“Lover boy” Gives LIVE TV Interview While Holding 15-Yr-Old Girl Hostage for 100 Hours

[Music] bada bing bada boom they knew that this wasn't the sound of a firework I mean from really afar maybe you could confuse the two sounds a little bit but if you're close enough there's no way you're thinking that this is a firework a firework sound it lasts a lot longer it's like a crack and then a fizzling pop afterwards like if you throw a piece of meat into a hot sizzling pot of oil To fry it there's a sizzling there's an echo a gunshot on the other hand is a lot more distinct it is

abrupt it starts and then it ends there is no middle just that's it a blip on the radar they hear The Gunshot I mean it's just going off the halls of this very dingy apartment complex in the hallways every single door to each unit opens people start popping their head out into the hallway to see where the hell this noise is coming from most of The heads peeping into the hallway they're not even neighbors they're not even residents of the building so what are they doing inside of this residential apartment complex they're journalists this is

what they came for this gunshot this is the story they hear a whole crowd of people screaming from outside the building like reacting to The Gunshot they're slamming their bodies onto the pavement to try and avoid being shot they were all here for Apartment 24 no really there is a crowd of over a 100 people and they are standing in front of the apartment building just outside surrounding it staring at the this singular tiny small rectangular window up in the building this isn't even a nice building so you're not getting those floor to ceiling glass

windows or crazy views it's just an old gray concrete building with these large stains on the walls and then they have these tiny windows that Are unevenly scattered around and this is where in the parking lot there's about a 100 people trying to break their necks trying to peer into apartment 24 they're looking for him he's a celebrity at this point some girls are even coming up to the building taking pictures they're trying to jump as high as they can to get a look inside which really is not that possible it's not like they're on

the second floor but they would be screaming come to the Window please we came to see you we love Bad Boys show us your face people are pointing their phones at the window seeing if he would react he did the window slams open and a soccer jersey is hung up a soccer jersey half the crap outside they start cheering full force that's their team he's repping their team the other half Boo this is the worst team in the world in their eyes okay there's no middle ground others they start running back to their Houses they

start running back to their cars to grab their own soccer jerseys to represent whose side that they're on in all of this there's dozens of police officers just standing there staring at the cheering crowd I mean they look like they're just amazed by the situation journalists are standing there as well waiting for something just exciting to happen they keep calling his phone to see if the man in apartment 24 is going to pick up oh oh my God here he Comes all the cameras pan to the window they zoom in everybody is tapping on their

camera screens to get it to focus on the window because someone is about to pop their head out but it's not him it's a girl she sticks her head out the window a tiny bit she looks maybe 15 and she sticks both of her thumbs up like all good thumbs up sign both hands both hands and it's very unnerving she's giving thumbs up but her face is contorted it's splotchy everywhere I Mean it's clear that she's been crying sobbing she's distressed clearly her shoulders are basically up to her ears her body language is beyond tense

she looks like she's in life-threatening danger but she's giving everyone a thumbs up and behind her if you zoom closely enough on your phone or your camera you would see a gun pointed directly at her then she disappears and another girl another 15-year-old pops out the window And they're really young she's forced to wave then she's dragged back into the apartment and then a gun is shoved out the window and a shot is fired into the crowd directly into the crowd into the crowd the man from apartment 24 was a 22-year-old hostage taker there were

four teenagers being held hostage in that apartment this is Brazil's longest hostage situation 100 hours and by the end three Escape one will be forced back into the apartment after escaping two Will be shot and one will die and the whole nation would just watch it happen in real time almost like a live stream [Music] we would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for rotten mango to support the national network to end domestic violence nnedv is a nonprofit social change organization dedicated to ending partner related workplace and stalking violence this episode's

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professional FBI negotiators Chris Voss and Gary nestar they're both very well-known known in the work in their field so we tried to fill in any gaps in today's case all patterns and behavioral speculations and Analysis were based on their Highly Educated highly trained experience-based published Works they have really great books the interviews Between the press and the perpetrator have also been condensed for clarity so with that being said let's get into it aloa had just one shot for all of this to end just one that's it I mean she's being held hostage and if she

doesn't get this to work she's going to be here forever I mean who knows she could die in this apartment she opens up the window and she starts sliding down the bed sheets she had ripped them and tied them tightly to each other and she's Letting them hang down she's using both arms to like throw the torn sheets all the way until it reaches the ground and then she leans out the window as far down as she can because this is her one shot at escaping one shot so why why are they not aloa pushes

her body just a little bit out more and still nothing they don't take the shot she could feel the gun pressing up against her back she stands up takes a step back into the apartment and starts pulling up the Makes shipped rope at the very end of the Rope is a paper bag tied to it food food the police had brought her to eat she oh so she's trying to bring up the food not escaping no she's trying to bring up the food but she's leaning down as far as possible to give the snipers a

clear view of her hostage taker but they don't take the shot this was her only shot so she was trying to get that message across and they didn't do that they did Not so she just has food attached to her bed sheets food the police brought because she's getting sick she's throwing up she can't eat what's in the house anymore but none of that matters because she lost her only chance at leaving it's not like she can try and Escape out the window there's about a hundred people standing there that probably start cheering when she

started scaling down the side of the building they're watching the window of this Apartment building like it's a TV screen eyes glued but almost passive they're not actually trying to help or get involved they're just watching in real time aloa is not trying to escape she was trying to bend down so that the police could shoot her hostage taker when aloa was thrown back into the apartment with the food they all sat in front of the TV to watch it all over again her grabbing food from the Rope and they would rerun it on every

single News Network immediately after it happened she would likely hope that the hostage taker did not notice in all of the reruns that she's leaning down a lot more than she needs to some people make horrendous hostage negotiators if you've ever uttered the words like even in your head yeah but it doesn't matter what they think because what they think is wrong you would probably not be hired as a good hostage negotiator you need a high level of emotional intelligence to Be considered by the FBI for example there are three types of people and next

time you're at a party you can test this out pronounce a word wrong on purpose it's got to be a hard word where it sounds like you're trying to sound a little bit educated but not condescending you pronounce that word incorrectly there's three reactions three types of people the first type of person they're not even going to notice that you mispronounced it most likely They're not even paying that close enough attention to you to even notice that you mispronounced it the second type of person they're going to SM and they're going to point it out

directly in front of the whole group and either intentionally or unintentionally they're going to embarrass you the third person will smile genuinely and say something more along the lines of oh my God how funny I actually learned that it was pronounced this way recently and Funny enough there was a study done that found that Avid readers often mispronounce words since they expand their vocabulary through Reading rather than watching movies or watching shows so through sound I thought it was just really curious what kind of books do you typically enjoy that's some very highlevel communication skills

and that third one is going to be a hostage negotiator you're correcting them you're letting it be known that that is not a Correct thing you're not shying away from the fact that they mispronounced it but you're doing it in a way where it gives them the opportunity to walk away yeah and you're complimenting them like making them feel good about it exactly it's all about saying the right thing you can say the same thing in two different ways and get two two different results so let's say you're in a hostage situation you are the

hostage negotiator the purpose is to prep the hostage taker For some bad news you're trying to soften the blow something that they're going to be upset about and you know it do you say one look I don't want you to be offended by what I'm getting ready to say or two what I'm getting ready to say is probably going to offend you I think number two right yes the first is almost an order I don't want I don't want you to be offended by what I'm getting ready to say it centers The Negotiator but the

statement itself assumes that The Negotiator holds the power because they have the power to offend that is true I don't know why the second just sounds better and I feel like that can almost be applied to in relationship maybe in just regular communication right it's crazy how subtle it is and then two it's it's like a preemptive measure you need to say something and this is just to let them know it's not the best news that you're bringing unfortunately also the natural reaction to option two is okay Well that wasn't that bad let's try another

one this can be used when talking a family members of hostages or even the hostage takers themselves so when they're delivering horrendous news to them do you say one you sound angry or two I know you're angry I know you're angry yes one is going to get you the response of yeah you boo you're the one that pissed me off or even of course I'm angry you idiot you made me angry but with you You're more likely to get a response of yeah and what are you going to do about it that at least gives

the hostage negotiator an opportunity to make it right wait can you say those two again you sound angry I know you're angry I know you're angry wow it's so subtle it's crazy this is what the hostage negotiators from the FBI were talking about it's just switching a few words and that makes or breaks a hostage negotiation because in a hostage Situation not talking about the anger does not make it go away anger is the elephant in the room so you just need to address it in a way that doesn't escalate the situation mhm and last

question before we get started do you know what the fbom is in negotiations it's like the one word that you cannot abuse but it is incredibly overused in almost all negotiations business relationships friendships colleagues everywhere it's been used Too Much used too much and it's not good no the f bomb F bomb what do you want want in a negotiation think even business negotiation what do I want what do both parties want okay so it needs to be a win-win it needs to be a fair fair fair fair is the F-bomb hostage negotiator Chris Vos

said that there are three types of ways to use the word fair and only one of them is correct can you guess which one one we just want what's fair for everyone fair for you fair for Us we want both parties to be happy and healthy no two we've given you a fair offer this is the best we can do I really tried to get the best deal for you I really did no three I want you to feel like you're being treated fairly so please stop me at any time if you feel like I'm

being unfair yeah yeah the third one sounds so much better yeah so he said that don't even use that word unless you're using it so correctly like the third one so for one it's wrong Because the implication of like I want what's fair for both of us whoever utters those words is already admitting loss they've already got the short end of the stick that means they already feel like you're scamming them two is wrong because it's almost condescending trust me this is a fair deal this is the best you're going to get it's like you

don't know it but I'm letting you know this is the best three is the best because it disarm someone it makes you Seem like a person of integrity and very reasonable to work with because at the end of the day everyone wants to be treated fairly they want what's fair but what is fair when you've taken four Teenage hostages by gun point it's 1:00 p.m. on a Monday 15-year-old aloa and her three best friends Nara that's her best best friend okay she calls her Barbie because of her blonde hair and then two guy friends from

school they're over at Alois family apartment and They're just finishing up their geography homework it's not chaotic but there's like a nice Lively energy in the place there's music playing in the background they were hungry so they just ate lunch and the smell of food is lingering aloa is going around doing some chores around the house her little brother and parents won't be home till later so she's trying to get as much done as possible she's making the bed putting clothes away running the laundry Running the dishes and suddenly the door flings open and there

is a man standing in the doorway he's just standing in the doorway staring at them aside from the fact that he just burst into the apartment Uninvited his body language is unsettling his posture is unnaturally rigid he's scanning the room like he's looking for something or someone but most unsettling of all he's got a gun in in his hand and he was looking for aloa he is ala's stalker and for a split Second everybody's Frozen I mean the stalker is in the doorway and finally he opens his mouth and he says oh boy you're all

in the wrong place at the wrong time I came to kill aloa the man jumps into action he flings his body across the room and he slaps the two teenage boys across the face he slams the butt of the gun down on their heads sit down on the bed sit down he grabs aloa by her arm and in front of her school classmates he just starts Beating her viciously excessively kicking her punching her slapping her her three friends are just sitting on the bed terrified they're screaming for help and then he fires the gun at

the door and they go silent because this man is not joking around his eyes are bulging out of his face and he's whipping the gun around like it's just like a bandana or like a flag that you would wave around in the air I'm going to kill aloa and then Myself and with that the clock has started it is time for negotiations the first hour of a hostage situation is the most crucial if you were to see the state of emotions during a hostage situation over time one of the highest peaks would be at the

first hour highest emotion highest risk highest consequences the hostage taker in the first hour usually feels a massive surge of adrenaline it's almost euphoric the feeling of complete power and control Adrenaline levels will shoot up five 500% above Baseline 500% of like what you and I feel right now times 500% in Adrenaline to give you an idea our levels only increase 500% in severe life-threatening situations like if a shark is swimming straight at you with their teeth showing or if you're in the middle of an earthquake and the building is collapsing that is when your

adrenaline Peaks 500% above Baseline your senses are so alert so heightened You almost feel like you have super hearing like you became a superhero you can hear three apartment units down from you every Creek things seem brighter in color your brain tricks you into thinking you've never been so clear-minded your brain might even trick you into becoming blind to the reality of fatality to death it said dopamine levels can increase by 50% that's your brain's feelings of reward motivation and sense of power your serotonin levels Your happy chemicals rise 20 to 30% which is an

increase of you just feel happy in this situation you're likely to feel 70 to 80% more self assured than usual as a hostage taker in the first hour alone now the dangerous part of all of this is what goes up must come down and it comes down really quick it's not even in the first hour sometimes it comes down in 10 minutes and once you're back down a baseline it's going to feel horrendous you're going to start Sweating profusely from The increased anxiety you might feel trembling and nausea the amydala the brain's Spar center it's

like a it's like a tiny almond shaped panic button it starts going off non-stop non-stop the fire alarm the sprinklers inside your brain and technically your body cuz you're sweating a lot you can't catch your breath it feels like you ran a marathon you can hear thumping in your ears it sounds like there's a drum playing in Your chest your whole body is just slick with sweat your hands are shaking and you're trying to hold your gun steady but it's about to fall out because you're so sweaty and you're shaking you keep rolling your neck

because the tension is so you just feel so sore it feels like you've been carrying a heavy backpack of rocks all day long the tension starts leading to headaches and and you just want to scream shut up shut up everyone let me think for a Second even when nobody's talking attention span decreases 25 to 35% field of vision Narrows 20 to 30% working memory decreases by 20 to 30% your brain is trying to work through 5 to 10 potential plans or possible outcomes per minute H because your brain is trying to anticipate the reaction of

the hostages the police the negotiators because at the end of the day even if you're an evil person your brain is trying to Protect you any little mistake any little oversight life or death now there are three sides to each hostage situation the hostage taker the hostage and the hostage negotiator and the power will actually EB and flow between the three parties sometimes it changes on a daily basis or even a minute by minute second by second basis who holds the power and unfortunately the person with the most power is the one with the least

to Lose in Brazil there is a special tactical action group called gate so they focus on hostage situations it would be comparable I don't know if comparable in skill and training but comparable to the US's FBI hostage negotiation team 70 gate officers they would show up surround the apartment building and set up HQ at the school nearby headquarters the command center the school that aloa and the three others went to that's the command center The hostage negotiator's job is to understand all the emotions the power plays from what's going on inside that apartment and try

to get everyone to walk out alive they're focused on strategy and mind games but gate also called on a Tactical Team they're focused on trying to get in and disarm the hostage taker whenever they see an opportunity strategy and snipers very different teams that have to work together to deescalate their motto for Gate is time p patience and calm then you have the hostage taker armed dangerous and usually mad sad and mentally mad that's how they describe them mad sad and mentally mad mad mentally ill yeah and all they want is something demands for money

give me $100,000 and I'll let your daughter go give me a getaway car and a duffel bag of untrackable hundreds and I'll let the bank tellers go do they want release or exchange of people let inmate John Doe Go from Riker prison and I'll let my hostage go or maybe it's religious or political air my sermons on national television and I will release the kids that was a real demand from a religious cult leader the Prime Minister steps down or else someone's getting shot and then you have the hostages every day both hostage taker and

hostage negotiator will argue about the value of the hostages life with none of their input but their power is in their Existence they're as powerful as as much as the hostage negotiators think their life is worth which is a very scary situation to be in but in this case there's actually a fourth group the press this is the case of the very first almost live streamed hostage situation broadcast on live television in real time with a live audience outside the apartment building watching in real time cheering for one side or the other like they're watching

a baseball game The Press seemingly right off the bat they knew that there was a hostage situation they rushed over to the apartment they ran through the same process the hostage negotiators did which is identify the hostages inside this is aloa pimentel's apartment so likely the hostage taker came for her specifically their next course of action same with gate was to track down every single person that was ever in ala's life to get exclusive interviews with them to air in real time That potentially even aloa herself would be watching from inside the apartment they could

even ask do you want to say something to aloa that would be good TV so journalist they managed to track down ala's ex-boyfriend which was likely the most interesting person in terms of news coverage I mean forget a classmate forget a teacher ex-boyfriend and they start spinning together this whole story starcross lovers but once she gets out of there once this whole thing is over And she's no longer being held hostage they're going to get back together and it's going to be the wedding of the century hostage freed freed hostage bride think about that they

will have this realization the both of them that they miss each other that they cannot live without each other that was the story that the news was spinning one expert media attorney stated on air I'm very optimistic I hope it all ends well and I hope that there will be a Wedding for him and aloa his passionate ex-girlfriend somewhere in the future I really hope that this all has a happy ending and I'm certain it will well we do have lindenburg aloa X on the line right now this is a live phone conversation aired on

live television lindenberg how are you feeling feeling what do you want to tell the people about your ex aloa what what's going on people might not believe me but right now I'm not thinking about me or anyone Else I'm just thinking about ala's life I believe that you really liked her she's your girlfriend for a very long time right that's right 2 years and 7 months the media is a circus you know they make up a lot of things that aren't true but regardless ala's ex-boyfriend lindenberg was very helpful over the phone he said I'm

I'm positive that this is going to end in the best way possible the journalist smiled and tried to sympathize with him so that she could Keep him on the phone and near the end of the phone call she pauses maybe to verify that the cameras are still rolling that they're still alive and she asks through the phone wait lindenburg before you hang up can can you let me speak to aloa for a little bit 1 minute you get one minute talk aloa the journalist looks hesitant aloa and then the call Cuts aloa is at the

bus stop staring I mean everywhere aloa went lindenburg Went and this is before the hostage situation this is when he was just her stalker not her hostage taker if aloa was getting out of class he would ride his motorcycle very slowly near her school until he spots her in her little backpack then he would speed up and then slow down only when he gets so close enough that he's basically riding his motorcycle while she's walking and he doesn't even talk to her he just stares her down the whole way through refuses To leave even if

she starts running he steps on the pedal a tiny bit he just wants to ride right next to her staring her down going 2 m per hour never saying a word aloa naturally was terrified she would find all these new routes to take home so that she would try to escape him that he wouldn't come and see her out of school she would sneak around the Alleyways trying to find Busy Pockets where he can't even ride his motorcycle into it was absolutely utterly miserable Everywhere she went she felt like she had eyes tracking her she

would start second guessing every word that she said every facial expression that she made she felt the need to analyze things and to him that's not even enough the phone at home would start ringing Al's mom Anna would pick up hello if your daughter does not see me I will take Desperate Measures desperate Anna Al's mom would just hang up the phone Alo his ex-boyfriend Lindenberg he was just always had a flare for being dramatic he would say these things he just really liked attention and worst case scenario maybe he would harm himself and that's

a big problem but she doubted it but even if he did is that really her problem her priority is her child and he's a full- grown adult aloa she felt like a hostage before she was even taken hostage a few weekends before lindenburg walked into the apartment and slammed the door shut She was standing at a bus station scrolling on her phone when she feels something weird she feels watched she looks looks up and down the other side and then across the street she sees lindenburg just standing there staring at her her eyebrows crinkle she's

holding on to multiple textbooks heavy textbooks in her arms and she's waiting for the bus or at least she thought okay maybe this will be a good Shield because lindenberg is now crossing the street And heading straight for her get back together with me what no ala wasn't going to do that I made a lot of mistakes but I love you you know that right aloa tried to ignore him she didn't want to talk to him or see him ever again she thought okay I thought I made this very very clear but lindenberg loses his

temper he just starts yelling threatening her slapping her across the face throwing her books all over the floor and aloa just stands There shocked this is the first time he's been violent with her and she runs back home crying she runs in through the family door slams it shut the picture frames on the walls are probably shaking she books it straight for her room her face is red it's swollen from crying and Douglas Al's little brother tries to knock on her door are you okay is everything all right in there she doesn't respond Douglas has

a pretty strong gut feeling like a very bad gut Feeling about this one he thought lindenburg was the one doing this to his sister so he decides to Camp outside the apartment building to make sure that he doesn't show up until his parents get home and Douglas would sit on the curb angry with himself because he was the one that introduced 20-year-old lindenburg to his 12-year-old sister when ala's parents had gotten home they were so enraged they called Linden ber and they demanded an apology and he just Told them well I could do a whole

lot worse trust me now in the tiny little apartment aloa is squeezed onto the bed with three of her friends she's trying to calm lindenburg down initially very briefly she does try to tell him what he wants to hear or at least what she thinks he wants to hear I mean she doesn't really know for sure what to do in this type of situation lindenberg is a lot of people use the word manic translated to Describe him I try not to use that word lightly but it's said that a lot of Hostage takers do display

signs of mania during the first few hours there's a sense of barely contained chaos that's just ready to burst out they become almost to an unseasoned negotiator they seem a th% entirely unpredictable I I'll get back together with you it's going to be okay we can try to figure this out calm down and we can talk about it just you and I no now I don't want that anymore I don't want you anymore I came here to kill you and I'm going to kill you and then lindenberg would have a new change of plans either

he was going to kill aloa or he was going to kill aloha's friends in front of aloa so that aloa could suffer or he was going to kill all of them he looks around and he spots Niara the other girl hostage the only other girl in the apartment her it's going to be her Niara could feel it He was going to choose to kill her lindenberg always always complained to aloa that she listened to Niara too much that Niara was a bad influence that always told her to break up with lindenberg but none of that

was even true but it's not like he cares right he makes them all lay down he grabs shirts from the laundry ties them together uses them to tie up the hostages legs and arms and then they wait if you ever visit my house don't Open my closet I may have a problem because I have been buying some clothes here and there and then I never get around to organizing them for whatever reason and I don't even wear most of them because I don't know where they are and I don't know what pile it's in and

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once said me making you dumber than me will always hurt me but that doesn't mean you should know everything right or at least as much as you can but never make the hostage taker Feel like you know something that they don't know that you know a lot more that you're smarter than them you need to use every piece of information to your advantage and reveal it piece by piece bit by bit by calculated controlled ways to the hostage taker if you reveal too much information at once you've shown them everything you have and you're putting

them on the defense they feel threatened which is never good if you don't know much at all well you're just Flat out at a disadvantage the first things hostage negotiators typically go for profiles profiles of the hostage Shaker and all the hostages and floor plans what does the inside of that apartment look like I need that information now how was gate alerted of the hostage situation so early on there were four hostages in the apartment all teenagers aloa and her three friends one of the hostages the guy ones was named Victor Victor told his dad

that he'd be Coming home at around 5:00 p.m. after spending the day at aloa doing homework he never made it home Victor's dad being protective came to Alois to see if something was keeping him he walked up to the apartment door knock knock nothing he's about to turn and walk away but he heard weird noises coming from the other side of the door it's unclear what noises he heard but it was enough to make him pause and go that's a bit strange that's what he said it just Sounded strange he thought something wasn't right so

whether he heard screaming or sounds of beating I don't know but he wanted to get into that apartment so he tries to break down the door by kicking it in and someone on the other side of the door screams who's out there don't come near the door don't try to do anything or else I will kill everyone in this room Victor's dad runs downstairs fumbling with his phone trying to call The police but there happened to be a police car sitting at the complex he Flags down the officer sergeant valeriano we're going to call him

Sergeant V he gets out of his patrol car makes his way to the apartment door hoping that he's going to deescalate the situation but instead he hears the same voice get away or I'll kill them all Sergeant V pauses he's like I need a moment to think because I can't act too rash perpetrator fires in the direction Of the door thankfully nobody was hit Sergeant V gets on the radio to call for Urgent backup perpetrator hears the radio is agitated fire again through the door thankfully he missed once more however neighbors heard the commotion they

start coming out of their units to investigate they call their friends from other apartment buildings their buddies and their sisters and brothers some call the police some call the journalists and now they're forming a small group at the Base of the building to try and see if they can get into the unit or see into the unit it is a live crowd watching a hostage situation so who's the main hostage in this case that's what the police need to know when they get on the scene and what did the hostage taker come for 15-year-old aloa

Pimentel her classmates say that she's bright happy but incredibly shy she doesn't talk much she's closest with her mom they're Practically joined at the hit before this favorite activity was shoe shopping aloa would be allowed to try on high heels and walk around the department store like a little fashion show Family Dynamic parents Anna and Aldo two younger brothers ronx and Douglas the whole family seems to know the hostage taker his name is lindenburg like introduced to the pimental through the little brother Douglas the younger brother of aloa and lindenberg the Hostage taker short-tempered he

likes to play soccer but neighbors say that all of his games are cut short because he would get into a fist fight at the end he works two jobs one as a delivery guy during the day and at night he does pizza deliveries and right now dangerous armed with a giant plastic bag of ammunition he came prepared it appears he went in with the intention of staying a while it is likely that this situation was triggered by a breakup between the Two of them and when I say those words I'm not saying that's a reasonable

reason like that's not what I'm saying I'm saying lindenburg likely felt that this is why he had to do what he had to do that's what the hostage negotiators are also picking up on but some neighbors would report to the police that they saw this coming they said that every night ala's parents weren't home or they were asleep in their apartment aloa and lindenberg would meet in the Parking lot and just scream fight in each other's faces and it was just always a strange pairing to begin with the two of them aside from the 8-year

age Gap they just weren't a pairing that made sense in everybody's mind they were opposites but not in like the cute oh my God they're each other's halves no in like the she's way too good for him what does she even see in him she's incredibly sweet and he's just obnoxious and aggressive and Just kind of vile and he's 20 and she's 12 exactly like that again that's just aside from the alarming alarming age Gap obviously Al's parents hated this relationship they were disgusted by it I don't even think that they were thrilled that their

son Douglas had a 20-year-old friend but apparently they played soccer together and that's how they all met but this is their daughter and at first they thought absolutely not we're going to do Whatever it takes to make sure she's not dating a 20-year-old but it's not that easy when is the last time you told a 12-year-old to stop doing something and they stopped doing it loa's parents ran through all the different outcomes in their head and they're thinking okay this is probably the safest we're gonna let her date him but there's going to be a

lot of rules curfew is at 10: you only meet in the house when you're on a date if it's just YouTube If you ever leave the house to go on a dinner date a lunch date a bowling date you take Douglas with you and the door always stays open that is the only way this is allowed because they didn't want her sneaking out and doing these things so for the next two plus years ala's parents actually start seeing lindenberg as one of their own kids he was just always around but there was this very unsettling

incident ala's mom decided to have lunch with Linden BG's mom one day and you know the kids are close but the families aren't that close and it's like she was giving ala's Mom a warning she said he's um he can be an altered person he likes to play the role of head of the house and unfortunately Al's parents didn't know this but from the very beginning of their relationship obviously it was all about power I mean lindenberg is 8 years older than aloa You don't date someone who's 12 when you're 20 unless you're sick in

the head but also you have a weird strong yearning for power that type of power Dynamic is just bizarre it is almost complete and total power that you're chasing and the rules were as follow aloa is never to speak to a friend without him present even if it's a girlfriend so long as lindenberg is not there why should aloa be enjoying herself why should she be even talking At all family dinners same thing if lindenberg isn't invited is it really a family dinner why would aloa need to attend if she wanted to do anything other

than study sleep or just sit there staring at the wall thinking about lindenburg lindenberg should know about it approve it and better yet be there for it aloa was not allowed to do anything without his presence those are some insane rules to even try and enforce which ironically lindenberg of Course did not abide by the same rules one Anonymous friend stated that lindenberg was always at the club on the weekends without the only reason that the relationship lasted 3 years was because lindenburg is a master manipulator he would love bom aloa break up with her

make it seem like she was the horrendous one and that she had broken his heart then the next day he would come back begging for forgiveness or sometimes he would just Talk to her the next day as if they didn't break up last night and she would just be so confused this constant back and forth was the this crazy push and pull experience that lindenburg had complete power over until one day aloa was over it she's like I'm not doing this anymore she went to her mom's room one night and her mom's like what's what's

wrong sweetie mom you were right I don't want to date anymore I just want to focus on studying and focus on my Friendships aloa did not tell her all of these other details these would come out later so once the police they gather all this information then they're working to calm down the press the public the families and anyone else that could be watching the police from the news every word that the agents even deliver to a journalist has to be super calculated likely the hostage taker is listening the family members of the hostage taker

and the hostages are listening Everybody's involved it's very delicate the police stood in front of the press we have a lot of different tactics that could be used in this case and if there are signs that the hostages lives are in danger we will take more drastic measures but in our current situation the best we can do is move on with the negotiations we are optimistic that we will solve this situation that is all thank you Sergeant V is going to be the one primarily talking to lindenberg not Because he's a hostage negotiator but because

a lot of the times interesting rule rule of thumb is regardless of ranking first law enforcement officer to have contact with the hostage taker is usually handling a lot of the vocal conversations they're heavily involved really they might introduce the main hostage negotiator but they're still going to be giving calls and saying certain things that's so interesting I guess that's the first Person on the scene so there is a little bit more of a I wonder if it's subliminal a little bit of trust subconsciously like since the beginning not just some Rando big shot that

was called in even if they're not trained in hostage negotiations it's just a level of trust it's very interesting but he would have the hostage negotiators just instructing everything that he's doing word for word they probably went through rigorous Training hopefully at one of the top two hostage negotiation training centers in the world the bureau is one the FBI training center for hostage negotiations and Scotland yards in London so apparently those are the most reputable most rigorous programs because if they had gone they would have gone through very intense high stakes trials 60 seconds or

she dies that's the exercise FBI hostage negotiators will go through during training over and over again 60 Seconds or she dies they're taught every phone conversation every word has weight in hostage negotiation a negotiator has to know how to convey the message they want in the quickest most effective way they might go in ready to say things like I want to see you survive this you know whatever else goes with that let's pick a point in the future 5 years from now a year from now that we're both good that we're both happy and then

let's work our Way back why because people make their decisions based on their vision of the future find out what their vision of the future is and then remove yourself as a threat they might continue we're on opposite sides of the fence right now but that's not going to stop us from being together on the same side in the future the biggest differences between conversations and negotiations are conversations are about exploring there's no set goal negotiations are all About closure and resolution there is a goal and there's a taking time bomb do you know the

most powerful tool in any verbal communication your voice the literal sound and inflections and how you draw out your words and your Cadence the tone all that plays a role in being a good hostage negotiator some of them you listen to them on podcasts they have such a soothing Voice or it's almost a slightly authoritative but not too Overly powerful voice it's like right in the middle it's not too soft the three voices of negotiations are as follows late night radio host positive playful friend and assertive direct Communicator the key identifiers in the late radio

host voices being the voice of calm and reason I'm your host for this midnight show it sounds like that I'm just it's a soft down inflection at the end of every sentence it's Authority without triggering defensiveness but you don't Go without triggering defensiveness then there's the playful positive friend voice this should actually be your default voice it's easygoing good natured outside this situation I'd be a fun person to share a beer with okay even after all of this maybe we'll be drinking buddies I can take a joke come on let's hear it say something wild

and then the last one assertive direct Communicator you would think that This is what most hostage negotiators operate in it's not they say that this voice is almost always counterproductive it's like slapping yourself in the face while trying to make progress FBI negotiator Chris Voss said it's like getting hit in the face with a brick and that is never a great idea which it's kind of hard to get out of because most law enforcement officers are trained only in this voice so to learn that this voice is actually bad loud clear Commands are actually bad

and it makes people feel attacked it's going to be very hard to reset your boundaries so the first two is good yes the last one is bad the last one is very rarely you need to set a boundary set it with this voice but it's only when you need to set incredibly firm boundaries M and then you should kind of EB and flow between the other two sometimes you need to be a little bit more light goinging then sometimes you need to calm them Down yeah and keep them at a place where you know what

you're talking about and just trust me this is going to be okay that makes sense yeah and another key important point is 73855 Rule 7% of messages are conveyed through the words 38% tone of voice for example I'm really impressed by how much you've learned in a short amount of time I'm really impressed impressed by how much you've learned in a short amount of time one is seems a little more genuine One is like I don't know if they're patronizing me or not I don't know if this is like condescending but that still leaves 45%

of the percentages what is that body language now how do you do that when all you have is a phone Focus even more on tone because once you have a set tone close your eyes hi everyone did it sound like I'm smiling yeah you can almost picture someone's body language through the way That their voice sounds and their tone oh and one more thing veteran negotiator V said along the lines of Silence silence is good sit there in Silence with the hostage taker why because you don't sit in silence with people you don't know you

try to feel the silence you sit in silence with people that you're intimate with there is a level of intimacy and you need to manufacture it sometimes so now they know who's in the apartment they know The floor plan they know Loa and her relationship with a hostage taker they know who lindenburg is they just need to know what the hell he wants the first call in the hostage negotiation is everything two things have to be done the hostage negotiator has to let them know that they're listening and want to help and then they have

to figure out what the hostage taker wants so the sergeant V puts the phone up to his ear he's getting ready to introduce himself Because you want to introduce yourself by name and lindenberg picks up they're screaming on the other end and he freaks out what why why is there screaming on the other end lindenberg is out of breath oh I'm just beating my girlfriend this aloa is screaming in the background I'm not your girlfriend there's harsh like d d from the other side of the line and he's screaming lindenberg is screaming shut up shut

up shut up ala's mom would get Involved and try to reason with lindenberg that she could try and talk to aloa get her to see his side and get back together with him clearly she's just doing that to get him to release them but lindenberg tells her the authorities I don't want her back anymore I want to kill her that is what he states he wants in the first phone call to kill the [Music] hostage one former FBI negotiator States If it's an impossible ask from the hostage taker from the beginning your hostage is going

to be in bad shape they've made him demand that even if you want to you can't do it's not going to work it didn't seem like gate agents had control over the situation they didn't even have control over the media they're all camped outside trying to get zoom lenses to peer into the apartment there's random crowds of people just Gathering outside to see like ooh is Something going to happen it's a live show I don't know what they're expecting people to be released for them to cheer and then the door to the apartment opens up

they see a foot a foot steps out then another foot and and another foot and another foot the steps get quicker and faster and Pace step step step step steps run down the stairs the two boys have been freed out of nowhere they were released the gate agents did not negotiate their release so how the hell Did they get released this happened like very early day one first like 12 hours inside the apartment it was a very messy scene Lynden Berg is standing there waving his gun around staring eyes bugging out at the four hostages

Victor one of the guys is on the ground he's collapsed aloa is Fanning his face trying to get him to wake up the other guy friend is in the corner pale as somebody can get like sickly pale just standing there cowering Nara aloa friend Is trying to reason with the Mad gunman lindenburg look at them they're getting pale you don't even know them they never did anything to you so just let them go he pauses are you sure that you girls want to be alone in here with me without them you want me to release

them this is a tricky question lindenburg lightly did not want the boys there or any guys near aloa so it's speculated that he let the boys go because he straight up just does not Want Boys near aloa aloa stood up though yes I want them gone let them leave and the door swings open and it was the investigator's very first win but it was not a negotiation that they even made the agents surround the two boys what did lindenberg say what did he say he wanted how was he behaving they're trying to get all the

Intel the boys look at the officers he's very unstable he goes from being calm and then assuring us that everything's going to Be okay to being aggressive and violent with aloa at like the drop of a hat he switches back and forth he keeps changing his mind on his game plan what he wants out of this what he's going to do next at first he said he wanted to kill aloa that's all he said he wanted to do then he said no I'm going to make her suffer by killing all of you in front of

her making her witness all of this and then the next second he would change his mind and then he would scream At the top of his lungs at us nobody's getting out here alive understand and then 2 seconds later his demeanor would shift and he would be very soft with us and say guys don't worry I'm not I'm not actually a bad guy I'm going to release all of you don't stress out nobody's going to get hurt then he would immediately turn around and start violently beating aloa leaving red and purple marks all over her

Skin how is aloa holding up she's obviously scared but she's standing her ground she told him straight up to his face multiple times that she was never getting back with him not the best news not the worst news either I mean obviously it's bad aloa is being assaulted physically but authorities were hopeful because lindenberg decision to release the two boys was likely lindenberg trying to resolve the situation sooner rather than later right Maybe he's letting them go one by one he realizes that this is not what he wants it's not worth it he's just having

a what they call a quote Mental Health crisis and as an upbeat reminder hostage negotiations are successful 93% of the time 93 and usually that 7% is because the bad guys they were never there to make a deal in the first place they just need to play their cards right and this is all going to blow over Okay so the main thing to remember for the gate agents and another famous negotiator Gary said is contain the situation contain the scene put a bubble around it but inside that bubble have open Communications contain but open open

in a contained environment that is key two parties talking openly back and forth with each other hostage negotiator hostage taker sometimes the hostage nobody else the phone rings into the apartment lindenburg still has the gun In his hand and he uses the other to pick up the phone hello hi lindenburg is everything all right in there yeah I'm okay man how is aloa everything okay in there let's talk I want to help you what I want to tell you is the captain is reassuring you that you will not be harmed be sure of that do

you understand how's the situation between you and aloa we're unraveling things here I don't want anything to do with her anymore tell me something why did you decide to Do this were you desperate jealous was that it lindenberg starts getting agitated desperate desperate if I was desperate I would have shot myself in the face and been done with everything no no no don't do that what are you thinking about right now I have no feelings right now I'm coldhearted as no but be calm I know it's hard but be calm is aloa with you is

she calm how is she she's okay hold on she'll talk to you yes put her on the phone please Hello how are you I'm okay is everything okay in there yes everything's okay I want to eat do you want to eat lunch yes I'm weak be calm we talked to lindenburg we'll talk to him again is he treating you well aloa starts crying yes he's treating me well so trust him make him feel relaxed do do you do you want to say something to your mom I just want to know how is my family I

just want to say to my mom that I love her and my father too I love him too be calm talk to Lindenburg he's willing to end things peacefully yeah uh he said that he will let me go yes he will release you be calm think about God and pray lindenburg takes the phone back from aloa he seems agitated he keeps asking how they got his number I'm asking you and you won't respond because I asked you first please don't make me nervous how did you get my phone number don't be nervous we got your

number through our managing team just say who gave it to you I just want To know why can't I just understand we got it from some of your relatives okay lindenberg are you still there I wanted everything to happen naturally that officer shouldn't have been doing they were doing what did that officer do I told them I didn't want anyone to come upstairs but an officer did and he rang the bell we were sleeping and I jumped up scared and I almost shot her no no no be calm man okay we trust you we know

that you're a good person we know that You don't want to do anything bad we trust you I don't want anyone getting close to the building because I'm telling you if anyone comes near that guy that officer that came here the captain I don't know he rang the bell and I almost shot the girl thinking that he was going to break into this place if he did did that now she and I would be dead okay what do you want right now what are you requesting for now I'm just thinking about her she wants to

eat Something for lunch because she's weak and you will release aloa are you planning on releasing her today yes I plan to I do but what happens is that the captain is doing everything wrong he's doing [ __ ] I just want everyone to know that I have a bag full of ammunition here and if anyone comes close I will shoot I understand the line cuts and the man on the other line the one that was having this conversation with Lindenberg turns to the camera and there you have it folks I'm journalist Louise Guera and

that was an exclusive interview with lindenburg the hostage taker exclusively on Reed TV that was a journalist he called in to an active hostage taker situation to interview the hostage taker and air it is that okay to do no but he's do everyone's doing it I don't know if they just didn't have the appropriate laws and the police could not control the Jal if that happened in America it would be crazy yeah it might have happened in America I feel cuz crazy things do be happening but yeah that was an interview with a journalist he

actually works under an even bigger journalist who has her own TV show called Sonia brow she ends up doing another exclusive interview with lindenberg journalists were able to find lindenberg number they would bribe or ask relatives or former friends of his and even though they knew it was highly Unethical they would call and interfere with hostage negotiations because remember everything I said about being a hostage negotiator these journalists don't have that kind of training even the questions that he was asking if you listen back they're instigating him they're making him get riled up why would

you do that so does does lindenberg know that these are journalist reporters he knows okay and he knows that they're being aired and he Actually quite likes it journalist Sonia turns on the camera the last information that we're getting here is that he is about to surrender to the police we just talked to them and he said that he will turn himself in he will release the girls but he wants the TV cameras from all the channels to capture that moment so that he feels safe and knows that nothing bad will happen to him in

the next minutes he will come out into oh we're getting a call she hops on the Call with lindenberg look let me ask you something lindenburg are you afraid that the police are going to shoot you because that's not going to happen why would you ask that like what a way to Peak someone's anxiety and not do a whole lot to calm them down are you afraid of being shot on site don't worry it's not going to happen even though there's armed officers everywhere pointing guns at you even I just showed a montage of it

on my news network of Snipers being pointed at you but don't worry it's not going to happen okay but are you scared tell me how scared you are lindenberg responds no I'm not scared because before coming coming into this I already knew the risk I was aware of what could happened to me now explain something to me lindenberg I think the whole nation watching you know wants to know you told the other journalist that you want nothing to do with aloa anymore so why did you go in the apartment what What did you want from

this is this Revenge I wanted to resolve things with her I tried to sit with her to talk things through but she always turned her back to me and didn't want to listen so I had to use Force to make her listen I understand but did you talk to her did you tell her everything you've been in there for more than 30 hours now I think you've had enough time to tell her everything that you wanted no Alo is not cooperating among the four people who Were here with me everyone was cooperating but aloa she's

just starting to cooperate now how did she not cooperate was she too nervous to do so yes and one time she came up and tried some [ __ ] trying to take the gun out of my hand the gun went off inside the apartment wow good Lord wow if she tries to take the gun from my hands I was shoot what did you want to say to aloa can you tell us I don't think so this is between me and aloa I understand this is A very intimate thing between the two of you right did

you already tell her everything that you wanted to say so now she's cooperating were you able to clear things up about the breakup I had this conversation with her and before you called me here we were talking things over but every time we sit down to talk one of us always ends up stressing out about things and then we have to take a break for things to not get too heated I think it's all just very difficult right Now I know but what do you want from aloa now I want her to be calm I

want her to make me feel calm and then I will will accept anything that the negotiators stay for her to get out of here alive so what day is this now like still first day second day 30 hours in 30 hours in out of a 100 and the police are okay with them calling in they're not doing anything about it they try to get them to stop but they can really control every single journalist and I Guess the journalists are not scared of any legal repercussions I mean even in the end the journalists they just

get slapped with a fine that's about it and this is crazy I mean their ratings were through the roof whoever had these conversations with lindenburg whoever had exclusive footage through the roof Sonia would say it seems like you are willing to kill aloa and that's not true I know you're not that kind of person lindenburg you're not understanding this For her to get out alive I have no intention of killing her I'm not trying to kill her no I'm not saying that you are trying to kill her I said that when you say it like

that like if aloa needs to get out alive the police need to do this people might misinterpret it and I know that you don't mean it that way you're not that kind of person we both want both of you unharmed correct people may not believe me but right now I'm not even thinking about me I'm thinking About ala's life I believe that I believe it I really do and have you been sleeping did you manage to rest no one is telling me about my mother I want to hear from my mother I want to take

this opportunity to tell my mom that everything that's going to happen is the best possible way now Alo is going to get out of here I'm going to get out of here and everything will be fine but it depends on the officers down there they must not pull that [ __ ] again I don't Want anyone to come near this apartment what if I open the door and there's just one of them waiting for me outside and shoots me I know how they are they're smart I'm scared no lindenburg no don't be scared unfortunately I

just don't trust the police you can be rest assured that the whole nation is praying for you too not just for her but for you too everyone is worried about you lindenberg because all the information we got is that you're a good person so no one Understands why you're putting yourself and this girl in this dangerous situation but now that you said that you wanted to talk to her and already did and you've cleared things up that's it that's enough you already got what you wanted didn't you I will put aloa on the line for

everyone to hear that she is okay okay hello hello aloa this is Sonia [ __ ] earlier today you talked to Louise our journalist now we're live we were talking to lindenberg right now and I Wanted you to tell us if you're okay lindenberg says now that you're more relaxed you are cooperating did you eat lunch yes I ate and how are you your voice sounds better and how is lindenberg he said that you already talked about the breakup is lindenberg hearing us right now yes he's hearing us does he know about his sister's message

what message we heard it just now we heard that his sister lindenberg sister Susie said that If she could talk to lindenberg right now she would ask him to turn himself in as soon as possible because their mom and his other sisters are suffering a lot she said that you two had always gotten along just fine she said that she has nothing bad to say about him he doesn't drink or smoke she even thought that the two of you would eventually get back together she told us that lindenberg is the youngest of the siblings only

22 years old and he had Dreams about getting married having a family owning a house one day and she wants to talk to him if possible she wants to put an end to this quickly because it's a lot of suffering you know so it's like a lot of talking but the message is unclear right it's not like mov this into like a solution it's just a lot of like oh my God family sister mother like is that what's happening they just want to like create a story what's going on they want to create a Story

the message is very unclear and it's kind of crazy that even with the journalist they have the opportunity to talk to the hostage and just on a human to human level okay I understand that they're trying to do their jobs right and maybe their livelihoods are on the line but on a human to human level would you not want to know how the hostage is doing and ask questions about them or give them things that reassure them but even in this opportunity she's still Talking about lindenburg like aloa is nobody to anybody that was one

thing that a lot of nens were upset with like this whole conversation with Sonia the fact that she's able to get aloa on the phone which hostage takers typically do not let you talk to hostages often and you're still talking about he had dreams of a family it's like everything is painting lindenberg to be a good person who did Something bad yeah but I I think that that is trying not to triggering him to do more bad things right yes but it actually backfired let me tell you how so all the Press they're going around

painting lindenburg as a 22-year-old star cross lover correct now a lot of the older general public because they didn't know the outcome they didn't know better they didn't know the full story they're just seeing little snippets on the news and what the host are telling Them they believed that is also true the police said because of that they could not be more aggressive with lindenberg because it would backfire on them because if everybody has the perception that this is a young boy they kept using the word boy in all the news stations a young boy

who just loves a girl and is having a breakdown and is going to regret this and they shoot him on site out the window who's going to get fired who's Going to get fired wow yeah so that's what the police argue later so they're saying it was like this very toxic cycle of like nothing was getting done by anybody at this point because of how publicized it was in real time the police even asked the journalist get all the footage you want just air it when we resolve it like immediately after air everything unedited uncut

raw footage whatever but there's nothing they can do to stop them No that's crazy yeah it's just so bizarre lindenberg takes the phone back when aloa gets out she's going to take the two guns that I have and no ammunition and I will come out with my hands up if someone shoots me no one's going to shoot you for God's sake don't think that way we want a happy ending this to this story and it's not just me everyone out there the police have no intention of taking anyone's life on the contrary they have no

reason to take Your life lindenberg don't think like that so you have family members of the hostages press journalists camera crew trying to get better position near the building to get a slightly better shot gate hostage negotiation teams tactical teams local police departments neighbors just any other passer by that just wants to be there just a few floors down in an open space right underneath the building where a mad gunman is armed with two guns and a baggie of ammo there's just No way that this is going to end well and it doesn't so whether

it was for show or show proof of life or to get media attention on this case lindenberg would periodically Force aowa to wave out the window he would use her head to cover his head so a sniper could not get a good shot he would hold her in place by her neck with a gun pointed at her back he would force her to stick her head out the window and wave sometimes it was a thumbs up and it Was almost always clear that her condition was degrading over time it was getting worse she's yeah she

looks bruised she looks abused she looks mentally exhausted she looks emotionally traumatized to the fullest extent so you're saying 30 in and he's talking to these reporters saying that he's going to let her out and he's going to walk out he doesn't want anything there's no demands that's it m but he's never doing it yes and a lot of speculation is Because he really enjoyed the media coverage he wanted more and more interviews actually when he starts negotiating again with hostage negotiators is when journalists are kind of sick of the same interviews over and over

they want new information they want new developments they don't want to hear the same thing from him M that's when he starts going back to the negotiators so it's just absolute chaos it's just so messy and lindenberg is becoming Increasingly unhinged after hour 30 there were girls that were coming up to his window saying like we love bad boys we love you but then another group of girls saw that got really upset and they came next to the window and said you're a freaking monster and you deserve like punishment he opened the window stuck out

his gun and open fire he was irritated yeah very irritated how is there like girls even allowed to go there and why are they Saying that like I love bad boys so okay we did Research into it and I was thinking maybe it's the and I'm going to mispronounce this word okay it's like Hyster It's when um seral Killers have wives in prison it's like there is an attraction to the dark criminals because you feel like they're going to kill other people but they're not going to kill me I'm different I'm special something is not

you know it's not a normal Al Feeling to have maybe it's also the media coverage yes so I was debating like is it that and I was trying to look into it and cross reference like what they were saying with what a lot of these people feel in their symptoms and it wasn't matching so I I think it's more so with the media coverage they really marketed him as just like this boy that's so in love and it's like of course every girl wants to have someone who's so in love with her yeah yeah yeah

So really the media marketing on this one is just foul fortunately nobody got hurt but but things are quickly escalating lindenburg is opening fire on innocent people I mean it's truly Mayhem at this point he just randomly decides to throw soccer team jerseys outside the window nobody knows why there's shots fired there are crowds cheering there's girls screaming I love bad boys it's chaos the soccer coach for that team that national team shows up and is like Hey can I help negotiate and they're like um I think we're okay like it was just incredibly messy

and this sounds like there's nobody's taking charge of this no and lindenberg sister also arrives at the scene to try and talk to him they brought an attorney to help negotiate for better conditions for lindenburg if he gets arrested they also tried to tell the press my brother is a very nice and calm person he just got depressed after the breakup I think He's making the biggest dumbest mistake of his life and she's not worth it nobody is she's going to get out of there and his life is going to be ruined she's not worth

it yeah so everything is escalating out of of control the negotiators realize the biggest mistake that they have is that they can't see in the apartment they can't get a clear view the whole apartment is blocked the windows when they're not open they're blocked they can't get a camera in there They can only call lindenburg picks up sometimes and they hope that when he picks up he wants to talk he wants to tell them what's going on meanwhile lindenburg can see everything going on outside he can see what the police are saying what they prepping

how they're stationed around their building who they're investigating what their strategy is how they think he can see what the public wants the authorities to do is it time to storm in do they want Lindenberg to be freed and given a slap on the wrist because he's just a boy in love they can't see but lindenberg can see them there's one easy way to fix that everyone has their cameras pointed up at the apartment hoping to get another money shot of aloa out the window and then it goes dark the power was shut off by

gate agents in most hostage situations this is a tactic that is frequently used it's just to make their lives more inconvenient forces Them to negot neate and it's interesting sometimes you take away something give it back but with enough Mind Games you actually make the hostage taker feel like you're giving them something but in reality you took it away and you're just giving it back you're using it as I will give you this for that yeah but you they already had that it's crazy yeah so that's why they do that but it seems like for

this situation it's they turned it off so that he can't watch the news And lindenberg is pissed he calls the turn the lights back on I will but let's talk turn the light on otherwise I'll start hitting the girls I'm going to start attacking these girls the girls are going to suffer and pay close attention aloa starts screaming in the background of the call begging him to stop lindenberg is literally assaulting aloa while on the phone with negotiators now after the power goes out ala's mom gets another call this time from aloa She almost drops

her phone trying to answer it as quickly as possible honey honey are you okay Mom do you trust me of course I trust you I always trusted you so please tell them to turn the power back on ala's mom didn't know what to do or even what to say because on one hand she knows aloa is in danger if she doesn't do anything on the other hand she knows that lindenberg is forcing her to call her right now if the power is back on if he gets what he wants is Ala's mom helping prolong the

situation is ala's mom helping him win before she can respond her husband ala's dad grabs the phone and screams no honey they can't turn it back on they can't and the L goes dead at the hour 32 mark an exchange is made an eye for an eye well not entirely but it's something the negotiators will turn the lights back on and lindenberg will open the door to the apartment someone is seen running down The hallway to the stairs the pacing gets faster and faster down the stairs and into the crowd of people surrounding that person

outside her family surrounding her smelling her hair making sure it's hurt they're scanning her entire body looking for any serious wounds journalists are trying to squeeze through each other trying to get the best angle Best Shot the police need to rush her to the hospital Nara was freed meaning the only one left in the Apartment now was aloa with lindenburg some saw it as a good sign the two boys Nara they're all out some say that means aloa is going to be out others said no he went in there for aloa that's what he went

for to begin with that's the only one he cared about when he took them hostage his words in the beginning were I'm going to kill her 10: p.m. the lights turn back on 11:30 p.m. the door opens naara runs out of the complex she's rushed to the hospital With minor injuries she is processing a lot of trauma the hostage negotiators talk to her for 6 hours after her release and they just want to know everything they want to be filled in for the past 34 hours he kept the girls apart every day he would put

one in the bedroom one in the living room they were both tied up blindfolded they couldn't see anything but the back of the blindfold throughout the day Niara would hear sounds of lindenberg beating aloa And aloa would scream for help he was screaming at her punching her kicking her and then it would stop and in a split second not even a full second he would be like please kiss me kiss me right now what he would go from beating aloa to being like can you kiss me but she kept denying him and it got to

the point naara the best friend just screamed just do it aloa please just kiss him you're going to die but she refused he was Having severe mood swings in the middle of a casual conversation with the girls he would just start threatening them but it's not like he was on or anything he just he had a lack of sleep he almost never slept he would take sporadic catnaps really light every morning he was oddly very full of energy it just didn't make any sense he was very erratic also after he lets Niara out briefly the

news was talking about how the police stated it was in exchange for The power being turned back on literally an exchange of power but lindenberg really did not like that he would call up the journalist and let it be known that is not why he let out Nara he said he let out Nara because Nara has a very bad relationship with her father her father had walked out on the family years ago had no contact with any of his children he found out that Niara was being held hostage so he drove all the way back

into town and was waiting Outside and he thought perhaps they could be reunited perhaps this would teach nara's father what it means to be a good dad to Val your child it's an experience of you didn't know what you had until you lost it that is why he leted her out it's not for the power that he really desperately wanted to be turned back on no it was because he related to her story he just wanted the family unit to be strong he said my mom was my mom and my dad for me I didn't

Grow up with my father but there's still time for nara's father to mend their relationship I looked at her and she was crying so I told Niara that I was going to give her a chance I'm going to let her go and give her father a chance to be there for her just you know bringing her into this world does not make you a father a father has to care so these you know they still want to be a hero yeah and the police are like that's not true at all and even the Journalists are

calling him out on it because they're like and it didn't touch you when aloa talked about her family on the phone and she said Mom I love you dad I love you don't worry about me it'll be okay at that moment they're desperate too that didn't touch you your sisters are desperate for you to be let out none of that touches you like it doesn't make any sense so that's a narrative he's trying to push they also ask him how the police are doing with Him in negotiations and he's just really upset he feels like

the police are constantly lying to him now lying to a hostage taker as a negotiator is one of the worst things that you can do even if it's unintentional so the reason he feels like they're lying is because he told them nobody is allowed to approach the apartment at one point a police officer did approach the apartment he was very upset about that but according to Chris Vos the FBI Negotiator he said first of all there is a chance that the hostage taker is a really good liar a far better liar than you will ever

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to get dressed she rushes to the command center which is just their school and the gate agents surround her nara's mom is there and they're all really concerned like what do the police even want from her at this point what more can she provide sh already told them everything that she knows we need you to go back in there what naira's mom's eyes are just like bulging out of her EXC excuse me this is a 15-year-old we're talking About that just went through something traumatic what are you asking of her right now this is the

only way to save ala's life but Nara will be secure the whole time she's not actually going back into the apartment she's not going to be alone lindenberg personally requested A's little brother Douglas as well lindenberg had told the negotiators that he was ready to turn himself in and he was just really scared that he was going to get shot on site the minute that he Exited the door he can't just use ala's body to Shield him it's not enough so he wants Nara to meet him at the front door he's going to use both

nara's body and ala's body to walk all the way down the steps and because aloa needs medical attention he's going to throw aloa on the ground and then use Douglas's body to Shield him Douglas and nara's and then eventually I guess the police will handcuff him they don't need to shoot him to kill him and everything will be Okay he will survive so he wants two more people the brother and naara to be back okay so the brother is to stand at the bottom of the stair St case Nara is to go to the front

door everyone is stationed and we're ready to go Nara is 15 she has an emotional stuffed animal and she is on the phone with lindenberg while she is physically walking putting one foot in front of the other back to the place that she was just held hostage 12 hours Ago wow hi naara everything okay over there are you okay already yeah I'm okay are are you calm everything calm everything is okay okay are you going to do what you said you're going to do this time yes I will do you trust me naara yeah I

I trust you lindenburg lets Nara talk to aloa to let her know that he's serious this time hi love how are you doing aloa says are you going to come up yeah I will I am at the front door soon don't let any of the police officers up Okay okay no one please is NAA naara calm and yeah she's calm that's crazy brave for her to do this yeah she doesn't have to do it yeah she could say I'm sorry I can't yeah I mean I don't know how a 15-year-old can go back to a

situation like this but she's calm and she says okay well let me speak to him now love cuz I'm at the front aloa reassures Nara that everything will be okay they tell each other that they love each other and Naara gets back on the fun with lindenberg and he is guiding her to the correct position he wants her to be in in front of the front door come closer please I don't see you Nara come to the left Nara is literally right in front of the front door what do you mean he doesn't see her

because that doesn't make sense but before she can respond the door swings open Nara could see how purple and bruised aloa is that's her first response is she's purple all over She tries not to look too shocked because she doesn't want to stress out aloa and before she can even register what happens next she's brought back in she's back in the apartment in like two split seconds he grabs her wrist throws her back in the apartment slams the door shut so he's not leaving no he just wanted her back on national TV in real time

nara's Family watched her get kidnapped once more her grandmother fainted the police made the Judgment Call to put ala's friend nara's life at risk they took a Gamble and they lost they didn't even prep her on what to do in case something went wrong they just trusted lindenburg for whatever reason he's calling the shots he tells them what he wants they do do it without questioning it a single time he's the one setting the rules in situations like this there's always the question of well when does it end which side gives up first because when

does a negotiator Decide to walk away one former hostage negotiator said when the bad guys feel like they've gotten everything they can that's when it ends and this this feels like that it is now approaching the 100 hour mark so they just like naara goes back in and they go quiet for a while nothing crazy happens well I don't want to say nothing crazy it's crazy but in the sense of there's no new developments progressing them to a resolution do you know what Happened in there yeah so it's just back and forth he would go

from being crazy to beating aloa to screaming at her to trying to talk to them in a nice calm manner they would be allowed to watch TV sometimes they would be allowed to sit next to each other but it just was that on end 100 hours is enough time to watch all eight Harry Potter movies five times back back it was 100 hours of high stress life or death assault mental Manipulation and threats for 100 hours straight aloa was starting to lose her mind aloa threw a plate she was in the kitchen and she threw

a plate and it shattered on the floor and maybe it felt good lindenberg and NAA they both just stared at her not once did aloa ever give to lindenberg this whole time during their relationship he had the power he was 8 years older she was a minor he was gaslighting her manipulating her I isolating her and now She refused to give him what he wanted she doesn't want to tell him that they're going to get back together she would rather be beat than kissed him she would rather scream and fight and smile out the window

when she doesn't want to than give him what he wants she aims the plate for him it shatters on the ground and she starts grabbing random objects and throwing them on the ground she does not care anymore that lynen Burg has a gun and she screams I can't do this Anymore if you're going to kill me just do it just kill me already I can't do it anymore kill me okay I can't stand being here anymore lindenberg tries to calm her down because he knows that if the officers think that there's a violent struggle inside

they're going to send in the Tactical Team and he'll probably get shot but aloa could not care less she's over it she's got nothing to lose lindenberg is red in the face do you Want to see your friend dead aloa is still frantic she's not calm but a lot less angry no I don't want to see anyone dead just me just do it already lindenberg puts the gun to nara's head he's been doing this to aloa for the past 90 hours he's bluffing he's not going to shoot her she knew it so aloa keeps screaming

she grabs another plate and then it shatters onto the ground and then slap it's like a gut punch straight to Ala's stomach he slapped Nara hard this was the first time he was violent with someone other than aloa really he didn't touch her the whole time wow aloa froze and her eyes were fixed on lindenburg and she realized she had nothing to lose but her best friend and she's not going to lose her best friend October 17th 2008 Friday ala's mom gets a call from lindenburg and she's begging him please please please release my daughter

she loves you so Please I'm not going to let her go she will only get out of here dead and I don't care anymore if she says she wants to come back to me I don't believe her things were not looking good that morning aloa and naara are sitting down on the mattress with him and he's going through even more intense mood swings if earlier it was like every 10 minutes now it's like every 2 minutes a different a different tone a different message a different goal at one point he even just Like he's sitting

there watching TV zoning out and his arm is resting next to him the gun is in his hand he lifts it up and just shoots through the wall it goes straight into apartment 23 where the police are set up and they just see a bullet just thankfully it doesn't hit anyone but they just see a hole in the wall they see a bullet on the ground yeah he he's starting to lose it and one of his last conversations with The Negotiator was I'm going to be honest with you I'm not going to come out just

to go straight to prison man if I go to prison I'm going to die there it's like a little demon and a little angel are whispering in my ears right now the demon is talking louder and he's telling me what to do and that demon is going to make you very very sad that little demon is telling me to kill both the girls then listen to the angel isn't that better I don't know what's better a Million things are going through my head right now or just break into the already no no there's none of

that okay I guarantee that's not you're not going to be harmed life continues life is beautiful I want you to break in I'm asking you to do it so he's basically trying to um die either by them or have have that be the Catalyst for what he is maybe too scared to do right now and he says a lot of people out there are just going to pay a lot people will suffer They're going to cry I'm going to end this let people know that this is coming to an end man everything that I have

is nothing anymore I don't have anything give me some time I have to be alone right now I don't want to see anyone he hangs up he drags the coffee table in front of the front door of the apartment and lies down on the mattress to sleep and the two girls they likely heard all of this and knew things are likely not going to end well so they sat Together on the couch pulled a blank it over them and watch TV together side by side around 6:08 p.m. around the 100h hour mark police storm through

the front door of the apartment and side note this is very controversial but the police claimed that they only stormed the unit because they heard a gunshot go off so they had to act fast they said that they didn't have time to get someone to come in through the window simultaneously because because that is the normal Protocol for a hostage situation you go in through all the entrances to disorient the hostage taker it gives you so much more opportunity to disarm them which by the way like the SWAT teams they're trained to disarm a hostage

taker in a I think in like less than a second or two so this is all part of the training they never just go through one entrance unless it's impossible but most netizens and press and even the victims will argue there was no gunshot because The police are arguing we didn't go through the window because we had to act fast there was a gunshot sounding off but everyone said there was no gunshot in fact the police were the noisiest they blew open the entire apartment door with a tactical bomb it's purposefully loud and bright to

start disarm and momentarily blind the perpetrator so they run in they're going to tackle him but they're stuck the bomb did not get through the coffee table That was pushed up against the door so they have to go through that and that was enough time for lindenburg to turn to the two girls and open fire he shot the girls the authorities finally came and they shot lindenburg with rubber bullets while the hostages were shot with real bullets the police used rubber bullets so that they could preserve his life the intent was to incapacitate not kill

the hostage Taker it is alleged though that the authorities were pretty rough with lindenberg when they did finally get him to the ground to handcuff him it said that they were just really jumping him at that point neighbors and press had to intervene screaming at the police don't kill him don't kill him and oh my God what's going on because they were just like taking out their frustration on him is what it seems like the journalists downstairs they start fully freaking out Most of them are on air telling the public that the hostage taker had

agreed to turn himself in literally while in the middle of that sentence they hear that boom the Breakin happens everything goes dark there's ambulances rushing to the scene it was I don't know what the Press were thinking I don't know if they genuinely believed the whole idea that they were selling that there was going to be a wedding of the Sentry after this but two Bloody bodies were rushed out of the apartment and taken directly to the hospital Nara had blood just pouring out of her face like a sink faucet meanwhile aloa is being carried

by a police officer and when he accidentally bumps into a man a medic with a white coat on his whole coat turns blood red she was also bleeding from the head profusely there are journalists trying to run after the ambulances trying to stick their cameras right up against the Ambulance Windows they really look like vultures it's unsettling they tried to race the victims to the hospital just so that they could get the best shots both girls were taken to the operating room to have surgery n was shot in the face near her jaw a bullet

was lodged in her jaw and aloa was shot in her private area and her head the bullet had gone through ala's brain and it said that she went through 3 hours of surgery but they could not remove the bullet but even if They could the damage to the brain was extensive neurological damage was in this case irreversible aloa was placed into a coma and she was brain dead unable to breathe without life support no chance of recovery Loa had passed and the last memories of aloa her family had were of her leaning out the window

of the family apartment crying and trying to give her family a thumbs up so that they don't worry and it was just Not the last memory that they ever wanted of her and this doesn't make it any better that she passed the doctors approach ala's mom and they ask if she wants to donate aloha's organs and Anna did not want that not after everything aloa had already gone through for the past 100 hours no like we don't get to break her apart even more but Douglas would tug on her little sleeve and tell her mom

that's what aloa would have wanted and so the last memory that they Have of aloa now is in her very last moments she tried her best to save her best friend Nara and ultimately she would save five people with seven organs her heart lungs pancreas liver and kidneys Nara would make a full recovery one of the biggest pickles netizens had with gate the police during this operation actually there's a lot starting with not forcibly securing the perimeter and not forcing the journalist Out but also Niara being sent back in response to that one officer went

to a journalist and said I have three sons and I thought of Niara as my son and I would put my son in her place see it's a decision that only the ones who were there could make I just ask that you respect the professional skills and ability of the team that was there an operation always has risk gate had previously conducted many successful outcomes of a hostage CR crisises the Bad outcome of this one was not because of Gate's actions but lindenberg gate didn't kill anyone we did everything to not put those three lives

at risk furthermore another good question was brought up which is why did they not shoot to kill lindenberg when aloa gave them the chance at the window when asked about that a police officer would say we could have shot him but he was a 22-year-old boy with no criminal record going through a love crisis if we shot Him you would be questioning me right now for why we didn't try to negotiate more why shoot a 22-year-old boy who is doing something that he's going to regret for the rest of his life anyway another officer just

bluntly stated that they were under direct orders from the governor to protect the victim and the perpetrator because again the thing with the governor a lot of nens suspect because they're elected the public the press the media They're all kind of pumping out this message that he's a lover boy so maybe they feel scared it's going to backfire on them if they kill lover boy also nobody believes that there were gunshots before the agents stormed in so that was like a really bad Breakin of a host situation there was footage from around that time it

was analyzed the there were only gunshots after the authorities broke in that door also why did it take them a whole 15 seconds to get the Coffee table from blocking the door it's just too much time it's kind of ridiculous to that a gate agent was just like you don't know cuz you've never been there but if this had gone successfully you would be praising us right now which is a very odd response mhm it's just kind of weird but gate they ultimately blamed the media they claimed that lindenberg had actually made a deal to

come back in before any of his exclusive interviews With journalist he made a deal that he was going to come out with all the hostages and then after his interviews he seemed to want to talk to the negotiators less and want to talk to the journalist more and he got spiraled away into that he got swept away into becoming this main character in the news that's why a lot of people think that he would do these crazy things like shoot open fire at the crowd because it's not like he HD anyone ever it doesn't ever

Seem like he's intentionally trying to kill the crowd I mean it's clear that he's homicidal but it doesn't seem like he was trying to kill someone in the crowd per se it just seems like he's doing it to get attention and to reignite people's obsession with the case some people didn't even blame mainstream media they just blamed the individual journalists working on the case Sonia being one of the main ones and she just said at no time did I act Wrong I would do it all over again just the way we did it the cruel

thing is to want to push the blame for the tragedy to us her murder happened 3 days after my conversation with lindenburg it had nothing to do with us at all yeah wow a lot of media Outlets were fined by the government for obstructing official police work and it was just like a tiny little slap on the wrist and nothing else happened oh also one Deputy officer side note was quoted because he went to Go search or like go through the crime scene afterwards and go through all of the different things that were going on

in the rooms in the apartment and he wrote in his report that the the two girls aloa and Niara were not concerned with the tidiness of the house meaning that there were dishes in the sink what basically he's insinuating that even if you're being held hostage if you're a girl you should at least still care about keeping the house tidy Like he did not say the house is messy he did not say that the house was in disarray he said they were not concerned with the tidiness of the house Nara and aloa what yeah and

people are pissed about that so so mad so mad yeah so mad yeah what is that language what is that thought process even I would just write dishes in the sink cuz that's what I see no one ask for your opinion like that that's crazy when lindenberg was first taken to the police station he had the Audacity to keep asking for aloa he said and I quote I want her here beside me he shot her twice aiming for her head and her private parts he told authorities the only motive for his crime was that he

wanted to spend as much time as possible with aloa he said I just wanted to enjoy every minute it with her by my side he reassured everyone he never did anything seual with her he said in I quote only kisses on my cheek during the trial his defense attorney argued that Lindenberg should be charged with manslaughter instead of first-degree murder because if the police did not scare him so much with that door bomb he would have never shot the girls the defense attorney would also tell the jury lindenberg is not a criminal you jurors are

good people just like lindenberg I ask that you see him as a brother a father a friend he's not a criminal he confessed that he shot aloa lindenberg was in love with Thea she was The great and only love of his life so much so that in prison right now he does not receive intimate visits because he doesn't want to have any other woman except aloa lindenberg suffers for ala's death I don't know his defense attorney was crazy she at one point straight up told the judge that the judge needs to go back to school

because you don't know what you're talking about ala's Mom remember seeing lindenberg during the trial and he had Looked at her and Douglas multiple times and laughed like he was Mo them it was like yeah and so what are you going to do about it that kind of smirk he was sentenced to 98 years and 10 months in prison he was found guilty but it's not that simple because right now he's allowed out for work he has work leave work permissions and he also gets one day subtracted from a sentence when he works three days

outside the prison so he gets a little bit of freedom and less Time on a sentence a memorial service was held for aloa 30,000 people many of them strangers showed up to support aloha's family as for Niara she had to have many surgeries was not able to make it to the funeral but she visits aloa on her own she was interviewed about her decision to go back and obviously you know technically she admits she didn't know that she was going to be held hostage Again and maybe maybe that'd be a different conversation but maybe not

she said even knowing everything that's happened she would do it all over again yeah ala's Mom said to aloa in a moving speech in a moving interview I'm sure that someday we'll meet again I keep on my path because because of that certainty I know that anywhere you are you're okay and I will walk in your direction until we finally meet again and that is the case of the Longest hostage crisis in Brazil and it was basically live streamed who do you think has cuz this is a conversation with neens that they have and I

just want you guys to know that Brazilians are very upset with this case it's who who has the most blood on their hands I mean obviously lindenberg but would you say that one or two journalists is it mainstream media is it the police is it a combination of everyone let me know in the comments Please stay safe and I will see you guys on Sunday bye