Dismantling Islam: Session 1

You guys excited for this morning awesome well I just want to start by uh giving a little introduction to this morning and laying out some context you guys all know that that on October 7th a tragedy happened from Gaza there was an attack on Israel by Hamas that killed many many many Jewish people and now today the world is watching Israel and what we're seeing ironically is Muslims everywhere have become more and more emboldened to share their faith because the question is what is at the root of what Happened at that attack and the truth

is it's an ideology the enemies are not the Muslims themselves but it is the ideology it is Islam and so that is why we're having this evening something you may not realize is that in mosques and Across the Nation across the world Muslims gather way more often than Christians gather and they have topics Like why the Trinity is false how Jesus did not die on the cross why the Bible was not inspired by God but it has contradictions these are the type of topics that they get together and they discuss and us as Christians need

to be prepared with arguments to talk about these things and so that's why today we've brought an expert with us us Dr J Smith who I'm going to be introducing in just A moment but you guys need to remember that you're hearing a lot about politics today but the that is just the fruit of the issue the root is the ideology the root of the issue is the world view the root of the issue is Islam and so before Dr J comes out would you join me in prayer father we come before you this morning

Lord and we are thankful that we are able to gather here in a country That still provides us the freedom to be able to have a discussion a teaching like this Lord Lord we know that we're living in the last days and that you're coming soon but until that day comes Lord God you've asked us to have an answer for the hope that is within us us and so Lord I pray that you would just anoint this morning Lord God that this would be just A fire hose of Truth and God may this be like

a ripple effect Lord as the truth goes out and is planted into the hearts and minds of all of us here Lord would we take that truth and Lord would we be able to spread that to those that are around us Lord our Muslim neighbors our Muslim co-workers those that we are going to encounter and Lord may we not fear but Lord as your word says perfect love casts out all Fear Lord God May the love of God compel us to share with them the truth that we're going to hear this this morning Lord we

lift up the nation of Israel to you and the tragedy that has come upon that Nation Lord we know that it didn't catch you by surprise Lord that you are sovereign you're in control but because of the Free Will That you've given us as human beings there's evil on this in this world and so Lord we pray for all of those who have been affected by this evil and Lord may you use each of us Lord God to bring righteousness Lord to bring goodness into this world while so many are spending their their lives plotting

and planning how to make their evil schemes a reality in people's lives Lord may we spend our lives doing the same For righteousness sake so Lord we thank you for this morning may you be glorified in Jesus name amen amen really quick there's going to be a PowerPoint up on the screen pretty soon that Dr J is going to present if you want that PowerPoint um we're actually going to send it to your email so there's nothing that you need to do uh you've you've already registered for the event and so we'll send you the

email uh with the PowerPoint attached to it a link um Dr J has taught numerous courses at the University level on Islam for years he open a debated the radical Muslims in London at speaker corner and today he travels the globe sharing his groundbreaking research in some of the most hard-to-reach Muslim countries in the world please give a warm welcome for our dear friend of this church Dr J Smith thanks I'm going to I'm going to go Ahead okay terrific well one of the reasons I'm here today is because back in September before the atrocities

of October the 7th I was here to do a Wednesday night and at that time we we wanted to introduce this new historical material that seems like no one's ever seen or no one's ever heard though we've been working with it for over 25 years actually 28 years I've been working with it And then of course the atrocities happened on October the 7th and you know the rest the story but to understand what was happening or what was going on in the minds of those men who were coming in and and uh attacking the Jews

so barbarically and to understand why all over the world and there were Muslims who were going to the streets and praising those attacks to understand that and here's here's where many Americans are are Having a difficulty you need to go back really to just this book right here this is it it's all right here how many of you have read this book in English just raise your hands very few of you and that's the problem you're not going to understand the mindset of Islam until you read their Revelation this is their Eternal Revelation this is

the Revelation that every Muslim must follow whether they are radical or nominal possibly not the Liberals but 99.9 9% of all Muslims follow this book but the vast majority of Muslims don't read this book because in order to read it you have to do it in Arabic and only 15% of Muslims speak Arabic it's the radicals over here who are the ones who are reading this book and they're reading it in Arabic and they understand it in Arabic and they're the ones who are actually finding verse after verse after verse Like chapter 9: 5 slay

the unbeliever wherever you find them besiege them lay in wait for them with every kind of Ambush there's no dictat of who you're to slay it says slay the unbelievers that's everybody that's not a Muslim chapter 9: 29 in more specific make war on the alab that would be the people of the book that's us they're to make war Upon Us chapter 8 verse 60 use any steeds of War to call tear to cause Terror in the heart they're to use Terror chapter 8:39 slay the unbeliever until there is no more fitna no more unbelief

and all believe in Allah so these are General categories with General applications for all Muslims and all believers the unbelievers that's us can you see then why those who are reading this book are doing what they're doing chapter 47: 1 2 and 3 defines who a Believer is a Muslim believer is and who a unbeliever is and then verse four says cut off the heads of the Unbelievers were you wondering why Isis was doing just that chapter 5:33 for those who do not follow Allah or his Prophet crucify them and cut off their hands and

feet from opposite ends remember Isis doing that in Syria and yet everybody thought this was just barbarism no it's not barbarism for the Muslim who follows this book you've got to read the book now would we not say the same thing as Christians to know who we believe to know what we're To do what do we do we read a better book you notice a bigger book I keep it bigger for a reason the bigger the better book and when Jack Hib comes up here does he not have this book in his hand please say

yes does he not open it and read it please say yes does he not execute it for you and can you read it in your own lung in your own tongue yes you can read it in English you can read it in any language you want that's the difference between these two books this Is a book to be read this is a book to be followed by everybody all of us are to read this book yes and we're to follow the person in this book his name is Jesus Christ now the Muslims are to read

this book but they never do the only time they will read this book the vast majority that 85% is to memorize it in a language they don't understand understand so in order to understand what's going on in the world right now You've got to read the book but not just read the book Follow The Man Behind the book and his name is Muhammad that's why today what we're going to do is we're going to confront both the book and the man I have to confront those two I've been doing it for 40 years this has

been my work this has been my whole life I'm a pist pist is someone who goes on on the on the attack I have a doctorate in this area I'm the only one in the world that has a Doctorate in Islamic pmics and that means to go on the offense much like your football team defense would be apologetics offense would be pmics I'm a pist and an apologist too but I don't want you to confront this book internally I'm not going to ask you to do that today I'm not going to ask you to open

its pages and read the reads the verses and then try to execute it I don't want you to get into theolog debate let others do that cuz then you Will have to know Arabic and I know none of you want to learn Arabic that's one of the biggest fears I get wherever I go and I want people to work in Islam I just don't want to learn Arabic I don't want you to have to learn Arabic either what I want you today is to look at the material I'm going to introduce which has nothing to

do with Arabic oh I might show a few words here and there but I'm going to help you read them real clear fa so you can see why they differ that's About it what what's more everything I'm going to introduce this morning has to do with historical criticism the same criticisms that were applied against our Bible and against Jesus Christ in the 1800s I'm going to use redactive criticism today Source form and especially textual criticism now these are big words don't don't worry you won't even know that I'm doing it but these are the criticisms

that Were being used by the Germans in tubigan University there in the 1800s well housing the documentary hypothesis these were the criticisms that were attacking our Bible attacking our lord Jesus attacking the historicity of whether he lived or died whether he lived in Jerusalem and rose again all these attacks that were coming in the late 1800s decimated the church so but n by 1905 the church almost got eradicated in Europe and never really has recovered in the last 100 years it's only about 5 to 7% that go to church in Europe because of historical criticism

and darwinian ISM see th those criticisms however have been answered we have in the last 100 years we have answered every one of those criticisms that's why today we can now take those same criticism and apply them to Islam and that's what I'm going to do this morning so everything I'm going to Do today has to do with manuscripts has to do with coins has to do with inscriptions has to do with buildings and yes maps and timelines which means you're going to have to look at the screens like I said before don't look at

me just follow the screens and follow what's on the PowerPoint as we go through I will go a lot slower than I did in September I walked up the aisle and people said are you going to go slower Please go slower we couldn't follow you so I promise I will go slower I have four hours to get through it but George wants me to make sure I show you these books this is the one I showed you back in uh September this is the DVD series looking at the Bible in history looking at the British

museum I lived there for 25 years and we had a tour of the British museum where we just unpacked all the amazing artifacts artifact that supported 1 and 2 Kings 1 and 2 Chronicles uh the book of Isaiah enormous amount of reference after reference that supported who Abraham was so that's the DVD series there s Sam Solomon is a great friend of mine and he wrote this book here it's it it looks at the mosque but it looks at the importance of this structure for the Muslim Community and he came out of Islam this man

had me memorized the Quran by heart in Arabic and Udu and in English all three languages so he can Recall any verse at any time what amazing man he is good friend of mine lives in London this is another book that just came out in 2019 some of this I'm going to use today in fact I'm kind of glad I have it in my hand so I can hold it up so I'm going to unpack what Dr Dan Brewbaker did with in this book just 22 examples of looking at the manuscript variant these are the

these are the consonantal variants and this one by abdah AB aladi is the Quran Infallible one probably one of the standard classic books that we all use I usually give this book to people who are just beginning in how to to deal with the Quran great books they're in the book table in the back make sure you sell them out because he's flown all the way from North Carolina Carolina just to help you out with these books and many many more that he has on the table so let's get right into the PowerPoint and basically

we're going to Do a historical critique of Islam's origin now to do that let me just give you example of why I'm even doing this back when I was asked to go to London we my wife and I had been working in West Africa in sagol and we were asked to come to London because there was a real radicalizing form of Islam that was on all the doorsteps what I mean by that it wasn't English who were radicalizing it was Indians pakistanis and bangladeshis who Had all immigrated to England uh as the colonial power England

then opened its doors after 1947 and allowed many of these to come and settle in England and many had particularly Muslims so much so that in a city like London with 10 to 14 million people 1 million of them are Muslims a tenth of the population of London is now Islamic and as people were going door too they were coming across a very radical form of Islam when I say radical I mean Orthodox form of Islam Radical root they go back to the root they basically are Muslims that go back to this book and they

were reading this book and they were applying it and they are the ones that were actually causing a lot of problems and have been calling causing a lot of problems in Britain if you've been watching the news you will see over and over again we've had attack after attack after attack we have our number 77 you have 911 July the 7th 2005 when four young men came and blew Themselves up and killed 52 people there in London now this because of that they needed some help I had by that time I had a masters in

apologetics and another Masters in islamics melding the two together I was a perfect fit to go to London and to kind take these guys and gals on and boy was it fun for 25 years I I was every down down at place called Speakers Corner where they all came and congregated and I got up on a little Ladder oh about the size of well these little kitchen ladders that you have in your kitchen just two rungs so my head was above the par uh the crowd and I would then engage with them sometimes a hundred

at a time sometimes a thousand at a time and we would be engaging in all of these questions that they were throwing at me but I had no support I had no background I had no apologetics for these kind of questions because there's no school in the world that Teaches you Islamic apologetics am I correct well that was in 1992 now in 2023 we have a school and we are teaching Islamic apologetics and it belongs to you all because it is part of veritos International University which is your Seminary did you know that you didn't

know that did you you've got a seminary called veritos International University for all the Calvary Chapel churches we have now put an entire program together at veritos in called Mapi master of arts in ISL uh in apologetics and polemics to Islam the first in the world and it's a Calvary Chapel Venture now that was back in 1992 we didn't have answers for that back then and I didn't had no idea how to deal with this new material so we kind of had to learn by the seat of our P just do it take a little

notebook hear all the questions go home there was no internet back then so we had to go to our Commentaries we had to get on the phone get to anybody we could say how do you answer this how do you answer this how do you answer this and then finally by building up our apologetics we were became more and more able then in 1994 I started taking a class called the origins of Islam at the school of Oriental African studies there in university of London under a man named Dr Gerald hating I thought this is

curious I'd like to see what they're Talking about what do you mean the origins of Islam we all know how Islam began right don't you began with a man named Muhammad right who received Revelation correct over a period of 22 years 610 to 632 that's what you've been told right so I went in thinking that this is just be another rehash of the Islamic Traditions the first day that we were there he said do you know when you look at the Dome of the Rock now you've all seen that big structure the Dome of The

Rock right there in the middle of Jerusalem it has no kiah which means it has no direction of prayer how can you have a MOS that doesn't have a kiblah every mosque is directed towards Mecca the kiah wall is the longest wall on every mosque and that that's where you always pray towards Mecca doesn't matter where you are in the world every mosque has a kibet but this didn't and then he said you know that we don't have any reference to a guy named Muhammad at all in the seventh century we have no biography at

all from the seventh or 8th we have to go to the ninth Century to get his first biography have you heard this before I start scratching my head I hadn't heard this before well in the class for 50 students 25 of them were Muslims they hadn't heard it before either and they were not at all pleased with what what they were hearing and one after another they got up went to the door walked out the door And slammed the door behind them and said that some very unpleasant things to our professor and I looked at

this watching these guys go one after another and I said this is amazing these guys have no answer for this why haven't I been taught this and I realized back in 1994 that I needed to take this down so I started taking it down to Speaker's Corner to try to test it and I got beat up up I got KN knocked unconscious my glasses were broken That's expensive when you get glasses broken and I realized that's the only answer they had was to get beat me up they had no response to this because in order

to respond to this they're going to have to go back to the seventh century to find artifacts to find any type of evidence to support who this man was what this book was and where this place was so this is when I realized what a great what a great material not only that what a great pmic this Was well not all the Christians agreed with me and the Christians in Britain got quite upset with me so in 1997 this chap up here that you see on the upper hand now named Colin chap by the way

he's a great friend of mine we get along well but being very English he wanted to debate this so we had a debate at Birmingham at uh at C Oaks calling College in Birmingham just for other Christians it was only for Christian Scholars and Christian missionaries and I was to debate Dr Reverend David Marshall who you see on the left there yeah that's what I looked like back then I was trying to look like a Muslim that was my I was trying to incart my myself and I was a radical Muslim at that time listen

my wife never liked that look so that's why I decided to cut it down she could never find my mouth to kiss me so we had this debate in 1997 and the the debate was on the issue of whether or not we should could use Historical criticism and whether or not we should use pmics with Muslims because pmics causes anger pmics just drives Muslims away and historical criticism look what it did to the church look what it did to our scriptures why use something that damaged our scriptures so much and I had to scratch my

head and said hold on a minute what what historical criticism are you looking at are you still stuck back in the 1900s come to the 21st century we've Answered every one of those criticisms and as far as pmics what do you think Paul was doing in bua lap lap leoda capid doia in Ephesus every church he went into he went right into the synagogue and he confronted the Jews with what they had done that's pmics Paul's whole Ministry was in pmics was it not yes they threw him out of the synagogue sometimes they threw him

into jail he got whipped many times twice They try to Stone him to death he caused a riot there in Ephesus and they finally killed him in Rome you don't get stoned you don't get T cuse riots unless you're using pmics his whole Ministry was pmics and if that's what Paul did in the first century shouldn't we be using it in the 21st century amen so I argued this way and of course Dr Reverend David Marshall argued against me at the end they did a show of hands and they wanted to see who would go

with which side 25 Went with me and 25 went with Dr David Marshall and it was cut went right down the line between the academics and the missionaries who would you guess went with me the missionaries or the academics Miss oh good for you you're the first group that gets it that's right the missionaries all went with me and all the academics went with David Marsh I wonder I was curious about that so Dr Peter Reddell was in the car with me on the way home and he explained it To me he's an academic and

he said Jay this is the problem we as academics we have a chair to protect we are belong in an institution where there are also other Muslims who are lecturers like us we cannot use pmics it would cause division within the Academia and we would as be asked to leave therefore we cannot use pmics because of the chair that we prict and the institution that we represent you however you're not an academic you're just a missionary on the Ground and the only person you're representing is Jesus Christen can you see why this really is our

material we're the ones that have to use this and that was back in 1997 I never looked back and that's why from then on we have been using this material but why the historical critique why specifically this one what is its value well first of all it confronts the foundations of Islam it confronts the book of the man we need to confront Those too because of what we're seeing all over the news every day now those men and those women who are sending those Rockets up where do you think they get the Vu where do

you think to get the permission to do that it's straight out of the Quran therefore you've got to confront the Quran yes you can confront them also on the ground but sooner or later you're going to have to confront their ideology which motivates them and that's what we're not doing and our Militaries can't do that cuz you cannot confront ideology with bombs bullets and cruise missiles you can maintain security but at some point you're going to have to shut down Hamas you're going to have to shut down the radicals I just came from Nigeria on

Monday I was in Nigeria and I was also in South Africa for a whole month my wife is still waiting for me bless her heart and in Nigeria I went to Lagos I went to to Abuja and then we went to Jos Which is surrounded by bah Haram and folks they are in a battle there you need to pray for Nigeria don't go unless you really need to go it's not a pleasant place to go to but there in Nigeria are three 232 million people that's the largest country in Africa 110 million Muslim by far

the largest Muslim population in anywhere in Africa and they're coming south they're moving down they now about ready to take over Jose and that's why They asked me to come we need help they said we need help and I saw one of the best men I could ever see one of the best Warriors for God his name is Apostle they always call everybody Apostles there Apostle Isa Al buba Isa El buba just just Google his name when you get home and look and see what a big man he is he's a tall 6'6 he used

to be a Muslim he's left Islam he has a big baritone voice and he has a church that's 15 stories high with a cross at The very top that dominates the skyline there in Jo and he is confronting Islam every day that's why he asked me to come and help him he need this help he needed this new material we were late because our plane got cancelled which happens all the time in Nigeria and we had to take go Overland which they don't like me to do and so we got in there late and he

was right there in front of hundreds of people and he was going through all the Apologetics on how to defend the Bible how to confront the Quran right there in front of me I said why do you need me he says because we need this material this man had has had nine attempts on his life nine attempts he has survived he is a warrior for God we don't have that problem here yet yet so we're going to make sure that uh that we continue to go back we now have six young men who have now

joined me we're training them up on how to use this Material all over Nigeria it confronts the very foundations of Islam more than more than that it is neutral in other words anybody can use this material I'm going to introduce today anybody can use it cuz it's is really answering three questions is it true that's all it's answering it is politically correct and then you'll notice I won't say anything against Muhammad today I'm not going to say anything against the Quran today I'm not going to say anything against Muslims I'm not going to use any

hate speech nothing I'm going to say is islamophobic you'll see that's why it's so easy to use it doesn't attack Muslims yeah I do not use hate speech and I will not be islamophobic it is easy to communicate you will see almost everything I'm going to show you is visual that's why I want you to look at the screens as we go through this talk don't look at me I'm not important it's what's on the screens that is Important and also we have the best and the only antidote we are the only ones that have

the answer to this and we are the only ones that have an alternative because we have also got a book like much better than their book we also have a man much better than their man so why are we going to study it well there's this great Pro uh this great poem by Robert Frost I won't go through the whole PR poem except for the last verse you all remember it he goes into a woods And he sees two paths and he wants to know which path he should take one path has a lot of

briers on it and lots of it looks like it's never been used in years and years and the other path was quite well used it's dirt it's easy to go everything has been leveled out so which path is he going to use he decides to go to the path that no one has taken I should be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence two roads diverged in the wood and I I took the One less travel by and that has made all the difference we have to take the road that no one

has done we have to take this material this is something no one else wants to use no one else wants to go here because they're fearful of Islam and we're going to take the road that no one has bothered to take because everything I'm going to be saying today is going to confront the Islamic narrative I'm going to be confronting The Islamic Traditions I'm going to be confronting everything that you have heard about Islam Today We Choose the road Let's Travel by and in time you'll see why so the four areas I'm going to go

to are the first are the problems with sources I'll then move on to Mecca from there to Muhammad and the problem with the Quran so let's go ahead and let's talk about what is it we're referring to well to understand what Islam believes and Where they're going you have to go to their standard Islamic narrative don't you love that s i n sin we're going to have to confront sin the Islamic traditions for both all radicals and nominals and liberals to understand what their what the stand Islamic narrative say you need to go and ask

what they've been saying for the last 1400 years they say 1400 we're going to change that today what they say is this all Muslims whether they are radical or nominal Maybe not the Liberals are say that Muhammad was the last he was the greatest prophet he was the final Prophet sent in 570 when he was born and up until 6:32 when he died he was sent to basically to model Islam for the world and also to receive the Quran those are really his two pieces of work now he didn't meant much more than that as

you'll see from the Traditions but that's his primary those were his primary functions it was that Revelation That he received between 610 and 632 which is considered to be the greatest Revelation this is the final Revelation this is the Revelation to correct this Revelation is what they say so this was sent to correct this and every Muslim will agree to that that's why why because we have corrupted God's holy word at one time this used to equal this at one time this had everything that this had but we changed it we manipulated we ACC Creed

it Deleted it corrupted it so therefore this book had to be sent to bring it back to its original text that's what they all say and then of course as a result Islam as they say is that final religion based on Muhammad's life what he did what he said that what he did would be the sunna what he said would be the Hadith and the quran's teachings conclusion thus AB Islam is dependent really on three things the Quran watches the book Muhammad which Would be the man and Mecca the place I'm adding Mecca in there

for a reason you'll see why Mecca I think is probably the best one to use because obviously it is still existing today so to in order to confront these three areas which are foundational to Islam we need to go back to when these three things existed they all existed in the 7th Century Mecca was there in the 7th Century according to Islam Muhammad was there in the 7th Century moving from Mecca to Medina in 622 and dying in 632 also the Quran was there because if you take the Quran and you just split it in

half go like this this now this is an Arabic so goes this direction goes the opposite direction this would be Medina which would be the city he received it in in Medina from 622 to 632 this part the second part would be meccan this is the part he received uh revealed to him when he was in Mecca from 610 to 622 so 12 years here then he moved to this one And 10 years here why does he go backwards because it goes by size not by chronology so that's why it's important that we look at

the Quran revealed to Muhammad in those two cities uh those two cities are in central western Arabia known as the hijaz so let's start with the sources where did all this information come from where did all these stories come from to do that we need to look at this map so look at this map I my I can't use this It's not working this this laser it is but it's not powerful enough to show on the screens but according to Islam look at the brown area there that is where Muhammad's Empire was you can see

it on both of the screens there so it only included really just the northern part of the hijaz all the way down to Yemen not much area but it did include both Mecca and Medina the two major cities the two most important cities when he died in 632 then abub bakar Umar utman And Ali took over the next four cffs the Four Kings and they expanded the borders to the orange area so it by the time that Ali died in 661 when he was killed at the Battle of cfin Islam was controlled from Tripoli in

the west there you can see all the way up over by uh by in the Mediterranean Sea all the way over to Afghanistan in the east from Turkey in the north all the way down to Yemen in the South that was the area that they controlled and that's the area I am most concerned with because we're moving up into 661 now really everything should be in place by 661 we should have the book The Man the place everything should be in its category atories because everything we look at Islam Today follows from that those two

periods the period of Muhammad and the period of what they call the rightly guided calebs Abu Bakr umman and Ali so both the brown and the orange area that's a pretty big Empire isn't It but it didn't stop there when muya comes to power he introduces the umay cipit which according to every Muslim was the first real Islamic cipit the first real Islamic Kingdom he's living in Damascus and he spreads the borders along with those who come after him so During the umay period the purple area comes into play and so they expanded the borders

During the umaya period for the next 100 years up until 750 to include Andalucia which is Spain today and to Include all the way over almost to the Indus River in India or Pakistan today so that's why we need to look at that map memorize that map can you get it keep it in your head so I'll be looking at the Brown area the orange area and a little bit of the purple area that's what we're interested in according to the timeline of Islam's emergence we know that what they tell us is that Muhammad was

born in 570 the Quran was revealed in 610 he then goes Up to the seven Heavens meets Allah gets 50 prayers bounces between Moses and Allah and gets it down to five prayers comes back down to Jerusalem and then fall FES back on the winged horse called the buak back down to Mecca that happens in 621 known as The Mirage he then moves with 80 to some say as many as 200 of his followers to from Mecca to Medina in 622 called the Hijra conquers Mecca without firing a shot in 630 and then dies in

632 that's His life now I'm just giving you the Bare Bones all right I don't have time to go through everything but those are the major categories those are the major events in his life when he dies suddenly Abu Bakr has to take over he lasts for two years he dies suddenly Umar then takes over he lasts for only 12 years he is killed uthman takes over he lasts for 12 years he is killed but while he is living he is the one that writes and this book and then this this is the Recension so

he is the one that creates the final Quran basically 20 years after Muhammad had created it sorry not Muhammad Muhammad didn't create the Quran he never wrote it down it never was never written down when he was alive it was written down by Abu Baka right after him so this book here is the book that all Muslims believe comes from utman 652 we'll get back into that when we get into The Chronic material uh after the Break and then after he is killed Ali takes over only lasts for 5 years he is killed and 661

and that is the end of what we know is the Golden Age of Islam this is the age that every Muslim wants to get back to this is known as the rashidun period this is the Golden Era and as you notice it is it goes up till 661 so by this time everything is formed we have all the traditions we have the hi by this time we have the S by this time everything muhammmad did everything He said all the four schools of law all of this should be inculcated and standardized by 661 do you

agree just say yes just for today all right so everything we know about Islam should be now finalized by this period but here's the problem was it can we say yes to that how do we know where all these stories come from and I'm just giving you the Bare Bones I could go on all day telling you story after story after story that Happened between 610 and 661 or 624 when the The Chronic the Islamic State was instituted to 661 that 40-year period how do we know where does it come from I would imagine that

you would want eyewitnesses to have written this down am I correct eyewitness would be pretty good wouldn't it we demand that of Jesus don't we we want eyewitness account of what Jesus did and what he said and that's why we have Matthew that's why we have John Matthew and John were right There right they were eyewitnesses they wrote what they saw Mark and Luke got it from the eyewitnesses if we demand that for Jesus shouldn't we demand that also for Muhammad so why aren't we because most Muslims would say these are eyewitnesses everything that was

written about these events was all done by eyewitnesses but were they here we go let's see now I'm just going to be using Islamic sources from here on out okay these are what the Muslims tell us I'm Not going to make up any of this so what they say is this Muhammad died in 632 obviously we needed a biography about him he's now dead in 632 you must write down his life so hopefully hopefully hopefully we'll get someone who was there in 632 right writing it down no we don't this is the guy that wrote

it down I isak do you see him there what are his dates 765 is when he died that's 130 years too late that's not even the same Century but we don't Even have anything from IB isak nothing we don't have one word not one letter we don't have one page of anything he wrote down we have to go to this guy here IB Isam IB Isam died in 833 are you beginning to see a problem here folks 833 for the first writing of what Muhammad did the first biography that's 200 years too late isn't it

there's another biography alwaki but he died in 83 835 we have nothing from IB isak since We have nothing let's just get rid of him goodbye he doesn't exist because there's nothing there about him we have to go to these two guys what about the sayings maybe they're a little better because at least the sayings we have for Jesus Christ whenever you see Matthew Mark Luke and John whenever he Jesus speaks you we write it in red letters don't we some in some of our Bibles that's the sayings of Jesus so certainly someone should have

heard what he was Saying who are the first ones to write it down the first one is this guy here Al bhari 870 that's the late 9th century oh you have others like s Muslim and ALS 884 maah 887 Abu da 899 Anissa 915 everything we know about what Muhammad said comes from 240 years and later did any of these guys know Muhammad did they even live in the same Century Muhammad lived so where did they get their material from I'll Tell you Muslims will tell you Al bhari was given 600,000 Akbar that means stories

about what Muhammad said and he was to look at the 600,000 and throw away what he did not like and only retained what he liked so from 600,000 he Whitted it down to 7,397 7,397 from 600,000 which means he threw out 98% of it and only retained 2% what was his criteria what happened to the other 98% you'd like to know Wouldn't you and why did he throw him away that's why we're asking this question and you need to ask this question and you need to hold Muslims accountable everything they know about what their Prophet

did everything they know about what their Prophet said comes from two to 240 years too late but we have two more genre we also have the which are the commentaries on the Quran explaining the Quran because the Quran you just can't understand try to read it And see if you understand it even in English hard to understand 25% of it even the scholars don't understand the Muslim Scholars have noidea idea what a quarter of it means so you need T right away you need to have commentaries commentaries to explain it they were first introduced by

this guy here alabar and then the the histories of all mankind were first introduced by alabar others come after it like zakari suti BWI others but he is the first to write It down they all come post 29 923 so everything we know about Muhammad is 200 years too late I'm going to put this guy up here AB Malik we're going to talk about him because he is the one that really introduces Muhammad to us he is the one that actually introduces the name on The Dome of the Rock on the coins and on the

protocols look at his date he does that in 692 that's 60 years after Muhammad supposedly died do you see a problem there if that's the first Time we hear this name for not for 60 years boy that's a little troubling can you imagine not hearing anything about Jesus Christ for the first century if he died in 33 ad we wouldn't have heard anything until the beginning of the second century about his name how would we defend him that's exactly what they're dealing with but the people that really created the Muhammad we're looking at today the

Muhammad of Islam the Muhammad of Mecca that Muhammad were These people the abbasids and they start doing that in 750 that's the mid 8th Century so what does that mean Muhammad was revealed 84 years after the abbasids created him 141 years after he was first introduced yet 2011 years years after he supposedly lived these are all too late folks we can't accept them nobody should be able to accept them yet Muslims are not being held accountable for this these dates now can you understand why those young men were getting up and Throwing smashing the door

as they left they' never heard this before and these were academics and they never knew this material where did these guys live who were putting all this together let's look at this map the Islamic Traditions say everything happened in those two cities Mecca and Medina where the two green circles are yet we know that all of the Traditions were written in bhda which is 12200 mil to the north more than that I Isam who wrote the S the Biography he was born in basa grew up in Cairo wrote in Bagdad Cairo is 990 miles away

basa is 1200 miles away Al buhari who was the one who is the first to write the Hadith down he comes from bhara which is in usbekistan that's 2,600 miles away Al who is the one that introduces the the last two genres he was born and grew up in tabaristan Northern Iran today that's 1700 miles away none of the traditional writers lived or worked in Mecca or medina they Were too far to the North of Mecca and came from the West and East of Bagdad all of them all of these northern areas are where the

abbasids originate these are Abbasid writers and what they wrote is what the abased wanted this is the Abbasid narrative so everything we're depended on comes from people who introduce this man introduce what he did introduce what he said after 750 that's a whole hundred years after Muhammad supposed he lived does that bother any Of you please say yes it should bother every one of us and that's why as historians we've got to ask these historical questions now you might say we have the same problem no we don't we have the same genre we have the

Hadith and the S of Jesus the S would be Matthew Mark Luke and John what they wrote about Jesus we have the Hadith as I said ear year what Jesus said in the red letters Matthew Mark Luke and John we have the T of Jesus which would be Paul's letters whenever took what Jesus said Paul took it and applied it he he applied it to Ephesus he applied it to Philippi he applied it to Colossus and Corinth and also to Rome did he not that's called T that's called the commentaries the application of the Gospel

of Jesus Christ in every one of those cities and we also have the which would be the histories the book of Acts the history of the early church so the four same genre that Islam has we have As well so let's ask the same question so when were these and these and of Jesus written down I'm going to give you the dates but I'm going to step on your toes you're not going to like my dates please don't get angry with me every time I say this someone gets up and gets angry with me so

please keep calm I'm going to put the most liberal dates I can find just to make a point all right so let's start with the which would be the history of The early church the book of Acts written by Luke between 52 and 60280 that's 20 to 30 years after Christ's death that's pretty early isn't it yes how about the Paul's letters to Corinth and Philippi and Ephesus and to Rome written between 48 and 6580 thus within 15 to 34 years of Christ's death that's very early isn't it then we get the first of what

we know is the Hadith and the s written by Mark in 70 AD that's 37 years after Christ's death then you get The other two sah and Hadith written by Matthew and Luke that's that's 80 ad within 30 I mean 47 years of Christ's death and the last one would be the Gospel of John written about 90 ad that's 57 years after Christ's death what that means is that everything we know about Jesus's and all of those four genre about Jesus were written within 29 to 57 years they were all written within 60 years of

Christ's Death you see how great we have more than that all of the New Testament writers lived in the same place Jesus lived they did not live hundreds of miles north they were there where he lived they saw him they heard him and they either knew him personally like Matthew and John or they got the material from others who saw what he did and heard what he said as a comparison just doing the comparison when we look at these biographies and these sayings Christianity has everything in place about who Jesus was what he did what

he said where he went within 60 years Islam knows nothing about Muhammad to doesn't begin to hear about Muhammad but for two to 300 years after his death which is more authoritative comparison like with like hands down were more authorative and those are the most liberal dates I could find in fact as a comparison if we had to depend on sources for Jesus what he Said did and and where he went comparable to what Muslims have for their Muhammad what he said did and where he went Jesus would not begin to appear until the 3r

century we could not defend him and no no one would allow us to defend him if he was written so late redacted back this is called redaction written in the third century and redacted back to the first century yet that's exactly everything we know about Muhammad are all Redactions do you see how powerful this is no wonder the Muslims had to get up and walk out of the class I'm going to go even one step further I'm going to put a whole wrench into all this I just told you that ibam was the one that

wrote Muhammad's biography didn't I just say yes I did tell you that and I did say that he was he died in 833 which is 200 years too late right that's bad enough right I lied I'm sorry forgive me but I actually Lied cuz he didn't write a thing down we don't have anything written by IB Isam not one word he's as bad as IB isak so where in the world do we get this book this is the book you have to read this is the book everybody has to read if you're in a university

or you're in a seminary or any Bookshop if you want to know the life of Muhammad you have to go to the life of Muhammad the translation of IB isak even they put I isak's name there written by Alfred Guam that's the Standard work that everybody uses so where did Alfred Guam get this book from IAM not at all he didn't go to ibam he went to this gentleman right here an elderly gentan Heinrich Ferdinand westenfeld who was born in 1808 died in 1899 but between 1858 and 1860 that 2-year period he went to four

different German cities went into the libraries of those cities and grabbed whatever he could find in Arabic because he's an arabist triy to find anything he Could find about this guy named Muhammad and he put it together in that two-year period and published it in 1860 as the life of Muhammad attributing it back to IB isak when IB isak didn't write one of those P words folks the biography of Muhammad that we all use today is only 160 years old written in the late 1800s have you heard this before okay can you see how this

just destroys the legitimate the man who Muslims are dependent on to know who their Prophet is or what he did is an elderly German linguist who wrote Muhammad story 160 years ago thus over a thousand years too late thank God we don't have this problem with Jesus Christ amen but can you see why we need to get this into the open Muslims have to know this because this is just going to shut down everything they've been saying and doing what do you think Isis does when they go or baharam or Al-shabab they follow Muhammad's example

because they read his example in this book in this book you will see him going into Medina and demanding that everybody obey him though he's not from Medina and the Jews refuse to do so so he attacks the banuk Kuka family in this book and throws them out in 624 and then he attacks the anadir family in 625 and throws them out and then in 627 according to this book he then attacks The last remaining Jewish tribe the bonor ISA family takes all 800 men and slits their throat in one afternoon 800 men took the

women as slaves and their children as sorry the the women as concubines and the children as slaves by five years after moving to Medina though he was from Mecca he had pretty much eradicated all the Jews out of Medina that's called genocide and it's from that book folks and that books has nothing to do with Muhammad it has to do with Heinrich Ferdinand westenfeld a German scholar now don't blame him he was just going and grabbing words and pieces and stories about this Muhammad from the ottoman period these are all ottoman writings who came to

power in 1299 and for 700 years up until 1924 they controlled all of Islam this is their story of Muhammad but not in one form he was the first to make it into one form can you see then why we've got to Confront this Muhammad we've got to confront this Paradigm this is the Paradigm the model for all Muslims all over the world in all times and for all peoples so 12th century Scholars conclusions concerning these late dates Islam as we know it did not exist they say in the 7th Century but more than likely

evolved over a period of two to 300 years the Quran probably was not revealed to one man in 22 years but likely evolved over a period of 50 to 100 years therefore conclusion the history of Islam at least from the time of the caleff of theic that means from 685 to 705 we're talking about the late 7th Century going into the 8 century and before is a later fabrication that's their conclusions not my conclusions and look at these are the best scholars in the world today theyve come to that conclusion because of what we're going

to find so these are their concerns if so much of the history of Islam was so Late two to 300 years later why did it take so long to write it down Muslims when I asked this question he well because they were all illiterate really look at look at the land that they controlled all the way from Tripoli in the west all the way to Afghanistan in the East you have cities like Bas and Baghdad and Damascus Jerusalem Cairo are you telling me nobody can read and write in those cities wasn't there an entire Library

in Alexandria that was burned to the ground in the fifth century if you have a library you have books right so certainly you could read and write and when Muslims tell me that the was finally written down in 652 by the Secretary of Muhammad what do secretaries do they write am I correct and he wrote the Quran down first in 632 that wasn't good enough so they had to rewrite it in 652 he wrote it down and that was sent to five cities so you Can't tell me they couldn't read and write your own Traditions

tell you that the Quran was written down so you can shut that one down really quickly it's not because of illiteracy folks so where did these 9th and 10th Century writers like IB Isam Ali sah Muhammad albari Al where did they get their material from in the 9th and 10th Century they got it from the isnad have any you know what this word means I'm teaching you some Arabic but Just forget it after today because you don't have to worry about it isnads are a chain of names so in every Akbar in every story about

Muhammad there is a chain of this person got it from this person who got it from this person who got it from this person who got it from the companion of the Prophet himself chain of names it's not and every time the story is called a mattin so a mattin is what they got was sent down over two to 300 years of lists of Name we call that oral tradition right so if we were in a uh you've done this in maybe you've done this in birthday Pary if you decide to tell her something she

tells him he tells him he tells him he tell by the time I get her to him what you said and what he says is a completely different thing right you ever played that game Chinese wh sorry Chinese but telephone right it's a great game if in 15 minutes what I tell her and he tells me are two different things What happens over 200 years of oral tradition it gets embellished does it not it gets changed manipulated and what's more these list of names were only introduced were only created in the 9th century to redact

it back not one of of those names that were on that list wrote one thing down it's all basically made up that's the problem with oral tradition you should not have had to need oral tradition because these people could read and write so why did they not Write it down well because they didn't write it down and we're in a dilemma we have a whole 200 years of Silence we've decided to go back to the 7th Century to look and see what we could find now I did this debate with Dr J badawi in 1995

1995 28 years ago I did my first debate with the world's leading Authority on the Quran at Cambridge University on this very issue and before I went up to do that Debate I went to see Dr Patricia krona who is the leading Authority in the world on early the origins of Islam she reads and writes 15 languages all archaic language amazing woman only stands about this high this High maybe that high she was she was a tigress and she had written a book called Hagar ISM and then another book in 1987 called mechant trait and

the rise of Islam got death threats at Oxford University as head of Department She had to leave Oxford University this is in England of all places and had to move to Cambridge for protection isn't that something in England of all places so I went to see her the the week before the debate and I wanted to get all this material from her and so we sat down for 3 hours and we went through all the stuff I had written down she says throw that away no this is a better way here why' you use this

oh I've got this you can use after about 3 hours I turned Towards her and I said Dr clona why aren't you doing this debate this is your material you're the world's leading Authority on this and she laughed at me and she turned to me she says Jay I have a chair to protect I have an institution to represent Cambridge University I cannot do this debate even if I'm tenured I cannot you do this but you can she said the same thing that Dr Peter Adell said to me almost like she Hadd heard him she

said you are not an academic you have no chair to protect you don't belong to any institution except your church and therefore you are only represented to Jesus Christ this is an atheist telling me who I'm represented to and I looked at her and I said of course we're the only ones that can do this we have the freedom to do these kind of debates she doesn't but she does the research because I don't know 15 languages do you know 15 Languages aadan syak naan Aramaic these are languages that nobody uses today but she knows

them that's why she's so powerful so she does the research and we are her mouthpiece that's what we had to do so I went down and did that debate two hour debate Dr Jim badawi had not heard any of this I only gave 10 challenges many a lot fewer than why I'm giving today after the end of the debate after not being able to tackle any one of them he just kind of laughed at me he Says you know Jay everything you're talking about is based on silence you have nothing except silence and the absence

of evidence evidence does not prove the evidence of absence which is exactly true he had me I couldn't go any further I had nothing to throw at him I had nothing because it was all silence my only argument is why is there silence it should be screaming to be heard 200 years of Silence why he says We'll find it just give it time I says been we've been waiting 1400 years we still haven't found it see that was 1995 now we're in 202 23 we now have found the evidence and what I'm going to share

with you today is exactly that evidence we no longer are arguing from Silence so let's go back to the seventh century let's go back to where the evidence is let's stop wasting our time on the 9th and 10th Century which is redacted back to the 7th Century let's go back to when it took place let's go back to where this man lived let's go back to where this Quran was revealed let's go back to this city existed and to do that don't waste my time with ninth and E just go to the 7th century and

let's start with Mecca Mecca why Mecca of all things there's a number of reasons why we have to start with Mecca it's absolutely important because It still exists today and therefore we can still reserch it because it's now it's still there Muhammad's no longer here so we can't research him we can't ask him we can't look for him the Quran does exist but we don't have the any of the earliest manuscripts so we can't really do that but we can look at Mecca what's more remember at the very beginning I said that the that is

is based on three real legs that hold up the stool the book The Man in the place The Quran Muhammad and Mecca if you start to attack one of the legs and starts to Wobble the others two start to wobble if you destroy that one leg the other Begin to Fall what do I mean by that if we can confront is Mecca and Destroy Mecca as a viable place in the 7th Century then it doesn't matter who what Muhammad you find and you will find many muhammads it doesn't matter what Quran you find find and

you will find many books that claim to be the Quran They're not from Mecca and if they're not from Mecca it's not Islamic are you following me my remit today is really only one thing destroy Mecca and the other two come casc getting down now I'm going to go way beyond that but you see how easy this is it's as if I were to say in order to confront Jesus in the New Testament all I need to do is destroy Jerusalem if there was no Jerusalem there is no crucifixion if there's no crucifixion it Doesn't

matter what Jesus you find in the first century it doesn't matter what gospels you come across it's not the Jesus of Christianity and he did not die on the cross and if he did not die on the cross there's no there's no nothing for us to do we might as well go home do you see how damaging taking out the place if you take out the place first the other two come cascading down so let's let's confront Mecca let's start with Mecca Begin by looking at what the Muslims claim to begin with so this is

what they claim first and foremost it's the oldest city how do I know that because Adam and Eve were sent there well no at least Eve was sent there in chapter 7 in the Quran you have the Garden of Eden and it's up in space it's not on Earth isn't that interesting ours is on Earth isn't it theirs is in space what's interesting is when you look at that Garden of Ed and It's in Chapter 2 chapter 7 and chapter 20 of the Quran when you look at the Garden of Ed everything that happens on

our Garden of Eden happens in their Garden of Eden except for two things their Garden of Eden is not on Earth it's up in space that's pretty important because that means their God does not enter time in space to come and walk and talk in the cool of the day as we see in Genesis 3 God enters time and space is walking in The garden is calling out to Adam and Eve that means he had to have a pair of legs he better have a mouth and and a pair of lungs in order to call

out where are you right and he's also face to face with Adam and Eve am I correct so in our garden God enters our comes our Direction speaks our language and be takes on human form and he can can do that if he can do at the very beginning he can do it all the way through we call them theophanies in the Islamic Garden It's up in space Allah is not even up there he never is face to face with Adam and Eve already you're seeing a problem if he's not there then there's no relationship

there never was therefore what has sin done in our case we know exactly what's sin done one sin destroys that relationship we have to be thrown out of God's presence because God Is So holy habach 1:3 he is so holy he cannot even have one sin in his presence that's why Adam and had to be thrown out then Why were they thrown out of the Garden of Eden because they are they're thrown down to earth they're thrown down to earth for what reason because they sinned but they were forgiven of their sin if they're forgiven

of the sin why didn't they remain there and more than that why aren't all of us up in the Garden of Eden up in space the fact that we're all here according to Islam we're all imputed with Adam and Eve sin oo I love That but let's get back to this story if this is the case Adam and Eve are sent down to earth they're thrown down to earth now whoever threw them down was a pretty lousy shot because Eve was sent down to Mecca but Adam was thrown way down to Sri Lanka don't worry

he was 90 ft tall I kid you not that's what the tradition say and he just went boom boom boom boom boom boom and came and met Eve then I guess he reduced himself down to her Size but therefore obviously from the very beginning Adam and Eve are there in Mecca right if Adam and Eve are in Mecca does that not make that the earliest inhabitant in mankind for man for in fact in for eternity cuz you don't get anybody earlier than Adam and Eve and if you don't get anybody earlier than Adam and Eve

you don't have an inhabitant that's earlier than them so the first habitation for mankind is Mecca it's the earliest one that you get from chapter 2 Chapter 7 and chapter 20 also when you get to chapter 21 of the Quran you will see that Abraham is down in Mecca I had no idea Abraham was down that South far did we did you know Abraham went to Mecca no never heard that before have you that's kind of odd isn't it CU he's way up North isn't he he's over way over in Ur which is in Iraq

today he goes up to hadan then he goes down to what is today Israel what's he doing thousand miles further south nonetheless there in Chapter 21 he goes into the m al m al means the Forbidden place of bowing that is referred to as the cabba today and he takes a large Idol and he smashes all the smaller Idols next morning when they see the smashed Idols the people then come and confront him and he says talk to the large Idol don't talk to me and they throw him into a fiery pit did Abraham get

thrown into a fiery pit or was that M Shadrach Meshach and abedo so there's obviously a a confusion here in The story in chapter 21 the Quran is full of these confused stories and we know why because we know where that story comes from it doesn't come from the Bible thank God it comes from the mission of Raa written in the second century a Jewish apocryphal account written for as a bedtime story for children but it makes it there into chapter 21: 51 to 71 but nonetheless for our purpose today that means that if Abraham

is there in the Masid Alam if He's there in Mecca in 1900 BC Mecca should be well known CU he's there you following me what's more when you look at the Traditions you will see that Mecca is the Center of Trade north south east and west so it's a very important city the oldest city the city where Abraham lived and the Center of Trade so should be one of the best known and best documented places in history when we look at the Quran itself there's a real confusion about Mecca one one the first Confusion is

it's only referred to Once In chapter 48: 24 that's the only place you will find the word Mecca in the entire Quran now it does refer to the settlement of the Prophet the Mas Al Haram and so Muslims today infer that that must be Mecca but they're putting that in there they're imposing that in there that's why they always have to put it in parenthesis in the English translation CU it's not there in the Arabic if this is the oldest City then why is it that it doesn't talk about it more often and when it

does talk about it in chapter 4824 it doesn't say much at all doesn't say much at all what we do know is that the first Sanctuary is in Becca Muslims like to say ah that must be Mecca but no if you know Arabic it's two you have three root words three root letters for every Arabic word this is BKK then the mecca is M completely different letter so you can't can't confuse the two there in Chapter 6 and in chapter 41 it says that this mishk Ali is the mother of all settlements it's where Adam

and Eve went to in chapter 7 Abraham lived in chapter 21 Muhammad was born according to the traditions in uh 622 and lived there un uh and moved from there in 622 and then it's where all the Kias every MOS was then redirected to according to chapter 2: 149 from the farthest mosque which would be Muslims believe was Jerusalem down to the Miss mid alham which they Claim is Mecca so certainly by according to the Quran by 624 it should be the center of the whole world now when you get to the Traditions which come

the nth and 10th Century as I noticed as I showed you there's lots of references to Mecca because it's well known by the 9th century it was created probably the begin of the a chosen probably at the end of the seventh century moving into 8th Century but look what it says about it that it's in a Valley with a parallel Valley that has stream that has ruins and a pillar of salt that has fields that it has trees grass fruit clay L it has olive trees folks does that sound like the mecca you know of

today what's wrong with all that that's lots of vegetation there's no vegetation whatsoever in Mecca not today not ever look at the oldest pictures look at the oldest descriptions of Mecca there is no vegetation whatsoever for one very good Reason there's just no water there now you might say the zum zum well is there all we're going to deal with that hold on so Mecca is not in a valley has none of these listed above because it's in a desert so it's just too arid and dry to support any of the above when we look

at the geographical locations Dan Gibson did this and there are 65 geographical references in the Quran but look at what they St only nine places are named by name Most of the time the geographical locations are referring to people who live in a certain place and they refer 23 times to these people from UD that this Prophet has relationship with this people from UD on a daily basis 23 times he also has relationship with these people from thud which would be the naans ad would be the people of uz in the Bible and seven times

these people from midianites well take a look at the map where is adud in Midian my I'm sorry My thing doesn't work but if you look down here look where Mecca is at the bottom I'm not getting much of a light here on this but you can see Mecca is at the very bottom you can see it over there Mecca is at the very bottom and and adud in Midian are 600 mil to the north how does he have daily contact with these people from those three tribes going 600 miles up and 600 miles back

down that's 12200 miles a day on a camel no you'd have to have a jet or a Helicopter and I don't believe they existed in the 7th Century so you can see whoever wrote the Quran down was living up there where those people lived that would make sense suggesting therefore that everything was happening in the north hold on to that I'm going to say that a lot today the north the north the north when we look at the prophets in the Traditions many of the prophets they die and when you die you are buried within

24 hours look at the Names of the prophets that you know that have died in Mecca right there where the cabba is Adam and Eve Seth ishmail Noah Hood the great- grandson of Noah Sali the grandfather of Hagar Queen of Sheba Daniel up to three 300 prophets are listed as dying in Mecca if that were the case how are they what happens when they die if you look at the Traditions they are they die in a kneeling position so that they can pray while they're dead because their bodies never deteriorate If their bodies never deteriorate

according to the Traditions that means their body should be there today am I correct so look at the buildings that are being built all over Mecca you see that Big Clock Tower that's the fourth High EST building in the world right now when you build high buildings like that and they're building 62 size skyscrapers around it you have you have to dig in the ground as for foundation am I correct and when you dig a foundation What happens the archaeologists show up you go to London you go to any of the old cities in Greece

or in turkey and whenever they dig down they the archaeologist show up because as you dig down for the foundations you come across artifacts which the archaeologists want and they grab them and they look at them and they recreate the history of the City by looking at the depths of those artifacts and that's how you work and that's why the art the archaeologists Have showed up but guess what they found not a thing now Dr Gibson was at a conference in Dubai a number of years ago and he wanted to find out a little bit

more about these diggings because you know he as an archaeologist himself he wanted to find out what they had found so he sat at the table with the Saudi Arabian archaeologists and he asked him with all these great diggings going on with all these foundations Going on you must be coming across lots of pottery shards and you know jewels and rocks and all kinds of things to recreate the history of the city what have you found what's the oldest object you have found and they look down at their toes and they said we haven't really

found anything prior to the 8th century and the best thing we have found is the ruins of an ottoman Fort which is from 1300 Ad nothing earlier well what about all these prophets where are they can you see a problem here folks don't make a claim unless you can support it if the above were true this would mean that almost all of the Bible will have to be Rewritten and all the stories be redirected not up in in Palestine and in Israel they'd have to redirect it down to the mid central part of Arabia yet

there is so much evidence for the Biblical narrative historically yet almost nothing for Islams so when was this city first discovered when's the first documentation well Dr Patricia koner wanted to know this now remember she reads and writes 15 languages so she went back to all the documentation she could find in all 15 languages and looked for the earliest documented case and this is what she came up with the Apocalypse of Sur Methodius continue to Bant araba written in 741 folks that's in the mid 8th Century nothing earlier than 741 she couldn't find any reference

to the city earlier than that that's over 100 years after Muhammad during the written during the early reign of kalef Hisham the earliest map does not show anything on it until 900 day we don't have anything on any map until the 10th Century what are the maps let's look at the maps pomy is the best one to record the geography because he Wrote the geography of Arabia in the 2 century and when he wrote this down he would put the rivers and he would describe the mountains and he would describe the towns and the cities

but he never drew any map they didn't draw any map then and he would not known how to draw it anyways but because of his geography others have decided later on to create Maps like leonart Hol leonart Hool in 1482 dri they tried to draw this map of Arabia just following what patony Said in the second century he's putting this into the 15th century notice what's missing Mecca is missing when you look at this map this one is done in the 16th century by a fellow named lauron freeze and what's missing again Mecca is missing

here's a third one this was done by created by Sebastian moer out of Germany in 1571 again using all that he could find from Pam's description Mecca's missing again it should be the Foremost City there because it's the most important is it not here is a redacted map that's just redacting it back to the 7th century from modern day and Mecca's missing on that redacted map here's another redacted map going back to the 7th Century what people today think Mecca must have looked like in the 7th Century but Mecca is not there why because no

one had heard of it that early it just didn't exist therefore you can't put it On any map not in the sth century Dan Gibson who's a friend of mine back in 199 1989 was living in Jordan and was doing a book on Petra and while he was doing and walking around and learned learned the languages from the bedin he was came came across a mosque there from the seventh century and he found the kiah wall now to find the Ki wall on a mosque you just find the longest wall because that's the Wall that

you pray towards the kiblah and he noticed that the kibla there was not facing Mecca and that was curious so he decided to do a whole research and he went to over a hundred mosques physically went to every one of these mosqu to find out where these Kias were now many of these mosques are in r but you can still see the ruins there you can still see the ruin wall the foundational wall and you can still see the direction he was that they went and Uh he had studied Dr D uh Dr David link

King who is considered to be the world Authority on the kiah from University of London and he looked at his studies and he noticed that his studies said that there were hundreds of different directions for these Kias and that the reason why there were hundreds of direction is because the people in the seventh and 8th Century just didn't know their mathematics so they didn't know well how to find Kias So Dan Gibson decided to use use uh GPS and try to look and uh and try to find where the kibla walls were facing and guess

what he found by using modern technology that were with accuracy of 1 to two degrees he found that every one of the Kias in the 7th Century up until 7:06 were facing the City of Petra in Jordan the Medina Moss the Moss as far away as China in guango the Indian Moss the Syrian moss in Egypt in Israel in Jordan in Yemen every Moss he looked at Were all within 2° facing Petra not one of them was facing Mecca now we're up into 706 remember Muhammad died in 632 right the mosque was canonized in 624

so we're up into 706 we're all talking about 80 years later and not one mosque is facing Mecca so when was the first MOS that was facing Mecca it's right up there on the screen 7:15 that's the 8th Century folks that's almost 100 years too late that's 90 Years too late Dr psha kruna Who is uh was the one that helped me with my uh that helped me with my debate she also became my second supervisor when I started my doctorate she says this Patricia she debunked this notion of Mecca being the Center of Trade

by saying this what commodity was available in Arabia that could be transported such a distance through such an inhospital environment and still be sold at a profit large enough to support The growth of a city in a peripheral site bereft of Natural Resources the trade at that time was heavily dependent on the transport of incense from the southern Arabia to the Roman province of Syria and Beyond due to Christianity's growth from the 4th Century paganism whose rituals required large amounts of incense collapsed and with it so did the trade in incense according to Corona the

only trade which went by land were essentially low value Commodities such As dates and leather and salt she said you do not build a large empire and become the Center of Trade north south east and west simply by dealing or trading in dates leather and salt and that's why she wrote mecc and trade in the rise of Islam in 1987 and she went back and looked at all the 15 trades um sorry products that supposedly went through Mecca and she couldn't find any of them going through a place called Mecca they didn't even go up

their Arabian Sea I me the Arabian Coast they the only two Commodities that she could find that were even used or that were traded were down in the south in what they call the hadat area Yemen and Oman and they were nothing more than golden and um uh golden myrr that's it so this man here Montgomery wat Dr Mon Montgomery wat William Montgomery wat in the last century decided to help the Muslims out and he tried to show well okay so there's no trade there How is it that Mecca became important if there's no trade

going through how' it become the center of trade and he introduced what we now know today is the trade root Theory how many people have heard of this trade root Theory a few of you have right this is what I was taught this is what everybody's taught if you go to university this is the theory that shows how Mecca became important how it was able to become such a dominant City and this is the theory all the trade Would come from China and India way off there to the East but it could not go north

because of the himalia mountains see the himalia mountains there I wish I had my pointer here but the himalia mountains in the Hindu Kush so it had to come to the western coast of India which is where this the Arabian Sea is and they had to put it on ship there and it went up there across the Arabian Sea Follow the arrow over through the Persian Gulf up to the Straits of Horus And then was D shipped there in Basra and then from Basra it wasn't called that at that time I'm using the modern day

name it went then across Iraq across Syria over to the Mediterranean and that got it to the Mediterranean world that is where all the trade used to go up until the fifth century in the fifth century the sasanians who were the Persians who lived in what is today uh what is the Iran and Iraq they then started Waring and having battles Against the byzantines who were Christians now the sasanians were zor asrian they were Persian the byzantines were Christians and they had this war for 200 years back and forth back and forth which shut down

that trade it could no longer go through the Straits of Home rots could no longer go across Iraq and Syria so they had to redirect the trade according to Montgomery Watt and therefore they had to go this way down through the Arabian Sea down to aen Then right up to Gaza 1250 miles and you see where Mecca is it's right there halfway there halfway up so Mecca controlled that trade that now solves the problem and of course everybody applauded and every this is what we were taught that's what I was taught if you take any

any course on Islam and the history of Islam you're taught that trade root Theory do you all agree with that is that a pretty good theory is there any problems with that Well my 10-year-old son found out two problems and so did Patricia kuruna let's see if you're as smart as my 10-year-old son this is the I'm not going to ask all of you to do because then we'll have 10 different answers but this is what she found she said the first problem is this if you're bringing it across the Arabian Sea down to Aiden

and then you go up the Western planet on land you'd have to go up there to thif and then from thif you have to go down To Mecca which is 3,000 ft down and then from Mecca you then have to go back up to yri which is the archaic name for what is today Medina and go up through tabok Kar and then on up to Gaza in the north do you see a detour there can you see it on the map that's a detour that no one had taken into account why is that significant let's

show you here is a topog topograph map of looking at Arabia look at the topography I'm going to show You the trade rout and this this is the trade route that everybody knows about starts at Aden goes to S goes to najran continues up to T on up to Y and up to tabuk and then on up to Petra and Gaza notice it's all along the western Plateau can you see the plateau there so where's Mecca Bingo 3,000 ft below to make my point let me just show it on a line graph so here's a

line graph okay there's Aiden there's there's Nan there's there's y up there is tabuk and Up there is Petra where is therefore all let's put gas up there too where is Mecca way down off the plateau 3,000 ft down she said why would you take it from th go down 3,000 ft to a city that had no water and if you don't have any water you have no food therefore how are you going to feed your cameral why would you go down there when there's nothing for any camels and then bring bring them back up

to yeth again they're famished and they're thirsty are They not that makes no sense but then she said here's another problem when you look at the map again that's the 7th Century map notice why would you even put them on land to begin with why take off all the goods at Aiden and go 1250 mil by land when you have a water we do you see the water there the Red Sea even today we send all our Goods by ship why because it's the cheapest way to go if you take a ton of goods my

Land 50 m it would cost the same amount as 1250 Mi by sea why because by land you've got to feed the camels you've got to water the camels you've got to protect the camels you've got to protect your goods you have to anybody could be hiding behind a rock or a sand dune or a hill they could attack you at any time they could surprise you you could you would you would spend all your time secure security security why in the world would you do that it would be Prohibitively expensive just take them by

boat you're already on the boat why on the L on the water you don't have to have any food or water no camels get rid of the camels you just have a cell that pushes you it's perfectly free you can see anybody coming toward you miles away you can prepare yourself that's why everything is done by SE even today it's all done by sea so she decided to go back to trade dog now see this is why she's so dangerous she reads and writes All the documents so she decided to do what everybody what Montgomery

walk should have done and anybody who's a historian should have done go back to the trading documents and read them 2 third fourth fifth 6th seventh all the way up to the 8th century and this is what she found all the documents came across the Arabian Sea yeah they did come across and they proly did stop at Aiden because they would take off ship their goods there and take on Provisions But they never took off their trade there they continued there into the Red Sea and they all stopped in agilus agilus is the city that

control the trade they're rans they're Ethiopians and then from agilus zip right up the Red Sea on up to Petra and then from Petra to Gaza and then from Gaza right across the Mediterranean world all the documents said that proving it was all Maritime but she didn't go far enough she didn't go far enough now She's died in 2015 so I can't tell her where she what she did wrong if you're going up the Red Sea what side of the Red Sea would you go up see Muslims say yes okay so you went up the

Red Sea you go to jeda and jeda is where you would translate take all the goods off and jedha is the town today that gives all the goods to Mecca which is above it it's about 30 Mi Inland so therefore they give all the water and they give all the Food she should have answered that question so we decide to do that for her we decided to go back to the Red Sea and look and see what we now find and this is what we have found when you look at the Red Sea you need

to look at from space looking down on a topographical map do you see the big Channel there the dark channel in the Red Sea if you if you don't I'll put the red line there's the red line that's the Deep Channel that's where the ships today go big Ships they need a deep Channel but back in the 7th Century they didn't have big ships like that they used small boats with sails so where did they go did they go on the Eastern side or the western side look where the channels are the channels are there

where the golden arrows are notice they're hugging the coast of the African Coast that's where the smaller ships would go unlike the Eastern Arabian Shore which was arid with no fresh water and thus few people The western African Shore had plenty of fresh water and had larger populations what's more the West Coast had easily accessible ports we know their names they're there you can go up on Wikipedia I didn't have to do much research just look on Wikipedia and look and see where these ports are there are five coastal cities assab look at the date

that we can find his historical records all the way back to 246 agilus 79 ad both of them are in What is today ericha soakin see up there 170 ad that is in today's sadon and then there are two in Egypt Banes 275 BC and safaga 282 notice what do you notice about them their dates all predate Islam all five are a day distance apart so you can go into Port each night for safety and also get your provisions on the Red Sea Side eastern coast the Arabian Coast only yanu is known as historical we

have record for yanu to support yri that is well known What about jeda jedha is what we're looking for we need to know about jeda because that's the city even today that supplies all the goods for Mecca jedha as a port city and IT supplies for Mecca today but how old is it you need to go back to Gerald hing's book on it and he States clearly that the earliest they can find for any reference to jeda is not till the 8th Century that means it was created after Mecca was chosen as a means to

support Mecca it is too late it Cannot there therefore answer this question for us therefore since jedha and Mecca were not there in the 7th Century they don't get introduced or created till the 8th Century let's just get mid of them up they go off the screen so without Mecca what then happens to sth Century Islam this puts a big red X if you just look at the Historical documentation now folks what about the Lesser known towns if Mecca was not Referred to maybe it's because no one cared about that part of the world maybe

that no one knew anything about that part of the world cuz it's a desert you don't learn you don't take and you don't care about desert places let's ask that question so let's go back to a map again now most folks I'm using Google Maps I'm using modern day Maps so forgive me because so these are so you can know know where we're talking about there's Mecca right what other cities are known Well we know quite a bit about neron which is just 400 miles south strable refers to it plenty of the Elder refers to

it uh we know the pomy ref refers to it in his geographies aritus the Martyr was also referring to it what about cities like saana and thif and yth and Kar that all are on the western Plateau that are all right next to it we have lots of references to these cities in Greek trading documents mamra Clinton's hisory K has written a history on mamra Petra jakowski has written an entire historical record of Petra one of the part the best documented cities in history Mah Mah Muhammed also writes a history of M where why are

all these insignificant towns referred to everybody knows about them we know them historically we even know where they on a map but nothing at all about Mecca not one word well Patricia cron wanted to find this out and so she decided to go and find out and ask this question of All the surrounding Empires because she could read and write their languages so there's the map again if Mecca was the oldest city in the history of mankind then some someone somewhere in the areas surrounding it should have heard of it right you would think so

what about those Empires which were far away so she went to the Assyrian writers like shelanes thei and San II and Sak not one word about Mecca she went to the Babylonians uh nabonidus not one word About Mecca she went to the Roman writers like melinus or the procopius of cesaria she went to strabo plenty of the Elder pomy not one word about Mecca she went to the Persian Empire not a line about Mecca so then she decid let's go further in let's get to those Empires that are closer to Mecca perhaps they would have

heard about Mecca she went to natim not one word saites not a word hites not a word aites not a word the kites not a word the kites not one Word she even went across the sea over to the na Nubians and the axom and the Abyssinian kingdoms not one reference to Mecca what do you see here everything surrrounding it not not one of these kingdoms had heard of Mecca yet of all people they should have heard of it right because they're the closest to it she couldn't find any reference to Mecca in any of

those kingdoms she had done what no one else had done before her she actually went and read their text why do You think they never heard of Mecca why is there no history of Mecca well that's a good question right let me give you a possible answer just look at these two pictures here what do you notice they're very it's very these are old pictures from the 1800s there's no vegetation there at all right they're just basically Stone and cement well maybe not cement just mud they are Bleak the reason why They're in the desert

soil studies inform us that the soil there has never been able to support vegetation not all why is that important here's why take a look look at these what do you notice again photos taken from the 1800s to 1900s it's it's oblique City it's in a desert there is no vegetation this is why it's important when you look at these three four Maps I took these down to Speakers Corner back in 2019 held them up for all the Muslims To see there at speaker corner and I wanted them to look at I said just take

a look at what do you notice everything about Mecca Medina is in a desert the central part with Medina and Mecca is all a desert where there's a desert there's no water where there's no water there's no food where there's no food there's no people where there's no people there's no towns where there's no towns there's no cities where there's no cities there's no civilization where There's no civilization there is no history how long did it take me to say that 10 seconds right it only took me 10 seconds I set it from the ladder

every time Muslims came back to me to confront me I said hold on a minute there's no water there if there's no water there are no vegetation no veget no people no people no towns no towns no City no cities no history it's as simple as that you have to have water folks notice everything has been up in the north We've been saying everything's up in the north why because there's there's water up there Mesopotamia the land between the two rivers that's why all the civilizations are up there there's nothing in between the Romans knew

this they talked about Arabia they talked about Arabia petraea Arabia petraea was that northern part what is Northern which is Jordan in Syria today that was Arabia petraea but underneath that in between was Arabia deserta and then at The very bottom was Arabia Felix which means the happy Arabia but Arabia deserter was in the middle there's nothing about at all because there's no reason to go there if you have no water don't go just like Mars without water there's no point in ever going there but what about the zum zum wh this is the comeback

they always give you're going to get this if there's no water what are you going do with the zum zum well do you all know what the zum zum Well is all right well ask any Muslim and they'll tell you what the zum Zam well is see the zum zum well is the water that every Muslim wants to drink if you go on pilgrimage you have to drink the zum zum well cuz it's has healing properties it's a little sweet there are 2 million people living in Mecca they all drink the zum zum well when

people come to do the hudge that's another 2 million that's 4 million people all drink the zum zum well if you Go to any bookstore or any Muslim uh mosque look in their their their stores and you will see liters of zumzum water here in California you can find zumzum well everywhere all of it from one little well called the zumzum well and this is the well that Hagar came across when she was looking for water for Ishmael out in the desert she runs between one mountain one mountain called mwa and then can't find any

water she runs between Another Mountain named Safa Can't find any water and she Zips back and forth between these two mountains looking for water can't find water anywhere finally she comes back to ishma is and there's this water bibbling up out of the ground and she says zum zum zum zum means stop stop stop that's enough that's enough that's what it means in Arabic that's enough and that's this excuse me th now that's we're talking about 1900 BC correct if this is the case then the Zumzum water should be there since 1900 BC the zumzum

well I did I was watching I was going to put it up here but I don't have copyright for it it's a great little um discussion between um David Chappelle and David Letterman David Letterman's on the right David Chappelle is a great comic I love his material but he's become a Muslim and so he converted and so David Lon was asking about why he'd become a Muslim and in the conversation He talks about this Zam Zam well as he calls it there's this Zam Zam well in Mecca what is why is it that you about

this Zam Zam well and he said is it inexhaustible because you know everybody wants it therefore it has to be inexhaustible to accommodate the entire Muslim world of 1.8 billion and David shabelle says yeah I've been there you can't go but I've been there and the Zaman well is There and the water is inexhaustible he said never runs out implying that all provides the water for the 2 million who live there as well as the 2 million who come on pilgrimage and also the millions of Muslims around the world who buy it after their local

Muslim starts he said it's inexhaustible it comes from Allah himself so I wanted to find out about this so I would to do did some hunting around in my in the fander films comment section when I put this material up Where there was very clear that everybody every Muslim that referred I love uh uh YouTube because you get comments right away and I get peer reviewed within seconds whenever I put a video up and I can see what the Muslims are saying I can see if they like or dislike and boy do they dislike this

stuff but they always comment and they always give me an awful lot of information in their comments and they were claiming that it was from the time Of Abraham they were claim that it was time from Adam and Eve they could make up their minds according to the current narrative Hagar not Sarah his wife after searching for water found it and said stop stop that's the name zumzum the water Muslims like Chappelle claim is inexhaustible the cleanest of all Waters the purest of all Waters that's why it has these healing properties and it it can

accommodate every Pilgrim who who comes to Mecca and the rest of the Muslim world who would think like to drink it thus it is bottled and used by millions around the world now I wanted to make sure that I was getting it from The Authority themselves so into n Hamid who is the one that represents Jed uh the meccans and he is the one that writes the official writing for the zwell and this is what he said about the Zam Zam well he said it sprang up about 5,000 years ago when Hagar went looking for

water for ishmail she ran between Safa Mara Mountain seven times before finding zumzum meaning stop flowing water from the well has no purities with minerals and a heavy taste pilgrims buy it and it's shipped all over the world for its healing properties it costs $187 million to modernize the well to accommodate the pilgrims it source is rainfall going to the Ibraham and then to the underground aquifers therefore it pours out 350 million lers of water is pumped from the zumzum well every day it Pumps out 11 million liters of water a day during the Ramadan

and 52 million lers of water a day from the Huds that's a lot of water folks 52 million liters of water a day Allah himself will supply for eternity that's why it never runs out so that's the official word on it what do we know about the water well we don't know too much the earliest documentation that we can find on any record is the 1800s that's the oldest picture it's only 30t wide not a very Big well is it and at that time it was only 50 50 m deep not very deep here's a

picture looking down do you see much water down there just a little pond that's the 1950 look in the 1950 you'll look down into the well not very much to accommodate millions and millions of liters in 1953 they put a cap over it and you would draw water out by hand that's as much water as you could get at a time whatever you could get in a bucket in 1953 a building was Constructed over the well and then in 1963 construction began to put the well underground there's what it looks like today just a circle

which means the wild is underneath and when you go down you can see there's even a museum there that shows you all the earlier just different areas now here's a niggling problem in 1963 when they moved the well underground they dug it deeper so now it's now 31 m deep yet it is now situated only 21 meters from the cabba All right 21 M that's about 60 ft doesn't the well commemorate Hagar searching and then finding water in the desert for Ishmael in 1900 BC right now stop and think if Hagar is in Mecca to

begin with with Abraham and he throws her out of Mecca she has to go out to the desert right and she runs out of water right she's out in the desert 60 ft away do you see a problem there so she's out in the desert and she has to go between two mountains Safa and mwa Seven times how far is Safa and mwa from the cabba 100 feet if she had one out of water why didn't she just go to the nearest house and knock on the door cuz she's still in Mecca am I correct

cuz zum zum well is right there next to the cabba just 60 ft away so obviously there's a problem with this story nonetheless let's go on so that's the first problem doesn't this suggest a rather convenient man-made Well more than that does the well supply all the water needs for Mecca Mecca has 2 million habitants doubles to 4 million during the Hajj Mecca needs 1.4 1,481 lers a second for its population that's equivalent to 51 olympic size pools per day yet the zum zum well only supplies 19 lers a second and that's only after it

rains so where do they get all this water for the 2 million meccans and the 2 million pilgrims plus the many Millions who buy the drink all around the world that adds up to 1 billion drinks folks not from a SMY dinky 3 meter someone well for sure so I decided to do some scratching around and I just use Google in the 1950s the well wasn't very deep that's as far as it was just a 30 feet across today one can get go we canot we can't go to it but you can get pictures from

it and when you look at it notice what you see it's been capped but do you see pipes going down into it and Pipes coming out of it yes can you see them here that's even they even give you the picture of the pipes going in and the picture of the pipes coming out that's inside the well you notice not very big pipes but nonetheless they're pipes it seems these pipes bring water to the Well from where it is then P pumped back out of the various locations in the Masjid alh Haram and onto the

bottling plants outside Mecca but from where does this water originate if not From zum zum well itself is it a miracle for Allah himself it comes from desolation plants the world's largest is in Jetta sending clean water to Mecca and who made those desalination plants we did thank you Beckel Corporation United States the world's largest water storage unit that carries and holds all this water was made by the United Kingdom 11 of them largest in the world proving that all the desalination Plants are built by aona Canada and Spain beel Virginia and black and beach

in Kansas City United States it has nothing to do with Allah it has everything to do with America thank you thus the zumzum water is American Spanish and Canadian made and has nothing to do with Mecca zum zum well and the Saudi Arabians are laughing all the way to the bank because they're making a mint on this now let's go one step further where Did the water for Mecca come from the 8th Century let's go back we want to go back in time because this is something we need to ask what about the 8th century

when Mecca was created King zubida went down in the in the late 800s Early N uh the 830 by the 9th century she was there in the 9th century a wife of harun Rashid who died in 799 she was known for her serious and dedicated intelligence she went to Mecca in the ear late 8th Century early 9th century When Mecca was well known by this time Mecca was the sanctuary as you're going to find out and she noticed that there was not enough water so she built this Aqueduct there's the ruins from it right there

but look where this Aqueduct comes from it it comes from the W numat now notice right there you see the jamat you see the Masid alh Haram you see the minent city and Al aizia where the water is then placed it comes all the way from Wy Newman it was a 38 23m supplying Chair of water 600 to 800 cubic meters a day many Renovations in 1952 Jaffa I won't go through his name because I'll desecrate it but he gave a thousand 100,000 dinars to re uh recommission it this was also recommissioned in 1236 and

then was recommissioned in 1328 and then 1410 then also in 1510 then also in 1578 and also in 1880 finally in 1880 you have the I sub an ottoman naval officer who then recommissioned it finally in 1926 with all these recommissioning King Abdulaziz decided to use desalination water instead and that was done in the last century so the second problem is this is there more groundwater or desalination water in Mecca there is an article online which showed the graph of the percentage of disolated water that was consumed by each City in Saudi Arabia in 2020

just three years ago and it looked like the majority of water from the from the ground was from the groundwater not to salination the graph We were looking at was actually incorrect here is the corrected graph on the right notice just how much desolation water meca and Medina need today 98% and 99 5% for Medina almost all of their water come from desalination plans thank you United States so where is this water stored it's stored in these huge tanks there you can see Mas alh Haram there is the Mina City over there is the three

jamarat there is manaat those are the Five stages with 4 million people during the Hajj where is the water store to accommodate them in these tanks these are the Mauna bulk Reservoir large storage tanks where they are stored jeda has now these 11 tanks all made by those gentlemen up there from London England and the Atkins team they now have made the largest storage tanks in the world are to give people this free freshing water from Allah himself not from Allah but from the West Now we're going to end with this and I see we're

going we're going to have to stop here after this and go for a break but I want to end with the STA the the stages of the hjj when we look at Islam we notice that much of Islam borrows its material from other sources if you are a man-made religion and you suddenly want to create an identity for yourself remember in the 7th Century the antines are in the north the Arabs are now control what is today Syria in Jordan mainly because that used to be controlled by the sasanians the Persians but in 622 uh

you have the byzantines coming down herculis is the the emperor and destroys the sasans but then turns and goes towards the West because he has an awful lot of problems on his Western borders and just pretty much leaves this area alone but the Arabs now suddenly were freed up They now had no more slavery under the sasanians the Persians and so many different city states were being formed all over the place until 661 when finally muah creates the first um kit 661 he's living in Damascus isn't that curious what's he doing in Damascus why is

he white down to Medina if he was a Muslim if he was a Muslim we're going to shut that down after the break you'll see why He then rules to 680 and then comes the mwan family and they take over from 680 and then you have ABD Malik who is the greatest of all the um kits he is a Christian so is we're going to prove that after the break but he is not a Christian like you and me who believe in the Trinity he is an anti-trinitarian Christian who does not believe in the Trinity

does not believe in the Divinity of Jesus so he means to do something because his greatest power his greatest Are the byzantines up in the Northwest they are his political threat and also his theological threat but he is a caleff and he controls all the land from Tripoli all the way to India and from Turkey all the way down to Yemen he is the second biggest well probably the biggest superpower of his day but here's the problem the byzantines and the Jews they have a prophetic line right from Abraham Isaac and Jacob he is a

ishite he calls himself a Mite so do all of Them the Arabs are from Hagar their line is where after ishma it just disappears there is no prophetic line do you see a problem there the Jews and the Christians they not only have a prophetic line they also have a scripture the old and new testament what do the ishmaelites have no scripture so here you are the second biggest political power of the day and your biggest threat are these guys in the north and you've got to compete with Them but you also have got to

create an identity for yourself you need a prophet you need a book you need a man in a book so you got to do something you borrow right you can't create anything from that you have to borrow but who do you borrow from well you go to your cousins you go to your cousins hold on a minute you're going to see just how much they borrowed more than that you've got to have a place that is your Sanctuary now ABD Malik and mu their Sanctuary was Petra we now know that because all the all the

mosque are facing Petra up until 7:06 it's obvious Petra is pretty important and pet was really the the Center of Trade at that time not Mecca because there was no Mecca there's no reference to it so if you're if you're uh your place where you bow mid Alam your Sanctuary is Petra you've got to then create and put a man there or create and put a prophet There the problem is what prophet are you going to put because there's no Prophet after Ishmael you've got to create a prophet who has a book that's why you

borrow right left and center but then you create a new sanctuary and we're going to get to that it's not you that do that it's even Zu that does that in 687 and it's the abbasids who that because they have they will be taken over the power from the Umit in 750 and they need to have their Sanctuary they choose Mecca as their sanctuary I'm kind of run jumping ahead but once they choose Mecca what are they going to put in that Sanctuary you've got to put something that you already know that everybody else knows

so let's go to that sanctuary now you can't go to Mecca you're not permitted to but you've seen pictures of Mecca have you not and what do you notice you always go to that building There that's called the cabba and the Caba in Arabic means Cube the Caba in Hebrew also means Cube as well did you know that it's the same word Cube Cube so where was there a cube in Hebrew the holy of holies right was a cube am I correct so here you have the cabba and you circumambulate seven times going counterclockwise you've

seen the pictures why in the world do they circumambulate going counterclock ways seven times Well seven is the holy Number is it not for whom the Jews who circumambulated around their cabba in Jerusalem right why seven times because of Jericho right it was Jericho that they went seven times counterclockwise so let's look at that there circum I me seven times going to cl cl ask any Muslim why they do that they don't know so when they don't know something what are they supposed to do chapter 10: 97 and chapter 21: 7 of the Quran says

if You have any question go to the Jews and the Christians the people of the book and they will tell you so tell them why they're circum ulating it's because the Jews did it you're just following the Jews now Gibson thought that this was being done there in uh this was being done there in Petra which is true that was being done there in Petra but where do you think the Jews and Petra did got it from they got it from here that is where the holy of holies is do you see The what is

today the Dome of the Rock that is where the Temple Mount is that's Mount Mariah that's where the temple stood the cabba was the cube that was there on the Temple Mount and they would circum ulate in that open area there that's still open today going counterclockwise seven times so they just borrowed from the Jews now after they circumambulate around the cabba seven times what do they do next they run back and forth between two mountains Called Safa and mwa you can't quite see it there or here that's Safa at the top and that's mwa

I'm sorry it's off the it's off the screen but Safa is s AA and marwa is m a r w Safa and Mara two mountains remember I told you these are the two mountains that Hagar is looking for water she runs the Safa runs to Mara runs seven times looking for water can't find it comes to where Ishmael is and she sees this water bubbling out of the water out of the ground and says zum zum That's enough stop stop and that's where the zum onwell is so look at these two rocks notice those are

the mountains of safur and mwa do they look like mountains to you they're 20 ft High children can climb on those can't they not really mountains so obviously this is not the original marwa this is not the original Safa am I correct cuz if that were the case it should be 30 40 miles out in the desert where she really had run out of water Here she can just walk next door and knock on the first door she need to get water obviously these are faximile of what was the original much like when you go

to Las Vegas you notice there is an Eiffel Tower there that's not the original Eiffel Tower there is the also the pyramid there that's certainly not the original pyramid those are fact simile just to get your money from you so obviously these are fact simile to commemorate an original Safa and Original marwa where are they that could be there's a Safa and marwa in Petra because that was used after Jerusalem but the original Safa and marwa are in Jerusalem there's Mount Mariah there if you look there see where it says Temple Mount that's Mount Mariah

in Arabic Mariah is marwa so that's the Arabic form of Mariah you go down to the Kidron Valley and then you come back up to mount scopus can you see those are mountains Mount scopus is in Arabic Safa so that's what they have done they've just borrowed from the Jews again you have to borrow in order to create if you have nothing to begin with what's interesting is they're still there today now after Safar then many of the Traditions were borrowed I'm not going to go through all of them because I see we're almost out

of time and we want to have a break we do know that pretty much that the cabba was borrowed from from Jerusalem we know that Safa And marwa were borrowed from Jerusalem the hill of arat is not a borrowing because it is one thing that was introduced in Petra and then you have the jamarat WHERE but I want to just show point out one thing here the jamarat is a pillar see the pillar on the left there just one pillar that is Satan commemorate Satan and what the Muslims are to do they're to go and

throw rocks 49 rocks you're right you've been there you've done it haven't you 49 No you haven't okay but you know what I'm talking about 49 rocks the problem is look at the crowds behind and if you're not a good aim you hit the person in front of you don't you people were dying from getting hit by these rocks so the Arabian government had to do something so they rebuilt it to these beautiful those four buildings but three of them are jots the other one in the left the middle is a Stairway to go up

them because they're on many Levels and this way you can throw stones to your heart's content and you don't hit anybody and that has now alleviated that problem but here's a problem if you now have three jamarat what do they mean see if you have one jamarat it's the devil you're throwing stones at the Devil you can't throw at three Devils there's no such thing as three Devils so what has the Arabian government done today since 1980 when those were built they have now changed the narrative and Now you're not throwing a stone at a

devil you're throwing it at The Temptations of Abraham which means they've changed the narrative while we've been live I was here in 1980 in our lifetime they're changing the narrative they're changing the story right in front of our eyes if this is happening in our lifetime why are we so why are we so surprised that this has been done all the way through the last 1400 years if you need a story You create it as you go if you need a theological background you create it as you go and we're seeing it happening in just

the last 40 years there is the zum zum well the zumzum well looks like it comes from the pool of salom in Jerusalem it has the same function as in Jerusalem and obviously we know that's there now we get to the Black Stone thank God this was not borrowed Black Stone what are you going to do with the black stone Folks at the Very center of Islam remember Islam very clear their statement of faith is God is one there was only one God but God right and only that God is eternal and that God is

the god that gives you forgiveness that is the god that eradicates your sins am I correct only God can do that so what in the world is that Black Stone doing there right there on the Eastern corner of the Gaba as the pilgrims are going around seven times they kiss that stone to get forgiveness How can a stone give you forgiveness that is the seat of idolatry well to understand that you need to do a historical study again this is what we're doing today let's look back in history and what we find if you look

at the historical context for the Blackstone it was discovered by the Phoenicians in about 3 to 400 BC it was looks like a meteorite that came flashing across the sky they thought it was from God they collected it they held It they revered it the Roman Emperor aelius Antonius alabas grabbed that stone and brought it to Damascus some say he brought it to Rome either way he brought it and what he did is that he darted this belief that wherever the black stone was so was the presence of God so if you have that stone

then returned down to Damascus and from Damascus brought down by the UMES to their Sanctuary which is in Petra at that time That's where the presence of God is but in 685 zuir Rebels against the go the emperor Abdul Malik he is then killed there but he sends his before he is killed by alajaj he sends his wives and the children down to the South where do you think he sent them to to Mecca but who what did they take with them the black stone by taking the black stone with him all the pilgrims started

going down to where the black stone was you follow the Black stone that's why it's still there today that's why Muslims can't get rid of it yet it's a complete contradiction to everything Islam believes that's why you need to ask them this question why is that Blackstone there and why in the world are you kissing it and yet you're still saying there is only one God but God Hammer this Home Folks they do not know how to answer this can you see how Contradictory this is now so when was Mecca possibly constructed we need to

ask the Rocks particularly this rock this is a rock that was found in t a number of years ago and it's written in Arabic natin Aramaic which is the Arabic that we find in the Quran hugely important why this is what it says on in Arabic this was written in the year the M alham was built in the 78th year the Forbidden place of Bing that is where the cabba is today notice the word Is BU was built is nothing like was rebuilt Muslims are trying to say the word is rebuilt no it's saying built

you need to know your Arabic on this so we can assume that this inscription which is located 75 km from Mecca on the route to TA on the route that goes up the mount up to the uh Plateau refers to the side of the M which later became Mecca in the hij this would suggest that the Caba and thus Mecca was built around 697 to 698 during Because 78 years after 622 ad would make it 698 thus it was constructed during the reign of Abdul Malik in the late 7th century and not at the time

of ad ad and Eve nor even during the time of Muhammad this is a much later City constructed a good 78 years after Muhammad folks we can now pretty much know when Mecca was created and when it was chosen and why because that's where the black stone was even the Quran suggests that Mecca is Not where where it was created quranic quesi Arabic is from the north notice if you look at the Quran and look at the Arabic in the Quran it has endings of words that are not what would be in Mecca Medina the

tar the AL makur these are the endings theab the unstressed inflectional vowels if you look at T the two superimposed dots that give you for the feminized form the AL Mak the word final dotless yah placed at the end of The word where the ALF cannot occur goes back to an early a and then the definite article Al the all these four categories are right through the Quran but they all come from natin aric look where natine Aramaic is it's way up in the red rectangle this is from Jordan what is present day Jordan so

what Arabic would they have used in Mecca Medina they use seic Arabic seic Arabic is what was used in Yemen down where the the big red square uh square is that's much further South Saar doesn't have the tarb or the AL of makur or the definite article none of these which means that the Quran which has all of these would have to have been written up on the North are you starting to hear me say the same thing over and over again the North the north is it getting kind of tiring looks like everything we're

looking for that is important is from the north nothing from Mecca Medina chronic Arabic netin Arabic existed 600 miles further north While the 7th Century Arabic of Mecca in the hij which is SE would have accommodated the text of the Quran had it been used eradicating the Gat problems which we're going to talk about later on so now let's conclude with Mecca conclusion Mecca is foundational for both Muhammad and the Quran so without it they both fall Mecca is important for Muslims because they believe that it is the earliest and most important city in the

history of Mankind yet references to Mecca in the quranic Traditions do not hold up historically in other words for instance that it's near Sodom and Gomorrah or that Abraham ishma and Hagar live there what's more we also can find out that other references suggest that meca is filled with Lush fruit trees grass grains and streams which make no sense as Mecca has always been in a desert with bad and depleted desert soil ironically though it's claimed to be the Greatest City in the history the Quran itself only refers to it once chapter 48: 24 signifying

that the author either did not consider it that important or it only came into existence much later on geographically speaking the Quran places almost all of the 65 references either 600 to 1,000 Mi further north than Mecca suggesting the author of the Quran came from there even the Arabic word endings that I just talked About using the Quan like that Al makur thear the definite article or natian aric which again is situated 600 miles further north Mecca is where the Muslims contend that between 70 to 300 prophets are buried yet with all the buildings being

constructed there requiring deep Foundation they have yet to dig up even one it seems that the Saudi Arabians as a result because of Mecca's lack of History are cementing up all the Evidence suggest that even they are skeptical of its history or they don't want the rest of the world to find out I don't know if you know but Muhammad's life um wife's building has now been cemented up also where his birthplace has now been cemented up they have just eradicated all these historical sites why do you think they're doing that when we ask the

surrounding civilization if they have heard of Mecca not one is knows of its existence Including those Empires which are sit situated immediately close by yet other much less significant towns close to Mecca such as marib s njan t yeth kba Petra mamra are all well known and well documented but not Mecca when noting the trade route through these towns we find that they are all located in the western Plateau while Mecca is over 3,000 ft down below it proving it was not on any trade route Mecca before 741 which is Considered the earliest documentary evidence

for it anywhere simply has no history Street and even that reference is located in southern turkey which is too far north when to patony in the 2 Century wrote his book on Arabian geography he never listed Mecca so that none of the earliest 15th to 16th century European maps of Arabia have Mecca listed on them neither the land route trade route nor the sea trade route along the Eastern Co African Coast Supports an early Mecca proving none of the trade went via Mecca at all confronting the notion that it was the Center of Trade number

six the reason trade needs people and people need water and food and towns all of which never existed in Mecca until the mid 8th Century over 100 years after Islam was supposedly created despite claims for the zumzum well that Allah provides its inexhaustible water for over one billion Believers it gets All its water from desalination plants built in the USA and Europe because of Mecca's water problem Queen ofas aquadec was built in 801 which then had to be refurbished nine times in the subsequent 974 years due to the overbearing need for potable water and then

finally replaced with desolation plants after 1926 and finally Muslims have no idea why all the earliest Kias were facing Petra or Jerusalem up to 706 nor why none are facing Mecca until 7:15 Suggesting therefore Mecca was chosen in the 8th Century as their final Sanctuary the antecedence for Mecca and pilgrimage makes more sense with Jerusalem than they do with Petra as they are not only earlier but but they are many of the same functions inclusion certainly someone somewhere at some time should have known about the city yet no one anywhere no at any time has

proving that it has never existed at the time of Muhammad nor during early Islam so if Mecca did not exist then where did both Muhammad and the Quran come from that's next