BIA GARBATO (TRANSTORNO BIPOLAR) - PODPEOPLE #189

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Our guest today is an advertiser and author of the book bipolar yes crazy only when I want where she shares in a light and humorous way the challenges and experiences of living with bipolar disorder In today's chat we will address topics such as the social stigmas linked to the disorder, your journey of self-knowledge and overcoming the fundamental role of therapy and how your narrative helps to demystify bipolarity, encouraging other people to find strength in your own stories with you Bia garbato [Music] [Music] Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of pod

people a place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People who happen People who inspire Our guest Today, she is a columnist and she has bipolar disorder and comes here to share this with us, her name is Bia garbato, everything is good, my dear, everything is good, Bia, Pleasure, how are you, my pleasure, my dear, it is very nice for me to be able to talking about this subject, bipolarity, which has so much misinformation about it, so it's a pleasure op hra because it's so good when we can and I think

this is a characteristic of pod pipo that we give a voice to the experts But we give voice also to those who have the right to speak because no doctor, no matter how much he studies a disorder, will know how to accurately describe how a patient goes through that and starts to have the capacity to self-reflect, yes, because there comes a point where at Sometimes the patient is unable to reflect but when he gains this maturity and sees, wait, but it works like this and it works like this together with the doctor and forms this

Partnership , right? you really have the right to speak and go through this, you know more than anyone else, perfect and I felt very alone in my journey, so when I decided to talk about it, it was also very much about this objective of welcoming people, they speak, no, I'm not the only one who there is this disorder and so on, so it's really cool to be able today as bipolar, even talk to others, right? And that's beautiful, and we even wanted you to tell us about this journey with bipolar because that was unimaginable 20

years ago, right? We even had a group that was led by a wonderful doctor. She's already passed away, she lived in Leblon, but the group was in Vil Isabel, it's about bipolar, but it was something like that that brought together 20 people . of everything which is singing so I think it came at the right time and you can give this welcome, you know, like that, I can talk about it because I've had it there too. He gives Tips because many people have difficulty accepting it. Then they have difficulty accepting the exact treatment. to understand

What's the best way to get there, right? It's difficult, exactly, it's very difficult too, and before we continue to find out about this whole journey, I wanted to ask you a question about clothes, let's go, what do you appreciate most in clothes, comfort, durability or technology? all three are very desirable, right? comfort makes all the difference, number one, I think so, and if I told you that there is a brand that brings all this together, it's wonderful. So let's not go there, what is it, look at the insider, it's a clothing brand that comes revolutionizing

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win the insider today and I wanted to share with you some details are there the clothes I'm in, right? You've seen me like this R This blouse is A classic that's the suite, it works like a Zinho pullover but it's also thermo-adjustable and it's very stylish, huh, isn't it cute, I like that little neck thing And what happens when it's hot, it kind of cools down When it's cold, it kind of warms up Wow, perfect, so it's okay, it's okay, you can go out in the morning and do whatever you have to do it and

at night go to the cinema the theater is a good size this is very good for São Paulo where I live perfect not the pants are wide leg which I say is the most comfortable thing that we seem to be without nothing at the end of the year you're going to travel you're going to travel by car you have to be comfortable you're going to travel by plane you have to be even more comfortable , right? there are three types I like the Brief which is very comfortable and has the same anti-odor technology it has

the same technology but there are more things for you to see Alex is with the Rood which is this Zinho coat this one is heavier for São Paulo it is perfect It's like we are in the studio here It's always autumn winter outside, sometimes it's summer, right, but she suits herself well , she knows a lot, she controls everything here in Rio de Janeiro, I feel really good too, he can't show the underwear that BR was also wearing. That's it, too. with the underwear that is extremely comfortable, right Comfort Comfort is wonderful PR giving as

a gift is a gift that works for everyone next Bru Ah, this one is my personal one, I'm all an insider, okay, this t-shirt is yours, a collar t-shirt, me I'm with Easy leggings that are wonderful, wonderful, they are an attraction, wow, you can do anything, they are super resistant and don't bother you, gymnastics sometimes bothers you with clothes, it doesn't bother you and there is also a top underneath which is the wonderful Energy top, this is my personal one and the coincidence he already wore insider Look how cool before you met me this is

a Tech tshirt it is XL right because like the arm or the chest so it always pleases next time bu ah this is the only difference I'm with Easy reading too but now I I'm with Tech gool t-shirt I don't know if you can see the difference there, you can see it and I love this all black look, I add a little neon thing, a little dot of light, a little dot of light, right, Another Bru Ah, now that's a super tip. This is the outfit I'm going to wear. at Christmas, you see, it's a

t-shirt, this t-shirt, what 's the name of this shirt ? with the children, right? love, there's no point in going with those little clothes Everyone like that playing with the children because that's what Christmas is for So this is a suggestion there are several colors But I thought this color is beautiful for Christmas, it can go well Bru for the new year, I think this is wonderful, okay? I'm just going to change my sneakers, I'm going to put on some stylish gold sneakers, this is the blouse This is the Minimal top, we saw it on

the other one in red and this isn't the Minimal top, I really like the one called High Neck which is also like this a little t-shirt but with a little collar, it's as if it didn't have that collar and this skirt is wonderful, Bia, this skirt is called a brze And it's a wrap skirt, it's very beautiful, it doesn't wrinkle, but you don't even feel like you're stepping on shoes, so I found a look that cool, I'll be with him at the next reveon Bru ah the men ah the men I didn't choose it, okay

it was Bruno ah this one eee Alex These pants are very good Future form these can be worn on New Years like the men It's much easier, it's a formal style , but it's also very comfortable, it's very comfortable. I'd change the sneakers, okay, I think you should wear some bright white sneakers. I think so too. Definitely, but I already have my polo shirt and it's wonderful, cute, right? There are more for men, ah, shorts I loved this ocher color, this one I 'm going to wear on the first day, swear, you won't go offline

. It's different I liked the sock I also liked the sock and I liked the T see if it looks like this one is everyday shorts on the insid website this is this bermuda this bermuda everyday shorts that's cool it has several colors this one Bruno liked this one I understand, right? Alright, you're pulling, you're pulling, you're wanting to get something as a gift next time, Bru a There coupon our coupon, right ah our coupon because with the pod people coupon there's a really cool discount for you to take advantage of all these offers and

guys, the look, I gave suggestions there, you can put together whatever it is, it's a mini skirt, it's because I like this longer skirt which I think is more charming but in relation to the breeze I have a tip for you, for example if it's like Bia you can ask for it op if it's like me who has a little bit of hips here M Ah, it seems like it n but I'm shorter I'm shorter You're taller and the Biotype is the same So it's just this tip because the others are the same pattern Tech

t-shirts we have wonderful colors so take a look there, get the mini skirt boys the shorts make the kit, take advantage of it exactly and use our coupon, you can people Okay, come on, my dear, there's a little gift from the insider for you to open, let's go Green Wow, I love this color and one more green here is not possible This is that Minimal top is a t-shirt I loved the mesh, it's delicious, right? And there's this, if you hit any water you drink at the end of the year, it really repels it. Look

how delicious it is. It's impressive. I didn't have A program that I did with a Bomb and a little green jacket. oh what a style So you can use it in all situations at the end of the year party Christmas on the trip it's well served wonderful beauty so let's go my dear tell us your story well I have bipolar disorder right Uhum And I'm going to tell you a little about mine story your trajectory mine trajectory with dealing with this issue, my first crisis was when I was 16 years old, right, generally today it

is known that it starts between 15 and 25 years old, it happens more, right ? year of school and I had an episode of panic disorder anxiety So I'll tell you I was in a chemistry test Uhum And I started looking for my eraser thank you very much the test ended there I was in the process of the test chemistry test no It's such a simple thing, right? So I was there I started looking for my eraser, I couldn't find my eraser and it kept growing inside me until I couldn't take it and I ran

out of the room, opened the door and went to the bathroom to take shelter between the space between the wall and The toilet, quietly. in a hug like that, very scared because I had no idea what that was, I was having a panic attack, right, you had never had one, never had anything, that bad feeling started like that, it was out of the blue, right out of nowhere, Blue, right, that's how today I see it. that it feels like you there was a plane crashing, right? And then you have that whole physical reaction of the

trembling paleness and your Cold, then with the clear feeling that something very bad is going to happen, but that happens in the chemistry test, so it's very terrible And then it came the teacher behind me and the whole class, right? And she thought you were feeling ill, right? She thought I was feeling ill, I was, but how could I understand that in 1998? So, from then on, I went to a psychotherapist, a psychiatrist, it was unthinkable unthinkable just seeing a psychologist was something like that, wow What's wrong with her, right, a little strange, a little

crazy, I don't know what, the psychiatrist was in a straitjacket at the time, right, so I went, this episode was followed by depression, my colleagues had it different reactions I socialize very well, so there were People who supported me There were people who walked away, like, it's strange and I didn't really know how to deal with it, I also understand, I didn't know either Uhum And there were people who probably called me crazy right away because So let's divide it into three groups, right? Exactly 33.333 exactly but I understand, I myself said what's happening to

me, have I gone crazy, right? So that was when I was 16 years old, throughout my life, but when with your family, my family was very scared, you know, scared because probably on that day of chemistry test, they called your mother or someone, my mother, Mom, I called my mother a lot And then my mother, Oh, poor thing, she didn't know what was happening, it was happening, they took you to therapy and they took me to therapy, I I actually took myself because I'm going to tell you that my treatment was always very independent, which

was me I think that's what helped me overcome it, right? But then I went to psychotherapy And over time, but for a long time, like, about 8 months or so, I got better So, but there was no treatment, therapy and it was a search Yes, and then you got better, reducing The crises or not, or the crisis didn't come back, so it was a volatile episode, no, I was 16 years old and I went to see a psychiatrist . in and soon after so You said, you got out of the anxiety crisis, which was punctual

in the school situation, you sought therapy, but from there you left the anxiety and entered a depressive situation, that 's it, I understood that exactly exactly. For me, it's the worst pain there is, Soul's pain like that and so it was very complicated, I didn't go to school, I didn't go to the party, if I went, I felt sick, I started to isolate ourselves, we ended up isolating ourselves, right? Fortunately, I had many friends who they even looked for me Ah, let's go to that party, I was going to feel sick. My father, my mother,

picked me up, so it's something that you really isolate yourself from, but I, over time, I improved with self-knowledge and so on, but as I went along I had other depressions, but I was also that thing, we didn't really know what to do with it and I've always been a happy person. So no, it didn't really suit my Personality, you know, this depression that came out of nowhere and it's like it takes away your energy, you know, that energy that you seem to me that you had it exactly depression gives a total and absolute lack

of energy, right, discouragement, prostration, no, you don't feel joy, you don't feel pleasure, right, so it's suffering, it's unparalleled for me, look, I've already broken all my ribs in a car accident, but the chip is for the suffering of depression, truth is terrible And then when I was 27 years old it was precisely during this accident that I needed to take a lot of morphine And then when I started to withdraw from morphine I fell into a deep depression But that depression, which is like that, they needed to give me a bath giving food, eh,

it was a really paralyzing depression It was very heavy because morphine in itself depresses, right, if you look at the classification of the substance, morphine is a depressant of the central nervous system Uhum And you already had depressive episodes that came, take that the morphine got there it's like it took it like this V exactly pulled the PR down very low very low and then I went to the psychiatrist for the first time And then I told him everything I had a list Of symptoms like that Absurd I didn't know what What did that mean?

He said, look, Bia, you have depression . right, and I started taking an antidepressant, but the antidepressant was not the ideal treatment for a bipolar person, right, because it takes you out of depression and can have a turnaround and throw you into PR Mania PR Mania, exactly, so I took an antidepressant, but until then it was Depression was depression, how do you know, right? It's the most common, because then no one goes to Euforia for a doctor to say, look, I'm doing great. Give me the medicine I want. Right, then you go into depression .

So, it takes on average from the first crisis to diagnosis of bipolar disorder 10 years 10 years of Incorrect diagnoses, right? And then I started taking antidepressants and I realized that I had hypomastia. Then you looked and saw that between the depressions you had a little excess of energy nothing that would take you out of line or that wouldn't let you sleep then You had diagnoses you said people that was already hypomania exactly so that was very confused with my personality ahi Bia is very extroverted or for example a workaholic she works until late hours

She's a party girl, she likes to go out, so as I'm really a more person, I don't know, this lively life and such. Happy, that was confused with my personality, but at the same time it's not sustainable, right? You have a increased irritability, you have the issue of buying more than that, everything becomes much more serious when you have a full-blown mania, right? full, right full And then I was like that until I was 31 when I had a really serious depression, you got depression again because at 27 you had depression that paralyzed post- morphine

Then you started taking antidepressants Then you started to see what happened later, right? that I had hypomania, mania didn't arrive, Frankly, and then at the age of 31, I was only 31 years old, so I started taking antidepressant medication And then some things happened, so for example it stopped working or I became so well that I I threw away the medicine So there were already signs of bipolar disorder, you know, I didn't have the slightest Knowledge, because now after the pandemic we've been talking more about bipolar disorder, but back in my day, even when I

was diagnosed, they didn't know I was I felt completely alone and T exactly And then I had this very serious depression so you can have an idea I didn't su My sensitivity was so much that I couldn't stand anyone's voice so I was locked in the room my mother and mine could come in husband my ex-husband Uhum So I was So, there was a lot of antidepressant to go out, I didn't go out, I didn't go out, I didn't go out until on my birthday, my ex-husband had a party with my friends, so I couldn't

imagine meeting people like him, that irritated you, right, wow, sensitivity, and then he you helped me get ready and so on, you're going to the party and I was wanting to die and then my friends started arriving and they started to give me affection, hugging gifts and so on, things went on, I started to loosen up when I saw them, I was smiling when I saw them. I was laughing and when it arrived At the end of the day I picked up a piece of paper I wrote today it was the day it was the

best day of my life so think I had needed a lift To get up and it had been the best day of my life so I definitely had a turn towards Mania, right? So from then on I was great I didn't want to sleep imagine the party never ended the party never ended exactly And then I went to the psychiatrist I came back to say how well I was, I was wonderful I was wonderful and how fantastic your ex-husband was because he insisted and he took the depression, right, and it made you the person had

the best day of your life, he took his hand exactly Uhum And then I went back to the psychiatrist and started telling him no because I'm feeling tireless, it's really good that I go out for a walk in the neighborhood because F depression you have to walk you have to walk I walked for 6 hours so tireless tireless you you change energy go to High M Total total And then he arrived and said like this look Hey my mother was there She is manic depressive well it is a name for old bipolar disorder extremely stigmatizing

but it was said worse Bia said Psychosis manic depressive So they already put Psychosis in there, almost like, we're there neck and neck with schizophrenia, exactly, right, it's not a horrible name and you become like a maniac, What's the habit of wearing green? like us, maniac from the Park, a lot of things are the serial ker of humor, a horrible thing, well, then he gave me the medicine, it arrived at my father, but he didn't explain it, he didn't explain it. This lack of communication is terrible, because it's What I say if we have to

draw we have to draw to be able to make the patient understand how it works, it's up to him that we can die in the middle of the medical path the patient will follow he has to know, right And today Bia We have a lot of information on Instagram, I wish I had an Instagram at the time, with a lot of professionals with you talking about the subject, clarifying things, so for me it was a complete and pitch black situation, so I took that medicine Ok, I'm going to take it, but I don't know, huh?

I did n't know anything and I don't know anyone anyone for a long time I didn't know anyone exactly, I didn't know anyone to exchange an exact idea And then my father took me to another psychiatrist he said no, my daughter is fine now she has this mania with depression, what is it, I went to another psychiatrist, I went alone, I I spent an hour talking to her without breathing, we have that Mental agitation, taqu lalia, right, you have a Cardia attack that speeds up your heart and you have a lalia attack where you don't

stop talking exactly and you have a flight of ideas, right, so I start with In college I go through the pyramids my grandmother's couscous promotion from Zara goes back to Greece and then the Psychiatrist stayed listening to me and it's been an hour Bia, hey, let's stop here, let's call your father and she arrived and said, look, your daughter has bipolar disorder, my father got scared and said, you don't even know my daughter, right? months, watch a few months for you to give a Diagnosis like this she said Look, I will never forget if I

let her leave here like this it will be medical negligence And then this doctor explained to me very well what it was, step by step, step by step, she gave me the lithium which is a medicine first choice, lithium carat, that's right, at first my father wanted to know more about the medicine and so it has a toxic potential, it has to be measured in the blood, it's very safe, as long as you do it, it 's exactly as much as it was against me taking it and I left there Without the medication And then,

but understanding a little more, having an idea, yes, and it's funny, I left Without the medication, but the next day I called the psychiatrist. funny thing was the reaction both mine and my parents' why Because in general the patient doesn't accept it Exactly it's very heavy you're bipolar What do we have in bipolar ah So-and-so is crazy So-and-so is bipolar two-faced fickle changes quickly Rapid exactly changes his opinion all the time So it's a difficult time So people generally don't accept it And then it's difficult for the family to have to do an intervention to

be able to take medication, etc. That wasn't the case for me, I was really emic, I was relieved to have a diagnosis once again because I there were a lot of ups and downs highs and very lows and an inconsistency in my life, no control over that, right, I had, I had several jobs because there would come a certain point when I would get depressed and I would resign because I didn't even know that that was an illness that would allow me to have a medical license, yes, so I was on vacation, I wasn't feeling

well yet and I was resigning, so my life was very inconsistent, I couldn't Commit to, for example, a trip three months ago, I didn't know how I was going to go, you could only go that way, let's travel this end of Let's go this week because I had this perception so I knew there was something wrong with me and then when she said I decided to treat myself, however my family had difficulty accepting it so if I didn't have control over it they even less so, right so they didn't accept it And there was something

like that, for example, in depression, get up from that bed, go get a job, take your medicines, have a habit of taking medicines, so I had to be very autonomous. I went to the doctor, I bought my medicines, this helped me Senator against Maré within the family for pure love, I imagine your father is No, my little daughter was always like that, she's happy, she's agitated , she has a lot of energy, right ? a treatment even though I disagree with this family nucleus , which is very difficult, very difficult. It was exactly this difficulty

in maintaining stability in My life. My family is now very accepting and supports me. They are proud of me talking about this and everything, but it was a process and the lack of information that we had, right? So I was going behind books were technical books So today you see patients starting to talk so that was one of the reasons why I launched my book, right to inform, try to destigmatize And and to bring this to make knowledge accessible, right, I say it is palatable exactly because it has truths they are difficult to digest and

I think that this type of work that you did in your book, which is beautiful, we're going to put it there in a little while, it's a way for you to give a food, teach people to understand the taste, you know, the characteristics exactly has one story of a mother and a daughter who didn't speak to each other because there are very complicated symptoms, you know, irritability, aggression, aggressiveness, excessive spending, excessive spending, a lot of debt, hypersexualization, exactly so betrayal, for example, can happen right now, Bia, you've reached 31 and you have your diagnosis and

how old did you have your little boy at 31? Hmm, so there was another key, there was a key there, so exactly when I talk about severe depression it was a trigger, it was postpartum depression, I already knew that I was going to have depression, but you already felt that, I was sure about my life. It came with depression, sleep deprivation is a very important hormonal factor, so I was medicated at the time with antidepressants, including during pregnancy, but it didn't last. And then I had this postpartum depression, which I think is the worst part

of having it. one The mental issue of you being bipolar is that you are a bipolar mother, so out of control, right, exactly out of control, so Eh, I looked at my son, he cried and said, how unlucky he was to have a mother like me, it's not me, I wanted him to stay. with other people because I knew he would be better off than with me so people say Oh you want to get rid of the mother wants to get rid of her son it's not an act of love el your love was so

great you wanted him to avoid being growing up seeing this instability instability, I think that at first you wanted someone to take care of you because you didn't feel capable, you know, due to Postpartum depression, exactly, and look at the huge prejudice there is towards postpartum depression, imagine the mother who doesn't bathe the child she doesn't take the child in the playground, right? What kind of mother takes the appointments, that's what you've seen people all your life and said, right? Ah, the first bath there in the playground, you didn't have that pleasure, those mothers breastfeeding

in the playground, full, right? So it only got worse for me, right? I looked and I felt very guilty spee very badly today he is 12 years old, right ? something funny about the book, right? Because I had to talk to him about being bipolar and talking about it to a child is complicated, very difficult. And at school, your mother is a writer, she's going to release a book and her book says Bipolar, your mother is bipolar exactly, right? Tad is cruel, right? Bru, put the book here, bipolar, yes, crazy, only when I want. Fantastic,

they are stories to read, laugh and cry, Because in fact there is a lot of humor, uhum, because people Say ah, bipolar, something heavy, it's the way I am and I I think we can take lightness out of the mental issues that we have that we go from not being something like that, it's so terrible that it only feeds prejudice, right, but I think you did a brilliant thing because humor is a language is much more easy to communicate that people lower their defenses, right, you see wonderful plays that, in quotation marks, were comedies, right,

like sharing, I don't know if you got to see sharing. It was a success for years, there were six four sisters who met at their mother's wake and that a tragic thing in quotation marks but then there was a barrage of memories and you laughed a lot and at the end there was that emotion that paralyzed you throughout the theater, right? That play was directed by Miguel Falabela, there were several versions but they were all wonderful, I remember I think I saw you telling them all wonderful the setting was a coffin and those sisters first

version I think it was Susana Vieira Natália do Vale already had it with Arlete Sales like that, everything was brilliant and it was so interesting that we started laughing first the whole piece started Seriously, that Coffin is why I came here to do it, they said it was PR to laugh, we start to eat a lot and at the end everyone is silent, crying, taking so many lessons, so I think the resource of humor and that's what I thought was fantastic in your book because like that you don't It arrives bringing a truth, take this

here, it's heavy, don't get used to it, look, I went through this, this is what I look at today, I can laugh, but it was difficult, it was difficult, there is this emotion, there are these two But you also brought ility, otherwise you only bring the exact weight exactly, but one thing that is very important for me is to speak with due seriousness because it is a complex disease that has a huge impact on people's lives, right, but I think that I also try to bring a little hope because I'm here B I'm sure I

have the most serious state of the disease, which is type one, type one, which you have more serious manias and severe depressions, which we also have type two, which are hypomastia, my son, friends, I'm a writer So the columnists So people say Wow, you're bringing me hope that it's possible to stabilize, but it has to be treated a lot, it has to be accept the Diagnosis exactly, so for example you are talking about the situation that you your husband prepares your ex-husband prepares a party takes you out of bed in a crane practically suddenly you

turn the party exactly people if you think about it that gives something What do you mean, right? out of nowhere the guests saw people talking like that, she wasn't in bed, we thought that everyone I congratulate her husband then did something she was in a certain way, look how she is now, something a cocktail for her, get up and I have something with her socialization, which is a very important part for me, this connection with people so when I was depressed I couldn't hear anyone's voice when I was in hypomania Mania I would pick up

my phone and call everyone from Az I miss you Let's see each other and stuff and then there was a case I was in a state of mania and I woke up in the morning I took a pre-Uber taxi and I visited all my friends like that, I showed up at the house and out of nowhere the doorbell rang the person Hi, I miss you here, I wish you See , it's a love for everything, Right ? my best friend is someone I would love to meet And I simply hid behind a cashier in a

store so I wouldn't meet her so I couldn't bear to meet anyone Uhum it's a social phobia it's absolute when you have depression it's a very big fear right , the fear of contact, shame, embarrassment, right? And at the same time, when you go into hypomania, it's an inordinate love, a necessity, right? trial and error because each patient it responds in a certain way to the physiology of that body , right? increased appetite Uhum And the weight gain in me, I was thin, an eating compulsion set in and what happened was that I weighed 100

kg, I Was this compulsion, for example, I feel a little embarrassed saying this but I ate lunch at home, I went to lunch with a friend and I ended up at the Drive Through, right, because no one gets fat from stuffing their face with chayote, right, so it was a lot of very sweet and then I got a lot of pasta, the carbohydrates give a carbohydrate fixation, right, and sugar and then I was extremely uncomfortable with my body, right? I think everyone has to be comfortable with their body. For me, that was very exhausting, you

weren't like that, right? No, I saw myself, I didn't feel good, and then when I I have been well when I was stable because then there's no point in being depressed saying you're going to go on a diet, you're not going to go on any diet, you're going to exercise, you're going to exercise, you're not going, it's very difficult, people even say how you exercise, I don't know what they said, look, come on. slippers and go to the bakery But leave the house, you don't need to put on sneakers and go to the gym, which

is very difficult when you're depressed, right, but then when I was stable I decided that I wanted to lose those kilos that I gained that I I wasn't happy and then it was like this Or the bariatric Or the medicine, I didn't see much of an option until I found a clinic and I lost 40 kg of weight with a diet. There's a photo, before and after, look at another person, look at the face, look at everything else, right? 2016 2024 I started treatment with in 2018 2018 and the interesting thing was that in addition

to seeing a nutritionist and we used the scales a lot to weigh the food because that thing Ah, eat a small steak, you think it's a small steak for me when you see exactly so there was where she portioned the food, but there's no point in going on a diet if you don't work on it. Mind, for sure, if you don't change your relationship with food, your exact behavior, so what, I participated in a group therapy group for compulsive overeaters, so everyone told their story if they supported everyone on that boat, why had their reason,

gtil g of weight , in this case the trigger was the medications because before you weren't like that ex, right? So people say I'm going to stop taking this medication because I'm gaining weight or because the first reaction would be this, it's doping me because many of them give it and cause drowsiness I'm very drowsy, I'm gaining weight, Just a negative thing, right? And today I take the same medications, people say I can't believe it, there's a medication called olanzapine, olanzapine, yes, it increases Petite a lot, I still take it Uh, but I learned how

I did this mental work right, I learned to live with it and manage it, managing it knowing that that excess craving is not yours, it's a side effect but one that you learn to control Exactly because it's not hunger, in reality it's not F, it's an impulse eating is an impulse exactly so you said something so interesting because there are people who have side effects that are like that but they are not insurmountable when you are aware of that, right you start to change your mind so that that side effect doesn't happen. install it, dominate

you, it can even be present, yes, it's like when you find out that someone is diabetic and is about to become diabetic. So you have to make a radical change, it's that person who starts cutting out sugar and discovers that you can live without sugar, exactly, right? in that sense you were I got used to my taste buds and I got used to it, like, I got a craving But that's not appetite, I Never had the feeling of satiety, never, so I could actually have lunch three times and it wouldn't end, and at the same

time I already ate while crying because I had that impulse But I knew that it was hurting me I wasn't feeling well but today I learned how to overcome satiety Uhum So I feel I say it's not time to stop I understand that I didn't understand you see yourself right It's as if you see yourself of outside is a consciousness that Analyzes your exact body but you have control over it Domain No you try to get there in a denominator eating you need This is very difficult, right because if you have another addiction you cut

out uhum oh I don't know alcohol the drugs and such but the food you will live with it there exactly And then what I think It's fantastic about everything you're talking about Bia and that's what hits a lot like that, hey, me and Bia Bia doesn't answer today anymore but so we there is a Harmony in the way of thinking at work, she as a psychiatrist, I as a psychologist, but this behavior thing is one of the things I learned in life and then when I met Bia I realized that she also had this and

she still Had a side better because because she had written several books, so it was a way for you to read, giving knowledge to that patient, either about depression or bipolarity. that I talk about a diagnosis or a possible diagnosis for my patient, he I have to have this responsibility of teaching him how he will understand and you are talking in a very light way but about something that was your self-knowledge yes and the search for wanting to understand yourself yes and when you understand everything This frees you, you realize that this is what Bia

just said, it is the diabetic who comes to understand that he can live without sugar and he will have a normal life, it is you who is a mother, a writer, a columnist and is managing everything And then with this relationship of food and that I notice and I noticed that in you, that's it, the craving goes, I saw it and I 'm feeling it. So how do you know your clock, how do you know your biological life, do you know today? That's more, so what do you do? Go for a salad first because It

will fill you up, right? Try to create strategies for you to deal with your day, strategies and I think that's what leaves it is knowledge, knowledge saves, yes and you said something about diabetes, eh that when it comes he has a normal life and it is important to say that the bipolar also exactly when he is treated he is able to stabilize and have a normal life now there is a lot of prejudice you will say in a job interview you can say that you have a health problem with and Hypertension But you will never

talk about diabetes you will never They're going to say that you're cool, right? I even have the issue of Tinder, I was talking to a friend, you're not going to talk to Tinder, bi bipolar, that's going to be bad, or for example, when you have a date and start dating someone, at what point do you say This is interesting because there is a lot of stigmatization right aa Uhum And you speak very well I'm diabetic exactly no Funny that in a job interview at the beginning of a relationship there's even that thing Ah you diabet

Ah I'm also wanting to take away the candy I 'll help you there or So you talk about the question of ah I'm hypertensive, oh we reduce the salt, right ? What will the child be like? My life is over, it's going to become hell Exactly exactly and he's not bipolar, he can have a stable relationship, uh, right? The other day I was watching a video of Van Dame, yes, he's bipolar. actor And then he was in the kitchen and he was extremely irritated Rude with his wife but she was very quiet he left the

kitchen in a little while he comes back crying you hug her because at some point he knows he has so much aut knowledge that he I knew you were running away from him, right? And you can see the guy's career, the guy was extremely productive, exactly, right? There are a lot of people in the job market and with bipolar disorder, especially because hypomania makes you very productive, very productive, it seems super Superman super human, right? I think we become more intelligent because there's a lot of connection, speed, I think intelligence is always present In bipolar

people. Funny, I have the feeling what happens is that maybe in hypomania, not in Mania, because in Mania it's so strong that you flip over you disconnect from reality sometimes right, but in hypomania, no one treats hypomania, right, no one comes here because I'm wonderful, it's because it 's a feeling that you're flying there, as if it were a dream that you're flying, dreaming that you're flying is wonderful, so like that I think the person thinks it's all there, all the knowledge is there but they lack the courage to use it, which hypomania brings about

and brings about a speed of connection of information in the brain that has material that was stored there but wasn't there . connecting with another to become an idea and suddenly, momentarily for a while, when the car accelerates too much, the car definitely crashes, right ? inside that brain, how does it connect anything with anything, it's true because what creation is is when I have an idea, which is an idea, a thought crosses with another or with others and then that forms an idea, Yes, right, if I have it and it is the same process

of creating TDH, TDH has excess thinking, so he tends to be more creative, bipolar, he doesn't have excessive thinking, he has excessive relationship empathy, so in this he creates files, so you see, you have many friends, each friend and in a more empathetic relationship you create a lot of material to be humans So you create characters much easier, you are able to write a play much more calmly and when hypomania comes, all this material is like shaking yourself and forms many more connections of ideas Look, then you look at a bipolar person, many times I

said people what a brilliant idea when I was depressed I had a lot of patients when they were depressed, you see, I'm a failure, I said, no, it's not a client, so no, no, there's that war where one thought crosses another with another and an idea comes out, right? So many patients said, let me go to the hospital, oh, what? Delicious, I said if it were possible because there is a risk of going there, so we have to see here that you are okay and that from time to time you access this material because it

is in there ISO So You have to have more time with yourself to access it, yes, in hypomania you access it anyway and hypomania is not sustainable, right, because otherwise we sometimes have this desire, I want it, it's just a little bit higher, just a little bit more, a little bit more. Delicious, right? It's like driving a car, no, I don't want to reach 100, but I'm going to reach 99, it's going to exceed 100, it's going to exceed 100, and so hypomania or mania is synonymous with Euphoria, right? So in my case, I'm very

happy, very happy, it's something that's delicious. Now there are people who don't have that, they just have aggression and irritability, for example, exactly, so it's terrible, I'm a calm person. At a certain point, I had a fight with my friend. ex-husband and I threw a glass of water at him and it broke on the wall, so it's something that grows in you, an irritability, an impatience, often an impulse, so it's not something that is ultimately desirable, right? Sometimes a person has an excess of self-esteem and self-confidence And then you end up talking a lot, let

no one talk, then at work you end up having conflicts, right, so it's nice, but at the same time it has its problems, Right, so the good thing is to live life, you know, as it is, which is a bit disappointing for a bipolar person. right, who has experienced it , right? I wonder who has experienced the euphoria ? I don't know what there for you to study but see I don't know what it looks like, something wonderful, right? So I have friends who had experienced hip manias Manias because sometimes the episodes last a long

time, right? Weeks, months, years of both depression and hypomania And then when the person is treated, they You think she's depressed, it happened to me, I wasn't depressed, it's just that life didn't have that shine anymore But then you see that it's the best place to be, but look how interesting it is when it stabilizes, the shine becomes an exact construction. That's what I said to you my patients because they said that, no, Bia, I will never be intelligent again, I will. On the contrary, the moment you manage to connect this energy that is inside

you productively without getting sick, then you Will create without, because you will have discipline and Constância, the great The problem is that you are a creator in pulses exactly And then you don't even create but you don't enjoy the creation because you capsize at the moment when you manage to believe that everything is there and that if you succeed it's like physical activity if you succeed keeping this ours is not doing Oh I will do the gym today that I haven't done all week It's just that people go to the gym and kick ass arbent

if you see this, it doesn't happen to people, then the magic happens when he says damn me, it's Constância, it's persistence and it's productivity. more in your hands and not in this exact way, it becomes more consistent You said something important which is the following, the treatment for bipolar disorder, it is a chronic disease, right? taking your whole life is one thing of acceptance so I'll be fine so what's wrong with this the more you resist this medication the more you're going to capsize the moment you find yourself your dosage and the way to deal

with it accept it and take it because You're going to have a life much better, the big problem is this struggle of thinking that you can stop the patient from adapting and accepting this. I think it's the big challenge that I still have to accept because when he accepts, you see that things start to change. walk and it becomes calmer but until he has this acceptance he starts for him, then he gets into a crisis, then you have to stabilize, then you have to increase the medication, but it's the medication he knows he doesn't want

And then when you stabilize and he accepts that, life flows exactly But it's not just the treatment medication that will resolve behavior, you have psychotherapy, which is fundamental, fundamental, that is, you learn to deal with these fluctuations and you have the appropriate lifestyle. things that trigger exactly and find out What are the triggers so for example sleeping late is a super trigger So you have to maintain that sleep routine sleeping earlier I need to sleep 8 to 9 hours waking up at the same time This changes the game you exercise aerobics in the sun because

We are in this home office thing, we stay indoors all day, right ? noon so alcohol o alcoholism is a COB with very, very high morbidity in bipolarity in bipolarity, right, so I didn't have a problem with alcohol But until I drank reasonably I stopped uhum because I said I'm trying to fight for my mental health and I'm going to want to get out of than my normal, so it's an important thing for you to control these substances. But it's interesting that all the changes that are necessary are changes that would be good for anyone.

I say this because I say it, but because I'm the only one who said it. 8 hours to sleep early, for example, when I go out, I'm traveling, something like that, I resent it, it doesn't make any difference, but I'm like, wow, I wish I was in my house at that time because like this, every now and then, you're OK, but this thing about you is always there. It's impossible at the club How important it is for everyone to maintain a healthy lifestyle, Right? It really makes a difference for everyone because when you say oh

no because you're bipolar Try it for three months, sleep well, do activities, reduce some drinking, a little bit of sun, avoid alcohol avoid excess of Sugar, avoid excess processed foods, you will get better. Without a doubt, anyone will get better, but what you're saying is that for bipolar, this is medication, treatment, treatment, right, because sometimes people say, I'm taking medication, I'm in therapy because that's how it is. The disease will definitely impact people's sleep, either they will have a lot of sleep or they will have less sleep. There are a lot of people who are

active at night, right ? it kills a lot of people's sleep, it has to be Be very careful or else these lives I sometimes get impressed starting out and there's Live at 11 o'clock at night midnight folks, the pandemic is over there's no need to do this because sometimes I go, sometimes I like to go to bed early too, sometimes I'm going to sleep, there's a live ball option, I said. It's true, people didn't Tell anyone that the pandemic was over, right? It's a paradox it's true Right now, Bia, we've already talked about stigma, we've

already talked about quality, self-knowledge, medication, we've talked about practically everything now, I wanted it, so I ended up with this, this desire to know, so what was the point that you said, so that we already presented the book but I wanted to understand and it's a very interesting book as Bia already put it in read laugh cry so it's in a way of lightness and overcoming and showing that we will have ups and downs in life and a lot of emotion But where in your life because you went through several treatment experiments on everything we've

heard a lot, I wanted to understand a little bit , where did you say that, I want to talk about this, I need to put this out so that people can change, where was this turning point, where did this desire come from? of writing a book since I was a child Oh that's cool, I used to write at school and there was that thing where I read To class until I read to school, eventually I wrote poetry and so on, so writing was always a passion but life took me in other directions paths I I

graduated in advertising I don't work as an advertiser anymore but I've worked a lot on that and I didn't have that opportunity I was writing more for myself for my friends then I used to write chronicles chronicles and that's what I love most you have a chronicle face really dear I loved it people I loved mso I swear, I'm a big fan of chroniclers and such and I kept doing this and kept it to myself because I was insecure, I was like, I wonder if this is good, right? the thing you love most is to

test whether you're good at it, it's difficult. And then there came a point in my life when I no longer had any prospect of realizing myself or having a purpose because the illness was putting an end to that, so I left the jobs I took, eh, freelance, if I got depressed in the middle, I had to half-deliver, a horrible embarrassment until the moment I said like this, I'm not going to go through this again, right, I'm not going to work anymore. I even took care of my son who one day said like this mother gets

a job It's a pain, you're on top of me, I want a little less of a mother, give me some time and then I had already lost the kilos, I was already stabilized, the disease was back to being physically you, back to being physically and mentally I said, you know what, I have nothing to lose, I'm going to talk about what I'm going through, including during the pandemic and I posted a text on Instagram about my depression and a lot of people came to talk to me, thank you very much, I also feel this, a

great identification. and it was very nice because that way I remember that I felt Oh, so-and-so has depression, I would take the person's phone number and call Hi, it's okay, I'm Bia, I have depression, tell me, but people didn't tell me that, right? So it's a huge embarrassment, and then I saw this reaction from people and I said Look, you know what , the floor doesn't happen, right? I'm going to take my bipolar out of the closet to show that it's not synonymous with madness . the book and also for me putting it all out

into the world, right, because we start talking Oh, I Have depression, I take Zoloft, now saying that it's bipolar is more difficult and there are a lot of people who take it and it's treated like depression, they take antidepressants, they turn around and don't know, they have hypomania and don't know M much more than we think, it has improved a lot, right? After the pandemic, we exploded the issue of Mental Health, which is wonderful, and today I see that there are many diagnoses, including late diagnoses, right, like you said about autism Uhum So, that's the

person. I never knew, right? I was labeled as inconstant, inconstant, or difficult temperament changes quickly, exactly, that's all. So I saw there an opportunity to clarify, to express myself, to put myself out there and help people, right? So today you think the book was even easier because people didn't need to expose themselves, yes, the book is a very intimate thing, right? I say, for example, my headboard and my bed are full of books, it's an intimate relationship with many books and this thing about going to bed with the book is very common for me understood,

so I think that there the book You're not having dispersion, right? You and him and maybe people have more capacity to talk, damn if I've already been through this and didn't realize it. Yes, a lot of people say it. They gave me the book. I read it and I think that's it. Uhum And then I talk to the psychiatrist and I also wanted to talk about the disease and my story in a more consistent way, you know, I didn't want to go on Instagram on Stories and say people, I have bipolar TR, I think people

can do that If you want, but I wanted to tell my story, I wanted to tell you exactly give it your way, my way, to give elements to people, you know, people say, so you, uh, advise me to also come out of the closet, also to say, actually, no, because I think the following, we still live in a society that has a lot of prejudice and I think that It's valid the moment has come when it's time for me to talk about this It's wonderful to first be stable to do it Surely, right, you in

Mania you won't think So you're in stable and depression too The cool thing is you're fine and you make this decision consciously I I think that if the prejudice were smaller we wouldn't have a problem talking about it TZ let's get to a world where we can talk today a lot of people Say that there is a panic attack exactly and there is no impediment 1994 when I started talking about panic it was a scandal exactly it was like that Isa fresh disease created, you know , so I think things are changing, as you said,

I think the pandemic and almost it equalized us all, right, because everyone kind of got mentally ill, some more, others less, others already had it and things got more dense, so, you opened up the possibility of telemedicine, which didn't exist, so people, who today live in the countryside, can access a doctor online before There wasn't, right, so I think this is all progressing today, for example, I've never given so many lectures in companies about mental health, which in the past was like, I gave lectures on everything from nutrition to relaxation, I don't know what, but

no one called a psychiatrist to talk. Imagine this here is me the one that is excluded today because companies are, in a way, firstly because of determinations, you know, they are starting to see this and I feel like every time I talk about mental health in a company, as I talk about it, we can look at it, right? So you You know who has it, who doesn't have it, you keep quiet so much that I say questions at the end, you don't need to put a name, you don't need anything, you put a little piece

of paper without a name without an identity, you need it or else I ask to put it on the screen and the person just sends a question from an app does not come from the cell phone and Then I say Oh this one fart has a lot of consent I've already given some lectures telling my story of overcoming there are some companies that have opened up to this. Talking about mental health nowadays is already an evolution, now you have bipolar people talking about health. companies that really have an open mind, yes, but that's when they

open up for questions, there's one I'll talk about. They'll think I'm bipolar, exactly, ex, I'm a little embarrassed to even ask, right ? It's because this thing about raising your finger I think so, you said something so interesting, it's time to come out of the closet, you know, about bipolarity, taking bipolarity out of the closet is so personal, it's very personal, first you have to And you already have to, and you already have to, it's very well resolved And balanced. you already have to have any mental disorder you have To be the person who knows

the most about it, so I always advised my patients the day you know it so deeply that no doctor says things that still cause you what it's like, you know that right, on the contrary, we learn from patients Right, because when he returns something, it doesn't work. F swear, but whatever you felt, we'll learn when you feel that you have a head who is capable of talking about this to anyone. Maybe it's time because you have the power. of the knowledge of the self knowledge Exactly this is so empowering, right, we know who we are,

what the changes are, what the triggers are, to the point, I've had travel patients forget their medications, I've done that, not all of us, we forget at times. times out the day I traveled I was taking antibiotics I caught the flu I had horrible sinusitis, I forgot, I forgot, until today. That makes it easier, right? Because you have the digital recipe, today we have the digital recipe, you send it by phone. But depending on the country, I know what I do, I make two, and I have my own. Mom says you're crazy I make two

I say I really am I'm bipolar that's not it I only when I want When I want mom But I make two complete ISO kits one you carry in your hand and the other in your suitcase perfect because if the suitcase gets lost you were what am I saying, you lost your hand luggage, you have to have because this is a super tip it's a super tip fa a di This is a super tip for anyone who takes medication exactly, right, carry it in your handbag and carry in your suitcase exactly the same kit and

with the prescription because it's no problem in We used to do something all over the world, I still do it to this day, our patient, we make a statement in English, when the patient is going to leave the country, take it here, one with you in your bag, this one in your bag, along with the medication, then you don't even have it This one will be examined there, no problem, it's here with Cid it's in English what you take how you take it everything is ok and they never ask me I did it let me

know because there was a patient F like that oh b I forgot I'm here in e Luxembourg I said love you didn't have a place in Germany London because there was a At the time, I had a friend who was a flight attendant for British Airlines, so from time to time, She was helping someone there she said no but there is a pharmacy here that if you order it is from a dean You will walk in English because we can do it I said how wonderful when person Luxembourg I said no now really you got

me now you Lisbon Lisbon I don't know what What happens about 6 years ago, my prescription is available in several pharmacies, yes, it's true, so I thought, you have CR, I don't, but that's common sense. Once I needed something in Spain and I also had antibiotics. So I said look at me I'm a doctor, you're here, you're right, I'm here, you can see, right ? Poor thing here with a fever, no, you're a doctor. you have to take it you have to take it you have to take it and you have to justify it I'm

even more perfect you have to put the statement it doesn't cost the doctor to make the statement in English and wherever you are there is someone who will end up there and as I've had a patient that he was on medication and had no declaration forgot to ask I said for the love of God he was supposed to call at 4 am the phone rings I'm here in Texas in Texas the police want to know the medication ok ok I said just wait a minute Give it to me and I'll ask if I can give

it to your Cell phone the statement or what's the cell phone then the policeman can't be here Oh thank you very much, sorry and released, it doesn't hurt to make life easier, you have to expc see it and for example, there 's something that I just went to find out about it after even graduating the doctor who has his card has it in a pharmacy, he only has to present that controlled prescription, but we are not always walking with a doctor friend, right, when you are with a doctor friend you ask and then he presents

his CRM there and then they take it a copy and make it in your hand, recipe like that and it stays there because it can help, right, but you're not always traveling with the doctor so I was in Lisbon now to launch my book, right, in Portugal, it was there in Travessa, it was in Travessa, I I threw it on the São Paulo platter Paulo de Pinheiros and now Lisbon, I really like Travessa, it's a wonderful place, very tasty and so it was Wow, it was an immense joy for me, it was one of the

greatest moments and a highlight in my story as well, being able to take it there, I hope to take it to other countries S an ambitious pipolar sure no mason wasn't bipolar good right Not ambitious I think he's all bipolar he has a drive for life that sometimes comes in a disorganized way but it's there look what I found is there seed is there and there are times that she 's going to have to come abroad Tell me about this launch experience there in Lisbon, it was really cool, it's a different culture even though we

speak the same language, I think they're moving towards understanding, they're still behind, way behind Europe as a whole and I think there is much more lack of mental health there, it is very backward and there is this thing about going to the psychiatrist, it is a strange thing and so I think it was positive, there were some people who went there until the opening that I I made you see on Instagram I talked about a treatment that I did it which is very controversial which is electroconvulsive therapy which is electroshock or ST, right you must

have done it for depression but the one that no longer responded at all, right ? And then the psychiatrist came to me and even to my mother and said, look, I recommend electroconvulsive therapy to her, which is Good, known as electroshock, exactly my mother who died said no, my daughter Tom elracha because What comes to mind is that movie, that line of m luus in the straitjacket jumping on the stretcher uhum, right So that is one of the calmest Safe and effective treatments that we have for depression that is resistant to depression, especially depression that

does not respond to There's nothing like depression that leads you to catatonia, uhum, like paralyzing the body, people have no idea, but there are these spaces in catatonia, I don't know anything about it, it's because nowadays we rarely get there to this more severe degree because we have other resources, for example transcranial magnetic stimulation caused the electroshock to be reduced to a very small number, one I did TMS, it's exactly, but when it comes to catatonia, I didn't have catatonia, but I had conversion crises, yes, so I had it too, I lost movement, movement, Muscat

control, muscle control, fortunately, I already had a psychiatrist, I already had treatment, but they are contents that we can't deal with it goes into the body, right, it seems Like the general switch falls Exactly exactly, it overloads emotionally and you can't, right And to reach catatonia, it could have arrived, which is serious, it could be life-threatening, it wants to R because that The person no longer drinks water, they don't move around, they stare at the ceiling, the eye starts to get damaged. Look how serious it is, it's very serious and I keep thinking, these were

very common conditions 30 years ago because we had little resources. of treatment, the people who are training now, the psychiatrists, I don't think they've ever seen it. It's true, and it's important to know this because you can catch it. She doesn't want to eat anymore because she look and say, I can't eat her, she doesn't even speak, then you ask to write my uvula, everything here is rotten, she feels like she's rotting inside, it's very serious, so that's also an indication, so sometimes people, it's because The act was seen very poorly because it was used

for torture and it wasn't C for head it was to shock the physical parts especially In the dictatorship No today it's very calm I even compare it to an endoscopy because it's with sedation it's a sedation which is sometimes the same of the endoscopy itself, exactly there you have a muscle relaxant because you will have one you don't need to have that, it doesn't move and then you have there the impulse is Brando electric that generates a a a small seizure that resets the brain, you know, everyone starts to spin how to reset the computer

how to reset a computer and I I did eight sessions and I stayed for almost a year well that was unthinkable in my history at the time it was in 2017 so I since 2000 since I was 16 years old I came n Constancy of Suddenly I spent practically a very wonderful year, now then I had a very big trigger, stress, I got depressed again Uh, but I think it saved me in that specific situation, right, it's not a treatment that you end up doing, but in that situation there is a very precise indication Wow,

in Japan, it's very interesting, they're tiny machines, they're really portable. Look, the doctor goes to the house and takes the anesthetist to sedation because it's not an anesthesia, it's a sedation, right ? sure, yes Hey, good question, so where do I sign, right? I'm depressed, I'll make you sure, but there is a side effect that is undesirable, which is the issue of memory, right? So you start to have gaps after the treatment, gaps in recent and old memories, right? Everything comes back But it can take a few months, at the beginning, there it is, what

is magnetic stimulation, it doesn't work, right ? Look it's the opposite, right? But you also have to know how to use it, so for example you have to know when to use it, you have to start with magnetic stimulation, you have to be very careful because it can cause euphoria, for example in depression You You already know what bipolar is, when it's depression, only depression, you act in the F3 region, which is here on the left, which is the gold area, so you start to rise, but when we know there's a risk of bipolar, which

or tell a story, you say there is hypomania and this happens a lot, right when we debate the cases that we do you do F3 But You already start doing F4 together with a stabilizer exactly so this is all Subtle because you go with the protocol Ah, you're depressed, play F3, no, because if there is a world and people, the official protocol is still for depression, it's F3, I understand, but you can't because you have to counterbalance it to have the stabilizing effect, right, because you take the person out of depression, there's only unipolar depression,

it goes to PR stability, you take that person out of depression, they pass, right from the point, they pass, and you and you see It was interesting, right? You did eight sessions, your doctor did st, your doctor was very careful because there are patients, let's do 12, no, you responded with eight, I won't do it, otherwise you can turn to the other side. very common sense treatment to seek together with others is very artisanal so it is individual ex exactly And and this listening to the patient, I went through some psychiatrists and there came a

time when I no longer thought there would be a way out, right? I understood and then I looked a specialist in bipolar disorder that I I think I had good psychiatrists but there came a time when he treated me very focused and really Rescued me, how cool, no, I say bipolarity, it's so complex that it has to be someone specialized in that and another thing that made it a lot easier for me. I had a history, right, the people who caught me along the way, it was a partial report when I arrived at my last

psychiatrist, I had an 11-page dossier that we read along with all the medications I had taken, that's so wonderful, it's enough so our my whole story so He looked and said, really bipolar, like one, confirmed and we are going to do this treatment when I, he said this, I looked and said, I've already taken all of this, he said, but not like this, it's really an alchemy, right, an exact combination and we have to Go little by little and establish You want a little more water love ex I accept let's go Bru Let's go pipinho

reporter pipinho let's go this moment is a very special moment Bia, it's a moment in which we give a voice to our community right when the we started with powder pipo, we also set up a community called sustainable human being , which are people who like knowledge, right, you, for example, are a person who is an example Of this, totally sustainable human being, sustainable human being, you went in search of knowledge so you can understand, and then we introduce our guests to this community, like 15 days before they come here, we present their networks Where

will they get information about this guest, we ask them not to follow, just follow when the episode is aired And then they check your content above of yours and of your speech they they generate their doubts and they put them here and we give them a voice through you marvel well we can let's go bro how can someone know if they are going through an episode of bipolarity or if it is just an intense emotional phase this is a layman 's question because it didn't make the phase difference, but come on, I think sometimes we

say, what is normal, what is bipolarity, first of all, this question of you living in different energy phases, right? hard as hell, right? I have moments when I say Oops, am I wavering or for example, people also tell me, I don't know, my family, I go there and buy it, I love the jumpsuit, I bought one in each color and Is that not a con? not exactly, so for example, sometimes I'm deeply sad and then I say, am I depressed? In psychotherapy, I can understand that that's part of life, at the beginning I didn't know

that that was part of life, I only knew that it was depression, exactly, so I I think the we have and we have to be careful, you reminded me of something I had recently, a very cool experience with modulating techniques, a patient who has been coming for 10 years is dragged with her Parkinson's, look and interesting, parkson in her case, her hand is super normal but she has muscle stiffness, you know, so she arrived with a lot of difficulty and we started the modulation there, dealing with her and so the modulation that is was we

started with everything that is the track a is direct current this and then we play because na na na tdcs We is also a stimulus which is also a magnetic stimulation but it is differentiated like this and it you can eh you can take it somewhere you can it is portable you can eh cognitive training is there, playing, playing, in her case, I was able To take walks with her down stairs, which was more of a problem in her case, and she took the blindfolds off her eyes, wow, right? So when she arrived at the

tenth session, her daughter sent a message saying I'm worried because I think that mom wants to travel, it's euphoric with the family, everyone talked, I even talked to Bia first to find out and Bia said, super normal, Alex, a person for 10 years who has been there depending on everyone, suddenly she's walking, she feels safe, balanced, she wants to live the life she always has, so therapy is one thing, that's what I say, bipolarity, certain types of disorders, is something individual for each patient, we have to understand, you have to see in every situation right,

exactly because there are situations if you buy me a jumpsuit, one of each color, there probably weren't that many colors, there weren't 12, 12 colors, 13 weren't just that PR, a white one, a yellowish white one, a blue one, let's go, if you like this, you have that little money and it's at a good price exactly you in the United States love it would be like that miserable because they come with those things those packages have the kits come 30 of each thing I took Three I got an important one to say I took advantage

of one so no and it's that thing it's what Bia said is a jumpsuit if that day you arrived with three jumpsuits, three three shorts Everything, right, no, you like it, it doesn't make sense, you have meaning, it's your taste, you never put it on I also love jumpsuits, you never put on the jumpsuit, it's summer, so I love it hey and then you show up to me with four monkeys is there something wrong Oops, it's never arrested it's not true I had a time of coherence there was a coherence there was a time when

I was obsessed with red bags no one needs 12 red bags so Yes, that doesn't deviate from the standard, it deviates from the standard Fog of the standard, so that's why we keep an eye on it, right, it's one, it's very Subtle, it's very Subtle, and I don't . I have to be attentive all the time, all the time, eternal vigilance, you know, eternal vigilance, so that's what I tell people, wow, no, I'm bipolar, I'm always going to stay on top of it, so if I'm feeling sad, I'm going to try to understand myself, okay?

Why? that I'm like this now There was some triggering factor, it makes sense, out of nowhere, how it started, right, exactly out of nowhere, out of Blue, out of nowhere , then you already eat, there was no reason, it wasn't like that, right, in that sense, this Self-analysis, right, but it's a challenge, it's a challenge every day, right? every day next Bru D Ana Beatriz is it possible that bipolar disorder is confused with other conditions a lot of people even talked about you they talked about the comorbidity with alcohol intake there is the biggest confusion

I think it is with borderline disorder I think there is a lot a lot E for a long time I don't think it was done the diagnosis of neither bipolar nor borderline was like this, it's because the borderline also seeks you out because he's depressed, but it's a very specific trigger in relation to the affective issue, an affective loss, a frustration, acceptance of Out, it's not something like that out of the blue, yes right, depression is much more a reaction to frustration than an actual depression that reaches that point and almost doesn't leave the room,

it doesn't last for a while, right, and it's always triggered by something but something that can remind you of the disorder itself depressed the recurrent depressive Sometimes the generalized anxiety can I had it was panic syndrome Exactly because it started, right Burnout, I've been through It ah, it's Burnout exactly, right, it was Burn, the elderly patient, the anxious patient, he, he, he can be confused, you're telling me something I remember a patient who also started with Panic, started with Panic and I remember that there is something very interesting about bipolarity that starts, it seems that

each one has a trigger and a change begins Zinha, I remember that I took it I wanted It was very difficult for them to identify this because it was there that we had to intervene in an emergency and I remember that there was one who felt that hers was like this, she started to think that the house was all dirty and started cleaning in the early hours of the morning, but that way I I remember that her son was little, so Bia, mom won't let me sleep, she decided to clean the room at night, and

then I already knew that we're going to hold Brake, otherwise she'll go to Euforia Franca, there was another one that I remember that she she arrived and said this to me Doctor, I found out what you want now I know if there are things that I changed my behavior and it's already going very quickly, she went to me, she had this self-perception, I worked hard for them To have this, even if it took 2 or 3 years, I said, Be aware, there's something there that changes in your behavior, it can come out of nowhere, but

the change you identify and she There was one thing about her, her children went to school and she always went to the bakery 45 minutes before when the school bus was coming to buy fresh bread so she could have their snack and then she said when I go to the bakery I'll start and I she gave it to me and she got along great with everyone at the so-and-so bakery when she went and she started talking like this, you gave me the wrong change and then the person didn't give it to you . She always

left money like so-and-so, so-and-so, she said when I start doing this accounting that it's not mine, I'm not like that, I'm not that person . trigger but initial change in behavior is very individual, it's very individual, which is another thing, look at the challenge, right, borderline no longer has this characteristic, he's more unstable all the time, he's experiencing small frustrations, mainly aaaa not Having control over the other person's life as he needs from the other to validate themselves, bipolar needs much less from the other Bipolar is a is a much freer being, look interesting, this

is much less dependent, more autonomous, didn't you see what you said, I went to get it, I went alone because my parents weren't very accepting more aut he has Sometimes aade dependence but the family doesn't approve of that for him, vulnerability is very present, a very difficult disorder, right? It's difficult, it's complex, but when there is this attitude of understanding and knowing, it also takes off when it becomes a phd earring, yes, when we become a phd, that with us, everything flows It's true that everything flows, you really have to be informed, you have to

really go after it and today it's very accessible, right ? if you have to draw, draw if you have that giving an example gives because we change paradigms like this, it's true, it's a very Bia Bia Bia thing, right Bia Bia Bia Bia, that sometimes I still get that patient who has been in depression for a long time or the patient who isn't bipolar or borderline and He stabilizes he always has a ghost in his head that at some point I'm going to fall again and he has to understand that if he falls and is

there with the support of professionals and himself recognizing himself, he will get up because sometimes like that, who who of us We don't have anxiety, it's not normal, we don't have anxiety, we don't have anxiety, it's not normal, it could be P's maniac, so then the patient arrives and talks like this, I felt like yesterday I had a big anxiety attack and when you meet him, he's in therapy with you. You say like this, did you see how your last ones were, which is the timeline in reverse of your life, how was your last week,

did you go to a Congress, did you open the conference, did you read it and uh, did you give a talk, did you sleep little ? you reported that you felt super good and without anxiety and in the week next two days ago, before you came here, you launched a book, change your routine, it's also not normal, you had a little anxiety yesterday and there's something cool which is bipolar TST monitoring, there are apps and all that, you have a idea like that you got depressed you say I've been depressed For months ISO then you

go to the app You can even look at the graph of where you've been, right? Exactly that's so cool, cool, right? application, right, and it's so interesting that people ask you These indications are that, I think it's cool, it's also really cool for you, because it's registered in the app, it 's not your sensation. al because there are some applications that you have to take an intensive course to be able to use, it has to be practical, it's TR minutes, your mood there, the degree of what you're feeling and such D options and then it

really helps you understand yourself and this thing that you talked about Fear cog coggni cogni cogni and the principle of cognition is cogni And this thing about fear I lived in fear of depression and when you V you start to gain self-confidence that you are stable that you can plan something this fear will decreasing and it's really what you said we have a support team today so Eh if I get depressed if I fluctuate I have my psychiatrist I have a psychotherapist and in the USA I have the medications there it's different I'm not going

Having another deep depression is difficult, so that's what we're treating ourselves, it's really cool, and we're taking these possibilities of applications, right, it was unimaginable . exactly you give the floor, right, so you can step exactly next Bru, would you like to know if there are different types of bipolarity, if so, what are they and how do they differ Oh, that's cool, yeah So we have three types, right, type one I'm not and in the medical field, right, but I'm a scholar on the subject It's true that you said so we have type one type

two and cyclothymia that type one is when you have severe manias and depressions that can be milder But they can be serious and type two has a lot of confusion because the person has hypomania that takes away from the reality that you say bipolar Clear and simple but they can be equally serious exactly isn't it so people ah everything is lighter there is nothing light about being bipolar there Is no lightness about it it is difficult for everyone there is complexity without It's complex Hey, cyclothymia, which is something that I understand, I don't really understand

why I have hypias, but cyclothymia is a more chronic thing, right ? Look, it's subtle things, he says, but if you live intimately, you're suddenly in that more depressive thing, one day you're more like that, it's not that you're very happy, it's not that, but it's that you look like this but you were so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so

so so so so so the the the the time Ah, I'm going to go shopping, I don't know when I'm going Peg, I'll take the opportunity to catch a movie, oh, after the movie, we could go there for a pizza, no big deal because it can happen, but for that person it's not difficult to diagnose, right? Very, very Subtle, very Subtle people, and the We have something that is not exactly a type, which is a state, it is a mixed state, exactly where you have the agitation of mania and you have depressed thoughts, right, which

is the state, in my opinion, I have had the most dangerous of all of them right I'm sure you have the energy of mania and the Negative thoughts of depression, so it's a disease that I think is one of the mental issues that most lead people to take their own life, right? And this mixed state is very challenging in that sense. right, many generally when you start to treat a phase it is in the transition to balance, it is very difficult ex improves one thing but the other still doesn't because the thoughts resist more but

the release of the impulse is faster then So when you start medicating release the impulse if you do it alone antidepressants, for example, don't act as a stabilizer, you release the impulse but the thoughts are still negative, so you can set this person up against yourself against yourself, it's terrible, I've had it, it's mixed, that's right, usually in these changes in the correctness of the non-diagnosis medication yet very established, right next Bru, how food and lifestyle can impact mood swings in bipolar disorder, people have talked about this a lot, right, but I never get tired

of talking about it, which is super important, right? Well, food, we know today that excess sugar has an impact same thing, right? chemically, right And even I've heard a lot about How it's cool for you to eat protein in the morning, I think you reduce it because what happens I think Maybe that's what you're saying, if it weren't for you, correct me when you, for example, take a breakfast very rich in sugar carbohydrate bread pp man you get a spike in hyperglycemia and the spike in hyperglycemia can often make you agitated, look for example and

I see this in children, hey, I have a nephew, Grandson, who he has when he goes from time to time. when Oh I want one one biscuit then you give him He eats the package he goes into agitation action and he jumps out which I say people and then when Sometimes there is a party at the house he catches him and his cousin start eating the crazy brigadeiros, right they jump on the sofa I stay So, for the love of God, I'm about to get a protective helmet to see if it doesn't break my head,

understand, and soon the blood sugar peak will go down . it makes perfect sense Excess sugar causes a spike and it causes agitation in anyone, it destabilizes like hypoglycemia gives a little something so that's the subtlety of Intake and when you eat protein you reduce the glycemic load you reduce absorption, look, no, I don't. I knew all this but I've heard a lot that you should focus on protein at breakfast and reduce it because there are people who only eat sugar without realizing it because they go ooo bread, bread, jelly, juice, tapioca that There's a

lot of sugar, right? And then the person becomes like, oh my God, and they can't help themselves, they get that high, then in a little while, then they have that little crash. Then they eat more sugar to see if they get up, the sugar craving begins, no, and it's addictive, right? If I eat a sweet tonight I'll definitely want it too because when you get up it gives you that energy, Zinha, and soon you'll fall a little more, but I'm not kidding, right? But that's how I understand it, in England the term Sugar addict is

used. Look, M in Brazil uses this a lot term So this thing about you is rising quickly But that's not the food itself, it's the excess, that very high intake and then from Man, for example, look at how it impacts, right, and something that we used to say very badly about butter, right? It's true Today we were margarine, right, not margarine, forget it, but Mante is cardiologic, but it never was, right, but that's how I think they fooled us Ok, but we're already waking up, right, traditional butter and Gui butter, yes, they are very good,

it's funny There was also the question of the egg da Gema, my daughter, if you hear it kills me, I already had a heart attack leaning over because I eat three eggs in the morning, look, to start the day, it's wonderful, it's not very good for me, at least I'm a free-range egg, right? Yes, the lifestyle, you said sleep, especially sleep, it's one thing, how do you compensate like that when you have an event? delicious, right me? I love it burns a lot of calories it burns exactly well there comes a moment when we get

sore I went to bed I had to take a Dorflex but that's when it was too good that I always look at it, I'm not going home and then I got home you already know the time has to stop, right, I got home at 4:30 in the morning, it didn't go a little bit, it went a little bit, then you say, screwed the morning, screwed it, because then there's no point in sleeping at 4:30, waking up at noon, We can't do it I'm used to it and it doesn't look good then I go and sleep

a little more C but I can say it really impacts people like they get tired and so on, my mood fluctuates downwards, not for sure and it's downwards that starts to oscillate, right? Of course that if you don't sleep one night you can go crazy, right? Because it becomes a trigger, exactly, but I'm down, so it's annoying, but it's worth it, right? A little thing, not once, when that happens, the problem is when it's always n, because then there are patients. who talks like that oh no me No, I'm a Flamengo fan and on the

day there 's a Flamengo game I sleep later, but Flamengo has to play at least twice a week, if there's three in the Libertadores, then the creature said no, but that's weird, right ? You have to start reducing it, right? Because you have to see if it doesn't become a routine, exactly once a month, it happens, for example, what do you do at end of year parties ? and New Year in one week you have two parties that are caloric PR damn everyone stays up Late how do you do it I feel the difference If

not and you have some situations there it's a lot Socializing with the family is a lot of stimulation a lot T is a lot of stimulation right remember everything come from l to bring the aunt who brings it I don't know what it's really strong, the really good thing is to play with the children early and to put them to bed early because Santa Claus won't be able to arrive As long as there's confusion, but it's not just the parties at the end of the year it feels like December It seems like the world is

going to end, right? It's the company event, friend, you, your friends, celebrations, everyone wants what they haven't done all year, they want to do in December exactly And besides, people are stressed, going to the mall, it's a Too much lighting makes us lazy excess sound But that's it, it's all a trigger, it's a trigger, you have to be more careful, you have to be more careful at the end, you really have to be careful, I suggest you do your Christmas shopping well before September, August and if you don't have time, I always I say, make

the gift voucher, it's worth a gift later, true, good delivery in the box, look online too, right? Why don't we buy sneakers in October, everything will be full, right ? Indian for example lake region holiday review Lakes region lack of water everything happens because there are a lot of people, right It's so good to travel against the traffic, right, you spend almost 10 hours in traffic jams Pando, new I talk about this in my book about how much care you have to take to make it worth it from home. We have to see all this,

right, it's uncomfortable, right, wow, the airport is full, it's very close , Bru Bia, it's true, I think it's you, Bia, it's me, Bia, it's you, Bia, now why didn't you mention Beatriz, Bia, it's true that people with disorders bipolar they tend to have difficulties in maintaining relationships Look, I don't have any scientific data but I've heard that the frequency of divorces is higher with People with bipolar disorder I think there is a total possibility of you having a stable relationship first of all, if you've been treated wonderfully, you You have a normal life ,

according to the fact that if you have a partner there, it's not obvious that he understands you, right, so that will make all the difference, so it's possible, you have to see what the dynamics of that relationship are and That there is a trust, because when you trust, eh in the person you are with And she knows how to arrive when she speaks, see Right, I think you're a little more agitated, are you, do you think when there is this, it's a relationship that doesn't have that and the other person arrives, look, look at your

medicine, huh, look at your medicine, right? It's better to keep quiet, that's why I found that little video Vaname touched me, it's really cool, because that woman stayed quiet, you know, with her, you know, and he immediately , because she didn't put up any immediate resistance, gave him time, what am I doing? The more she reacted at that moment, the more he would lose control, exactly, he wouldn't grow up, and when he comes back and apologizes, crying, she was there, in a certain way, she certainly said love, let's go, let's see properly, right? They hugged

each other, right ? He was going to say, look, I think I failed , I think yesterday or so we didn't sleep well. It opens up another possibility. So, really, the relationship is here. We're talking about an emotional relationship, right, a couple, but I Think that all relationships but I think that all relationships, right? I think they can collaborate, so today I see that I have two sisters. Wow, how they help me, right? So this trust thing, right? Man, I'm calling you here with a question I was asking super well or you know how to

ask, right, what did you think of that, that's exactly it ? bipolarity with a lot of irritability, I even talked about a mother who was very aggressive in a mother and a daughter who they no longer spoke to each other because their bipolar daughter had this And then the mother found my book Look what an achievement for me she found my book in a bookstore, read it, gave it to her daughter, the daughter read it and they started talking again how beautiful this is, she was able to understand what her daughter was going through, right?

And at that moment we see that things are making sense, right? How beautiful this is, right? Very beautiful, it's beautiful, close Bru, medications are always necessary for the treatment of bipolar disorder or are there people who can control it without them No way, I Always say this, it will always be necessary, it is always important that the person understands this, right, and understands that they can circumvent the side effects through behavioral changes Yes, they are there, but They won't determine your trajectory, your exact trajectory, it's not easy, it's not, but what's easy in life, right?

But that's what I say, people, don't give up, exactly, you know, it's a little bit, you know, you start taking a walk, but sometimes that's exactly it. take a walk around the exact block and it's cool the person says F you have a friend, a person to talk to, so talk, talk is healing, right, impressive, it's listening, right, because people start isolating themselves, they keep it to themselves a lot, they have to change, I agree, it changes everything too next Bru, I would like to know if the symptoms of bipolar change over time and how

can someone with the disorder monitor these changes so it's cool that you can do this control exactly for yourself the app thing we talked about now a diary, right a diary I've always had it so interesting, right? have a notebook with which you can enter the date and putting the feeling of the day that is wonderful, Writing is also another wonderful thing but there are people who don't like it, right, but like this, but you put it, but you write it really monitoring Not exactly, but you put it like this Exactly, but you put the

feeling of the day, I think the feeling is so interesting that there are days when you have a predominant feeling of tiredness, a feeling of defeat, there are other days when you have a predominant feeling of joy for some reason, this is so important because we are not stable all the time, being bipolar and not being a human being, it already exists basic stability and I say this to respect for my book, my book is not just bipolarity Because I'm a person like anyone else who has the challenges of contemporary life that have ups and

downs So people who have no relationship with this and say gosh, I really identify with it, super cool, right? and so, that's it, everyone has some kind of anxiety, I think everyone has some kind of mental issue. I also think so, because the difference between mental illness and mental disorder is not qualitative, it's quantitative, it's how much it harms you because everyone we have instability we have ups and downs So that's why it is It's so possible when we have empathy and knowledge and a feeling of helping, generosity, it's so possible to put ourselves in

someone else's position I think It's true, of course you won't have a say in everything, you can get an idea, it's true next Bru What are the main differences between Mania and hypomania and how they impact people's behavior I think you spoke well about this Do you want to think anything else No actually I think we explored it cool next Bru What kind of prejudice people what kind of prejudice People with bipolar disorder still face and how it is possible demystifying the condition, we also talked a little about it too, but it's a character deviation,

weakness, laziness, eh, and so, ultimately, it's crazy, right, it's very sad. Last instance, so for us to demystify it, it's information, right, always, right, always, and that's how this stigma is understood. understand that this is what I try to do exactly with my speech from my Liv chew on your knowledge so that more and more people understand who has it and who doesn't have it exactly that people Oh but that has nothing to Do with it with me, ok, but it has to do with human beings, exactly, I think society needs to be prepared to

deal with all these issues, I also think, I also think how we need to be aware, for example, Ah, what about tuberculosis? take a look at a disease that comes back as a serious disease in places where there are a lot of people close to each other because the person has nothing to do with it, yes, but you can have an employee who lives in a community, it's true and you're feeling exposing the world is this big the connections are several , it's like, I don't want to know that because I don't have one, I

live in a large place, OK, but you live with people who aren't true, you know, so you don't need to be a doctor for that, a person has a chronic cough Wow, go to the doctor, see, I already had an employee who had a cough, I put it like this, dear colleague, where did she go, right? Please check the possibility of tuberculosis, this cough is chronic, I don't know what it was there, man, Oh, that's good, I'm going to ask for the test, probably if I didn't write that note, it would pass, it would stay,

I'll give you some syrup, understand? D syrup for Those with high blood sugar, syrup is sweet, it's true, I said it costs me, it didn't cost me anything to do this and there was, look. You understand, but it was like that at the beginning, so there was no need for anything, you know what it costs. It's true, I think what you're talking about is a Sina with a holistic look, like me, I'm still feeling a lot, I think it's distant, we know when we work with a colleague who is a doctor we see the difference

I started I went to college where it was a very cool college but it seemed like it was an individual job and when I met Bia and we went to work together, I mean they are two very close professions What doesn't differ a little is the medication, but so how much of a doctor today is he entering the market Ah, I'm going to do residency and then it seems like he stops being a doctor at all and starts being just that Uhum So that's what you 're talking about, syrup, look at how many things Sometimes

we It happens, oh, I'm here. I arrived in an emergency at the outpatient clinic. Take this syrup. Are you diabetic? Are you not you? You know, and I think that's a little missing, this common look at the patient. A look of being Interested in him, no. It's the cough he has coughing at that moment, true, it's a so it's like a person if a person is You have some disorder, you have insomnia, you're not enough for a person, you speak, you have bipolarity, no, you speak like that, there are times when you become more agitated,

more restless, do you have at times Sometimes Insomnia or a little out of control when buying food, you gradually go away. It's funny that I think that in the past you arrived with an anxiety attack, I went to the emergency room with an anxiety attack and then people said that you I was having a heart attack And today you're having a heart attack, they say it's an anxiety attack, exactly, it's just an anxiety about what you're experiencing, and people have stopped understanding that there is basic knowledge, which is how things work and how your body

works, if you have this knowledge basic you can deduce not the disease, none of that but there is something wrong in this aspect here and seek help I love medicine I would have studied medicine it is a wonderful knowledge I tell everyone as well as general culture it is already wonderful I have friends who studied medicine And they didn't go to work in medicine but no one If you regret knowing knowledge, then it's interesting, I love it, I know myself well, I have a lot of asthma, which I deal with, you didn't go and look

to understand a little, when you see someone with a difficulty, if you're close, look, see clearly, it could be Asthma, right? Talk about looking for the doctor opposite your health care provider. He says you have asthmatic attacks. At least they will research what it costs us to do this, right? But how do you deal with it, right? who deals with bipolar disorder, you talked about therapy, precisely who has it, right? I don't understand what you said, Bia, how do you see the importance of therapy for those who deal with bipolar disorder ? It's not like

the family, who deals with the family. partner, partner, support network is a support network, I think you have to be together, I think you often have to go to the psychiatrist together for the next, uh, even if it comes at the end because often the person isn't not seeing That's it, right, and depending From the moment she is bipolar, she won't see really, really, right? You're in Mania, I'm great, wonderful, right? I've never had the best time, I'm afraid the other husband is bothering me, he understands that he needs attention, so I've had a patient

with me who talked like that, he's jealous of my energy because It's true, I said it like that, it's not okay, you're jealous, you're selling it, you see it like this, there's no sexuality, there's no libido and the husband and I already knew, I said So, that's my love, that's why I'm here with Bia, then I would even like to talk to her because I think I need some support. Look what a wonderful husband you know, but then you have to be close, right? Because sometimes we see what is it that the person is not

seeing Exactly exactly close Bru ah we arrived at a very special moment Bia is a pipinho moment who is our mascot son of Ana Beatriz he likes to listen to good content like this right And then he picks up words it 's yours content what was said here today and he gives his mother to throw these words at you she will throw the word whatever comes into your mind you talk about it Free Liv Association if I don't see anything step I can pass it too no problem democ ok ok no It's for fun, okay,

let's go, Happiness is a human state, so when I talk about bipolarity, mania, you can be happy, it's not just in the state of mania that you will feel happy, so happiness is a human thing that happens. with everyone it's not a permanent thing, right? Uhum but everyone can and has the right to be happy Dev two fundamental self-knowledge one of the most important things that we have is the mental issue or not, right It's knowing three confidence confidence we have confidence in ourselves in the on the other, right, and relationships of trust , which

is very good, right, you have a person on your side that you can trust, right, you talked about your sisters, right, my sisters, exactly a relationship of trust, four, if you could change something in the world, what It would be if I had this super power, that's prejudice, right? We 're talking a lot and it's not just prejudice with the mental issue, right, all the prejudice that there is in the world, that would be wonderful, right, pressing a button, for sure, for sure, because prejudice doesn't help anything, it just gets in the way, it's a

preconception, right, so if you have a preconception, it's It's better for us to study And have concepts because prejudice only gets in the way of life's purpose Look, I didn't have it anymore and I had this chance, this possibility of taking my difficult story and making lemonade out of lemons and having a purpose of helping people, I've always liked it. to help people, a lot of people came to me bipolar, right, but I had a Lucidity, I think that discuss and empathy, right, discuss empathy, right? It's really very empathetic and then I was already so

I have the possibility of expanding this in my life, a life purpose that I didn't know I wanted. you had that I had that I would have more in this life perfect six love Oh I think it's everything, right? Love is what moves us, I think it's what brings us Fel, this connection, right, with everything, right all this in love with one by one idea by one by a book for a book there, people, the fruit of love, the book, the fruit of love, right? The Passion of wanting to talk, right? I wanted to communicate

seven Complete the sentence Mental Health is fundamental eight self-esteem self-esteem is not an obvious thing and not something we buy on a motivational course, right? and it's something that's from the inside out, we can do 1 procedure and here I Did some waves, it's beautiful, beautiful hair But if we don't like who we are and feel good in our company, that's a big challenge, but It's the most important thing would be self-esteem right This liking being who you are being with who you are I didn't always like who I was, right I understand Perfectly perfect

a bus self-esteem m is self-esteem nine resilience resilience I think that's what brought me here at the perfect people pod right, because at several moments in my life, I could have given up, for sure, and it would deprive us of this moment, this wonderful moment, thank you , and 10 a sentence or a thought you would like, it could be someone's, it could be yours, bipolarity does not define us, we are not the disease because we are human beings that there are all the challenges of life but we're not just bipolar, right? It's something we

live with, it's a relevant part of who I am but it doesn't define me, eh That's funny, you said that, eh, bipolarity for you was not the end, it was a new beginning. right, in a way, so, hey, I had this dream of writing a book, I wrote it just for myself, but it was and I went, how did I write about what I was going through, and how am I going to talk about it? About what I go through, you know, with my stories, I kept them and it was hand in hand with bipolarity

that I realized my dream of writing a perfect book, little gifts, we have little gifts, oh, there's a little gift here, which is the happiness that I wrote during the pandemic, there's the depressive minds that I touch a little on very subtle bipolarity there is the book here by Alex which is neurofeedback in TDH treatment neurofeedback is one of the techniques one of the cool neurula modulations to know more cool there is it here my son new coming out of the oven Look, what an honor it is for me, there are 365 sentences of mine

that I reflect on a little and ask the reader to share that thought with me and always put it down What was the feeling that awakened me and make some notes? divided by seasons of the year each season has a color but you can open it in any The important thing there is for us to put one of the 3 so we can run the 365 days in any order Ah, what a sea of ​​love, how cool is that? so I hope it gives you good reflections, I'm sure I think I did this because it

has always guided me a lot, this thing where I Always stopped at one point during the day, usually in the shower and I said, What was the feeling of my day today, what was the phrase I defined would go that way today and it ended up becoming a book because I wrote these phrases but I said I'm going to make a book of phrases how ridiculous and then I saw that the book wasn't about phrases it was about time for me What a wealth, right and it's like If everyone took care of themselves like this,

I would give 10 a few minutes per perfect day, I hope you like it Wait, don't end up with this present, here's an ecobag for pipinho, okay, it has our message, make it happen, inspire, you can write down everything because writing loves writing down beautiful I love I love the notebook here is a mug for you when you drink your tea or coffee to remember the cool people and there is also a pipinho kite powder brownie no no no no great great people, thank you very much, that's it a gift you have no idea being

here But it's an honor for us to welcome you Okay, but that time when you're going to look at this camera to give all your messages isn't over, you don't even need to look at us, we're going to stay here and talk about your networks, Your projects Everything You Want forget about us, look, I can show you the book, of course you can, you should put it on the screen too, okay, let's say that here it's much better, it's there, it's perfect, well, I want to thank you , this invitation to be here like this

is really a highlight for me, being able to talk to these people wonderful Ana Beatriz, the Alex that I am big fan and being able to tell a little of my story , talk about the challenges of bipolar disorder and show here, present my book, right, bipolar, yes, crazy, only when I want are stories to read, laugh and cry, so it's something that's light and that's for everyone because I think everyone has ups and downs I don't just talk about bipolar disorder I talk about issues that we live with, right in our contemporary life with

humor you can find the book in bookstores and on the Amazon website I'm on Instagram @bi garbato I continue my work of informing welcome and tell a little about my story to generate identification so and write to me because I respond to every message because as I felt very alone in my journey I really wanted to have someone to talk to I Really wanted to have a patient book so I could understand that I wasn't the only one that I wasn't crazy So I have this mission and I'm there to welcome all of you dear

ones, we're finishing another pod of People And today it was with this dear Bia garbato, if you don't know, I suggest you com start following her on Instagram you know why, she will give you a lot of information, information from her own experience about bipolar disorder, about humanity, about the instability of what a human being is and how to deal with it all with affection, knowledge, self-knowledge and overcoming, here at pod people na pod people community we just believe that knowledge and self-knowledge can actually revolutionize your life in any situation if you are not subscribed,

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