Dr. Richard Bandler - Patterns for Problem Solving: The new structure of magic

All right ladies and gentlemen you're listening to Louis bee free radio show brain food from the Heartland one of my favorite human beings in the world Returns the show Dr Richard bandler doc delighted and honored to have you back it's always a pleasure Louie um you're one of the few radio people that I do frequently I and I'm honored truly I'm honored I I um I'm here in Orlando that that explains the mediocre art behind me uh I'm in a hotel group and uh the uh but you have had a bunch of my crew on

this week yeah and continuing and continuing Juan is coming on I think um I've got to grab my schedule I I love having younger people uh NLP people it's always one of those times where a lot of really bright people come together we do this twice a year maybe three different seminars in a row uh we had a persuasion Engineering Workshop I just finished a neuro-hypnotic pre-patterning workshop which was went really really well and then we have a public speaking Workshop next week and uh where we train people to use their voice elegantly and be

able to influence audiences so it's a bunch of different kinds of workshops lots of great people a lot of my trainers came in for this and I have you know have institutes in almost every country around the world Although I haven't heard from the Russian one recently wow that's you know when I want to go back about NLP and you with NLP I've got to tell you and I've been saying this about your new book patterns for problem solving the new structure of magic and I'm going to get into that Dr bander in just a

couple of minutes but and you write about take us all the way back if you would I asked you this frequently at the very early days of NLP neuro Linguistic programming well in the early days uh when it first started basically there were psychotherapists who would get results and and most of them didn't uh whether they were psychiatrists counselors it really didn't matter there were a few really wonderful people like Virginia satyr Fritz pearls um Milton Erickson who actually got some results and people would look at them and they'd go oh they're intuitive they're this

they're that and to me as a Mathematician their behavior appeared very rule governed just like language is even if people are not a grammarian they know what a well-formed sentence to theirs is it's based on our neurology so uh I began originally with John grinder to model what these people did that is build mathematics behind it so it could be explained simplified and taught so that uh people could acquire magical skills and we stumbled across all kinds of things and we began then Modeling people who had gotten over things like phobias and uh you know

so that we could teach somebody how to how to how to think on purpose in a certain set of steps and disappearophobia in 20 minutes or you know reduce anxiety or motivate themselves more then we began modeling a successful sales people successful negotiators I worked with the government on all kinds of negotiating projects on skills like uh you know shooting a gun and uh doing sonar and Stuff to make the things where people's seem to have a talent but Talent is just a word that says we don't know how it works if you think more

like somebody who does something talented you'll be more talented we did a project with education where we found out the good spellers make big pictures of words and uh poor spellers have a tendency to sound them out like they're told to in school and when you look at a word and you make a picture of it and then you Make the letters big and you look at the letters forward and backwards and memorize it pull that picture back it's easy to copy down and we were able to up the you know take educationally handicapped kids

and get them not to be educationally handicapped anymore by focusing on the task uh so in the field of psychotherapy the field of business all kinds of different things we've worked with athletes to improve their skill this year alone I seem to have had A flood of baseball players that kind of slumped during the coronavirus and uh managed to get them to rethink like they did on their best day rather than their worst day and up their skill level so I've been a coach for Major League athletes I've worked for the military I've done just

about everything for over 50 years now I've been doing this knowing those successes and being able to train people to how has that felt for you I mean amazing you think about all The things half a century how does that feel for you today busy very very busy yeah I'm very happy with what I've accomplished but I don't I don't think backwards I'm I'm a what's next guy when you think about again being able to do this I do want to talk about you being in in Florida being in Orlando and I I saw some

of uh your trainers that were coming from the UK Etc that were Very everybody's very excited to be able to get together uh was difficult even with the technology during the height of say of the coronavirus when people couldn't get together thankfully the technology has allowed people to see and communicate with each other yet what was that like what was what's it like being in Orlando now well I'm just grateful to have live human beings in front of me uh to me you know Zoom is a little bit like talking to Somebody through the window

yeah and uh you know when you teach audiences uh having you know uh a hundred to fifteen thousand little miniature pictures on the screen and feeling their energy and influencing and seeing their excitement and all of that kind of stuff you know and and it's difficult online to demonstrate things I'm I'm a person that brings people on the stage and demonstrates I want to show people how this is done so that you Know they and then have them go do it and then come back and tell me how they did so we can tweak it

so they can do better uh part of the reason all these trainers come is so that the participants in my seminars get individualized help trainers get bet get better at what they're doing my assistants get better at what they're doing and the people in the audience get more personal attention and learn skills that they wouldn't learn otherwise Uh that's what makes these Live Events so great and uh covet put a real damper on that I have to admit um I'm real happy to have live human beings in front of me again and and I could

really tell this you know after all this time of you know uh uh you know because I've tried everything we tried bringing 10 people and having them sit three people apart and and and then broadcasting to 500 people in Italy and so I at least had people to demonstrate From we broadcast from Universal Studios and uh and it was better than nothing but it's just not the same thing as you know live interactions with human beings so that you see the audience respond and I mean they set up all these screens so I could see

little pictures of people responding but it's not the same thing you know some things some things are much better in person and you know that's real life and I like Real life as do I am talking with Dr Richard abandvar we've got lots of links up and you can pop pure NLP richardbandler.com Etc we are going to be talking in just a couple minutes I said that before right it patterns for problem solving the new book the new structure of magic and I see that uh K cook is with us and I just love Kate

I want to say hi to TK okay and let's talk a little bit about the Tipping Point if you will for this book Dr bandler did are you writing it because this goes way back sorry I didn't hear what you said the Tipping Point for you that when you said you know what I'm going to write this I'm going to do this with the and I I love how you did it with the it's it's an older book that you've updated yeah in 1975 I released a book that was about language and therapy and John

grinder and I built a model Called The Meta model which is something that allows you to have be able to ask questions uh that that that lead to solving problems as a question as opposed to questions that explain why you have a problem or where your problem came from or or help you to categorize the problem it leads people to do the thought processes to be indefined Solutions and uh at the time we were we were finding out what what good questioners did for the purpose of Therapy so it was a book about language and

therapy as the years have gone by I've come to realize that that model itself and we've refined it over the years uh serves as a really good tool for problem solving so I decided to redo the book and make it about problem solving and Owen Fitzpatrick and I got together and changed the examples and changed the order and the nature of the model and tweaked everything so that uh you can understand how it works and uh And if you practice it you get really good at solving problems we've been teaching people this for a long

long time and if you know if you don't ask good questions you don't get good answers if you ask you know why is this problem here you understand how to make it again and uh if you if you ask questions like what would happen if I did and what stops Me and You Begin to gather in different kinds of information uh you Know the first time I had a depressive and that came in and I looked at them and I said how do you know you're depressed right and the person goes well I just feel

depressed and I said where and they told me I felt cased in cement in my head and I literally bought them in the head and said break it up you know and oddly enough you know that was enough to get person started on the road and then you asked the question you know What aren't they doing and most impressions are thinking thoughts that make them happy you know they don't go through their history looking for good events they look at the events that happen and distort them into things and feel bad they go they always

say at the time I thought I was happy but now that I think about it and to have a machine that constantly depresses you it's just not useful you you need a cheerful machine and so that you're not going to Find that inner depressive you go and talk to a cheerful person find out how they think about it and teach the other person to think more like the successful thinker this book is all about changing the way you think because it changes the way you feel and therefore changes what you can do and again written

very directly I've said this uh before about this book and talking about you coming on today Dr bandler very directly written for for everyone I'm not a lot of terminology that people are going to have to look up and one of the things that and I've said this before about I love reading non-fiction I read over my level of Education sometimes uh frequently and I'm looking up things and back kind of doesn't do well for the flow of the book this book flows and people can learn and learn directly and immediately uh yeah actually this

book has in bibliography uh QR codes that you can go To and I explain any terminology uh with a little video so that because I don't think terminology makes you smarter a terminology is is is a shorthand basically and uh some academic Fields have snobby shorthand and I try to avoid that because uh you know this is my 34th book uh although two you know I have a couple of fiction books out I have some fairy tales and other things but I have some academic books and then I discovered the ones that are over People's

heads don't really become helpful and uh you know I wrote some books with some people that uh I think could mostly be served as a sedative instead of a book and uh so I stopped doing that long time ago probably 45 years ago and started writing my books so that you know they're as useful to a taxi cab driver as they are to a psychiatrist or the CEO of a major corporation when I wrote the book get the life you Wanted I wanted to be written at the level of a cake book so that people

could thumb through it pick out the thing they wanted you know whether it was less Fearless anxiety or more motivation so that it's broken into three pieces get you know getting over things getting through things and getting two things and and I try to keep all my books so that they're useful to the end user that training professionals to help people is all well and good but I want you know my goal was to make the end user going to therapy for five years and getting nowhere you know 50 years ago seemed to me the

wrong thing but you know people should be able to come in and walk out different and uh that you know if you brought your car in and it was making a certain noise and they said well you had to bring it back once a week for five years and then we'll talk about it uh you wouldn't accept that and I certainly don't think you should do That with your brain and your emotions and you know the currency of your whole life is how you spend your time so all of my stuff is designed to get

stuff done quickly solve your problem and move on and this book is a set of tools to help people solve their problem and get on with it yeah for I I am going to say for people that want to solve their problems and get on with it they're like you say Dr bandler I know there are those that Choose to wallow in things this is for people that want to get yeah I'll write a book for them the wallowers this is how to wallow for years and years and make everyone around you suffer miserable yeah

frustrate your friends and relatives it's going to be called that would be great talk to your family the structure of extended stupidity oh that would that would be great that Maybe is what do they call it uh now graphic novels or something when you you write about the structure of choice in your chapter one of course you know me well enough I don't go chapter one this and chapter two but I love that you had the Bold text indicating the 2022 and the non-bold text going back to 1975 which which I love in the book

you got the original text and then the newer text I want to say updated I don't know what word to use exactly you do Updated I guess that's fair yeah yeah well when some of the text is is from the original Edition and it was fine the way it is and still is uh some things needed changing and I wanted to point out where those were um that book has been around since 1975 and it still sells uh you know that they had them on the table downstairs people are still buying them and even with

the new book out some people are buying the old one but I was trying to save people The trouble since the Publishing Company doesn't even exist anymore uh the owner of the publishing company turned 100 passed away and and they returned all the books to the office uh rather than somebody buying the company so that's how I started redoing a lot of these books is I got back 12 titles from uh three different companies primarily as a result of goved oh God again the book is available everywhere and everywhere online Amazon Has it Amazon will

be uh quick with it uh don't forget those independent booksellers they can order them also again the name of the book patterns for problem solving the new structure of magic my guest the author Dr Richard bandler with Owen Fitzpatrick and Owen's been on is Owen there by the way no no Owen is not here lots are and I know it's got to be a wonderful reunion I saw some pictures by The way of the oh God what was it the the hippie hippie party oh the yeah hypnosis party hypnosis that was it yeah yeah at

night we sometimes we sometimes we have a movie night and we show films of Milton Erickson in Virginia and France you know the old-timers to show where this stuff came from serve popcorn uh this time they had every they had most of my staff and trainers dressed up as hippies and Flashing lights and and a dance floor and everybody was dancing let their hair down a little bit you know uh it looked like a lot of fun yeah sometimes you know when we uh do design human engineering we'll we'll have scientific parties and and people

wear lab coats and you know we pass out beakers of booze um so that sounds good too well you got to have a little fun if you don't enjoy what you do then it's just Going to make you not want to do it and so we try to have a little fun along the way but yeah that that it's kind of shocking to people that walk through because it's you know we have all the conference rooms in the hotel so a lot of people have to park in the lot and walk through the Fourier and

all these parties of course leak out into the Fourier and you can see the very straight people coming through and they'll be you know people With giant long hair and Beads and you know Brandy glasses and who's you know walking back and forth and it's kind of a flashback to the 60s yeah it sounds like fun to me and you know about it yes I didn't know about it very very well Dr badler you talk about if you would some of the structures of the structure of problems not to overall Sun problems but you have

to understand the universe provides everything that most of our understanding of Problems is that it's the the way that people think about something that creates the difficulty that the difficulty itself isn't isn't in the nature of the world you know when when people come in to me and they go we we don't see any way that something can be done they're correct they don't but it doesn't mean it can't be seen it doesn't mean it can't be found and if you don't change if you don't have flexibility of thought then you can't Find Solutions uh

I sort of break it down into four categories there are things you want that you don't have there are you know there are are things you have that you don't want like fears you know uh or you know or or where your costs are do I for a product or or arguments with your wife and and and when people tell me that they can't stop arguing with their wife one of the things they haven't thought about doing is stopping and that's Because they get a set of feelings and they compulsively start opening their mouth and

so you have to learn how to change the way you feel when somebody does something to break that cycle uh even in scientific experiments I've worked with r d companies where we go in and they're trying to break through a technological problem and they the way they think about it limits them you know when when you when you ask them what stops them from doing something they'll Come up with a list of things where really they can go to the rest of the scientific unity and find out one time they were trying to make a

full color hologram and they kept saying it was impossible and and one of what stopped them was there was no read write film and it turned out there was a company called Plessy that made read write film and so it was just that sometimes they don't look outside of their own domain and their own knowledge to find out who Has the answer and sometimes you have to change the way you feel to become excited and curious enough to look for an answer and sometimes to break bad behaviors you have to change the way you feel

about what somebody else does and I know with all this woke technology that if we have a bad feeling the whole world is supposed to stop doing something so that we feel bad but the world is not terribly cooperative and it just doesn't work And uh you know it creates division it creates animosity uh you know the act the fact that you know that this canceled culture exists now they're trying to get comedians to stop being funny because they might hurt somebody's feelings you know I remember Lenny Bruce offending everybody in a club and uh

you know it really it served I think is an opportunity for people to loosen up and not be so uptight and uh this is one thing the world needs to learn to do It's to be more tolerant and relaxed uh you know if you want diversity you have to be open to it you can't select what diversity is okay and what diversity is not okay and if you don't like the way you feel you should need to learn to change it and instead of use it as a way to be hateful uh because that that

kind of stress gonna kill you I wrote another book called The Secrets of Happyness which makes the distinction between you Know a medical science knew that stress makes you sick makes you killed you know they're talking about uh uh inflammation as being the cause of a lot of cancers and all kinds of things but on the other side they've also done tremendous research which proves that the happier you are the more likely you are to get over illness the more likely you are to be resistant to illness the faster you will recover from surgery and

we documented all of that and then put Exercises in a book for people to learn to change their attitude and live happier turns out those Secrets there are five big things that help people you know one is having a purpose and we took extreme cases we took people who had been in concentration camps and got and ended up being happy and productive in their life we took people who had been prisoners of war and you know for eight years and had been beaten and came back and don't worry about it anymore and all Of those

people in those horrible situations imagine what they were going to do when they were free now we're already free so we should be able to imagine and make great plans and have a purpose and and if we have a purpose to our life if we have good friends good relationships all of these things and they are buildable so we put down specific ways for people to change their thinking so that these things became more a part of their life uh that Book has just been re-released as well it was out of print for three or

four years because the Publishing Company went down and so the secrets of happy is back oh that's wonderful let me get a link up to that also talking with Dr Richard bandler when that when people we were talking about wall and I don't want to focus on much on wallowers but there's there's ways that people really want to feel better How they look at things how they perceive things how they take um how do I want to say this not positive news a diagnosis or whatever and deal with it all the time you know the

doctors are required in America to tell you the worst of all Alternatives so when you know when they tell you things you know they say things which in and of themselves are Relatively silly because you can never underestimate the human being's ability to to live and to heal themselves and to get over illness and all kinds of things they're you know there are so many cases of people being told that they had six months to live and living 10 years you know it it's but doctors are required because there's a law called informed consent where

they even have to if they give you a drug tell you the possible side effects and and you have to have a Filter in your brain you know they told me once you know that one of the side effects of the drug they were going to take was going to make me impotent and I said what's the percentage on that and they said well it's you know it's it's a about 60 and I said which way age 60 percent and they said well it's 60 percent likely and I said good that leaves me 40 percent

you know because I'm going to be in the 40 I like that side better and you know they told me Once that I wouldn't walk again and uh and if I hadn't tried I wouldn't I wouldn't have been able to walk and I don't walk perfectly but at least I can walk I walk not without a cane or crutches or anything and you know when you believe you can do something human beings will always surprise and it's not the doctor's fault it's the way they've been trained and you know and they're they're required but we

as human beings can make independent choices and our Level of belief our level of in of things and and these are malleable when when you have bad ideas in your head typically they're too big you have big pictures in your head even people who have bad memories they don't come in and they'll go I think about this every day you know and I I ask him I go I go how often and they go oh on and off all day two minutes here one minute there three minutes here you know when I lay in bed

at night and I'll go do you think it Adds up to an hour do you think it adds up to two hours what do you think and they'll go well maybe an hour and I'll go well that's 360 uh five hours in a year three thousand 650 in 10 years in 40 years if you're planning to live 40 years we're talking about just this one thought consuming over ten thousand hours does that sound like a good plan then I'll tell them to put a border around it and they always go what I go Does your

picture have a border it's bad memory and when they go they go well no I'll go okay put a border pick your favorite color put a two inch border all the way around the outside now the minute you do that you're using a different part of your brain it's not the part that remembers it's the part that constructs and when you take this picture of a memory and you put it over here and you put a border around it then I'll have them shrink it down to the Size of a quarter and turn it black

and white this fast and then wait a few minutes and I'll tell them now think about it and they'll go I'm having trouble remembering it right now go but you can remember it and they go yeah and I go doesn't feel bad and they'll go no now this is a neurological trick not a psychological trick but if you can go through now they have 12 000 extra hours to do good stuff Right so I then put something else in its place like starting to see themselves being somebody who can accomplish what appears impossible because when

you start doing things that you'd never believed you could right just little things like changing the pictures in your head making a bigger or smaller taking your desires and making a bigger you know making movies that are good stuff and deleting the movies of that stuff when you start editing your Brain you know we clean our house and our cupboards and some of us are walls yeah that was a shot I got it Dr bamboo no I'm just on your wife's side that's all you told me the story about your wife going keep your clutter

in your office yeah and it is but but if people people clean the kitchen table but not sometimes they don't clean up their mind they don't go Through and realize that you can move pictures here and there you can build big stronger beliefs you can get rid of bad beliefs and all of that technology is laid out in my books in a simple way so that people can do a little do a little be your own producer an editor so that you can begin to change the way you think and therefore it'll change how you

actually feel about things and therefore it changes what you're actually able and capable of doing uh you know controlling Bad habits uh you know spending you know the amount of time that a depressive or an anxious person spends doing it is enormous and if they spent all of that time doing fun things and being productive their life just gets better and uh you know I'm the guy that doesn't care where your problems came from because the best thing about the past is that it's over yay about the future is you can do whatever you want

with it I'm talking with Dr Richard bandler when I Remember in one of the early time I don't know how many a decade and a half ago maybe when you were on and we were talking about the about spinning and shrinking uh make you go backwards Etc and I remember somebody had uh I remember if they called in after the show they said it sounded too easy and I said why don't you get one of the books and and try it I'm just remembering this and She had said it is easy later later on after

she got the book and read it it is that easy it sometimes people have gotten so into those or living those problems so much it it seems almost too simplistic or too easy so why wouldn't you try why would you try something easy there is no reason most of the people that come to me have spent years trying everything that my clientele all came from psychiatrists and psychologists and People and they were all people that had been through everything every kind of therapy uh you know everything from vitamin treatments to electric shock uh everything you

could think of uh I've had CEOs that came in you know that had problems with their companies that you know they'd hired all kinds of consultants and everything and sometimes I just have them switch from pictures around in their head and their brain goes Because you know it's it's a miraculous tool if you understand how neurology works that when you take bad memories and you shrink them down and you run them backwards right be it ever so microscopic the neural cortical Pathways move through the billions of neural Nets uh by size and when you go

backwards it changes the charge in those and they don't fly forward so this doesn't automatically make you feel bad this doesn't automatically make you feel Overwhelmed this doesn't automatically make you feel stuck so you can't get to conclusions and when you sort of weed away some of this nonsense that's just good learning patterns it's just that what you learned doesn't work we learn a lot of things at work and some things that don't work and when people dwell upon nonsense from the past they're they're they're depriving themselves of using the wonderful Magical Mystery that is

our brain millions and billions of Neural cortical Pathways and you know and and and and and neurons as many as there are stars in the sky each talking to 10 to 100 others the combinations are Limitless and if we don't explore a little bit and experiment a little bit then of course we're stuck uh that's how people and then people get stubborn about it as well and when they try something that affects them and you know especially something simple like that it opens up they start to go well if I can Do this what else

can I do rather than I can't do this so I'll never try talking with Dr Richard bandler somebody emailed me about the the uh they saw you on uh on TV with the the snakes and the spiders with uh Michael Strand Australian yeah yeah that's something you've done for decades correct correct yeah well he was terrified of snakes and uh and so the producers they called me up it was funny they called me on the phone and uh or They'd actually call me they called my publisher and the publisher called me and I called the

produce and his question was when are you going to be in the United States and I said I live in the United States who is more American than me you know and and he goes well you know we're we're spending a week where you know we're we're presenting these challenges and Michael Strahan is afraid of snakes and you know and so I flew out to New York and uh while the Show is going on um sitting in the back and they kept coming in and going uh well you know we said we were going to

give you 15 minutes but you're you know we're running late can you do it again and it was can you do it in seven right and and then they said you're going to have to come back and I said I'm not coming back I said I flew all the way out here I said just bring me out and give me a couple minutes and uh so I got to use the time during the commercial But I got a couple of minutes and Michael was then holding a big snake and uh oddly enough uh the next

morning he came out and he said I want to tell you people they've said a lot of people thought that it was pretend that he had acted as if he was afraid of snakes and then held a snake and he'd said I want to tell everybody he goes this was real and if you looked at him or was it they showed clips of of her scaring the crap out of them with rubber snakes and he Was he was very afraid and he had no desire to do this that the only reason he did it is

the producers made him but once he went through it in his mind he went over and held a steak and nobody was more surprised than he was that you know as he's holding a snake and Hell he's got the head and he's got the rest of the body and then he finally picked it all up by himself and uh that's it's on YouTube you just go Michael Strand snakes and it pops out it's also on my Webpage richardbandler.com there's a link to it uh that it's just an example of how quickly people can get rid

of a fear because the fear doesn't come from the snake the fear comes from learning to be afraid of snakes so he was afraid of the idea of snakes and when you change the idea and your body responds differently and whether it's snakes or Heights or anything else that you know bees uh you know I've got people who are go after Covet I've been working with a lot of agoraphobics especially on zoo because they don't want to leave their house there are some people that just are afraid to go outside now people are have gotten

uncomfortable about talking to each other face to face uh it hasn't been good for our children at all yeah you know they didn't learn to be social animals and we are social animals um and you know this this Overreaction by the government as it turns out you know I got the covet shots and still got coved twice so I'm not impressed with their vaccine you know I had to get it so that I could fly places but uh you know it wasn't all it was promised to be and there are ways of treating go bad

especially now we have even more of them and you know they're going to be flus and vaccines and all kinds of things in the world the best thing to do is to have a good Immune system and and have good doctors ready and waiting everybody should have a doctor they like and Trust And if you don't want to contrast to your doctor look around there are plenty of them I I I agree with you 100 there are plenty of them and fortunately I found a very very good one about a year ago it was absolutely

a little over a year ago and she's absolutely uh amazing because a lot of the older ones are retiring and you know if you're my age you probably Have yeah I had I had that problem I lost a couple they they sent me that my records and retired I had a dermatologist and of course they were like the last ones that were going to do well during covet so my dermatologists oh yeah that's yeah that's through through it threw in the bag and said said I'm moving to Arizona I'm gonna play golf here are your

records and I went oh God now what am I going to do I got to find a new Dermatologist and you did right not yet not yet I've been to six or seven and I'm not impressed yeah you've got to find one you're comfortable with and and one that listens I could do a whole whole thing on that to find someone like and yeah to find someone like I have found and and others have I don't even want to say their name because I don't want them to get too crowded when I have a good

doctor I I and I hear you I I hear you Very very much Dr bandler it's interesting when you said that about Dermatology I hadn't thought about that during covert you can't do that on telemed really I mean yeah that ain't gonna happen they can't freeze those things off you know through the screen through the screen that's yeah that's that's interesting I had when you talked about that with the lockdown and kids and I read a lot about the effect it's had on on kids on young People on young students Etc talk a little bit

more about that about the impact when they're it through that growing period well just think you know you we we we understand communication and a lot of it by facial expression and voice tone and we do this through experience over time and when everybody's got their face covered right and the weird thing is you take one of those masks right you inhale a cigarette and you can blow it right Through the mask they don't make me feel safe it's a good thing you know Japan if you get sick you wear a mask say you don't

spread germs right and we had everybody covered up uh we had everybody locked down uh except in certain places Florida and Texas uh didn't lock down as much but but even so we deprived people we deprived people of of the opportunity to learn and and especially younger people who had no experience so everything Became the telephone and the zoom box and it's just not the same it's not real life and uh you know I see younger people sit sitting there you know five or six kids and they're all on their phone looking down yeah some

of them are even texting each other in the room and that means they're missing out on a large part of communication because 90 percent of the meaning of words is your tone of voice you can say no and mean yeah yes you can say of course and mean Never you know because you're old would you go out with me yeah sure that doesn't mean they're going out with you and it doesn't mean sure yes and you typed that it would be a different communication and you know that the Nuance of communications from the look on

your face and knowing who to trust and who not to trust is based on the congruency of communication when people go absolutely it's just not the same as absolutely and your Shaker for listeners You're you're and up and down that when you're signaling the opposite of what you're saying you know when your voice tone you know when people go on I'm absolutely certain and their voice goes up you know they're not certain and you know we detect that through learning through interaction and the better you get at it the better you are as a communicator

and uh you know part of that you learn through life uh we teach how to be very Precise at it when we teach people to negotiate and things like that and but even so if your kids don't have the foundation of this it deprives them and uh you know we know that people that the emphasis in schools even today you know has moved away from the really important things Reading Writing uh mathematical skills you know all the things that people are going to need to function in this world and and and they're arguing about whether

or not they should have Silly things around them you know you know the stuff you know parents want their children to be educated and uh a lot of what's been going on is that teachers in college are getting indoctrinated into believing that they know what's better and they're not looking at the result of their teaching and performance and it's you know it should be measurable and the way they measure it by a state test is not the best way to do it I mean kids Either can do things or they can't do things I mean

I've had kids that I was told were educationally handicapped and a week later their spelling and doing math and that's because I focus on teaching them how to think about it so that they can and you know I teach them how to memorize not just what to memorize and you know we've deprived our teachers of the right skills in the schools so therefore the schools are suffering and then when you add to it Covet it's a mess and we need to get back on track and and and have precision and learning uh and and teachers

should become professionals that really care about the quality of the product they produce and they should they need to stop labeling people as as as being smarter and Dumber and start making everybody as smart as they can and we need to give them the tools to do that I wrote the book teaching excellence and it's virtually not used anywhere uh that It hasn't become a part of the the college education of teachers and it really should be it provides the tools to teach people how to do the hard stuff spelling Reading Writing and arithmetic and

if you do all that faster then you have time for all this extra stuff um to me I you know I think we should all get smarter at everything we do as often as quickly as possible uh Dr Banda when you mentioned that about about education and teaching Excellence is an incredible book that I would certainly urge people uh to get to read to absorb and share the think about reading I know in this area I know across this this country uh reading is kids aren't reading to as they call grade level and I had

a teacher that I know personally who was telling me about how she had kids in third and fourth grade who were reading at kindergarten level and I'm not going to use the word forced she was forced to move them on But she had to move them up to the next grade and I'm thinking so they're going to get further and further behind and if you can't read in in 2020 it's 2023 that's right 2023 sorry sorry but wow you know what what are we doing what are we allowing to happen to the children of this

nation well you know it's teachers are getting it from every side the administration's giving it to them the school boards are Giving it to them the parents are giving it to them you know they're you know that and there's so much ideology about all of this and very little practicality about it that you know that to me that the great level of a student is a measure of the teachers and the school and uh we need more competition to produce more technology to teach kids to read easier quicker faster and uh you know when Kate

Benson and I wrote teaching Excellence we wanted to Help the teachers to do everything in less time because for teachers 30 or 40 percent of their time is spent doing administrative work and it keeps going up satisfying the government when the federal government and and things and and I you know teachers unions are all well and good but uh you know teachers teachers like everybody else should should be recorded rewarded for doing a good job the best teachers should get the ispay and that should be Measured by the performance of this bottom third of their

students getting up to the top third and you know so that we start to develop new ways of teaching so that people don't slip through the cracks all the time and you know while people talk about class size and money money money we as long as I can remember we've constantly thrown more money at the educational system and gotten less results and uh it's not about money it's About skill and we have to start changing the way we train our teachers and we have to restructure the schools so that the right power is in the

right hands to do the right thing and this requires that we have some intelligent people making decisions that's why I like all these private schools and and charter schools and you know they're trying new things some of them will do really well and some of them not so well and those should fall away and uh when We have school choice that's going to help a lot but we also need for the academicians to get off their ass and start developing real teaching skills instead of just telling teachers to make learning plans you know and all

this old traditional stuff that's from the 1950s and 60s we need them to have actually understand neurology and you know to do do what people with great memories do teach kids to build a Memory Palace so they can remember whatever they want and You know the imagination is a great tool if it's applied properly it's it's you know it's not just about artistic Freedom when I wrote that book a lot of very famous people in the field of Education slammed it they went it's too structured well I'll tell you structure is a good thing and

if you teach people to read then they can read what they want and you know if you teach them how spelling is done they can spell any word but if you don't give them a good visual Field inside their head where they can look at words and you know whether it's got seven letters in it or 20 letters in it it's still just one picture and all this stuff about measuring by grade levels I'm afraid in the universe there is no such thing you know you either can do things or you can't do things and

we as parents you know and grandparents have to pick up the slack because the school system's not doing it right now and uh You know if if your school is failing you my favorite sentence was uh I was at somebody's house and their kid came in all depressed and down and dragging their feet and she went what's wrong your son and he said my teacher failed me and I heard the ambiguity that means that didn't mean to teach the kid failed that meant the teacher failed her failed to teach him what he needed to know

to pass the test and see most teachers would say you're blaming me and I'm Going no I'm giving you the chance if you realize that what you do failed a student then you can learn something new so that you can do better with that student teachers have to be great Learners it can't be a good job just because you get three months off a year and because you could stay home during coved uh it you know young teachers typically get don't get into it because that's the way you're going to make a lot of money

they Get into it because they love kids they like being around kids and they want it but it gets beaten out of them over the years with all the administrative nonsense and stuff because the focus isn't on accomplishment and you know the the standard of how well you do is the slowest 10 students in your class are the ones if you can pull them ahead of the others then you're doing the right thing and then the others will explode even faster and To me it's all about accelerating learning and making it a joyful experience instead

of the tedious experience which which can be done and obviously and is done again teaching Excellence one of Dr bandler and Kate Benson's books of course available everywhere and everywhere online you're listening to the UB free radio show brain food from the Heartland copyright be free radio limited 2023 produced by lovely Miss Money face in cooperation with white rabbit Productions Dr bandler you're good for a few more minutes I know I've had a couple more minutes yes okay I just I wanna when you say that about good teachers and I I've mentioned this a lot

on the show now now I'm talking about over a half a century ago when I was in high school I had a junior 11th grade American history teacher who had collected American history books Throughout his career so everyone in the class had a different that grade level American history book he would have us read a chapter let's say on World War II or what was the cause of World War II or what was the cause of the Civil War to go to the back then they used blackboards I don't know what they do today but

he would write the different and it was it it has stuck with me over half a century about how to look at Things not just what it says in the book who wrote the book what was their influence sometimes I get a little obsessive about that yet it teachers can really open minds again my example over a half a century ago it sticks with me today so good teachers can and by the way as I always said this he did not give me good grades I didn't like him because he was nice to me or

gave me good grace he always said you could do better He taught you to think yes rather than what to think yeah and he taught you to ask questions and look at things from different points of view and uh instead of taking one point of view and jamming it down to your throat yeah uh you know there's a difference between finding answers and and being committed to the right answer and uh you know nowadays the people are so fixated on their ideas that they won't talk to their relatives for God's sake uh isn't that sad

isn't That sad when you see something about what not to bring up when you're with your family or people that don't based on a political view the whole idea of unfriending me because you voted a certain way in my 70th year I still love to hear I for myself say oh I never thought about it like that I still want to be challenged still want to challenge my I was told I can't visit my grandson's College because I'm too politically Incorrect and you know and it would just cause him difficulties you know I could go

into town and stay in a hotel but that they have so many rules at this college about what's acceptable and you know you can everything you do hurts somebody's feeling or triggers them and what they're doing is making people weak you know if if you can't listen to something that you don't believe I mean I listen to stuff I don't believe all day long And you know and to me uh even with the the most schizophrenic of people uh I have to accept that that's a way of looking at the world if I'm going to

help somebody to see it differently and you know it has to you know everything from one point of view makes sense right it doesn't mean that you have to agree with it and you know I I don't care if people say things to me that I don't believe or don't agree with uh you know because it's them and it's not all of Them that's just part of them you know and your ability to you know to be accepting of other human beings means you can accept uh what comes out of their mouth it doesn't mean

you just because you hear it doesn't mean you have to agree with it and it doesn't mean you have to disagree with it I'm very uh often listen to people and we'll go that's really interesting which means you know you know I'm not going to talk about this with you because you're Good I really don't want to have to come out and go you bloody idiot laughs like people talk about politics you know they keep acting like you know you know one side or the other side is is more right and has better motives and

I'm afraid I don't trust either one of them yeah I'm with you I I agree with you 100 Dr bandler have you ever wondered where the uh Empathy where your desire to help where your compassion comes from it comes from Curiosity it comes from the fact that that I like tweaking with things anyway I used to fix old radios people would bring me clocks and radios and I'd take them apart and fix them you know and later on in life it just became something where where when people come in and and you know I I

look at it and and to me I'm trying to figure out how to make it work You know I mean you know uh you know if I have somebody that's Ultra compulsive I start thinking well if they weren't compulsive about you know talking to the devil out the window at night and picking errors off of their arms they could be compulsive about being joyful and productive they might they might make a really great employee in fact one of my obsessive compulsives became my secretary great secretary they've worked their ass off all the time but they

were I got the excessive compulsive to be about answering emails and keeping the mailing list current and all of that stuff instead of stupid stuff about their life the rest of it they could relax and live but I just I I like to see things work you know and I I believe that the human brain is so miraculous that that that you can you can take even the most screwed up person and with a few tweaks uh they become a lot you know it becomes Something lovely you know most people that you meet have their

own quirks somebody came in the other day and they said you know I'm afraid I'm too quirky for anybody to love me and I said well I'm sorry but there's somebody out there that's going to love your quirks you know that you know there are billions of people on this planet when people tell me they can't find one they're really not looking very hard I sh I would I would I would agree Dr Bandler I want to say it always an honor having you on um and over the years I'm so grateful for the relationship

most importantly for who you are in the world and the amazing things that that you have done again pure nlp.com richardbandler.com we've got all the links up everywhere and I again of course I love all your books I love the patterns for problem solving the new structure of magic get it read it absorb It and share that information I'm grateful okay thank you very much Louie I'll talk to you again sometime can you stay with me for one minute off air Okay one minute off there one minute off air here with me let's make sure

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