The Power of Movement with Ido Portal and Lewis Howes

The [Music] re definition of our physicality the paradigm shift that i'm aspiring to have is like we are living in this body that's like so within this chair these constraints and within my daily life and my workstation and my relationships and my children and My dog and and the way that i go to to the bank i want to redefine physicality and experience it in a different way [Music] welcome everyone back to the school of greatness podcast very excited about our guest ido portal is in the house my man very excited thank you so much

for being here thank you very much um now you are based in israel is that right not really not really no yeah i'm moving travel all Over the world yes but you have a facility there it's correct um no it's not my facility really it's my students facility but we those students are very close and almost like family and we own and kind of operate facilities all over the world okay that's one of them all right amazing um i just watched the documentary that brian did from london reel about your story and you know kind

of this movement that you're Creating that you've been a part of so it's really fascinating to watch and we'll have it linked up in the show notes make sure you guys check this out really cool but you've been doing movement your entire life right you started in capoeira when you were a teenager and i saw the videos of you you were like a little ninja doing all the stuff you're doing and um And then in the documentary talks about you traveling the world seeking movement uh learning how to move from different experts all over the

world is that correct yes who are some of the or some of the practices that you practice it in and where did you travel to to learn this these styles and originally it was within martial arts and just looking for a different perspective inside martial arts and Then in capoeira kind of more pinpointed i traveled many many years to brazil and brought also teachers from brazil and learned from them and then it kind of broadened out into other fields of movement and yoga somatics gymnastics and anatomy physiology training methodology nutrition and on and on and

on and on yeah wow when did you why did you get into capoeira in the First place what was it about that art or movement style that made you fascinated and wanted to just master it it was kind of a weird thing where i didn't really i wasn't really attracted to it so much really yeah i was kind of dragged there by a friend and i was into the the eastern martial arts and it all this drumming and and singing in portuguese and the weird instruments it wasn't Really my thing um and i went there

and did a first first lesson i didn't think i would come back um but then i yeah i came back and tried again tried again and little by little i just fell in love with the whole thing originally it was the acrobatics and um which was adding into the martial arts side which i was already familiar with and then i stayed Because of other things i i came because of certain things but i stayed because of other things what were those other things um capoeira is very deep um has very deep roots and it touches

yeah it touches something inside very connected to tribes and and tribal feeling and belonging and um musicality and certain Energy it has a name in portuguese it's called ashey that once it's felt there is yeah it's it's just a new type of experience that you keep on seeking a lot and that's that was kind of the thing that left me inside capoeira what was the greatest lesson you learned about yourself through the art of capoeira and the training you did Um yeah i reconnect i learned many great lessons about community about my physicality rhythm music

which were things that i had inside of me but i didn't really realize and wasn't exposed to it before and of course i i being a teacher and sharing uh making the cycle complete being a Student that learns and a teacher that teaches and it's kind of feeding it feeding both roles feed each other yeah yeah and what were some of the arts that you went and studied you went all over the world and what were there some of those practices so i started the martial arts yeah chinese martial arts and started in hong kong

type of kung fu it was just available in my hometown and Trained there as a from a very young age and then yeah i did karate and judo for for a while and then got into some other things went into capoeira and then after capoeira i did boxing and really yeah research some other things and what makes you fascinated with learning about movement and wanting to continue to grow and master these different Modalities and practices and an awareness about the body what makes you so intrigued consistently uh the the questions that should be asked is

what makes people not realize like we're all living in a body how can you not how can you not like you're living in this temple you have a physical existence so how can you ignore it how can you Not have the curiosity to unpack some of that and how how can we not realize that everything that we want is connected to that body like there is no other existence this cartesian state of mind is is not working it's not working for us the existence from the head up you know it's over it's gone it was

a mistake yeah um What's more powerful the mind of the body first the the act of separating them by asking the question is already a problem because there is no separation they are somewhat one and we keep on discovering that the mind is comprised from the body and the body is comprised from the mind and there is no isolated existence of each and we keep discovering more pieces in This puzzle but it's enough already and all that we know to understand that there is no separation yeah what do you think is your greatest gift to

the world um no i don't view myself as a gift to the world but the thing you have to offer to the world yeah i'm a teacher i have some Some gifts as a teacher not so much as a practitioner i'm a hard worker and i i built myself up and developed skills but i'm not much of a practitioner yeah um but i'm i'm a good teacher i'm i've been obsessed with sharing with people i've been obsessed with unpacking the process and trying to facilitate it and bringing this to people what's it take to be

a great teacher in Your mind um the need the the the absolute obsession with sharing getting the students there somewhere and and that's really has to be an obsession it's no it's not something that you're kind of passionate about i say sometimes upgrade your passion to obsession Yeah it's um a lot of a lot of people are teaching because life brought them to teach so they finished a career as practitioners and they just became teachers or coaches or but it's not really their inclination from the start where i was i started to teach very very

young and it was something that was screaming from outside of my Dna yeah yeah just teaching sharing bringing people there it's like how can you not get it and just be totally involved with helping people understand get better yeah do you believe you have to become a master student before you can become a teacher or can you become a great teacher without becoming a master's Student no you don't have to become a master practitioner you you has to you have to be a student a good student is another skill set um that is by the

way more missing than good teachers sometimes i see you know all these training programs for teachers and a good friend of mine martin kilvadi says we need a student training program not a teacher's Training program that's more necessary how to be a good student is is a skill that is a rarely displayed and i've been working with a lot of people over the last 20 plus years um so being a good student helps to become a good teacher being a good practitioner also helps but not it's not one-to-one correlation here how do we how do

we become better Students yeah so that's about education it's about um being involved with the community and it's about being taught how to be a student and that's separated from being taught the subject matter for example if i'm teaching movement that's one thing but i also teach people how to be students install the the basic communication and ethics and Um understanding something that we're very much missing in the age of misinformation yeah we're kind of information brokers we move information around but when was the last time you met someone who told you like i've been

a student of this person for the last 15 or 20 years it's not so common and i'm i'm kind of i'm that guy i've been with my teachers for many many years and and my students Have been with me for years yeah it's something that you you must practice and you must learn from someone it's more common right in martial arts or in some ancient traditions uh you will see less of these ethics displayed in the world of athletic athletics or team sports but it should be there a boxing coach is not often regarded as

a teacher but he must be a teacher actually and should Be respected as a teacher sometimes you know some some eastern martial art master is being given the title of a master but an old boxing coach is a huge master yeah or or a handball coach or there are masters walking around us and they're so humble they don't even present it is that yeah what would you say is the thing you're most proud of that you've either learned Or mastered what's the thing that maybe you didn't think you're gonna be able to conquer that you've

conquered or mastered that you're proud of and there is a certain humility that comes with the subject matter and that i'm involved with and the movement it is and that humility is the understanding that there is no mastery of that there is no There is just another layer another um jump in the ladder of understanding um an increase in complexity but there will be no mastery whatsoever and that's why master of movement title that sometimes people use with me it's like so far from the truth it's not even funny so there's no such thing as

mastery it's Only a new layer of the there is no there is no mastery of movement of such a complex subject it's like mastery of life so many elements yeah and there is no black and white thing there anyways there is no end to the process and that's why i chose it also as a lifetime obsession or um being involved with it because you can't master it so it's good news you know Yeah yeah you can always bring on something new what's the next thing you want to try to get better at that you haven't

i guess acquired some type of level of mastery or excellence at it is there a new type of modality that you haven't done you're really looking to step into next i'm always involved with research all the time and that's what i mostly do i am i research subjects and dive into Them it can be sports or disciplines or ideas within movement um concepts challenges um so i've been like for example in the last few years i've done a lot of work in the field of speed coordination rhythm rhythmicality within movement and how um how to

attack that how to approach that i've done a lot of work on a relaxation connection and interconnectivity of the body yeah these are just some some subjects and I'm still unfolding some of them i've done a lot of work within the martial perspective fighting combat yeah i'm not a fighter i'm not but i have a lot of interest in the movement side of it right right i you know i i think i first heard about you maybe a year ago a year and a half ago from someone talking about them they were like i'm doing

some type of training i think there maybe there's there's videos lessons online or some Type of course maybe someone had where they were talking about you and that was the first time i heard about you i think it was some like handstand combinations and some other movements they were working on and they'd mention you that's the first time i heard about you and i think i saw a video of you shortly after with conor mcgregor and i was like oh that's interesting i wonder what he's doing with him and then The more i watched your

instagram i saw the videos of him working with you and on his agility his coordination his reaction time all the different things you guys are working on how did that come about did he find you did you find him and what's that partnership been like an experience with him uh yeah conor has been following me a few years before we met yeah he's some someone gave him a video and he started To started to play with that he was listening to some of the interviews and he was quoting me using and people kept sending me

like hey check out this up-and-coming fighter is mentioning you and uh before he was really that big yeah yeah yeah way before yeah and i had a look and uh looked very interesting um and then after a while i i did the London reel uh interview um and there there was some some connection through brian and i was shortly after in dublin and we met for the first time brian made the connection are the introductions yeah he made the introduction and we met shortly after i was in dublin and there was an opportunity i went

in there and we had a session and it was an immediate Click really what was the first session what did you do with him the first time was it some simple things or what was it yeah it was um him and another ufc fighter gunner nelson an amazing fighter as well um and we we had a session in spg they never really did a movement session and like like other people they thought i would come in there and give them Some fitness workout or training and we went into a practice and um it was um

i i think yeah they liked it conor especially and also gooney and uh we shared we shared some time and uh i stayed over and uh we did yeah we did some work together and then we just have been doing that over the last two years and five fights together five fights you Would come to like his training camp for a few days or for the whole time or how would that work so i'm the weirdo i'm the i'm the outsider there yeah i'm not i'm not really like you're not part of the team yeah

and come in as like the yeah i'm part of the team but i'm not really part of the team it's something that is often kind of misunderstood by the general public Um i i i'm not a trainer i haven't been a trainer in in a while in a decade so i don't have time really to i can't be there i have a big business and i have um my passions and so i come in and i sprinkle and attack some ideas with people who are actually willing to continue to unpack them further when i'm when

i'm gone and then i i give this potent stimulus And i leave and i let evolution growth happen and it works extremely well with conor because he's he's the obsessed type and once he hears something and it clicks in his head he he will just keep digging at it and and um and that's what we've been doing so i've been coming in for a week 10 days giving a few sessions within the big schedule and picture sure sure kind of The beginning of the training camp and then you'll leave and he'll keep doing the sessions

with his coach or whoever else is implementing your teachings right yeah right that's powerful um what's that like working with him you know with someone who's as obsessed as you are it sounds like with digging in i mean it sounds like exactly like you're you've been your whole life what's that like being around someone Who's at the top you know he just finished the the mayweather fight uh which you were adam assuming right yeah i saw a photo with you there and it was unbelievable to watch here i just i watched in the other room

and it was amazing to see him you know winning for the first three rounds and be with the greatest of all time until obviously fatigue sit in but he was you know he took a massive risk to Take on a new skill without really never doing it before against the best in the world and stayed with him which i thought was fascinating and i was pulling for him the whole time but what's it like being around that what's it like being around someone who's such a risk taker but also obsessed with his training and a

massive personality you know very uh Polarizing personality yeah so there is so many layers to it um first it's it's it's a lot of fun there is a lot of fun involved it's not it's not stressful or or you know heavy even in in very stressful times um he keeps it fun and light or he keeps it fun and i keep it fun and and there is a lot of Lightness you know things are heavy as it is but learning to lighten them up and and to keep it playful is so important right especially on

that high level uh as things are already yeah on your shoulders a lot of pressure yeah a lot of pressure yeah yeah so it keeps it fun it keeps it light it keeps it keeps it fun it keeps it light and he He tries to go for it it tries to improve it tries to listen and to take those things and then there is like a lot of other things around the the media and the lack of time and the stress of so many different factors you're involved with and this is less my cup of

tea like Yeah i'm i'm i'm there to support him i'm there on a personal level as a friend to support him and as a teacher and someone who shared with him and i also learned shitload from him from the scenario um yeah so there is all these different layers yeah what's the big lessons you've learned from him he's a unique character right like everybody first what you see is what you get with conor Like he's he's that guy there is nothing there is nothing play it's not acted or it's not played and at the same

time you don't get to meet that persona on when you are close all the time it's real it's part of him but you there are other parts of him the martial artist the student the um the friend so you get to meet other layers you you you don't get to Meet that you know personality personality all the time but it's you definitely know that it's there it's real it's him there is no act there is no script there is no it there is no yeah it's just unfolds in real time in reality and and what

is there is what you're gonna see you can have glimpses of that after a loss yeah and then you can really see it for me it's you know it's a It's actually an incredibly powerful moment and inspiring moment to hear conor talk after a loss and i've been it's amazing yeah it's amazing actually when he's got this huge personality this confidence ego whatever you want to call it this you know outgoing personality for months leading up to it some would have you know say obnoxious at times or whatever they want to say Right or unprofessional

or whatever they're saying but the way he loses is what inspires me about him because he has such respect and humility and this is part of the game and this this happens and i'm gonna win like a champion lose like a champion and move forward and working and that's what i love to see um because if he didn't lose well i Don't know if i would like him as much but the fact that he's like has so much respect and for the for the person the sport the craft the fans everything and his lessons or

whatever or what he learned in that moment is for me inspiring yeah um what would you say is the biggest thing you've learned that he's taught You personally and it's been what two three years now or has it been yeah two years two plus years two years what do you think is how have you grown personally from that interaction um yeah the result is thing about self-belief blah blah blah everybody everybody talks about this and yeah he definitely believes and and there is power to it and I i i don't think it's i don't think

it's that fundamental to what conor is doing and how he's doing it like the same with the trash talk you know people like give it too much credit yeah he's a good trash talker and yeah it can play into people's heads but a lot of people who are close by and are like involved they know that even if he Wasn't a trash talker he would have done similar things you know in very similar ways um for me his um the warrior side of it is interesting like conor is has that that side to him like

he he looks at he looks at difficulty in a different way and um even nowadays when comforts are there offered and available And private flights and yeah private flights and all this but it will still say something like you know this is a great facility this is an amazing facility but there is also power in some you know poor dripping facility and he would all the time kind of reconnect with that and with the past and with the ability because as fighters You are constantly faced with that discomfort you know you know somewhat some 220

pound 100 kilo guy sweating into your eyeballs you know drip blood you know just this it's it's such a raw scenario and then at the same time you you drive around in rolls royce hey i actually think there is something very healthy about this combination where in other in other sports maybe It's easier to lose perspective you're making so much money you're getting everything taken care of first class everywhere everyone's giving you everything you don't have to work for it anymore yeah yeah so i think this is a an inspiring side um and and something

that is powerful and important and how how to deal with the the Altercation with some someone wants to kill you on the other side you know a loss what is the loss you know i've said it before looking from outside you lose in basketball it's hard you're losing basketball you're losing mma somebody if there was no referee yeah you would have been dead and to move on from that it's a different thing And actually maybe there is no moving on from that maybe maybe that's a wound that you'll keep digging into for the rest of

your life and i i truly believe there is some angle to that within fighters like you never overcome the losses it's more patches and it's a tricky game the cell when the self-worth is is connected to fighting and winning in Fighting it's very hard to feel self-worth from other things it's so potent i see it retiring is difficult yeah it's maybe impossible so hard because you get all of your self-worth wrapped around in this sport or this craft right and now it's no longer there where do you get find joy and happiness i see this

with a lot of football players when they retire they go through extreme depression it Doesn't matter how big they were this is you know in the u.s american football players have committed many suicides within a few years after retirement just because they don't know what to do with the rest of their life and they were a hundred thousand screaming fans and now no one cares yeah to move on from the craft you you're pointing at one thing that's very hard but here there is another layer like first why would you move on from the Craft

that's already a problematic practice so it means like you play football why did you even start to play football for money wrong reason so why do you stop when the money stops shitty practice well actually shitty environment to conduct yourself in as a practitioner then dancers You dance until you can't make money off of it or you keep dancing until the day you die i was like what's what's the writing martial artist okay you stop fighting but are you why would you stop to be a martial artist it's not a good life practice yeah it's

not a human practice it's professional sports they take it to the extreme and then what you see afterwards is like Some ex gymnasts becoming a businessman and and can start moving or whatever yeah and stop moving and then he tries to transform the lessons that he learned there but it's very problematic because those lessons were not about craftsmanship they were about winning they were about and winning is a shitty orientation right it's not it's not because ultimately in this game we all Lose like this game you're going in one direction right now you're moving there

on this rotating rock yeah you're moving to death you're going to lose you're going to lose everything you're going to lose everything even yourself you're going to lose it so how can winning be really you know an orientation To unpack ourselves and to to explore so i think in fighting um the act of like winning losing is is the problematic side and actually the practice the craftsmanship to go into battle as a practice and to test to try to put yourself in in front of hardship that's that that's the good stuff and i I'm i'm

trying to kind of be focused on that because i'm less about that side of winning and losing sure where do you find uh your fulfillment and happiness the most curiosity discovery um yeah demystifying to facing to face a mystery and to understand something about it and to make it Mundane again yeah you know yeah and that's that's that's what i'm passionate about yeah do you have any fears a lot yeah one of the biggest fear of everything everything that i do is like oriented from fear you know really yeah i did like from young age

i went into capoeira i started to do acrobatics i was very afraid to fall where other acrobats Kind of same level next to me they had a lot less fear everybody got fear but mine were disproportionately big for for my practice and then like fighting fear of fighting fear of heights fear of fear of water if you're like yeah just like i have a lot of fears really what would you say is the greatest fear Um you gotta choose one a fear of maybe exposure fear of weak of exposing weakness you know being exposed as

a weak person really yeah in what ways weak mentally emotionally physically all yeah just generally yes yeah weak uncapable and un you know i've i've worked hard at at those things from fear of being exposed in that way and Try to improve upon it and yeah why do you think you're afraid of those things it's i'm sure it's may related maybe to something in childhood maybe some experiences of some things i'm not sure it was something that was always kind of in me yeah it's like this fear yeah this fear be careful like you're weaker

So don't first hide it and second like work hard at it master it or overcome it yeah to to try to get better at it yeah and be stronger what do you think it's gonna take for you to let go of that fear there there is no letting go like there is yeah over here In cali um there is a lot of there is a lot of like black and white um simplifications oversimplifications there is no letting go you'll never overcome fears like it's you will maybe develop a healthier relationship the dosages the how much

less yeah but less but it will always be there because if it's not there something is wrong and you can't Operate fear is part of the basic mechanism of how you deal with everything around you and i have a friend who is a stuntman and a rigger in australia and he has questionnaires regularly when he goes to get a job and they ask do you have fear of heights and he is the only one who writes yes and then they're kind of like they come afterwards they take the papers and they Ask him like how

can you have fear of heights you're you're you're stuntman you're a rigger you work in heights all the time he says yeah and the fact that i'm still here and successful is because i have fear of heights yeah like i have a certain fear of height um so i think that's that's more honest and bravery and like this courage is really not the absence of fear but it is The management of fear it is available because or else what is courageous about it you know there is no fear just do it no courage yeah there

is no courage then you just just go but to master yourself to you know to [ __ ] your pants and yet go out there and do things and act so the doing is the actual bravery here it's not the feeling of fear yeah what do you think connor's fear is Because he it seems like he he loses with grace what do you think his fear might be he also manages himself within those those perspectives he also attacks it he also doesn't want to be exposed or he also wants to he feels the pit in

his stomach you know like everyone and he tries to control it he talked with me about it many times in a very honest way it's a very it's very powerful to hear it from From him and not not as a you know superstar but more as a guy who deals with it regularly you know we talked about it in interviews how he used to come in and and um he used to be you know bullied in the street really and used to feel that pit in the stomach and said [ __ ] i don't want

to feel it anymore um How do i deal with it and then he went to martial art and he had sparring days days where you spar and then he felt it again he said here it is now i have a process how to deal with it and then used to go into those sparring days as if they were real you know fights and then the sparring days don't deliver that same fear again so then you go into competition and then You get scary and then it's scary again and then you go beyond it you know

bigger competitors yeah yeah yeah and you keep pushing that envelope and you become courageous but by your act you know sometimes i'm baffled by the talk that people just comment you know comment online talk about things about these people who are they are doing Such they are attacking their fears so regularly like how can people even begin to write such words about these people you know people people who don't sit behind the keyboard you know and write [ __ ] that they about people if they meet them in person you know it's just it's ridiculous

the situation is ridiculous there are no For there are no experts in this forum the forum has become open everybody's an expert so it's like it completely disregarded the act of receiving any feedback from it online feedback talkbacks comments is done it's gone it's i have no use of it right i don't i don't use it i don't read it i who are these people they have no nothing they have no no skin in the game no skin in the game no involvement as Nasim talib calls it skin in the game the first things that

you need to have if you even want to comment or or talk about this object you know if you don't hmm yeah something something stinks like politicians without skin in the game they're actually not affected by their acts many of their acts they don't because they're rich they're out of the game so There is a problem and then the game goes rotten yeah wow what's the question you've always wanted answered that you haven't figured out yet [Music] the question that i always wanted well one of those questions is what are the fundamentals the basics Of

movement what are they no one knows there are no there is there are some ideas there are some steps i took at it and others over over history um but no one really knows and if somebody presents fundamentals of it he is a bullshitter he's He's not a real practitioner it's what are the fundamentals of living a good life what you know there articles the seven things the five things the 11 things you know wisdom is not there there is some instantaneous realizations and maybe it can help certain people in certain places but it will

also harm them the oversimplification will also create a problem but with the Attention spans of people like you you just keep feeding them that thing because they they don't pay attention yeah it's hard to grasp and they move on so there is this snowball you know of the whole thing so the fundamentals of a good life fundamentals of how to live our lives how to how to move better not not to box better not to play Handball better not to play basketball what are the fundamentals the basics that will enable me to control everything to

a good level and that's something that i've been obsessed with over the last decade for the you know the general human being let's say in america who most of the time sits at a desk most a day on average what would you say They should be focusing on the basics every single day if they had 15 minutes a day to do certain things of movement and obviously and they weren't able to come to one of your classes or anything like that but you just said okay here's what you should be focusing on what would be

kind of the basic principles that you would share to anyone listening or watching online yeah the most common question i am always asked Um the real answer is education so you can do one thing the vote in education because there is this is the only way to even get you in the right direction you know like first is like don't ask me that question that's the first thing like and it's true what should i be asking you yeah so actually You have to it starts from the realization we live in a body it's done it's

given you can't change it you can change it your existence is within a body that's what we know that's what we have right now okay second question the second thing sec second realization you're in a body you must move you don't have a choice i like to move i don't like no it's how well you move but move you shall move whether it's Moving in a chair breathing pumping blood moving lymph moving words moving ideas moving fingers moving the spine so third realization better learn how to do it well because it's such a big piece

of your life and it affects the quality of your life It's the most underrated factor in quality of life nowadays movement physical movement it's like it's money relationships good sleep good food those are important things in the right balance too much money we know that you move away you have a problem too much too many relationships it's hard to juggle there is a problem there is a certain amount that each of us should then to manager yes can manage and operate with And movement too much movement is also problematic and too little is problematic and

what type of movement and so it's like educating yourself about that so that's the real answer but now let's also give something yeah give something physical so i've been actually teaching people non-fitness related things recommendations first i don't tell them To work out or to train because if you're training with the wrong movements that's not going to help you either right um that's also true but it's not what i mean the training idea the training concept the workout i'm going to work out now it has a problem it's a because you are not now in

relationship with your body constant 24 7. you're kind of like okay i'm gonna Do this three times a week yeah and and that's not actually the re definition of our physicality the paradigm shift that i'm aspiring to have it's like we are living in this body it's like so within this chair these constraints and within my daily life and my workstation And my relationships and my children and my dog and and the way that i go to to the bank i want to redefine physicality and experience it in a different way so what i what

i help people with i i've been promoting one one is a squat to squat regularly to fold the legs it's it's just like so simple you have these joints most people they never fold it all the way So they never fall disjoint never disjoint never disjoint yeah so what happens is [ __ ] happens yeah yeah you literally literally also like you're gonna have problem with digestive issues because you don't fold this we are we are we have evolved to eliminate in this position to spend large portions of our day in this position we have

knee problems we have Back problems we have ankle problems we have digestive issues and some of it is like huge related to it you think it's because we're not bending and folding yeah we're not there is this foldability to the body you're not working it so you don't use it so you lose it so like sitting in a chair and having my legs in even in 90 degrees no good like i need to i need to squat i need to bend my legs deep and i need to kneel i need to do All these things

and to keep my legs even healthy functional you know just like basic so this is one thing i started to recommend people years and years ago and it made its wings and it became very popular a lot of people became involved and we i got received like thousands and thousands of thank you notes people pre-surgery that never ended up doing the surgery or just stories of people just like improving The quality of their life spoiling their legs yeah but instead of again recommending like do these squats three times a week no i said no no

no go down into the squat and and just just spend time five minutes at a time yeah but five minutes is a lot no start with 30 seconds yeah but do it throughout the day so you start to kind of condition those those tissues and and That's again not a training concept because it's throughout the day when you're talking on the phone and when you're waiting for someone every couple hours just go down for 30 seconds every couple of hours do it five ten times a day 30 seconds yes for a month and what do

you think that would do for someone yeah it would do a lot of things especially it can go to many different directions it can affect like neck problems that you've had years and It it's so far from the neck of course but everything's connected yeah so like we say it a lot like everything is connected but you know we don't really think about it like i'm pulling on the shirt here every atom on the shirt is affected you understand like so when i'm squatting it's everything and we like to kind of hang on to the

Current trend for like for example fascia so yeah the fascia is affected but everything else neural nerve tissue blood blood vessels you know since you're constricting certain vascularity there you would get adaptation so being in a deep squat for long periods of time would improve the endurance of the legs the clearing really Yeah i don't i don't i don't have any research to back it up right besides my own experience yeah my own personal experience in that of my students but it makes sense because you're limiting you're restricting blood flow so the body must clear

the by-product i've spent up to four hours in the squat four hours in that position yeah heels to the ground yeah toes no no no flat foot it's hard to be Flat for that position for me yeah yeah it will improve it will improve i've done i've done all kinds of experiments and it's definitely not necessary nor healthy but i've i've spent up to four hours there or hours yeah i i i went down with 90 kilograms 200 pounds for five minutes and spent like five minutes there you're like a ninja man yeah no it's

no i'm just i'm i'm just obsessed and regular yeah is that there is no no real gifts involved it's it's just Hard practicing it over practicing practicing and being and being curious about where where is this going what does it give me yeah um so that's one thing we can do is to squat for 30 seconds every few hours throughout the day and yeah and they start with like 30 days where you commit we usually tell people like 30 minutes a day total time in the squat for 30 days so it's like posted 60 times

for 30 seconds yeah yeah yeah so It's potent um 30 30 squat challenge we say usually people work with like a minute a minute and a half but because you have to do 30 minutes it's quite intense but i did it for a reason i did it for a reason because i know after even a week the changes would baffle most people throughout the whole body not just the legs but yeah well it depends on your issues and your condition but it it baffles people just like because if they Are truly like if you open

a timer on your phone 30 minutes and every time you go to the squat you you start it and then you stop it and then you have to feel it throughout the day you don't go to sleep before you do it and you commit for 30 days then you will see wow what it gives you i'm going to try this john 30 minutes 30 days yeah 30 minutes a day 30 days 30 days yeah and not in one go but broken up throughout the day it's a minute two minutes If you need to elevate the

heels put some books below them and little by little probably by the end of the challenge or even after a week most people will not need any more elevation wow yeah i'm gonna try this um what else is something that we can do another challenge that um i started is hanging a hanging challenge and that's another perspective it's like also very very common all of a sudden it Became a trend and i i i kind of reinitiated this trend it was always there of course primates always hung and there was there is even a doctor

um who popularized hanging an orthopedic surgeon here in the us dr kirsch he wrote a book and how he refused actually to to perform shoulder surgeries before his his patient were willing to try hanging for a while and we're talking about Slept there's we're talking about you know all kinds of like rotator cuff issues and stuff like this and hanging is so potent really if enough time is devoted it would even reshape bone structure so it the chromium shape changes and he writes about it in his book i i linked into his book a few

years ago started this hanging challenge 20 000 people from around the world went went online it became much bigger than That it went everywhere you hear a lot of fitness authorities mention it some of them don't even know where where it came from or and i hear it like some people who really dislike me and my work but they kind of recommend it from you know from another perspective and but it's all good as long as it works for people um and that will do a huge things for shoulders elbows wrists it would do a

lot of stuff for the lower back it would Do a lot of stuff for ribs all kinds of issues with the ribs you just you take gravity and you tell her okay align me right so simple like just hang relaxed and and you tell gravity like okay forget about the chiropractor chiropractor doesn't know as much as gravity like we're living on this this earth so just allowing gravity to do its thing it's huge Of course it's much harder than to start so then we start from seven minutes a day for 30 days and that's extremely

potent and you start in 30 seconds 45 some people cannot if you have unstable shoulders you have to engage in a different tank more of an active hang if you have stable shoulders you can go more passive some people need to start with partial hangs so with the heel still on the floor or touching the floor but again it's huge and again it's not Working out it's not doing pull-ups pull-ups will not hang yeah because pull-ups will not condition those tissues the adaptation will not go into those specific places that we want it to go

it will not reshape your your structure in the same way it will work the muscular tissue yeah yeah yeah what about um being upside down Handstands what about it being upside down is that something that people should practice or learn to answer no it's not a fun thing well you know it's not as important it's not as it's not as important we've been inverting ourselves for a while and some animals do it like and it's such an ancient concept like can i yeah you know just like a kid they all try it right they place

their hands On the floor and like put the head down can i it's beautiful concept you know some people say natural movement i'm not into natural movement i'm into all movement and handstand is regarded by some not as a natural movement but let me tell you there is nothing on this planet that you can do that is not natural movement so everything is natural we're living in a body for god's sake Everything is carbon based [ __ ] on on stardust planet you know so it's like we have created these things yeah and and we

are naturals hence everything the word natural doesn't mean [ __ ] to me i don't use it it's not oftentimes it's being kind of it's being used to describe what i'm doing it's not it's not and handstand is a great movement to do it's maybe not so basic and it has some benefits like you can Develop some nice strength with it you can develop the proprioceptive capacity vestibular system is challenged like the inner ear balance yeah um it's a it's a nice thing you can play with it and it's definitely if if it's available why

not sure so we got the squat we got the hang is there anything else you'd recommend it's enough those two things if we do those two things seven minutes a day and 30 minutes a day yeah for 30 days you can Do both at the same time you think yeah i do one challenge that you passed i wouldn't and that's why i'm saying that's enough because i can keep going but just like these books on the bookshelf people don't read them yeah yeah it's uh so they they want five book recommendations and no you get

one you want yeah do it and then let me know what you've done exactly do it first do it once you do it You feel benefits or some you will continue to unpack you will continue to go after it it's like this is the modern problem that's how i deal with it too much information too much information so don't add more into the like be simple yes even like giving two of these challenges is a lot [Music] so if you if you're more if you have more issues with your shoulders Um then i would go

more with the hanging if it's more with the lower body digestion digestive issues and then i would go more with the squat and if it's somewhere in the lower back both can benefit and but i wouldn't do both together and definitely like go go for one and then go for the other and see what it gives you what would you say is your vision and your dream To redefine physicality in this way and to to have people start to um talk about their physicality and exchange about it and develop it movement um yeah in a

new way not as a sportsman not you know like you're a handball player football player what do i i'm a martial artist like what do we have in common actually we have a lot in common but we never end up like there is no Forum for us to exchange yeah and like i i i look at your neck and i say oh there's something what's going on there like why is the neck so thick like what's what's the practice what's the practice that maybe i can benefit from it maybe i have a bad neck and

i can benefit from some of the practices you've been involved with maybe i can help with that problem that you have in the knee By sharing with you something from ballet classical ballet but this is not done because we've been separating ourselves i'm a fighter you're a dancer he's an athlete and we are we're all human beings we sit next to each other in the subway without exchanging a word and the same way in our physical practice we don't take time to engage to exchange so my vision was Let's use one terminology not just different

terminologies one terminology that one language that everybody can talk let's create forums of mutual interest let's practice in an open way so all the specialists can exchange but then there was a new thing created these hybrid practitioners who are interested in Movement and that's the movement culture and those just people who don't want to be athletes dancers fighters they want to experience movement as a concept as a general concept and it means that they would be they would suck at all these different subjects but they just want the more wholesome bigger perspective yeah just Like

conor mcgregor is a lot more has a much wider perspective on the field of combat and fighting than floyd mayweather who is an amazing master and specialist and what he does but he does not have the big map and that's why when the game is open yeah he would not do the same as what conor did to challenge himself it would Not happen never happen yeah yeah so movement culture what are the fundamentals of the culture that you guys teach well we we don't there are no fundamentals like i said nobody knows we yeah we

we are i'm using and how does the class or the workshops how are they designed then yeah you just come up with what you want whenever you're just off the top of your head is it no no no everything is very Directed and we attack and we go at certain things but without any definite definite result at hand or success specifically we try to unpack to demystify to go into subject and share some informations about it and make some make some clarity but there is no big conclusions i got it no i got it no

you got nothing yeah got Nothing there's always another layer yeah you forget about it like how many times do you need to play the game to understand no you didn't get [ __ ] didn't get it nobody gets it this game this reality what the [ __ ] is this what is this reality what's going on here what are we doing here you know Like we don't get it so stop saying it because that's only showing me how much you didn't get it you know in a way whenever i hear it's like yeah i gotta

i know i know you know [ __ ] you know jack [ __ ] the people who really know they'll tell you it's complicated it's complicated yeah and there is some some understanding involved with it um so what we are doing is we are attacking different subjects and we go Into a place inside the big cloud of movement because there is no one entry door so we just step into the cloud and we attack specific subjects like for example um we go at the subject like coordination and i expose some drills exercises scenarios games challenges

and we try to see what can we learn about this weird concept or we go with a tactical game like a like Fighting game or we can go at strength development strength is a concept you know not not defined by one specific practice like i'm strongly one moment you're strong another moment you're the weakest person there you know it's like you you will meet the gymnast you will feel extremely weak in the perspective of gymnastics but the gymnast will meet you In collision oh that's a bad day yeah it's a bad day so like strength

is not one entity and we keep on kind of simplifying oh you're really strong people tell me you're really strong you don't know what i am and you don't know in which scenario i'm also extremely weak in all kinds of areas you know so um we just detect some some of these Objects and we go at it and we discover some things and we really practice hard like it's it's not just an open thing where you're just like floating around in a hippy way and sure you know it's a creative context you create a container

exactly a challenge accept a target for a period of time and then you move to the next exactly yeah and that thing is like the beautiful part of this practice like okay let's dig this object you really go with it you're fully involved And then you kind of disconnect from it and you go to a different perspective and when someone when someone takes on uh a training method in this way as opposed to a 30-minute run or a hit workout or a lift or whatever what's available for them on the other side taking on all

these different things of Coordination to you know stick games and tennis ball games and all these other things you guys do strength games whatever it may be balance games what's available in their lives that's different than just a normal type of training that we usually see at a gym um there is first there is no better worse here there is just like the i think you can bake bread and you can be happy so Like happiness is not is not the orientation of the practice yeah nor is it an attempt to be better at something

besides the understanding of the general concept of movement and that's what you will get from the practice you would get more of a bird's eye understanding who's who what's what when where how much yeah and that would give you something so it means I can work with fighters one day one week and i have an understanding of what's going on there immediately i'm not good at it i can't fight like them i can't fight with them but i have an understanding of what's going on what is needed where is missing and then next week i'll

be with contemporary dancers next week i will be with professional acrobats next week i would be with tennis players soccer players etc so There is a general understanding of physicality and movement and how the body operates um in all kinds of different subjects and then there is a lot of humility that comes with it yeah in on the level of a practitioner and as a teacher i'm sure yeah who would you say is the most influential person that you've had in your life My mother what's the biggest which is a very common answer by many

people like they would tell you their mother but my mother is something else what is it about her that has influenced you or the greatest lessons you've learned from her my mother is a very unique person she's everyone that ever met her knows um she's practicing with us in the movement culture she comes to events She's 67 wow that's cool yeah she's an amazing hard worker and very involved she's a she's also a buddhist and she she lives life like no one that i know like she is really um she's approaching a certain mastery approaching

because nobody really musters but in the way that she lives Life this is what she taught me her ability to view reality both in a re very real and honest way and at the same time very positive and happy way but it's not the happy peppy way which is like sometimes disengaged from suffering problems complexity of the situations attend so i think she is she's taught me a lot about that she taught me the power of narrative in our lives and she works with narrative therapy and Then does like what's the story like how actually

lewis is basically lewis is a construct you understand there is no lewis lewis is a construct he's a story you keep telling yourself and others constructed a story called luis it's a drawer filled with meaningless things alone but together somehow it works it's it's an invisible loop as Hofstadter calls it it's it's a weird self-referential entity you keep referring to yourself but there is no other references you know right it's like you're and this is very powerful to understand we're just stories we're just like so if we are stories what happened to you truly doesn't

matter What you tell yourself happened to you that's the story that's the narrative that's the powerful thing and by changing the narrative you change the reality of what happened to you it doesn't matter what happened it's like it disappears and it is replaced and so actually this is a very powerful lesson for my mother um that took me many many years to understand that in her patients she Observed my childish ways and my black and white you know passions and point of view and she allowed me to realize it but it took many years and

i the more time i i spent with her the more time passes the more i i understand how much ahead she were she is in front of me yeah wow so she taught you from what i'm hearing That it doesn't matter what happened to you in your life but it matters the story you tell yourself about what happened yeah it it's hard for people to maybe understand but i get that i'm just yeah it doesn't matter what it actually happens so like the truth can be a bad experience or a good experience it's the story

you tell yourself yes but but it's tricky right because you already kind of You put a tag on it so but by by observing the narrative and focusing on the narrative you have more powerful tools at your disposal to deal with it instead of like digging in the past what happened when you were six years old and you know what happened in that room what i don't know you know like and then you dig it you know traditional psychotherapy you go there and you You know you scratch at those doors and that doesn't matter what

actually what did i tell myself and what started to unfold from there how it affected my narrative this is something i can work with because it leads to the present moment so i can retrace the story better than the actual occurrence which is like a leap it's a jump i can retrace the story that i told myself it's like a breadcrumb trail back To the origin so what's the story you want people to know about you to know i don't want people to know right it's not something i orient myself towards it's the wrong search

in my eyes not trying to portray myself i'm trying to discover i'm trying to be i'm trying to be yeah to be To become to become what are you trying to become um i'm still working on that so figuring it out or figuring out yeah who you want who i want to become existing is a kind of a weird thing where it's like it's a given but then it's not a passive thing so it's it's kind of a given but it's not just you have a lot of say in it you know And i think

it's it it's very powerful um to go towards who you wish to be instead of who you are today like who i am today i'm i'm weak i'm you know i'm afraid i have this i have that i'm i'm old i'm you know all these ideas that's who i am but who do i want to be i want to be that person who doesn't mind this this and that who goes for this and yeah i'm just like i orient myself towards there i discover who i Want to become and i work on becoming and by

doing by handling myself in certain ways and i fail and i make the the weak decisions and just keep keep going at it yeah do you have any routines or practices uh throughout your day the morning whether a mental practice a physical practice that it's kind of like a non-negotiable or something you like to do on a daily basis yeah it's all one big practice man That's constant yeah that's that's who that's who i am like i'm the practitioner so i know you meet a lot of people who are have certain practices but i'm a

truly obsessed and unique practitioner in that way like i've been practicing more than anyone ever met i worked with top level athletes they don't even scratch the surface Of how i how much i practice how much i am involved with the practice how much i sacrifice for the sake of the practice like this is a huge entity in my life it's every moment so there are like things on the level of mind more mind-oriented things like meditation i've been involved with over a decade and there is my physical practice movement practice and research and other

human practices Um you know all kinds of practices where does your mind go during meditation i'm always curious about this where people allow their mind to go do you think about something specific do you visualize something do you see yourself outside of your body are you mastering a certain discipline or or focusing on a discipline or what is the mind going during meditation for you Um first what does it matter where my mind goes maybe a better question would be like what's what's the orientation what what what or what orientations are do we want to

go after um you know the you probably been involved with people coming from kind of the field of mindfulness So let's unpack that let's look at it for a moment like mindfulness mindfulness is ridiculous the problem is that the mind is full we want to empty the mind we don't want to feel it my the word itself is already like what what are you talking about it's something that people keep on like repeating they don't even think about Like that's the problem the mind is too full we want to empty it clean just like you

know there are soaps for every part of your body yeah especially women yeah they have this soap that's all behind the ear soap this soap the left eye soap so What about cleaning the mind most people just are not engaged with it they they scrub every piece of their body but so how do we empty a little bit how do you empty it yeah so that's a that's a practice that's a serious practice and comes thoughts our mind is filled with thoughts and ideas and then you don't think don't think of a pink elephant so

that doesn't work right like The stop doing doesn't work it's not stop doing it's undoing it's something else it's a and that requires observation and respect of those thoughts a thought comes in you say hello you observe it and you let it go and then it goes away another thought would come this is the process of like observing your thoughts and little by little they would appear a Little bit more space there in between thoughts a little bit more time um and this is one orientation very kind of zen orientation then there are other ways

other access points like breath um and and also action like very active stuff so that's another mis misconception you know like flow states or risk or danger or Adrenaline it's like i'm here i'm one you know yeah you're one because you don't have a choice you'll die if you're not so but that's not the technology for meditation that's an anti-technology for meditation it's like i climb the rocks if i make one mistake i fall to my death so i'm here i'm one that's easy try to be one sitting quiet In your room that's a different

level of practice that's a different orientation of practice so actually the two should not be confused together like i don't meditate i do handstands no you know when i do a one-arm handstand you know i can tell you i can do the kali thing i can tell you everything yeah i can tell you one hand Reaching into the future and the other is still stuck in the past while i'm in the middle observing you know what when when i'm doing a one-arm handstand i can think of whatever games of thrones and that's why i can

do a one-arm handstand so the the actual achievement the ability to practice it allows you to be automatic So is it the technology for meditation or is it an anti-technology for meditation you tell me it became an anti-technology for meditation so when i'm doing one arm handstand my my my mind races when you play football you might be involved to such a level so you're involved but that forces you to be involved so that's also an anti-technology for meditation but we are searching for something else And that requires stillness that requires stopping stop movement so

my movement practice is supported by my no movement practice how often are you still or not moving throughout the day every day every day how long or sometimes i've went as far as 15 hours a day where you didn't move isn't your life about movement it is and in order to understand anything you have to experience its exact opposite To any high level like you you want to master war you have to be a master of peace as well it's like that's another basic requirement and or else how do you know the boundaries how do

you know you know how do you really how much you really know the subject matter if you are if you're not much of a lover how can you be a fighter you know like it's it's required It's required it's it's the that's what they meant when they say yin and yang they didn't mean for you to crash against the wall with your practice with your life and then realize oh i need the exact opposite they meant from the beginning install both of them one side by side don't do power lifting for 15 years and then

say oh i really need to stretch 15 years he took you not much of a genius yeah you know should be installed From the beginning the opposites should be present from the beginning and a good practice is not a monochromatic practice it is a practice that brings in all these realities from the beginning and that's why you know the movement practice is such such a powerful orientation because it includes everything people think it's like it's strength training it's it's hand i do your workout So which workout i don't have any workouts you don't do my

stuff for sure you don't know nothing about me it it immediately hints that because there is no workout it's an attempt to connect but it shows me the distance in concept and understanding and because there is no workout actually there is what's it called programming or no no no there is no program There is perspective it's a perspective it's a way to look at our physicality it's it's a way it's it's not a way to train it's a way to look at our physicality what is what's the zen workout tell me yeah there is no

there is no so so what is the zen training it's a it's training how do i approach reality around me and the movement practice is very similar it's more involved with the body and it Contains all these different layers but what's your connection with this with who you are so you are this this big thing you're not just this brain there because the brain alone cannot be sustained and also you existed before there was a brain on an embryotic level you existed before there was a brain so who was there before you had a brain

who was there was there lewis who is there So this unfolding from one point of maximal simplicity to ultimate complexity and it's reversal back to the source what is the [ __ ] source what is this who you are who am i this is a very much related to the movement practice through the body to experience who we are that's what i am about that's what i'm doing and then there are all these methods systems training movements they are there Challenges yeah challenges but they are just tools to unlock this relationship you know and this

discovery um and people just cling on to them because they they just simply did not dig hard enough to to discover and it's okay as long as it brings them in you know how did i get here i need to do [ __ ] one-arm handstands and have a six-pack for you to invite you know what's going on But now i'm here yeah and i i'll say my truth you know and that's what i've been doing for many years i've been using all kinds of things my connection with elite level athletes and and um and

how my body can perform and what skill sets i constructed but it was uh all very cunningly done to really portray something deeper which is uh maybe difficult to understand but We come to an age where it's necessary and people are willing to listen and they come to podcasts like this and to people like you who are facilitators and they are searching for meaning in their lives and in in their existence in their physical practice in their relationships and they just we need a way we need a way in and it's difficult it's difficult to

understand there is nothing quick about it there is No instant there is no microwave here so that's why we lured them in first and then we sit them down tear them down to the basics yeah yes how important is and how much have you studied the breath i'm mastering breathing and how important is that in terms in terms of all movement yeah it's a very very important very important and there is a lot of there is A lot there and there is also i like to as you already noticed to break down some yeah some

things so and not one thing that is important to break down is like breathing it's not necessarily should be taught no animal learns how to breathe you know you anything that you do well You never learned from anyone including the act of walking you didn't learn how to walk from your parents you taught yourself you never learned how to breathe and if you never get a single lesson like my father you never learned anything about breath he's been breathing for 70 years and he's fine right this is one perspective sometimes undoing is more important than

doing right um Another perspective after we break the eggs and again the black and white people say yeah wrong there is so much in breath and you can learn then you can of course there is there is the yin and yang yeah but let's present the other side the breath is a gate and you can get a lot through it you can affect your chemistry your experience your state of mind you can fine-tune Your reaction your emotional content and your activation of your body motor unit recruitment you can affect every you can affect your relationships

with breathing if you learn if you have a breathing practice um you have a gait towards things that you think they're out of our control But actually we have certain control we can affect them and i've learned a lot about it from from the ancient yogic method pranayama and and into you know the slavic methods the russian orientations and the western points of view and the martial arts and and the therapeutics and the somatic practices i i've devoted you've studied all of it i've studied i wouldn't say all it's never a lot i i've devoted

a lot of time To it yes to the breath and and to other like other subjects yeah i'm i'm i'm obsessed i'm an obsessed reader i've been reading three four books a week for the last 20 plus years i'm an obsessed practitioner i've sacrificed a lot of things i'm not a family person i have i've um you're not a family person no yeah you know so i i've sacrificed a lot of things to become To understand more to discover more and that's why i i know some things some things about the subject of movement and

breath is a big one so there is a lot there there is a lot of discoveries i've had a lot of crazy experience through breath on many different many different uh vectors orientations like from ecstasy into you know out of body Experiences into you know visual effects into the exp like proprioceptive distortions how like the body is perceiving itself to um connection to death to connection to birth like a lot of different things and breath is this big Yeah you you played with breath uh a little bit with wim hof do you know what huh

yeah i've heard of course i've never studied this stuff for now um no i haven't studied his stuff i haven't met him i i met some people and they showed me some things you would like him he's obsessed like you so i think he would appreciate his obsession with mastering his craft and i think he could learn something you know just like with anyone you can learn Something powerful from that practice but it's you know i'm assuming you've already done a lot of the breath work but i think if you ever want that introduction let

me know i'm happy to connect you to him but he's definitely a one-of-a-kind human being interesting character who is looks like a character yeah he looks like he actually is a character but he has a massive desire to support a lot of people through this his Practice his breathing method and it's helped a lot of people heal it's helped a lot of people you know relax have control over certain areas of their mind or a sense of control and freedom you know what i mean yeah um very cool man i'm gonna ask you a few

final questions actually i let jen ask a question first do you have any questions you want to ask i'm putting on the spot but do you have a question anything come up For me she asked what books are you reading right now yeah um i'm reading some literature um things i'm rereading a few old books um [Music] reading a text on a neurology um and What else am i i have like my toilet book yeah i have my uh before go to sleep i have my traveling book my airplane book so i'm thinking um [Music]

yeah if you could if you could only uh this is gonna be hard but if you could only recommend three books to people for ever there's only three books you said here are the three books you're gonna Recommend these are the only ones you could ever give to someone what would those three be about anything yeah no way to start to answer that if the if i know something about that person i might be able to recommend like for example with many of the fighters i work with i give them meditations by marcus aurelius which

is a very powerful book for someone who Is in confronted by challenges big big challenges um or if somebody is let's see there is a very excellent read by viktor frankl yes yeah he's a very powerful book very close to our hearts and israelis and jews and very powerful and it's a book i can recommend to anyone anyone yes like most people can benefit From it and the final one and the final one there is an excellent book for people who are interested with movement and it's it's related to the word play and culture and

i've been recommending it a lot and it's the classic homoludance playing man playing playing man homo ludens yeah um it's an excellent read about how play and culture are actually so Interrelated they can't be separated like there is no decision whether you like to play or not you are play you are a product of play like there is a necessity to approach things in a playful manner and it's directly interlaced into our being so and that's something very powerful we talked about play and games sometimes people hear it and they have this idea of like

oh this is this is you know play game whatever No no like there is nothing else like actually any form of training is a is a or is a play yeah it's a play animals play before humans were here like so it's like interlaced into nature so maybe you can relate to it this is him as a sports person as a player as a joke when people meet you they categorize you know he likes to play you know and they have All these ideas preconceived ideas about you actually businessman what is the world of business

it's all one big play and if you try to shove it down and you disregard it like it would rear its ugly head in all kinds of ways so like we must play sure sure uh this is a couple questions left for you we're going a little longer than normal but i love the conversation um this is called the three truths i Asked this at the end of every interview three truths uh you've studied with some great uh masters teachers all around the world many different practices modalities from your mother to other masters all over

the world um and let's imagine that this is the last day for you for the reason it's over um And you got to share you had a piece of paper and a pen you got to write down three truths three lessons or truths that the world would have from you and that's all they would have to remember you by these three things they wouldn't have any videos or anything else you've ever said this is it piece of paper write it down what would be your three Truths one it is what it is two it doesn't

really matter three disregard everything that is written here there you go i like that [Music] where can we connect with you online what's uh if someone wants to learn more If they want to get training from you or video content or come to workshops what can they do how can they get access to more of you and your information yeah we have an online presence and we're at educational body we offer educational services and we have events all over the world and there are camps um held all kinds of different subjects some of them are

more experienced based or other And then we have also online support you can always hit us for that very soon we will be launching a very big revolutionary platform for that that we've been working for many many years now yeah so um everything www.portal.comportal.com yeah one word anyways if you know on day of google's Like you just put the word page you will find it um yeah we are on facebook on instagram any any help that you need from us you can email our office info etidoportal.com and we will try to help very cool very

cool before i ask the final question i want to acknowledge you for a moment edo for your incredible ability to be a master student you're constantly searching To master new things and to become a master of your mind your breath your body movement life in general and i feel like you're you have this great mindset approach to living a good life even though you're still trying to figure out what that means so i want to acknowledge you for constantly doing things that maybe most people are unwilling to do for making the sacrifices you do that

Aren't popular in normal day society to be such a a giver of information and a student of life so that we can learn how to become better healthier human beings in this crazy world that we're living in so i want to acknowledge you for all you're doing man means a lot thank you so much um make sure you guys go check them out itoportal.com instagram you've got a lot of great videos photos there i'm always inspired By what you're posting i don't know if you're posting that if it's your team but it's all really cool

stuff um if you want to see him doing crazy one arm handstands and have a six pack you can check him out there too um is there any question you wish people would ask you that they don't ask you yeah the entry questions i think we tackled some somehow and then you know Like any researcher you always are inspired by specific you know peaks that you are attacking and those are more reserved for more involved practitioners and people who and that's that's really the true passion for for any researcher yeah so i think um it's

hard to tackle on on such a occasion yeah just would love people to to have a thought about you know Their body and their existence and you know acknowledging that there is a need to to address our physicality in in a day and age where we a lot of people are moving into the you know almost like uploading into some virtual you know existence and the the we're discovering that it doesn't work actually like there is a problem we Discovered in the gut there is all these things happening and on our skin like there is

this you know biome this all these discoveries and the breath and so i think um just would like to leave people with with that need and awareness that a lot of their issues and search and and needs really the the most internal needs that we all have this Mystery this big mystery is related to the body and to discovering the body and to work with the body um to get deeper somehow yeah all right my final question then is what is your definition of greatness um probably probably that would be originality in the purest and

the Deepest sense to be an original person to be genuine not creative mind you creativity can be used sometimes it's sometimes it's a little bit wankery you know like i want to be creative i i want to create i want to create i want to be remembered but to be in the purest sense is an original task it's um and that's that's for me greatness You know thank you so much man thank you very much it's great thank you you