You Can't Enter Jhana | Jhana Enters You

so what's Jannah what people think John is something you can enter you can't John John does your bracelet John is the result a mode of being okay it's the result it's the consequence yeah Oh we'll get to that that's what I said there is no I am in jhana can't say I am in John I'm entering John I was in China it subsides for as long as you think John is something you can't paint it literally yeah something waiting for you to enter it that's not junk yeah so is it worth saying that in the

often in the translations of the Jonas see it says that one enters upon and dwells in Jonah doesn't say that in Tommy you know it says just once well see Jonah having acquired having a person per day well yeah yeah couldn't even entity but just later yes but the point is it's something that's already based on the consequence of Jonah of your mode of being now you know you acquired it no tell you where that quieted and thus I entered it and then that's how I dwell in it which is usually the perception of it

meditation technique object having an overwhelming experience surge of pleasure or whatever oh I am to John and now I am in the Jonathan it's completely wrong order so I say ah John I miss you it's more accurate to regard you like that just basically as I said mode of being or even becomes your point of view your new point of view point of view that doesn't see I am is first so it's it's a point of view that's that involves a difference in order yes and that's a that's a result of certain contemplations certain understanding

certain development of the mind and if you wonder which type of development of the mind just read literally any genre description it says it clear as a day so Sir Topham Hatt quite secluded seclusion from central there is absolutely no description of the first channel it does not say that like that's just one way you can enter it yeah no it's always Jana is the result of your seclusion seclusion is not because of your Jana John is because seclusion and if you're very doubt about it it's in the within the same description is the pleasure

yeah the pleasure of the first John is not of the first jhana the pleasure is of the seclusion the vacations are piti sukha Rebecca John says the lesson yeah whatever you know to say it born of solution yes from sense desire of sensuality and unwholesome states which pertains to any any kind of bodily hindrances yeah of any kind but the common notion is int jhana then I feel pleasure yeah no pleasure comes first no pleasure of jhana but pleasure of seclusion which is where John is which is it at the time that's what your point

of view becomes that's what your being is there is no room for I am experienced in this pleasure I'm entering and how makes it in this John and whatnot so I mean very clear Polly yet the entire contemporary notion are about watching your nostrils having the ecstatic experience then stopping thinking stop your thinking of course and then and then you have this urge of pleasure and there must have been Janet so so the standard idea of Jonathan absorption involving not thinking you know you can't hang out here thinking of Jonah and yet these words Whitaker

fujihara appear Adam main characteristic order first John so there you get these strange translations of it's not really thinking it's like a sustained thought and a Platt life it's it's literally thinking we talk of each other always go together as well and it literally is just amplifying the same with thinking with pondering with things going on in his mind that's the first John doesn't seek over thinking the first factor with pondering with the second factor nor is it the applied that sustained thought in some sort of concocted method did you do know it's with thinking

in bit pondering yeah just with with wandering with roaming about yes and they're not really different things it's it exactly justice Stein lead to different aspects I suppose yeah off your thinking which are kind of in separate ascending there's been a synonyms to talk about may be different extent exactly yeah so that well that's another extremely good sure there's notion of my thinking will stop in the first John is this experience what I was not aware of myself yeah not just thinking yeah yet in imagine 111 yeah every single John is this absolute clarity of

mindfulness yes as its basis yeah and brings mindfulness to discernment is this phenomenon best fellow on the same exactly exactly see what what's there to basically it's imperturbable mindfulness not the absence of it so how you want to develop first jhana seclude yourself from sensuality how can you secure yourself of sensuality by understanding the extent of it the extent of your involvement the extent of your engagement the basis the necessary basis for our engagements in charge you understand that you surmount it having surmounted it you will know that you've surmounted it and then that pleasure

of relief of the which is a pleasure the first jhana will be felt and that's what first John is the result of that development basically so you could see how like even back in the day Jonah as we discussed before even in in all their dozens of meant contemplation investigating even thinking over pondering some over something done either virtues of a deity that you want to develop in yourself or anything else but the point was you dwell on it in order to develop it do you think about it yeah you're not we're trying to negate

the whole idea of thinking yeah if you want to assume out your thinking that's the second job and you can some one second so you're thinking if you have any relative problem here you've all you do is go around denying it so but Joan has involved a particular thing yeah I think of Jonathas as particularly directed mindfulness that's when you know those other in some other suitors it's like you can develop Jonah on the basis of mindfulness of the corpse yeah we have done on the basis of mindfulness so the channel ground I discussed in

the census there were mindfulness of breathing body postures so it's not it's not an automatic method it's just way of regarding things on the basis of miles of Isis mindfulness we're regarding what sensuality way off regarding sensuality wherever you remind yourself the extent of it that you know you are free from dwell in that that is the Bliss of the first jhana that is so as I said like the the first jhana is not developed by magically entering and then having pleasure from it the actual technique the practice of meditation of the first jhana is

the practice of understanding the sensual extent yet the extent of unwholesome that is your practice of first jhana that's racism it's impossible to engage in centrality on the level on the basis of first jhana that's where the one with the right view on the basis of first jhana would be free from sensuality even when he is not anymore in the first job because he would have Seabees he would have been seen clearly its nature of of actually being repulsive so they're just to basically come back the idea that you can not be celibate and not

keep the precepts and have Anantha journals impossible like a necessary basis for the consequence of Jonah Jonah Jonah is quite secluded from sensual pleasures quite to remove basically separated cousin very quite does it indeed indeed he's separate from it and he's developed on his fly so separate from from certain essential states separate from unwholesome state pleasure arises that could result to the recognition of that he cultivates that do anything and that's how he abides in the first job and that's what was it he would dwell in the first jhana having acquired it and then whether

he sits walks extends his arms goes to the toilet whatever he does while he dwells in the filter it's divine because his mind is in the first John here and that's what timrie harder to me dwelling doesn't mean temporarily overwhelmed by something means rich dwelling so while you're dwelling in this cootie you eat you drink you lay down you sit you're doing these things while you're dwelling in it it's the same principle of the order of the job so more specifically practicing that more practicing for Gianna which means practicing with separation from unwholesome states and

sensuality is done not by tracing down the Central States but they're seeing a common basis to all unwholesome states 205 inferences that's where the five hindrances at the five they were abandoned in the first Journal sensuality your will restlessness laziness distraction doubt what all of those things have in common what is the necessary base is necessary container Dottie yeah body being there and see even people were to engage with them say you were all run by hindrance and you give in to sensuality or an expression available or whatever you know really leaving the body you

can't even if you want you're not actually going further into these things you're just basically increasing their density so to speak density of the significance within the same basis that's why anger is felt bodily sensualities felt bodily doubt is felt bothered yeah that's so some people that's not so obvious that doubt it yeah but how like how do you know the doubt is unpleasant yeah it's because you feel it unpleasantly your body's effect you can't sleep at night yeah well what's more bodily than that yeah it's very bodily so the body is the necessary basis

for for any any of the hindrance but does that mean that the hindrances hinder you because of the body so essentially she cannot be manifest it cannot be even conceived theoretically without the base support or anywhere else except within the basis of alia Bhatt is that it's in is that it's hindering aspect why is it a hundreds in other words it's a hindrance when when you when you don't put the body first and when is it that you don't put the body first there's a necessary basis for yourself first and what does that mean in

regard to between you and the body what kind of relationship is that don't yeah so that's why again you know comes sort of being rooted in sense of mind as in because this body is unknown to me in any other terms accepted mind that's why I'm affected by these things do the bodily yeah and that's when we were compared to five senses the five bodily senses the five bodily domains is five wild animals they have their own respective domains for feeding yeah you come possibly sort of going deplete their food yeah so they'll starve impossible

but you can stop being appropriate and I can stop appropriating basically again you also have no say over their opinions their preferences know what the animatics yeah doesn't mean you're not responsible for giving in to it that's the point yeah yes that's like am i I likes this the term denies this but that on the level of recognition effect of preference does not mean automatic engagement with it now now based on that pool based on this enema wants to go feed down there I gave in and I liked it do your data so that's real

responsible for sexuality not for its arising but it's basically for its perpetuation for for being for engaging with it so you hinder yourself yeah by basically allowing yourself to be dragged along by presences and how you allow yourself to be dragged along by taking the ownership and as you said the ownership means longboarder as we discussed in previous talks so which is the right order then thanks it what is the what is the order of central pole or or expression of your world worked out what is the order that comes first in many seemingly me

but more specifically oh well it's a biblical of endurance okay you see that it's coming first okay see now I have my mount my mind is affected by doubt okay so I go around tonight and I search a night okay fine because I do all these things together this is a core of my experience which is the top and everything that you're doing is yes yes but with the doubt be manifested there felt unpleasantly if the body is not there on its own beforehand so if you if basically recognizing marvelous the body recommend that could

be the container of body without which so what yeah then mindful is established whereby it doesn't matter the hindrance yeah you don't pervert the order and that's how you become quite secluded from sensuality why because you have quite removed the the necessary basis for sensuality to take over you necessary basis which is that perversion of that order so now basically so that is your actions have to have been purified beforehand as well you'll have to say no to yourself you have to practice sense restraint in order then to discern the necessary basis for those things

if they were to be done and then you stopped maintaining that basis which is the wrong order so the hindrances are now same as belonging to the body that doesn't belong to you exactly that's possible let's say yeah which means they don't hinder you anymore no means they're not in transition that fully bound up and contained in rooted in something which which is about it they fully bound up in the root in the body and they always work yeah that's a recognition of that full understanding that frees you throw them forever now just while you're

looking at it initially yeah you have to keep looking at it to be free from it once you fully understood hindrance that's what our hunt is a destroyer of the hindrances so when when there is sleepiness it's the body that is sleeping here and the doubt can never be the fundamental doubt it can be like oh is this did he say this so did he say that but none of the doubt can become the how used to be could you could you use feeling as a basis yeah any any any reference for mindfulness any mindful

in case they're all contained within feeling yeah of course sure what the body yeah yeah no just the reason we're talking about jhanas that's one of the mother feelings now okay john is a particular types of mindfulness of the body again that's where the body witness is the one who has developed yeah the whole the whole jhana practice yeah if the same principle show acted those there is attainment by the body yeah so it's mindfulness of the body particularly directed that's how you practice jhana yeah in particular direction is the direction of resolving yeah so

with this be established that the necessary basis for any hindrance to hinder you any lost any aversion is you taking up the body yeah how do you take up the body what are the means of taking up the body how is taking up of the body perpetuated how is it manifesting that's just the natural state it's just ignorance that's just thing nobody who does knees maintenance another study thing well create a illusion yeah how are those things manifested can you talk about greed hatred greed hatred and delusion without greedy hateful deluded acts my body my

speech or my mind can those things be perpetuated without intention behind it so you're basically taking up the body by acting with the body you ask shouldn't pace with ignorance yeah yeah ignorant intentions in regard to God so how do you like to be the body why do you act like this you act like that so first you need to start very straining about it in terms of obvious unwholesome things yeah obvious in charity obviously will obvious distraction obvious unskillful states precepts some strains no and see that's the thing now so that's that's the first

way of engagement about it bodily act doing things with the body kidney you can have mind raging with your will or sensuality yeah but if the body remains there left alone yeah you're not giving in to the pressure track with it there is no expression of that which means whatever unwholesome is it's not in the domain of the body not you're not doing it that it could be in at a later stage all right that's the second bit so see it's it's kind of more obvious for people to see okay both the reactions of bodily

and mental actions are mental yes speech is a type of converging point in a tween see you have a verb of thoughts which are not speech but they are bodily expressed yeah so how's that possible how is her speech possible possible you can't speak without thoughts of speak exactly it's just inconceivable yet thoughts of speaking even verbal loud thoughts in your mind I'm not as discrete because if there were the speech the Guru has said that's the speech but he said speech is when you break into speech physically that's what constitutes speech so verb of

thinking is not a speech obviously there isn't speech will ever go thinking so what's the problem there isn't a problem there oh yeah something about generally want assumptions about what's about speech speech is this generally assumed to be involve kind of me breaking out breaking forth yeah boring yeah out Amil well basically yes the mind yes so you have three ways of engaging a body by speech in my mind my body needs to be restrained beforehand my mind is too subtle to see directly but the middle bit the converging point is where the speech is

yeah that's basically where the assumption takes about the perversion takes place that's what color converging point cuz it's see the speech in itself is physical yeah sounds after by your mouth it's bottling it it's also yeah see this body yeah it's it's very bodily but it's also a study tonight exactly why so it's it's a hybrid domain - exactly yeah yeah and so is the first one to cease by the way the body doesn't seize up until like for John anyway that's the gradient the point is it's another type of engagement yes with that body

see you engage through physical actions when you assume your ownership of it when you're projected to it's pleasure from the senses you assume pleasure in these objects why act I get them yeah so that's already the perversion so you're basically moving out towards the pleasure out there with your body yeah yeah because you assume that to come first you think the pleasure is over there exactly do you have to engage bodily with it and body engaging with it is you accessing that version you getting it yeah yeah exactly yeah same with the speech just now

it's not so much into the senses but it's more between the body and the point of view between the mind and the body between the verb of thinking and pondering and the body yes okay see you think were like everybody when you when you speak the whole notion behind or even before you speak the notion behind is I have thoughts I have sentences I have words in my mind I have the whole voice and then that kind of flows into the speech out there and it's the same thing but that's impossible how can the mental

thought flow into the material body two separate lines two separate domains there are simple thing is the present and never never occurred without each other that's the root of the confusion not knowing the nature of that particular Sankara yeah that's what one breaks into speech so even when you speak your thoughts can never become the bodily sounds but though they have always simultaneous with it there are no bodily sounds without thoughts being there present but sort of phenomenological when you're when you're speaking that speech sort of takes the place of your thought see that's the

assumption of Battuta right okay who hasn't develop jhanas you think that your speech is taking how can how can a physical utterance of these sounds these vibration take place of your thought how impossible not having fully discerned that to that extent you still own and possess to perversion the domain of the body which is the domain of the senses fully discern the separated nosov it inherently impossible to join together you will then experience the relief of the pressure of the senses they were exhibited on the body and that is the first jhana that's where the

speech will cease in the first jhana so you want to cultivate that sense the strength needs to be done first and maintain throughout of course and then practice anchoring of your peripheral awareness as we spoke before as in recollecting of your mindfulness recollecting the fact that you are not speaking while you're thinking verbally you're cultivating the basically discernment of the two simultaneous domains say that it's separable from each other but you're not confounding them anymore because you the exactly speech and the thought that's why they're like watches Sankara the determination of your speech because it's

inseparable from it and it's it's that it's it's not discerning observe me just take a few hours thinking of Andre pinky Bob is the determination for speech thinking about it is anything kind of speech without yeah okay yeah there is separate from but see in that practice of anchoring your mindfulness in the absence of speech the mouth that's factually quiet not producing sound you can then understand the extent of thinking and pondering yeah without confusing it for speech because yeah that's wise silence physical solitude and not careless chitchat and so on is absolutely necessary and

the Buddha could have not been like cleared and have a more hardline stance on it than he did yeah so thinking that the thoughts that the speech stands for the thoughts is the same thing is basically saying that the thoughts kind of become speech yeah basically you aren't seeing the these two separate domains yeah now you can ask well why is the speech converging point that's just how things are that's how the aggregates are ordered yeah that's not up to you to decide the fact is it is and for as long as you're confounding it

means it is ignorance in regard to that entire basis and whenever there is you know there is the automatic appropriation so having sort of distance yourself from sense desire sensuality restraint non distraction no careless projects and little whatever however meaningfully might present itself no little activities because all that is rooted in distraction or sensuality yesterday yeah unless you can do the faithfulness thing which is you won't be doing it so having practice that you also need to practice physical soldier it doesn't mean you you like you never see people you never talk means you talk

only with the purpose the actual purpose not pressure or need so you cultivate that like little eyes they would have said the monks trained himself a little little speech yeah picking little table limits on that speech and it's only when necessary yeah all that is to support your mindfulness of the factual recognition it's a form of thought yeah but it's effectually corrected thought that you are not speaking yeah see my mind can be shouting mad but I can simultaneously through that very fairly discern that my mouth is not authoring any sounds thus there is no

wrongly assumed connection between my thought the moment I forget that I my mouth is not uttering the sounds I came very well basically immediately jump back into the entire form a link yeah it's not being aware of it it's automatic link it's automatic sort of mess so to speak clutter yeah so but once you dwell long enough that's where you should cultivate jhanas don't don't be negligent make a foot discern and so on like it's so many suitors is because you will become so familiar with it I guess you can call it a relationship between

them presence of a mouth able to utter sounds and the presence of verbal thinking the two separate domains but you will also then fully understand that doesn't matter how careless you are verbal thoughts can never enter the the extent of speech so it's always thinking upon during one breaks into speech and literally two simultaneous things no other form of connection any form of connection means form of misconceiving said then not speaking can it's like can be the background see this you're the container whatever you're thinking about the extent of you thinking boundary and for as

long as you remain mindful of again and the reason why you can remain mindful is because you're not being it you're not unmindful of my mouth and mindful of a month no not at all you simply mindful of the thought that the mouth is not speaking so it's a negative form of doing yeah that's why I like if somebody misses this they might think like Oh mindful of the sensations in your mouth no that's just a megadose thinking exactly you can be mindful of all the sensations and still cause the confusion between your thoughts and

the domain of speaking because it's not about what you're looking at it's about the basis of you not making any sounds well there is verbal thinking going on and so if if you've got like a clear background this is this the fact that I'm not speaking to whatever it is I'm thinking about then that's even a few laps within that whatever you're thinking about you can elapse for as long as you don't start making sound with your mouth yeah if you're mindful I said we probably ain't good same with likely mindfulness of the body posture

doesn't mean how much you forget when you recollect it usual collect the right over the poacher hasn't changed the mouth hasn't spoken yeah if the mouth on speaking stops speaking and you again pretty establish the anchor what I was gonna say was then then it's like that background of the father I'm not speaking that provides a background for the domain of thinking and pondering other words it basically allows for the unification of mind it becomes clear it's a form of unification you're bats this extensive market because it's seen against this within and thinking and pondering

is basically literally the entire extent from anything from the subtlest thoughts to the most coarse verbal having a song repeated in your mind that you can shut it's all the domain of thinking and positive and even if you are based on it thinking about your mouth it appears pretty much yes it's the extent of the old in that in that state that's what you fully understand that any dumber that manifests in the first jhana is clearly seen as in all the five aggregates are clearly seen as not my not belonging to me that's what first

jhana is the necessary base for the combination of wisdom often ought to be enough to be another continue again clarity of mindfulness because it's the clarity of imperturbable order that this is the container of this and it's inconceivable does matter how much I forget how careless I get sequency although that this can become that or vice versa yeah the domain of bodily remains the container of this that's just the way yeah so that's why you know you can if your mindfulness is developed to the extent necessary on account of you know mindful breathing with -

so that doesn't matter you can then turn that extent of your mindfulness to the mindfulness of the converging point of natural body natural engagements between you and the body so to speak between the mental and the physical and mr. Burrage on and then take you further then from the Buddhist for the second John I won't dwell into too much less is it more than enough and people do something about second jhana you don't understand what the first is yeah but from the point of view of the second jhana the thinking and pondering is the physical

is the container yeah within which unified mind that doesn't yeah that's where second John is called noble silence by the way not the first job first jhana you can't speak yeah but that's not another silence that was the silence is when the mind stopped speaking is well so yeah you want to stop thinking you gotta stop speaking with your mind which is the second journal and you won't get there until you get the first one and you won't get the first one for as long as you think you can get it that's a thing you

can get it by cultivating the basis for it intensifies it's a consequence exactly that's why if it were not consequence it would be something you're doing yes and then we're gonna say like all you you can't say in John I am entering the fridge and I'm practicing the physician I'm obtaining the first John I'm leaving the first John yeah yeah things Johnny you can't say that doesn't mean you're not aware of anything that's not the reason why you can't say you can't say cuz it's you know doing it it's result of things you've done such

as semantic sensuality anchoring your peripheral recollected nacinda fact that factually mouth is abstaining not speaking not patterning sounds and it's been doing so for a while that's why you know like having having been secluded from sensuality essential pleasure joy from seclusion arises one by the Jonah having acquired it doesn't mean you know as I said before like maybe took you a whole month to summon the sensual domain before then the result of your binding in that state becomes the Jannah or he can take you half a day sometimes more sometimes on depending how careless you

were if you were careless that's what once you cultivate it long enough it's done it will as the suitors would say and again it's not see when you know whenever they would say oh I don't I don't need all of this because whoever can obtain John as it will like we're maha kassapa said that for example I don't need all these luxuries oh yeah Chris why we can obtain John as it will he's like the greatest basically yeah he's saying that as a matter of fact in the reason why there is a praise oh you

can obtain John as it will you because he done all the work like you wouldn't what my human mind would take praise on account of anything but as a rational mind mind that is authentic would recognize well there is a praise of random things that you're nothing to do yes oh look how tall you are I'm not saying that but look how virtuous you are look how well kind of men adored well read or intelligent reasonable you are could you media and that is a legitimate price because you invested Janus is the utmost effort you

can make in that sense that's what's the best place whoever can tell me the world means not he was lucky to get them means he done so such an extent of this anchoring mindfulness proper work bit literally it will everything is there now because she just you know we won the jackpot and he just happens to him oh he's so lucky why would you place that yeah you're lucky and nothing to do in here cycling anchoring your mindfulness in the recognition of a mouth that is not uttering sounds there is a converging point mind you

when it comes to speech writing typing all those would be means of physical convergent of your expression yeah but chief of them is the math and that's so again sexuality is inherently inseparable from the notion of your mouth as well second it's the first point of engagement with sensuality when you're a toddler breastfeeding eating it's the first point of satisfaction and it always remains like as I said your sensuality can proliferate your preferences can proliferate the expression of your real world can proliferate fundamentally it's all still within the mouth just its density keeps increasing the

more you engage with it but it cannot become anywhere else except from the container of the mouth because that's the first point of engagement with the body the first point of confusion so disappearance between mind and body mind is their body is there yet for you mouth is kind of settings to the mental and pertains to physical how's that possible not fully clarifying that that's how you own both or doesn't get affected by both and again that's why the recognition of that that is actually impossible it's inconceivable for does matter how burb of thinking is

it's inconceivable for it to become the sounds from your mouth yeah the way it happens is just on this level on this two simultaneous levels yeah that's where you fully understand that doesn't mean what kind of thoughts you had are threatening fearful you will not be afraid you know Francis because you realize oh that's where this is manifested and it's actually consumed and so now that's going back to so same we know will vibrate restrains so not to we were told you talked about positive restraint you know having it having thoughts of ill-will safer just

making sure that you don't do anything but now use sort of my driving the how to restrain yourself on a verbal level exactly which then restrains your mind the only reason your mind was not restrained is because he was under the assumption yeah that it can pertain to that which concerns me which is the external world of the senses well you realize the mind can never step into it nor can it become the line otherwise it is physical mental yeah bodily and and on the level of the mind yes sure fundamentally it's all mental in

terms of its Aldama manifesting itself but that's a different approach this is the approach of Jonah which is about understanding this converging point between points of engagement with the body which is our necessary basis for any centrality to affect you to pressure it pertain to you so when that order becomes uncorruptible by your ignoring by your carelessness you know you aren't you you are abiding in that which you've acquired which is the right order which is where John is that's where they're always wholesome you can't have unwholesome John impossible because I'm wholesomeness is defined as

we said before in other talks by the perversion of the order that's a definite that's why I'm all some things that are also because they contain a contradiction repulsive as attractive in Jannah that's impossible that's why it's impossible for them to be unwholesome and so again in first John so he said at the beginning that overcoming sensuality involves putting the body first recognizing not putting me first to sing-sing that it is first seeing was the first assuming itself yeah it's an essay and not like first initially and then changing it remains first yeah there's a

match the extent of central pressure in a jewelry always account nothing within that you discern even a more specific manifestation or that order of the body and body first which is through math yeah and your thoughts yeah that's still that because that's exactly what central is the container body and the thoughts yeah in regard to everything to the body can go through rather than the usual kind of I use my body or hi exact so the only way that that mindfulness of presently enduring non-speaking now the only way that can become intelligible is on the

basis of that a sense restraint yeah celibacy we draw from sensuality girl will that's I get to understand all the other hindrances as well you see that doesn't matter how much sleeping is restlessness might be like how heavy it might be you won't be bearing their weight for as long as you don't the very order or what comes first which is the body so this is what do you want it or not it cannot be anywhere else except on the body the domain