Who's hurting you more? The person who once hits you or you hurting yourself by going over that event over and over and over, and over and over again. It happens for us and not to us, and everything is here to bring us home. Everything is here to wake us up. The whole world is the kindest universe, which is here to wake us up in spite of all the cruelty and the nastiness that we see on television going around the world. But it is all here to wake us up. Guy here, welcome from a podcast, and
yes, I'm in a very different setting today. Look, this might be a longer intro than normal. Uh, this timestamps blow, so if you wanna just skip to it and Get onto, um, a podcast with Han. Willem. Go for it, which is a fantastic conversation today. And we get into the topic of karma of all things and many other things in the spiritual journey and everything. Um, so I have no doubt you'll get a lot out of it. But why am I standing with a very old shed behind me and here, uh, trees. I'm actually in
the house I grew up in, in Wales. I'm here by myself. My family is still in Australia. I've flown on to help my mom out and, and I realized on YouTube there's a lot of conversations on my podcast, you know, with everything else. So I just wanted to give you a little glimpse into my world, uh, for all you guys. I kind of tuned in on a regular basis. Anyway, there's a lot of life lessons in the shed. It made me think, 'cause I actually built it with my dad about 20 years ago now, and
it was the first thing I saw when I walked home. I went here for about another two days. Before flying to Bali for our retreat. But anyway, the reason why I share this show with you why it's, I'm so fond of seeing this here now is 20 years ago I was at a crossroads in my life is when I was about to immigrate to Australia and I had about six, seven months up my sleeve before I was gonna make the big move. And at the time I was reading conversations with God. I remember that. Book
stood out to me at the time The Alchemist was another book. Um, and I was, you know, going through that transitional journey, um, as we all do another phase in my life and. When I came back I was offered a, some really good money to go and work in London at the time and it would've really helped me set myself up to go back to Australia. But my heart was saying just come home to Wales. My dad had been working away most of his life and he had just moved back and I thought, you know,
the right thing I really need to do is just come home and spend time. With my mom and dad and help 'em with the house if I can. Uh, even though, um, the fear in me was saying, go to London, take the money and set yourself up in Australia. You know what I mean? But I came back and anyway, um, I built this dad, this shed with my dad through the summer and this literally falling apart. Now I've emptied it 'cause my dad's passed now 10 years. Um, but when I think of my dad, when
I think of these memories, I. This, um, is incredible. It still fills my heart with so much love, and these memories are with you for life. And it was a really valuable lesson for me in that point in my journey to really trust and surrender into what all these, you know, teachers and, uh, were talking about in these books and philosophies. And, and for me, this is where, um. I, I was just trying to really take action and embody the many of the teachings that they were speaking of. And, um, it was beautiful and we
ended up doing the bathroom. We ended up doing the, the roof and, and to this day, these memories of just this time that I really got to know my dad as well, where back then. Um, I grew up, like I said, he was away a lot, so it was really, it was really great bringing that back in. So actually being home and going through everything is, yeah. Such a trip. Such a trip. It literally just took a, a walk through up into the hills where my Mates farms are and stuff, and that. Yeah, it's just,
yeah, it's gorgeous. Really gorgeous. But anyway, I thought I'd share that with you and, and to ponder about where in life. Uh, you or we, you know, making heart based decisions and stuff that honor our heart and soul to actually are, they're just based in fear and based in, um, I. This way of moving through our life, um, without being able to lean into trust and surrender. I guess that's what it boils down to. And my life looks very different these days now because of, um, these lessons in life and actually taking them on and
yeah, I just felt very nostalgic. Some morning I felt quite emotional waking up and. Uh, I just thought I'd record this intro 'cause I forgot to record the intro, um, before I left. Um, yeah. And can't wait to connect with my family. Get, get to the Bali Living Flow retreat and yeah, keep life and adventure, keep it excited, keep it moving forward. Anyway, let me know, um, if you are still watching in the comments, like, have you done any heart based decisions instead of, you know, what, what lessons have you learned? I. Use the comments
to connect, share, or let me know where you are in the world as always. And, uh, yeah, maybe one day I'll meet you somewhere in person and connect and have a proper hug and a chat and say hello. Um, yeah, we'll be in Croatia in November as well. So it's all exciting. We got Australia retreat through the year, um, up and down the court. Yeah, New Zealand be there. Exciting times. Anyway, much love from me. Enjoy this podcast with Han. Um, if you're still watching, thank you. And go with the shed. Do you like my
handiwork? God, it is legal part. anyway much love. Han welcome to the podcast, my man. Are delighted to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me. It's always a pleasure, mate. It's always a pleasure. It's interesting, I've been slowly exploring your videos and your work and, and even though we've not met before, you always start to feel like you're getting to know someone through technology. It's a fascinating thing and I I look forward to getting to know the man behind it all today. Well, I'm delighted to be meet you and to share this with,
I've got a lot of, uh, friends in Australia, a lot of subscribers, and so, so it's exciting to connect with Australia again Marvelous. Well, the first question I love to ask everyone is that if we were at a intimate dinner party and you sat next to a complete stranger and they asked you what did you, what you do for a living, or what is your greatest passions, how would you reply to that? Well, what I did for a living I still do is actually to be a writer and illustrator for books. I've published hundreds of
books, uh, over the last 45 years. Wow. That's what I do and that's where I make my money with, and which I thoroughly enjoy. Which is also my passion and my delight and my joy. Uh, but on the sideline I also have studied, uh, the spirit, many spiritual path over the last 60 plus years, very much so the last 40 years, a very unique path, which was given through a woman in Germany. Her name is Gabrielle, or was Gabrielle. She died last year and for 50 years she gave for me the highest. Spiritual teachings I've
ever seen anywhere, and I've done many, many different path. I have followed that as my personal interest and, uh, have not intended to share this with anybody because I always believe that spirituality is similar like Religion or even political affiliation. You keep it to yourself. You don't necessarily run around and share it with other people. But a unique, um, situation came up when my father was dying, uh, many, many years ago. Uh, and he didn't believe in life after death. And as he was dying, I had an opportunity to be with him for the last
few hours, I just told him, uh. I know that you don't believe in life after death, but just in case there is existence after death, these are probably the 10 things which you may encounter, so don't be surprised. And he listened to it, smiled, and then a few days later he Died, and I totally forgot that. And it was only five years later when a total stranger came up to me in a bookstore, tapped me on the shoulder and says, hi, my name is Roland and I am a medium. And as you came into the
bookstore, your father came right to me, a spirit and told me, go to this man and thank him for what he told me, because everything, what he said was true, and it helped me so much on the other side. And then he said he's now working at the receiving site of Swords, which after died. he is, he says, would I please write books about it and share what I know with other people as well? And I gave it some thought, and I didn't want to write more books. I already have done enough. I thought, uh,
remember myself when I was a teenager. I'm desperately looking for. about why we are here, where we are going to do we come from. And I thought, I want to approach the young people. And at that time, this was 12 years ago, the YouTube was the way to go. So I created very short YouTube because attention span of today's people is short, sort of five to 10 minutes long. YouTubes where I illustrate. My, uh, my spirit, my understanding of the spiritual laws. Like for instance, what I have here, I show in my drawings of how
karma works, how somebody hits, and then this karma ed in the Akashic records on The planets and eventually comes back. And when one sees these things visually, all these spiritual laws and dynamics. Become very clear, mostly to myself and also to a lot of the viewers. So I make now these videos, which I thoroughly enjoy because I learn so much about it. um, and by sharing it, I know it helps other people too. That's in a nutshell. That's amazing. And I like, I was browsing some of your videos last night. I was just, I thought
I could go in and have a look, you know, just to do a little bit of research for today. And mate, the, the amount of work that goes into those is incredible. Like, how many of those videos have you done in the last 12 years? Do you know? I think so 160 sort of, I max try to make one a month and so on. Yeah, it is a lot of work, but you know, there is, when you enjoy what you're doing, you never see that as work. Because I learned so much from it. When I
really illustrated, I learned myself, oh, this connects, this, connects. This makes all sense. And that's why I said this path, which I, which by Gabrielle gave us over the last 50 years is so clear and is so simple. And she always says God is. simplicity. And when you all put this together, there are no secrets. It's very obvious. There is no guesswork. It all fits together. And that I found so interesting and that excites me. over the years I have also tried a student of the spiritual path to sort of. Learn and, and take these
lessons into my life and, and try to, um, to live them. that has changed a lot in my life because now I see life very differently that over the years I've actualized these, as many of these Wow. still have got a long way to go. But just seeing these small little successes has helped me so much. And I know from other people who have also started those little baby steps is, wow, this is quite interesting how this works. So I'm, I'm intrigued by your journey and, and how you get to the, you've gotten to the
understanding that you have, 'cause you've covered so many topics and your drawings really do bring to life. Uh, uh, like they say, a picture paints a thousand words, and it clearly does when you are, when you're doing what you're doing. Where did it all begin for you then? Were you have, were you spiritually curious? Was it meeting Gabrielle, like the, the LA lady of. uh, when I was sort of a teenager, um, and I'm not a very happy teenager, I must say. It's sort of confused and, uh, uh, scared and whatever. Um, there was no,
I didn't believe in the. Of in the organized religion, it just didn't make sense that there would be a God, a loving God, and there are people who are rich and were poor, who are sick and there's war. What? There is no God. For me that didn't make sense, but it was only later when I. Uh, got involved in the material of Edgar Casey, the American sleeping prophet, when I certainly, for the first time heard about reincarnation and that Christ taught reincarnation, and suddenly this realization that Christ taught reincarnation, which means that suddenly it makes
sense why somebody is ill by somebody's rich, but somebody's poor, because it's all related to past lives and what we do. And suddenly everything made sense to me. It began to make sense. It just over the years became more and more clearer to me. But I was very confused. And when I was 19 or something, I was very lucky to come into contact through the transcendental meditation, which for the first time helped me to calm my mind. I realized I didn't have to think every thought. And I got so much empowerment through that simple technique
that within three months, um, I said to my parents, I don't want to live in Germany anymore. It's too rainy and too wet. I want to live in Africa. So I left Germany to Africa on my own. Didn't know any soul. I would've never done that had I not done the meditation before. At 19. so yeah, Wow. to, uh, I lived in Africa and then after another 12 years, I traveled around the world for two years and then eventually came to America where I live now. And in all these years I met wonderful teachers and
spiritual guides and, and, and had lots of interesting, uh, opportunities. But as I said, I thought this was. Something which is only for myself, and I never intended to share it, which I now do, and so far it works out all right. Yeah. Fantastic. So I'm just curious as well, because you, me, you mentioned, um, uh, we can move on from this 'cause I wanna get into some of the, your teach-ins. But with Gabrielle, was she a, was, was she a channel? Is that what you. Well, she was an emissary of licor. We call, also
call a prophetess. She was a very selective kind of high spirit being who came to this planet earth for the so, uh, for the sole purpose to teach the inner path as we call it, which is the path. Between the soul and God. So without any gurus, without any teachers, without any organization to join, it is really a path between you and your own divinity within yourself because the kingdom of God is in ourselves, and that's also where God is and Christ is. When this is a connection we should establish in this lifetime and draw
from the help and guidance which we have within ourselves, so not no outside force and no outside building organization, teacher guru, et cetera. That was very powerful. That's what she made a very clear, and after she died, she also made very clear and says, my teachings must not be taught by teachers. Or any somebody who thinks they know the path, let the book speak for themselves and the person will be guided by their spirit guide, uh, to do the right, uh, to read the right chapter and learn the right chapter. And all her, uh, works,
life works is in the Library in Germany. If you punch it in, you see more about it and you find her and her publishing house is Gabriel. A publishing house, but just look at the Sophia Library. Anybody interested to see all her books? So this attracts me very much and I had the opportunity to meet Gabriel Ala a few times in my life. Uh, she came to America as well and she was a very humble person. And you don't see any photos or anything of her. She didn't want any attention drawn to herself. It was
the material, the message that she had to bring. And having studied so many other messages from course miracles, from A conversation with God and all of them, there's nothing as clear and as easy to understand as this material. And particularly, uh, when you read other good material like Edgar Casey, you would've Steiner. Sometimes you have to read the sentence three, four times before Right. what it means. It's not easy to understand. Here, you've got very clear. The books are translated in many languages and very easy to understand. Well, this is so basic, the basis of
most of my videos, not all, because I'm not representing them in any form, I'm sharing only my own spiritual experiences As a student on the path as given. To us. So it is a real, it is my responsibility. I'm not speaking on anybody's behalf, and therefore, I am not trying to convince anybody. If somebody likes the video, likes the material, great. If it doesn't work for somebody, also great. I have zero interest to convert anybody or to convince anybody that this is the right path for them. Hmm. It's a couple of things. You mentioned that
one. I understand. I got a couple of Edgar Casey books on my bookshelves and they are a tough read. Like my, my, my vocabulary's not the greatest anyway, and I start reading those things and like, oh my God, what the hell is he saying here? Um. Which I understand. And the, the second point I wanted to make is that ultimately what you're saying is that we really have to find our own way to our own inner wisdom. And there's information out there that can help guide us, but unless we are applying it in our own
lives and our daily actions and our thoughts and, and applying the principles that. Or on offer, then we, we going beyond ourselves to try and find an Answer, which is ultimately within ourself, which I feel we, so we, we are so conditioned to do in Western society. Yeah, actualize what we learn knowledge with, uh, uh, can be I. be harmful. Uh, we have to actualize what we know because knowledge. there's this old story of somebody, it's much worse for a saint to step on a buck than for a, a caveman to kill a whole boy
mammoth because the saint knows they shouldn't step on a buck. So when we have all this knowledge, we ca and do not actualize it. We fall over our big head and, uh, make a mess out of it. The key is actualization. Knowledge is actually not important at all, No, no, it's fine. It's uh, it's fine. I was gonna ask you a question 'cause the delay sometimes in the recording. Uh, I'm jumping in before you finished. Um, so what have been the key principles from these teachings that you have found really helpful in understanding and applying
in your life that bring, that has brought you more joy, peace, and happiness? 'cause clearly you emanate all those things, Hans, you know. Yeah, I, I, for myself, I speak for myself. I discover through this path in other paths as well, why we, who I am, where I, where I'm coming from, that I'm a spirit being and, and I'm a perfect spirit. I used to be perfect spirit being who has basically, I. Fallen from the absolute reality like most of us around here and have fallen into the sphere, into the realm of space and time
contrasts and cause and effect. And this is now up to me now to slowly return back to the absolute reality. This is sort of in a nutshell, and by doing so, is to apply love again. I, we all have fallen and this is basically the fall of the angels. We have all fallen because we acted, thought and spoke against the law of love. And every time we acted against the law of love, we created what is generally called karma, which has to be balanced out. It's not a punishment, it's just something to realize this is
not the right way to do so. We experienced karma in this lifetime and previous lifetime and Future lifetimes, and so slowly we learn through the pain that we have given, um, to not do that anymore. We have two ways to learn either through insight. Which means I follow a sentence like Christ gave the 10 com, the gave us the Sermon on the Mount and the Golden Rule, and we have the 10 Commandments. These are the plain rules. If we would live by them, if we just live by the Golden Rule, we would all be in
paradise by now. But, uh, that is one way all we learn through pain, which means I, I heard you and somebody else was hurting me again. And that's just why we, that's maybe not a good way to progress. So it's a very simple way. So my return is back to the absolute reality. This is what I show in most of my videos, where we came from. We are all divine children of God created in whatever that is in his his image, the absolute perfect beings, but it's a number of the spirit beings Earlier creation have
decided. To make their own creation. This is the fall of Lucifer. And some, uh, the revelations say that a third of all spirit beings in the absolute reality decided to leave the absolute reality, but now they have seen. It doesn't work. It's painful, it's horrible. Other, we can't do it. We have to, we want to return back to the realm of harmony, peace, and unity. Um, and that's the driving force eventually where we now return back because this is what we are longing for. This is what we are wanting for, for the realm of, uh,
harmony, unity, and peace and love. Uh, this is where we came from. This is where we are going. So this is really in a very short nutshell, and anybody who would, uh, find this maybe confusing, I would like suggest to watch the video, the Path of the Soul. Which clearly states is what I said in a little bit more visually in the point. It is clearer to understand when you visually see that we came from perfection, we fell into this temporary reality, and we returned back to perfection. No, I'm listening on every word, your hands,
and. I'm curious to know your thoughts. 'cause you know, as we, we've come from perfection into this physical reality and we, uh, I mean I certainly reflected on my journey. We get fixated on, on the physical and we, it is almost like we borrow borrowing in deeper and deeper into 3D reality and which generates more, uh, you know, if you drink alcohol or you, you, you. Living lifestyles that are not supporting your, the greatest essence. What I've found is that it, it, it, um, ex I experienced more fear, most dis more disconnection, more anxiety, things
that felt very dense. So I guess my question is, is that, is this a necessary part of the journey as. Be it perfection to come through and borrow into the 3D to then have that Yearning to coming home and then leaning into more the, the laws of love and that essence of kindness and the things that you speak of. 'cause it, it seems like that trajectory, you know, of coming down through and having to come back out the other side is quite a journey. yeah, it's not necessary. On the contrary, the majority of souls that
have left the absolute reality has not fallen as deeply as we have. Remember, all of the. All of existence of universal is nothing but vibrations and energy. This is, we are talking about energy. Even meta we know is nothing but energy and vibration and frequency. the highest one, we can say laugh, and the lowest one we can call meta meta is Basically nothing than than condensed. Light ether. Light ether is another word for love. So. Many souls didn't fall so deep. They realized very soon that this is not a good idea. I would rather stay
here or come and come home. But some of us have fallen so much in versus selflessness that the earth attracted us and the Earth is. Not hell as such, it was a gift given to us by divinity because the planet Earth is very unique in the spiritual realm. goes by the law of like attracts like, which means that a Soul, a spirit being, um, is. Around similar vibrating spirit beings on planets, whether they are semi material, total spiritual, which are very much like the same, which means all the, the souls around you are very much
thinking the same, speaking the same, acting the same. And in that kind of environment, growth and progress is very limited because you only. speak to the converted already, this means negative as well as positive. Therefore, planet earth is very unique here. Source from all seven spheres of the purification spheres can incarnate. This is very, very unique. We have got very high evolved beings who can come here and lots of low vibrating beings who can un it here for a very short time, for roughly 25,000 days, which is Roughly period of our life on earth here,
because Earth is not our home planet. It's a school, and school is always limited. So we come here for a very short time interacting with lots of other souls from different spheres with whom we may have even calmer, calm ties, and we can solve them because they are now in another sphere than we are, and we can also interact and see other ways of life and can grow from that. So Planet Earth is a very amazing school. video. The Amazing Earth School, which I suggest explains it in great detail, why planet earth is so very,
very unique and for us to learn and to undo, uh, all that, what attracts us to planet Earth because as you mentioned, there is so much attraction vibration here on planet Earth, and we have to unfortunately let Go of being attracted by these things. Wow. So listening to what you're saying with the soul. Are we coming here to resolve, uh, the, the, the karmic laws or the karmic things that we've applied as a soul? And this is our opportunity for that purification. Is, is that one way of looking at it? I would say the majority
of people are coming here to undo their karma. Unfortunately, many are getting again, so stuck into the earth that the attraction of the earth that they cycle over and over again. It was not the attention of divinity that we over and over it connect back to planet Earth. Some people a hundred times, even a thousand times. is only one incarnation, two incarnation to clear up our karma. That is the majority. But there are also other people who come here because, so souls who come here, souls who want to learn something specific like love, like compassion,
like understanding, like caring. They have a special task and they want, they need this environment. And then there are again, also other spirit being sold to come here, who come here as teachers, as guides for others. So there are many reasons why. So it's incarnate to planet Earth, but the majority is here because of karmic reason. Now, they may not see that necessarily before they incarnate. They may be attracted to planet Earth. They can't wait to live this whatever, it's sex, drugs, or rock and roll, whatever it is. The soul, uh, love very much in
their previous lifetimes. It can also be fame, it can be richness, it can be power. And these are energies which this, uh, this which tie the soul to planet Earth Huh. an anchor. or if we have deep wishes, deep cravings for something like this, and we die before these cravings have been fulfilled. This craving is an anchor and can call us back into another lifetime. Wow. Yeah. So there are many reasons why solar here, and the thing is, it's very important also when we see people who are struggling or having a tough time. It's never
up to us to assume, guess, or whatever their reason is for their incarnation. We are only here to, uh, find out our own reason why we incarnate here. What is our reason here? And we may not be given a clear, uh, answer. This is the reason why you are incarnated. But from day to day. We are given what is called day's energies, and that is our building block of the day. The day's energy, which can be a phone call, it can be a text message, it can be your wife shouting at you. It can be
you truly killing the dog, uh, in the street. These are all moments which are related to past life experiences, and now it's the time to clear it from moment to moment. We are having situations and everybody has a different day. So every day is constructed out of these life energies. They're coming back to us. And in these energies, in this moment, when we do have the emotional responses or reactions to the situation, that is a moment when we can do our spiritual work, when we can learn to forgive, learn to love, learn to let go,
recognize ourselves, et cetera, et cetera. So every day is a teaching day. on Planet Earth Fast. In my video, the Amazing Earth School, it's explained of how this all works together and how these, uh, these components, these daily energy components are coming into our life. So could you unpack calmer a little bit more for all of us then? Just so we, we under your, your view of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's basic. As I said, every time we have acted thought, spoken against the law of love, we have acted spoken against our true self because we
are love Hmm. and we are basically light sheeted ourselves and we have to balance that out. And it comes out. Be either in, in something. As I said, when we do something negative, if I hit somebody, hurt somebody as lucky and destroy, let me go again. Uh, hit somebody that is steward in the soul of the of, of myself here, because I'm the evil one. Uh, and, and also in the soul of the person I'm hurting. It is recorded in the Akashic records. It surrounds the planet earth, which is everything is recorded in there, and
most importantly, in the repository planets of the materially and semi material universe. From where, when these move in a different consolation or full, it comes back, downloaded back to us in this lifetime or in next lifetimes. That is how karma returns back to the sender. And there I will now experience the very same thing, which I have given to someone else to balance it out and also for me to recognize. It's a teaching tool. Nothing else. As I said, karma, it's nothing negative. It's a teaching, it's a gift in a way if we understand it.
Therefore, when we are sick, for instance, sick is an illness, uh, or an illness is in most cases karma. instead of cursing it, uh, it would be helpful to understand And to appreciate that. Now through the sickness, this karmic debt is flowing out through me. And I'm free of it. It's like suddenly release you of your a hundred of your million dollar deaths. It's you're free of it. it. Embrace it. Celebrate it. It doesn't mean we shouldn't go to the doctor and heal it. That's another story. But instead of seeing it as something negative, it's
only an action to a react, a reaction to an action, which we have at one time set into motion. Wow. Well, just going on slightly on a tangent here, but it's just coming in, so I'm curious 'cause this kind of areas that I see often is with trauma and ancestral trauma that comes through as well, that can be affecting the way we feel, the way we think, and uh. The way of being on a day-to-day basis, how do you view that? And especially when that ties into karmic laws as well, could they be part of
karmic laws that as part of the soul's journey? Most certainly, in many cases when we speak of ancestors and so on, how do we know that we are not the very ancestor reincarnated again? Huh? Very often we, that's I. we, uh, we, we, we do give. What happens is if we are, let's say we are a killer, a murderer, this will also steward, as I said, in the genes, in my genes. Now, if I have make babies, that gene is in that baby, it will not come to fruition. But the, the next generation or the
next generation, the same gene of their baby at the baby's baby, when I then incarnate again. I have, again, a body with the genes which I left behind. So it just comes together again. And this is also with ancestor trauma. Uh, there is a coincidence why we are incarnating in certain families, because We can only be drawn to a mother of same vibration or very similar vibration. I am a murderer, there must be something in my mother also murderous or something. It doesn't mean she goes out and kill somebody, but she can kill herself. The
negative talks up, I'm no good, I'm bad, I'm evil, whatever it is. A lot of people have that. I. That is a self, a form of self murdering. Also doing drugs is a form of self murdering. So this element, this vibration must already be somehow in the mother. So like attract, like, so it is in the ancestors, in the family vibration. And then later on we incarnate. Maybe again, this whole vibration is still there, but anytime, any moment we have an opportunity to clear it, whenever that. Instance that trauma is hitting us personally, not just
in story of our grandparents, but personally, I'm suddenly facing with something which I think may be related to a trauma that happened with my ancestors. Um, that is my opportunity to go within have I cost it? What is the message here? How can I let go of it? How can I relieve it? And if I don't find the answers, we go to Christ within on the sixth chakra, which is the Christ book. In our prayer, in our meditation, this is my feeling. I need answers. I need help to let go. Is there anyone anything? I
have to forgive? In many cases, it's only a question of forgiveness. We have to let go of these things, and we have to really want to let go of these forgiveness and forgive other people who have heard us, and particularly when it comes to trauma and so on, that we always think that the other person is so bad, bad, bad, bad, and we are the poor victim. We are never ever a victim. What happens to us has a purpose for us to wake up and in greatest likelihood, not always in greatest likelihood, we have done
something similar. This on previous lifetimes, and now we have to experience how it is and if we stop only this idea of being a victim. I just remember Byron Katie said something wonderful. Who's hurting you more? The person who once hit you or you hurting yourself by going over that, uh, event over and over and over and over and over again. Who is hurting you more? Who is hurting your has hurt you more Stop being a victim. It's another video I have on that we realize that, um, everything is here as bio again says it
happens for us and not to us, and everything is here to bring us home. Everything is here to wake us up. The whole world is just a kind, the kindest universe. It's a kind universe, which is here to wake us up in spite of all the Cruelty and the nastiness that we see on television going around the world. But it is all here to wake us up. Yeah. Wow. It's certainly a journey. Is it? It's not easy, you know, it's No. that's for sure. And, and what you speak of. Awareness, isn't it really? Ultimately, I
wasn't even aware of any of the things that were going on Under the surface earlier in my life. It, there was just complete disconnection. I wasn't taught it. Nobody was there to guide me to it, you know? And, um. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's not hard to look out into the world and see what the, why it is the way it is sometimes when, when you look at who are the people around us supporting us, guiding us, and teaching us into greater wisdoms. Um. Yeah, and the other one's a politician and so on who have no
idea, who, again, Don't know what motivates them, what is underneath, who is driving them. And we are, con talk can talk about possessive spirits, who is driving them to make these sometimes very bad and crude decision where a lot of people are suffering. Uh, because as you say, nobody has really taught us this thing that moment in our life is an opportunity to become free. moment is in way to make us grow more and to become more who we truly are, that loving person. If we just only look at the situation and see the situation
as a gift, even if it is horrible, like cancer killing, whatever, but we are eternal cosmic beings. Nothing can destroy us. Hmm. You mentioned there's a loop in the back of my mind that you mentioned earlier on, uh, you, you spoke about the seven spheres, I believe, as souls came in. What, what were you referring to? The spirit of God, if we use this word on which everything is based on which all creation comes from, the highest frequency consists of seven powers of God. And this is very difficult for us to really grasp because this
is a seven dimensional reality and Gabi uses these seven, um, energies, uh, and gives them words or characteristics that we can understand too. The first one is order. The next one is Will followed by wisdom. Earnestness, patience, love, and mercy. these are the energies which create, which are all doing all of creations. And everything has these seven elements, which is created in divinity. And we ourselves, if we want to return back to divinity, have to go these seven steps, which means have to start with order. We have to bring order into our life, into our,
where we live. And most of course, order into our head in our way of thinking, because a house can only stand on its solid foundation and an orderly foundation. So the first task and the first schooling is to bring order into our life. next one is. To realize are my, myself, will versus divinity will. God's will, which means ego will versus the will of love, the will of unity, harmony for everyone. That's the second level, and then comes the next one is wisdom and it grows. And every step, the wisdom comes again. Where we manifest,
where we learn to use. Uh, our powers in a positive way and create through it and et cetera. It goes up to finally to mercy. So it is a progress because we have left our absolute reality through, through these seven uh, powers, and we now have to bring these, uh, awaken These seven powers in our C seven powers are identical to the seven chakras in our body. From the bottom to the seven. So we have to open one chakra to the other by opening ourselves up, by becoming order again, wisdom and will and so on.
We are opening up also these chakras and then that energy of life can flow through our body far more. Profoundly more healthy and more powerful until we opened all up all our chakras. So all these words, chakras, karma, and so on. Sounds very Eastern philosophy, but it is all material that Christ has taught, and that is something which was very new to me when I started off to understand that. And, uh, yeah, that is how, how we basically learned through all these wonderful teachings which were given I love it. Do you have a video on
that one by any chance? On. On On the, on the seven chakras related to the seven energies related to the, they're all, of course you do. Seven seven chakra. Sure. Yeah. I have that. And it was, yeah. Yes. And it was interesting, just on the sideline, this is a bit of Hmm. help us necessarily, but to understand the role of Christ when the. Fall so bad that eventually the chakras would turn backwards. means that all of evolution would be dissolving. That was a moment when Christ came to this planet earth and implanted his Light into
every soul and of the four lower spheres, um, in, in our heart region, next to our heart region, which is the earnest and chakra. And that stopped the further degeneration of our chakras. this kind of teaching you wouldn't find anywhere else. I mean. not, I shouldn't say that. There are, meanwhile I know two other sources, uh, uh, I met personally, uh, in my lifetime, who. Also channeling the same information that came through Gabi. But Gabi is, is superior because Gabi was a really teaching prophet, is the others also have the access and teach the same
thing, uh, but on a much lesser level. So, um, for me, I found because of knowing other people as well, bringing In the same information, I find a lot of confirmation for myself for that. I, I've not heard it been put like that before and, um, it really resonates. So, just to recap for myself as well, so I understand what you're saying and for everyone listening is that the, the chakras then. By starting to become aware of the chakras and putting our attention there, we can actually start to reclaim those seven energies we speak of
that we left as a soul to come here into 3D reality, into this dense form, and we're starting to bring that energy back. But at the same time, we are clearing karmic energy that might be withheld within us or the soul or the vibration. Is that one way of saying it? We are. Ourselves up to these seven Mm-hmm. and opening the chakras by clearing our karma. Right. The karma are like rocks on a well and the well can't really flow. But every time this daily energy comes into our life and we are suddenly facing throughout
the days from different small in instances bad, is a little rock there, which can be cleared up. And the more we clear up our karma, the more the well of life spring is, is in us, uh, a flowing and this. Then order will and wisdom and so on, they all are flowing again. only by undoing our karma where our negative or anything we have Done against the law of love, we are doing is opening ourselves back to love again of who we truly are. There is no real much secret about it. It's all very simple.
If you think about Totally. it, it's in a very simple, obvious thing. Uh, at least, it is. for me too, I mean, you know, you would know this, but like, when I was starting to lean into my journey, I was for, I didn't even understand what a chakra was really, but I was really drawn to meditating on the chakras. That was my version of a transcendental meditation or something. And I would sit there every single morning and just start working through them. And over time I was. Gobsmacked by the amount of energy that started to
want to move that was releasing old emotions, traumas, things that were starting to to release and still do to this day. It blows my mind how many little rocks I keep appearing and letting go. But also it's opened me up more and more to the divine and I feel that connection and my default space is much more a loving, peaceful being than a stressed out. You know, fear driven person, that, that, uh, held a lot of loneliness. That was, you know, the first half of my life and it keeps Opening up to it more and
more. So I just find the whole journey, the whole thing. Fascinating. And it's through those experiences, why I am, I'm so curious and to speak to people like yourself and, 'cause there's always more. So what you're saying is, would you be fair to say some people carry more rocks than others then in this. Yeah, I think we all have a different, she of rocks and so on. Yeah, some carry more. but again, we should also be very careful to, to judge Yeah. maybe having a very difficult life says, or maybe he has got more karma.
That's not necessarily the case. There are souls who incarnate here under splendid earth, of love for another. soul in the spiritual world, who has loaded, who has burdened himself so much that it would take eons of times to undo this karma. So another higher evolved soul comes out of love, incarnates, and carries the burden or the Wow. of that beloved soul. It's very similar like a mother. Whose child gets very ill and she may says, oh God, I mean, let's don't take my dad, let me become sick, but not the child. You know, there's really
love, which you do, do these things Out of really love for someone. So some people, and we can see this with a lot of handicapped people, um, who may be, uh, sort of very deformed or, and, and rollers and in wheelchairs and so on. not necessarily the person with a karma. It can be someone else carrying the soul's burden for another soul. It's something quite amazingly, but the more we understand how love works, the more sense it makes. Hmm. What do you feel or believe happens to the soul once it's reincarnated enough? And let's say
you get to that point where you come here, you've cleared all your karma, you, you, you act by the laws of love. You're, you're in the space. Then what, what happens do you believe? How does this all continue to evolve? While you evolve through the four le lower levels and then the attraction to planet Earth is no longer there. you apply, you don't need to incarnate anymore or neither. Is there anything on this planet earth which really attracts you. This like sort of our sensuality in many forms and ways. And then the progression of, uh,
learning goes up in the higher levels, and then you are pulled by the guard energy up to the fourth level. At the lower level, you are put by the magnetic enemy of the earth to incarnate again. And when you have reached the fourth level. Then you are pulled up by God energy. So again, like attract, like this old log goes totally and works in every field. So, uh, the soul will continue learning until it has truly purified itself. And all in these spiritual realms, there are many, many of these rhymes, sub rhymes, and so on.
Rounds. are teaching angels who are helping us to understand and go further and further. These are also experiences which we have during our sleep. When we dream very often in our dream time, we are going to. we can call classrooms in the, in the spiritual world where we get taught during our sleep, we get taught about the spiritual reality. We forget this in the morning, but our subconscious remembers and our, our Conscience conscience remembers as well. So when we have a situation where we have to decide good or bad, our conscience may help us with
the memory of either schooling we had during the night to make a better choice. Hmm. How do you view, um, I, I, I dropped into one of your videos last night that caught my attention, which I don't, I don't even know why. It just, I was just drawn to it around the connection to animals and the connection to plants, connection to rocks and everything is. In communication with us if we choose to listen and choose to connect with that. How do you, how do you view that part of our evolution and the souls of animals,
and do plants have souls? Like how do you start to see all these things fit in with one another? In my video all about animal, I show that in the spiritual realm is evolution. the planetary stars, but also evolution and the evolutionist stages. We go from the mineral, from the, from the ized atom, it goes into the kingdom of the minerals. eons of time, the, uh, mineral goes through all the different mineral forms. They then enter the same kind of entities, uh, goes into the. King plant, kingdom, plant king goes through the whole plant kingdom,
then it goes through the animal kingdom. And when that, and, uh, and at, at the beginning, it's sort of a group entity of the animal, but later on it becomes a half soul and uh, half spirit. Then after it has gone through all these phases, it becomes A, uh, uh, a nature being. We know the nature being the normal selves and so on, the divas and so on. And then the next step is then it becomes a spirit being, uh, um, uh, a son or daughter of God. When you see this, uh, visually of how
it happens, it's quite logical, which means that you and I and everybody else went through all these stages. And that our brothers and sisters are not just only human beings, but also our, animals, either that animals or our little brothers and sisters. They look at us, they look up at us because they know one day I will be one of them because they know about evolution. One day I will be a higher spirit being. Like we used to be. So therefore, it is advisable not to eat meat and respect that and to stay with the,
they become vegetarian or, uh, vegan if if possible because the animals are nothing but our brothers and sisters. And because we went through all the stages of the plant, mineral, and animal kingdoms, of the essence of these animals and plants and kingdoms is in us. Furthermore, God's uh, Christ said the kingdom of God is in us. So all the essence of every being is in us. if we are really attuned, so I'm told I haven't developed it yet, we can totally communicate with every life form around us in this lifetime, in this sea and planet
earth, as well as into other, in other spheres. So that's why how to my, my other video of how to communicate with nature. It is very much because it's all in us, and this is, these are not strangers. We went through all the stages and we can connect with them and we see them as something just earlier stages of ourselves. Do you feel then like it. So two, two days ago, my, my wife comes running in, I think I, I just got up and she said, there's a six foot python out on our fence, right?
And we've just moved here. And that's our first python we've seen since living here. And he was sitting on the top of the fence by the washing line loud, just. Proud, just fully on top, just slowly making his way. And, and I took my daughter and we're all looking at this pie thing going, oh, it was so beautiful and majestic and in my world it's like, that's no accident. That that's a, that surely that's a symbol or a connection. Like how do you view these things when these things happen because it's so random. Do you
believe that there's a message there, like for us. uh, Gabi said over and over again, there are no accidents in life. Everything is a reason. I spoke earlier about the day's energy. That encounter with that snake was no coincidence. That was clearly meant for you. I don't know how you interpreted and how you digested and what it means to you, but that was no coincidence. That was a purpose there. And you have to interpret it in your own way and see what it means to you and what It gives you or what can, as you
say, you, you're impressed by this majestic or the beauty of the animals, but you could also easily say, oh, I have to kill it. Yeah. have to protect my family. You could have reacted that same other way as well. So it is for you to. See what this could mean. But it is not a coincidence. There are no accidents in life. Everything, absolutely everything is carefully orchestrated for us to wake up from our slumber, from our dream, from our illusion, Hmm. Is, uh, this whole world here. So just, just slowly wrapping up the podcast hands,
like what, what would you recommend, not that recommend to anything, but like how do you live your life on a daily basis? What, what are, what are are, do you have certain non-negotiables or are there certain practices that have helped you along the years to continue to develop your own spiritual path and journey? Well, yeah, I do have, up where grateful, thanking divinity that I've got another day to learn. I go into meditations, uh, uh, very much. Uh, I go within myself. It is a very, it varies from day to day and how, um, sometimes
I listen to a meditation. Sometimes I just listen within myself. What is the message coming up? Sometimes I write it down because it's very strong and in the evening, uh, preferably also at, uh, noontime. But very often, I must admit I forget to do it at noontime. But in the evening, I uh, have sort of, I look at back at the day and says, uh, what happened here? What did I miss? What did I learn? What did I grow? Why, where did I screw up again and if I screwed up somewhere to make A point
tomorrow to maybe rectify it with the phone call conversation or whatever it is to sort of, uh, bring order against into this. It's very simple, uh, this tool, but, uh, when you are. Embarking on the inner path Es Gavi has says it. There are daily tasks which are all a bit different, where we just look at certain days, we look at what we say, what we think, et cetera. So on that path, there are unique tasks given every day, which are quite fun to explore, uh, ourselves and understand of how we function. So that is
something for anybody who's interested can do this. And then on the next level on will, there are some other tasks. There are small, little tasks. To make our life interesting and to see. How we are actually basically sleepwalking through the day unless we are suddenly real. Oh my God, this is amazing. I never thought I did this, or I thought this. Or I sort of, uh, when we are stuck in thought patterns and things Of course. or inner dialogues and so on, and so anybody who is interested on this path, it will, uh, be given
certain tasks. Again, without teacher, without organization, they can do it whenever they want to. They can let it be whenever they want to. It's all between them and their own divinity. Yeah. Beautiful. Do you have any, uh, videos in the making at the moment? Is there anything you're, you're working on? Yeah. I've always worked on something. What is this one? Oh yeah. It's a sort of coming home about all the family members who, we left behind in the absolute reality. Eventually when we return, we will meet them again, and they have been waiting for us
very patiently because in the absolute reality, there is no time. There's only the permanent now. Time and space is an illusion in which we are living right now. But that's another Yeah, I, uh, I feel like I keep picking your brains for hours, Hans. It is good on your way. What, what, um, what's the name of your YouTube channel? I just wanna make sure everyone jumps on that as well. just punch anybody. You punch in my name, Hans William, and it will come up. It's life explained. You can also find my website where the same
videos are on my website. It's life explained. And, uh, these things, and they're all free. There's nothing to join, no cetera. There you can see them, watch them at any of your time. I also have no advertisements on these videos, and I do not ask for donations. So these are just only a gift of love, uh, for anybody who might respond, uh, corresponds with, uh, to these. Be beautiful mate. And what was the, the website of Gabrielle you mentioned? There was a, That is, yeah, I would say the easiest to find is the Sophia Library
in Germany, the publishing house is Gabrielle publishing Okay. Beautiful, beautiful mate. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it. you so much. I was fun. Thank you talking with you and I'm delight to have met you. Maybe we meet Uh, absolutely. Thanks so much, Hans. Much appreciated.
