what do you believe happens when we die after all of your research and experiencing okay well that's it's um real easy uh did you say it's easy that's easy yeah i love that i love it well you know sometimes when i explain this people ask me well how do you know you know how do you think you know why do you think you know this well i have you know bob taught me and and it turns out much earlier even when i was a young child i i did out a body and then i got
serious about it after i already was you know a graduate student in physics working on my phd that's what i was doing when i first met bob and in any case i studied how things worked i learned how to go out of body on demand whenever i want to do the things i wanted to do so some of the things i did was go with somebody who's dying and just go with them and see what happens watch them you know hang with them just like dentists you know we were to stick together well you just
stick together and you can follow that person and you can observe what happens also i was given a job to work in what i call the transition reality which is where after you die you end up in another virtual reality not this virtual reality but a different virtual reality and that's what i call the transition reality and basically that gets you prepared to transition from the last avatar into the process of getting another avatar so that's kind of the transition and i work there i don't know probably every night for a month or two it's
just as soon as i close my eyes and you know exit gone go to work and i'd spend the night there in that reality and i did that day after day after day so then i saw it from the other side as the people entered this transition reality and you know i can i can go back into my own memory and look at my own transitions that history is all recorded so i can go back and look at the transitions between lives so i've looked at it from different perspectives which is where my information comes
from most everything i say is first person knowledge firsthand knowledge not out of theory but just out of my own experience and i could never have come to the results and conclusions i did if i wasn't able to go out of body on demand and and do it over and over and over again precisely because if i have some sort of an effect okay so i remote view now i can go out of body again but do something just take a variable any variable and change it a little bit how does that affect the result
we'll change the variable a little more so you can change variables one at a time until you eventually build up an understanding of what affects what and you know how does how does it work so it's just like science is done anywhere you just have to be able you know it's it's slow it's repetitive you have to repeat things because any anything may have just been circumstantial the way it happened so you have to repeat it the repetition you know has to give you consistent answers you have to vary one variable at a time same
way science is done everywhere and that's how i figured it out so let me go through the process first of all i'll have to tell you who we are we are individuated units of consciousness okay and we log on to a virtual reality and the way we do that is that we take a we we would be the thing we make a petition of ourselves okay we're consciousness consciousness is an information system consciousness is about awareness with a choice that's all about information so here we are this this individual unit of consciousness we partition a
piece of ourselves off and that partition we don't give it all our memory we don't give it any of our memory but we do let it have our quality of consciousness that we have earned that we have evolved to at that time wow so this little piece of us which is nothing but our quality of consciousness our potential if you will for evolution because every time you evolve it's a little easier to evolve more you know if you devolve it's a little harder to evolve you know it's that sort of thing so so you take
this this partitioned off piece of you i call that a free will awareness unit that's actually what logs on to the avatar now the avatar at this point is you know a baby maybe still in utero maybe not it's whenever the you know the free will awareness unit would like to start experiencing those experiences well when it does those experiences the free will awareness unit has are its only experiences because it didn't come with any of its own so it very quickly believes that it is that infant it is that person because it's only experience
is being that person you see so it's it's completely 100 in its mind that's who it is you think you are your body you think you are your avatar because that all your experience is the experience of that avatar all right so the avatar grows old and dies when that avatar dies then the the boundary between the iuoc individual unicorns and the freewall awareness unit starts to come down that petition starts to come down and that free will awareness unit basically just becomes goes away disappears because the partition's taken down now it's the individuated units
of consciousness now that doesn't happen in an instant you know things happen over little bits of time that's why you need a transition reality so things aren't you know wham you know happen that's not very good transition it needs to take a little time so immediately what happens when you die is that you find yourself aware in some other reality and then that awareness uh kind of looks around and like where am i what's going on and very soon something will catch your attention might be the light at the end of the tunnel it might
be uncle fred has come down say oh hi there nephew i came here to to say hello you know uncle fred's maybe been dead for a decade or two or your parents or your older brother or whoever so these things are things given to you by the system it's not necessarily actually your uncle fred uncle fred ted he's gone this is uncle fred as saved in the database this is uncle fred um you might say being played by the larger consciousness system and you think oh that's a fake uncle fred well what is uncle fred
it was a piece of the larger cancer system we're all played by the system if you you don't want to think of it that way that's what it is which would you say that system larger consciousness system many people say that's god but when you say that's god you also have to realize it's not infinite it's not perfect it's not done it wasn't always just the way it is it's still evolving it's growing so it's a real thing it's a real living being thing you see it's not this supernatural thing it's a natural thing it's
a piece of consciousness that is evolving okay so anyway so that petition comes down which means the viewpoint of that free will awareness unit starts to change it gets to be a bigger a bigger viewpoint slowly but here's the process so immediately you find yourself in some other reality frame then the system you know basically put you in the the you know that reality frame for making the transition and the transition is something to just give you time to adjust that's all if you don't need much time to adjust it's a very quick transition if
you need a lot more time to adjust that take as much time as you need it so the reality that you just left that the the character that just died those memories start to fade just like dreams fade well so you know you wake up with a dream and right the instant you wake up wow it's big 3d technicolor and a minute later not so much and three or four hours later you can kind of pick the stronger pieces out and eventually just kind of goes away so that's the way your your sense of reality
is it starts to fade like a dream and then you're in you people come and meet you you're distracted oh go stand over there in line you're going to matriculate in and see that lady you know she'll she'll know what you're supposed to do next well there isn't anything really you're supposed to do next it's just that's just to give you something to do that's non-threatening that lets you just relax my my very young um husband first husband passed away of colon cancer at age 35 and about two days before his passing he was talking
to me and lying down in bed in hospital he said to me you know i can see people in this room that are both dead and alive i know here's our friends who are alive but i can also see people who are dead and my my husband was an atheist so for him to see if just 48 hours before he transitioned into the new reality this experience so can this consciousness avatar bleed in i guess to this reality to to take the person through it even before they die it's not so much that there's something
other beings that are bleeding in to take the person we kind of make that up because it sounds like a good story but the system is giving them this this viewpoint they are seeing their data stream their data stream contains dead people now and that's starting to relax them to let this process of dying go so they're not so fearful as they enter the process so yes the system will give them help to make the transition and not everybody will see dead people before they die but a person who is open to that will okay
so that that happened all right so let's finish the process so you begin to forget your reality it just begins to fade out like a dream and then you meet uncle fred and then uncle fred says hello and whatever oh but uncle fred has to go he never hangs around too long just enough to get you a an introduction and just enough to point out where to go and then you go over there and you get in that line and you start to relax and eventually you get to the point that you think well see
i'm kind of just standing around nothing's going on um you know what's what's next and you get the idea well you know another experience another lifetime is next what would you like to do what do you need to work on and depending on how you answer that question if you say oh well i thought i was done i think i'm almost perfect just the way i am well if that's the way you feel then you probably will get a life review which will show you you flying off the handle you know you being self-centered you
being arrogant and so on so that you can understand more of what it is you need to learn but if you answer that question of well you know anger management's been my downfall the last three times and i know i didn't do so well this time either so i really need something that's going to help me work on that then you probably don't get the life review because you already kind of have a sense of where you're going and what you need to do then you finally you the system will pick a spot for you
you don't know enough you don't have enough information to really pick a spot yourself the system has the big picture and it picks out a spot where the probability is that you can you can succeed it looks like it's not too hard not too easy too easy you don't learn much too hard you know it's difficult to succeed so to try to find something that will kind of work and you get to agree to it if you can say all right i'll take that and then off you go now what happens is your individuated unit
of consciousness makes another petition another free will awareness unit only quality not memory and it logs on to wherever the system tells you to log on to and now you have another lifetime so that's kind of the process that that happens all right so so is it like simulation theory uh or is it the soul um which is more of a i guess is that the human uh translation of what this this process you just described that we need something more meaningful than that so when let's say that when when our loved one leaves this
reality and goes off and forgets about this reality do you believe that we find our way to that consciousness again and again and again do you believe that we do and and you know thousands of people are going to listen to this conversation and and a lot of the community that that is the community that this goes to it are many people who who not only want to believe that we continue on with this whatever version but that they're trying to find the meaning behind behind this experience and and can we meet them again i
know i know i'm asking from a human christina this question and i understand i'm asking from this avatar i'm understand i'm asking from this physical experience because when i have my journeys when i go to to have all these other experience i have access to everyone i've loved i have access to the place outside of time i can go and do and be anything so the question i'm asking i understand it comes from this reality this physical reality that we are experiencing through our avatars so to answer it with that in mind what is do
we ever meet again okay it is possible that we meet again because sometimes individuals are just good bringing out the best in each other yeah so sometimes people will incarnate i call it having another experience packet but they'll incarnate with somebody that they've incarnated with before just because those two people helped each other grow you know or three people you know so that's possible that's in the margins it doesn't happen that often really well yeah it doesn't happen that often now here's the way it works remember that future probability database that the system needed because
it needed the probability of all the possibilities well that database that gives everything that could possibly happen and the probability that it will that's i call future probability database when when it time goes by what was in the future now becomes past so we also have a past database that's everything that could have happened and the probability that it would have and with a little thread going through that which is actually our own history the choices that we made all right what we actualized of all those possibilities okay now that database is very complete of
us there's a there's somebody in that database that is you christine because of all the things you've done but it's not just what you look like at what age it's every thought you've ever had every feeling you've ever had not only everything you've done but everything you've thought about doing but didn't do it's everything all the feelings all the attitudes all the experience all the thoughts even all the dreams all the nightmares all the good drinks everything everything you've experienced is there okay and it's saved in this in this database and so it is for
everyone so that is a record of who we are and the reason that that history is valuable and the system wants to save it is the same reason history is always valuable you can learn from it so here you are in iuoc an individuated unit of consciousness and you do have memory in that form of all the past lives and you can look across all of them and find trends and find you know things that you consistently fail at and things that you consistently succeed at and it helps you plan and helps you grow because
you you have the history to work with so we have this this database so a person who's going through this cycle i just described you know they die they kind of forget they get back into the game and they die and they forget they get back into the game they're just going round through this process now any time that you would like to meet up with someone who's died who's a loved one of yours well all you do is have that intention in your mind and there they are yeah you see you put yourself in
this intuitive space it's again you have to get an intuitive space you have to unclutter the mind you have to have some some oomph behind it to make it happen and there they are it's just a matter of having an intent and you can communicate with them you can talk with them you can share with them and what you're doing is really sharing with that person as they were in that lifetime it's that same person it's not who they became next or next after that it's that individual person well that individual person doesn't really exist
with a free will anymore because that character died that avatar died but that person does exist in every way that you can think of what it what existence means in this database except they don't have free will they're just information but all their feelings all their emotions and you can go in and interact with that database and it is exactly like interacting with that person it is that person actually okay and if you think well gee that's just a fake well no think of it this way we are we are subsets of the larger system
and what are we well we are also information systems we're also information and data so the only difference between me now and me in the database is the me here makes for evil choices to me there is everything i've ever been thought of done didn't do whatever it's there now you can go to say uncle fred he's he's dead and you can talk to uncle fred and uncle fred made something like oh i thought it was really good idea that you bought uh you know susie a bicycle last week and you're thinking oh how does
uncle fred know that i bought susie a bicycle last week well it's just like him to to say something it's just like him to to approve of it but how did he know that you see well that's not in his database but what's happened there is you're now asking questions you're having interactions that do require free will those require updates and the larger consciousness system is basically playing uncle fred con constrained by uncle fred's database so he only plays him as uncle fred and you say well that's kind of odd but look who am i
who are you the larger conscious system is really playing tom campbell christine erasmus right right now right so you know is this you know is this you see uncle fred or not well of course it's the larger conscious system plain uncle fred just exactly the way uncle fred would with all of his experiences so that uncle fred can last forever thousand years from now that uncle fred will still be there
