GUILHERME FREIRE (FILÓSOFO) - PODPEOPLE #187

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] our guest today is a philosopher, speaker and educator, he works by presenting philosophy in a practical and accessible way to professionals from different areas, connecting classic ideas to contemporary issues in this chat, let's go approach political philosophy in society leadership based on classical virtues the relationship between religion and the meaning of life and family moral values ​​in the new generations with you Guilherme Freire [Music] [Music] Hello everyone, be very happy welcome to another episode of pod people a place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People

who happen people who Inspire our guest today is an educator and philosopher his name Guilherme Freire All good All good my dear very happy to be here, it's a joy to be in a wonderful city, here to record this podcast, what a great thing, thank you very much for answering our invitation, no, no, I said it there in the office, I'm going to record with Ana Beatriz, people said so, wow, I love her and so on, so it was One joy is that I'm old of war, understand, Guilherme, I was already at the beginning of

the internet and at the height of fant TV, but we are there, right dear, I wanted you to tell me a little about the choice to do philosophy and within philosophy what fascinated you So let's start the that led you to think about philosophy as a professional and lifestyle possibility, yes, perfect, so I entered law school at the time it was my first an Dire I started with law and then it was my first year and when I entered law school I I got into a kind of existential crisis I got into a mess because

my expectations at school everyone said Oh, when you get to college there will be an environment of research and the search for Knowledge and the reality was a little different, it was an atmosphere Ah, the center of life birthday, I don't know , the parties were a very ideological climate, it was a rather inhospitable climate, in fact, and then I ate for research, the study that you expected for all kinds of things that I imagined, and you see, there aren't any good things at the university, of course. but it's just that in fact it is

a common experience until you find that experience a little dry even in the sense of ideas, right And then I started to take refuge in the library to study to try to find some answer, right You went to PUC de São Paulo pa uhum I started to run away to the library and And then I opened this book by Plato which was Meno in this case the dialogue Meno And then it talked about it's not the main theme of the Dialogue but there was an excerpt that talked about the immortality of the soul and then

I had that in my head very strongly I said, man, an immortality of the Soul, right? What is this ? Do I have a soul? Do I? Do I have an Immortal soul? Imagine, and I got very strongly into the question of whether God exists? stacking books, Right, atheist arguments Oh, and arguments that said that God exists, I started comparing the two and to my shock, at the time, I expected, right, that the atheist books would know the Christian arguments and that the Christian books would not also know the atheist arguments for my shock was

exactly the opposite, in fact, when I started reading all these treatises, I realized that atheists' books rarely knew Christian arguments well and that Christians knew atu arguments very well and that was a shock for me, right? And then I got into this discussion of the proof metaphysics means God who appears there in Aristotle and especially Saint Thomas Aquinas And then at the same time I was reading the literature book that was the wonderful brothers Karamazov Dostoyevski and then there is this excerpt that impacted me Alosha, which is the name of Dostoevsky's son who passed away,

and who is the Christian character in the story, and Al Acha is at the foot of the bed with colia So cola was a boy, he called himself a socialist, he wasn't very different. One of my college friends had the same profile in many aspects and he was in bed and then Cola says to Alosa he Says why don't you leave why do you stay here and Alosa says because I think you have a soul and me I'm here by your side and then I go home I close myself with these books of Saint Thomas

and Aquinas, in fact, especially the parts Plato started with Plato Aristotle And then Saint Thomas Jaino, why did I stop at Thomas Jaino because I thought so, well, this is one of the Champions here of Christianity, if he was wrong, I don't need to join right And then I locked myself away at night, right, I closed the bedroom door, I closed it with your theology behind me, your entire theology, obviously I read the parts that talked about the existence of God, right? And then I kept reading that and rereading And then at the end of

that night of studying I said damn God exists and now what do I do with my life, right, but that was a personal observation uhum or a rapture by a very well-founded argument because it was a rapture by a very well-founded argument that at the time So I had been baptized Catholic and had left the church at the beginning of my adolescence, no one went to mass that I knew, I didn't know Anyone who was a practicing Christian. day and when I read that, right, and I said damn, right? It's coherent, it's beautiful, it's simplicity,

it's impressive, I fell in love with metaphysics from then on, well, I picked it up right after this episode, I I took my first communion Bible and there was a plastic rosary that came with it, it was the last thing to imagine that had anything to do with God, which I had. And then I started to pray the rosary that was in the Bible, there was a guide to How to pray the rosary what a horrible plastic thing , right ? right And then I said damn, I'm going to start following this intellectual life, and

as philosophy had made such a big change in my life, I started reading philosophers, reading the most varied thinkers And then, after a while, I dropped the law school and went to Philosophy, how long is it like, a few years, it was more Exactly everything you're saying there, because it is, it was more or less, so I was more or less halfway through law school when I dropped out for two years and something is And then everything The world thought I had gone crazy and my parents wanted to disinherit me everyone really said he went

crazy Finally, right? Now he became a philosopher, right? And it was even crazier because it happened at the end, right? Because I told him from the beginning that I was going to undertake in the field of philosophy then really that people say good now he's really gone crazy, right? So you can undertake anything, but philosophy is the worst, the last one you should do, that was in what year, more or less, ah 2000 and 14 15, my change was between my personal change like God exists I'm going to start dedicating myself to an intellectual life

I'm going to read every day I'm going to have a daily reading routine I'm going to read the greatest philosophers this starts between 2011 and 2012, especially 2012 and the moment when I changed colleges there between 2014 and 2015 And so in reality the great find of law school was the library was the library Of course, and and And and in the library there was ours, there were many incredible works, right, I discovered so many authors José Pedro Galvão de Souza, for me, is still the best jurist I have ever read, I thought he was

one of the founders of PUC in São Paulo, almost no one knows how to discover during this period the first things about Psychology that I read I read during this period Victor Frank is wonderful souen niten I'm in love Oh I read a lot of things during this period anyway Oh good good things like that and And then me and of course Victor Frankle was also an influence in the sense of searching for the meaning of life so several things start to fall into place, right, it had everything to do with the Your metaphysical interest,

right, had absolutely everything to do with it. And then I got into it. I got into Philosophy. People said, well, you're going to get into philosophy. Now you're going to learn that there are many, many thoughts besides Plato's medieval and classical philosophy. Aristotle Augustine Thomas you will see so many other philosophers and then I read several other lines, these Enlightenment lines and Marx etc. Foucault, all the things and really me I was convinced that Plato, Aristotle, Thomas was the best, even though the Triad was already in the Sant Quartet, there is no Quartet, I would

say that to this day I am Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, and I would add Augustine, if I were to put a fourth, right, it would be a Quartet in that sense, but without I doubt I'm inclined to talk about Plato, Aristotle and Saint Thomas Maybe, but I'm in love with Augustine too , but time goes by and I convince myself and even the modern philosophers or basically the ones that I started to admire But they were also admirers of these, they also drank a lot from these Classical sources, in fact, and And then I did my

master's degree in Philosophy at PUC, so I finished my master's degree, it was also a very very fascinating sociological experience, right? and I finish What was your Master's topic Ah it was the scientific method in the philosophy of purse uhum ah Charles purse so it's about it was a is it the scientific method in fact the main thesis is that the scientific method it does not contradict a realist view of philosophy Ah so basically a realist view is a view in which universals are real so things like justice like human nature and uh like triangles

are universal and there is a very big Division in philosophy between the nominalists who say that These are just names are things that do not have an objective reality behind them, they are attributions of names to individual things, right, so they have characteristics common to individual things and in realistic philosophy you say that they are real that they exist and that there is something there is a human nature there is a Justice exists a beauty Human essence and Exactly is essence and nature are the same thing Essence Ah is what makes a thing what it

is and nature is the essence in terms of purpose so it is the same thing as Essence but destined for a purpose exactly like when I talk about the end so for example It's the nature of this cup for me to drink Ah, it's for drinking a liquid that has a liquid that holds a liquid . Being rational is human nature having passions, human nature, being an animal, and so on, values ​​are absolutely human nature, so values, all of this is associated with a Realistic philosophy and many currents in the modern world that the great

crisis That I have been identifying is that the modern world tends very much towards hedonism either for relativism or for materialism I think this is the triplet that I basically identified as a problem, right, so almost everything is just matter, almost everything is just immanent, it's just what's in front of me Ah, morally, you don't have a sense of duty, no. he has a sense of deeper meaning everything is simply immediate pleasure and finally everything is relativistic so when you question someone about this they will say no everyone has their own truth everyone has their

own planet but this is a philosophy of Modern Times, right? Of course, this for me is exactly what the crisis is for me, right? Why does it prevail? This is what prevails today and I would say that what generates a big crisis is because when you start to live your life from these three aspects, right? What happens is that you will basically have a series of problems because away from a morality of the sense of duty you will start to have choices with very short term rewards and with failing to achieve deeper goals if you

have a materialistic life you will stop thinking in a Transcendent sense by definition nature points to something external to itself person and For A Final Destination of our life so people hear today that their life has no meaning it has no purpose this will cause discouragement and they will have very little no and an inconsequence an inconsequence because if it all ends there I don't have no responsibility is perfect good szen Said V be happy here now and screw the rest perfect szin said at Harvard right said look Hey here in the West people have

lost the sense of courage and sacrifice and even though they have many Material Goods the truth is that they they will not fulfill the ultimate meaning of life and even in suffering you find a redeeming meaning when you have a greater meaning behind the things So that's all these sequences of values ​​are associated with Realism there in My Master's thesis basically what I wanted to say is that science actually presupposes a certain Realism it is not alien to Realism people make a very common mistake So we would say, no, I don't believe in metaphysics, I

believe in science, but they really are Totally different scopes. I talk basically about when I talk about science, I need to formulate hypotheses, validate these hypotheses, test them and I will use the results that follow if they are true and reproducible Exactly exactly so I will basically have a methodology for analyzing reality, this methodology will often point to General Laws, even though these laws will be questioned over time, but the very thing itself, so if I talk, I don't know, about inertia, I already I'm talking about a Universal, I'm not simply talking about a particular

of something, so exactly what I was arguing there, speaking, look, in fact, there is 1, first, the scientific method is presupposing universals at all times, the very existence of a science, the existence of a rationality, the existence of the capacity to to understand things so the first point is that you are not running away from realism when doing these things second thing about metaphysics and the scientific method is that fundamentally metaphysics precedes the scientific method because it has several assumptions and I need to have science example principle of identity that just as there is a

world to be Known that there is a that I am a rational being capable of Ascertaining the world that there is a reality all these things are presupposed and are prior to science itself to the scientific method, right? and even the question whether God exists is not the object of the scientific method because you cannot analyze it, you cannot reproduce results from it, so it is a question prior to the scientific method, the metaphysical question is not a scientific question, that is why I I think it's kind of comical, right? I said that to Ah,

for example, Sérgio, who is an astronomer, right? And yes, that's right, and he said that he didn't believe in God and I told him and then he was quite shocked by it, right, it was on his program. he is very shocked because I I said look and I think that many of the debates you had were unhappy because people are trying to say whether you are going to prove or deny the existence of God through the scientific method there is no such thing as a possibility Van and in fact you are not even going to

depret It's out of step with the tool. In fact, this is a metaphysical discussion and people stop studying metaphysics. There was once a Debate that I saw, which was very good, and one of the proponents, right? He arrived and said metaphysics is dead, and then the other one said, well, metaphysics. died is a metaphysical phrase then Eh so the problem there is that you are trying to solve a problem with the exact wrong tool So this is so so my research which involved logic and scientific method deep down things are all connected I fell in

love for science, in fact, during during my master's degree, for everything that was logic, I even studied medieval logic, also mathematical logic, it was one of the coolest things I studied during this period, but as soon as I left college, my desire was for taking philosophy to a Ah to a way in which it could be applied to people's lives . the big one, my big one, the thing that won't leave my head and the two companies that I founded, right, that's what I run today, these two companies, both of them are professionalism, both of

them had, Which is the philosophy of from scratch from zero is i In Search of the Truth In Search of the Truth So the two it even addressed different problems, right, so in the case of philosophy from zero to great on the YouTube channel, right, then the pandemic started And then my wife says, oh, without starting talking on the internet, I said oh, talking on the internet, I have so many things to do and so on, I'm going to start doing that, she said, go and record it then Eh, we had two children if your

objective was, in fact , to propagate the philosophy into people's daily lives . night on a Chinese tripod and on my cell phone I started posting these videos and then there were 300 people watching Then there were 1000 Then there were 10,000 and then there were 100,000 And then things grew and then you said there are people who are interested, there are many more people interested than I imagined and And then my philosophy of Zero they It arose from the following question, right, how do I take a person, a lawyer, a doctor, and a businesswoman,

A person who has never studied philosophy before and I do she starts from scratch from scratch starting from scratch without having any preparation, sometimes she had that preparation from college but it wasn't that it was terrible, it was really great because philosophy was given to us so that we didn't like philosophy exactly And then how do I give this prepare the person so that they can read the great books so I started testing a PR methodology for my students to read, for example, all of Plato's dialogues, Plato's entire work on a funny note So I

went to Cambridge, right? And then I became friends with this professor in Cambridge, he's a really crazy Swede And then I told him that I had, I don't know, a lot of students who had read Plato's entire work . I can get them to read this It's not even captivity, I said it's good in some ways, and we became friends after that, including him and he's recording some philosophy classes from scratch, that's cool, but basically, the methodology came from the idea of ​​the experience of having to accompany the student And having to do what he

Read even not just take him by the hand take him by the hand like you take a child F come here there are interesting things here for you to see is And then my big one which is a project of years but my big dream for philosophy Once it's already moving, it's going well, it's going have a class for each of the main classics of philosophy Uhum So we've finished Plato's entire work, now we have a class for each of Plato's dialogues and we're developing Aristotle's work, there's already Augustine Machiavelli Rousseau, several things are there

and but my idea is to sweep puchin it's very difficult to read it's not that easy it's not digestive it's nothing n no and who has tried to read it and and I recommend that people start with the confessions oh the person will have a much better experience until before book 10 and then when book 10 arrives she will start to feel immense difficulty. So these things that we start mapping, right when over time we start to understand where people get stuck What is to not let her give up there exactly so as not to

let her give up there And then come with the reading guide for example one Thing I put there is a dictionary because a lot of what makes people get stuck are the terms so it appears there that we didn't even talk about here Essence nature then the person gets stuck Because this word already appears and then another comes along and then it starts to accumulate several of these metaphysics God what a horrible word the person is already saying I don't understand what this word means when it accumulates about 10 of these the person Gives up

then this one one of the concerns was this part of the dictionary, you know, having at the same time an accessible dictionary there when reading, exactly. So this is the challenge of the philosophy of zer, which was in fact very successful, it was something that makes me very happy, and the other challenge of In Search of Truth is also curious because then there was the problem that we have a crisis of leaders in today's society so there is no point you have two pillars of practical philosophy which are ethics and political philosophy and clearly both

have great there is a consensus eh that we don't have a unity Ah in Brazil of values ​​and and clearly there is one and almost everyone realizes that things are not working people differ on what The solution is But they clearly realize that there is a crisis and it is an ethical crisis I think that these points are practically peaceful, almost no one will argue, you differentiate Guilherme ethics of morals because for example I associate a lot if I'm wrong please correct me I associate a lot of morals with the law is what is established

ethics is something that transcends what is determined yes me I don't I don't differentiate even because uh or you put it in I don't know that there are people who try to differentiate me and is because it is literally the same word but one in Greek and the other in Latin because ethos is custom and ethics is the study of custom and mos is custom in Latin it is the translation of ethos and morale It is therefore the translation of ethics, so literally ethics and morals are the same word because I think ethics is a

more beautiful word, I don't know why, no, I like using ethics, but that's how morale is the Hips literes translation of ethics, you know, there are one of the things I'm passionate about is languages, right? I'm now in a very thankless task, which is studying Japanese, and even today I'm still going to teach a class to Japanese businesspeople, right? And it's Very thankless because it's the Chinese ideograms that have been adapted. to Japan very difficult It's 2000, right? And then there's a planet to be discovered But you know that ti etymology helps a lot to

understand several things, for example eh, icton is thrown in Latin we say several words that come from there obon is thrown forward ah incon is thrown inwards right Su is launched from below so we say subject object injection and these are words that come from Latin these prefixes It is and there are words from Greek that are poorly translated, for example, for me, a very notable one if you take a text from Aristotle, ethics, for example, has mistakenly become commonplace that the purpose of ethics is happiness. This is a translation of eudemonia. lyrics Daimonia is

not happiness, I am good and diamon is the intermediary between heaven and earth, between what is eternal and what is earthly, so much so that Socrates talks to Diamond, so eudaimonia literally means good intermediation between heaven and the earth the most accurate connotation is that you live on this Transitory earth the eternal values ​​preparing a later and quality life well this also connects because here in this case that's not even what he's thinking Aristotle they're thinking like Aristotle's thought is like that there are things that they have that are exactly related to these universals So

there is a in Plato's view there is a Paradigm and all things are derived from that paradigm so you could think of it as a paradigmatic Justice eh you could think that there is justice beauty and that we seek this for Aristotle the beginning of the creation of the world begins with the so-called first unmoved mover which he calls God, you can see in the book Lick of Metaphysics he describes it, right, and it is very beautiful because he says that God fills us with Villa because he is intelligence because he is because he is

goodness and the description is very beautiful and how he begins all things to some extent he is the purpose of all things because everything that creates something is the purpose of that thing to some extent so for example when I create a painting hey, I somehow realized What is the purpose of that painting if I create Any craftsmanship, I have a certain purpose of that, how about it, it just says that God moves the world out of love, right Uhum So he puts all the things and they are attracted to him back and arteres also

says that we have an Immortal soul that is linked to our reason so ethics is clear that it cannot be understood as disconnected from this Divine origin is from the fact that we are going to die ah because it is a fact or are we going to stop being matter or we will stop being matter Perfect to the most appropriate perfect soul exactly And this has to guide our lives so living thinking about living thinking about the best death is one of the biggest factors, it seems to me, not only in psychological health or in

all aspects But it is one of the It's an art that illuminates ethics and for a few, it's a difficult art and ethics. So it's this good drama. I'm going to be in a life that will have challenges, our body will have difficulties. Publicizes so many complicated things that will happen family crisis like I live this justice this beauty, this search for Goodness and this fullness of the Soul, fullness of the Soul, I think it's a Better translation than happiness, including for eudaimonia, it's more correct. The Latins used the term, we didn't follow them in

this, they used the term bliss to translate eh eudemonia eh So how do I how do I obtain this Plenitude how do I get there so I'm going to have to this this is very Aristotle this life full of problems and difficulties how do I manage to be the mature man to be the person who will have a fulfilled soul that will reach the maximum and potential that will be not being a slave to his passions But he will be the Lord of his passions and that will be able to impact people and the leader

says Aristotle has to be a mature man Surely , if you don't have training in ethics and good training in political philosophy, you won't have good leaders, so I, in search of the truth, emerged from this vision and said, look, Brazil is suffering from a gigantic leadership crisis, people They don't study ethics, they don't study philosophy classical, how do I do it, and how do I Bridge the GAP, right, how do I connect this classical knowledge, awaken this with the day to day life of the businessman, the person who leads teams that does other things,

and Then I have this partner, Gabriel, leaders in general leaders in general it's politics but even now it's a global crisis it's a global crisis maybe in Latin America in South America and specifically in Brazil this is more blatant than in others but we look at the feeling I have Today, Guilherme, there is a crisis, I've been saying this since 2009 that's how I say the crisis was never Economic um the crisis capitalism achieved at a certain moment is of Global prosperity and it gives us the certainty that the crisis was never about money Because

there was an excess of money but there was an ethical crisis clo Of course not It's like this question of is is very curious because the idea that matter will solve problems is a van matter it's a van idea so ah no capitalism better quality of life will solve problems you go to San Francisco to Vale do Silicon has infinite money people are using cracks on the streets and they are unhappy and they have more money than people, there simply is money for everyone and there is benefit from the government and all that, this is

proven by neuroscience, the more you have, There comes a time when this having opens an abyss you have more depression more drugs detion more anxiety so Harmony oaao How do you say the term we talk about a lot thoughtfulness is not even thoughtfulness it is when you have Oh my God you say common sense is common sense goes for everything is I'm Zenit commenting on Stoev who says look Eh if you have a man who has all the pleasures and all the comforts his life is actually unhappy then he would start to get desperate to

get out of the complete existential boredom into which he would enter to the extent that you gave everything and it is a crisis in the West without a doubt and I attribute it to basically a mistake, right, so this occurred to me reading it the day I went to teach a subject at college about after the virtue of aon mcintire it is a beautiful book after the virtue is from alizer's excuse alizer mcintire's book called after virtue and this book talked about the Enlightenment's impossibility of justifying morals and then that stuck in my head I

said wow, of course it's a crisis in the West because we all adhere to this Enlightenment paradigm so everyone bought this 200 years ago and we said well We're all going to be equal and we're all going to be free and we're all going to be fraternal and all of this comes from this modern state hedonic principle and that of individuals who make a social contract and who come together to solve all the problems on earth and have this latent and underlying Hope that there will be a kind of earthly paradise, uh, ISO, that's Global,

that's, that's within the liberalism of socialism, of progressivism, of any other aspect is ideological exactly and even with the criticism I do but for many modern conservatives they have this same Enlightenment paradigm they are coming from the same source they don't even know how to think outside and And so why is everyone drinking from this source afterwards virtue about moral theory Uhum And then he he says he basically says that the problem here for the old ones you have some factors here there is a sense of community the idea that to live virtue you live

this we are dependent Rational animals we have people around us family today half of the children in Brazil grow up the father the western countries do not have fertility to replace population so the family Biggest things are missing the sense that I belong to a community that we have common values ​​the deep sense of natural law that at the end of the day there are habits and things that direct us towards good and there is and there are immutable principles that can guide our lives, so for example, it's good to be fair, it's good to

be courageous, it's good to give one's life for others, that sacrifice, when seen with meaning, is a redemptive thing. They are universal values, no. these are particular values ​​today but society is fragmented because everyone is thinking it's my interest group it's mine it's my business and And when do we let go of all this and look at universal values ​​for values ​​that benefit everyone? the people I was giving a lecture instead, right? And then I talked about the importance of a series of habits, right? So I talked about hydration and diet, eh, SOS, I decided

jitsu, ah, basically because of resilience, Plato was a wrestling champion, right, I didn't know that, reading financial health, so I started talking about a series of good habits, right? And then someone raised their hand, said Guilherme, But what is Your plan for black women? Then I said, hydration, diet, physical exercise, reading. Oh, and for Chinese men, it's the same and for people aged 80 and over. for people from 15 years is the same as what I'm talking about here, it is by definition Universal if the person improves hydration, diet, starts reading, starts looking at their

life with a Redeeming meaning, looking at their family with a closer look, eh It doesn't matter if they come in a rich family if they come from a poor family if they come from each one will have their own difficulties, context, it's not that I'm belittling this But regardless of anything it will benefit that person, that's what is meant by Universal and the loss of this sense of values universals and the tremendous emphasis on individuals or interest groups or particular values ​​or even on the state itself, which is basically a hedonic principle, it's talking about

how I'm going to maximize people's pleasure, it's an implicit utilitarianism, everyone is a utilitarian in the world modern on some level, right? And that would certainly have to be broken. Whoever wasn't a utilitarian was our rural grandmother with a clay filter and A transparent brown plate who prayed the rosary every day and threw her slipper at the children, she was. Without a doubt, she didn't get it right he never got it right never never never everything was done to get it wrong wisdom of the Common Man that I just mentioned, because deep down in this

Enlightenment desire that has almost something kind of alchemical, something kind of like I need to transform the world into my image, likeness, uh, we move away from these perennial universal values ​​and this generates I think it's a fragmentation , I'm talking about my area, right? Mental Health medicine, I have no doubt that we are in a phase where people don't reflect on anything and reproduce, what are the masses doing and who is governing what the mass is doing it before politicians are the ones who dominate how we work, marketing, neuromarketing, to say more, because marketing

is something, neuromarketing is when Dom Mass psychology like that, right, exactly, and I notice That, uh, the generations are increasingly in this movement they don't know what they are what they are intended for and they have no idea, many will look at you, okay, but so what and how do I think of this as if this were something you're going to give to the person Of course, of course, not that they're going to look for the movement that she exactly doesn't have the slightest knowledge of humanity Where we came from because people talk a lot

oh we are only the most intelligent animals but what saved us was not intelligence it was cooperation and it is highly questionable if we are the most intelligent because of technology, I mean to a certain extent the fact that other things actually dumb people down because they stop developing themselves to put something external in and you just have to see the language clearly the language has gotten worse, there are statistics that what is decreasing, you know, young people today give up at the first obstacle, first thing first, I want to die before, suicide was an

extreme extreme measure of you can't handle anything anymore today, I'm going to take my life because it's over the first date let's say well, 50% of generation z reports that if my boss orders me, I don't want to work, which is a very high expectation, well, the Roman Triad is one of authority and religion and tradition, which was Roman society, all based on Nis because religion was to reconnect the origin uhm tradition is to learn from the past so as not to make the same mistakes and authority is to seek excellence to communicate and to

guide people based on that excellence, right many people grew up without their father they don't have that reference eh oo teacher many times he is more worried about school things he is more worried about bureaucracy and other things that he has to solve eh eee frankly the current Educational method University school whatever no one is looking at the person's education the person's aggrandizement you're looking at external things, technical education or other things, right? And since no one looks at a person, you never form him or her, the individual, you never form the excellence of the

person, citizen, right, it's even more than And then you create a series of neuroses, you you sure can talk about it well because the person's self-esteem will drop because they, uh, They fundamentally don't do things on their own because those habits So they 're there, I don't know, addicted to pornography, oh, addicted, some quick stimulation, diet food, no, right, because it's not perfect food. it's pseudo food it's pseudo food it's T food it's all fake and then as far as she is she's lost, you know, in bad habits and she doesn't accomplish anything so her

self-esteem will naturally drop because she doesn't have that sense that natural serotonin to have conquered of being who you are And and being proud of having the fullness of the soul of Tero of the soul and this will be an invitation, it seems to me, to things like narcissism, sometimes paradoxically, look at narcissism when you spoke about utilitarianism uhum, right, within one of the foundations of our times, narcissism fits into utilitarianism perfectly because if I can use you my Bel at my pleasure, you stop being a person and become a non-perfect object, I think of

all the people I have met to date, the people who hated this type of content the most, many were people who had tendencies and I studied to understand, at the very least, narcissists, at the very least, Narcissists is a very curious term because there are people who are obstinate in being angry at formation of virtues and they want all things to be leveled at the bottom except for their own esteem, that's a lot, it's almost a black hole, right, because you're sucking in all the I don't know if you observed anything, Guilherme, I agree with

your observation and say, but these people they are narcissists and critics, yes they are today, I think that in the world they are positioned in areas of Power, it is certainly as if they have the power to hypnotize, saying things that you say, I don't believe it, you are saying this, people don't listen, they don't reflect and I don't I know if it's because they scream, because they scream, I don't know that people talk like that, wow, this guy knows a lot, I say, people, he doesn't know anything, he's doing everything the other way around,

there's something that these oligarchic institutions in today's world use my my vision is segin it's simple So we have this enlightenment ideology of origin this creates an oligarchy which is a group of people in the Aristotelian classification people with power but without personal responsibility Without accountability which is a full plate for the worst people take power because if you have several ways to gain power in society and you are not going to be accountable then Eh you are In the mainstream media you influence a lot of people if those ideas go wrong you won't be

accountable there in the state or in the government You have a xy role in the government you D wrong end your mandate or or precisely Or you don't even have the mandate or whatever as it was put, you also won't be charged for that, in other words, you have several mechanisms Ah, the state literally prints money and can distribute money to so many Sources So you have several mechanisms for people to exercise Power Without being charged for it, that's what happens this is a dish full of people who have a tendency towards the Dark Triad

to obtain positions of power because they will basically manipulate others and they will use these mechanisms, right ? It's all in the same package, it varies, there's a hierarchy of evil, maybe that of evil, and Then what happens is that, paradoxically, the other movement is that whoever appears to stand out in virtue suffers the mechanism that René Gerard describes the scapegoat because then you now have this oligarchy that justifies itself with ideology to never act. So it creates shields to say no, I'm here in power for this reason, it's for the good of the world,

it's for Paradise on earth, parí on earth is not real and then it creates a shield and at the same time when any alternative appears Alternative of a person who wants to seek excellence and the problem with you wanting to seek excellence and propagate virtue is that you are acting against people's inclinations because Obviously Ah, so you're going to say well, improve your diet, cut it, start exercising , it's unpleasant in some aspects, it's uncomfortable, there are people who, when you say that, It's like I'm hitting them because they react, they feel aggressive, like, like

that, but because I ca n't, no, it's not that you can't, you can, but you want to improve, I always said that when I answered the phone, I said, look, medicine is that thing that puts out the fire, But if you don't redo the wiring, it will come back easily. you give the medicine and get rid of depression Deeply difficult is what I will do to stop depressing myself, give meaning and purpose to Life and do your part regardless of what the crowd is doing, the world is doing. I always said that, people looked at

me and said, you say some strange things. these are basic things yes you are talking about you are wanting to a certain extent to restore the person's basic health basic mental health eh So this dynamic that there are potions of power that will be occupied by these narcissists who will persecute people who wanted to propagate virtue and the people will take them as a scapegoat because there will be mass manipulation from this, for me this is Jesus Christ was a scapegoat, he was exactly a scapegoat, he was a great scapegoat and you see these trends

I see people talking about Jesus Jesus Jesus people, Jesus Christ was a scapegoat, he was hugely good and people spit and spit at him and and if you look at Cai, he is Caifas, he is a man of the 21st Century in the middle of the history of the Gospel, he Manipulates the masses, he creates a false narrative, he bribes someone to be able to betray him, right? Well, Barabbas was a revolutionary, almost no one knows, Barabbas was going to launch a revolt against the Roman Empire, and then you also have that exempt person who

is Pilate, which is what Wash your hands and say Look, this is not my problem, you who are here wanting to kill yourselves, I don't want to get involved, so you can't escape what I said until this PR, another podcast I had, I also found him these days, also Igor from Flow no yes yes Igor and then I said to Igor Igor here it is exactly and I said to Igor and you won't be able to escape the Man of Galilee so I said like this oh what do I say because anything you do you

put yourself inside and within the characters that are described there, you won't be able to escape this either you and or you will have that zeal to pursue or you wash your hands or you kneel down and accept that there are things that are out of your control and that goes for your whole life in na our life comes a time that people can also get discouraged Oh if there is so much crisis there is a Global crisis if I go There in San Francisco people are crazy I go there in Vancouver people are crazy

And I'm there in Paris and they are crazy we're talking about the centers most involved in the world comes to Rio and Rio and Rio has a I love showing a video of Rio in the 30s, right, Rio in the 30s looks more like Switzerland than Rio, right, that's beautiful and there was no crime, people took off their hats in the street, there is an American who recorded a video here and said, look here in Rio, men wearing hats, people, women, women in dresses, here on the beach, everyone takes off their hats on the street,

there is no crime. very rich people there you are looking here talking about people like that let me go back and the American is recording to talk about the river as a model for cities and for American cities as a great model and in fact if you watch a video of Rio from an30 New York 230 you prefer the I laugh a thousand times a thousand times I've certainly seen those little black and white videos you put the am I in many aspects prefer it until 2024 at least in natural beauty it's much less claustrophobic,

you know, but abstracting this side, look how crazy, right? of Urban decadence Plato correctly said that Urban decadence reflects deep down the decadence of people's Souls and if we do not emancipate ourselves from this factory of insanity that exists in the current world that they are really lying for people, people will have to look and say, they are lying to me And if we anticipate emancipating ourselves, we speak like that, no, I'm going to live another life, I'm going to live a life full of proposals, I'm going to assume my existential role, I'm going to

assume a vocation I will assume that I have a calling and that I am not simply cattle I am not simply a part of a gear and inert and I will assume this calling and yes there will be different consequences there will be people who will not like it there will be people who they will attack And that's right and life will have suffering and this suffering will be part of it and there will be a family member who will die and I will have to deal with that and there will be people who will

attack me that the game of life is the The game of life is the rules of life, I don't change and I will have things I want to do that I will have to give up and I will have Rewards that will have to be delayed and In the end, I will have to look at myself. this image of Rafael da Prudência that It's in the lady's opinion that prudence is, she looks, she has a screaming heart, she's very beautiful, right ? uh, prudence is the mother of the cardinal virtues, right in Greek philosophy, it's

the it's the pinnacle, right, because we say prudence, like it's caution, you want to be careful, but what they mean by prudence is deciding the right thing at the right time and accept the rules of the game accept the rules of the game So even with your heart screaming you maintain serenity you maintain peace and calm and then you look at yourself in old age so the modern world has this obsession that I want to be young forever I want to be eh Because you think well Youth is it's party And then I have fun

is the Friends generation we're all going to be having fun from 20 to 30 years old from 30 to 40 And then well those are exactly the phases of life that go set pretty much your whole career and all the things you're going to do then later You're going to find out that it wasn't a good idea to have spent 10 years diver just having fun wasn't a good idea in fact you should have fun at precisely the same time as you were doing things Ah productive, this is when a person then embraces this vocational

sense and forgets this side, life begins to deliver much more and it and yes I think there will be narcissists and psychopaths who go against it I think there will be people who will go into depression just that that person will be a principle of order in that environment, so it's not because chaos is around you that you have to be part of the Chaos, you can perfectly be part of the order, and you can even bring order to your environment within yours, my idea of ​​leadership is very of subsidiarity that is local sphere So

what I tell people is like this, look, Ah, there's no way to change Brazil, well, there are several things that could be done to change the country, yes, but often it's not within your reach or it's not within perfect immediate reach, but you are a doctor you can perfectly join with other doctors and improve that specific Medical Association you can improve your Hospital you can change your Hospital you can change your school you can set up a school you can change someone's Lawyers Association could elect someone in the OAB understood to reform the OAB I

don't know and improving things is you could change so many things just by following your own role within what is up to you, putting your life in order first, then your family and then your company and then getting together with other people of the same means to promote better values, that alone would be a huge change, so even if the country has this chaos, it starts to have these pockets of order, pockets of prosperity, prosperity in many aspects, but in the spiritual sense, I'm not talking about prosperity just about matter, matter because I think this

vision even of Prosperity Theology that comes here now is a slightly inverted vision, not because I don't think so. There is a point, right? I really think that entrepreneurship and the idea of ​​you prospering financially are important , I think they are fundamental things, I don't think it is It's bad for a person if they want to improve Their financial condition, I think it's actually quite natural, but you have to know for what purpose, you have to know for what purpose, and if you subordinate spiritual realities to a reality of material prosperity, what will happen?

you are deforming everything meaning of life because there are goods and there are things that as the soul deepens, they lose their relative importance if you get to PR I don't know Carlos Magnum and tell him look at the money he will look at you he doesn't even know what to do Saint Thomas, because they're going to look at you and say, man, I don't even know what to do with this, so I'm going to do what, in this case, dear, you're not going to conquer any new territory for me, in this case, Saint Thomas

says, there won't be any pages of Aristotle anymore that I will understand with this and there doesn't come a point that loses relative importance it's funny how much when you look at these Because it's not an absolute value it's a value always for something exactly money is a means for something exactly Aristotle says, right? the ultimate principle of economics is ecophilia is the love of home, in fact economics is that, Right ? subordinate to a home is when it is pure chrematistics which is Aristotle's word for wanting to make money and money for money money

for money and And especially He also talks about the idea of ​​you wanting to transform money and More money for money without ever producing creating something with that when that that simply the desire for the material it takes the person away from this love of home so there is an inversion of things now on the other hand also the person who talks like this oh really then money is a bad thing and I move away from it I'm not going to work I'm not going to save money that It's also a problem, it's another problem

because, deep down, it's going to be much better when the entrepreneur, the people have a vision, that's what I learned from teaching businesspeople at In Search of Truth, having contact with several businesspeople, fund managers, so people have a very wrong view of what Business Life is like, because when I say this, oh, why are you going to have the car? First thing, this has nothing to do with what It is. to do with that oh no because it's the status either It's for managing an organization of any nature as well as running a family, you

have to sacrifice all the time, you always have to go there and give a slap, it's quite funny, this phenomenon and they have their difficulties, but when you look at it well musk Steve Jobs, a figure like that in life, Steve Jobs spent like months at his house without furniture and he wasn't there and he had n't been able to stop to think about the furniture he had in the house . to put things forward, you're basically taking a little bit away from yourself every day, eh And you're always always trying to aim for something,

he's a great businessman, entrepreneur, businessman, in my head, he's that guy who starts the month owing a list of aaaa Well, it starts and he has to pay and he has to actually maybe about maybe not about maybe not about anything Maybe he Kills himself working Exactly, maybe he kills himself working and maybe what remains at the end of the day is something that he produced and that it will be delivered to people So, in fact, in professional life here there is an incredible book by a Spanish saint called Saint Zé Maria Escrivá called path,

so this book is very interesting because path is a book of meditation points and even it begins, right? the first point is to be useful, leave a wonderful trail, very good, they're just beatings, right, if you read the book, they're phrases, they're just phrases, and it's just beatings, and I lived through the Spanish Civil War, imagine guys, the priests They were all dead, and he ran away, something very interesting, and in this book, there's this idea very strong that work is a service work is a commitment it is something that has to be done with

love work is not it is not a privilege it is not comfort it is not slavery It is nothing like that Work is service it is sacrifice it is loving me deep down I love those people so I will do things the best I can because I'm trying to do things with the Spirit of service with the spirit of love so there's a little bit Of generosity there's a lot of generosity there's one there's that famous story of What are you doing, I'm laying stones stacked up what you're doing, I'm building a work Ah, what

are you doing, I'm building a Cedral Uhum, it's the same act, but this act has a totally different bias, depending on totally different values . generosity are in Genesis eh If you look, then Adam and Eve are expelled, right? And there are two consequences of their expulsion, which are the pains of childbirth and the sweat of work and the way I read this is the following is because childbirth and work are both most important things we have in this life because We create everything and produce everything from labor and birth because basically it is the

creation of life and everything we do is work so when he talks about labor pains and labor what is he doing what he is saying is not that we we are not going to do great things, that work is bad and that childbirth is bad, on the contrary, he is saying look, all the good things you are going to create will require Sacrifice now because the big difference is that before the fall and you would do these things without the sacrifice In other words, you would have children without the pains of childbirth and you would

work without the sweat of work without the consequences of work but now you will sacrifice to do these things because it is the nature of this fallen world of our evil inclinations but when you accept this sacrifice this This is the way back This is the way back That's the way back, that's the way it is, so Eh, fatherhood is pure sacrifice, a child will wake up at night and he'll scream, but he'll get sick, he'll give you a hard time, he'll give you I don't know what, but now there's someone outside of you even

if it depends on you and that he loves you and that you can deposit your love and that you are creating a life you are basically creating a life and the work is the same thing the work will be difficult and the next generation The new girl still doesn't understand this fact and they want work without without No this thing I don't want to have leadership we are subordinate there is a hierarchy in the universe in the perfect universe in the universe This is a universal law There is hierarchy gravity gravity As much as you

don't want it there is gravity I can't want to reach On the twentieth floor of a building they throw me thinking I'm going to fly, I don't I'm going to fly perfect, right, there are things, for example, we are Mortals That's a rule of this life, we're Mortals That's a rule of this life, eeeee, death is a reality, and work involves suffering, but it's suffering that will create things that will produce just like aaaa motherhood, fatherhood he will create things and people talk so much about men and women but in the end it's so simple,

right? Much of the masculine ideal is simply fatherhood and much of the feminine ideal is simply motherhood, at the end of the day, what do men look for A woman is a mother, not his mother but the mother of his children and what women look for in a man is the father of their children and the more people dig they will see these characteristics again and again because because it is natural because it's biological because it's basically it's simple human nature it doesn't stop being a job of building it doesn't stop being a job and

it 's funny because the work then when it loses that sense of sacrifice it becomes arrogant so the tower of babel the tower of babel Is this narcissistic work is this work eh that deep down is power instead of work Ah, it's going to fall at some point so today we have a great Tower of Babel in the West everyone sees that it's going to fall everyone notices some people notice it more others notice it less eh, there's us, szit noticed way back Richard Weaver who wrote a beautiful book called this consequence realized in 47

I said look beauty is over the Second World War the problems are just beginning you thought everything was resolved you are on the wrong path Eh you admired aul Huxley's new one a book from the 30s, it's going to be 100 years old and it's happening now ex it's totally updated it's totally updated everything that's there is happening a a brief footnote that Adley's grandfather who was Thomas Huxley was Including the person who he coined the term agnosticism he was the creator of modern agnosticism and uh and finally he had a group Actually to promote

a Progressive Lobby in C Thomas Huxley Oh there's even a statue of him in the Natural History Museum that finally It's a long story, I won't go into it now, but Adol Hux and Adol's brother was the creator of Unesco and was the president of the British eugenics society, which is something worrying to say the least, so AD, you were very knowledgeable about it. he was part of the environment that promoted these things, but anyway, and within an oligarchy within a very heavy oligarchy, but he, but he says that, right, that's the point, he, he,

ex, he was the strange one, calling that of the middle of him who was his environment but he was strange because he wanted I do n't know This is current so some people realize it but people realize that the Tower of Babel is going to fall our role Faced with the fall of the Tower of Babel it is not to despair about the fall the fall is inevitable it is part of the thing if you build something False she will have to fall because it's false it's like one you can't want to talk ah but

we But then we're going to have Economic Cris or there's going to be wars there's always been there's always been And there will be and and and there are things this war thing is interesting, right, because sosen too He says that war is always associated with an existential void, your lack of wanting to take care of your own country, I see a lot of this, I was in England, and then there was a meeting of leaders there in England, which is always very pleasant, but and then there were some English people anyway, they were a

bit obsessed with this idea of ​​war with China and war with China and I was thinking and I said that they are barbarians , right? now it's Muslim, it's causing confusion, England is full of economic problems, it's full of confusion, so I'm saying this, God in heaven, if they stopped worrying about China for a second, they started looking at London, you know, London, let's start with no let's not even talk about the whole of England, start London own London would already be so much better, so much better, eh, so no one is taking care of

their yard, right, no one Is taking care of their yard, people want to save the world but they are not So people in Brazil have the flag of Ukraine and the flag of Palestine of Israel or anything else , things that don't have a direct relationship with Brazilians at any level and that many people don't even understand the context that is, e.g. Contex comp, they are extremely complex contexts and they stop worrying about Rio de Janeiro with its family with things around around this is this leap The maturity that Aristotle talks about is largely for

you to assume this is for you to say look Eh Beauty the skull is a study everything is a study everything adds to the beauty I don't know what but calm down What is my responsibility what me, in the context that I was given, what Victor Frankle says, right, that in the circumstances that were given to me, that was what I had to do, what only I can do, it's up to me. Given my circumstances, there's what duty then when we talk of morality that then the virtue I mentioned has to do with this, it's

not just personal virtue, it's not just beauty, personal virtue is part of it. I'm going to start disciplining myself, perseverance, I'm going to Start doing all the business, but calm down, who am I? I make this family, this state, this is this situation, this company, so, hey, the guy who now has a healthier life, has a stable family, has a large company, and starts to look and say, hey, I'm going to take care of this neighborhood, here, of my children's education. children, I'm going to take over this fight and he's already in one heroic mode

even if he doesn't realize it and that's heroism I say well but that's heroism the guy didn't jump into the fire I don't know what he doesn't have is a person who is certainly more capable of a crisis happening we saw this crisis now in Rio Grande do Sul and you see the types of people who really save others and others who don't care I saw I remember I participated in a very curious experience which was Brumadinho I had in Brumadinho, right Brumadinho And then I I saw them politicians landing in a helicopter and getting

up and the firefighters there risking their lives and I said man, the heroes were there on the side and that and the people taking photos a lot of media Even dogs, right, who served the firefighters, well the dog was sometimes it was him I was more engaged in Helping people, right? That shocked me a lot, it was an experience that shocked me tremendously, right? And then, of course, I come back. The concept of a hero has to be revised, right ? also speak right, transforming everyday prose into heroic verse How cool And I think this

is one of the biggest challenges today of the biggest challenges today is you say man when am I going to transform my everyday prose my life into heroism eh I, I, came to a point where I have two companies, four children, now I have four , I have four, I had two when I started, I have four, I have two boys and two girls, right, so I have four children, two companies, and there's mine, there's there. My discipline has to show up in jitos training, you know? You have to appear in them, there are a

lot of things to read every day, you have to read every day, take an hour of reading, mine, the mantra I tell people about PR is an hour of prayer, an hour of exercise and an hour of reading every day. day and then I do a challenge with people, you know, until today no one has ever fulfilled it, no, no, it didn't, The joke I do is the following, well, if you put in those 3 hours for three months, and your life doesn't improve drastically, you You can come here, you can talk, send a message

and I will I'll stop saying this in public, don't worry, you show me that your life hasn't improved, you really did it, you got TR months, he did these TR hours every day, his life didn't improve, he talks about physical activity, one hour of exercise, prayer, one hour. of prayer an hour of reading every day reading I also think these 3 hours, right, that the guy starts by doing 45 minutes of each one that he starts with is a lot, 30 starts with 30 minutes, starts with 30 minutes, it's a lot if the person does

it all day is a lot, it's a lot reading is a lot of meditation the result turns the result comes I didn't receive it I never received feedback like this and it went wrong. In fact, at this point, thousands of people have already sent me messages saying that my life has changed completely practically every day. We don't read anymore, everything is social media, everything is stimulation, everything is something, popcorn, everything is something that I don't know what , because I have to know what, it's all crazy, everything is edonism, right ? went to a real

gym already Have you ever fought, done anything like that, it's a lot of exercise, people think it's not enough, I'm talking about a lifetime of exercise and it's one of the biggest health predictors of all things, almost everything in mental life, not just physical life, I'm absolutely sure of that. In fact, I'm talking to the person who has depression, I insisted a lot, I'm starting to exercise every day, I'm sure it will change a lot, and don't wait until you feel like it, go without wanting it, and then the result will appear. Will we, in

the end, Maybe you have to do almost everything without wanting to, you know? oh, start like this, start without the will because the problem is because at the end of the day these things we will always have no desire, no one wakes up one day and says I need to read a lot I need to meditate a lot, it's not like that, you know, deep down we have to get into a routine and start doing and reaping the results and reaping the results eee I eh I think that the person's mental health these three habits

that are not a psychological treatment per C Eh but I think that they will improve people's psyche in any way anyway way and in any way because you are working spirit Body and Soul right My head the three basic dimensions exactly my head is that you are the body so we come in the physical body and it cannot be neglected Ah we have the intellect and It has to be worked on as John Way said, right? Life is difficult , but it's harder if you're stupid. I loved it and intelligence can be developed . acquire

to improve tremendously so that It's part of certainty, eh, and finally, there's a spirit, there's an ultimate meaning to things, just by turning off your day and starting to reflect on what's happening, reconnecting with something higher will improve your life a lot, so it's already a spiritual training. It's a spiritual training, it's the guy, take this path that I said, start reading a point and meditate, I want to take it and I don't know, the rite, there's something important in the rite, right, today we lost a lot of rites So families aren't Having meals together

people will not obviously the mission on Sunday, although many people have started there, at least Brazil is going through a very large Catholic renaissance, and one thing that many people don't know is something that doesn't appear in the statistics because the statistics will pick up a lot of the Catholic so-called bge letting go of faith, so like the guy who was no longer a practitioner but there are very curious phenomena in Brazil, eh, Gilson, I don't know, at 3 in the morning he's praying in the rosary and there are 300,000 people, like, a crazy thing

like that, unimaginable, unimaginable very curious things that are happening in the world, 300,000 people at 3 in the morning, which is the most ungrateful time in the world of humanity, right, because four, you know, I don't know, I think it varies, right? It's absurd, right? Because stop to think, 3 in the morning there's nothing, you're okay, you should be sleeping, understand? And people are there in alarming quantities, so yes, there's a recurrent spiritual interest . Dallas student and Dallas it was a record number Of baptisms in the last year, 2024, of registered baptisms, like the

history of Dallas And so there is an awakening, I think this awakening has to do with the social and political crisis because people are seeing that it is not working, that the power for the power that the money for the money that for the pleasure for the pleasure are not getting there in fact this is the right ladder of Aristotle's nococo ethics that he asks, right, life for the power, the life excuses the life for the for the PR then life for money then life for honor and And then he concludes that none of the

three can fill the heart of man and and this ladder the modern man needs to get back on track he needs to rediscover This is lost wisdom because we throw it away we say no more Aristotle, no more Plato, no more of these wise men, no more Confucius, no more of these wise men who Confus was literally burned, right, his books in China, yes, people burned them, threw them away and so on . Eh, mcy says that after virtue, it's like If you did, you live in a world where you imagine a world, you know,

that's post-apocalyptic, zombie apocalypse, those things and we lost modern science We lost the capacity for computers We lost technology and so on, there are only fragments left, you have to find the fragments of that so you find a text there, for example, there was a drawing of the microphone here of the internal structure of the microphone but you don't understand it so well because you don't know, eh Wow, what is this electrical engineering like? So you're having to rebuild ours relationship with ethics it's the same it's the same it's the same thing this is the

world we found the fragments but we stopped living these things eh We no longer know what it 's like to experience a search for excellence education no longer knows what it is to educate a excellent person, imagine that he was a renaissance man, for example, so out of our imagination, the guy was a doctor and a painter and an engineer and I don't know what. We don't even know how they did that, exactly how the guy managed to have so much knowledge of so many areas of so many areas and it's a world there they

will talk Ah, because the knowledge was small, right, how small, try to draw, like try to assemble a helicopter here, even Leonardo doesn't know what they're talking about, understand, try to make The atlas of the human body, try to make the atlas of the human body like he did, I mean, yeah, yeah It's very arrogant to want to say that it's because they were limited that Leonardo of 20 was Leonardo of 20. So many others are very arrogant how many people can create sculpture as Michelangelo knows today and you see so many individuals like that

in the Renaissance world they had much less comfort, right Quite the opposite, right, that story, the famous scene, right, from the Warson Wells film where he says that Switzerland in a millennium of peace produced The Cuckoo Clock and Italy in 100 years of war had a renaissance, but it's a joke, but Yes, but it's funny because it was a period of a lot of conflict, a lot of tension, actually misfortune, maybe even comfort was one of the factors that weakened us. Without a doubt, there's this study by Jonathan Height, right, of young people, right? talks

a lot about he did the profile, right? Basically, he has two books, he has a book about the logical IDE profile of young people today and how this is associated with psychological difficulties and he did a study on exposure to Screens and media and something else and exactly at this conference In England he was at. This Jonathan H, I think he's from Harvard, I don't remember now exactly, he was presenting this, right, and it was very funny because I watched this relationship, for me there were things that were kind of obvious, so Jonathan H, he

is, oh he's not He wasn't even a very conservative guy and so on, but he said in particular he was very concerned about young progressive women who he said was group A which he defined as having a higher incidence of psychological problems, this had a lot to do with family structure, this had a lot to do with, and even affective, it has there are a series of explanations there that he gives in the study book that I'm not going to reproduce them all here now but one of the most curious things there in his study

when we are two studies is that you have people today in the world in the world, you know, they are alone and they are basically being created it's because of exposure to multiple media from a very young age, so there's no male father figure nearby, there's no positive male figure, look, what are some people who don't have any positive male figure around them, something like that, terrible and if you look at the media It goes having put so many negative men on so many things and then this person is being exposed to three four people

at the same time and then what will happen to this person well anxiety inconstancy aaa difficulty Of course it will be there because one of the things that naturally is a paternal figure behind is a sense of security so one of the father's roles is well exercised Of course when it is poorly exercised responsibility when it is poorly exercised then I a is the end, right? Because you think you have that figure that should be a safe haven and then it becomes the point of instability, that's the end of that, that's the origin, I think

that of several problems that the person may have, it would be a bad figure. paternal I talk about absence because it is also very common, it is literally very common, right today, we have, as you said, 50% of families in Brazil Patna have paternal absence, right, many children are cured by their grandparents, right? And then there is that dynamic lack, responsibility, lack, lack, but so this is the lack of knowledge also because many people can't take responsibility if they don't even know what they're doing What are the consequences Of what they do well? We need

to go back to studying the virtues, right, that's what we're saying, people have to find out again what the Virtues exist ​ ​As a result, it's too early, I imagine, right, even a little more, there isn't, people, sexually transmitted diseases are returning in a way that is unjustifiable, one of the strangest things I saw was once a study that talked about seen in pornography and reducing cent mass of the brain I was shocked by that Yes, I saw this study but it's shocking, it's shocking, but what do you mean the brain reduces, right? The thing

exactly, it decreases the mass of active neurons, I don't believe it, well, in a hypersexualized society, like the habit of prayer, it increases the activity of the frontal lobe, which is what makes we execute with more precision and more assertiveness so things are being revealed but people need to know this Because the studies are very curious how the studies actually point to things that the philosophers CL the fil talked about 2000 years ago right, exactly, I said that to someone, I was giving this talk at Stanford, right? And then there was this person who worked

with a lot of things . The best version of it will tell you what the Bible already told you 2000 years ago. You'll think it's broken in the best version because it depends on who's going to program it. It depends on who's going to program it. No, but that's the problem. It's not artificial intelligence it's who programs Artificial Intelligence perfect not perfect and he even said to me I I I will solve the demographic crisis we will create babies in a laboratory Total dystopia And then I told him Oh dystopia you said F Look, I

know another method to make babies I've already done four, I think it's still working, it's very effective Oh, and there are still people who create it immediately, different from this other method, I don't know who's going to raise these children, right? And then he Started laughing and said damn, I never thought of that. side he never had see He works with this he never had reflected thought about the consequences what I'm talking about and we're talking about Stanford exactly no it's not it's not the college around the corner Stanford he never had it Thinks I

have to think again yes yes in this case he has a son including, right he has one son, that the guy made by traditional methods made by traditional methods by traditional methods you, I met the guy's son later, but the point is that the point here is that certainly the studies are increasingly showing the importance of Health is how psychic health is associated to good habits That's it, it's direct ethics ultimately it's associated with ethics well the center of ethics is the is the pursuit of virtue and virtue are the habits that lead to good

it can't it's it's all interconnected No exactly I don't I can separate people from talking about politics, right? Talking about politics and so on, cutting ethics from politics is creating the problem. it's creating all kinds of neurosis, that's what's there, well, we live, that's what's there, you know, it's a consequence, it's a Consequence. If you look at one of the last sane people in Brazilian politics was Princess Isabel, that is, we have 200, we have good old 200. years there to almost 200 years of ours but ce 140 130 eh Princess Isabel she is a

person who when you read her letters about her business eh I even saw that she has a similar Our Lady there along with Isabel, who is closely associated with her , right ? slavery, and Isabel was the person who paid for it at the expense of her throne, because when she was deposed she said, right, you are taking revenge for slavery, he was someone she was worried about all the time, imagine growing up in a palace, she had This European education, all of this, she is extremely worried about the people in the city all the

time, you see in her letters she is worried about how people are going to do this, how people are going to do that. She lived her life and wanted to let go of herself to help these people. when you Get the last leaders, uh, what do we have in the west, right ? And then he was basically provoking oo that's clearly gratuitous, in that case, you know, there wasn't one, so it even invokes your experience, right, I even ask that what explains this because I was watching that video and you have a person who he

comes to in the room and he immediately turns around like that and he doesn't know seal or do, I don't know, seal, maybe that's it, he wants to seal it over the xinin like this, but that's the way it is, it's a head of state with everyone, exactly, there are people who will say ah, but the xinin is dangerous, exactly that's why he wanted to, that's exactly why he wanted or it's very strange because he feels validation in the fact of attacking someone who will clearly have negative consequences for His country or could be for

the planet for the planet for the world and then looking at that saying what he wants to satisfy What's the point, right? itself [Music] even an example of narcissist probably Bru Let's go to the reporter pipinho dear reporter pipim is a part here that we announce within the community sustainable human beings who are people who like knowledge will really like your words and we announce 15 days before that we will come to you bring them here so they go to their networks and search there and bring their doubts Okay so let's go, first Guilherme, how

do you see the importance of classical thought on political ideology to understand and question the political systems that we adopt today, yes, so I think that na num Aristotelian vision Aristotle would classify our government in Brazil as an oligarchy, a government that has a very large number of people with power and little responsibility and a remedy he would give would be to create a ranking system to promote mature men, something that classical thought would say It is reinstituting and reinstituting subsidiarity, returning to local spheres, to remove this Centralized power, in the end, it was better

to have strong local leaders instead of weak leaders, with very concentrated power, and without a doubt, in terms of aristotelians, he would talk about the importance of promoting monarchy in the figure of the leader who is the reference of the a, I don't know, the CEO of a company is the company's reference, you have to be prepared for this, you have to be prepared for this, he would talk about the importance of aristocracy, which It's a group of people of excellence in an imperious French people, he would talk about the importance of the republic, which

is exactly this local government and this system of rankings, so he would say that these three structures are important for the current system, as opposed to, uh, basically the three negative forms of government which are tyranny which is the government of one person to usurp reality for their own benefit oligarchy which is what I think our dominant system is and democracy which for him is the opposite of a republic one is a group but without preparation it is a consummate preparation and democracy for it is the opposite of republic for it is a pejorative term

that means government government of interest groups government Of everyone coming together to do their will Ah so a corrupt republic is a democracy a corrupt aristocracy is a oligarchy a corrupt monarchy is a tyranny so the first thing he would say is look Hey people should stop making this distinction they should now make this distinction again reintroduce these categories and go back to meditating on What structures produce better forms of leadership Brazil eh I would say that there is no hope without change, a political reform that reintroduces virtue as one of the ways for you

to be a leader. I cannot conceive the idea that you should have people who are not prepared. in leadership this had to be revised in the system drastically, right drastically next Bru in times of rapid social change What is the role of religion for those looking for a deeper meaning in life, good in terms of crisis, not only in times of crisis but religion always It was a necessary factor when the Roman Empire fell, and people rediscovered religion naturally because they looked and said, Look, we put Idols, we, we Put, and there was one, there's

that well-known pop song, and it's Pompeii, right, it's funny, I was listening to it. It's already playing on the radio, you know , this song is super well-known and it talks about and then there's an excerpt from the chorus that says where do we start, right? it's at the bottom here It's for when you're good when you're bad when any scenario is not just a crisis but I think times of crises are good for you to learn to look at what doesn't change deep down because religion is important today because Are you talking about values

​​that 2000 years ago were equal, you're talking about values ​​that 1000 years ago were equal and that 1000 years from now will have stability so I would say that everything that involves ah eternal things things that are not are not fashionable that are not perishable perishables are necessary terms of rapid change, in other words, how are you going to guide a world of mine, a fluid world, a world of stimuli, the world, I don't know, with permanent things, so eh, I think religion has to go back to the Man of Galilee, I think I think

you never ran away from him, I think he will always come back, I think you can try to run away from him at will, ex, and it's you running away from him, it's Jonas, right? So what's going to happen when you run away, you're going to end up in whale in the belly of the whale and you'll be taken back eh on the beaches of nin VII so there's no way to escape modern man thought he was going to escape he thought he said Oh no I'm going back to the beginning now and I think

Ache that I thought people found in us In the 90s, you know, people thought even when the Soviet Union fell that we were going to have peace, perpetual indefinite prosperity in all queer countries, to have a unified peaceful global community, it's all nonsense, it's all false, in fact, everyone is going to die, everyone. You see this spoiler, everyone is watching this podcast, you're going to die, and from Three Generations, no one will know who you are. No one will know who you are . after the Death is fulfilling your role, right? Bru Aristotle believed that

politics should focus on the common good and Civic virtue, how this idea can influence the modern political scenario, especially in a polarized context. Well, we have to find a way out of modern ideology. Enough about that, it 's gone wrong, we already know where it went wrong, we already know where it went wrong, that's not it and we have to go back to talking like this, look, let's create a method to select the best leaders and in the end we will be governed by nothing so forget the story of ah No, but it has a

system of incentives because speaking, print money and send it there and then it goes to the big media then man, let's all with Rational people start talking, it went wrong Enough No, I'm not and this point of the fight is interesting because I defend conversion and not fight for sure so I I eh I don't think of people who think differently from me politically or in other ways I don't think of them as enemies that I'm going to slaughter I think exactly as people to be converted transformed eh In the best sense of the word

and I prefer it and it's healthier and better for everyone to think yes than to think Ah, in terms of who will win this war, there will be no winner , war, at the end of the day, there are no victors. You understand, everyone is going to lose, exactly, how did it happen? It was Dilman who said, right, no one is going to win, no one is going to lose, everyone is going to lose. right, something like that no one will win everything I don't remember I don't remember the phrase but ending up that everyone

will lose and everyone will lose is a reality no ex in the scenario that we are in everyone will lose eh because the paradigm is wrong isn't it It's not just one, it's not the one Fighting is not just yes or no, so my bet is to appeal to Human Reason so that people think that it has already gone wrong and that there needs to be a paradigm shift, so I don't once, eh, every time I meet people who are angry with my ideas like that, there are people who are angry, right? My attitude, in

person, is basically talking to them and trying to understand, right? And when you start talking, you see that the person has practically formulated a false version of what were you imagining that I think It happens to many people, the person is not reacting to you, they are Reacting to a pre-prepared system in their head of everything they think of you, of beliefs that they think constitute them or you, you are threatening this perfect thing and deep down you get into this her neurosis is a bad idea so the way you should do it is jump

out of the frame and when you jump out of the frame you will see that she doesn't really know how to react so she's not that prepared PR out of that frame it's like If it were a politician, you're a bit maniacal It 's all kind of circular, it's all kind of around the same topics and Chesterton said that, you know, he's crazy and he's lost everything except logic, right ? Free other things and break the frame, take the person out of the bubble, don't go to war, right, don't go to war because then you'll

always go to war, we'll lose, everyone will lose, you, everyone will lose, And then you'll start to realize that by doing this, Eh you start to paradoxically start to win So you start to aa bring people to your side which is better or if it isn't it's also nothing Personal If it isn't also what happens is that reality will demonstrate which values ​​are better which are worse by pure nature for someone to say that to me ah reality imposes itself is reality imposes itself Without a doubt the truth imposes itself Without a doubt on its

own If someone can turn to me and say no, I think that physical exercise is useless danis So great, but reality will impose itself, it can and it's not the guy can Talking to me like that about virtue is absurd, I want it truth let's distribute Eh let's now distribute drugs to everyone alcoholic drink I don't know what good to do and the effect will be negative inevitably so the truth will turn turn turn turn for better or for worse it always comes so I'm just trying to anticipate what I understand What you're saying I

understand perfectly is that there are people who will only believe when the truth imposes itself in a way, even the smart way, the stupid man shouldn't drink and drive, well, you 'll find out this way, unfortunately, somehow you'll find out next Bru Why do you believe that ignoring our country's traditions can affect the purpose and sense Of direction of the new generations, good because basically tradition is what guides what you will do if you understand that Brazil has a vocation that it has a purpose that it has a calling that it is the country of

Isabel that it is the country of the order of Christ that was the founder from Brazil, right from the first navigations that Rio de Janeiro could be more Like Rio de Janeiro in the 30s and not like Rio de Janeiro is in 2024 chaotic chaotic if you that you know where you should go then the past guides you It's not that you're going to go back to the past, that doesn't make any sense, you're going to learn from it teachings that will guide you, I said, you don't have to be like your clay filter grandmother,

but you should learn from her what in her life it worked that it worked out that it worked out and learn to live this in this day and age, right? For example, being calmer, certainly people were much less so, because people were, they were serene and it was better for them, it was better for them, they lived longer and happier right, with those grandchildren like that, they wouldn't be consuming insane news on the Big Mia all day long which creates all that mental confusion, right? There's that too and we have to detox a lot from

that, most of them don't need it next Bru, how do you see the role of technology in behavior and on the values ​​of the new generations, technology can have a very destructive effect if it is not used well. I think that children should be introduced to technology relatively late. I am from the generation that had their first cell phone when they were 15 years old and I think that anything before that is It's pure insanity in my humble opinion I think you have to avoid exposure to my children I try to keep them away from

the screen I don't think it's a good idea and what will happen the more you expose the children technology without reading and without any other to the detriment other things they will become very dependent on the tiktok influencer of I don't know what and they will start to emulate habits that are not necessarily the most productive for their lives and this will frustrate them so first consequence they will become diabetic very quickly because there are influencers That they just eat all day well they eat all day they teach children how to make chocolate castles out

of cookies it's unbelievable well then you have promiscuity there you have it and the desire is even more serious sometimes than your diet and Promiscuity is having a desire to get disproportionate attention. I need to get the attention. Back to the thing about narcissism, but it's really bad. We're creating generations of narcissists. Well, whether they're going to be perverse or not, time will tell soon, but At the very least, it's teaching your child to want to be the center of attention, it's a terrible idea, so I think this is one of the most dangerous effects

now, who doesn't have that mind or who studies programming, who is an engineer who builds machines, that person Interestingly, it often has a positive relationship with technology because it is creating, producing, developing something, so honestly, take your son off TikTok and put him into programming, it's more interesting, learning, he can be much more useful, much more useful, he can become the new Elon musk, instead of being there all day at Elon, a creator, you know, a creator, I think that ultimately you Are a creator, it connects you to something greater, perfect, because at the end

of the day, everything you work on is a participation in Creation Divine ex exactly reproduces you somehow this beautiful ability to create, I think when human beings begin to create and they begin to be, in a certain way, proud of their creation, it is one of the most blessed things for me that there is, the wonder of F is the token that is the author of Anis said, right? That we created from Divine Creation, that we are sub-creators, right? We created from what was created, sub-creators, there's no problem, but that we can create wonderful you,

us, right, we from the next creation, Bru Guilherme, like you? sees the relationship between the lack of contact with wisdom classic and the challenges faced by Generation Z such as anxiety and depression, well we talked about this already but it's basically anxiety, depression and narcissism, I think it's a Triad that will be very influential for Generation Z as it is far from these virtues, okay? Generation Z is already formed like that, right? In the workplace, for the love of God, don't follow the generation's wishes Z There are those who give them stability stability always every

day routine the same thing to do eh Clear goals often with the z generation my perception is that you have to speak almost like a child you have to make it very clear Look, you will arrive at this time I will draw you will arrive at this time you will leave at this time you will earn so much you will work like this I think the clarity here will not be wasted with generation ze after a while you will be able to light up and because any very quick neither It's good, it's not that good,

anxiety and depression routine will help a lot if you put this routine in place it will start to help a lot for these two things I also believe in a world focused on quick results how philosophy can help leaders build an ethical and lasting legacy he said and I talked a lot about this alend in search of the truth I have 800 students who are the majority They are entrepreneurs who own cool companies and so many of them changed their company they changed their family they changed I don't know what so the company is already

bearing fruit, right? formally with one year of life in The structure at least current with the headquarters with all things Search for Truth is a year old is a year old and philosophy from scratch will make two is two everything very recent are babieso very recent are are babies are babies are are babies and and in search of the truth in this very little time Ah there are dozens of Witnesses of people saying like this oh I changed my life eh I changed my company so it works I see it working eh what you are

saying is when you seek to be a better human being in search of values ​​virtues practicing this is a consequence life improves naturally That's definitely it, you're saying it right, much better, you're saying it like this, test it, I'm saying it, test it and then it'll work out, you don't need to believe me, you don't need it exactly, you don't need to trust it, it's better than believing in me, do it exactly, you don't need to believe it. We don't need to have common truths but it's exactly what you do, just do it later and

you tell me if it's working, perfect, that's it. I often used this with my patients. You don't need to believe anything I'm saying, just do what I'm saying. speaking exactly it does And then after three months or you come here we tear up my diploma or you Recognize that something has improved and everything is fine then you'll say oh it was Bia no it wasn't Bia life is the rules of life I didn't invent any of this perfect perfect next ah come on we're here now At the moment, pipinho, pipinho is my son, right, this

happy brain is always laughing, he's from Rio, he insists like his mother and not abandon the land in the hope that it will be a great place, the eternal capital of Brazil, not in the hope that it will get better, it will get better, the eternal capital I love Rio de Janeiro it's the center of Brazil is Rio de Janeiro, nothing against Brasília but the capital is here, no, it was not always the golden years, what were the golden years ? posthumous you were born PST Maybe but it's good for me, okay, it's not wonderful

and there's a little game here which is the following pipinho send me a word he listened to your entire interview and according to that interview no excuse chat He throws a word what comes to your head, you don't need to think too much, yes, it's going to hit it like that, it hits it, exactly, if nothing comes, it's because he's kind of Polite, he won't ask you to say anything, happiness is happiness, I had said that it's a wrong translation, happiness is a consequence of the plenitude of the soul, this is very Aristotle, right, perfect,

perfect, a lot of people have to be precise, precise, if I could go back in time to talk to the philosopher, who would it be and why would I be between Saint Thomas Aquinas and Aristotle, then Saint Thomas Here I am also inclined to learn spiritual truths and theology, if I were a philosopher just for philosophy's sake, I would undoubtedly love to talk to Aristotle, even because of the mystery that he is such an ancient Thinker, but I would be somewhere between Saint Thomas and Aristotle, if it could be both of them, you together. two

then good and for them I think it would be incredible because for them entre el entre se they would choose each other in my arist I didn't know your Tomás obviously but I think they would choose each other mutually they would nominate each other, right three Complete the sentence humanity needs more of me there is one once someone commented on something that was eh the sentence only God can save, in this case it was the United States, right? But we can talk about Brazil, only God can save the United States, it can be taken in

several senses but in all of them they are true So this humanity needs God more, God, whatever sense that you take it doesn't matter whatever it is will be true four if you could change something in the world what would you change is I don't know if I would change I don't know if this is this curious thing because there is no way to change the nature of the world so I don't have the desire to give nature I would undoubtedly like to see the awakening of a new Education in the current era So today

I think that the Educational change would be more than more inclined to be now the nature of the world ah the world ends without evil these things don't exist it's like wishing the impossible knows deep down to desire a A world without evil would be to wish for a world without free will, which is an impossibility. We have to choose to do good, right? Otherwise, we won't do good . a video game character , he has no merit in his actions because he Is false, right? mission until a good death until a good death six

love the first thing I thought of was my wife a hug for her uhum What's her name Ana Clara Ana Clara beautiful the name is seven Complete the sentence family is the family is the center of our lives the heart of our lives is family and we will feel fulfilled as individuals within our family eight God God is the end of all things is to love God all things were the beginning and the end the alpha and the omega all things the I walk the truth, life and God is God simply is, right? It doesn't

fit No explanation Doesn't fit No explanation nine a longing ah wow since we talked so much about Rio de Janeiro in the 30s that I never experienced that I never lived but I miss him I could go back to Prina Isabel I miss him I never experienced it also great nostalgia including the they could both come back together It would be wonderful, they could, right, it's true, they were both here too, she was here, it burned down, including one of the palaces that she is trans with, because it's in Quinta da Boa Vista, ex, exactly,

it's being sent one day to us Go one day We're going to restore everything, we're going to come back with the houses like this is the dream and 10 you miss the Future, right? Surely, definitely revamping, well, it's very Augustinian, you miss things you didn't experience and you yearn for them in the future this is wonderful This is a feeling that I have felt since I was very little Missing what I am going to experience and 10 to finish a sentence a thought whatever you want, whether it's yours or not, it's an idea, I think

it's Central, right? It's just that today we we see like a mirror in the future we will see how we are seen right Eh eh today all things seem sometimes confusing to us we have this fog of war of this world and this world with difficulties with things but we have the hairs numbered we we have a vocation a mission and at the end of things this will reveal itself or is it possible to reveal itself during So this is a very good question and you will never have as much clarity about what your mission

on Earth was as you will after death, I understand. but during land the more you dive into the be the more you delve into your mission in what you don't know, The more you follow the path of the Stones, the signs of what Your Calling is, the clearer it will become. little of what is eternity here on earth has this book by Token that he uses this metaphor of himself as a painter of a leaf and He painted few leaves of what is a tree that he will see in eternal life but at the same

time he is obsessed with painting these leaves on this tree and I think this analogy is very beautiful, perfect dear, I wish you would now look at that camera there and give all your messages, you need not even look at me, it could be rude No, no, my messages are brief, anyone who wants to share my work, my Instagram, Guilherme fcl Freire, my YouTube, Guilherme Freire, and the main part of my material is on filosofi do zero.com.br, which is exactly our platform that people mentioned it and In Search of Truth it is by invitation that

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