most of the people on the call many of the people on the call uh have been doing some form of Lester style releasing and um I've gotten to know a good number of them over the I guess seven years now I've been releasing um and you know given the overall World situation now many people they can acknowledge intellectually okay fine I'm whole complete and perfect as I am but that's not my default reality my default reality is I'm a flesh and blood you know biologic entity that moves around the surface of the Earth and I
have all these needs and wants having to do with you know basic necessities like food Health clothing shelter and it seems that I need to engage in some type of structured focused action to produce that result and many people are meeting with difficulty in uh performing those kind of activities to generate the things they think they need and want I'll say in the awake dream so I say that's the discrepancy that many people I talk to are up against okay fine I got it about what I really am as being that's her presence fine that's
not going to put food on my table that's not car that's very good so you know what just let tell them to make advantages and disadvantages of holding to that point of view uh so advantages and disadvantages of thinking that they're biological unit in the awake stream holding on to that point of view and that point of view you're saying is that they're a biological entity in the awake dream yes and that things are difficult and that they have to work very hard and that all those things and that is something that in this case
I I I I'm I'm glad I did I'm glad it happened that way I did advantages of disadvantages of everything that will come up okay because my in this case I took literally the experience that Lester says that he Lester said get everything only by releasing and by releasing only and it takes jumping into the void it really takes Letting Go all your support okay everything because it's it you see everything as long as you're saying okay I'm understanding intellectual and that's the way it is fine that's what they want to hold on to that's
fine that's their freedom you're not here to change the world and I'll if you'll permit me I'll I'll play Devil's Advocate absolutely came to mind while you were talking I could have imagine myself explaining this to someone else might say but the thing is you see the important thing is not to uh explaining they is they already know how to release just really to sit down and do the work as long as they don't want to do the work it's because they not willing to experience it all right and what would you say to someone
who says uh I've done the work I've read the book I've listened to CDs I've done Retreats I have a releasing buddy I have a coach and my my life in the awake dream is not what I seek I'm intentionally avoiding the word want but my intention for the circumstances of my experience or the alleged experience in the a wake dream is nowhere near what I want and I see other people have never heard of releasing and they're living a lavish life what's wrong what am I doing wrong that that's very common right now what
you're starting to wrong is what you're what you're starting to do wrong is comparing okay comparing yourself you're busy very busy comparing instead of being being busy consciously do the work that what you want is freedom and then what would you say to someone who said okay I could realize my freedom I'd still be poor I'd still be sick I'd see if you want to do that yes I mean and that's what Lester will say yes if you want to be miserable hey that's your freedom what if someone says I don't want to be miserable
I I seem to be realizing my freedom progressively but I don't want to be miserable in the awake dream but I seem to be miserable in the awake dream I'm exaggerating a little bit no I know of course yes to make to bring the point home I understand yes make advantages and disadvantages of wanting to stay able okay okay you see that opens up your discrimination in advantages and disadvantages of resisting Freedom oh okay you see as long as we're looking for an answer you see what we we are not here to accommodate our points
of views we're not here to make them feel better we're here to be free from them okay free free from the lie that is free from that which maintains the lie that you are a separate being and and that you're separate and that you're miserable because you're separate okay well as long as you brought up that point could we start a different thread of conversation absolutely is each of us subject to a script that was created let's say at our birth and if so do we have any ability to alter the script of course otherwise
you wouldn't be Freedom I'm sorry otherwise what you wouldn't be what you are oh okay infinite Freedom okay you see we have the tendency to solidify things nothing is solid your pure substance now going back to what the that you have to you you see it's because we're trying you're we're very interested in that which is appearing we're not interested in that in in which is appearing okay just see that at every instance we're interested in that which is appearing and we become and we and we become experts so can you we become expert about
objects that which appears yes so see that you're because we're see do you rather be an expert in that wish appears or you rather be happy uh how about balance uh I see some people who seem to me to be fairly well evolved maybe even enlightened I don't know or maybe realize the freedom they've always been whatever Express you like to use and they have material Comfort because there's nothing nothing wrong with it it no nothing wrong with it but the people who are let's say progressing spiritually but don't have the material Comfort seek material
Comfort along the way and it see I could be completely wrong but it seems to be denied those people not at all I and I can tell you exactly from this experience once upon a time so we put the things into context because it's just a story to describe what you're speaking about is uh this in this case here has been up and down what they say broke in with the flow of the flow of well- beingness and um in and I remember once having everything and said now let me go of everything I remember
hearing Lester saying the following you have to let go of everything and I was in Phoenix in in Sedona at that time in a hotel okay doing the meeting I remember I couldn't wait to get into the plane go to New York open my apartment invite all my friends and said welcome your take everything and I just wrote a check in my checkbook every single money that I had in the bank account because he will say don't make Freedom dependent upon anything upon anything not even upon your bank account and I just went for it
everything was done I was clean out nothing else and there I was in an empty apartment saying okay here we are what is freedom and in that moment which I didn't understand and I'm glad now I know the value because I can use it as an example is that they started to investigate what was lack I was not investigating what was fullness and that's what we are we're investigating what is lack that's right we have the word I can't and Le they used to say freedom is going from I can't to I can and when
I say to you this this experience that happened years later when I heard again Lester said you have to let go of the attachment to everything I said oh I didn't hear the word attachments I thought I don't have to let go of everything but it was beautiful to see that there was no regrets whatsoever even if I did go through a moment that I have to ask to a friend for a car so I could sleep that evening can I use your car so I can sleep you see I really put myself in the
in the position of having nothing okay all right and being have health problems I mean everything okay and then I understood I remember going back once to Sedona and uh Lester opening the door for me as a walking I said what are you working on and I said I'm investigating lack and he didn't say the word but it was not necessary when I sat down at the table I all of us I heard what I said and I said enough of this investigation I allow the sensation of lack to be what is only a sensation
and let's investigate the fullness in what in what that lack seems to appear okay great we' certainly given us all uh good things to think about uh thank you very much for being here today please come back soon I think someone else is waiting to ask a question uh I think I'll just uh step aside here thank you very much Laura oh thank you Chuck I hope I I answer your question it was very good thank you that's fascinating to listen to actually that's that's quite a turnaround isn't it from focusing even investigating lack is
focusing on it yes you you see because it doesn't exist Lisa it's only a perception yeah
