you know is most efficient based on your life path, yes because you will arrive and you will say like this, I'm going to

set up a school, I'm going to teach Philosophy for free to all the children there, I'm going to teach, I'm going to take a pre-university course, I will pay for their lunch and I will pay for their dinner and all the children who have 90% attendance can participate in this school for free, whoever organizes it, the director, the rector, who I put there, if he doesn't please me, I I fire and remove and place another perfect one, this institution that is doing social good agrees with me, it is based on the intelligence of the individual

who prospered, who manages that capital, society, it is the individual who prospered, who is the best person for leasing resources in society the rich you can say that the rich are anything but stupid, yes from the end result you can't say that the rich are stupid there is no way because at the moment this is very clear the state tries to tax The Billionaire first thing that happens all the billionaire fortunes come out of the country, they leave because they know how to get their money out of taxation, in other words, people try to impose

a narrative of benevolence and generosity, we have to trash the billionaires and everyone has to trash the billionaires, the problem is how we do it That's because it's not possible, it's like trying to catch a pig in the mud, it's almost impossible, oh, but there's a Billionaire who has a sense of nationalism, he's going to stay there, he's going to share it, that's the exception. of the exception of the exception exce exception It's good that these billionaires exist but it's an exact exception but I would prefer that he descends his fortune through an entity that

he manages because I know the level of competence he has due to the social proof that he already Uhum, him being a billionaire is proof that he is a good resource manager He could be anything else person Ah, but a billionaire is a criminal he is a good resource manager if he is a good resource manager Then put the resource incentivized for him do social good I understand what you said but let's go back to relationships relationship also yes it is very macro And then you created created a method a method what method is this

Lucas this method is based on timeless principles uhum biblical principles principles are sacred to you sustain a relationship then you do a reverse engineering so you can say if these principles are what sustains the relationship What are these principles truth respect and dialogue truth respect resp are three is one one a trade Is a Triad truth is authenticity with yourself yourself and the truth of the other uhum whoever the other is, be it a spouse, be a friend, be a father or be a child, respect is the ability to accept your truth and accept the

other's truth from the other Only stacked they pile up they are Intertwined dialogue is the ability of respecting the truth of the other and your truth and accepting this truth only here can you exchange the truth mutually because dialogue from the Greek vende de of Logos which means two that cross each other uhum hum of Logos so two that cross each other is only possible with authenticity and with respect within So in this context you will have to relate, so it is the sum of truth, respect and dialogue, so now we have another principle that

has an implicit relativity in it, why Because it is a principle that has great importance in the beginning and It will have a reduced importance in a longer relationship, which is affective reciprocity, uhum, affective speed, it's as if it were a sensitivity of the affective exchange within that relationship that has truth, respect for dialogue, yes, it's at the beginning of the relationship, the scale of Affective reciprocity is extremely sensitive for example, the person went there and followed the other person on Instagram and liked a photo and I tell my students what do you do, what

do I do, Lucas, what do I do? The guy came here on my profile and asked to continue, he said to give a like, you can do it up to the maximum he did because more than that reciprocal because it's reciprocal n so you can like you can follow him back is make a comment if he does it's already started to unbalance o it's already started to say that if he does it because the energy if you you don't want to incur a process of polarity inversion of the anima and the animas do what you

need to do, leave the masculine, the masculine energy as penetrating, it has to take initiative so if he didn't comment, don't comment. In the beginning, it's very sensitive, it's this level of you does it on top of what the other does does it on top of what the other does the perception because the other is is turned the energy first the masculine has to generate energy he enters the territory I understand he entered feminine reciprocal Ahem I understand he gives it back Okay he does the reflex process because otherwise you will have an inversion of

polarity the man will Become feminine the woman will become masculine and she will start running after him he will actually start the one who commands the process is the feminine uhum because it is the feminine that attracts when the woman becomes masculine she loses total control of the relationship so when the woman comes to me and says like this oh I only get things wrong with men it doesn't work it's because it's masculine diagnosis is always the same it's dominated by the animus uhum because the animus this drive uncontrollable masculine she talks like this I

need it Since no one gives me security I'm going to take the security of the world the animus is a Spartan army built to generate security for women if the woman is not strong enough to use her femininity to attract security the animus says, you are incompetent, let me take care of it. It takes over consciousness, it becomes unconscious, reactive and matures, thinking it is conscious because if you speak to a person who is unconscious reactivates the behavior she is having, she simply reflects and rebuts you, you need to be challenging to generate a paradox,

which is what always happens where you suggest that Perhaps what is happening is because of this, this, that, and then what happens is as if you put a piece of hardware in the gear the machine stops Because you took a picture of reality what's happening to you is this this this this this how do you know this so it's probably because you have polarity inverted is almost the yin the you is the y ah h this need for this dance of drive and reception Without a doubt the principle of duality of complementarity, right with correspondence

always everywhere you will have duality, right Jung called it enantiodromia enantiodromia is the ability that a psychic energy has to transform into its opposite, so the masculine becomes feminine and the feminine becomes masculine very easily uhum so at the moment when the self-conscious woman or man is stirred or concluded in a subjective way that is weak the Ânima comes to the Rescue or animos comes to the Rescue automatically has an inversion of polarity a fall into a state of unconsciousness or one that calls it mental demotion where you fall to a bestial level of behavior

and you simply Follow the herd yes to you have Freud's mob mentality, Freud hit a lot of points in the vein like this, we try to criticize Freud, there are a lot of people trying to criticize Freud, they talk like this, man, you can't criticize him because he's right, many things in many things, there are many something he got wrong but there are a lot of things he got right as well as the whole of the work is more like that mainly because Jung corrected it later so if you read Jung with Freud you will

get the epitome of what is in psychoanalysis, right, I don't like it. a lot of other schools, I respect there are many other schools, I wish, which are also quite interesting to complement Freud's point of view, but I think Jung is the epitome when you understand Yung. You understand the human psyche. So when it it reverses the polarity, this results in many behaviors that will have this very clear diagnosis of this exaggerated masculinity, there is weakness in your femininity, you need to do a routine for you to reactivate your femininity Uh, then you go back

to the classical philosophy, how do I activate the femininity you will do A Sacred routine and you will do a self-care routine you will learn to disarm yourself because you are armed for battle you look like a Spartan you are a Conan And you want to cut off everyone's head in your life, don't you? It's more or less what happened to you with a friend, in my case, I hurt you, inverted, inverted, I was trapped in the anima Naima, exactly, it was PR a war, it was PR, a war where I adopted the anima, the

purpose of the anima, like, you 'll never go again being rejected ex I will be rejected in life I almost scar you Rara I will never go hungry again your spirits enslaved me for 20 years exactly exactly understand so I know the pain that is and the end is always a sacrifice either you die in agony or you die surrender to God or you have to free yourself then you have to free yourself in some way you have to let go of this story that you are telling yourself when you understand this process of polarity

inversion things become very obvious, right? How do you What do you do to avoid inverting the polarity? What are the routines and attitudes and Virtues that you have to have in order not to invert the polarity? You begin to see that these Patterns that are being drafted then solidify, they become very healthy uhum, that's close to very translucent way with classical masculinity and classical femininity that people think is a social convention it's not a social convention it's a it's something a kind of social behavior attitude that over the ages with a lot of testing a

lot of people didn't follow these behaviors of classical masculinity and classical femininity was one of the options among all the thousands that all human beings throughout the ages chose This was the winner among all the hypotheses Classic femininity classical masculinity that we call Today is the one that won the thesis of time uhum all the other types of masculinity and femininity died they didn't leave heirs Uhum So when we are when we understand this and this is a principle that I think is quite powerful which is ancestry there is no way we understanding the present

moment without us understanding the sum of social and individual decisions that arrived at the present moment, this is ancestry, so there is a previous pattern of masculinity Which is an archetypal pattern of success and there is a previous pattern of successful femininity which is a successful feminine archetype Jung gave names for it Uhum he said that there is an archetype of Eve there is an archetype of Helena there is an archetype of Mary and there is an archetype of Sofia these are increasingly deeper soul stages where man dominates his Anima the first stage is Eva

is the sexualized reactive impulsive man who only thinks about sex obsessive about sex Helena is that man who is no longer just about sex but about fun They are games are the moments of pleasure to take a break from that business of the war of male life Maria is that man who has already awakened to the impulse of I will leave heirs I will have children of transcending who is the Sacred woman who will be by my side because these others Here were hobbies these women they do not have the equivalent value to me uhum

Who is the woman who will be by my side with my partner Maria Sofia is the highest level which is what I call the Patriarch's man is the man who can learn from the women in his life I understand he can Looking at the women in his life he can see a wisdom that is difficult for him to access, not that it is impossible but that it is difficult to access. So this is something that is interesting to me, right, because the feminine energy that predominates in men is very interesting. for you to be a

strong man you have to overcome femininity you have to embody femininity exactly reach Sofia reach Sofia the highest top so in reality aaa energy eh anima she is feminine she is totally feminine she is I call her cosmic female cosmic female who is the size of the Cosmos is infinite So you can integrate the Anima as far as you reach the depth you reach you will never be able to fully dominate the anima but the patriarch this man who reaches a level of sophistication in his masculinity that he can the depths of the Anima he

manages to extract Pearl from the shadow uhum that's when you get there in the middle of let's say emotional chaos that's happening in your day to day like you're Sometimes your son is screaming he's having trouble paying the bills I don't know what there and your wife In the middle of dinner lets out a Perla and you say like this man I think this is the answer to my problems This is a photograph a film of what a Patriarch is I understand he can extract something from a very unusual place because he can look at

the women in his life with true admiration and see them as different beings from him because he knows how difficult it is to be a woman, I understand, it's very crazy, so in reality, men are more energetically settled, you know, they're more mature . which doesn't have to do with age, it has to do with the Anima, the domain of the Anima, with this domain of the Anima, they never commit feminicide, it never doesn't exist, it wouldn't exist, it doesn't exist, because when a man dives into his Anima, he begins to understand feminine energy in

great depth and he creates a reverence for her, I understand a respect, a great respect and he sees that it is totally connected to his power of masculinity, he says, wow, for me to dominate more femininity, I have to be more of a man, I I have to be more of a man so he has to become more of a man to dominate climbing this scale to get deeper into the Anima This is Jung's enantiodromia where I need to strengthen my masculine virtues so I can enter the shadows of the Anima otherwise it will devour

me uhum a Jung's Fatal female, he said it very clearly, he said, if you go too deep, you're not ready. Psychopathological degeneration starts with a neurosis and gets worse from there to infinity, so the process is to develop virtue and dive in the shadow, develop virtue and immerse this man in the shadow to reach this depth of reaching, for example, Sofia wisdom, the holder of wisdom is Sofia sab, the man only becomes wise when he reaches perfect Sofia Sofia, but first he needs to go through EVA who it is a guardian which is Sexuality this

is the first it is the one that brings everything the first one is that it opens opens the man's first challenge is to master Sexuality uhum most women don't know what the level of challenge is that it is an obsession the men are born with an obsession it's like a ghost that every 13 year old boy knows it's an obsession and he has to exorcise it. This obsession and many don't know it because they don't have strong male role models at home or they are encouraged . I see that they are arrested, I'm going to

take him to the brothel there, if what was done there, reinforce this, reinforce it, so he stays there thinking that that's the place, believe me, that's how deep you go, you've entered puberty, you're getting the little gifts there, right? we are talking about the first door to EVA's Ânima after you pass you have Helena so we are going through a phase where this society is more liberal, right? With certain major limits on behavior and everything else Where there is a compensatory movement happening behind it as well, which is what men are they in the crowd

I'm talking about discovering Helena Uhum now Now the crowd is discovering Helena now so it seems like there's a general degeneration but in reality the crowd is maturing I understand it came out of EVA heading towards Elena because it became so easy for man getting sexual satisfaction today porn relationship app everything the challenge of society is you are no longer the challenge to have sex like it was 100 Years ago This means that Eve is not a problem but it took away the power of EVA and they are having less sex less a lot less

I'm going to give you infinite sex so I don't want it I don't want it Exactly there's nothing left for Then we see the man getting lost in Helena's challenges Uhum what is this excessive feminization dramatization romance romanticization of situations that get lost daydreams of impossible dreams these 40 year old boys boys who never evolve in life don't leave home that's Helena's trap Without a doubt and we have the masses here today the masses of the world have already left EVA they have already left EVA we have already taken a step back from the beginnings

of evolving Arriving there in Maria, some are arriving, they are those who understand what marital sacrifice is, what the sacrifice of building a family is, whether that family is a biological family, an inherited family or an adopted family uhum it doesn't matter, it's the family family is the family that which you adopt in your heart to care for unconditionally yes so there are people who talk like that Ah Lucas But you talk so much about the Power of family I don't know what but I can't son who can you adopt what organization can you adopt

which vulnerable human beings you can adopt adopt someone who needs you and your talents who counts on you who counts On you Uhum And who needs you, you create responsible bonds, right, perfect So we have Maria, that would be a challenge for our society It's far from that, it's still a long way off, it's a long way off, but we have a process when we understand the psychology of the unconscious, and that there is the collective unconscious, that there is a mass maturation process taking place, and we deviate too much, the pendulum goes too far.

one side of the radical then goes a lot to the other side of the radical but in the middle she is taking the next step of things that didn't happen before in the past, right? This happens exactly the same with women, yes, but Jung brought something that is very interesting. He also said that there is a particularity of the male and female collective unconscious, the collective male unconscious tends towards singularity. In other words, it is possible for you to create an ideal affective complex and give it the name EVA because clearly this is an ideal

sexual affective complex where you seek self-satisfaction Helena like Sofia Maria like Sofia like in women is an infinite puzzle of male models, so the collective unconscious of women Is moved by principles not by a heroic symbolic figure like Eva Helena Maria and Sofia understand, in other words, the first level of women's unconsciousness is material security, you can't even give it a name because it's a cut and paste collage of all the models of material security that this woman found and that she inherited from her ancestors uhum a we can see this very clearly, for example,

teenage girls, maybe a previous generation, right, younger people don't know about the magazine Capricho Capricho uhum, you know that Teenage Girl magazine and everything else, they caught Brad Pit's eye, Tom Cruise's mouth, they were putting it together perfect shape, it looked horrible, by the way, it looked like a weird alien being, exactly, but that's a common reactive behavior of this female collective unconscious, I understand, I understand what she's trying to do, trying to convey a certain image Projection of the prince, which in theory is an image, an imago it's masculine that generates great security because

the prince is this unbeatable guy and she will take the most princely characteristics of each of the male models that she likes so on the First level material security this bizarre unconscious cut and paste the second level affective security for all models of male emotional security that this woman experienced and those that she inherited uhum infinite third level intellectual security all the ideological models of intellectual security that this woman experienced or not or inherited from her ancestors and spiritual security same thing all the affective ideological models of spiritual security that this woman experienced or not

and that of all her ancestors. In other words, the complexity of moods is very infinite. So you have to be guided by principles, since the energy of moods is an energy of war, which is why no man can win a battle an argument with a woman because the man's conflict debate energy is infinite not that of the man he has a reservoir he has to be efficient he he already thinks I have to take a hit here here here here and get out my own way how man behaves in the world is to be efficient

in combat he cannot make this combat last forever uhum the woman when she enters combat She enters into eternal combat, that is, if I talk to my male students, she does not go to war with her There will be no end to the woman and there will be no end to her and you will lose uhum even if it is due to exhaustion You may be right you will lose but then what is the logic Logic is affective forget about finding rational logic because men would be I prefer not being right to love is because

people have a tendency towards logic, for example , what is the logic of a flower ? the luminosity of the Sun to look for nutrients in the soil to look for water there is a logic there there is no linguistic rational logic men have an attachment to a linguistic rational logic so they come and say like this my wife is saying something that doesn't make sense It doesn't make sense meaning because you can't explain it but it makes sense in a logical sense in an affective ethos Without a doubt why Because when you're there she's

treating you this way because you're creating insecurity for her all the behaviors that generate reactivity in women are because the man Squeezed a trigger of insecurity , even if he can't understand or identify it . are awakened without a woman, but the point is, the woman has the ability to push the button, but the execution is male. It's as if you have the power to pass your magic wand and give the power to a man, but you're giving this power to a man uhum you have to know who you're giving power to also why did

you name it after the Pandora method , back when we created the company we were looking for a symbology closer to what we I realized what happened to people and Pandora, the mythology of Pandora, which was the box, people know it as the box of destruction, right, Pandora's box is the box that contained all the evils of the world only has hope that is at the end, hope is also there at the end and is one of the highest theological virtues contemplative in truth according to Saint Masquin, not because for You to find hope You

will need to destroy everything that is in the way then Pandora 's Box Our interpretation is a destruction of the egoic process for you to find this individual and in the end find this hope to reach the higher states perfect perfect This is the mythology in our understanding perfect very cool perfect let's get to the questions let's go this moment now hey, we have a very good community of sustainable human beings. They are people who like knowledge and there are around 1000, 1000 or so people, right? Pou and what we do, we present your profile

to them 15 days before the When you come here, they don't start following you, we ask them, it's an agreement between us that they just cam and they will stay there stalking when it comes to air, then they start following you And then they generate questions within the content that they They saw it within your network, so all that is here are things that you at some point said or are there within your network, they interpreted it, they interpreted it, right? It could be that, I didn't say that exactly, so Let's go to you first,

what is the importance of trust in a relationship and how it can be rebuilt after a breakdown I feel a hint of betrayal there but come on, without a doubt, trust is extremely important, it is the result of the Truth of respect for dialogue and emotional reciprocity, it only lasts over time that when it is destroyed it is like I like the metaphor of the Goblet if you break a goblet of wine it is extremely difficult for you to put it back it can be done but it is an ant's work it never stays the

same so this metaphor of you breaking it the chalice is very similar to the truth of trust, but there is a way for you to regenerate that chalice in an essential way and return. There is when the spouse who has lost trust surrenders it to God and asks for this truth to be revealed and carries out a devotional process. for the truth and the spouse who broke trust needs to undergo a process of surrender, this process of surrender, if it is true, will go through a process of agony, breakdown and surrender of the Ego And

then the person who went through This process is no longer the same person who committed the breach of trust in this case and only in this case is when trust can be reestablished because the person after the process is not the same as the person who committed the act, but understand that the spouse has no control over it, so the The only thing a person can do if they have lost trust in the other person is to pray, give it to God and trust in God, and if the other person changes, observe whether there has

been a real change and not an imagined or projected one, and this change actually happens when the change of attitudes she is unconditional she the person doesn't change her attitudes towards her spouse she changes her attitudes with her pad she changes her attitudes in traffic she changes her attitudes at work it's not just with a reconstruction with everything for another person another person In fact, it's a better version, I was going to say exactly that, you read it, it's cool, she's more than she wasn't yet, but she's more, she understands, when I went through this

experience I became more Lucas, I understand, it's difficult to explain. but I became it's not even Lucas because Lucas is a is a a linguistic symbol attributed to being I became more me me than I Was before I was less me perfect uhum perfect that's because I see many betrayed women think they are responsible Because changing someone else is not impossible, they need to want to change their ex, you are a question I ask people who Mud fail but he said he changed Do you believe in words or attitudes behavior We are our behavior not

our speech I say this this It's a meme that I have, it's not a change with me, it's with everyone, it's with the children, it's with life, it's at work, it's the way of living, reviewing life, can you change your attitudes, the person talking, it's not difficult, it's difficult so how are you going to change the other if it's difficult to change you how are you going to change the other ex exactly perfect next Bru Lucas I'm I am experiencing a crisis in my relationship and I notice a lack of desire. In both of us,

although we love each other very much, I am considering separation. Couples therapy can help us without a doubt with a therapist who, in my view, is fearful of God. He has an autistic mastery of the unconscious. individual and collective So you have to have mastery of psychoanalysis, especially analytical psychology and philosophy, Preferably because one thing is you, you treat pathologies, another thing is you put the other thing in place, the new standard, so preferably a person who has it's versatility with Philosophy too and that person has to be God fearing because the process when people

start to notice lack of desire this means that people are lacking connection lack of connection comes because of lack of intimacy sometimes lack of intimacy with me because of lack of trust so the restoration process is to spend more time together learning to look each other in the eye again Eh Wanting to please your spouse With little things or serving, you know, serving, I think that's so beautiful, I don't think so at all that serving is something Submissive, for example, I take great pleasure in serving people, so I do this with my house staff, almost

every day I prepare perfect coffee for them and it is very pleasurable. My employee at the beginning said, you're reversing things, I'm the person who has to prepare your coffee, I said no, don't you feel, I'm preparing coffee For you, it's very funny that she stays today, she says, you're very good. It's very good and it's good for me too, you understand? It's very good. Those who serve benefit more than those who are served. It also has nothing to do with submission. It's the pleasure when you discover the pleasure of serving others actively, whoever the

other person is. we can feel a glimpse of the Joy of God when he creates and when we serve others we can see ourselves as an intermediary agent of generating joy through the satisfaction of a small desire, this makes our hearts very happy Those who haven't discovered this pleasure are close Bru I Lucas could talk a little about positive psychology and how it can help us in the process of self-knowledge positive psychology is a new discipline, right, it was even anchored by the Harvard school That's right, mainly it It's quite revolutionary because it goes against

the academic trend of treating pathology only and only talking about states, low performance, sub performance, positive psychology comes as a psychology of performance, maybe it's about the affective performance of the Intellectual performance, so I think very good for those who have transcended their traumas for those who have transcended their disaffections positive psychology is the next natural step to do in my view this has existed for a long time since the human being as a mentoring process is because in ancient Greece When you entered Plato's academy, you were actually asking Plato to accept you as a

disciple and mentor. So this process of positive psychology has been known to the great Masters of philosophy since forever because you will model that person who inspires you those thoughts that are very clear and very bright and you will bring this to a practice with the supervision of that mentor, this even happened in the past, mainly with men to transfer reputation because men never had and never had value for being a man, men have no value because he is a man, man needs to become a man when he is born he has no value that

is exactly why man is recruited to go to war to Die to be cannon fodder because he has no value until he proves himself If he dies Fighting he dies With honor uhum but if he comes back he didn't shoot he doesn't have that much respect because he didn't go to combat that's very clear it always has been and continues to be a man needs to become a man to have value for a different society of women, women are born with intrinsic value for being women, that being said, many of the philosophy study academies, when

you enlist and you were accepted by a great professor, it was a great honor because you could speak disciple of Plato So and so disciple of Plato Uhum I started I was nobody today Plato accepted me today I am a disciple of Plato it is an honor I begin to think I begin to exist as a citizen and human being in the world and everything through knowledge there is no other empowerment of the con And then Plato's reputation precedes him, well, the men who are trained by Plato are different men, let's respect this guy because

he's going to be powerful one day ex, so they started treating the 16-year-old boy there with reverence because he was a student from Plato which was mentoring mentoring we don't invent anything we just go and get the knowledge from the source we just have to look for it because everything was already There n ex what did Jesus do with the 12 disciples mentoring mentoring Exactly exactly sat in a circle in a circle the nl explains there the formations of circular power is one of the most powerful because you keep your attention on the focal center

in a circle or in a circle and he taught exactly to transmute the minds of those disciples and most of them a great philosopher a great being pris see them die resurrect and there are people who didn't believe yet ex exactly close Bru how do you approach issues of intimacy and sexuality in relationships and what strategies do you recommend to keep the flame alive In long term relationships I think that Sexuality is an effect it is not The cause is and the cause and effect of sexuality comes from affection, right, affection , care, providing service,

being there, available, quality time, so sexuality is a natural development of intimacy, so when we say, oh, a couple has a sex problem, we have I want to go back a little earlier, that's why I don't say anything about sexuality, sexuality is an effect, I'm going to treat the effect, I don't want to treat the symptom, I understand, I understand, I want To treat the cause, it's an error in intimacy, it's an error in intimacy, the person who isn't having it sexuality, the effect is not happening because you are not making chocolate cake recipe cake

you are making something else you want chocolate cake in the end but you are making chicken pie so if you make chicken pie recipe Don't complain that there isn't a chocolate cake at the end because it won't, you know, the chicken pie won't produce a chocolate cake. There's no such thing as alchemy. chicken will give chicken pie in the end, even if you built something worse are the people who want to make a chocolate cake recipe and exchange flour for sand, they won't exchange eggs for stone EA say that but I'm doing everything right Lucas,

not you, if not it's giving a desired effect you're not doing everything right the recipe is wrong the person arrives with Lucas' belief I'm doing everything right and everything is going wrong you say it like that you no longer understand your own sentence Exactly exactly no no Exactly because She's In a self-reinforcing bubble of retro feedback from you're right, you're right, you're right, these masculinist feminist empowerment narratives, I don't think they help at all, they create more confusion because men are always right, women are always right, men are the the best women are the best

this creates more confusion and even more people are lost because if women go beyond talking like that, oh women are always right, everything is the men's fault, you have closed a range of discoveries of alternatives that are absurd if men arrive, not men are always right, women are always wrong, you have closed a range of opportunities for discovering Wisdom and this is what we see as a Topic Trend in our society and that everyone loses, right, everyone loses that society is a cooperation between the healthy masculine and feminine all institutions masculine energy and feminine energy

complement and complement each other are perfectly complementary exactly next Bru How culture and personal values ​​influence the dynamics of a relationship and how to deal with significant differences of opinion Or values ​​within it are two two different paradigms, one thing is opinion, another thing is divergence of value, when you say difference of opinion, man, opinion, you respect exactly full stop beauty I like horror films Oh I like comedy films okay it doesn't change anything when you say difference divergence of values ​​then we have much more serious problems because what is value value are the rules

of the game this is how I make decisions if you are a person who is a theist, you believe in God, you are a Christian And you are going to marry a person who is a convinced atheist, a convinced atheist, this will probably cause problems and one thing that I say and that many people try debating many people say they are atheists but I say this is how you treat other people with kindness I don't treat you treat other people have you done generosity to other people without expecting anything in return I have done it

many times well so I'm sorry to warn you but you don't you are an atheist you are an agnostic which is very different it is very different Exactly because if we are to analyze Technically The atheist has to understand psychopathy yes because he has no brakes Absolute morals there is no system if there is no God my love I can do anything if God is dead if God is dead according to nit why don't I cross this table and take what's in your wallet now if I 'm in need of money why don't I get

sexual satisfaction when I find an object of my desire because it would be individualism in its essence , right ? and when you are imprecise in your word you are confused in your thinking and in your actions if you are confused in your thinking your action is also confusing and chaotic if you call one thing another you are deliberately generating confusion or unconsciously generating confusion What is a atheist an atheist is a person who has no moral restraints because he does not believe in absolute values ​​what is an agnostic is a person who believes in

absolute values ​​but does not have a religious or religious doctrinal belief behind it but he believes he even has Values morals like the golden law of the Gospel of Luke I treat others as I want to be treated perfect This is the agnostic This person is very civilized and can get along very well without any problems he has no ego of value what do we have to what is the primary value , secondary value, tertiary value, quaternary value , what is the level of divergence in value that we will have? Having a child I don't

want is no longer an essential value, but it is a divergent value that generates a state of non-conciliation, it starts wrong, right, it starts wrong, so what do I do, oh, I'm going to marry him later, I convince him. of having a child or getting pregnant without him knowing, man, you're going to give it, it's going to be bullshit, tru, it's going to be bad, as you say, so divergences in value are non-negotiable misalignments, value you don't negotiate because value is something that is intrinsic to the person, it has to do with history her in

psychoanalysis it's super difficult for you to change values ​​so it takes a long time and many years it's not a conversation Val you don't have the power to change the Value in others she has to become aware and change because she wants to and it's super difficult when I stopped idolizing fame and I began to idolize the truth of God that was a change in value but I needed to enter the cesspool of the Agony of hell uhum because otherwise I wouldn't change there was nothing that would argue that they would use me to make

me abandon The Ego's Quest for Fame was your discomfort, you were existential agony exactly then. From my experience and from many people I have seen go through this process of epiphany, also if the person does not reach the level of pain of Suffering equivalent to the desire they deposited in that object it doesn't break the perfect value I always say this thing is the opposites you attract you attract to an event eh I say like that for a quick sex and then ok superficial bye superal because the behavior for some moment but for behavior That's

true For example, it is very common to have a couple where one is extroverted, the other is introverted, but there is no change in values. There is no change in values. totality Opposites is cool the values ​​are the same exactly or very similar or At least similar similar close Bru Lucas has noticed a distance from my husband due to the time he spends on his cell phone you are the Flamengo people it is everyone this has affected us and I feel lack of quality time and conversations How can we improve our communication, the relationship is

always strengthened, truth, respect and dialogue, when am I going to establish the bridge of dialogue at the best possible moment within the routine that the couple has established today, then at the best moment It's possible that she feels that her husband is there or is available, she will arrive, she will speak lovingly, using feminine communication, which is the most persuasive of all, it's an inviting communication, when she talks about her, she doesn't talk about him, feminine communication is a tool that I teach a lot when a woman or man can use it too, for example

diplomats use female communication which is extremely persuasive, she will talk about the feelings she is having, she will suggest an improvement for both of them and she won't blame him, not her puts the responsibility on the couple and she plants a Seed and says, if you feel this way too, I'm open to making this change when we understand female communication we can do it and apply it in practice and see that it gives results we can understand proverbs better 31 where he talks about a woman rarer than a jewel than Ruby, when he says that

the ideal posture of the Woman of Faith, fear of God, she constrains her husband's righteousness, so when she uses feminine communication with integrity, with serenity, which is one of the things that men the most they like the most they want in marriage you ask the men of the Flamengo fans what you want from your marriage almost unanimously the same thing P depends you have to have a minimum of maturity Because the people who are na na na Eva I'll still tell you There's a Guys, at Eva, I'm saying that they deserve it, he wants more

sex and more sex and you say that you don't even see the possibility of having a Helena in the future, but if there is a man, it's certainly Peace. I'm not even saying that they deserve this peace, no, no. but I think you're right, but it's an intrinsic, instinctive instinct of a man, when you ask him what he wants in a marriage relationship, he Says peace, I want peace in my marriage, then the woman already says, you have to deserve your peace, but you you're saying that, I remember when I was attending, I always put

myself in this thing with patients of saying, like, your point of view, I already went through it in this stage, stage, stage, I wasn't feeling well, you think like that, I brought it to myself. very good chewed it which is a feminine wood Without a doubt about touching the other, be it a woman or a man, but this thing of Look, I went through this in a situation and it brought me so many bad things, is this happening to you or not? There were people saying it, I didn't say it. Ah, so it was a

moment when having this one that I say again is not submission, it is being able to let your guard down to open the dialogue, empathy, no, it's like, I prefer not to be right, but to touch the other, yes, ok, if it were me in the my marriage What would I do, I would go to my wife and say like this, love, what are you doing, what are you seeing so cool on Instagram, I can see them with you or send me the things you are seeing too, I would go First, insert it into the

rtina's context for me What for? For me to become an authority on the subject, first I enter into the subject so that I can be seen as a co-participant, an ally, first with a participant, then as an ally, and then I will interact, you put down your weapons, you don't start a war when I become an ally I agreed it became a natural and familiar thing it disarms the subject for her uhum as I interact within that subject and I feel that she is feeling doing that routine I start with the property of experiencing that

that routine also starts to talk man I wonder if we're not spending too much time on Instagram we're talking more on Instagram than live, perfect like yesterday we had dinner together and I tell people man my husband sits at the table on Instagram like he goes on Instagram and sends him meme and talks to him on Instagram if he's on Instagram talk to him on Instagram but that's absurd don't do that until you co-opt you have to enter the world the person's exact world and invite the person to go out, then after I've done this

I'm going to come and talk like this, love, yesterday we spent the whole dinner talking via Instagram Direct. Aren't we exaggerating ? I saw a bit of this, right? I forget we're becoming a bit of an Instagram couple, I don't know, but there's one thing we're becoming memes, exactly the memes we share we're becoming them Exactly, it's very difficult for a person with common sense or good values ​​or a similar nature Don't say it like that, Wow, it's true, right? But what about laughing about it, right ? to break this war movement between people a

lot And and bring it to affectivity I think humor humor is therapeutic it's therapeutic it's laughing together it's very good people don't laugh at the pathetic ones for sure Never trust a person who doesn't know how to laugh at themselves I I don't trust this is a truth that I have this is a truth this is an absolute truth that I have that was until a cut last week that they made I don't trust anyone who doesn't laugh at themselves because you think you're so important that you can't deconstruct this character that you built there

pathetic pathetic exactly ridiculous you have to be able to talk about These points of fragility because exactly these points that connect in the human soul Exactly because we are fragile because if you create a wonderful character I don't know that the person talks like that Wow Lucas does this I'm not a mortal haris I'll never be able to do it it's fake it's fake it's not everything it's human we make mistakes it's all fake all of us next Bru What do you think about the impact of social networks on modern relationships I think aa social

networks maybe the answer is a bit counterintuitive I don't think they are negative I think they are accelerators so they can accelerate the bad and the good is what used to be you for you to do something stupid in your life you needed to go out for a going out at night was much more difficult, you had many more obstacles You mess up in a WhatsApp group, you mess up on an Instagram channel, on a video call, whatever But I also have the potential for good It's definitely been a long time. It's been a decade

since this happened to me that I use social media to study. I only follow people who generate content. I only follow people who add something. I'm subscribed to YouTube channels that add valuable content and do things that are counterintuitive. also because when a person salutes the status quo a lot, I say like this here, something is gaining behind it, you know, because the truth is not convenient, the truth is always inconvenient in some way, right, in some way it is uncomfortable, so if the person salutes a lot of salute to the status quo I no

longer want it, it's not good enough to be my friend, I understand, be suspicious, be suspicious, next Bru, what is the role of spirituality in the personal journey of growth and how it positively influences emotional relationships, it is essential, it is a foundation stone on which you will support everything else because the sanity the clarity Of the Logic of spirituality any understanding you have in your partiality that we as humans will never reach the absolute but IMP deeper or less partialities of spirituality it will reflect in a mental luminosity that will reflect in an emotional

stability that will reflect in a coherence and in a physical integrality So this process is a process of cascading the source to Spirituality that reflects in a mental luminosity in a broad mental space because what is intelligence intelligence is mental space intelligence mental space you say the resources that I I have within my Decision Cloud intelligence is How much mental space can I free up uhum to store an idea that has a load I understand very complex ideas need a huge mental space which is what we call genius simple ideas need little mental space simple

people they will have little mental space that's why they do simple things because they only have trivial ideas genius ideas need a lot of mental space mental space of a lot interneuronal connection So and the process is for you to remove all the noise from the space that is being occupied, basically HD uhum so you can put a brilliant idea in that place so Intelligence is mental space, the ability you have to encompass something complex, but that, then, intelligence being space mental, being in a state of intelligence of observation as we said before, this is

reflected as emotional stability which is reflected as health This integrality is inexorable, it has always been this way, it will always be so the whole process it reflects begins in the spiritual Without a doubt that we You have to differentiate it from religiosity, you know, people confuse what I'm talking about. When you say spirituality, no, but I exercise my spirituality, I don't know where. No, I'm not talking exactly about that. Not religiosity is a set of rituals and symbols that facilitate path for some followers, exactly, there are other people who get in the way, so

the Fanatic gets in the way of the process, I call it a legalistic Pharisee, a legal Pharisee, perfect, close to how relationships can impact the mental and emotional health of the individuals involved, totally because life is about relating to exes, there is no as there is no way you can relate to someone and that person doesn't permeate you because some outside of dialogue two that cross three that cross four that cross 50 that cross each other that's why fame is heavy that crosses A lot of people are a lot of people crossing perfect perfect, so

the process is a lot of energy going through you have to have a lot of Mental space because otherwise you imagine that there are hundreds of people crossing you with fame, that's it you have to have a huge, immense mental space for you to withstand the flow of fame, it's perfect It makes total sense that's why many people succumb, it's like a total mental transit, it's like it gets stuck, it gets stuck , it's a spiritual stroke, it's a spiritual stroke. immense and I keep thinking about these great artists who travel every hour in one

place every hour with several different people . and reconnecting with yourself as a practice she gets lost perfect expert she needs to be able to take her home with her exactly the person who can handle fame she can take her home with her sometimes it's with a physical anchor sometimes it's mental sometimes Sometimes it's a routine, exactly a ritual , but it can't be foreign to her or him anywhere in the world, right? That's fundamental And I think that great artists, if they had good businesspeople, would help this center, what I see is the opposite.

the great businessmen still play in the Lion's Den, so I always say every great artist will have to be, eh, master of himself, he has to be and you see a compensatory effect in many artists that is called entourage, entourage is the group of childhood friends that when The person becomes famous, they take it with them, yes, because that's what they trust, what they do, I can trust, no, but so-and-so is addicted to drugs, does it wrong, it doesn't matter, he grew up with me there in the neighborhood when I didn't. There was nothing about

this guy, I'm dying for him exactly, so he's with me here, he's the millionaire guy, he's playing football, I don't know, at the French club and in his house he has 15 friends who live with him because he can bring people with these personal anchors that devoting yourself to doing this or serving also has its advantages, also doing this and disadvantages they are generating a feeling of home but these anchors are not necessary, no I think these anchors are for those who haven't yet discovered this. OK Home is inside It's good but many use it

like this good very good very good that's right I liked this one you can't be foreign to you in any way Exactly that and I think many people start to feel that but they don't know where to put it, right? there is that dichotomy of the contrast of the stage light and the Solitude of the backstage of the post stage in the hotel room this contrast of attention is generally not the Solitude it is the solitude solitude the absence Exactly This energetic level this energetic level he feels the melancholy in the oxygen exactly and it's

not for example I keep thinking I'm going to give a talk sometimes to 1000 or 1500 people. When I go out I leave with an energy level here because I received a lot of things, that's what happens, I take about three hours for that and when I get down enough I keep imagining an artist who performs for 100,000 300,000 festival people have to know You sometimes you feel an energetic drain on your body sometimes when I do a big lecture event also sometimes it takes me 24 hours to recover I also can't I can't do

it in a Some days some people say why don't you amend one Another, it's not possible for me, I have to go back to my center For My Essence to be, then there are people I see giving a lecture like this in the state, the other the next day, unfortunately, I 'm not I don't even want to be this person, but I think I have to go back to the center, I'm very focused on the Persona, I think you gain short-term resilience, but you pay a huge price in the long term, exactly which is what

I saw this happening to many people that's what happened to me at the time of the music I had an absurd resilience for the show but then I went into a melancholic phase of weeks not because it seems like you caught a lost your soul exactly And you have to bring that restructuring You have to go back to being me when I'm coming back from an event I want a day off don't disturb me, quiet, understand, preferably, perfect dog next Bru Lucas, I feel that my life is very stagnant without motivation and enthusiasm, this could

be the beginning of some depression, such as changes in behavioral habits and styles of life can help me, the subject of depression is something that I really like, as you are a specialist, I Approach the spiritual paradigm, right? So, apart from the psychic process and the physiological process, I'm not going to go into this subject, there is a spiritual cause for depression. I'm also sure that it's very clear, in fact, absence of meaning, there is no acute or temporary chronic physiological depression without absence of meaning, so at the moment that creates confusion, the person loses

direction, they lose why they're doing what they're doing, they start flirting purpose with with a depression with Abyss so Abyss of the Soul, right, the big question here is you need to find and this pain will increase the less motivation and less enthusiasm and more stagnant but the suffering increases, okay Why Because suffering is caused by expectations mainly frustrated expectation, she is already feeling the contrast with the motivated phase she had and she is not in that phase, the longer she stays in this sentence, the more she will feel this nostalgia with the moment she

was motivated and this suffering will pile up, it will become worse. piling up keeps piling up until a point where this suffering becomes so acute that She needs to act or do something or Die of two and the person says like this I'm going to kill myself I'm going to see a movie uhum, right because there are these paradoxes until, right, person, she's in such an absurd melancholy that she doesn't know if she's going to kill herself or if she's going to eat a bicycle . a new project needs to find a project that has

meaning in your heart to give you a North then the next North will reveal itself don't try to solve the enigmas of life and existence now make a quality survival script because the person many depressed people who I've already advised, I've already assisted her, she wants to solve metaphysical dilemmas that not even philosophers have solved, eg why life is like this why we were born why I I'm feeling this way Why do human beings feel the way they feel, you say man, you 're in no condition, you're swimming in the children's pool, you want to

swim in the sea in the north of the Atlantic, you're not from the Channel, wanting to cross, you're going to drown, let's go back to basics Let's learn To sleep at the right time , wake up at the right time, eat healthily, sunbathe, are you willing to do simple things and suspend these questions for a more opportune moment? the gear again then biochemistry starts to help a little bit it releases more dopamine she starts to feel more pleasure in small things it's really crazy how you can feel pleasure in making the bed making your bed

a task accomplished a task accomplished exactly you do ISO hygiene Guys, it's very simple to take care of yourself, be your own man, right next time Bru, we've arrived at a very special moment, a very good joke, okay, this is pipinho, our mascot, Ana's son, he only listens to good content, prohibited from watching television, prohibited, polite, he likes it So, so much so that he listens more, speaks less, but while we're here he's picking up important words to play for his mother to play like ping-pong for you, cool, so she's going to pick up these

words, she's going to play them and whatever comes to mind you will answer back and if you don't want to or pass him he is polite He is polite I told him that we have to have respect even for other people's white people exactly very good ok let's go my dear Love love is accepting what is without waiting for it to change, doing your best is a state of mind is a state two spirituality spirituality is an ability for you to access the sacred within you that does not necessarily have to do with religiosity Dogma

or doctrine three if you could choose a super power what would it be and because if it were given to always be in connection with God and in its truth it goes without a drop without interference perfect if you had a time machine you would choose to go back to the past or go to the future I wouldn't use The Time Machine if I had a time machine I think creation was made for us to be accepted and the illusion of creative agents is an illusion that creates a lot of suffering so if I had

a time machine I would destroy it so no one can use it it was made for us to be here now at this moment the other stage will be the other stage when someone will give us a new script and if I went back in the past I would change something I wouldn't be who I am yes I create a paradox Impossible to be resolved standing still Exactly exactly Complete the sentence self-knowledge is self-knowledge is knowing God the fraction of him self-knowledge in the fraction that you surrender to God God reveals who you are not

by your own effort self-knowledge is you discovering that you are image and likeness according to the level of self-sacrifice and surrender that you submit when you do this you discover that the individual you thought you were is an illusion in fact you are something much greater than you could even imagine you are and you realize that the more you surrender to this truth the more abysmal knowledge reveal themselves to what you truly are then are are in truth are incomprehensible God is incomprehensible is incomprehensible six happiness happiness to be in the present moment seven purpose

of life purpose of life is dynamic and revealed by God every moment when you serve he I don't believe that the people We must seek Our purpose I believe that we must seek God And when you seek God God reveals the purpose he has for you your purpose In life is not yours your purpose in life is God who gives you and that purpose It's dynamic so for you to know your purpose in life at this moment because life only happens here now I can't live tomorrow I can't live 10 years ago I can live

here now at some point in my life I wasn't here at some point of your life you weren't here impossible At some point in your life you weren't not now You were always here and now that is, here now is an unconditionality this is the only moment that exists we give names to this moment oh today is tuesday today is saturday today is sunday but this is a convention this is not what it really is what it really is is what time it is and what day it is here now and that's all we have

and what is the purpose of here and now I don't know let's stay present in the here now for God to reveal according to which day he shows me to reveal perfect eight a feeling a feeling generosity nine a longing a longing my grandfather a great friend was Um of my best friends and I had very memorable moments with my grandfather, a very impactful father figure for Me, I didn't have the maturity to value my grandfather when he was alive, I only managed to understand what my grandfather was after he passed away, after I passed

because of this episode that I revealed I understood after that God told me who my grandfather was to me and he lives in you he also lives in me also through our creator who is the same for sure and 10 it is an achievement that you feel proud of my family Without a doubt , you started the episode talking about your daughter and Luciana, your daughter is Maira Mariana, Mari Mariana is a beautiful name, we think so too, but it's really beautiful, very beautiful, my dear, I wanted to thank you and say that it was

a great pleasure let's close our CIC here an honor a pleasure fo us hra it was ours thank you very much it was a shower You let us talk I talk a lot no but we want to listen we want to learn At this time in life it is having the privilege of receiving people that we can listen and learn and ref I have to thank my father in heaven I am very grateful for something I did right in life you were very welcoming than that but you also Welcomed us very well I wanted to

give you this excellent book and this one It was the description because I talk about the dimension of spirituality that there is no depression without the spiritual I read your book many years ago, it's already excellent but this one is autographed So you take the other one and out I give it as a gift, not this one, this one will stay in the my library This was the first ahed trat TD topic, very interesting, it's already going to be on my reading list, God willing, to have other turns and now you 're going to use

this lens, here it is, to give all your messages, now just understand a little more about it relationships are going through some pain or something chronic or something mild too I invite you to join my Instagram which is Scudeler P luucas or on YouTube Lucas Scudeler has dozens of hours of classes there for you to see for free and dozens more and dozens of podcast appearances, also all free on the YouTube and Instagram channels, okay, I hope you like them, dear, first we Want to give you a little gift, here's the people and what's here,

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