Why did the Buddha say "Sensuality" to be an Assumption? | Hillside Hermitage

Let's talk a little that I think you probably know you've all done the same thing but I thought we can start obviously it's translated differently and we are getting into that we really regarded his assumption because in its nature you if it's if people think who put on his attachment or what was it on clinging grasping grasping again it applies me reacting to things in a certain appropriative manner but loop Alanna is what precedes that you appropriating things and reorient minds the result of the OPA Donna it's not Europa Donna in other words you can't

it's not on the level of choice for you to stop clinging so that's why whenever you say clinging or grasping well at least for me kind of sounds like oh I'm clinging to this and I'm grasping that that's always the result of open that means it's more of an assumption you took something for granted you took for Granted that you can own this and now you're exercising your attitude and actions towards ownership but you will never do that if you fully understand that it's unknowable to begin with if you free yourself from that assumption so

if we take assumption and for the contemplation what would be how would you describe its properties say well it's practically sensuality is is an assumption so how would you describe that Why why why is it an assumption well for me like something that's an exam they're kind of underlies everything so I guess in terms of sensuality it would be she's not understanding not seeing not examining what what sensuality is so what is it sensuality you have you arrived at assumptions for the example of of that which being assumed in this case centrality so what is

sensuality you kind of attitude towards the things that You can bodily but things like again let's try to be more regular than a sense of done there's only for a theoretical answer more like imagine you experience of sensuality craving for a taste so feeling pulled towards something like yeah thank so describe that so it's a form of pool yeah can you have centrality for example without without a desire no I think to be honest I think karma karma karma Comes from the verb karma it which means visit design mmm it's just desire that's what it

does it sense desire it's decided desire all the senses senses in some of the senses so you cannot possibly engage in in any experience of sensuality that's the course and show thing without having desire that underlying it so then the assumption of sensuality must be in their level as well but as we described before sensuality means perverting order of Things sorry assumption it means to open enemies perverting all the things owning the unknowable assuming the sense of self outside of this which is a contradiction in terms because you're experiencing that so you be you maintaining

an assumption way but you think you can think outside of the experience as a whole that's why it's an assumption because it cannot be done yet you not clarify be very good you keep Doing it so then the design being also another type of OPA Donna shares the same nature it will must be sharing the same nature isn't it because desire basically involves but this given situation I mean this this basically like so I sing here not having this taste but with that taste as a possibility mm-hmm let's make it even more narrow okay would

you have desired if things are not pleasant no that's it Roger yeah It's a desire for pleasure and then he then the pleasure also basis for your desire the pleasure for wanting pleasure is the basis for the design how would you be wanting pleasure unless that's already felt pleasantly how would you know it's Pleasant so unless you're feeling yet there's the thing so that's what I wanted to say that basically the possibility of pleasure is given to me it's basically I have been subjected to this this possibility for pleasure Mm-hmm not seeing that that possibility

for pleasure is just something else that I've been subjected to I think let's go for I go for that and how is that possibly the brother felt that let that possibility well it depends if it's not recognized as something that I've just been subjected to then it'll be felt as pleasant but if you see that it's just another thing that I have been subjected to just like this Lack of that this feeling I have no having that thing mm-hmm whether I'm subjected since that feeling of that feeling it's all just if you think if you

recognize it on the level of on that level of it's all just something that I have been hit with then well let me see the next amount of place sure sure but I'm not going about like oh when you make the effort to recognize it just the experience of the recent project of pleasure how's that felt the experience Of the arisen prospector pleasure pleasure sensual pleasure yes so so you are not engaging your senses are not engaging with particular pleasure but now there is a possibility for them to do so yeah how's that felt does

fells pleasurable well actually no it's felt as painful in the sense that I'm I want I need to do this but there's a pleasure involved in that exactly but which which is the one that comes first one that comes first well as That's always the thing it depends I as you see it so if you if you don't recognize if you don't see no it doesn't have been like you don't like as I explained about the up or down of antibody for example it doesn't depend how you see it you always keep assuming your sense

yourself outside of the experience as a whole outside of the five agree it's whether you see it or not yeah doesn't matter that's the mistake so once you Start seeing it you and do it and then there is no other way you can't assume it again because now you saw it as impossible so since design shares the same nature so that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of where is that nature contained so so which is which is that which comes first in the case of a recent prospect of sensual desire or rather

central pursuit sensual pleasure is it that it's unpleasant first and then prospect of pleasure comes over it Or prospect of pleasure is first but then that's felt unpleasantly which one is it again let's back to the practical example go back to play you have now possibility for a pleasant taste meet something how is that felt I guess I feel like ordinarily it would be okay but now when you stop being devoted now we stop thinking about you realize that well that it was a pain involved in not having it and we just live comes first

Visit the pain or the the absence of pleasure of the absence of pleasure right now is that is that's more fundamental than the initial kind of buzz you get from the possibility yeah so if the absence of this possible pleasure this particular food is first felt unpleasantly what would be the necessary basis then for you to go for that pleasure to know see that time to know sure to cover over there so in the in that way any form of engagement of Sense desires requires you to ignore how you feel thirst yeah of the fundamental

feeling okay yeah so the pathway or jump are say of following the the sense desire is always open it's not me blocking it but the fact is that that's felt unpleasantly first and you ignore it in order to go down there way that's why it's a mistake can I say is like it's you're saying it's first belters unpleasant fundamentally you're gonna say it's like it's more the more General feeling oh yeah I don't mean first felt as in there when you chase the pleasure the pain disappears so there is a pleasure pain remains throughout which

is why the pain is the motivation of your sensuality so it's like there's a pleasure this buzz of the possibility of having that taste but that pleasure is contained within is more general displeasure this sure yeah that's what keep talking about more fundamental yeah So the more fundamental discomfort will be of the prospect of pleasure remains throughout your engaging with the pleasure which is why you keep engaging with the pleasures and not being mindful what helps you to ignore the more fundamental pain yeah well that's the thing there is no starting point for the ignorance

in regard to anything including sensuality and because there is no starting point of this type of Ignoring people there is also no starting point for their assumption the prospect of pleasure is the pleasure that they already delight in that they engage with they they pursue and so on so they don't see the underlying pain that's constantly present with it simultaneously to the same extent but on a more fundamental level so then through your own engagement with sensuality you keep obscuring more and more that which underlines it which is pain and that's Why sensuality is insatiable

because pain is here on one level your acts toward sin surely can be on a domain of sensuality cannot do anything about the fact that it's felt painfully before you act so then no amount of action satisfaction desire proliferation the the extent of your no amount of restraint would an automatically obviously restraint is necessary to you to start that questioning backwards so to speak and not keep chasing the sense Objects but it won't tell you to that mode you know unless you understand it you won't be free from it because again sensuality is not engagement

with the objects of your senses sensualities assumption it's a new Perdana which means there is some perversion of the order there that's why sensuality is there now that perversion is maintained through your engagement based on that ignorance engaging with sense objects but once you remove the ignorance and Engagement with sense objects can often do sensuality animal but that obviously means that the extent of your old engagement there was based on ignorance we'll be significantly reduced such as our hand cannot possibly have sexual intercourse or think about central Ohio I'm gonna next day and then this

and you just unthinkable for him but now let's make it even more accurate if sensuality is full first felt unpleasantly let's nothing don't think about the Prospect of the pleasure now just think about the pain since we revealed it yeah how you're not having these things I could have anything yeah any nature of painful feeling yeah what are its characteristics painful feeling yeah Oh what would what is the corrected what are the characteristics of the experience as a whole that is subjected to a painful feeling there and give us that it's something that you subjected

to okay so I can only discover That hey has already enjoyed what else do these come have no control over it being there okay so what is the natural response so the no ordinary response would be if you were to not understand that that pain isn't yours the ordinary responses to say I don't wanna well what would be an honor Nogami response how they wanna yeah so not wanting pain yeah undesirable exactly but soon only because you're not recognizing that it's gone yeah no That's fine let's [ __ ] it let's just stick with the

pain it's basically undesirable and as the Buddha said in every painful feeling there is craving to get a little bit unless you completely free from craving and how is that prospects of getting rid of pain felt thankfully is it I will see okay well so you subjected to pain and there's a paucity of pensee see missing man okay so the boys are the possibility of that pain not being there well Doesn't it but what is the pleasure of that I was thinking as we are under threat here okay what is then the pleasure in that

prospect what is pleasant of that pain opener so then the pleasure of the prospect of not having this pain is pleasant to the extent that this is painful yes it's not a separate pleasure no it's a back of the same coin it is yeah so it's one phenomenal way of looking at the other Walter it's one phenomenon There yeah because every presence of this implies the absence of this whatever that is so presence of pain implies absence of pain yeah this same pain presence of pain is felt unpleasantly simultaneous to that to the possibility of

its absence is felt pleasantly yeah just an Ardex pain and that possibility of pleasure are they separate completely bound up with each other exactly yeah so if you look at one yeah You can say that's what I'm feeling but if you look together but again from where do they come from they come from the same thing yeah yeah so it's it's basically one phenomenon with two sides took like two sides of one coin literally so you can't have one without having the other yep and it's on that level that sensuality happens the assumption of it

the wrong order the outside interest when you put the pleasure in case of art Avada you Put that first because it's more pleasant because it shelters you from the daily all sorts of anxiety that you are not in control of your life not to control of your senses so you assumed an external point of view to this experience in the hold its kind of unaffected despite whatever is happening in this experience but that's a completely cheated assumption that's almost like developed for the purpose of kind of covering it up covering the Issues up defense mechanism

so to speak and that's that's always the principle of every opener by the way avoiding pain that's why you develop assumptions because they shelter you from admitting that you were subjected to pain we can go into the other of bananas as well and you'll see it's gonna be the same principle like seal about the para mas my virtue my duty not my responsibility to make it my virtue my duty yeah I'm just I'm just dropping This in so you can connect okay well let's go back to the three that we said so the two sides

of the same coin can I just say so it would be the same if there's a pleasant feeling yeah that Pleasant feeling the presence of a pleasant feeling implies the lack of that pleasant feeling yeah which would be painful and you know you can you assume us but you you put the you put the possibility but generally one would emphasize the pleasure no no see like Wait again imagine practically you're subjected to some sensual pleasure right now it takes effort for you to not crave for more of it it takes effort for you to go

against the grain and stay and appreciate what you have and enjoy it because if you don't make the effort the mind wants more because more pleasure means this is painful say pain is painful absence of pain is more pleasurable you put that absence of pain first on The basis within the container of that it's painful first so that's why that's why we're started by asking you general what is first in cases in Charlotte it's always that is its container that is its fundamental purpose and then you realize that no amount of engagement with sensuality as

I said doesn't matter how far down the senses you go the motivation the actual pleasure that you feel on account of central engagements is the pleasure of avoiding pain that Still with you not the pleasure of you touching things tasting things because if the pleasure were contained in touch taste smell sight it will always be pleasant to the same extent and you wouldn't even well you wouldn't be able to think about it to be honest because not having that means non-engagement means absence of pleasure absence of possibility of pleasure but the fact that sometimes you

can eat same things and not experience pleasure on Account of it then eat eat things they used to didn't cause you pleasure now they're giving me pleasure means pleasure is not in the sense objects nor in the sense domain for that matter and of course people have said that many times like once you remove designer loss from your mind he said he with the target ah for the target that there are beautiful things in the world he sees this is beautiful this is ugly this is agreeable this is the globe but it's Absolutely no sensuality

whatsoever but for most people when you think you think sensuality means the the agree ability of the sense objects but it doesn't sensuality means perversion of your perception you perceive second to come first and that which is actually still there is first you kind of perceive a second and from that point of view you realize how sensuality is not linear at all because usually slightly the mind would once it's subjected to that Assumption and the acts are the Assumption would think I have a desire then I act then I fulfill my desire through engaging in

this particular sense object and then it's done yeah the whole thing is within the painful container of being subjected to it in the first place and that is your sole motivation but important precision here is whenever there is a prospect of pleasure that's felt pleasantly because you'll be avoiding pain that pleasure is The pleasure of the pain that you're feeling it so that's why he you should learn to see sensuality sense desires as far as painful John now that you brought it up the Buddha will always say he understands the one who is free from

sensuality understands gratification the danger and the escape that means full understanding of the phenomenon so what is that the gratification or the central assumption the pleasure that which pleasure The group the the gratification well the extent of the pleasure that you can possibly that is contained within done that pain the extent of the pleasure this can deal with the pain yeah so so basic my Denix mom and dad extent will be quite infinite no because it's it's all within more general pain so there is a pleasure and more particular pleasure which is what you're putting

first sorry what somebody you know somebody who's bound by sensuality But first this pleasure not seeing that that's bound up by and more fundamental yeah but what is gratification that pleasure did and how that the extent to which that can the way but there's so the gratification then is absence of pain the gratification is absence of pain because it's a pain if there's a pleasure that huh uh-huh you know you have this prospects of pleasure so let's put like this where is That clarification there is mortification yeah and needs to be understood yeah where is

it anybody can chip in by the blindness to ignoring of the pain well yeah but again more more precisely now we are not trying to undo the gratification we're just trying to clarify this what is it it is like the pleasure that arises okay yeah so let's talk that the pleasure arises on account of possibilities of something which idea Own all the weight is underlined by the pain sure yeah so why is that pleasure Pleasant as I asked before there's a qualified before why are you feeling that prospect pleasantly because there's because you're emphasizing because

you're getting reality so then that's the gratification delighting in the prospect of getting rid of the pain that you don't question so you don't question your ecosystems does originally fundamentally present enduring pain yeah You don't question it then there are prospects to then like get away from it and you will then automatically delight in it and that's what I said gratification is a delight in sense objects it's your delight in the sense object that's the gratification and surely not engagement with the sense objects even if you can get everything you want yeah it's you delight

thing that's well that's already when you start satisfying your desires because You're you you accept the possibility of satisfaction as in satisfaction over there means escaping this present enduring pain over here yeah sure sure yeah it's it's on that level certainly you might not be explicitly thinking like clarify or it's a hope but yeah the possibility of satisfaction he's already delighted in that's already they delight in the possibility of satisfaction is will gratification order it is and then dangers make exactly yeah Because you go down the domain that has nothing to do with why you

are going down that domain because again there's a whole irony contained in in any assumption it's unpleasant there is an experience as a whole you don't want that pain so by not wanting that pain you go to that which is painful because that unpleasantly a pleasant there is an experience the whole is easily experience of sensuality as we described it whenever there is a sense this is First felt unpleasantly because you don't want that unpleasurable and then how do you think it's gonna be felt unpleasantly so literally let scratching the itch is if as I

said each time you engage you make it worse so then if you clarify this you realize that sensuality arises and it's felt unpleasantly and you don't want pain nobody wants pain and then you wring a sensory strength is then the pleasure in regards to that painful sensuality Upstanding from engaging with sensuality is how you're gonna free yourself from that pain of that sensuality and you want to be free from it which is why you keep engaging with it yeah that's why sensuality pressures you because it's underlined by the pain simultaneously there and if you have

any doubt about it say no to yourself is got result and you see the pressure that builds up why is that why are you pressured where is the how Is that pressure generated pressure toward sense object it's basically directly corresponds simultaneously to the the extent of craving that you maintain in regard to the pain you remove the craving in regard to the pain there is no pressure towards a sense objects because the prospect of the the pleasure of sense object becomes non applicable so that's why it's important like I keep going back to this I

don't know like we Can talk about later about the danger and so on escape but it's all contained in first then you can discern more within the first principle and that's that any degree of pleasure so imagine actually physical engagement with sensual pleasure amidst or physical engagement with sensual pleasure the pleasure ability pleasure ability of physical engagement is actually the delighting in freedom from simultaneously enduring pain it's not Coming from the senses it's coming from the pain so the freedom from that pain yeah alleviation yeah to whatever extent so again it's important to imagine it

on the right basis which is sensuality central engagement sensual act pleasure of it did you experience that you used to experience did you sometimes still might want to experience it doesn't matter the extent of it that pleasure is the alleviation of simultaneous enduring pain it's not the pleasure that comes to You through the senses it never leaves that you keep assuming pleasure will be external hoga you keep assuming pleasure to be external to the present enduring situation that is painful which is the sensuality which is the assumption yeah external how can you know how can

you know that this is pleasant while you're not engaging with it so the pleasure again imagine that sorry there is a there is a prospect of sensual life touch of a pleasant nature but you're Not touching it why is it felt pleasantly that prospect cuz you if if the pleasure is in the object of your touch you know how can you know that it's Pleasant now when you're not touching it yet and again the argument of oh because you have a memory from before well it still doesn't work because you are not elated on account

of memory you're related an account of the future prospect of our to touch this and yet that's felt Pleasantly before you touch it why because it provides possibility no beak well yeah okay yeah because the pain is there so the pain is here claiming to get rid of this pain is here which means prosper that I might be able to is here and then whatever pleasure are feeling regards to anything out there is because of this pain yeah pain is the peg essential thing yeah and that pain is the pleasure of sensuality yeah so then

when you go and Engage other things as pleasure of sensuality is within it doesn't come from it it stays within it that's the part that's not trying to to hammer in here because basically hammer there in and there is no basis for assuming external to this experience of sensuality and you do it assume the sense objects to be external to your experience of desire which is why it's insatiable because you perverted the order and this domain of sense object It's completely not applicable as I said you're not even engaging with it yet you are feeling

pleasure and account of the prospect of engaging with on the level of the senses there is a desire there and that desire is felt like you delighting in it why because that desire is fully within this pain that simultaneously enduring to the same extent so if you stop assuming that then the pleasure of alleviating the pain through following the desire is Contained external to the pain and the desire you will stop diverting the order in the same sense you stop assuming your sense of self to be outside of your experience as a whole you realize

that's inconceivable same principle of the same padam panels are saying that the pleasure is being external to the pain is basically see okay they look you already said it a thought of pleasure might be external to the pain how would you know that without engaging with that Where the pleasure might be which you're not doesn't matter the extent that all your thought as I said before like when you say okay I think I'm outside of this experience the whole okay so I'm not excited this experience is a horse up something else's but then you but

that can only be the thought that's within this experience as a whole yeah but then this is the outside of that thought which can only be within It's the same principle in this case once you start from the right level so the pleasure that's outside of this desire that has arisen is within this desire has arisen because how can then you feel it pleasantly that prospect of that pleasure unless it's within this desire and that's pretty much all you need to clarify but all the way and it will become well you will become unable to

think that pleasure is incense objects the beautiful objects in the World are the ones that have pleasure in their and that's how sensuality falls off does it mean you you wouldn't recognize nice food or agreeable touch but you certainly wouldn't crave for it why because you don't crave for gratuitous freedom from unpleasantness because you don't crave to alleviate by default of anything that's about this combat simply cause that pleasure cannot possibly undo no it's always exactly it's it's always within that so that's The thing so you're basically trying to get rid of something by expecting

something more particular to get under its roots sholde sure where it's actually you that pain is there whether you like or not you and again I don't even know you want to be free from it which is why you're engaged with yeah so all you need to do is recognize that it's painful first and you want to be free from it yeah thus the best course of action is to not engage with yeah but Then that means you now have to be able to endure for as long as it takes not acting out of the

gratuitous assumption of craving in regard to the unpleasant enduring feeling but then even when you have a thought a memory of previous sensuality a thought of the future sensuality and it's and the mind delights in it you don't deny that you just see it as included within this pain and that the pleasure that's fair even if you were to engage even when you Eat the food that's agreeable the pleasure you're feeling is the alleviation of the simultaneous enduring pain there first yeah basically we're not allowing it to be assumed second yeah no no and he

gets assumed second when you when you become careless when you basically know mindful of the feeling yeah the general most at the general level or when you lose sense drink the past or the future future prospect or the past experience That's already like I said like that's paying right here right now isn't it like it's agent yeah that's another thing you can you can clarify so how would you know that the past prospects were pleasant unless you're feeling them now pleasurably how would you know that the future prospect of engaging with the particular sense objects

oh why are you feeling it planet pleasurably right here right now so the extent doesn't matter the extent how particular how committed To a particular aspect of a sense object are you deriving pleasure from any pleasure derived from any sense action is the pleasure of alleviating simultaneously enduring pain it's not the pleasure that comes from the object and the reason why you have pressure to engage with the object is because that's how you give validity to the direction of engagement which is what alleviates the pain not gets you the pleasure from the sense object there

is no pleasure in The sense object it's just objects of perceptions which are neither pleasurable nor dis pleasurable yet you're feeling pleasurable on a carnival and as well and that's why people like to pursue central object if it's just given but if it's a bit taking away taking away taking away your pleasure goes why would that happen if the pleasure were truly in the object cuz you haven't touched it yet how do you know this is more of it yet there is More of it in your mind so the desire grows because the engagement towards

that direction grows could you to basically go that way which means that the the the extent of the prospect of alleviating this also present enduring pain grows so the pressure grows because you yourself made it so the way the butter describes the fine strong sensuality like sites that you can be conscious off with the I know that you can't you you can become today You could be conscious off chuckling the area hmm so it's like it's basically bearing saying basically you are the the sensuality is the possibility well Jack Jack of in--yeah in the pin

the poly so it's it's sites cog nine the big vertical translates its ionizable by the cognizable could be sure sure carbonized not that it is it's all on the level of possibility yeah yes cuz he's already starts there as soon as You're subjected to pain and that's also the world said the only way the conclusion and those out of pain is through sensuality which is not out of pain but it's the only way he knows that they closely resemble so dealing with pain is what he thinks well no there is there is a degree of

alleviation if you weren't so you wouldn't be pressured by it either but it's that pursuit that delighting the possibility of the direction engaging with it kind of Magically gives the validity of oh yes because I'm doing this that's why I'm not subjected to this which you are obviously still subjected sodomized you wouldn't be going down the pursuit if you're not subjected to the unpleasant desire of it beforehand so that's the gratification yeah seeing the gratification is just seeing any pleasure yeah yeah yes still with it and that's why is the word of simplification is on

the level of the delight your Delighting and prospect so you have like something secured you extend sort of consuming it sure sure sure yeah you prolong it yeah because if you just do it oh it becomes obvious how you cannot possibly pertain to the domain you are acting from so the extent of your scent sensual cravings is directly determined by the extent of your craving against the painful feeling then you subtracted you that's all it is See so any like when you and again as I said you always thought we don't like the the owner

you have to start with is the order that's affecting with ignorance you can't start things rightly so now okay yeah the lighting is in sensuality is a problem but you're also my stop delight well it's not quite a matter of choice the lighting is a symptom of an underlying assumption so in that case when you are delighting in the prospect Of sensuality you want to then make sure you include the delight and the prospect of of sensual pursue that you mean you're restraining against but the prospect is still there so you want to include the

whole thing including the future sense object within the container of pain that's presently enduring not left not right not before and certainly not after it because that whole assumption that I have a desire then engage and I said like satisfy the Desire runs away no you just you you get tired basically from running away from the pain then you accept it and it cease to hurt so what if you were to accept the pain right away and removing the middleman of central pursuit that cannot possibly even pertain to the domain of pain then you realize

you'll be above the pain even before the pain you can't satisfy your desires but nobody denies it after a degree of engagement with your sensuality projected goals of your Desires you don't feel painful anymore why is that so the sense object remain unchanged in a way like you haven't truly consumed it to destroyed it it's still there things you've been touching even the food in a way it's still there just now in the stomach as opposed to the table so nothing has come out of the material domain into your God soon by the all-powerful sense

herself yet there is no pain now why is love you Discovered a hobo how can you cover it all by five how can you cover though when the domain of senses cannot possibly pertain to the domain of feelings what exchange stop see you know you're not perceiving the pain I knew it you're feeling it what has changed that's you is it yeah but you stopped pursuing it because it doesn't hurt anymore the pressure is gone why is that why is it that it doesn't hurt any why did he hurt it in The first place because

you were just subjected to thankful feeling no that's not suffering ankle feeling is not dukkha clearly to be free from painful feeling so that's the only thing that changed after a certain amount of engagement with central object pursuit of it in particular you stopped resisting the unpleasant feeling in itself and that's why you don't suffer but pursuit of sense object had nothing to do with you stop resisting it he was Basically a diversion and that's why exactly sometimes if you keep engaging with the pursuit of the sense objects it becomes apparent that it cannot do

anything to the pain you'll feel it so what you do that you double down you triple down and that's all perception of sense of proliferate because he has nothing to do with the domain that you are actually acting from and then yet you go to the extremes just to hoping that some of it will allow your mind to Take it as a successful project of diversion basically so you don't know how to stop crying in the feeling you're just doing these random things hoping that it will result in you at least temporarily forgetting about resisting

the pain and that's why you have to stop engaging centrality first even if you're completely ignorant you have to start practicing sense restraint first because it's basically it's on the level of a magical belief by diversion that You know deep down is not and everybody knows that I was saying that every time you wanna go like I remember even way before in my teens before I started reading the goodies mess up you always knew deep down you can't satisfy your desires friends about it like you can't say you can't help but pursuing them but you

know already you can't satisfy them so the only thing that changes like before the pursuit and after pursuit is your own attitude in regard to what You're already feeling what you've been feeling all along that's it so you use sense engagement to tire yourself out so you can't create resistance you can't maintain the resistance towards unpleasant being during feeling and it cease to be unpleasant it's not suffering yeah but habitually anything disagreeable is resisted and you make it into suffering and yeah many times and I'm sure everybody experienced that at some point even after the

combination of Your sense sensual satisfaction of objects the mind still completely unsatisfied and you want more the body can't have more the body's fatigue doesn't that they'd been scratched so much it hurts yet the mental attitude of stamina these are completely unchanged and you just going mad basically with a desire because you've been giving in to that domain of off off sense pursuit they had nothing to do this to and that's the only way you know yes why are You saying that when you've kind of gone so gratifying it is eyes then after would you

feel sort of you feel satisfied that the speaker that's basically because through your acts you've actually reduced craving because there's no suffering well I won't say you reduce that bit like temporarily we'll stop doing it the possibilities ability oh yeah no that's true yes resistance to suffering is craving yeah You stop resisting when you tire yourself out survive I shake I am asking you are you up no that's why this gratification that's how I start to this angle you like if there is no gratification of calling it it does it does gratify something and you

realize even the gratification has nothing to do with sense objects has to do with your own attitude towards your own craving toward your own feeling Sorry which is already next to the craving so so yes just to stretch eager rich you are reducing you are reducing craving what Sylvain Loosli making your dependence on running away of pain even even harder even stronger which means Oh so through reducing this craving actually I am fueling more like I'll be more subjected to even more craving later on because I need that yeah that's I mean that's so first

you have to stop doing it and then you realize that even The act of doing it were rooted in actually oh it's simply because I don't want this pain as in I but really resist it well but it's not painful if I don't resist it it's painful if I resist it and then interfere with it means okay I gave it validity next time I'll resist it even more so what if I okay now I stopped engaging with it stop maintaining these wrong avenues of trying to deal with it stop scratching my itch what if I

now to Endure the pain no let out of it and then just stop resisting no try to get rid of it that's another thing cuz if you resist or like a super Suba becomes for people getting rid of the the sensual pain but yeah I must resist it it doesn't exactly so the pain is there if you tell if sensuality has a reason that's what sensuality in its nature is harassing that is the nature of sin so to stay Horatio no no even before you crave are say The significance the implications of a female body

for a man or male body for a woman of food for a hungry person the implications are forceful even known or required before school is felt unpleasantly and then automatically simultaneously an enlightened mind resists any form of our pleasure so you experience forceful perceptions automatically are already resisting which means automatically rotate the delighting in them to get the freedom For this resistance the you responsible for that so another hunt will a mother when he was with a woman took him her you can stay in this room and then came there and took her clothes off

and tried to basically sleep with him and the synthesis and he just said cross leg then was kind of became mindful of his breathing and she was sort of bouncing trying to get his attention then felt embarrassed because he wasn't and then dressed up and apologize I really first Time I read this suit I thought well why would I don't even need to be mindful of his breath like I thought out of hand would be just completely blind but no he was aware of the significance and that significance is actually arising it's unpleasant so he

was mindful of his breath just because he was subjected to pain not because he tried to get rid of it so okay with this harassment now until it stops I'll just sort of be mindful of my experience as a whole While I'm being tortured that's why dr. Paula Souter when he goes home already on egami maybe even an hour aunt and the father tells all his wives to dress up provocatively how they used to how he used to like it and and they go and start trying to seduce him he says stop harassing this is

harassing like and it is and that's the nature of the senses so you are harassed by your senses being subjected to these forceful Sights sound smell taste touches again like a dog he hears something he can't help it he can't help you he wants to go there now but you don't need to resist that experience as a whole level of harassment doesn't that apply to basically girls right whether it's painful or Pleasant that's what if you were to undo the craving on the absolute fundamental level sexuality will be undone as well it cannot possibly remain

but more Practically you might have to address it in itself go back to that painful feeling yeah everything goes that's the that's I keep saying it of the suitors say that thinks converging feelings always not sometimes not every other day always which means direction your motivation your perceptions basically your moods where do they converge converging how you're feeling right here right now and that feeling indoors so here you are can't stop thinking about a Central object where does it converge converge or present enduring feeling of discomfort that you're resisting you want to get rid of

it but not by anybody means of distracting yourself in this direction that's it and again imagine what imagine being really really hungry and you eat something not even so tasty but it provides you this great pleasure and then imagine you're full to the point of feeling sick and somebody brings something extremely Tasty and you're still sick there is no pleasure in eating it again if the pleasure were in these sense objects there wouldn't be the case every time you were to eat a pleasant thing it will be felt pleasantly but when you are hungry things

they were not pleasant to feel pleasantly and when you're not hungry things that are pleasant feel unpleasantly so what's in common to that well it's in common today whatever your senses are subjected to is in the way Forceful agreeable or disagreeable it pushes significance implies requires you pressures you but all of that will work that whole domain of being pressured implied pulled forced upon will work only if you provide a basis for it and the basis is I resisted discomfort and that's that's how you then become pulled and forced and impressed you stop resisting the

comfort none of these things discomfort none of these things cannot cannot Cannot can't possibly enter you or certainly access there's any any influence over you so the assumption we have assumption is there's a prospect of pleasure and I get I can get that more precise assumption is assuming the pleasure to be external to the pain that's it that's it so assuming pleasure to be external to the to the present enduring pain that's the assumption of sensuality is that's already implied isn't it was Not connected is well that's the thing assuming being external to the pain

you already form the external relationship between the two then you can say it's before it's after it's it's not connected it's fully connected it's the same it's different it's both it's neither cuz you already assumed that point is it so did it but basically it's more than you want that you can you assume that that pleasure can get rid of that pain but that's because more Fundamentally you see it as external from that pain and if you see that that pleasure yeah it cannot possibly get rid of that pain because it because it isn't separate

from my pain it's within this with it's always within it in the same sense you will stop maintaining the notion of your master controller of the five aggregates when you revisit any notion you can have a positive sense of self and master and controller is within the five other days so any notion of Escape from this present enduring pain any notion of pleasure any thought of up tomorrow I'll experience this it's within this so at that time to that extent that is painful which is why prospect of going away from it is pleasant at the

same time it's not like again you don't have to wait tomorrow to say no to yourself in regard to sense objects you can already do it right here right now in the level of the mind That's why sensualities in the mind the Buddha gave that simile like a man lives completely immersed in sin Charlie it's like a man in the river drench so soaking wet and then he finds two sticks and he wants to light the fire well first he needs to step outside of the river because he can't light the fire what sticks but

then even when he's up on the shore he won't be able to light a fire right away he needs to wait for two sticks to dry for his hands to Dry and he said so it's like the man who monks will be drove from sensuality but their minds are still wet but when that dries then you can enlighten the fire basically means understanding this and then yeah you can't get wet again because it's burnt up but that's the point so like now nothing you're just kind of generally mindful you don't have to necessarily context of

sensual assumptions and you have a thought or something sensual the you are about to Be subjected or could be subjected to the delight the extent of their delight is the extent of your resistance to pain nothing else the extent of their delight is not in the object which you don't have yet the extent that the light is the extent of the pain basically that's it and then yes the ones the skin feels scratching it that's unpleasant so it's the same act of the same sensuality that was felt pleasant with first because of an underlying condition

so he put Underlying condition aside and act of scratching is how how is it felt then it's always unpleasant so experience of sense objects is always unpleasant you always harass by it and again that's what I said Cal yeah exactly the cow bean whether it leans on the wall when the tree sits down stands it being consumed but in seek the living that on that surface and that is always and that's why sensuality as an attitude grows the more you engage with it the More options you get from it because it's again you always stays

with you never can never leave that domain there is no outside of the sense objects again we spoke about it in regard to the phone but it's the same principle if you're touching something what are you experiencing the object you are touching or you experiencing the experience of your hand touching something exactly like so yet here you Are assuming that pleasure is contained in particular inside of the particular objects that you can't even enter with your own senses let alone on the level of the mind somehow to kind of transcend this domain and enter this

domain of physicality the inconceivable desire yeah the disturbance I desire you satisfying it but simultaneous here yeah then I'm going to satisfy it I'm gonna keep this thing growing and it's not gonna it's gonna disappear it yeah well He's gonna disappear but by becoming more and more apparent yeah we're getting bigger so when you do have again as I said everybody starts from a wrong place first when you do have a thought of central object don't try to negate it or deny it please don't act towards it which would be overly affirming it but down

don't try to deny it either allow it to endure why because that's how you can discern a Context greater than the thought of sensuality and this is the context created we just described it so oh I did it again I don't know I'm hungry and there is a nice food in the table and that is a delightful prospect I'm delighting in it I'm not acting out of it so I'm trying to sing restraint but the delight is there but if I don't go I shouldn't feel this I shouldn't feel like me oh now I still

I'm trying to get Rid of it first I try to go for it now I try to go against it either way I want to get rid of it so you must stop trying to get rid of it so once you stop once you start restraining and don't as I said overly affirming to a physical action you do have to learn how to lie to to endure not mentally I don't I don't I don't want because you didn't create it to begin with you subtract it to it and you only freedom from what your objective

is To fully understand it you can't understand it if you keep denying it so food is on the table I'm very hungry but I'm restraining myself it hasn't been offered I'm not gonna eat it now I have to delight in my mind at the prospect of eating it crossed with somebody coming and offering when I'll eating in a song how'd you free yourself from that or how do you regain perspective in regard to that direction of prospect as I said would you be eating the food would you Be experiencing your mouth being subjected to food

and see that's the context that you can easily be no but you realize if you make an effort to not ignore it it would actually shift the emphasis from the food food food food - oh these random senses that I was given that subjected to are then subjected to further things even if those things are agreeable or disagreeable you stop feeding them because now you're in the right basis of not being careless in Regard to that as I said can you experience the food can you experience any sense object if your senses are not their

operating living if there is no Sixth Sense base present if the body is not there functional you can't impossible so you realize doesn't matter how much I forget this it is the right order of things the body comes first and S&S acity of the six senses comes first yeah they are only known through engagement with sense Objects but again I cannot abandon them to go to sense objects because my only formal relationship is with endeavors they've relay to sense objects you have to say so you stop assuming external to your six senses again Papa Don

I'm done you stop assuming external to the to the sense of five aggregates at ibadah I'm done you stop assuming external to the basically present enduring feeling means you stop craving against the present interior feeling rather against the odds Are against away from it for the Honda it's always the same principle that's why it's always super dominant