it's very nice to have you guys here I think whoever enters there the information will be available for them how have you all been it's been some time that we don't talk to each other right hello Nancy hello how are you so nice to see you all so nice to see you as well thank you yes it's been some time that we don't talk right and they all like yeah I see Angela hi de la trues so nice to see the faces when we talk very nice to see you guys you know I really wanted
to catch up with you I'm just telling the news from my side I have been traveling a lot and with too many things too many commitments and and sessions and new things but all good news I think I'm also working to find someone an assistant to help me with editing videos and managing YouTube and the other platforms otherwise it takes time from me with something that doesn't have to be myself to do it someone else could do so I'm trying to to find somebody that can help me but if you guys know anyone who works
in this area you know like logical marketing or something like this you let me know so I'm looking for someone it's not easy right because not only the person has to know his or her own profession but they also need to understand a bit of what it is we are talking about here and that's not simple because even people who are into a lot of bad experience sometimes they want something you know that it's less deep less technical less explanation just given the technique and that's it and and give me a technique that takes me
out of the body okay or in a week it's what everybody wants right oh I would like that too but we know that it is a process and I have interesting news that I going to share with you via email well it's going to be coming up soon I'm really getting somebody to help another thing you probably saw is that I have recently been so it has been a very interesting experience and I have some new interviews and progress programs coming up so I'm very glad I see that it's very positive to all of us
allowing space for the discussion of the spiritual reality which I don't like very much calling spiritual just because it seems like separated from us right we are physical beings human beings physical world and there's the spirit world and I I see everything all together and I think it's a matter of us developing our capacities um understanding knowing that everything and every different dimension is here right now and we can access via our sensitivity by our psychic awareness and that's what we are going to try and do here I see Angela would like to say something
right Angela please go ahead thanks Nancy um I have a question uh and I hope you don't mind me asking because it's about a method of inducing uh the vibrational State um that was written by someone else and I've just finished uh reading a book by Robert Monroe and it was his first book where he described um his out-of-body experiences and he has in there a method that he used to induce vibrational State and it cons it was to me it was I had a difficult time visualizing it but if I understood it correctly it
had to do with visualizing two parallel lines of force that intersect at certain distance from your face or your eyes and then kind of moving that around I don't understand that method and and how does that method work and how is it different from say what we I've been listening to you and following you for a while now I'm going to Via the um the The Velo yes it's very it's very different the way it works we'll explain how that method works it never worked for me and other people that are colleagues and researchers at
the IEC have tried it didn't work for them either um but it can work I'm not saying it doesn't the the process of that or when we cross our eyes and we try and look inside or create a line all of that those are different methods to activate the pineal gland when we are about to leave the body or we are at the brink of having a vibrational State sometimes small things can produce the vibrational State when we are really like 98 is already there we only like the two percent sometimes just relaxing more can
bring the vibrational State something like this could for some people bring the vibration estate sometimes any emission of energy just like releasing a bit brings the vibration state so that's that method in the same book you are talking about his first book right Angela in the same book he talks about a different method to produce the vibrational State um in my book I have made a reference to that I even marked the page for the first I think it was the first edition and in that other method that he described he describes what we use
and now we call Value but it's not identical it's the same basis but it's not identical because he describes like the imagination of visualization of an energy flow up and down increasing until the vibration state is triggered so that is basically what have been used for so hundreds of years that we know of and in many different schools moving the energy inside so he used that too I guess his Logics in using that to produce the vibrational State and leave the body is because sometimes when we are about to detach there are some sometimes not
to everyone so don't you guys don't expect to that necessarily but be prepared and understand because there are cases in which the energies are flowing inside of our bodies and it flows with such intensity that it creates like currents like electrical currents and strong waves like old trucks around the body so I don't know if any of you ever felt that this is Pleasant because sometimes this waves comes and this is an indication that our strawberry and our energy bodies loosening up after that in some occasions the vibrational State comes so for him he wouldn't
do that to accelerate the vibration state also I guess because for him the vibration I say it was very common prior to detaching from the body which is not the case for everybody and then the the name a vibration state was coined by Robert Morrow that's another thing that I point in my book so actually I think that technique is more effective and what I did with all of those ear that I dedicated was to make that more how would I say assertive the results and go further than just at that moment reduce the vibration
State and leave the body so I do not know if I can comment on anything else so fellow is the derivation of that but not of that only because it gets the derivation of something else and something else and something else and then how is it what is the best way of doing that and that's what I tried to determine fellow and with time just sharing with all of you here I'm not directly related to the this connection from the body but with time it's been now eight years that I concluded my research and published
my first book which was in Portuguese I see so many more results positive benefits from fellow that I see you know that that is the tip of the iceberg and I see that sometimes when we move the energies like Robert Monroe used to sometimes it even block the disconnection if it's a little bit further ahead than one expect but for him he probably had experienced that so many times that he would feel like good um control the bright moment to move the energy the right moments to produce the vibrational state right that that's my best
of my knowledge here Angela don't know if it helps or if you yeah it does it does yeah I did try his method and it gave me a headache so I don't think oh yeah try it again that is a method that you know because we force our ocular muscles in ways that it's not normal so whenever we do something like this and even when people do well I say don't keep looking up and down a lot because it's bad or it's going to disturb but we may end up you know having a little of
a headache because of the stress of the muscles but this crossing the eyes sometimes it can be hard for some people okay Angela thanks for sharing for being here wonderful which was the second one right and Trevor also wants to ask a question Trevor let me see if I managed to raise the hand here for you just so I don't miss you but my mouth is all crazy I don't know what's happening everything is crazy here my computer goodness I'll try to memorize you Trevor otherwise you open your microphone and shut so I have Patricia
Demetrius Mike hi Mike and Andre and then forever but yes Patricia please oh yes hi hello um I did the energy exercise last time and as I Was preparing for it I didn't do it live I couldn't attend but I knew that night that the night after I wanted to do it and then the half an hour before I started having a lot of like I don't know spiritual experiences like smells half an hour before you started the exercise yeah when I decided okay I'm gonna do Nancy's exercise tonight then that started like smells and
I could feel presents around me and then when I um started the exercise I felt and you write in the book that you can feel like pins and needles on your skin and I tried this many times also in deep meditation so it starts like one area and then it spreads all over my face and I used to think it was like a kiss of an angel or something like that started here in spread that is during meditation right or you had that doing well as well but then it happened during the the energy exercise
as well it was a little bit distracting because I was like what is this actually [Music] um but yeah it's it's not uncomfortable but it feels like a burning sensation but it doesn't really burn it's hard to just I I understand what you mean in the sensation in itself can just be a little activation or maybe you're more sensitive in that area you have been you have trained yourself to sense that because you have felt that a few times that is not for me what causes more my attention hear what makes me want to understand
what is behind it is why you started feeling presences when you framed to do the exercise that is something that we need to research I say we but I miss you Angela I used to say to people when they are with me like in a one-on-one session I always say you eat because at this moment I forget everything and I put myself in your place but we mean you you need to research what's going on because somebody who is used to meditate we already created some ways of connecting with the energy energetic environment around the
class and what does that mean it means that we may have raised our sensitivity in some cases some of us others of us we may be more prone maybe to some Clairvoyance or sensing energies in different parts or just sensing floating all of these it has a consequence because when we meditate we are trying each meditation has a different purpose but let's say you meditate with the goal of being more in tune with the whole universe around of you and that includes the energetic environment and the non-physical environment in our place there hope connection with
you um that's close to you during the hours you were asleep who has been once in a while who is not a one person is type of Spirit you see what I mean Patricia and they help but always well what what does their presence cause it's like when we have a relative living with us can be nice we can have dinner together there are moments that are neither moms so nice there are moms that end up influencing us and giving an opinion that we end up following and later on would be better that we didn't
this is normal but we have also our companions in the no physical level when in a way you tell me that even before you could feel that something was closer there it makes me infer from this brief description and of course we would need a deeper examination but it makes me infer that there are some connections and your data connections with spirits around that they establish pretty much automatically only by you thinking I'm going to meditate at 6am so you wake up and you are ready a little bit without feeling so you have to see
who why and the other thing I wanted to mention to you Patricia is that when you develop the whole purpose is at this moment I'm not connecting with anyone oh what if it's a lovely spirit guide perfect he or she will nicely wait for me while I do my training my exercise and I experiment on how to be more in control more Lucid with more capacity one allies discern judge what's going on so any Spirit Mentor will give you space for this but sometimes it's not that there is someone there necessarily it's just that the
environment starts changing and if you pick that up that easily the best is that new observe that for sure you are not connecting with anything beforehand otherwise your value maybe you are moving the energy as I explained but may not be a hundred percent you with yourself only I do not know if I could explain that Patricia because there is a complex complex then I would need a lot more information to come to a conclusion with you I'm going to share with you guys a situation of somebody that I have been working with for the
past one year and a half but we see each other like once per month and this guy has developed so much so much energetically speaking got rid of so many intrusions but when I was in Brazil in February I met him personally for the first time in person and when I went to sense his energy oh he was so open energetically so open I think he is the most medium person I have ever seen in my life so of course for someone like this it's a huge struggle because we are perceiving things that we do
not know if it's us or not and how to separate and he had been doing Velo a lot and that's what basically saved him from a very hard situation he was in I think in terms of a spiritual intrusion so he made he he progressed so much but when I checked his value that's the reason why I'm bringing here to illustrate what I'm trying to say when he did value and I was checking his value pretty much he would work with energy and try to put his attention outside what's going on here outside is there
anyone here outside you know when you the attention is kind of divided it's not that he was not doing with attention is that he was all the time trying to assess what was around why because for him that is what he has been sensing this very very early age presence people maybe his senses what is around as clear he doesn't see but his sense there's clearly as sense in the physical world so I had to train him to consider that during Velo the whole process of value is we with our energy worked only inside of
us concentrated only on our energy that is powerful moment to be in contact with our chakras and find out what is there underneath in the root of the chakras think of that because the last exercise I did was pretty much value right that I did online so that is something that would be helpful if you could think less next time now I'm going there I think you have your mic open and we hear you typing I don't understand so if you just put on mute please is that okay Patricia does that give you some tip
because that is the only thing there from what you are saying that calls my attention yeah and yes very much thank you it is when I do when I want to do the bellow something approaches me or oh you see inside yeah so I am very attentive to like stay away stay away yeah and yeah so you you know what you do okay you can be whatever you want but right now it's me my energy and I'm not even going to pay attention to you that's what you have to do because that's what we'll guarantee
you a good self-defense later on after that value you are going to consider is there something that is around must know why you do I want do I want to change this type of relationship and then you will apply your energy to change this that is a different process but without you having control of your energy it's hard to do that so that's why value is is not a prerequisite but it's like a safety mechanism you know like a safety net could you follow me Patricia I have somebody working with me to help me organize
this course that I have been promising you guys for so long um that is the force field if you can join that there is a part of it that we are going to hold some experiences but if you have a chance of doing it and that is going to make a huge difference for you you probably are very sensitive as well and maybe even afraid once in a while because it says so much right yeah yeah I'm looking forward to that course thank you Nancy you're very welcome but thank you Angela for putting there the
acronym of well of course I'm so used to say well and people ask me Willow or Velo it depends on your country in the U.S people say Willow which we find nice but I guess because of my lacking rules I kind of like doing them when I got used to it but okay Patricia if you could help me lowering the hand there please Patricia thank you and Demetrius you were next yes uh hello Nancy it's so great to see you and thank you for facilitating the zoom call it's so nice to see you and everyone
else on this call I see some familiar faces um I have a statement and then I have a question for you my my statement uh and you are somewhat familiar with my energy practices over the last couple of years uh is that The Velo has been transformative for me not even necessarily in regards to the vibrational state but in terms of mood stabilization uh in terms of my I have some autoimmune issues that I'm dealing with and it helps unblock digestion blockages if I do 20 minutes of Velo uh it helps me uh sometimes I
have an irregular heartbeat and if I if I work the Velo or do some kind of energy emission or absorption it is amazing in being able to stabilize my body in that way and I am just so grateful that I have been able to learn this technique from you and in in Wagner and of course the rest of the iact in regards to your question I have tried the uh guided session that you posted a couple of weeks ago and I would say for me personally I found it less successful than the guided session that
you had for us back and I think it was January of this year that one for whatever reason the sequence of those steps um I I seem to be able to better handle them and keep a fix on my energy where it is in my body but I I always have this problem and either I allow myself to get too relaxed and I fall asleep or if I am able to keep myself away and this is doing it multiple times throughout the day not just at night time um you I think we discussed two or
three in the morning is like an optimal time to try to leave the body um but if I don't fall asleep and I've seen myself through the the entire session I will reach maybe some lower level of the vibrational state but my body seems to tense up in the process and it's like it almost goes the opposite direction so either I get too relaxed and I fall asleep or I get too tense and I feel something but it doesn't help me to to really fully reach the vibrational State and um in regards to your conversation
just now with Patricia uh I also have been able to reach in my opinion a much clearer higher level of the vibrational stay perhaps 40 60 just in deep meditation right certainly over a longer period of time but in deep meditation I'm not necessarily focusing on manipulating and moving the energies in my body and that frees up I guess the muscles to not have to tense for whatever reason that they do so my my question is how what what position laying down or standing or at an angle could I be able to better access the
vibrational State using The Velo use it or Velo excuse me uh or you know emission or absorption um what what are your thoughts on that um there are a couple of things that I wanted to mention about that um we of course we do our Velo technique or meditation or even the different techniques because we would like to produce a vibrational State most of the times because that would facilitate leaving the body so the results of vibration estate and value they are different value is an excellent method to produce vibration state I'm just you'll see
where I'm getting at um Dimitrius so value is an excellent method to get the vibration estate because it starts organizing the alignment of our chakras the flow of energy from one to another and touching deep areas inside of us where we may have energetic Pockets sort of thing so it brings us closer to the vibrational State and it may be easier then to sense it even spontaneously now when we have a vibration mistake there is a activation that if it's a very very strong vibration estate it will last with us the result let's say for
one day two days if we are doing a deep value the results can be slightly different but I think some of them they are even permanent they are they stay there for good now when you try and do Velo or in exercise at the moment that you are already relaxed and aiming at leaving the body and that's what you were talking about I understood you correctly write the materials yes I think that there are sometimes moments in which we do it and we do it in ways that instead of favoring the process that was going
on we end up interfering with the process it's not that it's going to be detrimental it's going that that will interfere so of course there you are and you do a value and then you feel like okay I test my body it takes me then much longer to be relaxed enough and to be in the right condition but if I had to pick from one or the other I would say allow it to be and and then wait until this effect starts evading you know a lot about energy and we have done some things together
you know what you could do Demetrius in that moment so let's say you got to activate it your body got more agitated what if in your case let me for everyone else but what if in your case you just then relax and concentrate on creating like a bubble of energy around yourself which thing that I practice in some exercises is because um what to do when there is a lot from person to person but you could try and emit energy gently it's not any mission that you are posting or like we are going to learn
to do there with the force field course it's just gently knitting and you spend there like an hour supporting me notes just gently rotational patching no forcing no just so remember correct you had a good emission of energy am I remembering corrected matters yes yes so imagine you do that what is going to happen you already reorganized and maybe even loosen up some of the energetic connections however your physical body gets it up unconsciously even maybe and then you are too much connected to the body but then if you use the results you got with
fellow that specific session you are already lying down you are ready relaxed not as much as you should be as you said but you're already there relaxed what if in that moment you just start loosening your energy but with even thinking of it just a bit gently nice is almost as if you would expand yourself meeting in a relaxed way but really emitting energy that is going to create two very specific results there number one will give you time to relax number two you will start preparing the energy of your room even more but number
three actually I'm going to add maybe the most important thing here you are going to get rid of any excess of energy there that could be bringing you too much attention to this process so you go you see you are releasing you are getting lighter in a way in terms of your energetic interface and you keep doing and you in a way that in itself is a technique to leave the body because all of a sudden your attention is more on the outside than what's going on here because that's another issue with value when it
comes to use it as a technical in the body it works but not for everybody not every time that's why the best is we practice during the day create the proper conditions the best I mean to be more Universal but we can definitely do at the moment of we lie down but that's another thing because Velo we are working in energy with an energy that is aligned with our body so unavoidably in terms of reference we bring our reference to here right to the position where our body is and when we are emitting we are
doing the opposite we are loosening losing I'm sorry we are losing the identity of the space I mean physical space where our body is so that will work let's try that and then you tell me how it went but what you described that's what it is and then how to go around this that is what we have to see in this case thank you Nancy you're very welcome you tell me then how it works okay Dimitris great great when you guys give me a moment I'm going to get a glass of water I forgot to
prepare it before yes will be really just a second thank you dimitrios that helped me too uh your walk sorry who who said that oh Dale you're very welcome um it's it is a wonderful technique and I've spoke with Nancy about this in the past um sometimes there is a delicate balance I've come to find with not like especially tensing up this part of my body like my my my eyes my thank you
