Tuanku, are you allowed to talk about politics? Why am I not allowed? Okay, I know. King is above politics. I know. But why am I not allowed to talk about politics? I thought this is some convention. Don't touch politics. King is above politics. For me, no, no. Don't get involved in politics. But in terms of knowledge or perspective, it's okay. I mean, I'm also a citizen of this country. Why other people can talk with their perspective, give their perspective on the political situation, but I can't? So for me, I don't agree with that. Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi
Wabarakatuh and welcome to a special episode of Keluar Sekejap with me, KJ I'm Shahril Hamdan Today is a very special episode Shahril the most awaited episode Because there have been anticipation and expectation for months And today we are very lucky to get invitation and approval Ke Bawah Duli Yang Amat Mulia Major General Tunku Ismail ibni Sultan Ibrahim Tunku Mahkota (Crown Prince) of Johor How are you Sir? Good. Thank you for having me. Thank you. How have you guys been? Alhamdulillah, sir. Very excited for this episode. Actually, Shahril is worried because he doesn't know what you're
going to say today. I will try my best to be as diplomatic as I can, which is not me. But anyway, we can talk about anything, right? Yeah. Easy going. Our podcast is free-flowing. I know, I know. To me, it's the best. It's one of the best platforms. Because you can discuss about anything regarding the situation in the country. Yeah. Agenda, vision, and whatnot. So, I really like it. It's not too formal. It's more laid back. So, congrats. I think you guys are doing well. Thank you, Tuanku. Thank you, Tuanku. Before this Tuanku, among the
guests who came to Keluar Sekejap, aside from the politicians from the state election, there are also individuals that you yourself have seen their political career journey. Dato' Sri Azmin Ali. Oh, yeah. The State Minister of Johor, the State Minister of Selangor, who is from Johor. The State Minister of Kedah. Johor Pontian. Yeah, Pontian. The State Minister of Kedah. Very unique guy. Unique guy. Kedah guy. By the way, sir, we're happy to have Tuanku on the show. Tuanku, maybe I can start. KJ can start with an easy question. An easy but difficult question to answer. Right.
Tuanku is only known by three letters. TMJ. Right. Not only in Johor, in Malaysia, But also around the world with involvement in the world of football and whatnot. Who is TMJ? Well, I'm a military man. If I'm not mistaken, I have the longest military training in my family. Eight years. Since I am 18 years old. Who is TMJ? Well, this is going to be very interesting. Someone who is very honest, upfront. I like to be very straightforward because I think you don't get many characters nowadays in the world. I don't want to say loud, but
more straightforward. I don't like to twist. When I say something, I prefer to be direct. That is me. But someone who also cares about Johor a lot. A lot about Johor. The decisions, even at the federal level, which involves putting our country in any situation for that matter. Because whatever decision is made at the federal level, it will overspill to my country and my people. So, a lot of people say, You cannot get involved with politics and all that. I'm not involved with politics, but like the common people, I also have the right to give
my opinion. So, that's it. That is me. I like to be very, very upfront and straightforward. If you had a value in life, a life value, what would it be? Well, integrity. Integrity. I can't be bought. Because that's how I grew up. I saw my father. I saw my grandfather, Almarhum Sultan Iskandar That was him. If he says no, it's no. It's non-negotiable, it can't be compromised. I like to be as real as possible. Tuanku, unlike KJ, I've never had the privilege to meet you. This is the first time. So, like other people, you might
see things from a distance. And there are many perceptions, many views, which perhaps are not all correct regarding you. How do you manage perceptions, good and bad, and how do you ensure that you are relatable to the people of Johor and the rest of the world? As you see, I don't need to explain who I am or what is my perspective. If someone has a perception of something that is not that good, to me, it's up to them. Because at the end of the day, I know that my intention is sincere when I give an
opinion or when I do something. Everything is sincere from the bottom of my heart. It's not for my personal interest. I don't have any personal agenda. So, what I do is, like I said, I like to be straightforward. Sometimes, when we are too straightforward, not many people feel comfortable. But I prefer it to be that way so that my people know who I am. So, I'm not someone who likes to hide. I like to be just very upfront. That is me. And then, if you look where I grew up, maybe not many people know, I
grew up with my friends and kids in Larkin, in Kampung Melayu Majidi. You went to a national school, right? Yes, I went to St. Joseph's. I was in St. Joseph's, I was in Sri Utama also, before studying in Australian International School in Singapore. So, yeah, I grew up with the people. You don't see me in Kuala Lumpur. I'm not in KL. It's not that I don't like Kuala Lumpur. It's just that, I don't know, I grew up here with the people. I was in every area, in Mersing. Were you still in touch with your friends
when you were young? Of course. I was still in touch with some. And we still hang out. Most of the time, with the kids from the stable, who take care of the horses and all. That is where I grew up. So, I never grew up with so-called the elite or high society. I'm always with the people. that's why, when I serve them, So, when I see certain things which is not right, and my people is affected. Of course, I react. I tend to react. Actually, Tuanku, if I can pick up on that. Maybe many people
will think that with your background, it's hard for you to understand the common people, but hearing your explanation, it's not like that. Maybe you can share some details. I never grew up in the palace. Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku allowed me to be free. I grew up in Pak Haji Selamat's house. Pak Haji Selamat is an imam in Surau, in a stable. Istana Pasir Pelangi. I grew up with him. I was with him from dawn to dusk. When I got home, I just slept. And Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku is hardly around because he's always working. He's
always on the ground. And my mom is a normal housewife. A very simple lady. And I think she's done well. She's the pillar of the house. So, I grew up with Pak Haji Selamat, with En Jabar from Majidi. I grew up in their house. So, I live in their house. So, of course, that is how I can relate. I don't feel awkward, you can put me anywhere in Johor. I don't feel awkward to talk to the people because I speak their lingo. I know this answer, but maybe you want to share. What was your first
car, Tuanku? My first car was a Kancil. My first car was a Kancil. JBL 2. Do you still have it? Yes, I keep it in top condition. And my second car, after I finished my young officer's course in Pulada, my father was so proud. And I upgraded it a bit. A Perdana V6. And I still keep that car. That's great. A Perdana V6. Tuanku, you've touched on Pulada. I want to touch on your military background. Because I've known Tuanku for a long time. And as someone who has known Tuanku for a long time, I think
your military experience is very important to you and after Pulada, you went to Indian Military Academy in Dehradun. So, why Dehradun? I mean, a lot of people went to Sandhurst, UK, but you went to India? I think my grandfather, at that time, wanted me to go through the real deal. In India, there is no special treatment. If we fail our test, it's RTU, return to unit. So, in Sandhurst, there's a bit more diplomacy. Maybe under, what do you call it, SCO entry, special commission officer. It's more of a diplomacy. So, my grandfather didn't want me
to get the same treatment. He wanted me to go through the proper training. In India, it's very competitive. And also, because there's history in the Indian Military Academy. Tun Hussein Onn went there when he was a Johor Military Force cadet with Tun Ibrahim. Both were Johor Military Force cadets who were trained in the Indian Military Academy in Dehradun. So, there's history. And that's why my grandfather sent me there. Six years. Two years cadet, four and a half years serving the 61st Cavalry in Jaipur. Before that, I trained here. And then, the story was not over.
I returned. I was in Johor Military Force. I returned at that time. I was the 2IC. Then I saw how Johor Military Force was run. I was quite frustrated because we were still very old school in terms of our military capabilities. And I changed the module. I changed the organization chart, including the training and weapons. Because I was studying about the ceremonial army, which is the Swiss Guard in Vatican Church. So, they are ceremonial. Same like us, we are ceremonial. But they are all special forces. So, I wanted our soldiers to be the same, to
be special forces in terms of their capabilities. And so, I changed and I put it compulsory. And the first unit, the first group that was sent was 20, including me. We were the first unit to go. And then until today, Johor Military Force is compulsory to have a special forces commando training. So, I changed that when I was 26 years old. 26 years old. Other 26 years old. What were they doing? Tuanku, before we continue with your role in the Johor Military Force, back to Dehradun, sir. You were given the honour to lead the public
parade in front of the President of India. What was that like for you, sir? It was a great honour. I didn't understand why, actually. So, usually the process is, they will send a few officers from 61st Cavalry. Because the 61st Cavalry and the President's Bodyguard, which is both cavalry units in the Indian Army, is directly under the President. We are not under the Ministry of Defence. We are under the President directly. So, at the time, the names of the officers who had achieved something, my achievement at that time was Polo. So, he picked me. Then
he was told by the Chief of Army, sorry sir, this boy, he's not Indian, he's Malaysian. And he said, as far as I'm concerned, he's serving the Indian Army, so he's considered as Indian. And I picked him for his accomplishment. And that's when I led the parade. It was a great honour. But they had to protest in the Parliament. Because people say, would you put an Indian, will Malaysia put an Indian Army leading their Merdeka Day or something like that? It became a big issue. So, they had to put about 60 snipers on the roof.
And I was saluting President Putin at the time. Oh, Putin was there? Putin was there. Putin was the guest of honour. So, Tuanku mounted? I was mounted. I led the parade. So, it was a great honour for me. That was the first and last, so basically, the only time it happened was Lord Mahometan. So, Lord Mahometan was the first one and I was the last. And that was a different circumstance. That's right. It's not just the people of India. But the people of Malaysia didn't know about the uniqueness of what he went through in that
context. Is it normal? It's not normal. But I was serving the Indian Army at that time. So, it was a very special thing that they gave that leniency to me, to serve them. Train under them and serve them. But it helped me a lot. To be honest, I said, I'm fortunate and I'm grateful that I'm in the Army. I think it saved my life. Because it shaped my character. And I'm really grateful to Duli Yang Maha Mulia Tuanku and my Almarhum grandfather Without them, I don't think I'll be here today like how I am. Tuanku,
coming to Johor Military Force, You're the Commanding Officer, CEO of JMF. Ke Bawah Duli Sultan, as the Commander of JMF. And as many of you may know, The Raja Johor family has a special relationship with our Special Forces Tuanku, maybe the first thing I want to say, Because a lot of people ask, why does Johor have its own soldier? Because the military issue in the Federation is a federal thing. Why does Johor have its own soldier? Well, that's our history. We were there as an independent state since 1885. And we also have our own soldier.
When we joined Malaysia in 1948, we had a Federation Agreement. And one of the Federation Agreements was that we would like to keep our army. But their duty was only a ceremonial purpose. To take care of the Raja's family and the palace and whatnot. But of course, their role can still be passed on to the Malaysian Armed Forces. If something happens to the country, With an agreement on the approval of Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku. Meaning they can be seconded to the Malaysian Army. And now, under Tuanku, there is modernization. Everyone has their own special training.
All commando training. I boost the equipment as well. That is where we are today. That's why Johor has its own soldier. Like Ke Bawah Duli always said, which is quite controversial, That we don't belong to Malaysia, we are partners. He always said that. Then, maybe the last thing on JMF, sir. Is that, as Tuanku said, in a war situation, For instance, if there is a war, Then, with the recognition of Ke Bawah Duli, The JMF will be absorbed into the MAF, Malaysian Armed Forces. Yes, that is the understanding that we have with the Malaysian Army.
Is that a good segue to the context of what we are meeting today? Yeah, why not. The controversial statement that Tuanku made earlier, Because our audience will all realize, That we are meeting today, a day after Ke Bawah Duli, Tuanku Sultan Johor, To be inaugurated on the 1st of February. The end of January. The end of January. Congratulations, Tuanku. Congratulations. In that context, We have talked a lot, and Tuanku himself has talked a lot, About the state of Johor. I'm sure we'll go back to Bangsa Johor at some point. How do you change, or evolve,
That perspective and thinking in the context of Malaysia now? Because it's no longer just about Johor for you or your family. Of course. I think Ke Bawah Duli knows that. It's very clear. This is a responsibility for the country, not just for Johor. But you see, whatever decisions are made, Or policies that Ke Bawah Duli has, That will also benefit Johor and other states. In an indirect way. So, I mean, it's a big responsibility. He's very clear about his agenda. He always says something about restoring the order. Because of the unstable situation in the country.
So, to give more stability to the country, We can help when it becomes a domino effect, In terms of the economy. And indirectly, it will help the people in this country. So, Ke Bawah Duli has his own plan. That he wants to work together, Or share his views with the Prime Minister. So, we'll see. I think it will be a very interesting time. So, Tuanku, Ke Bawah Duli Sultan, Again, perception. Because we talk a lot about perception. When it was announced that Ke Bawah Duli was chosen As the next Agong, There were a lot of
comments that said, It's good, we'll get a firm, strict, firm Agong. So, Tuanku, you know Ke Bawah Duli, Not just as a ruler, a sultan, but a father. What kind of Agong do you think Ke Bawah Duli will be? No nonsense. That is him. Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku is like me. So, he's firm. Understanding, very understanding. Firm. But like I said, no nonsense. When it comes to the national's best interest, I don't think he will budge, In terms of the best interest of the nation. So, for the sake of interest and anything good for the
country, I think Ke Bawah Duli will stick to that principle. That's the main priority of Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku. Tuanku, I'm not sure if our listeners know this, And correct me if I'm wrong, sir, But the JDT logo has three stars on top. A lot of people ask, what are those three stars? Because if we look at the national team, They put the stars based on their achievements, etc. But as my understanding, Tuanku, Those three stars are Ke Bawah Duli, Tuanku Sultan, Tuanku himself as the TMJ, and Almarhum. Is that correct, Tuanku? Yes, because I
was known, My call sign was Johor 3 at that time. So, that represents me, the 3. So, Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku, Almarhum, Someone who I really respect, admire, and love. The same goes for Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku. And me. And plus, 3 has always been my lucky number. Since I was a kid, I used number 3 when playing polo. Everything I do, I wanted to be a hat-trick. So, that is the 3 stars. It's not about the title. It's more representing my Almarhum, Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku, and myself. If we can go back to the
question of Malaysia and Johor. It is a very unique relationship. And also the existing agreements. But what is your feeling for Malaysia? Your loyalty and your feeling beyond just Johor. You see, loyalty and love, 100%. Of course, my priority, I was born as a Johor Crown Prince. My responsibility is to serve my people. For the country of Johor. But of course, we are in Malaysia. We also want to see good things happen in the country. Because that will benefit everyone. Not just the people of Johor, but everyone in Malaysia. Of course. So, my feeling for
Malaysia, I want it to change. In terms of what? Let's say, we spoke just now about education. I think we should somehow improve our education system. The syllabus of education in this country. Because today, whatever problem you see, it all starts from there. Lack of education. So, when we have the people, I want to see my people smart enough to think rationally when they make an assessment. So, they have to have that foundation. It's not easy to be influenced. It's easy to believe. It's easy to think based on emotions. I want them to think based
on their own thoughts. So, that is why in Johor, if Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku made me the regent My first agenda will be to ask for some leniency and support from the government. So that we can somehow manage and improve the quality of education in the country. Sorry, in the country of Johor. Some autonomy. Exactly. So, because why? I want to see people who are more qualified to serve in my government or in the private sector in Johor. Because all this will lead to help the economy as well. So, this is what I want. I
want to see more people who are qualified running this country. Not based on seniority, but merit. That's why I hope you two will go back to UMNO. Sorry, sorry, sir. But back to, I want to connect all this before we take a break, sir. When the late Sultan Iskandar ascended to the throne as Yang Di-Pertuan Agong, Ke Bawah Duli Sultan was chosen as the regent at that time. And at that time, was facing the Prime Minister, Dr. Mahathir. It was an interesting relationship. But I think... Both very strong personalities. Very strong characters. Exactly. But there
was respect. Dr. Mahathir had a lot of respect for the late. The late had to handle many things at that time. And Ke Bawah Duli Sultan will ascend to the throne as Agong in a state where our country's politics is a bit unstable. Even though it's stable now, but it's a government that doesn't get a majority. That's why I asked you earlier, expectation Ke Bawah Duli as a firm person. Do you think Ke Bawah Duli will play a more hands-on role as Agong? I feel yes. What does that mean? I feel like, for example, in
Johor, Whatever decision MB makes, it has to be verified by Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku. It has to be brief. And he will give his sincere opinion, where the priority is given to the state of Johor. Like I talked about Johor. I feel he is going to do the same thing, I think he will do the same thing at the federal level. I think he's going to be quite hands-on to have that relationship with the Prime Minister. Share input, what he thinks is right, what he thinks is not right. What they should execute, not just based
on planning. And whatever can help the country in terms of economy, stability, and so on. So, whatever is in the best interest of the nation, I think he's going to be very hands-on. That is what I have experienced when I saw Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku in Johor. I think the same thing will happen in Kuala Lumpur. What do you know about Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku? He is very detail-oriented. Yes, very detail. That could be my brother. That could be my brother. Okay, detail-oriented in what way? What do you mean by that? When I had the
chance to meet Ke Bawah Duli, discussing during my time as Minister of Health, discussed about the hospital, discussed about the development projects, you would ask about the details of the construction. Correct. And you know so much about the technical details. Exactly. You can't just talk about it. Its not just about the development or the projects. Everything. From the trees, to the fertilizer, to the aeronautical weapons. His knowledge is superb. And as his son, I learned as much as I could. And Tuanku knows everything. You cannot lie to Tuanku. You cannot cheat him. He knows exactly
everything. Also, he knows the system very well. So, I think that is where I know that he has his own agenda. Because Tuanku is not based on optics. He's more of, I'm getting the job done. So, he's more interested in that. He doesn't care about his optics. Same with me, I don't care. So, we are known in Johor, not just based on planning, but executing when we have a plan. And I know Tuanku is going to do the same thing there. In the federal level, 100%. And I think the Prime Minister is going to have
a tough time. On that note, sir, we will take a short break and come back after this. Welcome to the special episode of Keluar Sekejap, with Duli Yang Amat Mulia Tengku Mahkota Johor We have talked about Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku Sultan Will take over as Seri Paduka Baginda Yang Di pertuan Agong on the end of January next year Inshallah, if God wills, you will be appointed as a leader again, because how many times have you been appointed? I think this could be my fourth. Fourth time as a leader in Johor, but this time five years,
inshallah, not a short term. So, Tuanku, what are you going to do? First, I'm going to focus on the education. And work together with the federal to improve Johor's infrastructure flood mitigation system To the 3 areas that flooded every years Until I felt embarrased. Everytime I see them, I ask them to be patient And I can see in their eyes, as if they said, there are no changes to improve the situation But that is beyond us, right? We have to ask for help from the government. So, for now, it's in the pipeline of Kota Tinggi,
Batu Pahat and Muar to have flood mitigation. But, like I said, I want to monitor all schools, quality of teachers, programs in schools, even religious schools, which one does not have permit, which I feel are not relevant or do not comply with the syllabus of the religious school of the State of Johor, Majlis Agama Islam. .. better close So, that is where I'll be looking at. That's all. Do you think there is, I mean, the people of Johor, we haven't discussed the people of Johor yet, the people of Johor is something so unique to the
state of Johor, and a lot of people from outside of Johor see that in Semenanjung, Johor has a rather moderate characteristic, which is open. So, Tuanku, are you worried that there are more narrow, conservative, extreme elements, which come through the education system as well, which threaten the people of Johor? Of course. And that is why I said education is the most important, because that is the only way we can avoid the mindset of extremism in this country. I mean, if you want to look at the unity between the Chinese, Indian, and Malays, in Johor, it's
superb, and I want it to remain that way. That is the identity of the people of Johor, the unity. And my football, for example, JDT, was created as one of the vehicles, or one of the foundations of the Johor Darul Takzim Football Club, is to promote our identity as the people of Johor, where we come from, and so on. So that has always, I mean, of course I'm worried, because I monitor what's happening up north, what's happening in Malaysia. And for example, Palestine's solidarity Yes. For example, yesterday, I myself called the Minister of Education, and
also the Education Exco in Johor, to monitor every single school, because I got images and reports of certain schools where the teachers themselves encourage young kids to carry weapons. Even though those things are toys, not real weapons, but what message are you trying to pass here? What are we able to do? Yes, what's happening today is a bit biased. There's a double standard, the situation in Israel and Palestine. We all know that. For example, my wife. I mean, she's very sad when she sees images. No human being, a normal human being, will not be affected
by those images, what they see is happening in Palestine. What can we do? For example, like I said, I'm not a guy who focuses more on optics. I prefer to execute and do something. Now, the thing we can do is sadaqah, dua, and pray for the best. And of course, to help. That's the best. You cannot do beyond that. You cannot go there and say, stop firing or what. That is another level. With countries that have all the leaders as Prime Ministers or Presidents. But if I want to do something, I want to see it
with our abilities. Realistic. So, for example, the Johor Royal Family, every year, gives at least about 200 million ringgit to the people of Johor. Hospital equipment, money for the poor, and also food. This is from the past. But because of the world we live in today, everything is based on perception and optics. People think we don't do anything if we don't share this information. So now, of course, you can see we are a bit more aggressive in the social media platform, Keluarga Diraja Johor, where we often share this news. Not to show off, but because
we are afraid people will get the idea that we are not doing anything. So this is a donation from Keluarga Diraja Johor to the people of Johor. For example, about the issue of Palestine. I've been giving tabung to Majlis Agama Islam, some percentage allocated to help provide food, beds, pillows, other related items, to the victims in Palestine since 2013. Since 2013, I've been giving this donation to Palestine. And that's it. Tuanku, just before the break, you said in jest, maybe, the Prime Minister will have a tough time. No, I'm not joking. If you can follow
up on that, sir. I can hear and see how passionate you are about several issues. Infrastructure, education, both in Johor and in Malaysia as a whole. How do you balance your passion with the reality that Malaysia is still a country of parliamentary democracy, so there's a line. How do you manage that line? You might do it slightly differently than others, but still there's a line that I think you recognise. And to be frank, sir, the Johor State Constitution and the Federal Constitution are quite different. So how do you navigate this? Well, whatever we do, for
example, in Johor, we follow our state constitution, Which has existed for so long. And also our rights and our federation agreement, for example, the issue of water, land, the issue of religion. That is all a state. Of course. That is a federal guarantee to the state, before we join Malaysia. So I know there is a line, but you see, for example, my relationship with Singapore, there is also a line there. It's another country. But look at what we are able to do between the two of us. Using less of a red tape or too official.
It's the same as in the time of Dato' Sri Najib. Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku was quite close to Dato' Sri Najib. And he respects, for example, any development in Johor, it must go through Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku So to me, it is not more of that other line. It is more of how good is that relationship, the relationship between the Prime Minister and Tuanku Sultan, or any other Sultan. You see, with a good relationship, and also working together in the best interest of the nation, I think there are many things that we can achieve. So
that's it. I mean, of course you have a protocol, you have a line in certain things. But when you have a good relationship, I think there is a lot that can be done. Because in the end of the day, it won't benefit Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku, it will benefit the people. So, obviously the Prime Minister, whoever becomes Prime Minister, has to somehow take that seriously. But Tuanku, in the time of Ke Bawah Duli becoming Agong, is there any expectation from Johor? Of course, the Federal Government will try to give justice and equality to all the
countries. But let's be real, Tuanku. Every time there is a Sultan and a King who ascends the throne, there is an expectation that something more will happen to the state. Of course. For example, like I said, the infrastructure. Yes, like a flood. So, of course we want to see improvements in the country. But you guys are asking me a lot of questions. Why don't I start asking you questions instead? Let's go, sir. What do you think of Dato' Seri Anwar's performance? In my opinion, I think he has to execute more in making decisions. And I
don't know whether he has a good team or not. I don't think he has a good team. That's my opinion. I think he has the intention to do something. Of course, he wants to see the country do well. That's for sure. But I think he has to execute a little bit more or he has to be a bit brave in terms of making decisions. You can't take care of everyone. You have to make a decision what's best for the country. And sometimes if you are being hated for making a good decision for the country, Sometimes
you have to bite the bullet. That is my opinion. What about you guys? What do you think? In the first 100 days of Dato' Seri Anwar being PM, I gave him a B- mark. I gave him an A- mark. I gave him an B- mark because he had a good start. He didn't make a lot of mistakes like what happened before. But at that time, his vision of the economy wasn't clear. What is his plan for the country's economy But YB you must also understand, he took the seat while the country was in debt. That's
right. But I think at least at that time, he didn't have a clear vision of where he wanted to go. After that, he came out with Madani Economy industrial master plan, energy transition, etc. So now his problem is execution. You once said, vision without execution is hallucination. So don't hallucinate Exactly. So we're worried about hallucination now. Because it's been a year now, and even though we have a plan, We have a vision, we have a plan, but one thing, of course, his team. To this day, I'm sorry to say this openly, the minister has not
been replaced yet That's right. The late Dato' Sri Salahuddin. It's been a couple of months already, sir. And still nothing. And we see that tough decisions in the budget, he doesn't want to do it. I don't know when he wants to do it. Because it's been clear for four years, until the next election, the government is stable. Ke Bawah Duli will ascent the throne as Agong. And Ke Bawah Duli has been very clear, don't want to change the government. He has already given an endorsement to PMX. But still, teammate. That's what I think. I think
he's trying, I mean, maybe playing too safe. In my opinion. Maybe, if I may add, maybe the headline, the need to chase a good headline, seems to be something that's important for the whole cabinet. So more than delivery, it's how many we can announce next week If it's already announced, what else do we want to announce next week? So the announcement becomes the driving factor. I see. So like we said on the flight, very performative leadership. Right. Maybe not him as an individual, but the whole government as a whole. Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah.
That's my opinion. So... We already discussing politics Its already politics But politics is a good topic. It is a good topic. Because it just shows how much we care. Yeah. I mean, I can look the other way. Sir, I want to ask a basic question. Sir, are you allowed to talk about politics? Why am I not allowed? Okay, I know. King is above politics. I know. But why am I not allowed to talk about politics? I thought this is some convention. Don't touch politics. King is above politics. For me, no, no. Don't get involved in
politics. But in terms of knowledge or perspective, it's okay. I mean, I'm also a citizen of this country. Why other people can talk with their perspective, give their perspective on the political situation, but I can't? So for me, I don't agree with that. And, the monarchy, if we look at it, it delivers or provides checks and balances towards the political situation in the country. And I feel that is very, very important. Because not all democracies work. Not in, you know, you can see some countries work, but mostly it doesn't. You can see in the Middle
East, Look at the countries in the Middle East that don't have Raja. Compare it to the ones with Raja. You can see it is more stable, it is, I mean, in terms of economy or policy, in that sense. So for me, yes, it is important because we provide a lot of checks and balances. That is my opinion. But when we give perspective, I mean that, if you have your rights, other people also have their rights, I don't think I should be excluded. I also have the right to give perspective or, you know, ideas, or what
is my take on politics. I have never felt shy or afraid to talk about politics. Because before, if we look at the older generations, of course, it is like a taboo, you know, to speak about politics. Because we are supposed to be above politics. Yes, we are above politics, But you must also understand that politicians serve the people. When you see certain things not happening, and where the people do not get that benefit, I mean, it is also our right to speak up or remind, or give perspective. But, Sir, maybe there will be, if I
may ask, slightly delicate question, maybe there will be people who say, okay, if the royal family wants to give perspective, Then they also need to accept when that perspective is criticized or not accepted by the people. Is that okay? But we have been. How long have I been critiqued? Anything happen? I don't see anything happening. So, I am open to be criticized. I am open. You know? Do you read the stuff, Sir? Sometimes I don't read all, But of course we have a team that informs. Sentiment on the grounds, and things like that. So, sentimental
studies, we have a team that monitors everything. So, I don't usually read all, but I think it is also important, I think it is important to know what is the current sentiment on the ground. And, yeah, I mean, that is my point of view. To be criticized, I have been criticized many times by politicians, football players, all kinds of people. And, I am very open. But, like I said, what is right, is right. So, the people can judge it based on facts, not by hearsay. But if someone wants to hear more hearsay than facts, then
it is up to you. This is why I say it goes back to education. Which is, I feel, The most essential thing that we lack in this country today. Tuanku, maybe address the perception. If you say, if you criticize, Tuanku or Kerabat Di Raja, a patrol car will come to your house. I don't think so, right? Will that happen or not? I mean, if you curse, and you threaten, of course there will be a patrol car coming to your house. But, if you criticize, I don't think anything ever happened before. It has never happened. For
example, someone used to criticize openly. He even held a press conference. Nothing happened to him until today. So, a lot of people criticized and nothing happened. Right? Unless there is a threat, or someone curses, which is considered as seditious. So, that is within the law. But, when I criticize, for example, when I criticize, I don't think I'm going over the limit. It's more to give the basic view. Serve the people. Serve the people. Serve the people. Over and over again, I've been saying the same thing. The same thing. Remember, The interests of the people. The
interests of the people. I don't think that's wrong. That's how I remind them. So, Tuanku will continue to be vocal. Tuanku... 100%. You will still be open and forthright. I mean, if I see everything is okay, I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. But, if I see that there is something That I need to give an opinion or a statement, I will do it. That's for sure. Time has changed, YB. Time has changed. If you look at the scenario in the country, it has changed. So, we have to go according
to time. Tuanku, While we still talking about politics. Tuanku, what is your opinion with this new generation of politicians? Let's put PMX aside. I'm not saying we should put it aside. But, he's 76 years old. I understand. So, we don't have to think about the next generation. Tuanku, do you feel... See, sir, I tell you, it's about qualification. Qualification. For example, if you are young, and you are more of a populist, Or you only talk based on theories, but not practical of what actually can work, what can work on the ground, then you shouldn't be
in politics. But, for example, you both are very intelligent, qualified. I think people like you should be in politics. We were fired. Yeah. But, for me, those who have been around for a long time, those who hold on to power, Have been around for a long time. I'm not just talking about age, but more of a view, not so much relating to the current scenario of what the country is going on today. So, of course, we need younger people serving the government, or even in politics. But, not only based on age, and of course, it
has to be merit as well. Qualification and those with potential. In the context of age and merit, Chief Minister of Johor is from young generation. If I can ask a naughty question, how do you rate his performance? His performance? Dato' On Hafiz? Dato' On Hafiz? Seven or eight. Seven. I give him a seven. Seven out of ten? Out of ten. That's not bad. That's not bad. I bring it down to six. Why? Because he's still young, but he's good at his job. But then, like I said, even though we have various plans, I will also
work very closely with him to execute certain matters in the country. I think there are several issues that we overlooked, Or we didn't put in the right effort to resolve those issues. So, yeah, I give him a six or seven. He's young. He still has a long way to go. How did the transition happened Tuanku? Because there were many questions about Dato' On Hafiz's appointment as Minister of State. I think it was a way, Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku, to show that We shouldn't ignore his views, The one who appoint State Minister is the King When
you endorse someone, you are playing... The poster boy. The poster boy at the time was Dato' Hasni. And Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku was upset with Dato' Zahid. He said, you should have referred to me first. Who do you think should be the Minister of State? And I think that was his way of Reminding those up there do not challenge his authority as the king who chose the Minister of State. Tuanku, going back to Malay politics, UMNO was born in Istana Besar, in Johor Bahru. Do you think UMNO has a future? Sorry, I have to ask
this question. This is the old UMNO, right? Yes. Not the new UMNO. The original UMNO, 1946. Tun Mahathir created it. Yes. I feel, as a strong Malay party, UMNO has a foundation. You have the foundation already. But there needs to be people with better quality in UMNO. That is my opinion. Because now you are asking me about UMNO. So I think there needs to be people Who can bring a different dynamic that can relate to the current scenario of the country today. And there is a future. But some people have to go. Maybe. For that.
To have a future. If the system is still as old as it is now, I don't think UMNO has a future in the country unless they change. That is my opinion. I feel in the context of UMNO, UMNO-Johor sometimes looks a bit different from UMNO as a whole. Almost mirroring this Johor-Malaysia relationship that you stressed about. Maybe what you said some of the factors are from Johor. Of course. But like me, I have good relationships with all political parties. PKR, DAP, all. Everyone can meet me here, drink coffee, share views. For example, sometimes, even in
the DAP area, Ke Bawah Duli Tuanku give a donation. If you look at it. Like that. That is how the unique relationship that we have in Johor. If you look inside our Dewan Negeri, I think it's the most civilized country in the whole country. I agree. In Johor, the dynamic is a bit different about the other parties. Since you mentioned DAP, in Johor, it's different. In Johor, there is a bit of openness to see DAP as part of the political process. In other states too. But within the Malay community, They have a phobia of DAP.
What do you think of DAP? Well, I think based on the parties, I prefer to evaluate it for example, Hannah Yeoh. I think she's superb. Because she's just someone who focuses on her job. When she has work, she focuses on doing her job. It's the same with Chin Tong. But I don't know the others. So, as a party, I don't think I can say whether they are relevant or whether they are good. It's not my place because I only know very few individuals from those parties. It's the same with PKR and UMNO. And I feel
all political parties in the country, the most important thing as I said earlier, is the priority should be given to how can they serve the people. What are the innovations That they can do where the people will benefit. So, to be honest, I do not care which political party you come from. As long as you can serve the people, you can get the job done, you deserve to be there. You deserve to be there. That is my point of view. Okay. Maybe on that, sir, We take a break. Thank you. Welcome to the special episode
of Keluar Sekejap We have discussed a lot with Tuanku about Malaysia, about Johor, about the policitians performance But maybe one of the theme that we want to highlight, is the role of monarchy itself Which I think we've touched a bit, sir. But maybe a bit more. Malaysia is a Constitutional monarchy country. The King is the Head of State Protector. Nation. And also the head of religion. Relevance of the monarchy today, sir. And I ask this because many people say, how is the royal institution relevant to me today? That question was also asked to me by
one of the students from UTHM. He also asked me, is it still relevant to other system? In my opinion, not because I'm a king, I feel yes. Because, you see, I'm sorry today, okay? No disrespect to any politicians. Yes, sir. We're out for now. We're not politicians now. Today. Because if, Let's say, this country go really, really more to the right side of extremists and so on. I don't think any politician will object to that. Because they need the numbers. They need the numbers, they need the rating, they need the support. But, us, who doesn't
need the numbers, Give us a platform, a foundation where we can give our opinion without being a populist or popularity or with the feeling of being afraid of people being offended or not. But what we feel is good for the country. Now, if we look at it, in 2018, when the government took a shift. Johor was going through a lot In terms of economy. It was going so bad. I'll give you an example. Sultanah Aminah Hospital. One of the burnt ICU. Ke Bawah Duli used his own money to fix that particular section. The same goes
for affordable housing and so on. So, for me, the monarchy system Monarchy is still relevant, but We also have to change our ways. Get closer to the people Not just attendance or appearance to official ceremony or events, no, go down Say, I like to relax, for example, if I go to Kota Tinggi Or I go to visit any area, I like to sit at the stalls and ask the old men How are you doing here? I like to ask Because I myself want to know how I can help them So this is where We must
have more engagement with the people, this is my view, because if there is a very far gap Of course, I don't blame the people who feel that we are not doing enough, because they don't know what's going on For example, if I don't have this way of having this podcast today with you, or I don't Speak out, or educate the people what our role is, or what contribution we have Given to the people, the people will not know. So that is why I think the engagement is very important to maintain Closer and more approachable relations.
I like it that way, because I was taught by the late Sultan Iskandar Kebawah Duli Tuanku taught me the same way. Kebawah Duli Tuanku also likes to go to the villages, sit Not just waiting when Kembara Mahkota to meet the people, we can meet whenever we want So Kebawah Duli often, for example, stayed in Muar or Kluang or Segamat for three, four, or five days Go and observe and see for yourself what problems the people are going through And also give them a chance to sit together. Because sometimes if we make it official, the people
want to argue They feel embarrassed or afraid. So I like when, what I do when there is no camera I prefer that way. That is my way of being more, there is more engagement with the people And I feel the modern day, in my opinion, everyone has their own way. I respect everyone, everyone has their own way But if I can give one suggestion, an opinion, that would be, we have to be closer to the people Is it important for a king to have a value which is always be with the people, or is the
king only in the palace? Kebawah Duli Almarhum, my grandfather, used to say this, not everyone who wears a crown is a king I never understand that. A king is based on his actions, what we do, our sacrifices for the people Go down, closer to the people, has that sense of care, like for example, my mother, she has done exceptional for the people of Johor And me and my wife, we try to, what we have been taught, what our ancestors taught us, we also try to do the same or even better And also learn from that.
So for me, a king is based on the intention and also responsibility And your sacrifices and how you serve your people. That is my opinion. If you only sit in the palace, then what, I mean, I don't blame anyone if they say we are not relevant Back to the first point, do you think this institution is check and balance? Of course, of course it provides check and balance. If not, I think you will have a dictator in Malaysia Yes, because today, you can easily control someone by playing with the sentiment of religion For example, using
religion to attract people's support. So those sentiments, that is why I said we are the only ones that provide check and balance It is essential for the role of the system in this country Can I ask a question? If it manages to attract support, even with religion, but in democracy, it is its right Yes, of course, of course. But you see, it is to provide more check and balance in terms of making decisions For example, let's say a decision is right and it should be made, but it is not that popular I don't think any
politician will do it, because he thinks about his supporters So at least we can, even though we cannot make that decision, but we can share our views or provide a bit of check and balance in a way between us and the politicians. Why don't you do something like this? And see whether we can come up with something more relevant where the public can accept Rather than just say, okay, everyone doesn't like this, but even though this is good, we are not going to go with it Because you need the numbers of support. And to me,
that is not good Tuanku, KJ and I always ask each other who is more Anglicized, who likes the UK more? UK? Yes, United Kingdom. So to bring it back to that, I studied in Perth, where the head of state is the King of England Listening to your explanation of how monarchy here is check and balance I think you will agree, sir, that over there, they don't consider it check and balance. It is more ceremonial In my view, studying politics in both countries, what is the difference? Why do we need check and balance here? Is the
quality of the politicians there better? I don't think so. I think there is a respect between the monarch in England and also the Prime Minister and also the government And of course, when he gives his view, that particular view is taken seriously Because of how long they have served the nation But if we look at the monarchy system in the Middle East, it is different Completely different Absolute monarchy Exactly And the same goes with Brunei For me, it depends on the culture and the mentality and the mindset of those particular countries Because not all countries
are the same Tuanku, we have talked a lot about the role of the King and the future of the monarchy And you have given a, not justification, but a very robust defense of the Royal Institution Tuanku, maybe this question or discussion is a bit sensitive But do you think you are unique in this matter because you are part of the new generation of rulers What do you mean? Unique in the sense of Am I different? Yes You know, we have to earn the trust of the people Don't live in a palace This is a new
way We cannot be above politics But we have to care about the issues We can be above politics But there are also issues that we have to touch or share our input That is everyone's right Everyone has their own rights Everybody has rights Do I feel that I am unique amongst the rest? I think yes Because I bring a completely different dynamic altogether I mean, you will get quite bored without me too Tengku, do you see yourself as a disruptor in the royal space? Maybe there are people who don't feel comfortable with me because of
my way of thinking My mindset Maybe I am not as old school or orthodox If you compare it to tradition I still maintain tradition I still respect tradition and protocol But I feel that in terms of work There needs to be a different way of doing things Doing things that are a bit different Where you can relate to this particular modern time You know, Tuanku There is a question that I have never asked you This is the first time I am asking It is being recorded A few months ago, no one wanted to touch me
When I was fired from the party No one wanted to touch me That's how it was He was also hanged I was fired I didn't win the election I was thrown out But you still showed up I didn't ask for it I didn't ask for it At that time You were the one who contacted me You offered me the role as advisor In Johor With JDT You don't need to do that And I am a bit toxic Maybe still toxic Why Tuanku? Because I see To be honest I see you have potential And it's one
way to keep you relevant With With the engagement between people In whatever platform For that matter That was my way To show The leadership of the party That I don't agree with His decision That was my way of showing support And I don't agree with What was done But it's not my place I am not in politics But that is my way of Showing support Because you need Good people Running this country Today especially With times like this And That was the reason why I do it And plus of course Friendship We are friends I
mean I am I am a soldier I never leave a man behind That has always been My principle I never leave a man behind Regardless If you are my friend And you are in trouble I will always be there That is my attitude And Good times or bad times Doesn't matter I am still going to be your friend That is my way That is my way Thank you so much Stay proud Stay airborne Okay We take a break and then Come back Perhaps the last segment on football Future of JDT And Maybe something international Yeah
Something international Like Singapore Welcome back To a special episode Keluar Sekejap Together with Tunku Mahkota Johor Tengku Ismail Tuanku Congratulations Ten times in a row Malaysia Super League InsyaAllah, you will win the Malaysian Cup And we hope you will make a good decision in the AFC Champions League Can you think of a moment when you will be bored of football? You have won all these titles And many supporters are worried that one day TMJ will wake up and be bored of football and leave I don't know, but maybe that time will come There will always
be an ending to a story, right? Or a destination in the journey I cannot be in football forever I do have the passion in football I have the passion and enthusiasm in the sport But there will be one day that I might say, it's enough Because to be honest, the financial pressure is very heavy in football Especially in this region, in our country For example, Kedah, three months no salary Sabah, no salary Kelantan, no salary Sarawak, no salary So it's not easy to run a football club Because you put in a lot of money, but
the benefits are minimal In terms of tickets, merchandise, and also sponsorship Even though Johor has a lot of international companies, collaborations and sponsorships But still we struggle And sometimes when we struggle, me and my Kebawah Duli have to pay for it And sometimes that is quite frustrating Frustrating because I like the idea of JDT Gathering all of the people together Give us a sense of belonging to boast where we come from The identity of Johor In the international level But in terms of responsibility, it's quite stressful Because looking after a football club Especially when you
have a team It's like looking after 32 rich babies Spoiled brats I'm being open I don't care I really don't care That's the truth It is never enough They always want more and more And there comes a time, they dont feel satisfied about something You see, on the surface, every single club looks good But behind closed doors, it's not easy How do I make sure a guy like Safiq Rahim Or a guy like Fernando Forestieri Or a guy like Farizal Marlias Who has won so much Has a lot of money A lot of success But
the hunger of playing and feeling like they have never won anything Or never achieved anything I think I must be good to keep that fire burning Because if not, the players can just say We get our money every month And so what? I'm not going to break my leg I've won so much already It's how my character somehow Provides that urge of professionalism Wanting Success And it's never enough So that is why where we are JDT is where we are today But like you said earlier About that one day that I feel like I'm not
interested in football Maybe yes But I own the club So I cannot I kind of technically speaking I cannot run away from it But maybe I can be less hands-on Like right now I'm super hands-on About everything So maybe I want to be a bit less hands-on Let everybody else run the club So are you capable of that? Or any other sport? But before that, are you capable of it? I don't think so I've seen you I don't think so You're asking the coach Which player? Who? And you know I told my brother also And
my brother said No, I don't think you can do it I think if they lose one match You'll be back And it's true Yeah It's true Yeah Tuanku, before we divert to another sport Because Shahril supports cricket He's a Newcastle fan Newcastle fan I'm a Newcastle fan and a cricket fan I see But before that, sir How do you keep How do you keep the spirit of fighting it? The hunger is still there Yeah Sir, Johor is there I mean, you know With Thai clubs, Indonesian clubs You know, JDT is I think it's the best
today In terms of commercially speaking Infrastructure and so on I think we're the best in Southeast Asia But the gulf with Japan With Korea With the Middle East Maybe that takes time Okay We are not there yet Yeah Because they have started the project Ten or eleven years before us What I did was 2013 What Urawa Red have been doing Was since the 90s That's right So, in terms of performance In terms of grassroots of it like Professionalism Diet We are not there We are still far away People are disappointed We lost 3-1 to the
Korean team I went there with an open heart of I'm not saying I don't believe in my team I believe we will fight We will definitely give a fight But my expectations were not that high So, when we lost I'm like, okay, we lost But the idea is to be in that particular competition every year Because Johor's name is with those elite teams The best in Asia And just be there And try to compete the best we can So, I don't see losing in ACL as a failure I just see it as a hiccup And
next year we're going to be there again And we're going to do our best But If you say whether we are ready to compete with Japan and all that Yes, I mean we give Kawasaki a good run 1-0 1-0, we lost And we drew with them last year We beat Ulsan Hyundai 2-1, twice And now we lost to them 3-1 So, we are not an underdog team We can compete We can compete And Yeah, so I think we are on the right track In football Where we are today And you're still going to be committed
until you win the ACL? I want to be able to reach quarter-final That's my dream Okay If I get to the quarter-final To me, it's an extraordinary achievement Because I'm realistic I know where we are I don't know how to daydream But if you see also What I did with JDT in terms of winning mentality and everything It has also become a domino effect impacting to other sports Like we saw in Johor Today A few weeks ago MMSM MSSM MSSM We won So, if we look at SUKMA We did very, very well Last year, we
won everything And you see Farhan, a professional Boxer Boxing, a boxer here You see now we have ice hockey We are involved with moto racing So, I mean, it's that Competitiveness attitude Of not being satisfied Not feeling comfortable To be honest with you The only thing that keeps me going Actually Is my competitor Or the supporters who are not so wise I'm sorry But that is what keeps this fire burning Because I want to Because when I consider you as my enemy I want to make sure you are frustrated That is my attitude If we
are enemies I want to beat you every year That is what keeps my fire burning And without them Without them Without the supporters Or all this They call it the haters and what not I think I wouldn't have been here in football for a long time Because There is no competition These people with their disbelief With their disbelief With their disdain on the JDT project That I thank them because Because of them I still feel that competitiveness Of wanting to do even more So, yeah Haters motivate you? Yes, a lot A lot Because I posted
a picture Of me in 2013 or 2014 In my Cafe Near my garage There is a picture written on the back May my haters live long To see my success And I think that is just my personality I just want to win I just hate losing I want to win And I want to do well And every time I do well I feel It is a great achievement But it is also I can show to The so-called haters That You see where I am now? You see where this club I created? Where are we? Have
you seen the achievement? Our achievement? What we have? That boasting right Keeps the fire burning Yes But I agree with you I'm also Motivated by Detractors In politics, Tuanku But I feel the same as you It's not revenge per se No, no, it's not revenge To show that we can Perform and succeed It is just being a winner I mean If not What is life? It would be very boring right? Even though we are businessmen Politicians Soldiers You always want to do Better. Because that I mean Every character That is just being a winner And
that is how I was taught And I guess you are the same as well You want to win You want to do well Everyone wants to do well Everybody wants to do well Only I'm not doing so well now Anyway Let's talk about Competition This is a topic that Shahril and I feel It's important for us To discuss With you The relationship between Malaysia and Johor With our neighbor Singapore I don't know about the relationship between Malaysia But the relationship between Johor and Singapore Is very good Very, very good Since long time ago Since my
grandfather's time It has been very close with Singapore Singapore, Tuanku Is seen as A neighbor As a competitor Competitor Neighbor Collaborator Sometimes And I want to ask How do How does Tuanku And how does Johor view Singapore Because Singapore is closer to JB than KL Of course So it's symbiotic Hundreds of thousands That cross Johor causeway every day We have to coexist And at the same time I don't see them as competitors I see them as a friend And also Whatever system they have today In their country We cannot Ignore or Say that They're not
doing the right thing The quality control When I have my engagement with Ministers Or any official government in Singapore To see that Qualification That knowledge And that professionalism In every agency I envy that I want to see that here. So for now, I've never seen them as competitors. I see them as a platform that I want to reach. It's true that their country is smaller, easier to maintain and so on. Their democracy is a bit different. Their democracy is different. I understand that. But in terms of policy, I'm not talking about stability. That policy is
strong. For us, tomorrow you'll have a different party. It'll be the government. Policy will change. Policy consistency is in Singapore. Exactly. It's very consistent if we look at it in Singapore. But for us, the policy keeps on changing. And that affects the economy in the country. Because we don't give anyone the confidence to invest in the country. Because they're scared. We're not going to put in how many billions or hundreds of millions in Malaysia. And tomorrow, you have a new prime minister with different priorities, especially other things, and also policy. Game over. So I'm envious
of how Singapore does things. For example, the management of water. They're doing well. Even though they can sustain. So I like to see that professionalism attitude. Maybe you also see their quality in public life in Singapore is better compared to what's happening in Malaysia? Or is that too controversial to say? No, I don't think so. But if you see today, they cannot live. I mean, in Singapore, it's too expensive. It's too expensive. So that is why they come here always, to Johor. I do not know about their life quality. Maybe we have a larger population.
I meant the quality of people in public office. Do you think it's so much better there compared to... Quality of politicians. Honestly, yes. Why do you think? Education? Education, of course. Education. Look at them. For example, their prime minister can speak Malay, English, Chinese, and everything. Our PM can also do that. I don't know what he can speak. But education. It all goes back to education. Singaporean politicians, like my counterpart, of course, top education, top qualifications, scholar, soldier, brigadier general, and so on. But there, they are shielded from the real cut and trust of politics.
I'm not saying they don't have democracy. But like I said, it's different. And PAP also has its own danger. They are not relatable to ordinary people in Singapore, as you said, inflation is so high, housing prices are so high. The party, the fund is not going to last forever, sir. No pun intended. The party is not going to last forever, sir. So, things will also change in Singapore. Of course, of course. But going back to the relationship between Johor and Singapore, not just the history, sir, but the future as well. We know there is a
plan for a special financial zone for the city. The new economic zone. That's right. The special economic zone as well. Any thoughts, Tuanku? Because I see there is no details of it yet. Of course, that is still in the early planning. But it has to be implemented. Especially, I think, even though the RTS development project will be a game changer. Because today, Singapore is also worried. After COVID, people in Johor, even though their salary, their pay in Singapore is high, people don't want to go. They are afraid. They are afraid that if something happens, they
won't be able to go back. They will be shut down. So, they don't want to work. So, Singapore now is actually a shortage of staff. Even though nurses in the hospital. They have a shortage. Up to point they take our people. Exactly. But I think it will be a game changer with this RTS in terms of the economy of Johor will boom. But that also will give Singapore an advantage of people crossing over. Our people and their people. Tuanku, Almarhum had a dream and was facilitated by Tun Abdullah Iskandar. That was to have this seamless,
symbiotic relationship between Singapore and Johor, Wilayah Iskandar and so on. Tunku mentioned RTS. I also want to see other projects like HSR. And also a seamless border, Tunku. Maybe one day there will be no need for passports. Just go in and out like that. Yes. That's the idea. Is that what Tuanku wants to see? Yes. I would like to see that because that would be helpful Maybe we can start with SEZ and SFZ, if not all, as the first step That's why I think the economic zone, we have to wait and make sure it does
really well But you see, I think federal also needs to change In the future Taxes You see, other states, I don't know, I speak on behalf of Johor, at least there should be an arrangement or an understanding between federal government and state government of us at least so that we can save 10% or 20% of the taxes that goes to the federal level. Because, for example, let's say we need to spend money in any aspect for that matter, it will give us at least ease where we can stand on our own feet and do't need
to ask for a request. That request, for example, the request from Sultanah Aminah Hospital, has been going on for five years, six years. So this is where sometimes I, as a member of Johor, am quite frustrated with the federal government, regardless of who is in power, because it has always been like that. So, if you at least, if we can save our finances, because we are giving you 100% of our taxes, at least save a little to reduce our burden. And then, of course, we still need the federal's help and support, of course. I think
it will be a win-win situation, in my opinion. Sustainability in the state. Not only in this state, maybe in other state as well. Because now, our main issue in this state is that money that is given back. You imagine, for example, if I give RM48 billion of Johor's money to the federal government, and give back RM1.6 to RM2 billion, I would have to take care of 4.8 million Johorians. How would that be? This is my personal view, sir. We are a federal system. And since the establishment of Malaysia, we have been doing the same thing.
But, I don't know, Shahril. I feel I am a strong believer in more devolution. Because when we devolve, now we have devolved with Sabah-Sarawak. And we should bring some of that spirit of devolution. If not, follow exactly what you asked for earlier. But at least to empower the states and state rights beyond what is written in the Federal Constitution. Like in America? Yeah. But in the United States? Yeah. It's the same. But I think what KJ is saying, sir, is more than what is allowed or afforded to win currently. Yeah, yeah. I mean, a new
model of devolution. Because, Tuanku, for your information, KJ wants to compete to become the mayor of Kuala Lumpur. So, he might want devolution in KL as well. So, this is not just Johor. Because, Tuanku, some problems are solved at the federal level. Obviously. But a lot of problems are solved at the local level. Of course. Especially PBT, state government. Yeah. Like the daily problem, Tuanku. Yes. So, I think devolution Especially when central power is proven to not be able to solve many of these. Yeah. central power was a thing in the 80s, 90s. Tun Mahathir,
strongman. But now times have changed. That's why I said everything must change in the future. Because time has changed. Every single thing. Whether it's the monarchy system, whether it's the federal government, even politics. Everything must change according to time. Yeah. Because We are beyond that. Tuanku, thank you. It's been a privilege, honour to have this discussion with you. Do you have any last words or questions? No, because since Shahril is a cricket fan Yes, I am. No, talking about Johor and Singapore relationship. Johor has we play cricket in Singapore annually. Cricket Johor and cricket Singapure
is called the Saudara Cup. Oh, okay. So, I mean, this is all between our initiative to keep that relationship going. In fact Where do you play? Both sides? Both sides. So, now we have school going there. They have their school. They send their school to do some program here with us. Because, I mean That day, when one of their government official asked me, how can we strengthen this relationship? I said, you must understand, you have to get to know your neighbour. People to people. Because we are too close. But you have no idea what's going
on in Johor. Johorians don't know what the hell is going on in Singapore. So, I think that is the only way to break that boundary. But anyway, thank you. Thank you so much for having me here in this podcast. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having us here. Thank you for having us here. We are here in Bukit Sri right now. This is not our usual sofa of Keluar Sekejap. Can we take this back? Yeah, sure. Why not? Tengku Mahkota Johor Menjunjung Kasih Appreciate it.
