Ep. 340 | Grounding: The Most Important Health Discovery Ever!

[Music] hello everybody welcome to the minimalist podcast where we discuss what it means to live a meaningful life with less my name is joshua fields milburn and i'm ryan nicodemus and together we are the minimalists we have made more progress in recent years than any other time in human history automobiles planes smartphones antibiotics comfortable shoes the list of progress is endless but have some of these so-called advancements disconnected us from our humanity have our achievements actually caused us more suffering i rarely make brazen claims but today on the public podcast we're talking about something that

has personally changed my life we're talking about earthing we're talking about grounding with our new friend clint ober he's the author of this book it's called earthing and the subtitle is the most important discovery ever now hold this up if you're watching on youtube clint thank you for being here today yeah thank you for having me i really appreciate the opportunity to be here and share it's awesome to be here and yeah as your subtitle says it is the most important health discovery it's it's amazing i can't wait to dive into it i thought that

was hyperbole when i first read it i was like oh no what do you mean how could earthing what is her thing yeah we're gonna talk about that today we're gonna talk about a lot also this thursday on the minimalist private podcast ryan clint and i we're gonna talk about harmful emfs we're gonna talk about the damage caused by disconnection we'll dive deep into clint's personal story with grounding and health issues and we're gonna talk about alternative healing practices that have helped people who haven't found relief from traditional medicine you can check that out at

patreon.com the minimalist your support keeps our podcast and youtube channel 100 advertisement free because advertisements suck now clint let me just start here okay man few things have changed my life like earthing has one year ago this month i was looking for something to help with some pain some autoimmune related pain i tried a bunch of different things some things helped a little bit sometimes it was like putting a band-aid on a bullet hole and then i stumbled across grounding and i stumbled across you and your work and you made this great film this movie

about earthing and i was like this seems a little crazy but i gotta i gotta check this out i wanna start the episode by saying none of this is medical advice consult your doctor there's some information that we're gonna be sharing with you today but uh we're not giving you any advice here but of course long-time listeners of the podcast know ryan and i are not in the advice business anyway let's start with a question here a question from one of our patreon supporters tanya has a question for us what is the science behind grounding

and how can i explain it to my husband who dislikes anything he perceives as hippie woo-woo or spiritual sounds like me this is the number one question because even i who have benefited so much from earthing i have trouble explaining it in a way that doesn't seem absolutely insane but thankfully we have clint over here who wrote this book with the medical doctor and martin zucker and and so there's a lot of science in the book but what is the science behind grounding how do i explain it to a layperson clint well i've spent 23

years trying to do that and i'm still very challenged but the thing i've learned over the years is the only way you can really explain what grounding i can explain it technically is very simple the earth has a negative charge that's why we ground everything electrical to the earth in order to maintain electrical stability the human body is the most electrical thing in our environment and it and it used to be naturally grounded to the earth before the 60s when we invented rubber sole shoes but everything in the body needs to i mean we need

to be grounded and for electrical stability and primarily our immune system but it takes a little bit to explain that and most people don't want to learn the tech they don't want to learn the science they just said if this works um give me give me two i need one for me and one for my mom um but basically what i have learned is i started out grounding people one at a time 23 years ago and then sometimes 100 at a time sometimes 300 500 800 uh the longevity conferences with david wolf we would ground

up to 1500 people at a time but by grounding people and letting them experience it for a half hour or an hour or three days during a seminar uh it's life-changing and people get up and say why didn't somebody tell me about this and it's really a challenge so it's really the best way to understand grounding is to look at the earthing movie because there is a body of evidence that speaks to most women moms and caregivers and then go outdoors take a chair put your take your shoes off put your put the chair outdoors

on the grass put your feet on the grass or just sit on the grass with your hands and your feet and experience grounding yeah if you have inflammation and pain in your but if you have pain in your body you have inflammation you can't have pain without inflammation so what grounding does is it reduces the inflammation in your body there's a whole science behind it there's 20 peer-reviewed published studies on it uh you have the earthing movie there's a plethora of material out there but it's really as simple as going outdoors and doing your own

study putting your bare feet on the earth putting your hands on the earth and notice the difference you'll go to the beach for a few hours yeah and notice how you feel after i like after i go surfing like i mean i'm tired but i always feel more relaxed when i get out of the ocean for sure so but but it's really it's it's all about we used to be naturally grounded all animals who live in nature they are naturally grounded they don't suffer cardiovascular disease lupus ms autism and cancer and all of these modern

health disorders yet the animals who live indoors with their owners they all suffer the same health disorders as their owners meaning 50 of them die from cancer just like their owners but cancer rarely exist if at all in nature so is we've disconnected from this energetic source that maintains the electrical stability of the body and primarily the immune system yeah so so you could you know scientifically talk about like the charge that the body holds and how this basically creates a perfect environment for inflammation to to persist and how grounding can kind of take out

that uh that electric charge but really what i hear you saying clint is seeing is believing and that's how most of us really are try it out for ourselves actually see how it works you got to do your own research yeah but it's free yeah and it's enjoyable it's fun yeah i totally and so when i first heard about this i'm like okay let me i'm i'm in so much pain at the time not anymore thanks to clint and thanks to earthing thanks to mother earth in general he just helped connect me reconnect me to

the earth and what i realized is oh i'm 40 now i've been disconnected even as i was pictures of me as a baby learning to walk with shoes on yeah i have been so disconnected from the earth and i didn't realize that i was an electric electrical being i don't know a whole lot about biology i don't know a whole lot about electricity i don't know a whole lot about earth and electrons and negative charge versus positive charge i know a lot now because i read earthing and what earthing did for me is it made

it real not only are there real life stories in your book of real life people who have healed it convinced me enough without trying to convince me it convinced me of seeing these other people it's at least worth trying yeah and i remember the first day that i went earthing it was free i had no product no service no subscription no money paid i simply took my shoes off put them in the dirt and not instantly but within an hour i started to feel some relief yeah and then i started grounding every night eventually i

went to a clinton and got some uh i paid for all of it this is not this is not a sponsored sort of thing right here um we've got a grounding mat for my bed we're standing on grounding mats here in our studio right now that connect us back to the earth so you don't have to have any products earthing is 100 free i was in the ocean this weekend and how wonderful is that free earthing but what i noticed after a couple weeks after six weeks my whole life had changed appreciably and what i

noticed is that grounding didn't heal me it's almost as though it was removing the things that were creating the disease in my life can you talk a bit about that yeah it's like in nature and i spoke about the animals in nature health is your most natural state unhealth doesn't exist in nature because you're it's going to take you out but but anyhow what i've learned over the years 20 years i've been doing this for 23 years mostly observational i'm an observationist and i grew up in nature so i kind of relate everything to the

natural world and that's my more my guide but but basically all the research that we did really is about uh removing you know grounding people to the earth who had autoimmune or inflammation related health disorders and so what we you know they would have the flaring arthritic pain so we ground them to the earth and the pain drains away and and their body returns to normal so it's just cowboy logic i grew up on a ranch cowboy riding chasing cows but anyhow um it's cowboy logic in the sense it's just it's obvious uh and so

we've tried to put the science behind it we have millions and millions of dollars worth of research and and that was for the researchers for the fda for everybody to understand to be able to here's a body of evidence to help people understand what it's about but the average person it's about my life is so busy i don't have time for any of this if it works i tell me about what do i have to do yeah and if it works on one two of them but anyhow it's really it's about removing charge from the

body and putting the body back in its most natural electrical state which is neutral with the earth so that there and then if there is any charge in the body the free electrons from the earth will instantly neutralize it and maintain the internal uh workings or the integrity of the electrical functioning of everything that goes on in the body and everything in the body is electrical first chemical second hmm every cell everything that goes on in the body it's it's about electro it's a it's it's electrical that's that's amazing you know josh when you first

were telling me about grounding yeah i thought it was woo-woo i thought i was a little hippie i know i got long hair but that doesn't mean i'm a hippie so but i'm not adverse stuff i try to hold space for these things but i really expected you know uh it to be similar to like the whole idea of like here uh use this crystal to like heal something but actually it makes me wonder yes yes i know exactly where you're going where am i going with it it makes me wonder like some of these

things that i always thought were nonsense how much of it is actually nonsense yeah yeah and then specifically with the crystals i'm wondering if there's something with the crystals that take away if there's certain crystals that take away like a negative charge i don't i don't know but it makes me think like maybe if there is any type of substance to these crystal claims maybe it has something to do with the electricity in our body i don't know do you know we set that aside so we don't get too woo for this because this is

really about reconnecting ourselves with the earth and there is what i've learned over the last year clint is there is nothing that is so radical about this in fact it's aggressively simple what we've done is radical by inadvertently accidentally disconnecting ourselves from the earth on the maximal episode this week you talked about how you saw this group of tourists and they were all wearing the same white nike shoes and it that was sort of your epiphany like oh wait a minute maybe we've accidentally disconnected from the earth and that disconnection has led to a whole

lot of suffering things like well you mentioned lupus but even things like sleep apnea jet lag lyme disease um nighttime frequent urination especially for men that used to be something i would wake up five times a night to pee and now it's zero or one time after grounding regularly so as we are grounding this leads me into cam's question from instagram in fact let's let's start there and then we'll uh we'll we'll keep on packing who would benefit most from grounding what are the most notable benefits so i've experienced a lot of personal benefits reduction

in inflammation seems to be the big one right because the inflammation is what leads to everything else yes okay the most important thing is if you have pain in your body you have inflammation if you are grounded to the earth part grounded to the earth and stayed there then it would resolve the inflammation and you can't have inflammation when you're grounded so that's the premise of grounding inflammation is something new it's only been around i mean the concept of describing inflammation came around 204 so it's only been around 18 years that's unbelievable yeah in high

school they weren't talking about inflammation no no so i'm did i am i getting the question totally yeah so who would benefit most from from earthing i mean anybody seems like anyone but yeah anyone who has pain in their body but most importantly women because women are more sensitive uh to the things in the environment maybe because of children and whatever i'm not sure but but they sense everything in their environment and it uh it affects their sympathetic nervous system so and the sympathetic effects fighter flight in in very subtle ways and so your body

becomes filled with cortisol which dampens in the parasympathetic and so on and and so that creates anxiety irritability pain and so on so but everybody is affected equally i think but women are the ones who are you put us this way 90 of the visits to a practitioner for female 18 90 of all nutraceuticals or pharmaceuticals are female men don't do anything no pain no gain until you have your first heart attack you don't take any of this serious yeah right and so what we're doing right now through a lot of our so-called solutions we're

actually creating more problems by not addressing the root of our pain the root of our illness the root of our dis ease and what grounding what reconnecting with the earth does it helps us create the electrical charge neutral charge in our body so that we have the opportunity to heal yes yeah it's a it's about restoring the body to normal in nature i mean throughout all time we were naturally grounded to the earth and our bodies were always had a negative charge so we have an immune system that evolved that operated with reactive oxygen species

which are electrically charged molecules never an issue not a problem as long as you're grounded you know because you have excess free electrons to mop up and prevent any collateral damage from the free radicals but when you lose your electron charge and your body's full of cortisol your ph is off which is another major electrical and your uh you know the radicals just start damaging cell and so you end up with a chain reaction of the immune system trying to put out a fire that it itself is creating because it doesn't know that it's no

longer grounded or doesn't have the natural resources that it used to have in nature yeah yeah let's check in with our live stream thanks uh to our patrons who are joining us live today do you have any questions in alabama we have a question from anita do you have any grounding tips for people in electric wheelchairs i get static electric shocks when i touch my grounded appliances at home after i've moved around in my wheelchair right yeah the the wheelchair would have rubber tires like rubber shoes you move around you have contact and separation so

she would be building a huge electrical charge um so there's a couple of simple ways to do it one is to get a grounding mat or something that's grounded a patcher but very simply you can i don't want to get too technical but you can just take a piece of metal tape and wrap it around you know the tire not the whole tire just somewhere you know on the wheel of the wheelchair and then as it touches the carpet it'll kind of equalize and discharge about 95 percent of the static charge but the main thing

is grounding reduces and prevents those charges in the first place to have that on your body while you're sitting and moving whatever that's perturbing the sympathetic nervous system i mean it's the stress there's an environmental stressor so a mat might be good you know i'm not sure exactly how to touch but go touch of a cold water pipe or the cold water faucet or touch the stainless steel sink or touch the stove that has metal i mean there's many ways to do this to dissipate this charge but she doesn't want the spark well the spark

is um you have to go back and figure out the cost what's causing it you're building this charge on your body you need to find a way to dissipate it along the way rather than let it build up to the point that you have five six thousand volts yeah which is what it takes to create that spark and it could be also there are plenty of other opportunities to to ground either so if you're stationary in a wheelchair yes right or if you're even just stationary at a desk yes like and you're sitting there you

can have some sort of grounding mat that plugs into the ground of the wall and uh and you can eliminate that static that way but also when you're sleeping at night you're gonna be sleeping somewhere usually in a bed you can use a grounding mat there to to ground yourself for you know we spend more time in bed than just about anywhere else and it's the one time where we can assure that we are staying grounded right and the main thing in bed you're sleeping on a foam mattress all mattresses have foam and then you

have dissimilar fabrics meaning polyester mattress ticking and then hopefully you have cotton sheets because they don't store the static but if you have polyester in your sheets and your blankets then there's going to be a static so you're sleeping in static and you need to get rid of that because it's unnatural to have the body charged with static electricity especially high voltage and people are unaware of it yeah they do have those things you throw in the washer and dryer you know oh yeah like the dryer sheets is that the dryer sheets to help reduce

statically yeah yeah yeah it's like we it's there uh and the only way we notice it is through things like inflammation but we can't connect it with the the buildup of electricity yeah that's the only way yeah clint you were talking about that on the the maximal episode which we already recorded but you were getting into your story and you realized that as you started grounding some of the pain was gone and that was just like a really nice byproduct for you for me and for a lot of people they're seeking out the end of

suffering the reduction of pain for you it was like oh wow this is a amazing benefit especially with the people you started working with yeah i i started out thinking that it improved sleep because i could measure things and see things but most of all i i i went to sleep easier and i slept better and longer but a few days later i recognized via the help of one of my friends bringing it to my attention that most of my chronic pain had resolved i i didn't have and to explain that i grew up on

a ranch uh as a cowboy and you know they're crazy people they ride they ride stairs just for the weekend to entertain themselves but i skied for maybe 30 over 30 years i played tennis i've had every injury you can think of i've had surgeries i've had and and it at 49.50 when i started to 54 when i started to understand all of this my body was full of pain i mean i lived in pain and i would go outdoors sometimes and look up at the sky and say god why did you make my body

with so much pain in it and then i realized he didn't later [Laughter] but anyhow um yeah so the thing i learned most of all as a byproduct that after i stopped grounded for a few nights that my pain went away and i didn't even know it went away because you don't remember pain if you can't remember pain when it goes away it's just not possible yeah do you have any stories that really stand out to you of people who have been helped immediately and who've been suffering for a long time any any stories that

really stand out yes we were doing a study up in san francisco area and we had a half a dozen people that we were doing uh in fact it's in the book there's pictures of it thermal imaging so we could uh set up a thermal camera and see the inflammation in the body then ground the bottom of the foot or whatever for 30 40 minutes and then you know retake the thermal image or just take a video of the thermal imaging so we could see the color change you know over the half hour so but

this one lady had been had a knee injury and she had had it for about 30 years and in a small limp and 30 minutes after grounding her the pain went away and several months after that that she indicated that the pain never came back wow so what happened was there was a pocket of inflammation in the body that was walled off that's how the body does that to protect the rest of the body and it was oxidizing and degenerating the tissue and so on and then as soon as you got grounded put the fire

out then the immune system could go immediately clean it up but i've seen people have dramatic uh results in five minutes life-changing results in five minutes i have seen uh things that i can't really get into sometimes because of the nature because they're so um sensitive to certain people like especially women and but it's it's just remarkable it's uh again when people are in pain you know um and then all of a sudden they get out of pain and a few days later oh i don't know you know it's amazing yeah i mean you do

remember the the suffering it's hard you can't replicate it in your mind but you you can remember your lowest points when you were in excruciating pain and i can certainly remember that but it feels so distant to me now since i've been grounding consistently every day let's talk about some of the best ways to go grounding it's absolutely free to go grounding uh for me i walk to the studio quite frequently i walk through people's yards it's about a 30-minute walk and i'll just walk on some grass or even some concrete it can be okay

if it's on the earth there and um especially if it's like a slightly damp or your feet are a little damp but can you talk about some of the best places to go grounding yeah sure for 20 years i've been trying to educate as many people as i can about grounding the number one thing i tell them i said don't run out and go crazy about anything just go outdoors take a chair into your backyard or on your patio your concrete patio and take your shoes off and put your bare feet on the earth and

just sit there for 30 minutes and notice what happens in your body you're going to have a reduction of pain you're going to feel better your demeanor is going to change your your color is going to come back your circulation is going to improve that brings your color back but most of all the pain and the anxiety irritability and stress and the anger that's in your body it all dissipates and disappears you can't be mad if somebody if you're sitting outdoors you know grounded to the earth i mean all that goes away um so but

anyhow then the most the simplest thing to do is to go outdoors and experiment and that's what everybody tells me after they see the earthly movie the first thing i do is go outdoors and see if this is true we'll put a link to the earthy movie in the show notes by the way if you want to check it out it's free to watch on youtube and it's also thankfully commercial free yeah it is commercial free and then we have a little 15 minute preview of it that uh i don't know i think they called

the grounded but um down to earth is what it's called anyhow that one was seen by 60 million people and we never advertised it it was just word of mouth people wanted to share i share it with people all the time i buy this book by the case and hand it out to friends and family yeah and this is like the third or fourth copy of mine that i've owned you see all the underlines in it but i what happens is someone will say i'm really in pain i'm like here you got to check this

out you have to reconnect with the earth if you want to end that suffering right so the the next thing would be to um you know go for a walk in the park barefoot uh go to the beach any of those nature things natural things think echo therapy i want to get back in nature so anything that is a nature flare to it is usually grounded i mean here you can walk on the concrete it's perfectly grounded because the humidity there's moisture concrete holds moisture the humidity and then of course the rain and so on

there's a high conductivity level in concrete but asphalt won't be because asphalt won't be so things you can't do carpets um glass tile floors or baked tile floors um the imitation woods or the plastics all the flooring in our homes generally is not conductive and that's what happens that's why it creates that static charge on our body um but the best things to do are just find a little space in nature create your own little sandbox if you have to where you can go and after work sit and put your feet in the earth for

30 minutes and drain the pain drain you're not really training about what's happening electrons are coming from the earth and they're putting out the fire but it's the same concept um so catch a cold water faucet take out take a bath you know especially if you have a home that was built before you know all the plastic piping and everything came along your bathtub would be grounded because of the piping and the cold water is always grounded to the earth yeah i don't really know you kind of have to experiment but the main thing is

just touch earth barefoot on the earth no matter where it is no matter what it is whether it's pretty earth grass or flowered earth or dirt it's all the same it's electrical i mean it conducts an electrical it's it's you know it's equal around the it's around the globe and electro and ground travels i mean it's speed of light you know so it's fast it's not something you're going to eat a pill it's going to take an effect this is instant like flipping a switch and the healing also has to do with the dosage so

to speak unlike a taking a pill we're not covering something up but if you're earthing every day for multiple hours a day whether it's on a pad at night or you're walking on the beach every day or just through yards if you're reconnecting with the earth you're going to experience more of those those benefits yeah yeah earthing is cumulative in nature like the animals you'd be grounded 24 7 and you couldn't have any of these modern degenerative health disorders they just don't exist yeah but in so what i try to tell people is any amount

of grounding is good and more is better but if you have pain in your body you have to get grounded and stay grounded until it goes away because your body's on fire and it's creating you know you know cellular tissue damage and so on but the more you ground you put the fire out for even just a short period and the inflammation will come back and then you ground more but there is a cumulative effect yes so over a period of months then your body is going to be healthier and the inflammation isn't going to

be so out of control and you know there are environmental stresses out there like dust or pollution and you know lots of craziness but you have to it's about your immune system you want to ground put the fire out so your immune system can clean up that damage and then go back to maintaining and sustaining health we don't realize it but all of these autoimmune conditions that people have uh crohn's disease ulcerative colitis rheumatoid arthritis ms et cetera et cetera i could give you a whole list yeah there's 85 of them oh wow and so

those are all inflammation related yes so what inflammation means is a real it's really an autoimmune disorder inflammation is a byproduct you know so the immune system is misfiring i mean it's it's sending a a white blood cell to reduce a pathogen or a damaged cell and in the process it's creating reactive oxygen species and there's no ground to reduce any excess and so the excess radicals are ripping electrons from healthy tissue and so it's kind of like burning along the log is on fire so the immune system is sending you know firepower the neutrophils

or you know cytokines or whatever uh to reduce and prevent damage but because it doesn't have enough ground or enough free electrons in the body enough redox potential or your ph is way off there throws a ph of so if you don't have enough ground it's a terrible word but if you don't have enough earth's free electrons or earths um electrical stability you know whatever negative negative charge anyhow then um you're going to have inflammation so it's it's really just get grounded let you know the body of absorbs these free electrons uh they saturate the

body to saturate the tissue the red blood cells become negatively charged and you know you can't have inflammation i don't know if i got off track there you have to breathe well i'll tell you 13 months ago i would wake up in the morning my ankles especially if i had eaten something that had triggered yes some sort of inflammation a nightshade vegetable for example i would wake up in the morning with nine out of 10 pain in my ankles especially i felt like someone rolled my ankles i used to play basketball when you roll your

ankle you have an acute injury and there's inflammation there but it felt like that most mornings for me it doesn't feel like that ever now with grounding because i've removed uh that that inflammation from my body yeah well what you've done is you've flooded with the body with free electrons right from the earth and so inflammation can't exist it can't manifest when your body's grounded ryan what time is it you know what time it is it's time for the lightning round where we answer your text messages you can text your questions your comments your smart

remarks to area code 937-202-4654 yes indeed those texts actually go to both of our phones i'd love to hear for folks who have tried grounding what are some of your uh subjective experiences that you've had by the way if you uh text us you also get on our monday morning minimal maxims each monday we just send out a text message no advertisers no junk no spam we start your week off with a little bit of simple living and so clint what we try to do is we answer these questions with short shareable less than 140

character response but not really we ramble on a bit and then podcast john he makes it look beautiful in the show notes yeah so people can copy and share our pithy answers on social media if they'd like alabama it looks like sarah has a question for us if grounding is so beneficial why doesn't mainstream medicine discuss it more often now ryan when you first read this question what did you think it said i thought it said mainstream media and then i get i sent josh my pithy answers so he can like uh polish them up

for me and make them nice and beautiful for the show and he sent it back and he was like the the question doesn't say anything about mainstream media and then i look at the questions again and still saw mainstream media i'm like yes it does and then after like a fourth time reading i was like oh it's mainstream medicine but there are some similarities between the two expand on that clan because you said the same thing okay you know i have we have a lot of doctors who use earthing products yes and we have one

that i referred to because it was one of the first ones i ran into cardiologists and there's like three or four colleague cardiologists in this in this group and they kept ordering what we call a recovery bag and one day he ordered some and i said you know i'm going to be driving by and down in encinitas and i said i'd like to drop them off for you and just meet you and so i did and ran into the office and said gave him to him and i said what do you do with these things

he says oh we use them for our staff to stay off the hypertension meds and i said okay i didn't know too much about any of that at the time and um then i said well why don't you give these to your clients and to your people he said oh he put his hand on my shoulder he says son he said he pointed at the door and he said every time somebody walks through that door they're worth x number of dollars for testing now don't take this wrong this is not attacking docs this is this

is a statement about our times in our culture but anyhow i said every time somebody walks through that door he said first of all i'm gonna run test and and you know it's worth some large amount of money then if i don't give them script they're going to go somewhere else and they're my cable system i need those people to come back every so many months because that's how you know i make my living so but anyhow the point of that was not to knock doctors at all what it is is like he said i'm

married to a woman who's married to a doctor that wants to live like a woman who's married to a doctor okay that's part of it meaning she spends money and i'm not picking a woman here at all but um beyond that i've got all the staff i've got this building i've got lights i have um you know lots of overhead i'm still paying for school you know 12 15 years of medical school oh my goodness yeah and so this is a business yes and it's a business taking care of you these people aren't grounded they're

not going to get grounded in their words they just want palliative care meaning things to help them cope with their health disorder and and make it to wherever and there's a whole big crop coming right behind them yeah so this is a business so you're nobody's going to stop doing what they do because there's no money in grounding yeah you can't tell somebody to go home and get well for free yeah yeah yes yeah so that's one huge piece of it right and then also josh was talking about how like your doctor wouldn't bring it

up because he said he didn't want to lose credibility that's right yeah because any and he's a functional medicine doctor he does a lot of things that are sort of outside the the conventional mainstream narrative but and we had tried a bunch of unconventional things and then when i stumbled across earth thing i realized well wait a minute i went to talk to the doctor about and he was like i'm just ashamed i didn't tell you about this sooner because i i felt like you wouldn't have believed me and the truth is i may not

have that's right because of the very first question you were asked by tanya was how do i explain this to people without sounding hippie or woo-woo or or spiritual or whatever it's like the way that we explain it is it's reconnecting to our ancestors because for hundreds of thousands of years we and all other living beings have been connected to earth we recently disconnected ourselves and along with that disconnection has come dis-ease yeah fire yeah we are on fire well here's a pithy answer for you the truth is the truth regardless of our beliefs so

that's really a roundabout way to address sarah's question here yes maybe your mainstream doctor doesn't know about the truth that's part of it a lot of them know they know what they know yeah and they've specialized in that and then also it like a place like california for example if you're a cancer doctor if you're an oncologist and you try to treat cancer outside of basically chemotherapy or radiation you are they remove your medical license exactly and so you as a doctor you also have to be careful that you're stepping outside the bounds of the

law that you have you may not be able to help people with unconventional treatments in a legal way because of the restrictions that are put in place for your industry and there's a reason for all of that there there has to be a standard protocol yes that everybody can work with and hopefully they advance that and you have the institutions the medical i mean the universities you have all of those everybody's working in trying to improve drugs and improve medical equipment and protocols but the problem is they're oblivious to the effects of grounding the it's

an environmental health disorder we we've changed our bio terrain yes you know it's but most people aren't aware of that and doctors can't get into you into your your lifestyle and what you eat and what you think because all these things are contributing to this inflammation and um so all they can do is help you cope with what you are presenting they have a computer okay it's okay to give you this it's okay to give you that and it's just the way it is today and it's going to change and it's going to be moms

with autistic children and mothers who that they're taking care of that are in with debilitating arthritis and various other things it's going to be these young moms who are going to change the world yeah because when you start to see pain relief for you or for the people you love now you're eager because it's added value to your life in some way you're eager to share that with other people that's why i i've bought more copies of this book i think than any other book this and the total money makeover those two things life-changing i

i've uh just handed them out like you know candy except it's much healthier for you ryan you got some of the pithy for us yeah so the pithy answer that i that i sent josh and uh uh yeah it said this mainstream media prioritizes your attention over your well-being so mainstream media prioritizes your attention over your well-being and the same thing can be said with mainstream medicine they want your time they want your money um yes they'll give you some things to to cure some ailments but they are prioritizing uh things before your well-being for

sure and it doesn't mean the doctors don't want to help you but as clint elucidated here there are other factors involved yeah you know i i wouldn't if it weren't for doctors i wouldn't be here yeah of course yes and so i i have a high respect for those who are on point and absolutely doing the right things you have the right principles but to a large degree america capitalism not just america the world but capitalism and you know money you know the wall street and all of these things it's all about making money yeah

and pharmaceuticals and drug companies are all about making money insurance companies are public they have to create more revenue to increase shareholder value so they have to forever raise prices and and so on and so on but it goes on and on but we live in a society where money is at the bottom it's the driving force behind everything yeah so advertising media whatever media they'll take a controversial history and get on one side or the other just so they can get eyeballs because they get they make money by the amount of eyeballs that are

watching their program yeah we get so much pressure to do advertisements on our podcast and it isn't a moral stance i just think that advertisements are are gross yeah and so i'm really thankful for our patreon supporters because they keep the podcast advertisement free even for the people who don't pay to get you know we do two episodes every week we do a minimal episode a maximal episode the maxwell episode is a deeper dive we could talk about some things there like clint told this whole story 40 minutes of him living in montana and connecting

with native americans and we were really able to dive deep there but it's thanks to our patreon supporters not thanks to yeah this episode is brought to you by pfizer right exactly brought to you by big mac and here's here's the thing because you mentioned the financial responsibility but it's even illegal to not put money first because these companies have a fiduciary responsibility to give money back to their shareholders and so how you can't have a fiduciary responsibility and then also recommend earthing no or yeah you know work or you can't be a benevolent caring

human being you have to look everything about money i have my oldest daughter uh her husband went through med school he's uh radiology runs the radiology department for the mayo clinic and when he started out he wanted to be a a naturopath and he wanted to be helping and and you know you know like most doctors i believe when they start yeah they want to be humanitarian so yes but as time went on it turned into money so all of a sudden his life was not about what he had in his dream when he went

to college it's about you know making money for the institution and there's nothing that's the way it is you can't say it's good or bad or whatever it is the way it is we have built this system we're locked into it but the only way it can change is moms there's no nobody else is going to change it i can tell you my wife has and she is so healthy but even her you know she would never she doesn't have any chronic pain or anything like that but as a 40 year old woman uh she

was 38 when we started grounding she started experiencing better sleep marginally improved at first and then improved appreciably and then her nervous system calmed down the chaos my seven-year-old daughter her nervous system calmed down she was less sensitive to lights and loud noises exactly and all from reconnecting with the earth and rounding out the stress in your body oh man grounding out the cortisol yeah well real quick for right here right now here's one thing that's going on in the life of the minimalist i know we mentioned patreon earlier but this week we're putting up

the fifth and final studio tour although i don't think it's gonna be the final because we're getting ready to make a whole change in the studio yeah so it'll be the fifth and final part of season one of the studio tour so we got five different studio tours up there right now patreon.com the minimalist that's for the true fan tier and the vips alabama what else you got for us here are some voicemail comments and insights from our listeners hey josh and ryan uh brad in new york here i have suggestions to people trying to

get rid of items it doesn't necessarily have to be a physical object deleting superfluous apps from your phone can count too digital clutter is still clutter hey guys my name is justin and i'm calling from columbus ohio hopefully you guys are aware in your home home state of ohio that the opioid prescription crisis is at an all-time high when it comes to the abuse and misuse of prescription medication and one of the things that's been developed through the ohio state university is a program called generation rx and one of the key takeaways is educating the

public about the proper use of prescription medication as well as the proper disposal as i've been listening to your guys's podcast and learning about some of the principles that you guys are teaching on it can be applied to as a potential solution for this crisis and by applying the simplifying and minimalizing your drug cabinet or your medicine cabinet and going through and properly disposing of prescription medications that aren't being used because one out of four people that misuse or abuse a prescription drug got them from a family member or friend a lot of times that's

just prescription drugs that are hanging out in the medicine cabinet you know that can be uh minimized when they're no longer needed all right y'all before we wrap up and get to our added value segment i want to thank clint ober for being here today and we just want to acknowledge you for writing this book yeah earthing the most important health discovery ever if folks want to check it out we'll put a link to the book in the show notes we'll also put a link to your film which is available to watch for free on

youtube and commercial free and also they can check out earthing.com in fact that's our added value this week all of the products that you sell although you were stumbled into this people were begging you and in fact i would be the first person to beg you for this because the grounding mat that i have on my bed totally changed my life because it means every night i'm grounding for eight hours the grounding mats we're standing on right now we didn't get them for free ryan and i paid for these grounding mats and um all of

your other products that you offer at earthing.com is because there was a strong demand right i will say this though you don't need any product to go earthing amen you can do it for free and you have the heart of a servant you're trying to help people educate people and that's what really all of this is about and i'm so grateful you decided to join us today man yeah thanks clint thanks for giving me the opportunity to share with your people if you uh want to connect with all the science as well clint runs the

earthing institute you can find it at earthing institute dot net we'll put a link to all of that in the show notes by the way we got a bunch more surprise questions this week like in what ways are man-made emfs harming us can we ground while wearing socks can we ground on concrete how does grounding relate to pemf therapy infrared saunas and other alternative healing practices plus a million more questions for clint ober and the minimalists and if you want to hear all that check out the minimalist private podcast this week visit patreon.com the minimalist

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