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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day good to see you my friend oh good to see you man strange times we're living in uh the strangest and getting stranger didn't some [ __ ] go down today didn't we steal the president of Venezuela's plane oh I didn't hear about yeah I think we just stole his plane I didn't no not us okay good the United States All right which is kind of an act of War what is that was he in it I

don't think so no I think we just stole his plane C just like for a joy ride so what's the story us seizes Venezuela president Nicholas maduro's airplane in the Dominican Republic so we said nope we're stealing that how does that work even if you don't get along with like a president of a country how disrespectful is it to steal their plane this you're right it's an act of War like imagine if XI jingping landed somewhere we're like we're going to steal your [ __ ] plane yeah no chance that's a bully move that's a

move you can only do to a country like Venezuela yes well I I'm trying to remember exactly what the story was but there was a point where Ecuador was acting very courageously with respect to Julian Assange and there was a question about whether the president of Ecuador could fly Assange out so that he could be outside of the Embassy and inside of Ecuador proper and I believe the reasoning was they couldn't do it because they expected the plane to be forced down same same issue so this says uh Merck Garland said that the justice department

seized an aircraft we allege was illegally purchased for $13 million through a shell company and smuggled out of the United States for use by Nicholas Madura and his cronies what what business is that of ours though this is what I don't Understand like if it was purchased through a shell company then it was purchased right and was there was there a trial that established that this was Otten gain it says smuggled out of the United States the plane was purchased from a company in Florida the justice department said and was illegally exported in April 2023

from the United States to Venezuela through the Caribbean so are we not allowed to sell them Planes is that what it is like cuz we have a problem with them would they say how much it cost 13 million bucks yeah okay so he's got this $13 million plane a desault falcon 900 ex since been used to fly almost exclusively to and from military base in Venezuela justice department said CNN reached out to Venezuelan government us huh it seems like though that's like that's there's more to it than yeah that plane was uh illegal you shouldn't

have that plane For years officials have sought to disrupt the flow of billions of dollars to the regime Homeland Security investigations the second largest investigative agency in the federal government has seized dozens of luxury Vehicles among other assets headed to Venezuela so there's a US sanction so there's a sanction this is it the plane was seized in violation of us sanctions with Venezuela and other criminal matters that we're looking in at Regarding this aircraft they're going to find a reason to keep it like they stole all those boats from all those Russian cats yeah sorry

too rich and you know Putin give me your boat well that's the thing is there's there's a hidden story for everything and this is about you know incentivizing the world and we in the public don't get to know the real story don't you think now though um most people I feel like gen genuinely most People are aware there's more to the story every story everything in the news every time something comes up people like what the whole story here well you know I I coined this term the cartisian crisis and the cartisian crisis basically means

the point at which you can't really be certain of anything and the problem is yes I do think people are catching on to the fact that they never know the real story but the response to that is either that you start believing The [ __ ] that they tell you or that you just become cynical and stop believing anything and neither of those are functional ways to exist and both those ways are good for the people that are running scams exactly they're good for the people who want to maintain power it just keeps us back

on our heels yeah because if you don't know what's true and what's not true you're like oh jeez you know and then you get cynical oh it's all [ __ ] this whole system Is rigged then you just go fishing right and that and that's the thing people don't understand is at the point that you think you're striking a Blow by checking out of their system you're actually doing them a favor right it's actually beneficial to them because then you have a smaller number of people that are voting so essentially in the 2020 elections it

was a the largest ever uh win right the the Democrats got 80 something million votes which is uh so Let's say let's see even if it was 50/50 so somewhere in the neighborhood of 160 million people how many people are women and CH I mean how many people are children women can vote what am I saying how many people are are children rather oh geez I have no idea on the percentage under 18 it's probably in the 30% so that's a pretty high turnout yes if that was even if it was real yeah that's the

problem we have no there that's the problem with the whole cynical game Because I'm not convinced I you know why I'm not convinced because everybody wants me to be convinced when when they like yell at you if you ask a question like hey what one of the things that I've always said and everyone sort of agrees with this I mean literally everyone even people that think that the the election was 100% legitimate the percentage of voter fraud is never zero correct and they're always like yes no one can say it's zero it's Not zero there's

a bunch of slippery people that get arrested on both sides of the aisle Republicans and Democrats get arrested for election fraud it's a real crime the idea that they commit all these other acts of Fraud and deception but when it comes to elections Brett that's a sacred institution that we don't violate at any cost yep well and and the way they maintain that story is by ruthlessly punishing anybody who questions it even Though questioning it is the obvious thing to do because for one thing elections used to be different as you remember right first of

all you used to vote in person and voting by mail was something you were very reluctant to do because you knew that if your vote got counted it was going to be very late in the process it wasn't really going to matter it was mostly for soldiers serving overseas right exactly it was for people who just simply couldn't vote In person and it never really mattered except in very rare cases The Disappearance of that and the normalization of voting by mail the normalization of voting across a period of time so that you're not all voting

on the same day and the absence of exit polls right when everybody's voting from home or wherever you can't detect fraud by virtue of the fact that the count that came in from that Precinct didn't match what the exit pollers registered Right and so you know I don't think we are wrong to imagine that we have lost the ability to check whether an election is fair and that that's not an accident that that o that leaves the possibility open to cheat and as you point out they cheat in every other way are we supposed to

believe that they won't do that because their patriotism is so deep I don't see any patriotism to them at all well not only that they've established this narrative that it's imperative that The Democrats win to save democracy right so they've already made all of these uh statements that would it's more important for them to win than anything more important than anything more important than having primaries more important than letting the people decide who the representative is more important than having like live actual conversations interviews that aren't edited on CNN in said they have a 40

plus minute one that's edited down to 18 Minutes like what well and we just went through this with them over covid yeah we know that when they think they're in the right they feel entitled to lie about everything they feel entitled to coer and so the idea that we're supposed to imagine that our elections are somehow different to them I can't imagine how that would even work it doesn't make any sense and it's it's one of those things again that you're you're forced into agreeing with just out of Fear because people get very aggressive with

it just like people were super aggressive about the vaccine you know I I hate seeing people die because they made a poor choice but there's something insane about how many people were like Pro vaccine Advocates that were shaming people and angry at people and now they're dead and they're not dead because they ran their time and they got old and they died and you know it's Unfortunate but it happens to all uhuh no they're dead young like a lot a lot of people not one not 20 we don't even know what the real numbers are

because it's not something the mainstream media covers because they've all been vaccinated too and they're probably freaking the [ __ ] out too yeah it's a huge number of people we can detect that statistically it the trouble is that it's hard in any individual case to know whether or not you're looking at Something that would have happened anyway right um so you remember John Ritter yes from Threes Company sure died of a I work with him ruptur oh you did yeah did an episode of news radio with him super nice guy good guy yeah I

got that impression um anyway he died of a ruptured aorta if I remember correctly long before there was covid vaccine so the is if that had happed last year we'd all be saying come on in Hollywood he got and now look at him yep so it Happens 100% right but the rate at which it's happening has changed radically and the Very people who say oh that's not the vaccine are very uninterested in figuring out what it is so you know let's put two and two together well they don't even want to consider the vaccine which

is so crazy if you called it anything else if it wasn't called the vaccine if it wasn't for covid okay let's because Co became so it became so politicized and it be it was like Culturally so polarizing let's pretend it was for something else and there was some medication and the people that were taking that medication were dropping like flies they would 100% make a correlation and they would make it publicly and it'd be in the news of course it might not actually be in the news today because this is part of the problem with

what we're dealing with with advertising and the media is that there's so much revenue that come comes From pharmaceutical drug companies that there's just a reality about them reluctant to print or or put any stores on television that are negative there's too much money involved right there's too much money involved and it becomes impossible to override this narrative The Narrative takes on a reality of its own even though it is contradicted by the facts and we you know our our scientific tools are they're tremendously powerful at discovering Patterns like this it's not difficult to do

and yet we deliberately avoid using them in the ways that they were uh intended do you think in the future we'll we'll look back on this and there'll be some sort of a some some sort of a shift in the way we discuss it you know there's a lot of things in history that during the time where they were happening I'm sure people were all like the McCarthy era you know I'm sure people thought it was Very important to root out these Communists but they didn't exactly understand like hey you're calling a lot of people

Communists aren't even Communists you're going after people that just went to meetings to find know what's going on the world didn't exactly understand what that even meant Back Then There Was You know we look back at it now the Red Scare is like a a a negative thing it's a a dangerous sort of negative aspect of our history yeah Although you know I'm sure you're having the same experience were lots of stuff that you learned as a clear narrative like you know the Red Scare took over people and it was like a Witch Hunt and

the answer is actually more nuanced than that there was more truth to it than I was taught right the rosenbergs really were guilty of passing secrets to the Russians oh yeah there definitely was a lot of that so you know it's a mixed story right you asked the question Though if in the future we're going to have a different conversation about what's taking place and I just want to put a little placeholder there the answer kind of depends if there is a future and I worry a lot that not only are we headed into chaos

but that we are going to be denied the ability to have a proper historical account of the present that we're never going to understand what these stories were doing why they played out the way they did you know why People disappeared when they did and that that's not healthy you need to be able to create a record it's never going to be perfect but you need to be able to create a record of what took place that has been exposed to some kind of analytical standard so that you can correct your course if you don't

know what happened you can't improve on your thought process going forward and that's extremely dangerous it's like you know flying with a Blindfold yeah that's a great way to put it and I'm glad you did point out the fact that there were really things the red scar is a weird example because people would like to kind of dismiss the impact that Communists especially Russia was having on our our government and there was pretty big impact I mean they did steal the plans for the nuclear bomb there was a lot of [ __ ] that happened

because of actual communist interference but the the narrative when I was in high School was that the Red Scare was bad right right it was like everybody went crazy and they were all looking for which was true too but that's part of the problem when you don't know like back then no internet very little paper trail it's really hard to find out who's talking to who unless you like get get an actual listening device in the room and capture them talking yeah we we can't know and I you know it's it's important to get your

comeuppance on These stories you you grow up comfortable that you understand what happened during the Red Scare and then one day you're doing a little reading and you discover the story just isn't the one you were taught and um the more stories you dig into the more frequently that happens well if you just get one good one you're hooked for me it was the Kennedy assassination MH one good book on the Kennedy assassination I was like God damn it They killed the [ __ ] president it freaked me out forever that was like the I

literally had a a giant shift in how I viewed the world after reading that book CU before that I was never a questioner of whatever was in the news or whatever the narrative was that we were being told about anything well but I mean I I have exactly the same reaction to that story and I I've been down that rabbit hole and I think you're just ultimately left To the question something happened in 1963 that's before either of us were born right right that thing was either an anomaly that robbed the nation of a president

and the nation continued to be a Democratic Republic in the aftermath of it or that was interference with democracy and we don't know how to look at all of the seemingly Democratic things that have happened since how much of what has happened since are the People who took control with that assassination how much is them continuing to maintain control with a certain amount of democracy and how much was that a an aberration that then returned us to our normal course and uh that's a good point a certain amount of democracy a certain amount it's there's

clearly a certain amount yeah well which is one of the reasons why they're so terrified of trump like there's a certain amount of stealing they can do If if let's imagine if there are if it is dirty and you really can manipulate elections how much can you manipulate by can you manipulate it by 30% you know because we don't know and as long as they can have you believing in the polls this is what's really important polls KLA Harris is up by 3% oh she's up she's winning like who the [ __ ] are you

talking to who are you talking to right and and you're not talking to me what narrative is it in which comma has done Something that might have caused a surge in her popularity like I didn't see it well some magic it's like um you know there's that theory that concept about multiple dimensions in multiple universes that we all live M yeah this this possibility that there's infinite numbers of universes all around us all the time and we enter into a different timeline we entered into a different time well clearly I mean something happened I I

think I think the Multiverse thing is nonsense I think it's an accounting scheme for figuring out how to deal with the fact that actually the universe is not deterministic which people wrestle with because we don't exactly know why it isn't but um but to your point about how much can they cheat I call that factor which none of us can put a number on maybe they can right I call it the cheat Factor right the cheat margin and one of the things that I'm trying to Convince people of is that it's not hopeless because they

can cheat but it means that you have to succeed at a level that exceeds their capacity to erase it right so that's what we're talking about so we're talking about like maybe they can cheat by 10% right and what we know and I I think actually we owe Trump a huge debt of gratitude for proving something that I couldn't have told you if it was true before he won the presidency which Is is there still enough democracy left in the system for something to upend the plan right cuz he was clearly off narrative right and

he did become president so he you know he did something for us that I don't know anybody else who could have done it yeah it would take a person with that kind of personality that could withstand that kind of abuse cuz he didn't freak out at all when they went after him he's like right just brushed off like it was Nothing and no one's done that he's also the only guy that's ever gone through four years and didn't age like he went through 30 years that's true he aged normal yeah he's used to it he's

used to pressure you know and Bush he aged a ton Obama aged a ton everybody aged a ton Biden was already cooked before he got in but he's hard but he aged a ton I mean Biden from 2019 to today is a different person yeah and he was already visibly degraded but wow was it a Precipitous big jump now yeah Trump was fine yeah Trump physically and actually I think he sounds better I think you know he drives me crazy sometimes when he talks but I think he's getting better at it I think he's trying

to be a little bit more reasonable you know and try to appeal to more people because of that you know that effort to be more reasonable like he's he's changed his mind about a lot of things he's talking about legalizing marijuana he's talking About all these different things that are like where you know you're going to get a lot of different responses from like the hardcore Republicans are not going to be for that you know any any uh idea of abortion the hardcore right-wing or not interested at all and any restrictions on abortion at all

you get your hardcore left ring so it's the mostly it's the people in the middle abortion is a good one right because most people are like No one should be able to tell you what you could do with your body but also aborting an eight-month-old fetus is kind of [ __ ] insane yeah I mean I the funny thing and I've been saying this forever is that almost everybody agrees on the basics on abortion we're supposed to not be able to even talk about it but most people believe that abortion is negative that if you've

got a blastula right a clump of cells doesn't yet have a nervous system that you have the right To terminate that pregnancy and that the farther you go through that pregnancy the less right you have and most people are incredibly queasy about it I think as they should be in the third trimester and you know that's what we agree on and so it's really the extremists on both sides um that we are up against but to the question of what Trump is doing with an issue like this I want to make a couple points one

I think there are two issues that are Getting tangled one I think he's politically going to some places that are not traditionally Republican because I don't even think I think he's destroyed the Republican party I I just don't see the same Republican party I remember at all I see a different thing and it's fly it's a magga party yeah it's a magga party right exactly and that's a very different thing because I see Maga as Mostly the labor faction that was Cut Loose by the Democrats and the Clinton Administration and so they've now found a

home under Maga interesting right like cuz blue collar people were generally um Union people which were generally Democrats totally and then Clinton turned the Democratic party into a second corporate party so that those people were homeless and then Trump picked them up as Maga and they're now under the Republican Banner but it Doesn't read like the Republican party at all to me and now it's picked up a you know a a I don't want to say technocratic that's dismissive but it's got this this Silicon Valley component to it yes that's recent yep that's recent over

the last year yeah it is interesting right because we did Growing Up always associate unions and blueco collar people with voting Democrat because Democrats were looking out for the middle class looking out for People's best interest supporting unions and fair wages and funding schools and all that kind of stuff keeping neighborhood safe and Republicans were more like small government [ __ ] you figure it out I don't want to pay taxes yeah stingy and they were the ones that are encouraging War yep which is crazy today that you have this massive 180° shift and the

Democrats are talking about how important it is that we keep funding Ukraine and that you know we Have some sort of an whether you pro- Hamas or Pro Palestine I should say or whether you're pro- Israel there's involvement in that no one is saying neither no Democrats are saying we need to get the [ __ ] out of there right they're saying we need to free Palestine oh okay how are you gonna do that how are you gonna do that what do you how much is involved in that are you gonna bring in people you

gonna send people there like what are you going to do are You going to kill people for this what are we doing the Democrats are you guys are looking for war you're not looking for peaceful Solutions like this is kind of weird this is interesting you know that we need to beat Russia are you out of your [ __ ] mind are you serious do you know how big that placees do you know how much military force is behind Putin are you what are you talking about what are you talking like what if he just

decides to go nuclear at any point In time if he gets pressured you keep advancing further and further into Russia and he's like I'll just end this right now I'll just turn Kiev into a [ __ ] sandbox boom yeah and then what do we do no it's it's insane and the hardest part I'm sure you have these people in your life too but um let's just take my parents for a second okay my parents are good people lifelong Democrats they live in LA surrounded by Hollywood Types they cannot seem to grasp the fact that

the party that they believed in is now doing the inverse of everything they signed up for exactly because the New York Times rephrases everything so it seems like the values are still there right which is wild it's crazy and if you're not a New York Times reader it's you can barely figure out what these people are talking about did you see the article that I posted on my Instagram that's a title of a New York Times Article for today which one Jamie P pull this up I want I want Brett to see this so you

know this is real this isn't the Babylon B this is an actual New York Times article you see it yeah this is so crazy it's really hard to believe that someone would print this and the New York Times would say yeah we like it put it out there I I'm not quite sure what to expect oh yeah of course the Constitution is Sacred is it also dangerous right one of the biggest threats to America politics might be the country's founding document what the [ __ ] are you talking about yeah one of the biggest threats

to America's politics might be one of the greatest documents that any country was ever founded on if not the greatest ever mhm that could be a threat to America's politics what politics are we talking about like what how could you possibly Gaslight me enough to go along with you on this yeah it it's incredible I mean it's on the one hand completely predictable right because there's obviously an authoritarian Force there that just grinds its teeth at night over the Constitution and the fact that it prevents it from doing things that it just wants to do

last week you know and so of course there like scratching their heads like can we come up with an argument for why it might be time to get Rid of that thing and of course if you're a normal thinking person this is complete Insanity but if you're a New York Times reader I'm sure that fits with the kind of ethos that's been cultivated well this is why a person like Trump is so important to them because if you don't have someone that is an imminent threat on the horizon in 3 months it's very difficult to

justify all this [ __ ] so if you have KLA Harris and she's Competing against Ronda santis if it's just K Harris and Ronda sandis and Trump doesn't exist maybe he died maybe he died in the last few years you know what how could you you you wouldn't be able to make that argument you wouldn't there there's no imminent threat right right let's say Mitt Romney let's say someone even more moderate as a republican even more palatable you can't make that you can't make that argument that we don't need we can't Have a First Amendment

because the first amendment is getting in the way the first amendment is allowing people to say things that aren't true misinformation and disinformation and you know we're right here we're September 2nd um I think yesterday was the first day where Brazil banned Twitter I know so X is illegal to have in Brazil as of today as of yesterday not only is it illegal but you go through it through a VPN and they Will charge you $8,000 a day I know it's it's incredible that we are watching this insane but I would remind you they did

pull this stuff when it was Mitt Romney when it was George W bush right the rhetoric was still existential threat right and they always have particular versions of this right not not as ramped up as this is this is like Hitler Hitler talk this isn't they never talked about M Romney like he was Hitler I agree and as I've been saying since The beginning of this electoral cycle they fear Bobby Kennedy far more than they fear Trump because actually Trump gives them the only argument for their existence that is functional right they don't have an

affirmative argument for why they should be in power but being the alternative to Trump is you know that's a that's a pitch right um so we are now somewhere pretty interesting in the sense that I think you know to the faithful That argument still works but to a larger and larger group of people they're seeing right through it yeah they're understanding we first of all we lived through four years of trump right right they were good aspects there were bad aspects but you know it it was not distinguished as some moment of you know total

failure of our system or something right you know there were a lot of elements of it that were very positive right that's that's a and that's where a Fun meme is there's a fun meme that someone made about how uh you're telling me that he's going to do these things that he didn't when he was in office and you're telling me that you're going to do these things that you didn't do and you're in office now right like what and add to that you're doing the things that you're accusing him of intending to do right

all this law fair stuff that's frightening they're weaponizing the courts yeah and they're weaponizing the Courts over what was a misdemeanor with uh that's already if you look at the like Bill akman had a post that he made on Twitter laying out the legality of this 34 count um thing that they convicted him of that this is essentially an accounting error or deception that's a misdemeanor that is past the statute of limitations not only that but I don't think you have to really even squint at it to see that it's just simply Unconstitutional to point

the courts at particular people and not other people right right we have a constitutional right to equal protection under the law and obviously they are setting a different standard for Trump because they want to keep him tied up in court maybe they want to lock him up and put him in prison but whatever they're doing is unamerican it is anti-am and very dangerous because you've set a precedent now now let's imagine like we've gone Through shifts in this country where we leaned heavily left like during the Carter Administration was run by Sirus Lefty you know

and then what if now it is run by a hardcore right-winger what if there's some sort of an attack on American soil and it ramps up patriotism and people get real angry and and right the you know just like the left has moved so far left that if you're not in favor of hormone blockers for kids somehow you're transphobic and you're a Big bigot like somehow or another if you're not in favor of that you're a bigot what if it gets so right that if you're not in favor of you know stops and frisks all

over the country to for everyone than somehow or another you're uh anti- safety of the nation and if you're not in favor of no knock raids on people's homes with no warrants that somehow or another you're a danger to our democracy like it can go really creepy far right just like it's Really creepy far left and then they're utilizing the courts if they fill the courts up with a bunch of Hardcore Republicans now you're utilizing the courts against people in a way that you would find very offensive because you've made it you set a precedent

right and and I think actually we are already living this nightmare in one way because what they did was loaded Powers into the executive branch that were never supposed to be there they created Emperor likee discretion and they gave those powers to the president I think believing that they would never be in the hands of anybody that wasn't on their team right and I'm not talking red or blue right I'm talking about inside versus outside and one of the reasons that I think the reaction to Trump is what it was is that he was taking

over an office that had been given all of these exotic tools that he could in principle use against anybody these are Tools that are absolutely a violation of our Constitution and yet they exist there there and so the need to prevent him from having access to those things was existential in their mind and so anyway the point is they created tools they never expected to be in the hands of someone else and that is the situation that's the scenario you're describing here as well why do you think the Multiverse is [ __ ] I just

don't think it makes any Sense because um if you take the Multiverse literally so let me back up a second okay we have a principle that tells us more or less what is true called parsimony right we take the simplest explanation that accounts for what we observe and we imagine it's true and there's a little imperfection in there but if you had all the information it would it would work I think perfectly and then there's a flaw in how We apply it the Multiverse is analytically very simple right it's just one move oh there are

an infinite number of universes in every moment there are an infinite number of things that could happen and a universe is created for each one that's very simple I just said it in one sentence on the other hand at the Practical level it couldn't possibly be more wasteful and Absurd right and the idea that you know there's going to be a different there's going to be two universes you're going to double the universe because I just move my glasses and we need one Universe in which I didn't and one Universe in which I did and

then each of those universes is going to PR proliferate out from each moment this does not make any sense so I think what it is is this is just part of the process of discovery if you imagine an infinite number of Proliferating universes from each branching point right that accounts that allows us to understand we could describe it that way and it ows us to understand the universe as we observe it now the question is what's really going on that allows that to take place without the proliferation of universes that's why I think it's wrong

it's it's it's the intermediate it's the immature analytical point at which we have noticed that something is Going on we know we need to explain it and we haven't yet stood in the right place to explain it in a way that's actually efficient so what we're doing is we're explaining it in a way that if you typed it out it's it's one tweet but isn't existence itself insane the universe itself is insane subatomic particles are insane going all the way out to solar nurseries they're it's all insane the whole thing's insane it's insane in scope

it's insane in size It's insane in its complexity it's almost incomprehensible almost incomprehensible so why would it be more incomprehensible if it was there was infinite variety and infinite numbers of them it would just be a different level of crazy that we weren't aware of well no it no I mean I don't think so because it's not a different level if let's just agree that the Universe the size of it is impossible to actually comprehend I Think it's it's literally impossible we just look at it as a number it's a small number actually you look

at it oh like what's the most recent the James Wood telescope the most recent Advanced versions of it they're talking about 22 two billion plus years for the Big Bang they're looking at that now because of the um because of the structure of some galaxies that shouldn't exist shouldn't exist in the time period of which would they would have to be formed in a Certain amount of years and so there there's story there's it's it's very contentious but there's some of these people studying the results that seem to believe it's very quite possible that you

you might want to push that date back for whatever the Big Bang is right okay and then there Penrose who thinks it's like a constant cycle right I'm I'm open to all these ideas except ones like the Multiverse because let's put it this way okay you haven't solved a problem by Invoking the Multiverse what you've done is you've caused a problem that is like the original problem that you had raised to the infinity right and so my feeling is anytime you've made the problem the philosophical problem you had that we all admit is really really

difficult infinitely worse you probably made a wrong move I don't know about that I don't I don't think that's necessarily true because just because we haven't solved the Problem of this immense thing that's impossible to grasp it doesn't mean it can't be way bigger than we even imagine in a concept that's impossible to grasp and there's got to be some reason why so many people are entertaining this Multiverse Theory it's not well that's just because we're not very we're because we're descendants of chimp likee ancestors and we have limited tools to bring to bear to

this sort exciting right it's exciting it's a good way to Think of it as if you think of it as a temporary stand in for whatever the answer is that's going to Dawn us on us at some point it's fine it's it's a good it's a good thought problem but imagining that it's real you know you said you know maybe the problem is infinitely big bigger than we thought it's not infinitely bigger it's the rate of growth of the problem is every instant needs multiple universes for the most trivial of Modifications I'm sorry that just

does not sound like nature to me I think it sounds like the universe though and I don't think the universe necessarily sounds like nature nature is what we see here but what we see everywhere is so bizarre black holes are so bizarre supernovas they're so [ __ ] bizarre are the fact that there's a a a giant black hole in the center of every Galaxy that's 1 half 1% of the mass of the Galaxy and it might be another Universe Inside of that thing but see I actually think that one I mean I was waiting

for that Discovery for my whole life and when I finally heard it was like okay now I understand why you've got this huge swirling thing you've got this giant gravitational mass in the center that you can't see now it makes sense so that was like a simplifying Discovery Well the existence of the black hole but the concept of a black hole being essentially a portal Into another Universe where there's hundreds of billions of galaxies each one with a black hole in the center of them you go through each one of those you have hundreds of

billions of galaxies each one with a black hole in the center of it and you just keep doing that forever and ever and ever isn't that kind of the Multiverse well let's put it this way I I mean a we're a little bit safe here because by definition there's no way of peering Into those things right for now I think forever you think AI like get a grasp on this in a better way well it might be able to Quantum Computing a thousand years from now might have a the problem is that there's a physical

reason you can't for the same reason the light can't get out there's no way to peer in right so am I cool with the idea that maybe there's an equilibrium that you know a black hole where things once they're pulled in over that threshold They never emerge again and that maybe they emerge somewhere else yeah I could imagine parallel things that are entangled in this this way that does not sound inherently like an insane cheat to me because what we have is a mystery staring Us in the face in every one of those uh Ultram

massive black holes what the hell is it right um what about a future in which we develop some sort of propulsion system and attach it to a drone that's not it's not based on fuel It's based on some sort of gravity thing it allows you to Trav immense distances very quickly and then we could actually get that [ __ ] way out there take some video and bring it back well you're going to avoid the warranty I'm pretty sure well it's okay it's all funded by the government infinite money we just print checks oh just

tax people and and we blame the UFOs yeah um which is what I think they're doing by the way using the UFO story yeah oh yeah I think so Too yeah I think I think both things are true I think we have been visited and I think it only makes sense I think there is life out there because it doesn't make sense there isn't and I think I would visit if I got a thousand years more advanced than we are and we found out about some Planet that's 2,000 light years away that actually is making

nuclear bombs [ __ ] yeah I'd visit course i''d visit 100% so of course they would visit and of course they would want to Protect us from the overwhelming shock to our culture that would in undoubtedly be thrust upon on us if we were if we were confronted with a city-sized spaceship that's hovering over Detroit just just hovering over there it would send the world into a massive Panic no one would know what to do I'm not sure about this so I I want to I want to just adjust a couple things you said from

my perspective you're Absolutely right it would be there's every reason to think there's lots of life in the universe right and that life that attains a certain level of cognition will inevitably create technologies that break boundaries that it can't biologically break so it'll you know Traverse some uh distance across space but the real question is how many islands of Life what's the closest one how traversible is the Cosmos right it may not be traversible at all at those scales or it may be much more traversible than we know and then it doesn't take very many

islands of life to have somebody visit us but as to your last point I actually well first of all everybody every thinking person I know is pretty troubled by the present and you know a hostile alien Force would freak everybody out but I a I can't see a reason why aliens would be hostile doesn't make sense to me they don't have to be hostile just just being there right but then if they were just there first of all we've been training for this right we all spend a lot of time on sci-fi stories of aliens

and all that stuff right so I think actually we wouldn't be impressed enough because we've seen really impressive stuff on screens again and again and Again if you actually heard that this stuff was going on if the ship showed up in the sky and you could see it with your ban ular I think the question is well are they friendly and what do they have to say right I honestly don't think you know I don't it'd be if I heard about it I would think that's got to be good news because right but to anyone

in power this would be a gigantic threat to anyone trying to Pass off some sort of narrative that this is the the the we in the lead in terms of like the moral ground in the world and that we're you know we're the wisest we're the best we're going to make decisions for everybody that would throw a monkey wrench completely into the gears of that there would be totally so they would lose all control they would lose all authority they would lose all respect but why are the aliens abiding by their plan cuz I don't

think They are I don't I that's not what I'm saying I think that would freak them out and they're not doing that right I think if they are real and they do observe us they probably observe us in a in a way where there's a limited amount of detection and I think there's probably if I was going to acclimate a culture to the idea that they're not alone I would do it slowly that way you could have the same ultimate effect eventually and maybe Maybe help them along their evolution as well along their cultural Evolution

to like slowly introduce this concept that they're not alone and then do it over decades which is exactly what's been happening and and the acceptance of it has changed from when I was a kid you talk about UFOs you're a [ __ ] C 100% yeah straight up cook and then the Bob Bazar story came around and everybody was like hey wait a minute is that guy telling the truth and that was like 89 But still seemed like [ __ ] and then there was a bunch of questions about his education background ah [ __

] artist but then over time more people have seen enough things like Commander David fraver and more people have seen things that like have no explanation whatsoever and you start hearing stories from highlevel people about retrieved vehicles and this and that it's more and more and more and more and more normal people talking about it and more and More professors at Stanford and the New York Times in 2017 Prince of story and respected um Air Force pilots are coming out and talking about it it's a different world and it's a different world just over a

few decades yeah it's a different world but I still haven't seen anything that isn't best explained as scop bu [ __ ] right I haven't either but but also I haven't seen anything right these are unique experiences and the problem with unique Experiences is everyone has to just sort of trust you unless you have some kind of evidence everyone has to trust you even if it's a whole town it's a unique experience in the town a mass hypnosis bunch of [ __ ] artists they're taking advantage of it for tourism like Virginia and Brazil the

entire town saw this thing so how you know I'm not sure if it's all [ __ ] I think there's some [ __ ] mixed in with some real stuff that's what I think this is my Conclusion over time because if you go back to like the Kenneth Arnold sightings the 1950s we didn't have anything that moved like that nobody did there's no way anybody had anything in the 1950s that could shoot across the sky soundless make no noise skip like flying saucers is what the way he described it there was a I think there

was nine of them together like there was no we didn't have anything like that so maybe occasionally we're visited maybe Occasionally they show themselves and maybe they have been here Tucker thinks they've been here all along he thinks they're a part of this world that we live in they just they they hide from us and maybe they live in the ocean yeah I mean you know you you know what my stock and trade is and my feeling is I'm perfectly open to the possibility that there are alien intelligences in the universe I'm perfectly open to

the possibility that they would stop by um But I'm going to need something like evidence that isn't better explained by terrestrial [ __ ] because frankly the terrestrial [ __ ] is guaranteed right if they had some sort of a drone that used gravity and could zip across the sky like you know 10x light speed they wouldn't tell you about it yeah but I don't even think it's I don't look I think the fact and I think we may have talked about this before but the fact that these things are doing stuff that's Beyond any

terrestrial craft that we know of and they're silent that's because they're not craft they're projections of some kind and so they're visually very compelling but they do not disturb the atoms that they're passing through because they're not they don't displace anything so you think the radar when they use radar and they find these things what do you think that is oh man I think that's people putting Blips on other people's radar and it's not the only place in history that that shows up right so you could force a blip onto someone's radar hacked the radar

sure and Heck if you had a how would you do that uh well these Radars are all computerized well let's talk about the David fraver one right because the this is 2004 so it kind of limits our ability in terms of you know you have high technology you have extremely powerful Computers you have a lot of stuff going on but we we certainly don't have what we have 20 years later right yep we all agree to that now they have multiple different uh mediums multiple different types of evidence they have visual eyewitness testimony and more

than one jet sees this thing more than one pilot sees this thing they all have the same story this thing Zips across the sky they have the radar that shows that this thing went from 50,000 ft Above sea level to 50 in a second mhm they have this thing moving at speeds on video where you see it move on video that would turn anybody inside it into Jello y so it's whatever the [ __ ] this is it's doing something that we didn't think human beings could do right so you have three different ways of

verifying that there is something there you have the radar you have video you have eyewitness testimony you have this thing flying to the cat point where they were Ini initially supposed to when they were doing their training Mission they were supposed to meet yep there's a lot of weird [ __ ] with that yep but do you think they could fake that yeah I mean I I do think you could fake it because you just have multiple attack vectors so how would you fake um a visual sighting from trained fighterjet pilots over the ocean a

projection a projection yeah and where would the projector be I don't know Could could be could be coming from space could be from an aircraft CRA that's flying too high to see I don't know but and how would you do that what technology would enable you to make something look I mean they even had a disturbance of the ocean floor or of the ocean surface rather so I'm not an expert in these Technologies I'm not claiming that I could do it but what I'm saying is a you have a huge amount of classified technology just

Imagine for a second how useful it would be to be able to convince your enemy that you had aircraft in its airspace that they were able to exceed limits whatever so do you think we've worked on the ability to fool an enemy into believing that we have capacities that we don't have of course so given that those programs are essentially certain to exist do you think anybody's ever going to have the idea that actually in this case it would be useful if some you Know unassailable authorities were to have undeniable experiences that suggest X Y

or Z somebody's going to come up with that idea so this would explain why these things are able to stay stationary in 120 knot winds because they're not affected by physical reality they're just images have you I mean I know you have there are incredibly good magicians right who will do stuff in front of you that you know you don't walk out of There thinking the laws of physics have been broken because you understand that mag magic is a genre where you walk in and you agree to suspend your disbelief enough to look through your

eyes and register something as if it's violated a law of physics but we all know it's magic right David Blain right exactly an illusion yeah now imagine that you had teams working on Illusions who were going to do so in a context that you would have no concept That that's what had happened because you're so used to trusting what your eyes perceive what your ears hear all of those things so all I'm saying is the evidence that these things exist always hovers in the realm where a ruthless whatever could have faked it right whether that

has to do with an MK Ultra you intervention where somebody's been given drugs they don't know they've been given and they've been shown things that They are more open to because they were in a state in which they were in induced openness that's a possibility or a mixture of things you see something you've been brought into a state of openness you accept it more than you think you have because you don't know that anybody tinkered with your wiring I just am waiting to see a piece of evidence that really makes me go huh I don't

think we could have done that have you seen any of Gary Nolan stuff on The Metallurgy on the the different samples that they've collected from these supposed down crafts that defy all our understanding of how to create Alloys and how expensive it would be to craft these things let me ask you a question you've got Alloys that are Beyond known human technology and you've got discussion of Alloys that are Beyond human technology M which is it well certainly discussions that's the problem right I mean I don't know uh Who see if you can find anything

on Gary Nolan's samples so Diana pulco who'd been on the podcast before she she had done some Excavating of these areas where they purport that these things had crashed and they could still find pieces which uh made me a little skeptical as soon as I see you still you didn't pick them all up like why wouldn't they send someone out there to pick everything up why would you you would sift yeah you would take truck loads and you would get Every single scrap of that stuff but if I wanted someone to believe that a craft

was there I'd leave a bunch of [ __ ] out in the field I'd blindfold them like they did I'd take them out to this spot this is the spot look around oh look you found a piece like how do you not know where all the [ __ ] pieces are if this thing crashed 30 years ago why didn't you go over this place with a fine tooth comb people do that for arrow heads why would you not do that for alien craft Metal of course you would yeah also there's the other problem is like

why are these things crashing right exactly they're so [ __ ] good they get here from another dimension they're partying they got here and they just they don't know they're they get a hold of some [ __ ] Jack Daniels next thing you know they're crashed in the sand they're having a good time in America it's also that's a big problem too A lot of these sightings are in America They're like the if you look at the chart there's sightings overseas for sure they they happen all over the world undoubtedly but they Happ a lot

more here have an alien problem across many different dimensions yeah we do we go we have multiple alien problems we have them [Laughter] all that's another thing that they're gaslighting people on the idea that they would let people come over here so they Would vote of course they would that's a great way to like get voters so these are these pieces that Gary Nolan claims to have had and what does it say about these pieces I mean this is well I could only find it in the video I was trying to find us explosion okay

so this is from uh how do you say that uba tuba uba tuba Brazil so this is a different it might be a different pronunciation in Portuguese but this is a a different crash than the Virginia one so there's Been multiple sightings and things happen in Brazil apparently Brazil also has a little bit of an alien problem oh yeah a little little one but the Virginia one is wild that's the most wild one yeah but those those um fragments there appeared from where I'm sitting to look like they were made of pixels let me say

that again that could just be a low resolution photograph no no it's I'm kidding with you I'm just saying we're looking at that thing as if We know that it's a fragment of metal and we're being told that it has properties that are unfamiliar but what we have the evidence you and I have is pixels right sure we're not there we don't get to see these things also even if you gave it to me what how's that going to help me I have no idea what you're yeah I don't know what that is yeah I

don't even even if you gave me the microscopes to look at it I'm like what am I seeing right I'm seeing layers Is that what this is like how do they do this right so that's why look you know I want a team of honest biologists to look at some space biology that would settle this immediately yeah immediately immediately yeah like if there really is a body just one what everyone says there's frozen body somewhere just one that's all it takes we can settle this tomorrow let some people in okay here it is a ledged

extraterrestrial metal from the bottom of a wedge shaped Craft in the late 1940s made of 26 alternating layers 1 to four microns dark bis smouth and 100 to 200 microns silver magnesium zinc alloy each of six pieces received from US Army Source were formed with a curvature that tapered wow that is incredibly compelling metallurgical narrative if it's true transmitted by pixels right that's the problem and that's the problem also the late 1940s how many of These [ __ ] things crashed oh it's happening all the time that's the weird thing right like think of how

many Corvettes there are yeah you don't find a whole lot of them like on the side of the road crashed yeah it's not a common thing no he's finding Corvettes in the in the in the the desert look I found a Corvette there's so many Corvettes there's Millions of them right and yet yet most of them make it from A to B but these [ __ ] UFOs they're they're so Smart they can come here from other planets and they just boom well maybe we're not on their map and so they're like or maybe the

only people that are the only uh intelligent life outside of this planet that's willing to do it they're like Australian Outback people they're like those those wild dudes who uh go overlanding in the you you know Australia has a a big overlanding culture where they build up these vehicles and they take them off into the Bush and they they live off of them my friend Adam Greentree does that these people are wild Australians are wild folk so maybe they like the Australians of space and they just overlanding and it doesn't always work out overlanding they're

these nuts that like you know there's people that go out in the desert for 30 days and they have enough food and water and they have a solar thing on the top of their their rig and that's it charges their cell phone and they have You know Jerry cans of petrol so they could keep going and well I kind of dig this look if if if it were possible to Traverse vast empty spaces and go to places that were known to have life I'd be all about that but it would only be the real hardcore

adventurers that would take that chance and maybe those people are nuts maybe those alien people are nuts just like the human people are nuts that do that kind of stuff right they like to get into trouble winch Themselves out and wild people they got winches on their spaceship exactly well you got also think here's here's another problem with the idea of them being biological um we it's far more effective to send things that are nonbiological in space like what we're doing on Mars we we don't have a base on Mars allegedly but there's a lot

of nutty people that believe we do but um they do certainly have some robots that are on Mars that's Gathering data and They're doing it right now and so you don't have to worry about radiation all the things that kill people make people sad if we lose one of those Rovers who gives a [ __ ] make another Rover ship it out there fly it nobody cares if you lose 50 people if you take 50 people and they die on your Mars trip you're going to have Congress is going to be meeting about it what

are we doing why are we killing people let's not do that and so as time goes on and as technology Improves and as sentient artificial intelligence becomes a better option for sending some intelligent robot to gather data why would why would anybody go through space as a a living creature it seems stupid stupid yeah I mean I agree on the other hand I I probably you know why why do I want to go to the Amazon right I can I can see yeah but you can go to the Amazon that's the thing humans live in

the Amazon humans don't live on Mars it's way Simpler to send a robot to Mars why would we go to Mars yeah yeah there is a good reason to go to Mars and the good reason to go to Mars is we're in Jeopardy here and I don't think Mars is in any way a long-term plan for survival of people but there are processes unfolding here in our solar system that put us in Jeopardy potentially here on Earth and having just at least an outpost of people uh somewhere else Would not be a bad hedge against

that so I I think I think we're not close enough but right um but but it's it's definitely a potential reality and if it was possible it would be a good move if you wanted to hedge your bets yep and we should hedge our bets because elon's position on this yeah you know that we're in danger of the human race going extinct from a variety of different things not even our own fault it could be a a bunch of different things Asteroid impacts super volcanoes lot a lot of stuff can happen right here that kills

us all space weather oh yeah [ __ ] some Supernova Too Close sorry everything's cooked micronova which is actually a viable hypothesis apparently this is something that can happen it doesn't necessarily destroy the star you can have a burst of radiation that radically alters things down here oh fun yeah and maybe that's what happened to Mars which is also part of the problem Because Mars at one time had an atmosphere Mars at one time had liquid water we don't really know what happened yeah no I agreed Mars is probably a little closer to the Sun

at one point in time in the past it turns out that our solar system is dynamic and dangerous in a way that we don't really know because our study is to has exist has happened in a period of calm and we're really looking at a very brief amount of time that we can measure In terms of a human experience it's so brief in terms of what we know about what human beings have experienced and then we have to go back to like core samples you have to go back to oh appears that there was Earth

one and Earth one was hit by another planet that's how we get the Moon and then the moon the moon's crazy yeah it what a crazy thing that this thing stabilizes us it's in the exact same right position the exact right size To make sure that we can exist as we exist right now s like somebody put it there it's a beautiful thing it's a beautiful thing but it's it's kind of kooky it's almost like someone put it there it's very convenient yeah yeah I mean and of course there's an anthropic principle in play here

as well because the question is are we here because we do have a moon to play the exact right role you know this this planet has a lot a lot going For it and one way to think about that is wow that can't be that's no accident or no we're here to talk about it because those accidents happen to line up here right or yeah it's odd but that's also why there's not life everywhere right and this does happen and when it does happen then you get some life yeah but until it happens and the

the variety of temperature changes over the course of the seasons is just too vast for what we understand as Biological life to survive but then or at least intelligent see it's not just biological it has to be intelligent it has to be able to manipulate its environment it has to be able to record the previous thoughts in history develop language and it's really stuff to do tough to do that if you're in an environment and you've adapted to an environment that can vary by 300 degrees right no you're exactly right that the number of things

that have to stack up Before you get to the point that you're pondering why you're here is many you have to have food you have to have food and you have to have your feet up and going why are we here yeah and you have to not be going routinely extinct because suddenly go HeyWire exactly this is why this kind of thought emerges once people sort of settle down yep and get some food start hurding some cattle and go hey stars are kind of crazy yeah you ever looked Up instead everybody's just looking in the

bushes for what's going to killed them was going to eat me you know it's funny I've spent a lot of time watching animals they don't look at the sky oh that's interesting it is interesting that is very interesting that's very interesting yeah I mean and you know I get it it's not productive until you get pretty deep into thinking about you know abstract things as a way of finding what you're not doing right well we look Outward and we look inward which is really like next level right like we look look at microscopes go what

is going on here right we're all filled with bacteria this is this whole thing's nuts like we're not even an individual right we're an ecos system we're individual ecosystems and the healthier your ecosystem is the healthier you are as an individual because you're not really an individual wow if we learn so this this is something Heather and I Talk about frequently is that we have more or less an epidemic of people who are maybe smart but they don't know the difference between a complex system and a complicated one and so they take their complicated system

thinking into complex systems what is the difference whether it's predictable so for example your computer or your phone you know it's beyond your comprehension or my comprehension but it is well understood how it works there's nothing mysterious About the outputs right it's it's a it's a system that all of the the functionality of is is well understood um but a biological creature isn't anything like this and so when you intervene you know when they give you a drug and they think they know what it's going to do they're intervening in a system in which things

are connected in ways that they've not yet discovered and they can't anticipate the cascading effects so you know we keep getting Upended by the sense of like you know oh this thing is wrong with you here's a biochemical intervention that will adjust one parameter and put you back into health no almost never true right it is occasionally true if somebody is quite sick that you can push them back in the direction of homeostasis you can rescue them but the idea of improving Health with an intervention is almost always the wrong approach right you should be

restoring the environment in Which the body knows how to take care of itself because it is a complex system given the right inputs given the right parameters it has all of the processes necessary to keep it functioning but if you think you're going to improve it by intervening you're almost certain to do harm H but what about medication for people that have like type 1 diabetes right but the question is why do you have type 1 diabetes but it's a genetic thing yeah but is it a it you think our Ancestors were walking around with

type 1 diabetes they might have and just died off well but then you would have a very low rate of that Gene so our ancestors so the question is so you think there's an environmental reason for type 1 diabetes I think there is a massive disruption in all of the environments that we pass pass through in life that is causing a mismatch between what we are bu we are basically Perpetual fishes out of water and that Process is making us unhealthy in every single regard Heather and I call this hyper novelty and in fact it's

not even that we're just out of our environment in which we can be healthy but the rate of change is so high that even to the extent that we are highly adaptable we can't adapt fast enough to uh to keep up it's it's it's a pathology and the flip side of this is if you did recognize exactly where you started that you are actually a system that is complex beyond Even the sense that you're an organism I mean you're you're you're multiple organisms at multiple different levels every single cell in your body is being fueled

by mitochondria that started out at a different place on The evolutionary tree and got taken inside of cells to become powerhouses that's a symbiosis so you are a symbiosis you know in each of of your cells and even crazier your psychology your mentality affects your physical health profoundly profoundly so The way you think about things the joy you have in your life the happiness that you encounter has an enormous effect on your biology 100% yes which is just Madness so the reductionist view of just give him a shot of this and a pill of that

like well there's a lot more going on here right now our whole medical uh standpoint is fundamentally flawed and I I'm really hoping that we will take the lesson of covid seriously And we will recognize in my opinion allopathic medicine standard Western medicine is living on a the gains of a tiny number of subfields right the fact that a surgeon can put you back together after a car accident that's something that we all know we want there for us if we need it right that surgeon's capacity to do that is a predicated on the ability

the ability of the body to repair itself Right a surgeon can cut you open and go you know take out your spleen but that surgeon is depending on the fact that your body knows how to heal the damage right you can't go up to a car and you know slice it open and pull out the alternator and put in another one and have the car back together again right it doesn't work like that so anyway there are a few things in medicine that are transcendently awesome like the ability of a surgeon to fix you And

the ability of an emergency room physician to stabilize you where your body is you know spiraling out of control but those things result in a sense of the Godlike powers of medicine and most of the time medicine is in danger of hurting you if it's not of the mindset that we should be minimizing intervention we should be figuring out what the root cause of the pathology is if we have to intervene it should be a temporary intervention that pushes you Back to the place where your body knows what to do and then we should take

our hands off which is of course not profitable right the problem is we want want you to be hooked on a medication because then we can prescribe that to everybody and then you have the Sackler family right the the fact is this process health is far too important to be managed by market forces left to their own devices that's a good point and the problem is right now it is and So we have to figure out how to regain control of that 100% And so I'm hoping that medicine having just gotten its comeuppance during covid

where you know almost every Doctor ended up poisoning their patients with advice that turned out to be uh you know and themselves and themselves yeah which is more important because those doctors believed it they they thought that it was true I I was just talking to a doctor recently that regretted taking it and they they really Believed they believed they believed they were telling people what to do and now they're injured and you know yeah and then they have this practice where they told people this is what you should do and then a bunch of

people did it and they got all [ __ ] up and now they're in the situation where it's not just that they got [ __ ] up but like how much time they have left like how many of these people are going to drop dead over the next 5 10 years yeah CU it's Not just one it's not just two there's probably going to be a bunch there's a bunch of people out there with like real myio carditis there's a bunch of people out there that have blood clots the the D dier there's this doctor

on Twitter the other day was talking about how it's very rare that he uses an dmer test on unvaccinated patients and finds blood clots but he finds a ton of them on vaccinated patients yeah and some of them are micro blood clots some of them Are some of them are significant but that they find quite a few yeah there was a paper recently uh I haven't delved deeply into it but that just says you know that Spike protein which is obviously produced by the shots is interacting with fibrin which is a clot producing protein um

so it's not surprising that it's having these cascading effects but okay so you had all these doctors who gave terrible advice to patients they Assured them not only that this was the right thing to do but that it was safe which they should have known better because it couldn't possibly have been and there's no there's no course taught in medical school about you know repentance how do these people repent for what they did so that they learn the lesson and it can't happen again and the fact is the whole system is rigged around Pharma and

they can't there's so many people out there That are still all in I F I found some lady in my timeline uh I don't follow her but she was talking about how disturbing it is to her that children are not being vaccinated and that covid is uh killing kids and the reports that she has of child death and she was talking about how she wears a mask everywhere and then there's all these people in the comments that are commenting on that I only go to places when I know there's going to be minimal Amounts of

people I always wear a mask and they were all like it was some weird Echo chamber where they were all terrified still of what is now like a cold well I don't I will resist portraying it as a cold because I do think that ain't where we are it's not a cold to you right you got it it was rough I got something that was pretty rough um but let's put that aside for a second let's say that this is not a very severe disease and by the way I will Just tell you uh at

the risk of uh opening old controversies it took me a long time to understand that icton and hydroxy chloroquin they have broad applicability across RNA viruses and many of the things that make us sick are RNA viruses right so there is a strong argument to be made that in a world where we are now being exposed to all of these RNA viruses that acting quickly and taking those things is a reasonable thing to do Now hydroxy chloroquin may have more toxicity than icin in fact it does but itin has such a low toxicity that from

the point of view of not doing the damage to the body that comes from being sick with these pathological agents simply being reflexive about taking the stuff quickly is sensible and of course if what I just said is correct you would expect Pharma to look anywhere but there cuz they can't patent the stuff right did you see um Chris Cuomo On Patrick B David show admit that he's taking I Mna now uh I heard about it I didn't see it he admitted it he admitted his doctor Asam on icum for long Co and he kept

distinguishing the difference between long Co and vaccine injuries like she he said had some sort of a vaccine injury then he was talking about how Ivon is not good for Co but it's good for long Co and I'm like what is long Co long Co is not even a thing like stop saying that like you you're [ __ ] Up because either of Co or you're [ __ ] up because of the vaccine one of those two things happen where you got damaged calling it long covid is weird because it's like saying you're still sick

from covid that's not really what happened okay if you get pneumonia and you get lung damage you don't don't have long long pneumonia right you just have no you had damage to your lungs it's not long Co so you're either taking icin because your doctor said like what Benefit would icin have on Long covid like what is what does that mean well I me or vaccine injuries it has a benefit for vaccine injuries we can just say that empirically the people who have become successful at treating these things tell us this which vaccine injuries covid

but which ones which specific vaccine injuries you mean what are the symptoms yeah what things things like brain fog fatigue neuropathy these things and I I actually Have several friends who report that they were suffering badly I sent him to Pierre he treated them Ivon was core to the treatment and uh they report I don't want to say miraculous but spectacular recovery Pierre by Pierre you're talking about Dr Pierre Cory yep um who did he lose his license or something yeah I believe so or it's in process but they are punishing him for uh for

talking about a beneficial medicine that happens to not be patentable punishing him for Doing his job wild yeah that's wild it's crazy that's crazy yeah diabolical really it is diabolical um so what would be the mechanism as to which Ivor meon would help these people I don't know it has a number of different mechanisms it's certainly an anti-inflammatory you know there's only so far that explanation will take you but uh but it I don't know I I can't answer that question but I can say it really doesn't much matter if you're Sick and it makes

you better that's what you want and you know what our understanding of how many medicines work is but isn't it bizarre when people that have been vaccinated not once but multiple times and had side effects from the vaccine that they'll report openly we'll talk about it and say it's long covid while they're still suffering it's almost like they alleviate themselves from any of the responsibility of making a terrible choice I think they're also Being fed this story right um and we've seen that in multiple places so for example you remember these long debates about well

okay yes the MRNA shots do cause a certain amount of myocarditis but not nearly as much as covid and it goes away quick that was the other thing that kept saying it's temporary yeah which is nonsense and it turns out now that the myocarditis appears to have been vaccine induced myocarditis that was being just like everything else Happened with Co they was a uh I don't want to say an accounting error it was cynical they shoved things into the wrong category right and they also pushed out a narrative that you get more myocarditis from the

VAC from the virus rather than you do from the vaccine right and apparently you don't get it from the virus yeah well what you do is get you get high troponin levels right and um aim mahra he explained all this is that when you test for that you Can assume if a person is suffering from a viral infection that they will have high troponin levels but it doesn't mean they have myocarditis right so you're calling it myocarditis without actually doing an MRI on the heart right and as I've pointed out in many different places myocarditis

is kind of a red herring anyway because what it means is inflammation and inflammation is there for a reason there's an underlying pathology and so the fact that we can Detect that you have myocarditis means well okay something's up with your heart what is it and the vaccines create damage in the heart they create damage because they get taken up by heart cells those heart cells produce explain the whole thing with the lipid nanop particles so people understand why they cause damage so the way these shots were supposed to work is you have an mRNA

transcript that is loaded into lipid nanoparticle the lipid nanoparticles are Injected we were told that they stayed in the deltoid where they are injected they do not they circulate in the blood and lymph lipid nanop particle lipid and this is proven yeah lipid nanoparticle lipid means fat you may remember from high school chemistry that like dissolves like so fats dissolve other fats so you've got this thing encased in fat any cell it encounters is covered in fat so it gets taken up by cells haphazardly around the body those cells Take the message the MRNA transcript

into the cytoplasm they translate it into protein and that protein gets exported to the surface of the the cell this is how the manufacturer wants it to work now if it happened in your arm okay but if it happens in your heart well anywhere it happens it will trigger your immune system to spot this antigen that it doesn't recognize and te- cells will come in and kill the cells that are making this Foreign protein because in natural circumstances anytime a cell makes a foreign protein it has the signature of a virally infected cell a cell

is producing self antigens and foreign antigens that's a virally infected cell no matter what place in the body it exist the right thing to do is to destroy it so the immune system comes in te- cells destroy that cell and that leaves you with a wound right you've lost cells that were doing Something most of the tissues of the body can tolerate a certain amount of that but in your heart you can't tolerate very much because the heart has an extremely low capacity to repair itself it scars instead and it takes time to scar you

have a wound until it scars over so those wounds are vulnerabilities if you're an athlete and you've got a wound in your heart that you don't know about you could easily die because you have a weakened wall in The chambers of your heart and something breaches at the point that your blood pressure is high in the middle of some activity so my point is when we say myocarditis we are effectively accept accepting a placeholder for there's an underlying pathology that we haven't found and that pathology can be damaged to the heart which is very serious

inherently it compromises your lifetime capacity for your heart to function and in the short-term it creates a Substantial vulnerability to uh cardiac incidents and so these injections which were supposed to stay local is it because do that they didn't aspirate that they get into blood vessels like what is what is the reason why it gets through the entire system well the aspiration issue I believe is a contributor but I don't think it is the determinant so in the case that just to explain what PE what what you're getting at when you inject somebody pulling back

On the plunger in the syringe allows you to see whether or not you have accidentally landed inside a vein if you pull back and you see blood the tip of the needle is at least partially in a vein and if you inject there it doesn't go into the spaces between the cells in your muscle it goes into your circulation so that's a bad thing if you plunge the needle in you pull back on the syringe and on the plunger and you see blood then you should Plunge in Further so that you're no longer in that

blood vessel but we never saw that in fact people were specifically told not to do it and the rationale was they did not want to create vaccine hesitancy by leaving the needle in the arm any longer uh than necessary so they did end up doing a certain percentage of intravenous accidental intravenous injections and that means that a globule of this stuff went immediately into the circulation which meant that if it went To your heart and got picked up there it might not just be a small number of cells it might be a large number of

cells so that was a completely unnecessary level of harm aspirating the needle was the right thing to do and they should have done it and they didn't and who knows how many people have died because they got a big dose intravenously where it was supposed to be intramuscular and that seems so straightforward that I can't imagine That they were showing people doing it any other way on television yeah even when they did the president remember when they injected him on television they just stuck it right in there well there is a question about what they

injected him with but um yes they whatever happened on television are you suggesting that that was deception and they didn't give him this life-saving vaccine well here's the problem I don't know how dumb these people Are it seems to me let's just let's just play this out uh with uh sort of standard parameters inoculations cause a certain number of acute adverse reactions these people wanted everyone injected they didn't want us talking about injuries that were real right they they they went out of their way to make sure that nothing caused anybody to have the sense

that there was some problem With them do we really think they rolled the dice injecting an old man with an active shot on TV like I don't think so I suggested it back then and I got called a c but I was talking about there was a lot of people that were talking about um being injured and they were getting attacked like remember when they were going after um Eric Clapton yeah remember that one oh that was horrific vious I mean full Boore attacks on Eric Clapton I mean calling him the most hurtful of words

and antivaxer ter he's always been a terrible person and like the [ __ ] are you talking about yeah the the gaslighting of the injured is insane insane it's especially you've asked people to do something there's always Adverse Events how is it that somebody who suffers an adverse event is not entitled to our compassion I don't understand Yeah how how you would turn vicious in that case and how can you rationalize excuse me how can you rationalize continuing to have these companies exempt oh you can't it doesn't make any sense yeah especially if they're that

profitable because we know that if they're profitable they're going to keep selling stuff yeah well let me put it to you this way um I think it makes Sense to establish a policy that I will not accept any medical product for which the manufacturer is not liable if it goes wrong and that's not medical advice that's legal advice yeah yeah because there's just too much room for [ __ ] and profit when when they know that something is profitable and they know they can get away with it because they don't have any liability at all

they're going to [ __ ] with you They're going to Gaslight you they always have because you have two different types of people right that are involved in any kind of medication you have the scientists and the clinicians that develop these things and create these things and then you've got the money people and the money people they're don't even scientists what what those people are interested in is making the most amount of money for their comp in fact they have a they have a Responsibility to their shareholders right to make a ton of money absolutely

to make more money every year so if they know that they can get it's their their job as CEO to push that [ __ ] through use why do you have all those connections and all those relationships if you don't utilize them to help our company isn't that why you get a [ __ ] gigantic salary every year as a CEO of a pharmaceutical Drug Company and don't you understand the Relationship that we have with the FDA and the CDC has been we have cultivated this this relationship forever so we have a revolving door to

make it nice and easy so the people that are in charge of Regulation they get a nice sweet job nice sweet golden we got it locked in we got it locked up let's sell the [ __ ] sell it well the fact is if you understand how the market is supposed to do its magic this doesn't work even in principle just simple evolution AR Dynamics guarantee that corporations that are not responsible for the harm that they do will start making a profit by doing harm right they will be outcompeted by other corporations who do if

they don't so it is guaranteed that they will move in that direction which is why I say you shouldn't take any product produced by an entity that is not liable for the harm that it does to you it just doesn't make any any sense yeah anything anything across the board Yeah yeah it's just bizarre that we let that slip through because they had decided at one point in time that vaccines create so many problems there's no way they could sell these and be profitable and have legal responsibility and our government was like all right all

right no responsibility I don't think most people know that little fact that you just mentioned that in fact they were granted immunity from liability because they said it was Impossible to make safe vaccines yeah explain when this happened and how it happened to people so they understand that this is this is an issue that came up because of problems from vaccines yeah I believe it happened in the Reagan Administration that they approached they they were reluctant to make vaccines the rean administration wanted them to ratchet up production and they said we can't it can't be

done safely and they were granted this immunity and the System the VS System was set up and a special Court was set up to adjudicate cases and um tremendous amount of evil has flown from that fateful decision including the proliferation of the childhood vaccine schedule yes which is right now pretty [ __ ] insane it's there's so many of them they give to them so quickly like from the moment they're born they want they want to bang them up with vaccines and it's in incredibly profitable and People who are kind people who are intelligent people

would never imagine there are human beings that are willing to profit off of injecting babies with things that may very well [ __ ] them up for the rest of their life they're like there's no way no one's that evil right it's hard to imagine and then when you start looking into the evidence it's like oh my goodness oh well you look in the just the history of vaccines themselves would you read Turtles all The way down or dissolving Illusions just like wait wait wait wait wait right what what happened because all our lives vaccines

are the most important invention vaccines saved countless millions of lives vaccines the way we can be safe today vaccines are the so that was one of the dirtiest tricks about this mRNA technology that they piggybacked on an old word that already had pass it already had Hall Pass yep yeah it's crazy I mean you Know Heather and I wrote into our book in 2020 that um vaccines were one of the three greatest medical inventions in history you know the other two being surgery and antibiotics and I still still believe that in principle there is something

potentially very medically valuable there but in practice the way we produce these things the way we manufacture them the way the technology on which they are based has been modified right the the idea that we're Going to produce a vaccine that is adant based and we're not going to tell you that we're going to hyperactivate your immune system to get a weak shot to function and that that means that you're going to be uh in danger of creating a sensitivity to anything you encounter or eat during that period like how are we not discussing that

right I mean again in 19 19 in 2020 I was an Enthusiast for this Technology now I'm an Enthusiast for what it says in the textbook about what this might be able to do but I'm terrified of How It's actually being deployed and I also now recognize I believe I have a vaccine injury my allergy to wheat the only way it adds up is probably a flu shot caused me to become hyp sensitive to something that uh was exposed to my immune system of course wheat's and everything so you know it's Ever present my children

my my older son has an allergy to Dairy a profound one I think that's a vaccine injury frankly I don't know what percentage you know I have a friend who has an allergy profound allergy to mold that's driven her from two homes right but wa wait a minute because isn't but Allergies have always existed and they existed before even vaccines um no I mean I'm not going to say there weren't any there's nothing in the Literature about vaccine or about allergies before vaccines the proliferation of allerg again I don't want to say there wasn't any

but in many of these cases things like Alzheimer disease we of course think oh these things are longstanding they've been there maybe there's been an increase in the amount but the degree to which many of these pathologies including autism frankly turns out to be something that erupts out of nowhere suggesting a novel Environmental cause of some kind right is profound and mostly we don't know that because we don't do the leg workk to go back and look at well where does this first show up right we think polio has always been with us no that's

not true right so we have a pattern that we in the public are not aware of pathologies that are widespread that showed up out of nowhere you know like obesity and that suggests an environmental cause we should become Fascinated by what that cause might be because people are being every new generation has people being maimed by these pathologies and if you can discover what the path ology is and you can eliminate the factor you know how much misery do you erase how much economic growth do you create right these are powerful ways in which we

could improve our well-being and we just simply don't do it because all of us carry the vague notion that these things Are long-standing but if you think about it do you see animals in the wild being allergic in their environment no sometimes dogs are but dogs get vaccinated to high heav too yes they do right and so anytime you see that pattern where it's like yes wild animals don't have that pathology but domestic animals and people do that's telling you something right right cuz we share an environment have you seen that they're going to they're

calling for a ceasefire In Gaza so that they can vaccinate for polio yes I have seen that and uh what you're going to you're going to not blow people up temporarily so they can keep them from a disease which do you know the statistics of um like when people people get polio how much of polio is asymptomatic do you know the statistics uh I don't know the statistics I will tell you I read a jaw-dropping book I mean and this is I keep I keep having this experience where There are various stories that we all

carry around that tell us something about uh the world we're living in what and what to be afraid of so for example Spanish flu right much of our fear of pandemics is based on the idea that Spanish Spanish flu erupted out of nowhere it killed young healthy people and you know what it's not that long ago it could happen again blah blah blah turns out that story isn't what we all think it is there are two things about That story which are not commonly known one is there was a um enthusiasm for prescribing aspirin for

people who came in with flu symptoms and they were prescribed aspirin and doses that are now known to be deadly okay so a lot of people drowned basically their lungs filled with liquid because they were overdosed on aspirin that's one thing the other thing is bacterial pneumonia which followed on the viral infection bacterial pneumonia that we can now Easily treat with antibiotics yes exactly and so the question is you know would Spanish Flu if it emerged tomorrow cause a pandemic that mattered no it wouldn't but we all think oh goodness it can happen because Spanish

Flu proves it right same thing happened uh with my understanding of polio I was going to give you the number 95 to 99% tell me asymptomatic is asymptomatic asymptomatic of polio yeah you know that do you know why why cuz I actually know I think I know why based on uh the the book The Moth and the iron lung um there is a virus involved in polio that virus is not normally serious it's a gut virus right it causes slight gut pathology goes away of its own accord what appears to have happened that caused polio

to be a terrifying debilitating disease is metal toxicity right so polio turns out has Some weird quirks right it uh affects the nerves in the front of the spinal cord but not the back of the spinal cord and it affects children and not adults and the argument that is made in the moth and the iron lung I think quite compellingly is that what's happening is the metals are causing that that bacterium to or the virus to leak out of the gut and it can grow in neurological tissue and in a child the gut is sitting

right in front of the spinal cord and so It is affecting the motor neurons but not the sensory neurons which are on the back because of the physical proximity of the gut to the spinal cord and that as you grow those things separate and so the susceptibility disappears but it's the metal toxicity that is taking a nonserious pathogen and causing it to be serious which makes for a very confusing story because you actually do have a pathogen and you can actually prevent the pathogen with a seen But the root Cause is the metal toxicity that

is causing things to leak out of the gut and touch the spinal cord I had read this thing that was connecting DDT as well yep DDT is connected as well uh and lots of cases of it in rural areas where people sprayed well actually that's what uh the the book The Moth and the iron lung amazingly tracks the history of this where in fact you had a you had a problem um where where the moths the silk moths uh were not robust To predation and so entomologists were looking for something to hybridize the silk moths

with that would be resistant to things like Jay's eating them as caterpillars and this one entomologist had gypsy moths from Europe in his possession that he was trying to breed with silk MS experiment that was doomed to failure but nonetheless one day he had them sitting on his kitchen window and a wind blew and blew them into his garden and he knew he tried to Recover them and he couldn't find them all and so he knew that he had a problem he tried to alert people locally hey we we've got a local gypsy moth problem

which is bad because gypsy moths devastate vegetation um and in any case they were unable to control the infestation and of course it spread through throughout the East oh my God why didn't that guy torch his field well right if you had if you understood what was going to follow from This that would have been a it would not have been an overreaction right right um but nonetheless what you have is something like an epidemic of polio that's not really an epidemic of polio you have an epidemic of gypsy moths that are being sprayed for

with these toxic pesticides right it's a crazy crazy story but the the upshot is we all carry around stories like polio is a terrifying disease it debilitated people we have a vaccine that ended that horror Therefore blah blah blah blah blah that's not the story the story is we actually have an epidemic of stupidity about industrial toxins and in this case they interface with a story about a vaccine and a pathogen but the story isn't the one we think oh right it's it's a a very strange set of interactions but once you start digging into

these stories and you realize that all of them are you know we've been told some fairy tale that leads us to a Conclusion that just isn't right then you have to start rethinking things but of course as you discover these things people decide you're a crank but have you seen in New York City they're spraying pesticide in the sky to kill the mosquitoes that might be carrying the West Nile Virus is they're they're going after West Nile Virus in New York mosquitoes they're spraying pesticide they're letting people know we will be spraying at 8:00 p.m.

stay inside limit Your exposure to the pesticide and they're driving trucks down the street that are just spraying pesticide so we don't learn right um and isn't that disease West Nile Virus isn't that like 80% of the people it's almost nothing right and then at the same time we're dealing with a set of restrictions in the Northeast over Eastern eoin and sephtis right right and so I I've been looking see if you can find the videos of them spraying that [ __ ] in New York City cuz it's it's very orwellian it's very like how

do we not how do we not know to not do this anymore like this seems like a a CR look they're driving down the street spraying look there's mosquitoes we got to kill them so they're spraying at the back of this [ __ ] truck by the way you you're not killing anything you're killing what's on that street what about what's in between the the houses what's in the fields what's in the Park what in the Lake where they all breed well okay so let's let's do this at full strength six confirmed cases we need

to start spraying one of them was Dr fouchy right well look he was hospitalized Brett I know yes um so let's let's look at all the components here one I've seen spraying like that in person before I've seen it in Panama in the Canal Zone now the canal zone is malaria free I don't know what the cost I mean people live in the Canal Zone Americans lived There while the canal was in our possession in large numbers um I do think that the spraying kept the anop mosquitoes to a low enough number that malaria did

not exist in the Canal Zone what the cost of that was I also can't say my guess is the cost of that was very high but not well measured the idea that we are now a why is it we are dealing with a simultaneous panic over Uh Eastern equine and sephtis and West Nile Virus well that is a very odd coincidence one thing that's true is the last the last Panic was over covid and the response to covid was massive vaccination with the MRNA shots as you know the MRNA shots for anybody who got two

or more triggered the production of something called igg4 which I don't know if we've talked about it before but igg4 Is the immune system's own message to itself to turn itself down okay why two or more that's just empiric I I don't know whether anybody expected this result but when it was pursued that was just the number at which we could detect the presence of igg4 so not with one not with one I'm not saying there wasn't any with one but we don't detect it with one shot and then two produces some effect and the

more shots you get the bigger the Effect does that explain why disease itself appears to have changed in the last year or two right why are people so sick during the summer right do you remember even 5 years ago right there were summer colds people remarked on them because it was weird when you got sick during the summer right oh I got a summer cold but people weren't sick with lots of different things during the summer in general you were you know fine during the summer and Then when you you got sick when when it

was you know cold out and you were driven indoors and that was just the pattern right so something's going on that people are much more susceptible and it just so happens that we've watched a pattern where people have been multiply injected with something that we know turns their immune system down why are we not asking the question if the reason that we may have a problem with West Nile Virus and Eastern equine And sephtis is the result of a self-inflicted wound right we should at least be asking that question instead we are still recommending that

goddamn Co shot well and then look at a guy like fouchy who was one of the rare few that was hospitalized and he's had sick shots according to him yeah I got to say as soon as we get to fouchy I just don't believe anything I don't know I'm agnostic as to whether or not the dude took any shots whether He's I don't know what's going on because there's so much garbage surrounding that guy and what he thinks and what he did that I just can't accept any of it at face value but here's what

I don't understand let's let's look at the the the Eastern equine and sephtis issue they are now considering curfews right they're going to start eroding civil liberties over the presence of this disease one person has Died it's only one person yeah if you read up on it it turns out the average year there are seven diagnosed cases of this so it's not like this is a disease that never shows up and suddenly there's one case and people are freaking out there's apparently an an annual rate of this we have an annual rate that even if

it's more this does not suggest the possibility of a massive disease spread and if it did we're still giving people a shot that causes their immune systems To turn down so can we at least stop doing that before we start panicking over new diseases because it sure looks like we are creating vulnerability to new diseases over here recommending mRNA shots that people don't need and then we are you know having lockdowns like we're also recommending it to people that already have natural immunity which is the most bizarre thing of course the most bizarre because there's

no science that backs that up doesn't make any Sense and yet we're still saying to these people you got to get your boosters this i ig4 ig4 ig4 what does that stand for IG means imunoglobulin that's synonym for antibody IGG IG G is a major class of antibody there are something like five major classes and then igg4 is a subclass that turns the immune system down and why does this what what is what is it about the MRNA shots that causes this to happen we don't Know we just know measurably people who have more of

them have this yes and it it's alarming I mean it's alarming for multiple reasons um I wasn't I was really unsure what to think about this when it first occurred to me but the more I think about it the more alarmed I am covid SARS CO2 virus that causes Co appears to have emerged from laboratory work that was dual Use dual use work means bioweapons research the excuse so it's it's called dual use because you're only allowed to do bioweapons research if it's also research that might contribute to to Public Health so the excuse is

oh we're working you know what what do they tell us they said well the gain of function research is so that we can create pathogens and learn what to do about them before they find themselves out of Nature and we Don't know what to do right this is a nonsense story it's not it is it is not coherent to think that by creating some pathogen in a laboratory that you're going to learn something about pathogens that might leap out of nature for one thing pathogens leaping out of nature is a difficult thing for them to

do they have to do two tricks and it's not easy they have to infect a person okay some pathogens will do that But then before that person dies or gets better they have to jump from one person to the next very very few are ever going to jump that Gap so it's not a big risk and then if you've created a pathogen of your own you're going to learn about what to do about that pathogen but it's not broadly applicable and you can see we had research on Corona viruses being done in the Wuhan Institute

being done in North Carolina how much help did it give us what did we Learn from that research that protected us from covid and the answer is nothing nothing because it's inconceivable that you would so they're using the excuse of Public Health to do this weapons research but here's the punchline of the story The vaccines are also the product of bioweapons research because they include the spike protein which was the Innovation that made the ancestor of SARS kovi 2 into an infectious hum human pathogen right the addition of a fern Cleavage site to spike protein

made this thing capable of infecting and spreading between humans that Spike Pro was the core of the MRNA shots get two or more of those shots now you create igg4 and the more of the shots you have the more you you produce but was there any literature that indicated that this was going to have this effect before they rolled out the vaccines or was this Just an unfortunate byproduct I am not aware of that literature but notice the following problem that igg4 signal to turn down the immune system is now connected to the presence of

Spike protein at a bioengineering level it is Trivial to add Spike protein to something else bioweapons researchers have a problem if you create first of all they Have two problems one of them is there aren't that many weaponize human pathogens right so they're sort of bored with the fact that they've got a small number of these things and they've played around with them and you know they're not happy they need something else so there's also a vast number in nature that you could in principle weaponize but most of them can infect a human so they

engage in this you know Hocus Pocus stuff where they take stuff That doesn't infect a human and they turn it into something that infects a human and of course the risk that will it will escape is very very large and the risk that we will learn anything useful is very very small but nonetheless they play this game and if they create something that is a frightening weapon that could in principle in their warped Minds be used for something useful the question is how can you Deliver a biological weapon that harms your enemies without harming your

population you have to separate those two populations in some way the obvious way to do it is to inoculate your population so that they have an immunity the enemy population doesn't have an immunity right right mind you this is all wildly immoral but if you think like a weapons maker this makes some kind of sense but this is not the only way that's where the igg4 thing really Throws me because what they seem to have in the best case accidentally done is created a vulnerability in the populations that took the MRNA shots that does not

exist in populations that didn't and anytime a pathogen shows up with Spike it is likely to trigger the immune system to stand down right that's something that a weapons maker might dream of doing to its enemy the Chinese did not inoculate their population with mRNA based shots And they did not inoculate them with Spike based shots so what did they use other stuff more standard vaccine stuff antigens delivered I mean not effective but doesn't create this effect as far as we know is that like what the novavax is no novax is another uh new technology

I don't know very much about it but um the sinov ax is what the Chinese used and it was a much more standard apparently not very effective Shot um but nonetheless the creation of a vulnerability in one population that the other population doesn't have we can imagine that that was an accident let's hope it was an accident but it does appear to be something that they have created and the fact that weapons makers seem to have created this with their diabolical research ought to give us pause so if weapons manufacturers were involved in the creation

of a Virus what if especially a virus like a respiratory virus that could go across the entire population of the planet and did what would be the use of something that only kills old people and overweight people well I'm not saying that it was a bioweapon I don't think it was you're saying it's bioweapons research that created this virus y but not that the virus was actually a bioweapon well look I do not know how crazy these people are and I don't Really know who they work for right it is obvious that something beyond what

most of us would imagine is true because somehow our dual use researchers were collaborating with Chinese military Associated researchers that's surprising isn't it right so the Wuhan lab was a Chinese based weapons lab bioweapons Lab certainly military Affiliated but the head of the Wuhan Institute uh laboratory in question XI Jang Lee was trained by Ralph baric Right so this is a partnership on Dual use research that doesn't seem to make any sense given what we all think we understand about where the tensions are who are the allies and who are the antagonists on the world

stage and also the fact that this was this funding was stopped in 2014 by the Obama Administration but then fouchi restarted it under the Trump Administration and there's No there's no no nor is there there's no specified goal in terms of like what's the positive benefit for society If This research is done there's a huge possibility that it leaks and it's incredibly detrimental which which it did but there's also even though they were working on this stuff for so long there was no cure for for covid for the thing that they created so like if

you're going to create something that could Potentially you know damage the human race so you're worried about like what would happen if this what would happen if there really was a natural spillover and this thing really come through a pangin or whatever the [ __ ] it did and then got into people we need to figure out a way to save people but there's no solution they were working on this stuff forever and they didn't have a solution ah they didn't have a solution and they didn't allow the one process that would Quickly generate a

solution to function doctors treating patients based on what walks through their office door right but to my way of thinking they already knew what worked ion worked on SARS one SARS 1 is an RNA virus this stuff works generally across RNA viruses it would have rendered covid you know tragic in the sense that we don't need another human pathogen circulating but totally manageable in Almost everybody's case and the way you would use icin is upon initial infection that's it's very quickly you you give it to people so is there's a certain point in time where

After The Infection it's not going to be effective anymore absolutely and how much time is that generally well the amazing thing is even in the studies that claimed that it that they proved it didn't work it does work if you look at the data they collected it reflects that it works even though These experiments were set up to fail they dosed late they underdosed they were done in places where the control group was likely to have ior circulating at a fairly High rate so there's all sorts of tricks that were used but even in those

cases it still worked but the answer I would say is at least in the case of itin it's a little different with hydroxy chloroquin but with itin the stuff is um so low harm that treating immediately Is the way to go because you know the difference in its efficacy between day one and day two and day two and day three those jumps are substantial so there's no reason not to give it immediately and um I guess the question is why we saw all of the skull dugery around portraying icton as dangerous portraying it as ineffective

so we know that they just Lied through their teeth we also know that they knew that it was essentially certain to work so why' they do that and you know there's a a a I don't know how bad the answer is but the answer is at least that they wanted the pandemic the so-called pandemic right they redefined pandemic in order that this would qualify but the so-called pandemic would be significant enough to get everybody To engage in the same kinds of behaviors to accept them right so I don't know the problem we're we're stuck in

the same place we always are which is if we just simply navigate this logically we end up in some pretty dark places with respect to what they might have been up to Why were the weapons makers lying about the utility of drugs that rendered this novel pathogen uh minor well don't you think the the most obvious answer would be there was a Pathway to extreme wealth um if you're going to have a vaccine that is paid for by the government that not only that the government profits off of right so they own patent right they

own a piece of madna right yeah so they sold these vaccines to themselves essentially they they made incredible amounts of them they distri Ed them all over the world insane amount of profit and then forced people to take Them and then ignored all evidence that there was other medications in fact demonized those medications publicly like what they did on CNN that's the that's the demon showing its eyes when what they did on CNN and all those networks when they were talking and calling it horse Dormer despite the fact that it had won the Nobel Prize

for Houston humans y all that stuff the most obvious answer would be profit because you look the amount of money that was Generated it's how much money did they make how much money was generated by fiser let's let's ask let's take a guess um how much money do you think was generated by fizer and madna between 2021 and 2023 which is like the peak years where people were taking it it's kind of tough to talk people into taking it now but there's a bunch of Believers and I follow a few of them on Twitter that

are all in what take a guess how much money do you think they Made between what years 2021 and 2023 I think 2023 was the first year it really dropped off yeah I'm I'm not going to guess I'm going to guess between the two of them I want to say 90 billion dollars that's what I want to say that's my guess so is we GNA find out how much up okay let me try again uh 200 billion oh I guess no I'm not seeing it now it's it's it's a little over 100 billion I think

fizer was called real close Co minority Says generated 75 billion between 21 and 22 doesn't include 23 and then 36 billion for Spike fact which I think is is that madna yeah so over 100 billion yeah but that ain't nothing that's a lot of money it's not it's not but you don't think that's enough money for them first of all you have wonderful thing called the emergency use exemption right and the only way to allow people to uh get away with the emergency use exemption is You have to have some sort of proof that nothing

else works yeah I know that if you have another effective medication you you don't get emergency use authorization right first place I heard that hypothesis was Heather I believed it I've come to believe that it's actually not that that the their ability to cheat in the American system at least is so great that that obstacle would not have prevented them from deploying their Shots but let's pause pause real quick because I have pee and we'll come back right into that because I I want to know the whole thing and I can't be thinking what happen

I totally get it all right we'll be right back all right and we're back so um we were at the emergency use authorization yeah and you think that that wasn't necessary they could have gotten it through anyway I think it's yeah it's logical enough there's truth in it they you know having a a viable Preventative for for SARS kov 2 in theory should have prevented an eua but I don't think that that was an obstacle they couldn't have overcome I think the problem was their real goal was to normalize the use of a gene therapy

on a population that had never had had that idea placed in its mind and so they called it a vaccine that was one thing but they also needed the disease to be frightening enough that people would accept something Radical in order to get through it and had doctors been enabled to just simply do what doctors are supposed to do they would have discovered that there were treatments inexpensive ones one of them EX extremely safe the other one comparatively safe that were highly efficacious they would have discovered uh the connection to vitamin D all of these

things and that would have that would have meant two things one it would have meant that the degree to which the MRNA platform got normalized would have been much reduced and it also would have created a massive control group people who didn't take the shots which would make the harms that much less obvious right so I suspect the reason I say that $100 billion isn't a lot of money when it obviously is a lot of money is that it's not a lot of money compared to what was at stake in their minds which is the

MRNA platform which can be used to reformulate every vaccine they've got to Create a bunch of new vaccines this we're talking about a trillion doll invention that could not be brought to Market normally because it's way too dangerous and and the emergency made it possible not only to bring it to Market but to get everybody or nearly everybody on board with it and I don't know how deep this Rabbit Hole goes I do think there's something remarkable about the early days of the so-called pandemic Where doctors were primed for the horror of this disease so

that they were already in the mindset of radical interventions which meant that they did a lot of harm with things like ventilators that didn't need to be done they killed a lot of people because they thought they were rescuing them so the eua story is good enough it more or less explains it but I don't think it it obscures the bigger picture which is That the MRNA platform itself is the ultimate Cash Cow that couldn't be brought to Market under anything but the most extraordinary Emergen circumstances and so they took a virus that shouldn't have

existed in humans at all and wasn't that terrifying uh when it was Rel released into the population um and they turned it into something frightening enough that people would contemplate things that they ordinarily would have rejected But doesn't that also make sense that the emergency use authorization would have to be in place in order for them to implement this because you're always going to like you said the lack of a control right if everybody gets vaccinated you don't know what the hell happen you blame it on Co which is why people who' have been hit

with the shots say they have long Co but if you have no emergency use authorization and then people are allowed to make their own Decisions and doctors allowed to make their own decision there's a lot of it's way easier to do it with this emergency use authorization it's way easier to slip it through oh and the only way you could stop that is if all of a sudden if so emergency use authorization is supposed to only exist if there's not some sort of a medication that currently exists that treats it right otherwise you're going to

have to go through all the trials if there's another medication That exists so you demonize the medications you sneak it through you make everybody take it therefore you lose the control and now you've got this platform rolled out do you think that they didn't know to the extent of the damage that it was going to cause I think they knew you think they knew it was going to harm that many people yeah I because so much I mean I'm not arguing that the eua wasn't important I think it was important I Just don't think it

was necessary for them to they they could have overcome that obstacle the way they overcame I see what you're saying many others but the most important thing was rolling out this platform and normalizing it getting people to accept the idea that they were going to take an mRNA shot right that was a big leap and so the eua was important and we know that because of the Shenanigans around they ultimately Did get a shot that they said was the same uh not emergency use authorized but I'm now forgetting the term when the FDA actually uh

there's another term it's not authorized but it's a synonym but anyway they did get oh approved they did get one approved and you couldn't get it they kept giving the one that had the eua they did that for legal reasons it gave them a layer of immunity right they had been given the the license to deliver an experimental drug and then They got approval for a non-experimental drug and they kept giving the experimental one even though they said they were the same thing there's something very deep there around the legal status of that emergency use

authorized pharmaceutical H and so do you think that the blowback from all of this and the amount of people that are reporting vaccine in injuries and the amount of discussion that's Happening especially online about these things makes it more difficult for them to roll out that platform for other things yes I think we got in their way I think we outed them but to your earlier question about did they know how much harm if they didn't they'd be behaving differently now notice how it's not slowing them down right right they're still recommending these things for

six-month-old what on What Planet would You do that we now have and pregnant women and pregnant women right we now have a novel pathogen that presumably these kids are going to be faced with encounters repeatedly for the rest of their lives and you want to mess with their immunity 6 months into life you have no idea whether you are making it impossible for them to develop some proper immunity so they can fend this thing off for all of the encounters for the rest of their life right you're like Creating a consumer at the expense of

a child and it's insane and I will tell you i' I've just found out that there is sort of a next chapter on this this mRNA stuff which I don't know if you've paid any attention have you noticed what's going on in Japan with the self-replicating MRNA no so there's a new version apparently when the MRNA platform that we got was settled upon there were some competing Platforms that didn't make it and those competing platforms are beginning to make their debut and in Japan there are currently protests over what's called a self-replicating mRNA vaccine I

think they call it a Replicon and so notice that the whole mRNA platform was really about doing away with the vaccine Factory by turning you into a vaccine Factory right your cells became the vaccine Factory and there are reasons that a Pharmaceutical company especially an aoral one would prefer that the self-re so remember one of the things that was done to make the MRNA vaccines that we got work was the MRNA transcript was stabilized with pseudo iDine all of the uracils that would ordinarily have been in that message were replaced by something chemically similar that

is sometimes seen in nature but the more of them you have the more stable the molecule is so when they told us the MRNA molecules were short-lived we didn't have to worry about this shot because the mrnas weren't going to last very long in our bodies right they would disappear that was a lie they had hyper stabilized these things they've now given a a Nobel prize for the hyper stabilization process they wanted to give a prize for the vaccines and so they gave it for this narrow thing I would argue maybe it's the worst design

flaw in the entire thing and that's Saying something because there are substantial number of design flaws but these self-replicating mrnas the competing platform borrows some Machinery from something called an alpha virus and that Alpha virus basically they take the Genome of an alpha virus and they include the um Gene for the antigen that they want your body to develop an immunity to but they include it along with some genes for proteins That allow the the RNA to basically copy itself right so now instead of taking a molecule of mRNA and putting it in lipid nanoparticle

and making it hyper stable so it keeps making new messages what they're going to do is they're going to allow the MRNA to duplicate itself biologically inside of you right now this is madness right they are running a radical Experiment a new one the MRNA platform was a radical experiment to begin with self-replicating that's a whole new level of radical and they are considering I think they have gotten permission to deliver this stuff in Japan this fall right so this is if these people did not understand the damage that they were going to do it

would have given them pause they would they would have looked At all of the harm all of the people who died who didn't need to all of the people suffering from you know compromised immunity and they would have thought holy [ __ ] what did we miss but that's not what they think this is business as usual for them it's clearly business as usual the only way you're going to develop new novel medications that are effective is Commerce you're going to have to have people profiting off of them which is Why they fund them cost

a lot of money under the current climate if you have FDA approval cost billions of dollars to achieve that so you need people to be able to make money but isn't people making money off these medications the real reason why stuff like this happens in the first place um I think it's a bad paradigm you know I definitely want those rare Pharmaceuticals that actually do more good than harm when you say rare how what percentage you think it Is 1% Jesus Christ um yeah now let me that's going to sound crazy to people but let

me defend it for a second okay when you have a pathology that's widespread enough for a company to make a medication to do something about it you are dealing with a failure of the environment in which the creature lives our focus should be on that it should be on what's in our food that we're not Expecting right seed oils for example right a lot of us spent our lives not noticing that seed oils weren't what they appeared to be and that they actually have a role to play in the creation of disease right it's not

vegetable oil right vegetable oil avocado oil is vegetable oil seed oil it's fruit oil exactly it's a fatty fruit oil perfect so the point is that one makes sense because a plant does not want you eating Its seed right so it puts toxins in the seed the oil from avocados comes from the flesh which is there to induce Birds to take the seed various places so the point is it's designed as a food so anyway there's something wrong with the environment the profitable thing to do is not to fix the environment it's to create a

remedy or something that masquerades as a remedy and the number of harms that are being done to people Is just compounding so my feeling is the Paradigm is wrong I want the antibiotic to prevent the gang greine right we've cured Gang Green people don't lose their arms anymore because they got a wound that's good that's a pharmaceutical that's worth having we should treat it with respect we should not deliver the stuff where it doesn't belong but by and large the Pharmaceuticals we have are creating their own demand sometimes they're being given because somebody has Engineered

a parameter that causes a doctor you know Statin are being delivered because of you know a metric that suggests to somebody that you have ill health in some way that can be remedied by these things it was nonsense to begin with um so yeah I think the cost we pay is huge and that the market is going to find plausible stories that cause people to be willing to take drugs and that mostly you know Health it starts in the kitchen That's something that doctors I respect have have pointed out that this is about what you're

consuming it's about the environment that you live in it's about understanding that sunlight is an important contributor to health and that the way we live means that you're probably deficient in vitamin D it's about all of those things and the amount of good that could be done just by simply recognizing the environmental component is Huge well that seems reasonable I must be a crank yeah I know is that funny that was what was hilarious to me during the pandemic was people that were clearly not physically healthy saying that the only way that you could be

healthy was to take this medication that to me was bizarre it was so bizarre because they weren't even considering taking care of their body they were only considering taking this medication as if taking care of your Body was foolish right which is so weird like when I had hotz on he was talking about his diet I remember that what do you eat what do you do you ever work out like eats junk food eats junk food and blasts himself with vaccines yeah it's nuts it's nuts yeah I don't know I don't know what's up with

him but it's it's a something not good yeah yeah I mean just the contradictory statements over the years and and his stance on vaccines when when Trump was President his his Stance on the MRNA platform when Trump is President versus the immediate 180 that he took I mean Biden took in office I I hate to say this but he's either a cold-hearted liar or the most profoundly unself-aware person that has ever existed I mean it's stunning I think it's two it's number two is the lad with a little bit of number one that is necessary

in order to be number two M You know I think you if you're a part of a system and it's really important that you support all the people above you in the system and that you're all work together and you're a good company man you'll find profound ways to justify the things that you're saying and especially if you can use some sciency kind of talk and talk about diseases and inflate people dying and inflate numbers and inflate this and that yeah yeah well which is why they Attacked me so hard they don't want someone healthy

get over it real quick and say Hey you know me I work out all the time by the way got over real quick that's how I did it well that I mean that that goes back to what I was getting at is that it everything I saw suggested they wanted it to be as terrifying as possible absolutely yeah there was no comforting people no telling people listen it's not nearly as bad as we thought it was going To be you're going to be fine they they didn't want to contribute to vaccine hesitancy right because they

wanted that money to keep rolling in and that the number I mean just the shift in that imagine if they did imagine if right away they said you know what this is not nearly as bad as we thought it was going to be the way Bill Gates talks about it now right um it actually mostly affected older people and people who were very vulnerable that's the those are the People that really affected it the amount of profit they would have made would have been significantly less and the enthusiasm for the platform would have been significantly

less yes the I really believe you're talking in the end about I think many hundreds of billions is unrealistically low we're talking about an industry that has been playing this game without our knowledge right how do you demonize competing drugs how do you Make your pharmaceutical look safe when it isn't how do you make it look effective when it isn't right that's the game every day of the week for these people and they found the ultimate version of that game in the MRNA platform which they wanted to normalize and they needed an emergency to do

it that's that's the most parsimonious explanation for everything we experienced and you know it's a it's it's playing God with people's lives but It's also the weird thing was especially now because of uh Zuckerberg's recent statement we now know for sure that what he was saying was that they were pressuring them to remove covid-19 information that turned out to be true so the government was involved in this whole thing thing because the government was probably being pressured by the pharmaceutical drug companies yes and you know even those Distinctions I think are quaint we are now

watching the fusion of corporate power and governmental power that is the definition of fascism we're seeing the breakdown of individual and National sovereignty right what the hell is the five eyes why are the intelligence apparatus of these countries conspiring against the citizens of these countries all of the categories that we grew up with are an obstacle to seeing what's Actually uh functioning as our antagonist here it doesn't have a name it doesn't have a national boundary it's clearly targeting the civil liberties that make the West possible and we're going to have to level up quickly

if we are actually going to survive this so what's worst case scenario in your mind that's with with all the competing factors that are happening right now What's worst case [Music] Scenario well let's leave this terrestrial okay there are some space weather stuff I'm pretty concerned about that we really need to have our governmental [ __ ] in order in order to deal with but I'm concerned that we are facing the last opportunity to wield the power that remains in our constitution in order to preserve the West I really Believe the West is at stake

in this election and I know that everybody will laugh and they will say ah everybody always says this is the last opportunity this time it's really dire but I truly believe the Republic is in serious Jeopardy I believe that however it happened the blue team has become hostile to all of the fundamental values that allow the Republic to function and that undergird the west and When I say the West I'm not talking about a set of countries I'm not talking about a geographic description I'm talking about an agreement not to rig the world in favor

of your people an agreement on a Level Playing Field in which people are rewarded for creating wealth from which we all benefit that system is incredibly Dynamic and Powerful it increases human well-being at a rate that no other competing system has ever Come close to and it is very strong in one way its capacity to generate wealth is incredible but it is vulnerable the reason that our founding documents have the strange form that they do the reason that the founders of the US carved out all of these counterintuitive rights are that in order to stabilize

that system you needed to have an industrial strength document that prevented all sorts of threats from getting anywhere Near the core of that system so I think the worst case scenario is the next election November we don't beat the cheat margin The Blue Team remains in power and it dismantles the remaining protections of our civil liberties and the basis of our freedom and what would be the way they would go about doing that Well you know you saw it right that thing you put up from the New York Times mhm the idea is look at

some level we've got the First Amendment which is already in tremendous Peril right we've got Brazil turning off X as you pointed out uh threatening to ruin anybody who uses a vpm VPN to circumvent their block um you've got uh pav durov who has been effectively taken hostage in France you have the owner of Telegram yeah yeah you have people in Britain being arrested for speaking freely and the US is actually in some ways the last holdout why are we the last hold out because our first amendment is spelled out in very clear terms and

it's difficult to get around it and you know you and I lived through an era of terrible censorship but it had to be cryptic here you showed the New York Times was it experimenting with how to phrase the argument for unhooking the Constitution so that people would get used to the idea that that was being done for them right it's dangerous the first amendment is dangerous first constitution is dangerous don't you see what is it dangerous they pose the question but here's here's the I mean let's flip the topic on its head right yeah the

founders of the US enshrined counterintuitive rights right these were brilliant men and they enshrined counterintuitive rights because they understood a thing or two about tyranny because they had faced it they knew that there was no way to eliminate bad speech without eliminating necessary speech so they said you know what you can't do it there is lots of bad speech live with it you know why because there's really uncomfortable stuff that Needs to be said that you don't want anyone to have the power to eliminate right that's counterintuitive everybody every child understands people shouldn't be allowed

to say bad stuff right maybe that's appropriate in a kindergarten classroom but it's not appropriate in a civilization where we have to figure out what's good and what's bad right and it has to be debated nobody has the position from which to say which speech has no value So that's off limit but here's the frightening part it's even frightening to raise this point that first amendment is where it is for a reason it's the fundamental right to all of these they placed the second amendment in the backup position so what I'm telling you is I

am concerned that we are you know you can hear our civil liberties creaking you can hear that Document threatening to give way you can hear the enemies of it experimenting with explaining what they're doing and why they're really the ones who are looking out for your best interests all of these Maniacs are going to make violence inevitable we have to avoid that we absolutely have to avoid that so I don't know if this is the moment to talk about what's brewing over the course of the next Month sure all right so several of us are

organizing a an event I don't really want to call it an event cuz all it's technically an event I think it's much more important than that but we're going to hold an event on the capol mall on September 29th it's going to be between the Washington Monument and the World War II Memorial that event is called rescue the Republic and it is really about rescuing the Republic in order to save the West this is a an attempt to gather the unity movement that is forming at this moment here you can see some of the characters

who will be joining us on the the mall and here's the pitch I would make there are Transcendent moments in culture there are moments at which something shifts Woodstock was a music festival but it Was obviously more than a music festival it was a defining moment for a generation I think there's a lot that's unfortunate about what that generation has done and in fact I believe they've put us in the Jeopardy that we're in now and that in some ways what we're struggling to do is get past their Vision the event that we are holding

on the capitol mall on September 29th is really an attempt to bookend that era to End it and to start a new era in which as Bobby Kennedy said we love our children more than we hate each other right and that allows us to come together and recognize each other as allies to fend off this force that is obviously targeting our civil liberties our freedom the very foundations of our system so what we've done is we've outlined eight pillars there are things which I think almost every member of your audience really any Patriot anybody Who

understands the value of the West would resonate with these are just fundamentals and we can go through them in a second if you want but the idea is we're going to get as many people as we can together on the capitol mall and my point would be it could be 50,000 people that's not enough if you want to prevent the other side from being able to cheat its way to Victory there needs to be a massive Showing of support for this Unity Coalition that is emerging this Unity Coalition is not Maga it contains maga maga

is part of that Coalition we saw that begin to happen where president Trump brought on Bobby Kennedy when Bobby Kennedy stepped out of the race right that was the the moment at which the idea of Unity began to catalyze and the question is all right well how many of us are there so gathering on the capitol mall is going To allow us to show just how how many of us there are and how serious we are about restoring the Republic and returning to the foundational principles how many FBI agents think are going to show up

well you should be able to recognize them by the swastikas that they're carrying the fact that they're inciting violence or um you think that's going to happen well let's put it this way um the first of the pillars of the Rescue the Republic event is war is always the last resort and I would broaden that a little bit just so that it's very clear to people who are listening to this and I realize you're an MMA guy so I got to be careful here nonconsensual violence is always the last resort if you want to gather

with somebody else and fight with them under some agreement that's yeah I don't violence is very different than sport Yeah sport violent Combat Sports it's just violence is just a part of it but it's uh agreed they're some of the nicest guys you ever want to meet oh yeah I believe me I want to leave plenty of room for that I just want to say if I say violence is the last resort I don't want anybody to be confused about what that means but the point is look violence is the last resort and this Gathering

is the attempt to avoid that happening the people who are eroding our Rights are making it inevitable we want to head them off at the pass and we want to Proclaim what it is that we stand for and the first thing that we stand for is that war is always the last result Resort this is not a pacifist movement right in fact I've been all right do you remember learning in school that this country this Bastion of Freedom was forged by Patriots who fought off tyrants who beat the odds and Created this country right do

you remember learning that Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of Liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants MH so this idea that tyranny is a profound problem is written in our DNA as an nation and those who are cynically dismantling the nation are putting us in that Jeopardy and what I'm afraid that people Will do is they will with some justification say to themselves you know what I'm not sure how much my vote counts I'm not sure what we can do I'm expecting them to cheat and then they're going to

cross their fingers and we're going to end up with an a result that people people are going to have a hard time accepting this is the alternative if you don't know if your vote counts you know what does count if You show up in a large group that makes it very clear that there are lots of us who are intent on keeping our rights so the first of our oh go ahead no first of our pillars war is always the last resort second is is that we have to recodified consent so the medical Freedom Movement

is part and parcel of what we are and I know that that's an issue that is um profoundly important I'm concerned that Um the the medical Freedom Movement was taking shape and then events happened that caused it to get swamped the fact the uh Trump campaign was uninterested in talking about the problems of project warp speed uh dropped that issue uh to a low priority and we are going to re prioritize it the third of our pillars is that we have to repel censorship propaganda and information Control we have a right to have a Public

Square to have a discussion you have a a right to be incorrect hopefully you're honorable about it and you discover you're incorrect and you fix your error but we have to be able to talk freely there's nobody who knows what the facts are so that they can tell us you know which things we're allowed to talk about anymore than there's somebody in a position to tell us which speech is tolerable right this is Sacran and so we have to have um an end to censorship the fourth pillar is that we have to return to a

modality of Truth seeking you can't have a system of universities or institutes or arms of the government that believe they have the right to lie to us for our own good that leads to a very dark workplace and so we have to replace that paternalistic anti-truth bent with a return to to open truth Seeking so that's uh that's the fourth one fifth one is an end to lawfare we've seen the radical abuse of the courts much of it amounts to election interference so it is break taking down another one of the fundamental elements of a

Democratic Society it is making it impossible to elect the people we would choose to elect we we're being steered uh in a way that is intolerable and I would say the second component of uh our Focus on lawfare is that we have to have elections that we can trust free and fair elections are obviously Central to a Democratic Republic and so that has to be enshrined in a way my personal opinion this is not the opinion of the organizers of the event necessarily but in my personal opinion um this is a place where the various

the the states all coming up with their own mechanisms for voting is a problem and I think actually we have to have a National conversation about how to hold elections that are um transparent and verifiable that seems like a minimum requirement I think I'm on the that was six that was six so the seventh pillar is um Financial uh Freedom so this is essentially about the danger of a central bank digital currency that we need to retain the capacity to be autonomous and we can't have tyranny inflicted on us through uh some sort of A

social credit system that would be mediated through a central bank digital currency um the there are two more and these are out of order on the screen um immigration industrial complex border policy we need a rational border policy um obviously open borders don't make any sense immigration is something that we need to decide what the right level is we need to decide um how to bring in people who actually want to be Americans and only at the rate that the civilization in question can absorb them and um they can be part of this great experiment

and then the last one Injustice is uh no that's lawfare the last one is going to be where is it IM oh development right of course the um sovereignty of the family we can't have a civilization in which the government is telling you that because your child said something that They think means uh that uh they are gender queer that they are you know that they need need to have medications and surgeries inflicted on them and that it's not your right as a parent to say no so those are the eight pillars I think if

people think about those eight pillars and realize actually there's nothing to disagree with there that reasonable people would all agree to these things because they're not in any way radical and that A Unity movement built around these things is exactly where they want to be in an era where there's so much sanity being presented to us as The Only Way Forward hopefully they will gather with us on the capitol mall on September 29th and show themselves and really I think if you had you know half a million people show up that will make a pretty

unambiguous statement I think it's important to point out that you had this idea a while ago and that it was Actually removed from Twitter uh in 2020 yeah I um initiated what I called the unity 2020 movement which I actually announced on your show under a different name it was called Darkhorse Duo before it became Unity 2020 and I still think it was the right idea um it was elegant in its construction so that it neutralized uh things by virtue of the balance of the plan that's not what we're faced with now but I do

think yeah If I'm if I'm perfectly Frank about it I think Unity was the right answer it was the wrong moment for it to catch fire but what's important is that it was removed from Twitter yeah it was removed from Twitter what was the rationalization what they say it was under false pretenses what they said was that we had engaged in what was their phrase something like inorganic Behavior or inauthentic Behavior which was code for yeah Bots That they argued that we had used we did an internal investigation to see if somebody had used them

under our Banner it turned out there was no truth in it well here's the thing you could do very easily you put Bots onto this program so you have these people that are tweeting under this banner and then you send the Bots to that page to agree with them and they say oh my God we found Bots right let's shut it down yeah absolutely I mean it's you know it's the same trick As uh sending people with a swasti a flag to the trucker March so you can claim that they're Nazis exactly the same stuff

it's just U organized yeah it's organized so um I don't know I do think Unity is the right message I think this is exactly the moment at which people do come together because many people feel the Jeopardy I sincerely hope that what president Trump discovered when he Brought Bobby Kennedy on board um continues to grow in his mind because I think actually he has the potential to lead a um a massive movement to restore the Republic and make it function and that would be I think it would be wonderful for him I think he would

go down in history as um not the polarizing figure that people seem intent on turning him into but uh he would go down in history as a galvanizing figure as Really a ref founder of the country I know that will be hard for many people who have thought ill of him to swallow but um the I don't know what you think but the the joining of the Trump campaign and and Bobby Kennedy and tulsy and Tulsi tulsy who is in fact coming to our event I was say tulsi's coming uh Jimmy Dore Russell Brand will

be there um oh you know who's gonna be there who Bobby Kennedy uh he's not on the website yet um but he mat Matt Ty will be there zubie will be there Pierre Corey Robert Malone uh Colonel Douglas McGregor um and this is uh September 29th and what is the website join the resistance .org join the resistance.org is where you find it um and uh oh Laura Logan will be present um and there are some folks so by the way Bobby says hello um there are some other folks that we Are um negotiating with to

see if we can get them there some very big names I wish I could tell you but no worries that's big names yeah um but in any case I I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we make a strong showing and the reason that it is important is because it will make it very difficult to sell the story that the enthusiasm simply drove kamla Harris who has yet to articulate anything like a vision into The White House we need to make it clear right if you worry that your vote doesn't count your physical

Pres on the mall the picture of Americans coming together across ideological divides and joining together in order to rescue the Republic I believe is the antidote to uh the cheating that we all fear all right here here B Weinstein appreciate you very much right back at you thank you thanks for being you all right thanks goodbye everybody all right We were gonna end ladies and gentlemen a bonus a bonus uh we had forgot to talk about this one thing so when Tucker was on he was saying that there was no evidence for evolution yeah and

you had a real problem with that well I didn't have a real problem with that I I small small problem with that let's put it this way I don't think I I think it's nonsense but I understand I understand how he ends up there so let me just say I I saw that segment of course as you Would imagine and um I immediately reached out to him and I said Tucker you you've got it wrong the evidence for darwinian evolution for adaptation is overwhelming and I would love to sit down with you and talk to

you about why that is and he said I would love that we haven't had a chance yet but I do think it's important in um saying something about why that perspective where that perspective is coming from and why it's incorrect it is Important to say I really appreciate Tucker and his openness to hearing the counterargument uh says a lot about him he was not the slightest bit defensive and in fact was eager to hear about uh about Darwinism and well he's absolutely one to change his mind yeah yeah about everything yeah I agree which is

great it is it is a it's a very it's very important that he's got such a big voice because of that I agree and I I must Just say uh you know it's funny I went on his show he was the first person to reach out when things melted down uh in 2017 at Evergreen and I thought him a Villain at the time but because nobody else had reached out from any mainstream platform I felt like I had no choice but I remember you took a lot of heat for that for being on your show

a lot of heat but I also it was a wakeup call because you know I was expecting him to treat me me Badly I was expecting him to treat me as a liberal who got what he deserved and instead he was absolutely compassionate and he didn't there was no part of him that was taking a Victory lap over some some liberal who was faced with an angry mob so anyway he's oddly misinterpreted yes like the way people pretend he is versus how he actually is I mean he doesn't do himself any favors like when he

had that guy on that said he blew Obama like what are you what the fu are You doing he's just wild but I mean he's willing to have on anybody I guess but but who he is as a person he's a lovely guy yeah he's a great guy and ni guy and you know uh he's just like obsessively in love with nature oh yeah right yeah which is really interesting about him um passionate fly fisherman oh yeah passionate yeah passionate Outdoorsman and anyway I I I have a lot of affection for the guy yeah I

do too it's and it is interesting of you tell there's a Certain group of people that are just on team blue they say anything positive about Tucker and you're some sort of a terrible villain and he represents white supremacy and yeah okay Y what yeah it was it was a a strange Discovery but it's a f it's it's being connected to Fox News you know you get attached to Fox News you get attach especially him the most popular voice voice on Fox News yeah I spent a lot of time uh you know he's always being

Demonized as a white supremacist or something and I got into the habit every time somebody said oh you know Tucker Finally Revealed himself I would click through and see what the evidence was yeah and it's just like okay the guy just said he wasn't for open borders right there's it's just it's just empty yeah well it's just the rational voice is so discouraged in today's world the rational objective voice where you look at both sides you look at I see why Someone would say this I see what you're saying I see this you know everybody

immediately gets polarized everybody immediately connects to their ideology and and changes the words of someone to be the least charitable version of what it is and the the most heinous interpretation of who that human being is and if you support them you support this and if you platform them you platform this and it's just nonsense it's nonsense pedal by Morons it's a moronic way to look at the world it really is yeah it's almost beyond that because I mean look I remember I remember thinking Bobby Kennedy was a c yeah 100% I said it to

him when he came on the podcast I said I have to be honest that my version of you was connected entirely to you being an antivaxer conspiracy theorist Kook the Dark Cloud of the Kennedy family this one guy who's just nuts unfortunately Too bad then I read the real Anthony fouchy I was like hang on yeah oh it's it's and then I talked to some brilliant people that I know that recommended certain things and told me to read some other things that he had written I'm like oh okay this is another one of those another

one of well this people that meet me and they think I'm some right-wing C you know conspiracy theorist [ __ ] mean person it's like okay how do you get there like what You're you're getting there because someone's LED you there you're not getting there from a normal objective analysis of a person who they are and what they stand for that that's exactly it and with him he's connected to that business that business of first environment right so he's an environmental attorney he cleaned up the the East River and you know had did a lot

of great work yeah he he is our he is our champion and we were led to Believe that he was a bad guy yeah yeah and he's so well measured when even dealing with these attacks the way he handles things is so admirable it is admirable it really is yeah and and you know it's good for all of us yeah well the discovery I want everybody to have the experience of having thought ill of somebody like Tucker or like Bobby Kennedy and then to discover in person that the the rap is just wrong right and

you're being led you're being led by What's essentially propaganda and it's to polarize us it's to keep us separated and to keep us thinking that um you don't have anything in common with people on the right and they're they're demons you don't have anything in common with people on the left they're loons like you and I are both very socially liberal yeah you know and the idea that you'd be sitting here saying Trump's got to win I know who would have thought right it's crazy it is crazy it's crazy But the world's crazy and uh

when the world's crazy you have to have crazy Solutions I've started when people don't know who I am and they start they're they ask just I'm a biologist just keep moving well the problem is you know eventually they're going to run into it so I've started saying look I'm happy to tell you what I do but I should warn you I'm a terrible person who's come to believe unforgivable things it kind of works because you hear Somebody say that about thems it's like well okay what doesn't add up here right um but anyway back to

Tucker um here's the problem I think there's a lot of concern especially on the right about the story of Darwinism being Incorrect and to me this is a slow motion train wreck and I I don't fault people for thinking that Darwin had it wrong because I think modern darwinists have screwed up their job and in fact they became advocates for Darwin in a way that prevented them from seeing that there was a major error in the version that they were presenting and what is the error the error is that the story's let's put it this

way Darwin existed at a moment where his ability To access what was taking place inside of biological creatures was just limited technologically okay so there's a lot that he didn't know and it actually worked to his benefit because what he outlined was an extremely elegant idea in fact Richard Dawkins said it was the most powerful theory that anyone had ever come up with and his defense for that I find very compelling his defense was the power of A theory is that which it explains divided by that which it assumes and the thing about Darwinism is

it assumes almost nothing right essentially descent with modification and it explains essentially all of biology so by that rubric it is just Far and Away the most powerful Theory we've got now what he presented was a an outline of how what I would call selection right just a non-random sorting of things when It was coupled with heredity produced adaptation okay creatures being adapted to their environments by the process of selection where some things outdo other things and heredity allows the characteristics that make some things outo other things to accumulate when DNA so the order of

events is Darwin outlines his hypothesis mendal at the same time is playing games with PE Plants and mendal Discovers the particulate inheritance he discovers that if he is careful about how he breeds the peas that he can actually identify traits as they move from parent to offspring in a way that suggests that it wasn't like swirling up a bunch of ice cream it was like things that stayed independent that flowed through these breedings right Darwin didn't know about it mendle was working at the same time but Darwin apparently did not know about what mendle was

doing And so Darwin worked purely at the level of Critters and their characteristics and he knew that there had to be a way for hereditary information to be housed inside of them but he knew nothing about how that worked mendle had the first piece of how it worked it's particulate these things exist we now know they exist on chromosomes in DNA form but that took a long time to figure out but at the point That we finally found out mson and Crick elucidate the structure of DNA they say it hasn't escaped our notice that this

provides a place for the information that mendle had pointed to that Darwin had implied that that fits in the DNA right at that moment our vision of heredity narrowed radically okay because we had this description of how it is that information can live inside of a biological organism be passed parent to Offspring and be selected in a way that causes adaptation right that story is absolutely true we know it to be true and it's so powerful and elegant that it caused biology to focus on it as if it was Darwin's mechanism period the end the

error is that it's not Darwin's mechanism it is a darwinian mechanism and the problem is as powerful as it is right the story that they teach us random mutations in protein coding genes are almost always bad every so Often there's a good one selection tends to accumulate the good ones and the creatures and their special characteristics are all the results of all the collected good adaptations with all of the bad adaptations or mutations all of the good mutations collected and all of the bad mutations lost that story is not in my opinion powerful enough to

explain the amazing characteristics of creatures right it explains some of them it can explain for Example how you get a pigment molecule right you know so a plant has a plant is green because it can't use green light it's collecting other wavelengths of Light how can you get a molecule that happens to collect certain wavelengths of light that story that I just told you about mutations and protein coating genes can get you to a pigment right but can it get you to where an octopus can change its texture and completely camouflage itself to look Like

a coral reef no and I don't think it can get you from a shrew to a bat right right or to a human right true to a human right so you now have a problem which is a you've got darwinists and other biologists who have been backed into a corner and they've sworn up and down that mutations and protein cating genes if you give it enough time and enough seleced force can do everything we see and because they know that the story They're telling is true in some regards they just keep stretching it so it

covers everything I don't think it does cover everything in fact I've thought since I was in college that there was a missing layer right that there is a layer that explains how the amazing alterations in form that we see is produced by darwinian processes right selection inter acting with heredity and I think we've just missed It so just to take an analogy so this will be clearer to people a computer a modern computer functions based on binary the flipping of switches that have exactly two states if you were to sit down with I don't know

an AI or or a sophisticated computer game and I say yep that thing is programmed in binary to do these amazing things that You're seeing right there's a technical truth there but that's not you couldn't program a game like that in binary nobody did it's not how it happened there's a layer that's missing there's a layer called compilers and computer languages that allows a human being through a very regimented process to specify things such that the binary layer can do its job right the computer is binary but there's a whole layer Between binary and Halo

3 or whatever kids are playing so I'm arguing there's another there's another layer and it I believe it does live in the DNA but it is not protein coding genes right it is not limited in the same way so what this does to a guy like Tucker is it leaves him debating between two camps and it happened you had uh Steven Meyer on MH yeah so I know Steven Meyer really like him too um Steven Meyer is obviously a believer In intelligent design True Believer True Believer believes in Resurrection yep now here's the other thing

I know about Steven Meyer because I've uh had the Good Fortune to spend some time with him to break bread to talk to him about biology he really loves biology and he's good at thinking about it he's passionate about it in fact where I overlapped with him was at a little conference and he brought Um swim goggles for anybody who wanted them because he wanted to go into the Mediterranean and go look at animals because it's cool right this guy's he's not a faker right so here's here's what I would say he will not be

surprised to hear me say because I've said it directly to him I don't think he's got it right he's looking for Flaws in Darwinism because he thinks what will be revealed is a Divine Creator I think there are flaws in Darwinism I think they reveal the fact that we've missed a bunch of Darwinism right this is no obstacle to us being friends and sharing an appreciation for biology okay but it does mean that in the end we're betting on different outcomes of the experiment but we're both committed to finding those errors and figuring out what's

there right should I be troubled by the fact that he believes In uh a Divine Creator not really any more than I should be troubled by a biologist who's motivated by a desire to win a big prize so do you think that there's a process that it's yet to be discovered there's something else going on yeah and I think we've we've glimpsed it but have we glimpsed it um I think there's another way that information is stored in DNA that is not in triplet codons and it allows it's the equivalent Of a either you know

we have different kinds of computer languages not all of them are compiled some of them you can just write directly and tell the computer to operate but it's the equivalent of a computer language that turbocharges the process of adaptation and so the point about Steven Meyer is he makes a number of different arguments about problems he spots with Darwinism I don't think some of them Really are problems but there is one that strikes me as real right they call it the waiting time problem and the basic point is look we can do the math on

how much adaptation we see and and there isn't enough time for you to get the adaptations that you're seeing given how much availability of time there was for those things to occur so the point is that process that you're claiming made these creatures couldn't have done it in the amount of time you're claiming They they were created now my point is that is actually I think likely true because there's this other process like if you had to com if you had to write Halo 3 I don't even know if there is a Halo 3 but

I don't know how many Halos are okay good thumbs up if you had to write Halo 3 in binary how long would it take you it would take you a zillion years because yeah you know it's binary if you had to write it in I don't know C++ it Might be doable on human time scales so it's that kind of an error so I think you've got um you've got darwinists claiming that the St is more complete than it is my bet is the thing that's missing is every bit as darwinian as the part of

the story that we already know so I think you know to the extent that there's an error the error is on biologists who thought too narrowly it's not on Darwin right this is not a threat To what Darwin gave us it's just a belief that um that Darwin was writer than we have yet recognized um and in the end I think that that's what what people like Steven Meyer will discover and I would also point out from the perspective you know so if a guy like Tucker is listening to this and he's thinking you know

the story in which we've got a Creator makes more sense to me than the story in which some darwinian process produces all of This biological diversity I would argue that ultimately you still don't escape Darwinism right like imagine imagine that this universe was created by somebody who had a plan my claim would be they used darwinian Evolution to make all the creatures in fact I would argue if this universe is one that has a creator that it is an evolution Simulator that's the most useful thing it does is it figures out how creatures could be

by using this process of selection right and they continue to get better right yeah somebody was interest you know I don't think there was a Creator but if there was a Creator I believe not only a did they use selection and adaptation in order to make the creatures but that's probably the reason they did the whole experiment right that that's the most interesting Thing it produces um and B let's say you know let's just give the hypothesis it's due let's say that this was a environment created by some intentional being with the purpose of making

Critters using darwinian Evolution okay so then you know you've heard Elon say well if it's possible to simulate universes then there are bound to be vastly more simulated universes than there are real universes um so We're probably in one now I don't really buy that analysis but let's say that it's true okay so you get outside of your simulated Universe into what he calls base reality okay now what right was that one created too by whom right at some level you're going to get far enough out that you have to invoke a natural process and

that natural process is going to involve something without a Creator right there's no philosophical place even if we're inside something that was intentionally created that something is inside something that wasn't it has to be you eventually get out to that layer and at that point you know if there was a Creator you know there was a Creator an intelligent designer of this cup right what designed that Creator right darwinian selection right let's suppose that's not true let's Suppose that the creator of that cup is inside a simulator made by another Creator what made that Creator

darwinian Evolution well let's suppose that's not true you go one layer out eventually you're going to get to the place where you're going to have to surrender to the only thing anyone's ever come up with that could in principle create intelligent creatures and it doesn't have a Creator it's a darwinian Process all right all right there you go Tucker uh there's a lot there's a lot more to say to Tucker I would say oh yeah the the number of places you know the genomes of the creatures that we have did not have to tell an

elegant story of how they're related to each other right if a Creator had designed them he'd have no reason to make the philogyny fit an evolutionary story that fit the paleobiology right so the number of Confirmations that we have gotten is extraordinary and they're just not familiar but anyway there's there's a lot of power in the in the theory and don't fault the myopia of any generation of scientists the overall story is elegant and fascinating all right that's it bye everybody [Music]