Jay Smith destroying (The Quran & Mecca)

For the name of god that holy name that universal name that name that has been beginning the present and the end that god did use and that all the prophets used to delineate the god that is the holy the unique god allah is nothing more than a pagan god secretary of law has given manipulation no we did not alley i have to because of jesus that's why i love jesus because he says [Music] do you say what you believe [Music] would you please welcome dr j smith now those pictures you saw are from speaker's corner

that only we do at speaker's corner don't get scared we don't do that everywhere else and i'm not going to do that this morning as well that is a unique place it's the only place on earth where we can do that It's the only place where we can say anything we want and believe me we do say anything we want now we do get beat up and we do get shut down and we do get knocked off our ladders but it's a fascinating i was there at speaker's corner for 25 years i counted up the

other day and that was 1100 times i went down to that place every sunday it's only on sundays and it's the place Where the muslims love because muslims come from countries come from cultures which are very oral and they love orality and that's the best place to learn how to be oral how to verbalize what you want to say but it's also a training ground that's where we test our new material that's the place that we go and take it for the first time anybody's ever heard it they hear it there first because there are

Ten to one muslims usually when i was there maybe ten muslims to every one christian that was down there you're going to get an immediate peer-reviewed you're gonna get their reaction in fact it's great because they create the theater for us and it's terrific because that then we immediately put up onto youtube it goes up live that very day and we find out What the response is we see where how they're going to react we see where they're going to come with and that helps us then get ready for the next salvo so in some

ways what you saw there is unique it only stays there we don't do it anywhere else it's only for london because that's the only place there is a speaker's corner you can't have speaker's corner in this country because you have too many guns whether you like it or not that is the Truth they tried it at car in costa mesa i'm sorry um santa bart now where is it that one on the beach where they anyhow they're on the beach in california and people got shot they tried it in washington square in new york city

and people got shot so it doesn't exist here in america but it does in england because they have the most draconian gun laws in the world and as a result there we can say and get away with an awful lot of stuff that we Could hear in the united states or even on a university campus what we introduced there we can i can't even introduce it on a university campus because i'll be kicked out this is called hate speech this is called islamophobia and yet all we're asking are historical questions so what i'm going to

do this morning i've asked ted if this is okay i'm going To show you exactly what what has happened in the last two years in the last two years we come up we've come across some brand new material that i believe will destroy islam see if you agree with me you may not you may not agree you may not think this is that important but what i'm gonna do i'm gonna take two services to unpack it so this first service and i asked ted if this is okay uh he said it was be fine this

service I'm gonna talk about mecca and muhammad the next service i'm gonna talk about the quran those are the three things that islam absolutely needs see every muslim whether they are radical whether they are nominal whether they are liberal is dependent on one man one book in one place the man is muhammad the book is the quran And the place is mecca right here mecca i've got this map up here because i'm only showing you exactly where i'm going to go make it as visual as possible so i hope i don't know if those on

this side if you might want to move over here so you can see this map because uh you may not be able we should have really put it up on the screens but i really want to make it as personal as possible and i didn't realize we'd have such a big crowd so what we're going to Do is we're going to look at the man in the place now stop and think do we not start from the same paradigm as christians do we not go to a book and a man in a place as well

don't we the book would be the bible especially the new testament the man would be jesus and the place would be jerusalem why because that's where he died and that's where he rose again So we're going to do a comparative back and forth back and forth back and forth and this is what i did three weeks ago three weeks ago today i was in london i had to go back there i had to go and do some filming back there there in the studios but whenever i'm in london i'm with hatuntas hatuntas is a lady

she's from turkish is only about five foot two and she has absolutely destroyed islam in just the last four years she not islam she has destroyed the quran and I'm going to talk about her more in the next hour the next service but every time she is the one that's taken over my ministry there she now has goes down to speaker's corner every sunday uh regardless of what happens she got stabbed on june on her in her head and in her arm at speaker's corner it's all on film you can go up on fander films

and see what happened she should be dead The guy was just hammering into her with a knife on her head broke the blade on her head there's no reason she should be alive today but we've got a great lord and she has two angels called harry and larry we haven't seen them but the muslims see them and they made sure she survived that Attack oh she had to go to the hospital and in fact she fell unconscious blood all over her face when she got up there at speaker's corner back in june and if you

look at the video after about 10 minutes unconscious she finally woke up blood was all over she got up onto her feet and this is what she said your god needs you but my god does not need me Kill me if you want that's not going to stop the truth that was talking about you need to repent you need to come back to jesus christ now would you say that if you were stabbed in the head knocked unconscious blood streaming on your face god gave her those words to say what a woman what a colleague

can you imagine having A hundred of her on your team even one this woman in the last three years in the last three years after she she'd been interviewed by different news agencies after that happened after she got out of the hospital and she was right back down there at speaker's corner the next sunday and the sunday after that and every sunday since including three weeks ago but when she got out they wanted to interview and they asked her this Question using this methodology which is polemics this is all polemics she confronts the quran right

left and center she starts with polemics which is something you're not taught to do in any of your schools and she ends with polemic she goes right into mosque after mosque after mosque after moth she has been in 400 mosques all by herself she's from turkey she desecrates our language every time She opens her mouth god bless her and she carries a bag with all these qurans in it all in arabic she doesn't speak a word of arabic because she's from turkey and then she opens them all up and says notice they're all different not

one of them is the same all in arabic i'll talk more about that next service but what's fascinating about her in just Three years she has brought a thousand muslims to jesus christ all by herself how many people do you know who have brought a thousand muslims to jesus christ in just three years going from mosque to mosque to mosque and confronting the muslims with their own quran i've never heard of this before and yet she's my colleague when asked how many imams have you Brought to christ she says 17 17 imams these are men

who lead muslims in their mosque they've all had to leave their mosque they've all had to go find other houses around britain all of them are from pakistan indian bangladesh not one of them is from turkey which is her own home country this is a one-woman evangelistic machine so i was on the ladder with her three Weeks ago i was there and i wanted to introduce this brand new material on mecca as we were getting up on the ladder i was telling ted this just before the service as we were getting up on the ladder

she turned to me and she said jay i don't agree with you on mecca and i said well please don't say anything on the ladder about that just run with me bear with me i've got to convince them and looks like i'm going to have to Convince you as well and this is how i started but i don't have the pictures with me i should have brought them i didn't think about that but i held up some pictures of this country right here this is saudi arabia right but it's only been made saudi arabia because

of the ibiza family which created arabia brought it together in the 1700s they were they eradicated all their opposition and they became arabia there so they got the whole Peninsula under their jurisdiction but they needed theological they needed theological authority theological legitimacy so they brought a man named ibn al-wahab who was a theologian he was studying even thymia's material in the 1700s they brought him together and he gave the theological legitimacy to their political entity so you had the mosque and the state brought together much like we would have the church and state in The

catholic context we separate the two they bring it together and that happened in the 1700s so that happened 400 years ago that this whole la island or this sorry this peninsula came under their jurisdiction so you had both the politics and you had the theology amalgamated now that was here in mecca and it's also in jeddah and it's also in hindi those were the three centers at that time in the 1700s What they did then is they weren't really that powerful until the last century in the last century they found oil here and when they

find oil here suddenly they became a superpower and they started transporting and forcing this wahabism that's where wabism comes from from eben who was muhammad ibn al-wahab who was the man that created the theology and it all basically came down to two things The theology of wahhab is this here it is in just two sentence to be a good muslim read the quran follow muhammad that's it that's all he was saying read the quran follow muhammad what's the quran here's the quran ted i didn't ask you permission to bring this in kyle so you don't

mind if i bring in this building It's already here you can't say no don't worry we're going to destroy this in the next hour so it'll be nothing and that's why this is the book this is their book this is the quran right this is the book that they follow every muslim doesn't matter whether they are radical nominal or liberal they have to follow this book read the book but how do you apply this book well you go to the author that wrote but It wasn't written by any author this book is eternal it's always

been it's never existed it never was begun it's always existed can you see the problem read this book how do you apply it follow the man in the book follow the man in the book so that's what they have been doing since the 1300s now of 200 years after ibn daimia actually created this Paradigm a man named martin luther did the same thing in germany did he not when he nailed up his 95 thesis there in germany what did he say sola scriptura read the book go back to scripture don't follow the church don't follow

all these traditions that are coming from the book of tobit and these other inter-testamental books don't follow this indulgences we are not to have this Idea called purgatory that's not in the book it's not in our bible read the book and follow jesus christ follow the man the book and the man the book of the man the book of the man basically what martin luther was doing is what the muslims had already done 200 years earlier and people are still saying today when Is islam going to be reformed that was their reformation he was a

protester even diemea he people hated him they put him into prison he died in prison for saying read the book and follow the man read the book and follow the man just like they hated martin luther so islam is very similar to us as much as that going to make you uncomfortable don't worry that's as far as the similarities go Because when you read that book and follow that man what a different book and what a different man that we don't have any of almost any of our theologies are the same i'm not going to

get into that today but do you notice which is the bigger book this is the bigger book right i make sure it's bigger just so you can say yes This is the bigger book this is the smaller book this is the bigger man this is the smaller man but here's the problem when you look at the man when you go back to muhammad himself you've got to go to here because this is where he was born right there born in 570 a.d right there the difficulty is that there is called mecca Now take a look

at this and you'll notice i i should have a topography map here because if you look at a topographical map you'll notice that it's all green up here and it's all green down here and it's all brown here why is it brown here and what was this has been called what did the romans call this what did the greeks call this this is known as petraea deserta Desert that desert means desert right that's all desert that is what we know this whole area here is the mesopotamia the places of the two rivers that come down

here see the two rivers that come down here the tigris and euphrates that is where all the civilizations occurred why do all the civilizations occur up here because it's got water if you have a desert you don't have any Water am i correct desert means no water if there is no water there's no vegetation if there's no vegetation there are no people if there are no people there is no town if there is no town there's no cities there's no cities there's no civilization if there is no civilization there is no history how long did

it take me to say that 10 seconds right that's if there's anything you leave From this morning that's all you need to know because any muslim and i hope you send this to muslims those of you who are following this at home i don't know where the camera is i'm going to be pointing to the area i think it's over there those of you who are watching this at home this is all going to be it's all being recorded it's all going up online i want muslims to hear this I want all of you to

sell this to your muslim give them this video and have them answer this question how could there be any history here if there's no water now what are what do muslims say every muslim says that adam and eve when they were in the garden of eden now the garden of eden in the quran in chapter 2 in chapter 7 in chapter 20 the garden of eden is up in space it's not On earth unlike our garden even which is on earth their garden if it is up in space so when adam and eve were thrown

out of that garden they were thrown down to earth where were they thrown down to bingo right there this is where they were thrown to mecca which means that would be the oldest town city civilization civilized place On earth right you don't have anybody earlier than adam and eve they're the first humans which means that should be the oldest town in history if it's the oldest town or the oldest city someone somewhere should have known about or said something or written about it we have no reference to a place called mecca Until 7 41 a.d

muhammad died in 632. can you see a problem there that's over a hundred years later before we even hear about this place it's on no maps until 900 a.d no maps have it on it ptolemy writing in the second century he talked all about arabia in his what he called the geography of arabia he talks about all the places and he talks about aiden down here and he talks about sinai And he talks about nazim he talks about life he talks about yathrib he talks about khaibar he talks about the book he talks about all

these places gaza they're all there and you can see they're all right here [Laughter] that's the western plateau mecca is not on the western plateau dr patricia corona in the 1980s noticed this actually in 1970 she noticed this she said hold on it's off the western Plateau it's about a thousand meters off the western plateau a thousand that's three thousand feet you have to go down to get to mecca it has no water why it's a desert it's not even an oasis if you don't have water how are you going to accommodate the caravans that

came how could it be on the trade route she said it isn't on the trade She reads and writes 15 languages all archaic languages how many of you today read and write 15 languages so this is a real prodigy this is a woman who's unique one the first in the world to actually go back to the original documents she was head of department at oxford university when she did her book and wrote her book in 1987 called meccan trade in the rise of islam she decided to find out where this mecca was she went to

all the documents from The second third fourth fifth sixth all the way we'll go in this direction where for you yeah where's left or the right that's right so she went all the way from second third fourth fifth second all the way up until the seventh century no reference a mecca on any of the documents she went all up and down the coast here she went up all the down the coaster she went way over here to india she tried to find any reference no reference what she found was they were All talking about this

place over here ageless which is in eritrea today in africa that's what she found reference after reference all the trade went through this way why because it went up the red sea why would you take all the goods coming from china and the far east they came to india they could go this way because see that's all mountains there that's the hindu kush and the himalayas so they could go that way they had to come this Way and then they had to usually they went across here to the persian gulf but then you had the

iranians which were the sassanids and the byzantines fighting each other from the fifth and sixth century so that shut down the persian gulf they had to redirect trade down to here and they according to the trade route theory which is all of you who know this theory this is what i've been taught in all my schooling they took off the trades here in aden and they went 1250 miles all the way up to gaza stopping in mecca and mecca controlled the trade why would you control the trade from here if the trade is down here

no one ever asked this question until she asked this question so she went back and did as good any good historians should do she went back to the documents from that time second third fourth fifth sixth all the way up to the seventh century and she noticed That all the trade was maritime for one very good reason even today how do you send large goods anywhere by boat right it's the cheapest way to send boats or anything by boat even the big ships that go through there they come from china they come from all over

the easter to get over to the mediterranean world they have to come this route because if you just put a ton of goods and you go 50 miles by land That would cost the same amount as 1250 miles by sea and the reason is very simple you go by land you have to have camels camels have to be fed camels need to be watered camels need to be guarded you need to guard your goods that means you may be attacked from any behind a rock or they might behind a mountain or behind a sand dude

you can be attacked at any time but when you're on the water you can see for miles ahead There are no sand dunes in the water there is no mountains in the water there is no way you can be attacked you can see it coming therefore it's much safer and it's much less expensive because all you need is wind to blow your sails that's it this is before diesel power this is before gas was ever invented they used the wind and all the trade went up this way all the trade went this way Why hadn't

anybody noticed this before 1970 because no one had asked that simple question where's mecca you don't ask that question in a muslim environment and live very long it's the one it's the one area of study where what you find may kill you and she got a death threat for asking that question for writing that book Meccan trade in the rise of islam she got death threats for it from muslims she had to leave oxford university come to cambridge university that's where i got to know her and when i did my first debate in 1995 look

at the date that's 26 years ago i did my first debate on this and on the quran and on muhammad the book the man in the place and she prepared my debate for me i went To her the day the week before the debate and she said do this write this you say this don't say this and i looked at her and said you know this material this is your material why aren't you doing this debate and she laughed at me she said jay i'm an academic i have a chair to protect i have an

institution represent i cannot do this debate but you can because you have no chair to protect You have no institution you only have one person you're responsible and his name is jesus christ she said that to me in 1995. she told me something i never heard of i've never thought of before we as christians are the only ones that can debate this we as christians are the only one that can ask and demand and show the muslims that they've got a problem because this place did not exist look at all the historical animals Listen she

didn't even go far enough and this is what we just found in march of this year as we were looking at all these and i was i had my team look at all these different um plans by alexander the great in the 3rd century bc 4th century bc sorry 300's he came from here he wanted to find a waterway to attack egypt he didn't want to go across land and he couldn't go this way because there's too many boats and this way there's too many Cities so we wanted to see if we could go around

arabia to find a sea route to get up to here and attack egypt that way the first one got to bahrain that's as far as it got they went back the second expedition got here to the gulf of oman then it went back but the third expedition made it all the way around and they went up the red sea and then they returned home again and the reason why they returned home is they couldn't find any provisions for their troops so There was no food no water for their troops and you can't go far without

food and water so they had to return back here and they never attacked egypt by sea why because they were going up the wrong coast they were going up the arabian coast and you look and now look at all the historical annals and you will see there Is no ports here except for one called yanbu right there to accommodate yathrib right here that is the only port that exists but you can accommodate an entire fleet with just one port they had to return home they went up the wrong coast what they should have done is

gone up this coast Here this coast is the western coast this is africa and they have five major ports i'm pointing them right here five major ports these are the ports that have been there since the 4th century bc why are those posts viable and not the ones on this side because they have water and where you have water you have vegetation and where you have vegetation You have people and where you have people you have towns and towns cities and cities civilizations and where there are civilizations there are ports it's as simple as that

do you see how simple this is you can also repeat this can't you anytime anybody comes up to and asks why is it nobody was over here why is it nobody actually did any work over here because there's no water and where there's no water you know the rest That's what we found out in march of this year those five ports are exactly one day's boat ride away proving that these ports have been used since the 4th century bc alexander the great was not even aware of this he was on the wrong side of the

sea and we have just shut that down so there was no way to get to mecca by land there was no way to get to mecca by sea Jeddah which is there today to supply all the supplies for mecca was only created in listen to the date 750 that's the 8th century that's just 1400 years ago proving that jeddah was created because mecca was finally chosen mecca was finally chosen now when we showed this and we introduced this there's so much more i could go i could go for when i when i do a talk

on this it goes for about an hour And a half we don't have that time i say only have three minutes left that's correct three minutes i've got to bring it to a stop can you see the problem if you don't have mecca you don't any have any reference for mecca all the trade routes everything we know about this place does not exist until the eighth century if you don't have mecca then you don't have muhammad because where did muhammad where was Muhammad born he was born here where did he grow up he was grew

up here where'd he spend his first 50 years of his life he spent his first 50 years of his life right here when did the quran get received it was right here in mecca starting in the cave right outside of mecca everything is dependent on mecca adam and eve were in mecca according to chapter 21 in the quran abraham is living in mecca according to all the traditions 70 as many as 70 prophets all Lived here in mecca that means hagar and sarah and ishmael and isaac were all here in mecca which means we'd have

to throw away all of our biblical material because everything we know about that happening is way up here a thousand miles further north and look at all the biblical evidence look at all the archaeological evidence we have for abraham for isaac for ishmael you name it they're all from up here And look at what we have for jerusalem we have so much evidence for jerusalem not one piece of evidence for mecca once you throw out mecca you throw out muhammad once you throw out muhammad you throw out the quran no book no man no place

and all i did was show you a map see how easy this is i haven't even gone to talk about the Coins yet i haven't gone to talk about their inscriptions we haven't got into that yet i haven't even talked about the buildings all the qiblas every qibla for every mosque up until 706 way over in china from way down in india from all period iran all these qiblas that's the direction of prayer that they're all facing are all facing petra nothing is facing mecca not until 7 27 that's over 100 years after muhammad's death

And it makes my job so easy but see you can repeat this just show them a map and remind them that's a desert if it's a desert there's no water there's no water there's no vegetation no vegetation no people no people no town no town no city no city no civilization no history you cannot build an entire theology an entire ideology an entire religion based on Desert you've got to have civilization you've got to have history if there's no history you throw on mecca are you all getting it do you see how easy it is

by the time i finished that after going for about an hour unpacking it at the ladder hatune had been converted she was so excited about that that she came and asked me to tell her whole team On tuesday but more than that if you go up on her site dcci you will see she has 11 videos just on this material from what we did at speaker's corner since the last two weeks now if you want to know more about us you can go back to the table judy will be back there afterwards here is our

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we're now teaching 10 different courses all on the historical critique unpacking all this So people all over the world can get it we have over 100 students now and we've only been going one year i'm also teaching it right now as we speak this week last week and next week in ethiopia i'm supposed to be there physically that's why i wouldn't have been able to come here i'm supposed to be in ethiopia but have you all been hearing what's happening in ethiopia you need to pray for ethiopia addis ababa may soon fall addis ababa is

being attacked from the North by the tigres from the south by the omarosa they want to take over and make it an islamic state these are two muslim picture movements that are coming all my students had to leave the city they're back in their own or their own towns this is a master's degree course that we're teaching there this material we're teaching there in ethiopia because these are all pastors getting master's degree and they all want this material because they are Surrounded by islam on all four sides they are the only christian country in the

world that has retained their christian identity for two thousand years the church in uh in ethiopia the orthodox church numbers 42 million if islam takes over addis ababa in the next few weeks ethiopia will fall you need to pray for ethiopia it's happening and no one's talking about it here because all we want to talk about is Trump and biden we need to start talking about what's happening around the rest of the world especially to our church let's pray for ethiopia pray for these pastors as we're introducing they want this material because this is not

hate speech this is not islamophobia this is historical you're right i am a polemicist to go on the offense apologist means to go on the defense and all of you can be apologists because what apologetics is is basically Defending the person of jesus christ and defending the bible that's it the book of the man the book of man that's all you are asked to do and that's exactly what the early church did and that's exactly what paul did and all the disciples did jesus did that polemics is the goal the other direction it's like a

football team you have your offense and you have your defense you have two completely different teams don't you and they have two completely Different skills and the defense those of you who are all eagle fans i'm sure you are shame on you if you're not you all have your defensive team they're big guys they're bruisers and they make sure the others don't score against you otherwise you lose the game but they don't they don't win the game the ones that win the game are the offensive team and the offense have a totally different set of

skills they are the ones that run they grab and then they push and get Themselves to the other goal and they are the ones that score and their names are all over the papers and you know them best they get the highest salaries why because they win the game so where and what do we do in offense in christianity we don't not against islam oh you have offense against the jehovah witnesses you have offense against the mormons you have offensive in fact i did my first degree in apologetics my first Masters was in apologetics but

that was all against the humanists and the atheists you name it but never never never no no offense against muslims there is no school in the world that teaches it except ours we're the first school to do that veritas international university in california where i have a master's degree program in fact we are the first master's degree anywhere in the world on both apologetics and polemics to islam Words you probably never heard it before because we don't teach that not in biblical studies and so we're the first one to start this up because if you're

going to take on islam you've got to win the goal you've got to make the touchdown you've got to shut down islam now these are fighting words for a brother in christ's missionary speaking we're supposed to be peace and reconciliation right isn't that what we All talk about where does christ ever talk about peace and reconciliation with the enemy does he can you show me one verse where he talks about peace and reconciliation with satan with any other religion besides christianity can you show me where in the church paul ever had peace and reconciliation with

the stoics or with the epicureans or with the gentiles and certainly not with the pharisees Every place he went into laodicea cappadocia wherever he went he went right into the synagogue and he confronted these pharisees with what they had done to the messiah that's called polemics that's polemics folks you cannot open the book of acts and read chapter 15 16 17 18 and 19 without seeing palermics all the way through it and he got beat up and he got thrown into prison and he got flogged and he Twice they tried to stone him to death

he calls the riot in ephesus and they finally killed him in rome for peace and reconciliation yet that's all we preach peace and reconciliation i'm stepping on some of your tolls aren't i this is not likely this is not what you like to hear in the brethren in christ and that's exactly what paul did it's what jesus christ did when he was there in the temple overturning the Table that's polemics look at matthew 23 the entire chapter you hypocrites you then the vipers you white supplicers the entire chapter is full of polymers why aren't we

doing that today because we're so fearful of islam we are scared to death of muslims am i correct the only people who are willing to come with me are the afro-americans And the afro-caribbeans and the africans that's why i have to go to nigeria and i'm in ethiopia right now every day i'm supposed to be there physically i'm training them up because they're surrounded by islam look at ethiopia see what's happening right now this week the tigrans muslims are coming from the north coming down to addis ababa the omoroles are coming from the south to

arasa a pincher moving have you been following this in The news no no one talks about it here in america because all you want to talk about is biden and all you want to talk about is trump you don't want to say anything about what's happening in the rest of the world we're watching ethiopia in just a few weeks maybe overridden by islam it is surrounded by islam this is the only country that for 2000 years has Remained christian that's true no other country has a majority population that's christian for 2000 years 60 the population

of ethiopia is christian the orthodox church in ethiopia has 42 million members and yet we're not even looking at the news we're not even aware what's happening i'm training up 20 pastors Right now all at a master's degree level trying to introduce all this new material because they need it more than you need it they need it because they need to go on the offense they need to shut down islam they can't even stay in artists they've been told all to go home because of everything that's happening it's going to fall and so they're doing

it with their laptops in all their different cities And we're every morning now i'm training them up for two and a half hours into this material i should be there physically but i can't because it's too dangerous right now and this is what i'm telling them in the first service i talked about mecca and i just destroyed mecca we now have destroyed mecca historically and it's as simple as saying one word two words no water that's all you have To say no water here's a mecca right here this is where adam and eve were sent

to this is where abraham lived in chapter 21 of the quran adam and eve were sent down to mecca in chapter 7 verse 20 uh verse 7 verse 27 look in the quran it's right there in the quran just read it in black and white abraham was there in the kaaba he goes and he destroys all the idols and with a Big idol and then the next day is thrown into a fiery pit and then god saves him from the fiery bed well that's shadrach meshach and abednego nonetheless the story is with abraham here in

mecca which means mecca should have been there from the very beginning because you don't get anybody earlier than adam and eve they are the first right that's in the quran well we shut that down just by asking two words there's no water There's no water anywhere here if there's no water there's no vegetation if there's no vegetation there are no people if there are no people there are no towns there's no towns there's no cities there are no cities there is no civilization if there is no civilization there is no history bingo shut down mecca

just like that and it took me 10 seconds that's just what you can do just ask any muslim show me any historical record for Mecca prior to 8 7 41 that's the 8th century nothing at all about this place called mecca see without mecca if mecca doesn't exist and it hasn't exist in fact it was invented he was created in the 8th century 100 years after muhammad died in 632 they finally created mecca and so the first record we have of mecca is 741 the first time it's even on any map anywhere in any place

is not till 980 that's the 10th century if You don't have mecca you don't have muhammad if you don't have muhammad you don't have the quran this book right here now what i want to do this hour i want to look at this book i've asked ted he said it's okay to bring this in the church it's not going to hurt anybody because we're going to destroy it right now this is the book that every muslim has to follow why because this book is eternal according to chapter 85 verse 22 In the quran this book

was never created it is the eternal tablet that has always existed coexisted with god which is already that's a duality isn't it how could you have something an animated object co-exist with god if god is eternal and you have another a tablet eternal defend that who have any muslim i've had that for 40 years no muslim has been able to defend nonetheless this has never been touched by human Hands if it's eternal it is the word of god definite article because it is above mankind no man can touch it no man can change it that's

in chapter 10 verse 15 that's in chapter 18 verse 27 and that's also in chapter 15 verse 9 why because in 15 verse 9 the reason no man can touch it that means no man can change one word no man can change one letter is because allah guards it chapter 15 verse 9 In the quran it's all through the quran this book says clearly there's only one god and he has no associates that's in chapter 5 verse 72 there's only one god and he has no wife that's chapter 6 verse 101. say not 3 for

god is one and he has no son that's in chapter 4 verse 171 and verse after verse after verse confronts jesus christ chapter 5 verse 75 it says Very clearly that man god cannot eat yet jesus ate in chapter 5 verse 116 it says is it true you jesus issa that you and your mother are worshipped as gods supposing and insinuating that mary is part of the trinity do you teach that here please don't say yes thank you you said no boy you got your theology right we don't teach mary as part of the trinity

but it's in the quran which suggests there's something wrong With this book because it doesn't even understand who jesus is chapter 4 verse 157 for they killed him not they thought it was so another was given his place another was given his image that's jesus christ they killed him not they did not crucify him that's in chapter 4 verse 157 and if that is true then we're all damned folks you might as well go home If jesus christ did not die on the cross and rise again on the third day we're all damned and this

book damns us all to hell that's this book which means we're going to have to confront this book stop confronting muslims you're wasting your time that's called hate speech don't say anything nasty to muslims don't even talk about muhammad stop this Talking about his sexual proclivities and his finest forget it don't do that i'm going to show you what you need to do and this is real polemics just confront this book confront this book because when you confront this book you confront the man with him it goes simultaneously confront this book and confront that pace

place the book the man in the place I love this and here's how you do it so ask your muslim friend the next time they say that this book is eternal never been changed not one word not one letter that has never it has always existed co-existent with god eternally and therefore no man can touch it it was sent down to a man named muhammad from 610 to 632 that 22-year period first in mecca wait a minute where is no mecca so how could he receive it here you've Already eradicated that in the last hour

if it doesn't exist here there's no quran there right well then just take the crawlers don't do it please don't do that tear it in half and throw that white part half away because that is all from mecca then he moves to this place up here medina which is called jethro at that time and we're going to confront that now because if that was the case there should be a koran somewhere in this area Right there should be a quran at the seventh century because canonized by utman in 652 that's mid-seventh century so 1400 years

ago there was a quran here but it wasn't just one quran because suddenly they realized there was more than one crop so what did uthman do in 652 he then took all the other qurans that were in different languages he burned them all and only had one quran left known as the quraysh which is this quran so i'm told This is the quran that every muslim reads all over the world right say yes be good muslims you're to be obedient in some bishop submissive that's what islam means so be good muslims just for the next

half hour okay at least you'd be a good muslim okay just say yes to everything i say you're going to be abdul all right you're my abdul and you're going to be amena okay i mean so Abdul this is your book right you say yes yes sir and this is the book you've had since 1400 since 652 say yes eternal not one word not one letter and you've been telling me this for 40 years we've been good friends heavenly abdul and though i just met you today and yet you've been telling me for 40 years

not one word not one letter if that was the case have you seen what hatune found who's hatune how toon is a Five foot two inch girl she's only this high she's from turkey and she is a daughter of an imam a well-known imam in turkey she had to leave turkey because she became a christian and i won't tell you the whole story i'm not permitted to tell you the whole story but it is absolutely horrendous horrendous when you hear her story she had to be thrown she had to leave turkey had to come to

britain became my student she thought i was audacious she thought I was arrogant the first time she met me because i come across as eric and all the time ask my wife and so here she was she was my student and i said i went to a place called speaker's corner every sunday she came down to speaker's corner that's what you saw up there on the on on the screen that's what i did for eleven hundred times i was at speaker's corner over 25 years going there week after week those guys that you see there

you saw adad rasheed you probably didn't Know him he is one of the top muslim debaters in the world today he has a following of half a million all over the world on youtube you also saw ishmael ishmael was there as well the first guy at the very beginning he is well known all over europe he is one of their best debaters and we shut them down using hatune's material what did hatune find hatun who had grown up as an imam's daughter had always been told that the Quran is eternal that that has never been

changed not one word not one letter has ever been changed she went to morocco to teach some missionaries there and she wanted to get a quran in arabic she doesn't speak a word of arabic herself she went into the bookstore and she said could you please give me one quran the man behind the counter said well which quran do you want she said what do you mean which quran she said i want the quran there's only One quran she says no over here we have wash we have huffs we have el quesai we have ibn

hua kafir and she said wait a minute what are you talking about he says what do you mean you haven't heard about these two different qurans he says which one do you memorize do you memorize huffs do you memorize wash do you have mermaid kasai here's kaloon over here she said well give me them all and so she brought them back to London to show me this is back in 2013. and i started laughing when i saw these i said i had no idea these qurans still existed because these are over a thousand years old

this is what this happened way back in the eighth ninth and the tenth century when all of a sudden they started writing these many different qurans because these are the first qurans that existed and when they looked at the text they all you have are just little Squiggly letters if you look at arabic it doesn't at the very beginning it had no dots it had no vowels it just had what we call as cardinal texts or skeletal texts these are called it's a great word to remember the resume just really just kind of just drips

out of your mouth i love oh there goes my spit now the rest here you have and that's all they had just basically 16 letters but nobody could read them because one little smiley face like this could be five different letters so they had to start adding dots to them you put one dot above it becomes enough you two one two dots one becomes a top three dots of one becomes a th one dot below becomes a two dots below it becomes a ya ya five letters just depending on where your dots so suddenly they

are with all these dots at their disposal but then They don't have any vowels so you have to add three vowels if you put a little slash above it it becomes a fattah which is an ah sound if you put a little curly cube of it becomes a diamond which is an ooh sound if you put one little slash below it becomes a quest which is an e right three vowels in arabic and now instead of 16 letters you now have 28 letters well if you have 28 letters to deal with you're you're going to

be abdul putting Your dots where you want to amino you're going to put your dots what you want to you will put your dots where you want to you will stick your dots what you want to and you will call yours abdul and you will call yours amina and you will call yours wash and you will call yours kaloon so you give your name to your quran and suddenly all these qurans start proliferating 700 qurans by the 10th century 700 different crowns All with different dots all over the place all saying different things because if

you take three letters together and put dots in different places you can get anywhere from 19 to 33 different words that's just with one word and you have a sentence of different words you can have all kinds of sentences have any of you heard this before no and you never would have heard this had It not been for huttoon five foot two inches she went and found these six and came back and i said well there's actually quite a few more on this try finding 30 of them because there's 30 official ones that were made

official by 1429 that's a 15th century 800 years after muhammad they had chosen 30 that were official 30 different qurans so she started going all over the place she started going to yemen to jordan see What anybody that was trying to say could you get this one for me because you get this one because i gave her the whole list you can see the list it's up on wikipedia it's all there if you want to read it i'm not telling you anything that wikipedia hasn't already said we've known about it but no muslim knew about

well not no muslim no one on the ground knew about it and then she found 26 of them So we took him down to speaker's corner that you saw on the screen in 2016 six years ago no five years ago i don't know my master you can ask my wife five years ago we took him to speaker's corner and we held them up so the whole world could see or the muslims went berserk they start throwing things at us a big tall muslim named muhammad hijab who is well known all over the muslim world now

he has a following of half a million he Said he was sitting there right there standing at the foot of our ladder you can see him on the video just go up on founder film so our film my youtube channel watch to see what he does he goes outside of the group he says all the muslims come here come here do not look at what they're showing you do not listen to a word they're saying i will tell you everything well that was in 2016. last year in 2020 Four years later he went to the

leading scholar in the muslim world called yasa dr yasakari out of houston texas got his phd at yale university on the quran on this very subject it's called the gerat and and at yale university he had a crisis of faith you see at yale university they ask any question they want when you go to the muslim world they put Red lines this is what he said when muhammad hid job he said muhammad job in the interview there on july 8 2020 says i have my hand here it is blank which quran are you going to

write on my blank hand is it huffs is it is it kaloon is it before he could finish his sentence yesterday says do not ask me this question We do not talk about this in public do not film me and we're all watching this live i'm sitting there looking at it and i'm starting to go like this well done we've got an honest muslim finally and he says we have a red line in islam we don't ask certain questions we have a respect for the quran we don't go beyond certain questions but At yale university

there's no red line you can ask any question you want at yale university because that's the west that's where they're asking questions about our bible see these questions we know about don't we did we've you had these questions haven't you about the bible is there such a person as moses did he write matthew mark luke and john what about the documentary hypothesis the Jedp we've had these questions you had to learn them i had to learn them in seminary these these questions have all been asked of the bible and we've answered every one of these

questions redacted criticism source criticism this is called textual criticism historical criticism these were all asked in the there in the 1800s in germany at the two begin school well housing we're well aware of these type of criticisms and We've answered every one of those criticism if you have any doubt go get josh mcdowell's book evidence that demands a verdict it answers every one of those questions the bible has passed every test it didn't invent these these areas of study it matured them so that every other literature piece of literature could be asked this question including

the quran so we did that That was in 2016. because of what hatune showed the world because of that interview that happened just a year ago a year and a half ago as jason was going on he he said you in the east pointing to muhammad hijab you don't you have a real problem the standard is narrative which is your narrative has holds in it he admitted this to the whole world in the west he says where i live in yale university We the the the intellects of the western world has come leaps and bounds

in the last hundred years and we've got to live in this world you don't have to live in this world because you have holes in your narrative finally after 28 minutes muhammad hijab put his hand out a second time he said i still want an answer which quran which is the quran that's eternal which is the quran that's in heaven which is The one of these 30 that is the one that was revealed to muhammad which is the one that was canonized by uthman yasakari had to come up with an answer he finally said they're

all the quran [Music] all 30 of them you take a little bit of this you take a little bit of that you take a little bit of these dots and those vowels and these dots and those you just mix them up and that's the Quran and i just started clapping see what yasakari doesn't know is what we know see no muslim has done what we've done our team has gone back and we started to look at them we have a team in australia we have a team in britain and my team here that's all over

the world we're now looking here are two of those qurans these are the two most popular qurans in the world today this one i've got it upside down let's put it right side up so you can Read sky no you can all read arabic so you want to make sure i have it right side up this is huffs this is now memorized by 95 of the muslims in the world today huffs this man huff's that's his name he was one that wrote this quran he wrote this in 796 muhammad died in 632 that's 146 years

after muhammad he wrote this book he did not write this book in arabia because this down here the arabic that's in this book does not come from here the Arabic that's in this book comes from this part of the world well why does it come from this part of the world well because there's water up here and where there's water there's vegetation and where there's vegetation there are people when there are people there are towns in their cities and there is written text this is known as nabateen aramaic this text this quran arabic that's in

this book which is in the quran today because this is the Quran the official quran that was chosen in 1924 let me repeat that 1924 that's not even 100 years ago that's 97 years ago this was chosen as the official text have none of you heard this before see no muslims abdullah you've never heard this either what does this do to your quran this is a man-made book written by a man who lived in not in arabia he lived way over here in kufa Which is just southwest of baghdad and this you say is eternal

what about this one here this is wash this is memorized all over north africa why because it comes from cairo way up here in egypt it was written in 8 12. just between these two books abdul there you listen to amina the two of you when you go home you can talk about it and you can ask whether or not you really want to follow this book anymore just Between these two books there are 5 000 different words which means 5 000 different sentence which means 5 000 different meanings which means this is as human-made

as you can get this has nothing to do with god and we can throw it away it gets even better than that because see then these two books have just come out these two books have just come out in the last 10 years actually 20 years And this one i had something to do with this is from the german school the germans have finally now started to look at the crime and they're going and taking all the dots away and taking all the violence away and guess what they're fine they're going back to the resume

they're going back to the skeletal text but they don't want you to know this because this is not in english this is all in german and what they have found these are Syriac scholars one is named dr christian christopher luxembourg the other one is named dr gunter luling dr christian luxembourg i'm sorry dr christophe dr gunter ling sorry is a good friend of mine i know him personally i've been to his home i actually helped translate this book i didn't do the translation i commissioned it to get translated i got it translated this is his

doctoral thesis He went and took off all the dots and just looked at the skeleton text which is what you should do isn't that right as a textual critic you go back to the original text am i correct no you wouldn't know this but he does you know this isn't it see as a christian we do this with the bible don't we we go back to the greek text right not the latin vulgate we go back to the greek text the sinaiticus the alex and dranas the vaticanus that's The the original well it's not the

origin but it's the closest to the original so he went back to the closest to the original and guess what he found when you take off all the dots when you take off the vowels and you just go back to the text he found out that this is not to do with arabic anyways this is syriac oh aramaic the original test is syriac aramaic which is the theological language of the Byzantine christians from the fifth sixth and seventh century and it turns out when he looked at all these beautiful poetry that's in the quran about

30 of the quran is made up of poetry guess what he found every one of those poems stroof for stroke line for line are christian hymns written in christian syriac aramaic in the fifth and sixth century Taken and ripped out of the aramaic and then put into arabic which only started to exist in the seventh century started adding the dots and vowels and almost all of them are about jesus christ they're all about jesus christian hymns like what you're singing today written in syriac and then introduced and eradicated much of its theologies destroyed by the

Arabic in the 8th century crystal luxembourg did the same thing with the rest of the quran the dark passages 25 of the quran even the muslim scholars don't understand today so he was curious so he's a a scholar of aramaic he's taught it and when he went back and ripped all the dots out and ripped all the vowels out and then he went back to the lexicon and he reintroduced it in syriac he was able to find every one Of those references to god the biblical stories he could go back and source every one of

them and most of them are what we know today as christian lectionaries written in the fifth and sixth century for liturgy in the church all praising jesus that's just been found in the last few years we're just now introducing that on my youtube site this week coming out of the german school because We can't read german so we're getting german scholars to translate it for us you see what i've just done to the quran not only is this book the quran a book written by men it was first written by christians taken out of its

christian environment interposed with arabic teaching eradicated in what they have done to the quran what they see the quran really is the karina karyana is the name for the Recitation in syriac quran means recitation in arabic they've taken the lectionaries the karyana and put it into the quran arabic and they eradicated all the references to jesus and put instead the prophet of god the plague one of god and four times they even referred to him as muhammad but what is muhammad mean in arabic it means the praised one this is not a name this is

a title referring to jesus christ Now can you see what this does to the quran are you following me i know it's a little difficult especially for you i mean eliza but i'm not sure if you do abdul you can ask your wife when you get home can you see what's going on here i'm destroying the quran and all i'm doing is textual criticism taking a book all of it written up here where all the people live where all the civilizations Are where christianity flourished judaism flourished taking it away from here and putting it up

here and what we're now doing is we're destroying the quran and we need to bring it home we need to bring it back to its original text back to jesus christ that's my job that's not your job let us the polemicist do that you just defend jesus You just defend the bible let us confront the quran let us confront muhammad and let us confront mecca let's pray our heavenly father we want to thank you for what you're doing we want to thank you lord that we can worship you rory i want to ask you that

as we continue to confront the koran as we continue to confront muhammad and as we continue to confront mecca these are the Things that are going that we are going to shut down islam and everything we do may we represent you in christ's name we pray amen now before i go i just want to say real quickly if you do want in low more we have a book table back there my wife judy will be there we have these cards and this is where you can find fander films founder films all this new material is

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