Atlantis, Hall of Records & Origin of Moundwerks - Drs Lora & Greg Little

[Music] welcome to earth keep the Stargate videos the following interview with dr. Laura little and dr. Greg little is quite interesting covering a variety of truly fascinating topics discussion areas include the Edgar Cayce readings regarding Atlantis the whole of records on the origin and geometry of Native American mounds James dropper on earth keeper is the interview host enjoy and The must a welcome everyone my name is James Tiburon and you're listening to earth keeper Stargate audio I'm very excited today I've been waiting a long time in fact to meet and to interview these two amazing

people that have kindly agreed to be a part of our program today and that is dr. Laura little and dr. Gregory L little dr. Lord little is a prolific writer researcher and speaker and she and her husband Greg or two of the world's leading expert on Atlantis and the legendary Atlantean Hall of Records Laura has been drawn to the extraordinary myths and stories of Atlantis since childhood she is an honored and certified professional psychotherapist and has pursued ancient mysteries with great passion and brilliant academic focus she is the author and co-author of numerous brilliantly collated

books and articles on the search for his lantus as well as the lost Hall of Records that the Acclaimed psychic Edgar Cayce described in trance readings Greg little is a certified doctor of psychology and practicing psychologists he is now turned Explorer author speaker researcher and respected documentary film maker so we welcome today dr. Laura and dr. Gregg little can you hear me yes hello James hello having us so thank you thank you for that introduction you you read it really well exactly as we wrote it actually I don't think we wrote that But that sounds

really good well thank you very much for being here as I mentioned I've been really excited about the two of you coming to our event in Arkansas and just before we begin I'd like to mention to everyone that we are sponsoring a four-day event in Arkansas and the law Rock Arkansas my hometown November 17th through 20th we have over 500 registered and we still out at 625 we have an absolutely stellar lineup of speakers Including doctors Laura and Greg little david childress who is the voice of ancient aliens my mentor John van Owen who is

the director of the Edgar Cayce foundation and we also have the amazing Graham Hancock and Stanton Friedman so it's going to be a wonderful event we still have spaces available if you would be interested in attending you can register on our website wwlp.com okay so Laura I'd like to bring the first question to you and basically I'd Like to ask you to share a little bit of information about your work with the Edgar Cayce organization the Association for research and enlightenment okay well I've been really privileged to work as a volunteer first of all at

the local level as well as in the tenth date South East region as of three years ago I was asked to serve on the board of trustees it's a five-year term so I'm almost ending my term I discovered the aggregated Material by reading the book there is a river that actually Greg kept telling me I needed to read and I had so much other stuff going on in school that I thought I can't read anything else for pleasure but but one night he left the book on the bed he was working nights I was working

days and he left the book open he was rereading it and I thought I want to read something real quick so that I can notice Lee and that was a big mistake because I too am still sits with The book down it just was a major consciousness shift for me I had read about reincarnation read about paranormal ideas had read about Atlantis since I was a young person but had not run into the KC story and it just blew me away and the next thing I wanted to do was find out what was going on

it is at the a re which is the organization that provides access to the Edgar Cayce material and it's located in Virginia Beach Virginia and it was probably a Year later that Greg and I made a trek up there to take a look at it and a couple more years later I went to my first conference and then about ten years later got involved in a conference locally that was done by some volunteers in Memphis we have a really active volunteer group here that does programs with the aggregated material and I joined an Edgar Cayce

search for God's study group that some of those folks had put together and I've been in it now for 27 years it's an absolutely amazing organization and in my opinion the Edgar Cayce foundation and the Association for research and enlightenment is the most important spiritual / metaphysical or on the planet Kasey's readings are so credible and he lived such a impressive life of integrity that that played a major role in my joining the a re and becoming a big supporter of the a re because it changed my life and like your story Laura I was

actually working as a Geologist on the banks of the Amazon River in 1978 and I was the only American on the site we were actually drilling to map potassium chloride deposit for the Ministry of minerals in Brazil and a German man gave me a copy in fact he gave me a stack of about 10 books to read while I was on the job site most of the books he gave me were Louis L'Amour westerns which were pretty popular those days on the work locations but one of the books was there is a River and I

read it from cover to cover and it changed my life so I'm I'm with you on the amazing influence of that book so thank you for sharing that I would also like to mention briefly that at our event in Arkansas we are going to conduct a membership drive for the a re we will be speaking about the benefits of the memberships will also have drawings for those that join we will be offering a genuine five oval crystal in the drawings so we are hoping to get a Lot of signups and sign up renewals for the

a re and so Greg I'd like you to just share a little bit about the work that you do in Memphis professionally and the work that you have done regarding Atlantis and your fascinating the fascinating new book on Native American mounds well what I do professionally I actually specialize in criminal treatment and I've done that for since the 1970s and start and oh the the middle 1980s along with Some other people we developed some treatment programs cognitive behavioral programs that are that have since expanded and we're in nine different countries all 50 states and we've

probably had roughly three million inmates and offenders go through our programs around the world and now it's about three to four hundred thousand a year ago through it so but basically that's what I do professionally I write treatment work books and then I also Write a lot of books in archaeology and mounds and generate a lot of articles and lore and I got into this exploration back around 2001 I believe and really it wasn't the interest in the exploration started with fellow I know you had last year at a conference Andrew Collins and it was

a follow-up to 1970s work that was done by some Airy members to try and find some things in the Bahamas and initially we never really intended to get into this Atlantis research per se We were looking for some very specific things but his fate often has it we got sort of drawn into this search for Atlantis project which all in all Laura I'll let Laura describe most of that but we made 25 separate trips into the Bahamas also into wata mala looking for Cayce saw love records that I know you'll talk about in a few

minutes but I'm not also very interested in Native American Indian mounds Native American rituals the crystals I'm definitely Interested in that and would love to talk about crystals and earth and so on and what Native Americans believed but that's kind of a sort of a summary I've written a whole lot of material and a lot of books well you are both certainly Renaissance people multi-talented multitasking I imagine your hours or are numbered every day with so much to do and I really want to honor you for the body of work that you have both done

both with the a re and in Your professional eyes it truly is impressive and Lord the does want one other thing you do an amazing job to what you put together is absolutely amazing these seminars and weekend long workshops you do are just amazing and I have heard from people that have been to them and they are just overwhelmed with all the information and the people that they get to meet so I would encourage anybody out there listening or anybody that listens in the future go to one of This man's workshops it's incredible what you

do well thank you so much i genuinely appreciate that I'm touched thank you so very much and are our golden earth keeper has always been to combine this spiritual with the scientific and you know so often the spiritual omits the scientific and the scientific amidst the divine and so by bringing those two into a full circle we feel like we're completing the goals in a sense or the intense in a sense the Degra Pacey put forward in his 14,000 readings about the the true nature of reality and the combination of the sacred scientific with the

with the divine and so it's it's really been our mission to bring in people to these events that are alternative history researchers such as Graham Hancock and David had through Childress as well as John Ben Aachen and all of the others from the re we were very blessed to have Charles Thomas Casey speak at our event In Colorado a couple of years ago and just an amazing group da re and as I have mentioned the a re is in my opinion the most credible spiritual metaphysical organization on the planet and it really is modern it

is there is incredible scientific data Greg I've heard your interview use that you have done on the internet ones with George Noory and others and you have spoken quite a bit about the life of Edgar Cayce and you had Information that I wasn't familiar with and so I applaud the two of you Laura and Greg for the work that you do with the a re as well so Laura would you tell us a little bit about the Hall of Records okay the Cayce material gives an incredibly detailed story about Atlantis that you won't get anywhere

else and one of the most fascinating things is what he talked about as Hall of Records and these are records that the Atlanteans left behind now you lots of people including Plato have written about Atlantis but oftentimes the clues that they give us are hard to follow up on in Casey's particular body of information what's really exciting is that the Hall of Records are something we can follow up on it gives us quite a bit of detailed information and for example he says that there were three sets of Records and there's one near the right

paw of the sink and if we assume Underground there's one somewhere in the Yucatan and it very likely could be near the classic Mayan site of Piedras Negras Guatemala and third one he says is in the area of Bimini under the sea under the slime of the sea of Ages so it's it's probably covered by coral which is the expected but he also says that portions of it would rise again in 67 or 68 69 so some people think it could be near Bimini in the Bahamas where the Bimini Road was discovered we've Actually spent

most of our time working with the Guatemala site and at Bimini Bimini more than anything in the Bahamas we've done surveys of the Great Bahama Bank we've done a lot of analysis around Bimini and around Andros there's a almost duplicate set of stones to the Bimini Road near Andros that we named the Andros platform that we sort of found by accident thanks to a salvage yard and dive operator in the area we've done aerial Surveys of the Great Bahama Bank looking for anything that might be a sign of a building underwater building one of the

things that the Cayce readings is real specific about is that there were three major destructions of atlantis and he gets one of them in 50,000 BC another one in anywhere 422 to 28,000 he's a little bit uncertain between those two dates and the final one was around 10,000 BC which is of course 12,000 years ago Mm-hm and so this thing we're looking for is going to be very very very old and it's more than likely going to be underwater see if you look at the Great Bahama Bank and the Bimini Islands around Nassau and Freeport

and Andros if you look at them on on Google Earth you can see that the Great Bahama Bank is is fairly shallow it's only about 15 feet deep and in 10,000 BC it would have all been above water well so we're interested to see if we can find any Building remains on the Great Bahama Bank and we spent several years and several of our expeditions doing flyovers getting GPS and then chartering boats and going from site to site trying to locate and then dive on each of those site well as we speak to dear friends

of ours Mary Pat and fred fuchs who you may have met are actually in malta they're tuning in to this interview to listen to you tonight and fred fuchs is putting Together a documentary about atlantis from the best that i can surmise and I'm and I'd like your opinion and were Egypt Greece and the areas in the Mediterranean colonies of Atlantis or part of Atlantis well here's the interesting thing that a lot of people don't get to in the Cayce readings even as far back as 50,000 BC when they described the destruction that occurred at

that time it occurred because they were trying to rid the earth of some Sort of large animals that were causing problems and they got together a group of leaders from multiple countries China India South America there were there were already civilizations other than Atlantis they got together they discussed things they made a plan and of course they made a mistake and how they tried to to go about getting rid of these animals and it created some sort of catastrophe that broke up whatever continent was of Atlantis into Smaller islands and that happened again in 28,000

BC so I would what we find from the Cayce life readings is that there were people in Egypt from Atlantis that in fact he says that at least the planning of the building of the Great Pyramid was done by Atlanteans because they were the expert builders that was one of their specialties they had that particular knowledge so to say that Atlantis was the only thing there is not true there are other there were other Civilizations now he talks about migrations of Atlanteans in all three of those destructions a great deal of them went to South

America which is extremely interesting as Greg may discuss that's we're beginning to find some of the oldest mounds and some of the oldest settlements now pyramids and so forth in South America and that would certainly fit with Casey's migration stories so yes they were probably in Greece they certainly were in the Pyrenees they were And there's some feeling that probably the fact that the basket lengths just so different from the indo-european languages that it very well could have had some roots in something from Atlantis he also identified a Somerset area of England which is the

area where Stonehenge is they don't date stonehenge back as far as 10,000 BC but they're beginning to move some of those dates back so what what you get in Casey story is a very active world you get cultures That had reached a much higher level of civilization than we give them credit for you know we like to think that that we're the peak of civilization but it looks like it's more like peaks and valleys over hundreds of thousands of years actually in the Casey story so there were people in China there were people in India

there were people in South America in some parts of North America in the in Europe and in in the Middle East and also Africa talks about Morocco and some of those areas so there's just a lot more we don't have scientific evidence for it yes the work that you and Greg have done towards exploring locations for the Hall of Records is fast truly truly fascinating and I'm really looking forward to hearing you speak in Arkansas and what are their are their Cayce readings that speaks about what can be found in these three halls of records

and are all three containing the Same material or different variations and different timelines what what can we surmise from the Cayce readings is to be found in the Hall of Records so he gives a fairly long list and it's not really clear if they're all three going to be exactly the same but the most interesting thing to be found in all three is a set of 32 tablets and he's very specific that they're they're carved in a particular language and even says that it's probably going to Take a while for the people who find them

to be able to translate the the language and it may be that there'll be something found in in Egypt for example that helps relate just like the rosetta stone right helps relate Egyptian hieroglyphs but at first they won't know what it is but that bill contains the history of Atlantis these 32 tablets are made out of stone engraved in stone it that's the way he describes it yes he also says there are mummies there's There are some of their artifacts from a time musical instruments food linens silks different things that from their time now whether

those things will survive we don't know because we don't know exactly how these were put together but the stone tablets of course would be something that would be able to last so that's that's what everybody's hoping for well Greg mentioned earlier an interest in crystals and as a geologist I and as a native of Arkansas I grew up Around crystals and a lot of the crystal mines in Arkansas back in the 70s when I was spending a lot of time in the hot springs area we're actually selling part of the crystals to be used in

the computer industry you know quartz is silicon dioxide and you know we think of Silicon Valley and the chips that are being made and I wonder and it's interesting that Cayce refers to the great - Wow a stone as a stone and in several of his readings he refers to Crystals as stones and I was wondering if the Atlanteans have as I believe this highly advanced technology might it also be possible that they would record some of these records on a silicon chip of some sort perhaps even a crystal certainly could be it's not it's

not particularly laid out in the Cayce readings that that's nice but who knows what might be if it if they are stones and if they were to be crystal stones there might be more involved than just What's recarved on them and maybe the time will be right that's one of the things that the readings are real clear about that these halls of records will not be opened until the time is right in man's evolution so maybe we have to evolve to the point where we even understand that a crystal might have more information in it

or a stone might have more information in it than what's carved on the outside and at last I'm Casey made his readings no one would Have understood that information could be encoded in crystalline structure nobody would have understood that at the time and what you're saying there James is is probably very intriguing it's very interesting crystals of course hold tremendous amounts of energy in the Native Americans held them in very high regard because they were considered the most condensed form of spirit possible but earth was the most primordial but the crystals were the most condensed

Form and of course they used them in rituals even Shaymin used them very often I made try to demonstrate one of the uses at your conference if we can get all the lights out but I'm not sure you'll be able to get the emergency lights out but I think that's a really interesting idea that they could have encoded a lot of information in crystal weed right you know recently like two years ago hewlett-packard came out with What they called the super memory chip and they had they took quartz and modified it slightly and the publication

that was released stated that this super quartz had the ability to store this incredible amount of data just an enormous amount of data they said it can take the entire history of the world and everything and stored in this one chip and that this chip would outlast humanity that these chips retain that data for over a million Years according to the articles so that I'm familiar with that I kept up with that when it came out and it was actually amazing and of course the development of the cloud which is misunderstood by a lot of

people but the development of that kind of put this keeping everything at home say on a crystal and sort of hard drive kind of fell by the wayside with the cloud but of course the cloud is also a way where someone else controls all your Information mm-hmm yeah yeah but certainly fascinating and you know I was curious when the crystal skull phenomenon was coming out pre-2012 the idea of the Atlantean 13 skulls and and I had the opportunity to meet Joanne parks and Michelle no siree no and Michelle is the daughter of the father of

the Crystal Skull movement Nick missery no and I wondered if perhaps the idea of the crystal skulls and I had a discussion with John been talking about This if these were perhaps computers if these were capable of projecting images projecting data in it's fascinating I've had some very interesting experiences with both Max and Shawn are on certainly course with all over there all the attributes of piezoelectricity pi0 luminescence quartz is an incredible mineral and it does store data it does transmit and project and so it would be an interesting possibility if some of these ancient

crystal skulls are Actually programmed computers it's it's a possibility I mean it is it's an interesting possibility I don't think Casey mentioned the crystal skulls I think Laura would get more about that yeah I do but I don't think he ever talked about no not not to my knowledge a buddy you know did talk a lot about the Firestone or the Tally's right right use both terms for it and it was a powerful stone it was you know as though You know initially as a way to communicate with the angels with the stay in touch

with their spiritual source and that's a fascinating idea I mean the idea that crystals can be used to I think he said communicate with the infinite and that's a that's a intriguing idea and something that I'd like to speak a little bit about in Arkansas as well with crystals and I'd like to show you some of these five oval crystals that I work with they're really Really interesting and dr. Marcel Vogel developed those he's he passed away a few years ago but he was the leading inventor at IBM for a number of years and he

developed the liquid screen but he was a fascinating christologies as well and did a lot of work with files for healing and for work with plants and he actually was the first one to speak about structured water it was not dr. komoti uh is a Kimoto the doctor the Japanese doctor that would program water And but Vogel was actually the first one to do that so the two of you made in a fascinating trip to Guatemala and I watched your video and my gosh that was quite a trick and you had to do with the

heat the mosquitoes of the lack of fresh water how many trips did you make to Guatemala to pedras Negros just one and that was about it was it doubtful actually I was I felt like I was in heaven because I had studied the field notes from the 1930s that the University of Pennsylvania which is actually referenced in the the Cayce readings and look through every artifact I didn't get to see the artifacts themselves but all of the reports about the artifacts what they had handwritten have the pencil copies and has where the little gloves and

all and just poured over all of it so by the time we got to the site I knew the names of the various areas and it was it was like seeing Something that you had traveled to in your head and to get to see it on on land was just absolutely amazing and wonderful one of the issues with Guatemala is that that this particular site is on the use of the Cinque Terre River in Guatemala which is a border between Mexico and Guatemala and we saw it as we were there every day there was a

boatload of people at the same time or several boat loads goin by up and I could go one way and be full of people It come back the other way and it'd be empty just most of the people had backpacks and most of them were young men and you know we suddenly realized this was the immigration issues acero mm but there's also a lot of drug smuggling that goes through there and my understanding is that it's got to be less and less safe ferry wasn't safe when we went but they did have guards that escorted

you around the site so it's a really dangerous place but it's Kind of hard to find to actually dig and find anything also because you need to have archaeological credentials to really do any kind of digging but what what was most fascinating to us while we were there the place of course is just hot as it can be and you feel like you're in a sauna the whole time you're there and what's funny is that they had sweat baths all over the place that's one of the things tonight the classic Mayan site is known for

they had some of Those and I'm thinking why in the world did they need them it's that way already but one of the guards showed us where those the last archaeological folks had been digging under one of the pyramid and there was rubble hadn't fallen and they couldn't really tunnel under it completely and they said put your hand in there where the little opening was and when you put your hand and nothing but cold air well so you Knew that there was some kind of cavern under there just as the archeologists knew as well so

that's probably below one of those areas is probably the location of the Hall of Records but how to get to it if even the archaeologists are having trouble fascinating that issue so I actually had the opportunity to spend some time with the head of the 84 Mayan nations that his name was Don Alejandro and I met him actually in Peru and an eagle in Condor conference about Ten years ago and I lived in South America nine years so I speak Spanish and Portuguese and I was able to have some fascinating conversations with him in fact

he actually gave me a reading an amazing man but he told me that his parents had access to caves in Guatemala in which they encountered the an ancient race of people who he said had bluish green skin so that's a it's an interesting area and I want to say two things about our trip the Piedras Negras Number one we stayed we had to sleep and what was essentially a pup tent that was put on a sandy bank of the assumed Ascenta River and if you walked out of the pup tent and looked around on the

bank banks of the river there are these huge stones and there are freshwater crocodiles there so we could see them and you wonder about that while you're there it's like what in the world there are so many other things I could say about it actually got dehydrated there And within it was I believe six weeks after we left it made it made international news that a group of drug runners had taken over Piedras Negras and actually installed machine guns in some of the temples at the top of the hill Wow that they had taken it

over and Adam military went in and they had several battles and the the people who took us in sent me an email and told me that they had driven off the the drug runners But that's all that's all so the main portal for cocaine to move into the states well yeah that's a shame which you know I would I would really love to take a tour group into Mexico and I've been looking for an opening for the past few years to to visit a lot of the pyramids along the Yucatan and you know with the

with the danger that's there now I just don't think it's the right time but and it's a shame because it's a fascinating fascinating area and before No years ago I did make trips there and went to Chichen Itza and Palenque and they're absolutely amazing places in Lincoln's only about 30 miles away from Piedras Negras but it might as well be a thousand miles yeah yeah yeah absolutely and Lauren did you say that there were sweat lodges that there were sauna low wet bath they called them then and they found them all through the the Classic

Maya era in a lot of the sites but apparently pH snipers had an unusually Large number of them and some that we are really well preserved but they seem to have an unusual number of them you know it seems an egg lotion now they're not they're square buildings but they're fairly small and you know that you could they could tell there was a place where they had the fire and brought the water in and and they were doing steam baths and very likely could have been for ceremonial purposes to I don't think they understand the

full use of it they Certainly didn't need to do it because it's already has plenty of reasons to sweat it's a very humid area so we'll be well these sweat lodges you know are called purification ceremonies and orany fees in that and Ryan Native Americans and I've done quite a few sweat lodges and some of the ones I actually did a five-day Vision Quest in Mexico on a yaki reservation a few years ago and they actually completed the sweat lodge but some of the some of The ones that they had is part of their ceremony

throughout Mexico in fact not just the yaki but the Toltecs and some of the others are built like igloo and whereas you know the Native Americans use skins and tar polios etc but you know I I've been a really focused user of saunas for 40 years I've probably had a sauna bath the dry sauna everyday of my life in the last 40 years I have one in my home and doing sweat lodges or you know it's a really powerful experience It can give you a altered the altered state of consciousness and of course you know

you sweat out all the impurities so it's it's quite an interesting spiritual experience in that way and very likely you're right because if you look at the my in our I cannot Rafi they obviously did a lot of hallucinatory ceremonies you don't see it in the in the drawings and what we know of the hieroglyphs what's been told to us and one of the interesting things about Piedras Negras You know this is the Classic Maya site what you see you with the temples and what still remaining is really isn't any older than maybe 500 BC

so it's obviously not what would have been there when the Atlanteans were there but the then the name Piedras Negras just means black rocks and that right we're not some of the rocks there are darker in color than in other places but the original Mayan name for the kite is really intriguing it's yoki B which Means interest hmm and so you wonder what's it an entrance to yeah you know it's just one of many classic Mayan sites along the river there's nothing geographically that you could say this is an entrance to a particular area or

a change of some sort they do have it is a location that the largest cenote in all of the Yucatan and we threw rocks down in the cenote while we were there but it's one of the Deepest and there have been some researchers Mayan researchers who have discovered that most of these classic Maya sites have a caves underneath them maybe it were built on caves or they tunneled underneath and sometimes where the theory is that the priests could then move from one pyramid to another without the people seeing them and do their ceremonies and look

maybe look more magical but it also may be that those Were sacred sites because we also know that as each era switched over that they built pyramids always on top of previous pyramids that that's a sacred ground or they would build the Pyramid there so what was the original sacred ground was it possibly these underground tunnels and maybe that's what the word where the word entrance gets to and maybe it's an inference to the whole records don't know that but it makes you wonder well you know it opens the idea and the the Curiosities about

the underground earth theories about the underground tunnels and I recently earlier this year did a a re conference in Pennsylvania where I spoke about Atlantis and when I was researching that I came across an interesting case II read where he talked about someone who had been one of the keepers of the elevator systems that went into the underground and so that was the first and I've got that reading the referenced but that was one of the First and perhaps the only reference he made to you know the underground regions of the earth being inhabited and

occupied and I was recently in Peru in Cusco which is the capital of the Inca Empire the ancient Inca Empire and and also you know theorized to have been there far before on before the the Incas with the worries and the other groups but there is a a great legend of underground tunnels in cusco with with some sites that actually have mimics And there are ideas that this connects into other parts of the world and certainly you have that classic limestone formation like you have in the Yucatan that does you know dissolve and create these

underground rivers and streams and cenotes but it's a fascinating concept the the idea of a vent or tunnels etc and Casey does seem to indicate that the Atlanteans did have the technology to tunnel underground and stored some of the energy masses with Gases which was probably probably would have been in salt domes but also as a power source the compression of gases well he certainly identifies them as great builders they were the experts with any any sort of building technology so that certainly would fit and then if you consider the most recent I guess it

we could go on ancient aliens they highlighted similar underground rooms and complexes in Turkey yeah so I'm gonna like that maybe I saw that program Just a few dots ago and that's an excellent series by the way I really love I love watching that so Greg you have recently relatively recently come up with some fascinating information in the Illustrated encyclopedia of Native American Indian mounds and earthworks before that that both you and Laura worked with John been talkin on the book of mound builders and Greg your book passes Souls is absolutely fascinating as well how

did you get interested in The Native American mounds and cultures was it through Casey no it was through a series of dreams that's really the truth I had finished my what I'll call my first book in it was around 1983 when I had finished it and of course back in those days you would mail manuscripts off and you'd wait for publishers to answer so in the interim while I was awaiting publication of that first book I had a series of dreams for as best as I recall it roughly ten Nights in a row and Laura

was involved in all this too but in in essence in my dreams and these came out of literally nowhere I was standing on an Indian Mound and I took a picture in the dream this isn't a dream I'm on a man I take a picture and then I'm on another Mound then I take another picture and I'm on another man and I take a picture and this went on all night long night after night after night for roughly ten nights in a row and it was it was strange Because and this is an accurate statement

everything I knew about Indian nouns critten on the back of a postage stamp I don't know if any of your listeners know what a postage stamp is but it's a very very small piece of paper and I didn't know anything nothing was taught about Indian mounds in history very little history of anything Native American was taught I don't really recall anything in high school or in college or even taking anthropology Anything on so this came out of nowhere and Laura and I had I simply call sort of a vision of a spider and we went

to a mound site in Memphis and saw this spider and I suddenly knew what I needed to do was to go to every possible Indian Mound site and try to document what was left of them take a picture of them write down the details and so on so that started in 1983 approximately which was insane because I had no idea how many there were I had no idea of the history Or how much work it was going to be and it's been a project that has gone on since then we've taken every real opportunity we

could to go to every site wherever we were wherever we travel and we did a lot of traveling for about a 10-year period virtually every week so we accumulated thousands and thousands of photographs and went to literally thousands of sites that encyclopedia you mentioned the new version of it the 2000 sixteen version the second edition has Roughly three thousand mound sites in it but that was the project there were probably a million mounds at one time there's probably a hundred thousand of them existing today and most people simply think of them this small conical heaps

of Earth that have a burial in them and that's true in some cases but that's not the whole story and that got me into wondering what in the world were these people doing with some of the mound sites particularly the geometric Earthworks and that led into the Panther Souls idea and the astronomical links to it and what they believed and actually what they believed really coincides with a lot of what Cayce said and what some other I will say psychics or spiritualist have said and it's it's remarkable material I hope to present the whole idea

at some point at least at your conference oh absolutely we're looking forward to it yeah very good out where can people Purchase your book what is your website the website is AP magazine dot info but they can go to Amazon and put my name in and they'll they'll see a lot of things pop up there including some of the books in psychology and pharmacology and counseling and so on but ap magazine got info but I'd recommend them to just go to Amazon and put in path of souls or Indian mounds or whatever and it'll it'll

show up if they're interested in your in your books and in your Interviews you have spoken about some of the lunar alignments the lunar calendars in certain of these mounds and coggan ol geometries can you can you speak a little bit more about there that's the area of archaeo-astronomer gary was considered a taboo topic in mainstream archaeology in fact mainstream archaeologists thought it was absurd and where we're going to be in Arkansas some of the first archeo astronomical studies were done near Arkansas at a site They're called potent and the archaeologists that that tried to

evaluate Toltec actually said there were two problems number one they could have they could do alignments from mound to mound when I find a small mounds here we're talk about very large formations of Earth and earthworks which are linear formations of Earth that are formed into various shapes and geometric patterns but what the archaeologists said in the 70s and 80s is we don't know what time Of year to look because if you actually watch from one mound over another night after night after night you'll see all sorts of stars and movements there so they didn't

know when to look and they didn't know what time of year to look they didn't know what time of night were to look way so that all archaeologists accepted until the mid 80s was that mounds would show alignments to the Sun on the solstices and the equinoxes it would show like the winter solstice Sunrise the winter solstice sunset summer solstice sunrise and sunset but other than that they said there's just too many possibilities here we don't know what to look for and in nineteen in the mid 1980s a couple of professors in Ohio went to

a site called Newark the Newark earthworks which is the most incredible archeological geometric earthworks anywhere in the world I'll say that again America in Ohio has the most Amazing largest set of earthworks in the world of anywhere that were built roughly around the Year 500 BC or 2,500 years ago and they actually have earthworks that extend 56 miles to Chillicothe Ohio from Newark to Anna Denning almost identical set of the same thing and what it is there are these earthen walls that form circles outer circles that are roughly 15 feet high forming a perfect circle

that generally enclosed 30 to 50 acres then it connects To an octagon that encloses 50 acres inside the Octagon which has eight points to it there is a truncated pyramid an earthen truncated pyramid and what these archaeologists did was they calculated in the 1980s at a time when it was very difficult to do this kind of work that that structure was used to calculate the moon's 18.61 year cycle and by knowing that you could predict exactly when eclipses would occur so it was an eclipse calculator they then Followed this 56 mile long earth work which

was actually two parallel walls of Earth forming what was basically an interstate highway there about that wide so you had these walls of Earth on the outside and a flat walkway in the center going 56 miles to an identical set of a circle and octagon and it calculated the exact same thing but at a different time of the year so that's how it all started now with new information which archeologists actually came out with in The mid 2000s they finally that they finally figured out what's been known a long time but they just never looked

that's a long involved story but the the Native American mound builders at least believed that there was this ritual death ritual that the soul of the deceased had to make a leap to the Stars and then follow a pathway to another star where there was a portal out of the sky world so the spiritual life force which they called the free soul would Make this leap and it went to Orion's nebula which is the the three belt stars of Orion and then right below it it's kind of a fuzzy bluish red area and that is

a nebula and they believed that was what they called an OG o GE e and it's a slit in the sky so they jump to that and then it went down they had to jump at a certain time in the morning only in the winter very complicated that this is the belief and then it went under the earth and came up the next night on the other Side on the on the eastern horizon and then they would follow the Milky Way which was called the path of souls the stars on the Milky Way are the

souls making the journey they went to the north to the constellation of Cygnus which was on that show ancient aliens last week and they would dare they would met this gigantic bird which was a judge and if they passed a test they were allowed to go through another Oggy out of the sky World to the land of the ancestors that's kind of a summary of all that that is utterly fascinating yeah now you speak in I believe it's in paths of souls about the symbols of the eye and the hand that is a does that

tie into this journey as well as that they I am the hand if you if you look in old archeology books they'll tell you it's a symbol that was found first at Moundville Alabama in the 1800 initially when the archaeologists got Ahold of it they thought it was a fake but then they've started finding more and now there's around 200 examples of it that have been pulled from mound and it looks like the palm of the hand and in the middle of the palm of the hand there's what looks like an eye but it's not

really an eye it's a slit the hand is Orion's nebula it's the hand constellation the hand would be pointing down dangling from the sky the three belt stars of Orion are formed the Wrists of this severed hand and they had a story about how the hand got hung in the sky and it was hung there as a really as an example to others who would might try to block that portal but anyway that's that that is that symbol there's also the symbol of this feathered serpent which is people have talked about it being Quetzalcoatl in

well Quetzalcoatl was in Peru and also in some of the Mexican beliefs I call Mexican and the Aztecs Feathered serpent but ket's but the feathered serpent of Native Americans and probably also that in sin America was the constellation of Scorpius which Scorpius was the ruler of the underworld all of this was worked out by a group of around 40 anthropologists and archaeologists they put out a series of books and reports on it starting in the late 95 actually spoke to one of the head people a couple weeks ago as I was working on a Follow-up

book to some of this with Andrew Collins and the material where they got this from it's interesting it's been in libraries it's been in libraries since the 1800s it's just it hadn't been digitized and in our modern age you get people that the only research they want to do is look it up on the Internet we wouldn't go into the libraries and pull these books that some of them have 2000 pages and actually do the work but they did it and that's how all this was Uncovered they then took it to many of the tribal

leaders to modern tribes who basically verified it some of them it's sacred knowledge they really didn't want it to get out but the information is known now absolutely fascinating now does aught tourists come in to play in our service is a really interesting thing in this and I can I've talked to John about this recently John and I are have talked John been talking we've talked about doing an article on this Arcturus of course was mentioned by Casey and it's a portal and Arcturus most people don't know this but Arcturus is not really a native

of our of the Milky Way it and along with about 30 other stars that are Taurus is dragging with it actually moves through our Milky Way back and forth in a long long cycle and Arcturus is not mint non-native Americans didn't use the same names for stars that we did nor did they use the same names of the constellations Obviously there was a hand constellation and there's a Federal Circuit and there was the eagle which was the Cygnus constellation the Pleiades was important to him but I have seen some things that have mentioned Arcturus the

case he talked about it as being a portal now that souls move back and forth into this galaxy on and that that it's it's interesting on being hesitant and giving out the information on it because the Fact that it's not actually in our it's moving through the Milky Way but it oscillates back and forth through the Milky Way literally cutting a vertical it's like a vertical cut through the horizontal Milky Way and it's astounding it's absolutely fascinating and and you know with the work that you're doing I can see the correlations between some of the

Egyptians cosmology the hull of Matt and the you were talking about a sort of judgment that would occur in the paths Of souls yeah so it is an almost identical belief system it makes you wonder why did all these people have in the identical beliefs and we know the Egyptians believed in Orion and if you believe in Andrew Collins work which I do they also saw Cygnus is very important absolutely he's Andrew gave a absolutely fascinating presentation about go bleat ecchi and the Swan and he's a an absolutely remarkable researcher and see that he has

written The foreword to path souls yeah he wrote a really extensive forward and an afterword and that is the basis of a book that we're working on together right now which is a follow-up to his newest one about gobekli tepe and then the path of souls where we're combining and we're trying to trace the the call ones I'll call them the large skeletons that the Smithsonian pulled out of Edina hero mounds in America and trying to trace their genetic lineage which I know We haven't talked about genetics and at your conference on the first day

that Laura and I talked she's going to give an overview of what Casey said about Atlantis and what happened and where they went and then I'm going to give an overview of the genetics because there's some real strong evidence that what Casey said is true and we probably know what Atlantean DNA was or is it still exists that's fascinating and in one of your interviews Greg you talked About eight foot skeletons being found in portions of Missouri and Arkansas yeah and and Casey spoke about Atlanteans be and I think it was 12 feet tall and

we'll proportion he did have said I think there's five readings that talk about giants in the past and very tall large people the Smithsonian actually pulled 17 7 to 8 foot tall skeletons out of mounds in the 1800s and then various archeologists have pulled out seven and eight footers from American Maps and that's something that archaeologists just despise they just hate that information they don't deny that but they deny anybody above 8 feet has ever been found and I can't find in any of their in the actual archaeological reports where they found somebody above 8

feet tall but there's far too many of these seven and eight foot skeletons that they found in really fabulous tombs at the base of mounds in sub mound tombs and they were clearly The elite Shaymin and the priests perhaps the Chiefs but it I would say most of them are the Shaymin and there's far too many of them statistically we actually did a statistical study of them and archaeologists have looked at that statistical report and they said okay this is the Edina elite hypothesis that during during the the Adina period the shame and we're all

exceptionally tall people so the question is where did these people come from and where did They get their beliefs absolutely well we're coming toward the end of our hour and if we can just take a few more minutes I'd like to open it up and we can take perhaps two or three questions the we have over 500 people listening by web and another couple of hundred by phone and so if anyone would like to pose a question you have a tab to do that and I do have one question that's come through now and it's

for Laura the question is was there a recent discovery In Giza that indicated the hall of record that came up in a recent sonar confirmation my understanding from John been often is that there were there has been a sort of an x-ray process used but on the great pyramid not on the Sphinx if something has occurred around things I'm not what we here with it well Robert Schoch was speaking not too long ago that they were doing sonar around the pinks and that there is a room down there that they think could be the Hall

Of Records and this is fairly recent that this was an interview that Robert was doing maybe six months ago and you know it's really a shame that that we can't get down there and there's so much happening I suppose in Egypt it makes it politically precarious right now it really does I would suggest the questioner might be interested in in Andrew Collins book beneath the pyramid because he talks about the caves under the Giza Plateau That started the Temple of the birds and move toward the sinks and there's some push to try to get that

completely x-naught excavated but explored and it leads directly to the right pollicis think so well there are it's all part of the same thing and to realize that Cayce spoke of this so many years ago is absolutely absolutely fascinating so we'll take one more question and this one is from Greg and Greg this this is John in Maryland and he is asking what Do you think is the single most impressive mound in North America well the most impressive mound would be the largest in terms of impressive that's in Cahokia Illinois which is across the Mississippi

River from st. Louis it is a hundred feet tall it's which is a ten story building and it has a base of 14 acres which is one acre larger than the Great Pyramid there were a hundred and twenty mounds at the site there is a stone huge stone structure inside of it That was discovered in the 90s but no work has been done there no work will be done there on it because of laws so that's clearly the most impressive mound but if the person he's in Maryland it needs to hop over to Newark Ohio

and go to mound builders golf course and seriously that it's mound builders golf course in Newark Ohio so that is that is that's why it's that's why it's so impressive it's been it is one of the few geometric earthworks in America That's been perfectly preserved and it's because it's been a golf course and it's a pristine and the golf course can't do any work on it other than keep it maintained James we've taken tours for a re to that particular site and Greg even gives us an overview of it the night before we're going to

go see the site and nobody is ever prepared for the immensity of it do you have one planned for this year next year not so far we've done that okay we probably will the next Couple of years but we don't have a plan at the moment well that would be absolutely fascinating so I want to thank the two of you sincerely for giving us your time and expertise and wisdom you're both amazing people I sincerely really looking forward to meeting you both we hope that you'll have books available we'll do a book signing and just

a brilliant amount of work that you two have done and I want to really honor you I feel the Connection to you both that spiritual family thing the case he talks about the law of one and perhaps many other lifetimes but I truly admire the word you're doing your website is AP Magazine dot info INF a-- okay AP magazine dot info yeah okay and I've seen your website and some fascinating articles and books can be ordered they're your own books as well as from Andrew Collins and others we really look forward to meeting the two

Of you in the Luwak Arkansas which by the way is probably about twenty minutes away from Toltec mounds State Park if you spoke about I actually grew up in that area so I've been there many many times one other thing you do an amazing job to what you put together is absolutely amazing these seminars and weekend long workshops you do are just amazing and I have heard from people that have been to them and they are just overwhelmed with all the information and The people that they get to meet so I would encourage anybody out

there listening or anybody that listens in the future go to one of this man's workshops it's incredible what you do well thank you so much i genuinely appreciate that I'm touched thank so thank you both very very much I'd like to encourage all the listeners to visit the Eggert KC website which I believe is w WK c org we will be pushing a membership drive in arkansas and we do still have a few seats Available we've got over 500 signed up now and we expect to sell out at 625 and so if you're interested in

attending this event with Graham Hancock Stanton Friedman dr. Laura little dr. Greg little John Ben Aachen David Childress and 16 other speakers we'd love to have you so thank you all very very much thank you Greg and Laura thank you thank you Ken thank you very much bye-bye [Music] [Music] [Music]