Cliffe Knechtle Saved My Life | EP. 62

If you're not going to shoot the messenger don't compliment the messenger go straight to God I often think about the donkey that Jesus rode into Jerusalem if the donkey would have thought wow they're really excited to see me that's saying the way to heaven is by being a good person no false wa they pull out a gun on you guys I feel sorry for them what a ganger line bro ritual Can be mindless empty and meaningless how can I explain to somebody that you're never going to be perfect but yet you're still going to be

good enough to go to heaven how do I teach a man to believe that when I can't believe myself you bet good question George I'm just fight only way it's not often I sit down with somebody and they say something that makes me think you give me something to think about way had a lot of fun on this Interview good evening you guys know that you guys are my first reoccurring guests yeah and I and I specifically wanted you guys to be my recurring guest because you guys are my favorite episode I've ever had on

the George jenko show and I don't care if a guest's watching this and their feelings are hurt too bad thank you for welcoming us into your home this is thank you so much like a Hallmark movie you guys live in a Hallmark movie and by the way um I don't know if you we could cut this if you don't want me to say this but um steuart's daughter is the spoilers little girl I was like what do you guys do here for fun me goes oh she rides her ponies and I was like I sorry

what you mean Pony right and he goes no no ponies and he goes sweetheart which one do you want she goes I want the brown one no it was it was very very cute I'm actually going to uh I recorded you guys Just like letting her ride around and you're holding her and he's holding the horse and it was I'm jealous I I want that life and if you don't give me that life you're giving me the ring back which by the way you guys were hearing Wedding Bells the last time we were here congrats

uh thank you thank you um before we get started I just wanted to say thank you to both of you guys uh not only did you guys give us such an incredible episode last time but uh I I Would call Cliff at just like the craziest time of ours like I'm just reading this man and it's not making sense or if I would be debating somebody I'm like I'm calling the big guns Siri call Cliff I would just uh so I really appreciate you you privilege how was how was everything guys how how have you

guys been awesome Stuart's behaving very very well we had great got many spankings as a kid Mississippi State University last week and he did a great Job so how how is the touring how what what do you how do you guys like decide where you guys are going to go it's mainly the organizations that invite us so we usually ask for at least two student organizations to invite us and if we get those invites and they got a lot of energy especially and they're going to consistently be out there every day of the week then

we'll go but gosh this last big university Mississippi State so Bible Belt and we usually don't Go to Bible belts cuz always wants to go you can explain it it's just the Deep you know deep south big schools usually where everybody's a Christian some of those are more cultural Christians though and so some pastors will try and like talk them out of their cultural Christianity but this one we saw so many I mean hundreds not thousands of strong strong Believers and they're so pumped to really change their school their County they're you know there's a

whole State for Christ which was amazing so it's really that energy behind it and if we have those organizations it makes it way easier so UNC Chapel Hill is the next one and that'll be way more secular supposedly we might get stoned there like stepen so somebody said that but I think it'll be good there's a lot of more secular liberalism there that makes that push which is what you love you love the edginess how does it feel right so you just came from a School where yeah everybody is very excited to be on this

path to to change things around them and then how do you prepare yourself to go into a school where you feel like you know you're probably going to get rejected you're not going to get positive you know feedback how how does that feel you get nervous oh we're always nervous yeah because uh we are fully aware of the fact that we don't convert anybody that's the Holy Spirit who does that so Our responsibility is to be faithful and to communicate as clearly as we can as reasonably as we can in a way that connects with

people there was something I never talked to you about and anytime I would give you a compliment every time I would give you compliment it felt like it was it was like an Uninvited compliment from you were the only person I've ever complimented was like I'm done complimenting this gu he is so uncomfortable I'll be like I said one Compliment cuz I truly this is how I painted it and I said this to him this is a very very elaborate com compliment because I thought about it it wasn't just like I just gave it to

him uh I'm sitting and looking at the stars and I see some stars are brighter than some right but they're still all beautiful just some are just a tad bit brighter and I told them I go I believe in the eyes of God when he looks down I think you're the brighter one because of what You do and like how passionate you are and he just looked at me goes okay thank you and I was just like I sat there and I prayed about it I was like there's a reason why he doesn't accept my

compliments fully I could feel like you just don't want to take the pride with it and then I thought about it you truly walk around thinking you're you're just the messenger like you're not you you don't you don't want to take any of the uh the glory the glory yes perfectly Said like that's right you don't want to take any GL and your action show like for real it shows and it it changed the way that I behave so when people compliment me now I go if you're not gonna comp if you're not going to

shoot the messenger don't compliment the messenger go straight to God so thank you for opening up my eyes with that I often think about the donkey that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday can you imagine with all those people waving The Palms and throwing the garments in front of Jesus who was on the donkey if the donkey would have thought wow they're really excited to see me wow well I don't want to be that donkey yeah that's so I I I I wanted to ask cuz she said how does it feel going into a

place where you might not be wanted have you guys ever been to a place where your your life's in danger speaking the word Of God because B and I were just talking about how Canada is putting this like restriction is like almost a law now they're going to be putting it in that you're not allowed to freely speak out about your faith uh in in a certain way where they could say oh you're demeaning somebody else's so they're trying to make that a law I see that going in a very dangerous place right um have

you guys ever been in a place where you're like hey let's let's talk about Jesus But like not too loud I what I've seen when I was three through six or seven years old Berkeley was the most intense so write out where you guys are really and whenever I go visit my wife in San Francisco her family rather she lives with me but whenever I'm out there I try and go and step on Berkeley's campus and have a few spiritual conversations you know we don't set up shop but some type of conversation and a lot

high percentage Of the football team are Believers but they shared with me that the culture around them is so antithetical and just angry at God so that was the time that I felt in danger I would say I know I know there's been a couple fake guns that people brought out and they just jum get jumped on by security obviously immediately wait they pull out a gun on you guys yeah a fake gun yeah yeah how do you feel about that I feel sorry for them what a Bro you John Whit BR you have no

idea what you just did how do you hand how do you deescalate these situations you guys just walk away you let somebody else deal with it we just keep going ignore it because a lot of it is a lot of it's acting a lot of it is uh putting on a mask an image so we just ignore it and keep going wow that's Brave the annoying thing though is when Christians come out and they say we have the exact way that You have to share your faith and it's either one-on-one very quiet or it's very

sensitive you never debate I heard this line from a Christian which didn't really make any sense at all she said hey look we need to agree with a non-believer in every kind of way before we have any type of discussion and I said well we do some debating because we don't try and what we believe is to True tolerance our culture is I think is totally misunderstanding what true Tolerance is what we believe it is is being able to dis with ideas but always loving the person so attacking those ideas but never attacking the person

and so it's so unfortunate when we have some of those Christians come out and say hey Cliff you need to be speaking in this kind of way not this and it's more than than one it's not a ton you guys just pack up and leave or no we just keep going the only group that shut us down Is the LG btq group that didn't even know what we were sharing they probably thought we were just firing Brimstone Prett out there and they came out and I remember feeling this feeling of it was one of my

first years doing this with you I felt guilt like what are we doing out here are they right there was 35 of them and they literally just got in the middle of our discussion with somebody and so I remember walking away from that feeling defeated but you wrote you know You quickly got to my emotions in a powerful way just saying no we're not going to let the gospel be completely unhinged by a certain angry group of people know we're going to keep keep fighting for Christ it's not about us so don't get insecure Stuart

allow this just to roll off your back so I really appreciated that it helped I love you guys relationship yeah truly you guys are so sweet and it's amazing how you know close you guys are you guys are not Just you know Father and Son but you guys have a real friendship which is so beautiful to see and to be able to work alongside one another and live next to one another you know like that's a really beautiful thing to have appreciate that I uh I have we have like two hours right Reed because we

we actually we like you guys are far from the airport let's just put it that way so we got like we calculated that to like make sure we get so I want to just Get right into it so we don't waste any time cuz to be honest every minute here is so precious and uh this is for them for me I have your number I'll call you whenever I need uh but I kind of wanted to bring up some things that uh that we talked about because it sits in my mind a lot and I

realize that Christianity and also any other religion is just a bunch of people trying to find their cre Creator and they're trying to Understand their creator so you it's so funny the more and more I fell in love with Christ and the more I stepped closer to him is the more tolerance I have for everyone it's so weird because the closer I get to Christ the more garbage I feel as a human being so when somebody else stops closer to me and I used to look at them be like buddy buddy hey you got to

clean it up like I'll look at them be like it's not even that bad like you know like like the the Separation between me and you is is like nothing compared to like me God so right so there was one I was debating with this gentleman and my God I love his passion I love his passion even when we challenge each other he's if I challenge his his his theologic like standpoint and his viewpoints on the gospel like he's never offended he's so thirsty to see like is he carrying something that I should learn but

we've been going back on two things one is uh the speaking in Tongue I want to like I I want to learn from you guys right because in the gospel talks about speaking in tongue uh so many times and uh but there's so many different versions of tongue that people see it as I I want to know what do you guys think tongue in the gospel is Acts chapter 2 the day of Pentecost there were a lot of people who spoke different languages and all of a Sudden the Apostle Peter stood stood up and communicated

the gospel and the Holy Spirit gave the apostles the gift of tongues meaning by that they were able to speak in languages that they had never spoken before in they had never learned and the Holy Spirit gave them the ability to speak those language to communicate the gospel amen the second use of tongues is in 1 Corinthians uh speaking in tongues is in a language that nobody knows it's a Unknown language but there must be an interpreter there so the Holy Spirit comes Upon a person they speak in an unknown language that nobody knows a

message from the Holy Spirit and then there has to be Paul writes an interpreter so it just can't just be gibberish but it it sounds like gibberish at first but then an interpreter steps in and interprets and who is so that is a thing okay go ahead and who is The Interpreter and how can they understand the gibberish that is being said right it's the Holy Spirit who enables both the speaker of the tongue and The Interpreter to communicate the message and if there's a breakdown there Paul says watch out that's not from the Holy

Spirit my only concern is this like I I oh sorry I didn't mean to flick that spider towards you it just came at me and I had no idea what to do sorry I'm so sorry I didn't know what to do Spiders here I just uh I thought you could handle it um thanks for that compliment so sorry uh okay so I asked them I go why do you need to speak in tongue right cuz when I saw the scripture I read that and it made sense fire Came From Heaven into their mouths for them

to speak in different languages that makes sense right because if Jesus came down and he's like hey I need you to go talk to my people his people are all over the world so my mind is tongues Different tongues Let me Give an example when I think of this I think of when people can't speak my language my dialect because their tongue cannot bend to the way I talk because they didn't practice for years how to say or anything like that right I just said like a weird food by the way just like or like

uh shaki or like things that like you're like you can't even like a white guy like chakaki like there's no way his tongue can mend because he Doesn't practice my dialect so in my mind I go okay they have the the the power of tongues for they them to speak French Italian all this stuff immediately so he could so they could get the gospel out that makes sense to me but the Babbling part doesn't make sense to me so I want to I want to go over that part because he told me uh yeah you

need it because like for example when you're speaking to the holy spirit in Tong and by the way they his Version is they could just break out at any moment and Just sh and to me that's like a little disrespectful to the gospel I I think right and so when I see that I go why do you need to do that and his answer was so the devil can't understand your plans with God and right there that fired off a signal and I told him I go buddy you could hear my message the devil could

hear my message and all of his friends could hear the message because if I'm talking to God I could Care less what the devil's listening to because if I'm talking to God he's going to Bow willing or non- willing like it's not his chance or choice to interfere with my relationship with Christ right but you say that there is a a version where they're speaking in like gibberish and that other man translates interprets so if his word is forever and always right it's Jesus is the same is their tongue going on now have you guys

witnessed this with your own eyes have You guys ever spoken in tongue I've never spoken in tongues but we see people at our church speak in tongues over somebody especially if they're suffering and it's one of the more powerful things I've ever seen really because there's some type of access they have to the Holy Spirit right out of Acts chapter 2 that you see that you think wow if they were directly just speaking in English or Spanish whatever it might be there's there's Something less powerful there so I don't want to make it a gimmick

I don't want to make it a type of oh you know this is how we work towards God because it's all about me and my ability with tongues I don't want to make it that way but I have certainly seen the tears flow I've certainly seen this level of depth that that you don't typically get with with your own tongue well I don't get it so I okay I'm going to put myself as an example not to talk about myself but Just because I only watched myself grow up uh I've had a relationship with God

in a very very young age I would go at like like third or second grade there was a church right next to my house and I would sit in the field and just talk to God as a child but I never spoke in tongue I never had the ability to speak in tongue I meet gentlemen like you guys that have Faithfully worked for Christ never spoke in tongue so why is it that I should even believe that another man Is speaking in tongue like how do I and and how do I translate that and how

do I not get angry at that that just it irritates me because like how can I look to my neighbor and try to convince him that Christ exists and I and no disrespect when I say this to anybody who believes in tongue but like I'm like yeah Christ exists he could be there for you read the gospel speak back to you and then I have a guy over here going and I'm like bro like How do I and I and no disrespect no disrespect I mean this sincerely like this guy looks like he's going off

the rails like he's not mentally there and then I'm trying to explain to this person that you should take my Bible seriously how do I how do I even bridge this if myself I don't believe in this you know what Ian mhm how do I how do I be a good Christian boy just keep focusing on Christ keep challenging people to read the gospels for Themselves you and I as thinking human beings owe it to ourselves to read Matthew Mark Luke and John which are the historical eyewitness accounts of how Jesus lived taught died and

rose from the dead and then ask is Jesus trustworthy does the evidence point to his reliability his credibility or does it not and the other stuff you you're going to have to just keep going how come Jesus never spoke about tongue good question Jesus didn't spoke about didn't Speak about a lot of things remember the gospels are selective accounts of what Jesus spoke about yes and John writes at the end of his gospel if I was to record everything that Jesus said and did there wouldn't be enough pages to fill it but okay question isn't

that a a level of like blessings I'll give you an ex when my when somebody brings that theory up to me there's not enough paper on Earth to write his blessings my thought process is the piece of paper that You're holding is a blessing the fact that you even have that piece of paper and it came from a tree that he gave to you is a blessing I think that there's nothing you could touch see feel hear without his grace right that so that's what I think that verse means I just I guess that one's

just hard for me to like digest I don't know like it is hard George it's very hard is that bad of me does that make me wicked no it's hard for me what's really Embarrassing for me is when I'm about to start the open air and some well-meaning Christian comes up and says Cliff do you have the gift and I used to be able to say yeah I'm single I got the gift of s you're proud of that one I'm glad I don't have that gift but uh I know what they're referring to and they're

basically asking me do you speak in tongues and I say no I'm sorry I don't have that gift and they say oh I'm so sorry to hear that and I say well now if What you're communicating to me now is that I'm missing God's best because I don't speak in tongues let me tell you something I'm about to speak out here in front of these students why don't you take my place because you're supposedly closer to God than I am yeah and all of a sudden there's some quick backpedaling oh no no no no no

that's not what I meant okay it's the Holy Spirit who gives gifts one of those gifts is evangelism another is Administration Another is serving another is encouragement and one happens to be the gift of speaking in tongues and the gift of interpretation it's the Holy Spirit who decides who gets what gifts I don't decide and if the Holy Spirit wants to give you that gift I'm going to thank him in Matthew 6 too you get great answer what's that you don't get jealous oh speaking in Tong just being honest bro like he's talking the Holy

Spirit talk right like I I I kind of flex on People when I'm like I'm Aramaic and they're like what's that mean I'm like watch Passion of the Christ and they're like I don't need subtitles like you know mean that's a little flex but like I would get so jealous right right okay I'm so sorry go ahead please and MTH no no that that's a good point we could get jealous of any type of spiritual gift easily y so what I see in the gospel of Matthew you have that fascinating point on prayer where you're

supposed to go Into your closet and pray to your father who is unseen but then Jesus speaks ill of the type of Prayer Warriors who are on the street corner babbling and it's really interesting if you get into the Greek there what babbling means it means just talking at God and trying to impress Men by doing so so what I've had to do unfortunately I had to go in and break up a little Inner Circle where there was a bunch of people really upset with one person who came in and said you Have to have

the spiritual gift of speaking in tongu in order to be saved so not just to be spiritually mature but you're literally not going to heaven if you don't have it that's against the gospel right but that's kind of the negative side of it we see I think in prayer as well as the gift of tongues where you have to be so careful with it right so what do you know about the baptism of the holy spirit because that's something that God brought up um When you know George's friend was talking about speaking in tongues they're

saying that in order to gain the gift and gain that communication with God that you know there's a baptism but then there's the baptism of the Holy Spirit and then that comes you know from the firmament and him blessing you with like this fire in your Holy Spirit and giving you the gift of are are you talking about the scripture where it says You must be baptized with the water And the spirit are you talking about the verse are you talking about did somebody bring this up to you I'm speaking about what the person you

were talking of that speaks in tongues remember when they prayed over us and they said that in order to gain the gift it was just a prayer and then it was the baptism of the Holy Spirit may I may I interrupt you here too yes pleas uh this is this is actually interesting cuz I know that is it might be Disrespectful but I'm going to be vulnerable and honest because I I'm vulnerable and honest with the gentleman that I argue with uh not argue debate kindly with um once they told me about this and the

other thing I'm about to bring up afterwards I kind of not lost respect but put my guards up I'm not going to listen to this guy because it gets scary because when when I hear somebody kind of tiptoeing in a direction that I think might be led by Lucifer I tend to shut my ears because it freaks me out but the same guy that we're now understanding might be on the path of true righteousness and I might have been wrongfully judging his Spirit man is different is different when him and his loved one the the

girl that he's with uh prayed over Bell and you could speak this but it I saw it in her eyes it was different it was I'm actually kind of getting Goosebumps Goosebumps all over my body it was they they they Prayed over us and it was it felt like such a deep powerful prayer and it was actually all he it is sorry I cry every podcast now oh my god um but it was actually that night I'm so sorry it's all right good you're good yeah I love how passionate she is great no I like

I know that you see this as a bad thing but like it's such a blessing that you're able to show this deep of yourself on camera it's a Talent it's really I like I can't talk about God without cry but um um no it was it was that night after that prayer that like I had my I feel like my first true encounter like with Jesus and I felt like before that time you know I was I had a relationship with God and I knew God and I and I did my best to lead my

life with the the Lord and you know walk in that path and you know what I mean and but then but I was missing this um I was missing that feeling you know I Was missing that true connection with Jesus that feeling that I felt like George had or the feeling that I felt like they had you know there was that something special about them that I was like wow there's something about you that is just so different and I and I pray that I could feel that and it was after that prayer and that

night that George and I got into a conversation got into a personal conversation that you know I I was feeling guilty about a Certain person in my life that I felt like I wasn't forgiving and so we kind of had that conversation and and then I went upstairs and I had a prayer with God and and I prayed with all my heart you know for him to Give Me Faith for him to heal that relationship for him to give me that forgiveness and it felt like the most truest most powerful prayer that I've ever had

and after that moment I just remember cuz i' had been crying so Much and I had makeup all over my face and I was like okay you know what I need to go wash my face and so then I went to the sink and I and I washed my face and then this voice inside my head and I didn't even know that you could like I didn't know you could you know baptize yourself or anything like that and and I'm already I was already baptized when I was younger but and I was at the sink

and I was hearing something in my head tell me that towards the end okay wash Your face and rinse it three times and when you rinse it three times you know say and the son the father and the Holy Spirit and I rinsed my face three times with those words and afterwards it was I just can't even explain it it was like this it felt like I'd just been cleaned like I'd been you know what I mean I'd been blessed like with this with like the literally like a fire in my Holy Spirit and I

felt just so at Peace and then I came back downstairs and George and I were having conversation in the balcony and it was in that moment I don't know why that when we were talking about Jesus is like I it clicked like I finally truly understood what Jesus did for us what that meant and the sacrifice that it meant and what a gift it is for us and it was like I just couldn't even believe it like that feeling that that had been missing for so long it's like Had finally clicked inside of me and

I never felt my Holy Spirit feel so much more on fire than in that moment and I just yeah I just you know fell to my knees and and thanked him and and ever since then it's like my walk with the Lord has been so different is it possible that uh their prayers over her was like the in a basketball term like a layup for her when she rinsed her face like because it was right after so and man there these These two couples I wish I could say their name but I I I want

to keep it private because they are they they are in the industry and the way they handle their business I don't want to I feel like it's unfair for me to just go and speak about things that they do personally these guys are just like at a whole different level of like interacting with God and when they were done praying she went upstairs and That's when she had that interaction or she wash her faces um to piggyback off of what she's saying is her baptism more looked at from God in that moment where she surrendered

herself to her Lord actually and instead of her as a baby where she like as a baby doesn't know what she's doing is is there something there like how how do you guys think this interaction um might have been tough question to ask I know but like I just wanted to know your guys' what do You think so we believe in Believers baptism where wait till it's your decision to do it rather than just the sprinkling we totally respect those who go about the sprinkling but I totally agree it I think it's all about your

once you make that decision and it's not just saying hey I'm going to do this for you it's back to speaking in tongues which is I'm going to do this in such a way where I'm propping myself up it's not really about the holy spirit it's Not really about Christ but it's me becoming more spiritual so so the the definition when it comes to Believers baptism and that surrender it is saying Holy Spirit fill me I'm tired of just living with my flesh which flesh the definition is pride so for me it comes down to

that point point of bell I I love that you what's so beautiful about your experience there is often times I'll encounter people who say oh this Incredible emotional connection with God and the tears just started flowing and I don't I can't explain it but how you brought yours right to the Cross is just a tremendous thing that I know we're jealous about we've talked about this many times where we're all up here when it comes to our faith and trying to get it down here through worship and prayer is so difficult you're probably like speak

your speak to yourself here St and and so so it's a matter I think of Connecting those two that's why Paul talks about in Ephesians Open the Eyes of My Heart and that's exactly what you're doing when it comes to getting prayed over and saying wow Jesus died on the cross for my sins that changes everything and my favorite Russian author who might be the best author of all time doeski had a very similar experience like he was all in his head and he said God does not exist he goes into this church in Russia

and he falls To his knees because he's literally staring at this cross for over 3 hours and starting to realize the sacrifice that Christ made for me and so it wasn't this head connection where it was like oh yeah I'm going to weigh the evidence and then decide based off the intellectual side of the theological argument no it was it was the head but it was also the heart of finally understanding that sacrifice that Christ made wow and yeah you put it in such a In such a good way and it was that it was

before it was all in my head I'm trying to understand it trying to capture it trying to really you know what I mean like understand it but it was is that night that I realized it was just it's that feeling on the inside that you miss you know and so yeah it's such a good way of putting it w three quick points first point is when a person accepts Christ that's the work of the Holy Spirit and when you put your Faith in Christ I think John 3 which you referred to earlier George about being

born again and born from the by the spirit and the water the Holy Spirit baptizes you you're baptized with the Holy Spirit when you put your faith in Christ all right second point is you had an experience a beautiful experience the challenge is not to make that experience normative for everybody I think it's beautiful the way you washed your face Three times in the name of the Father the Son the Holy Spirit fantastic and then you had some incredible profound experience and that's beautiful and that's real and that's genuine that's fantastic the challenge is when

when well-meaning Christians make that normative and say okay now if you're really going to get to know Christ you're going to have that experience that I had see God God is so big and we're so unique as personalities that we Each relate to God a little differently and to expect that everyone's going to have my experience or your experience or his experience is a little naive so keep going keep trusting in Christ keep growing in him and God will bless you thank good neat to hear thank you It's Tricky though because it's a placebo sometimes

not to shoot anybody's like feelings down but we got to remember that there's Different Spirits out there mhm so how can I not be a foolish man I I'll give myself as an example um if we're speaking about baptism there's something i' I've never really shared with anybody uh besides Belle and my mom I took a picture in a video of this cuz I was like just blown away by this cuz you know there's sometimes that God shakes you just to like really like make sure you understand and this is one that I I just

can't unsee um it was Baptism my mom baptized me when I was a when I was a baby and I grew up and I'm reading the scripture and I see that baptism from my point of view and I'm starting to realize I got to be careful how much of my point of view I share because so many people now are watching and I don't want them to just run with what I'm saying because I I have a podcast so I'm just talking about things I'm passionate about not things I'm fully educated about it's a day-by-day

Thing I'm learning one day I'll be sitting here being so passionate about a thing and then next I'm like oo I learned I got to move on from that and that's dangerous because I I don't want to push somebody else that watched one episode in a different direction um but that's why I didn't want to bring this up but I want to bring this up because I just wanted to get your guys's opinion but I sat there and I looked at the scripture and from my point of view a Baptism is an A miror version

because Jesus does this a lot right he he he sets up it it it's Old Testament sets up Jesus for the New Testament uh uh a blessing here would would show up here and and it's just it's a married reflection right and when I looked at baptism I saw in marriage it's a proposal so like a covenant with your wife is the same Covenant that you're making with God I promise that I am one with you am I Seeing that portion correct yes or no I just okay so this frightened me to my core because

my mom is like you're not getting re-baptized she goes do not disrespect the Holy Spirit you're not getting reapz so now I'm the Scripture it says honor your mother's teachings listen to what she's saying and don't forget them and then I'm looking and reminds you like my Assyrian church I do have disagreements with them for some reason When I'm there and I see their passion that they break when it comes just to the the um it call it's kabana in in my language I don't know what it is what's the body of Christ the Eucharist

Eucharist the way they do it is they sit for like 5 hours and they pray over it while everybody's sleeping at home and then when like the the way they worship is just so passionate and so true and so Orthodox that I don't even want to argue with them because I'm like who am I to Argue with this priest that's been studying for so long and but I have some disagreements and one of them was the baptism thing so I'm sitting as a grown man now thinking that like I have to make my decisions because

I can't just run with what everybody else is saying right and I told my mom I go Mom I don't think that God's going to honor that baptism and she's like well you need to figure this out and I we talk to you about it and I'm sitting there I'm Crying I'm in Saudi Arabia like just and and I start having a panic attack because something was happening in Saudi that we had to have like protection around us and in my mind I go man like what if God forbid something did happen today and I

was wrong about my baptism and in my mind I think you need to be baptized before I go and meet Christ so I'm like am I being foolish I'm like I'm a grown man like and I start panicking and so much so that I I literally can't Breathe I don't know if you've ever been like if anybody's like claustrophobic but if you have a panic attack it's like your breaths are like really short and they're not going in so I excused myself from everybody and I went and I took a shower for two hours I'm

in the shower and I'm just praying and I'm crying and I'm praying and I'm crying and and I'm like I don't know what to do should I just go get baptized and just forget what my mother is saying but I also Don't want to break her heart and think that I'm like going against her what if God forbid she's right and I disrespect the Holy Spirit and I'm like oh my God like I'd rather you break my bones than I ever disrespect the spirit so I'm literally just sitting there sobbing and sobbing and sobbing and

I'm screaming out I go God just please let this water be a baptism if I'm wrong I don't want to disrespect my mom and I don't I don't know what I'm doing here I don't know What I'm doing all of a sudden three times in my head I hear this is finished and then I'm like what does that even mean and then I remembered that when Jesus said this is finished all the the the bricks fell from the temples in The Passion of the Christ movie I don't know if it happened in real life or

in the scripture but I remember that the the the the the just bricks which is just break down so I turned off the water and I was Thinking about it being finished and everything breaking and behind me it was a beautiful marble tiles in in the shower and they all started crumbling and falling down in front of me so I'm looking at this and I'm like oh my God was this my baptism like I just don't even know so okay this is my experience the reason I don't share this experience is because what if it's

just a bunch of baloney and I go and I tell another gentleman and he's like okay now I got to go cry in a shower and like wash myself so where do you as a person who's passionate and see God working in his life what what is okay to share with your neighbor versus maybe you should keep that one to yourself and let that be between you and God because I'm scared that I'm so in search of Christ that I'm listening to all spirits and that could get dangerous especially if I have a microphone and

I'm speaking to other people about it I know that was a Long thing but it's something that was just weighing on my chest I always see testing the spirits and particularly the devil as what CS Lewis talked about if you're looking for the devil under every Bush you're going to get tested in a way that's unhealthy but then what we do in the US is we don't look for the devil at all and we don't test the spirits because we don't believe the devil Really exists and so testing the spirits is so crucial like you're

saying because it gets us right back to what what scripture truly says and so the book of Galatians is tied in so often so we just countered at University of Northern Florida a big group came out and said you have to be baptized in order to get to heaven I got a little intense with a guy you kind of called off the dogs and I appreciated that CU I let him talk for a long time and he was really Interrupting with a lot of the other love to see you guys angry I would love it

I love to see we need a George little repentance we have to go repent so anyway the book of Galatians is so crucial because it literally what is so explain that book first so just in case there's a listener out there he doesn't understand even what that book is because remember the Bible for those of you guys that don't know is not one book it's many books it's a library all in One book exactly so the book of Galatians Paul is writing and he's attacking the judaizers and how they are setting up all different types

of laws Commandments you have to be circumcised in order to get to heaven and so he coming in saying no it's by Christ that you have freedom in order to truly get to heaven and so that's why I love your illustration so much when you have it is finished that's where we get Christ on the cross and so that it is finished Piece shows that it was him that did it and so based off of his grace we don't have to work our way to God because God has worked his way to us and every

other religion other than Christianity says you have to work your way to God but what you just said I I thought that wall crumbling down basically shows God was speaking in in such a way saying no there's nothing you can do whether it's baptism or anything else to get to me ultimately it's by me that I get to you And so Paul has to dope slat Peter even at one point in Galatians saying that no you're you're basically falling into to the judaizers this this Israelite understanding of you have to be saved through circumcision through

laws they're very they're very um Traditions yeah and and that and that's the problem that I have with the church that I go to but again it's like I go well I don't think you guys should do that but then the next day I learn in The Bible I'm like all right like for example the tongue thing right like I've learned the closer I am to God the stupider I am like so I just really I'm just it's so funny because in the beginning of the podcast I'm like and now I'm just like oh I

should really be quiet and like just try to figure this out before I speak about it but let's let's take back right so me in the shower I'm having my moment with Christ okay Timothy now when he was writing Letters or when Paul sent Timothy to go correct people he was correcting people because they were putting their feelings into God's work right and that's a problem the one thing that Humanity always does is want to send a human being to finish God's work and so I just don't want to be that guy how do we

get to a place where we like stick to the gospel and we don't put our feelings in she washed her face I was in a shower you had your guys' own thing okay well If I'm a new Christian how I can't listen to all of you guys you guys all sound like you're crazy this guy's babbling over here this girl's crying and washing her face he's breaking down tablets in a bathroom like you we look ludicrous we look dumb and so I don't want us to reflect God in a bad way H how do we

preach baptism correctly how do we uh because in my mind the best form of preaching is by action how do I show them my fruits if I'm not even Certain my fruits are even ready to be like eaten yet like I I I am very very scared of leading somebody down a wrong path and I'm also scared of joining new churches because they might be doing what I'm doing where they think that they're close to God and they understand God at a different frequency like where is the is the line where God's like no no

no follow this this only okay I love your desire to not go down a wrong path to test the spirits And the way we do that is by reading the scriptures we have that very clear the challenge is many issues are not addressed directly by the scriptures and that's where we have to pray for wisdom that's where we have to surrender to the Holy Spirit now when a lot a lot of people say to me Cliff it doesn't matter what I believe I just want to be a good person that's a religion that's saying the

way to heaven is by being a good person no false Jesus bled and died on The cross to pay the penalty for our wrongdoing to forgive us and to give us a gift forgiveness in eternal life so the person who says it doesn't matter what you believe just be a good person they're preaching a religion it's a religion of works it's a religion of hear the rules if you do a good enough job following them you'll make it to heaven to Nirvana and Jesus says no you'll never make it on your own you're in desperate

need of my help and that's Why humility is so important because in order to say help I've got to acknowledge I don't have it all together I need your help right so that is crucial then secondly you read the Bible as you guys are doing as we're trying to do and say Lord Jesus speak to me and whatever you tell me to do I want to do it now here's where this is really hard for us living in our culture self-denial is an attack on a culture of Self assertion and we live in a culture

of self assertion I choose I Define I tell you what's right for me I tell you what's right for you whatever Jesus says if anyone would come after me he must deny himself or herself pick up their cross and follow me so the challenge as I see it is to die to my sinful nature the part of me that would say it's going to be my way and you better do it my way no no no it's going to be Christ's way God's way and I'm going to die to that Part of me that would

assert and assert and assert Cliffs W Cliffs W Cliffs way cliffs in control cliffs in control cliffs in control I've got to die to that part and say no Lord Jesus you're in control now when it comes to the baptism issue George I think the scriptures for me are pretty clear you need to be baptized after you've put your faith in Christ it's called Believers baptism and that's cool and and that's good but like you I was Baptized as an infant for me it was a Presbyterian Church okay did you redo it yes I happened

to redo it because as I read the scriptures it seemed to me to be pretty clear that no you had you didn't know what was going on Cliff when you were a little baby and you were baptized in the did somebody baptize you yeah well sprinkled you know they sprinkled water on babies they didn't put me under I'd have probably drowned no I'm talking about as an adult I was An adult absolutely I was put under the water and brought back up and steuart and I baptized people and it's a privil to do that who

has the authority to baptize because anybody so there's a lot of churches that disagree with you that's right and that's because they put so much emphasis on the tradition that they've turned the tradition into a Biblical position okay so let's talk about um I keep forgetting you have notes there Um this is gonna sorry I just got to make sure I word this right so I don't disrespect anybody some Churches have um basic like uh no it's okay it's okay no no no please we want that foot we see that foot coming up no no

I'd rather break my legs than I do that uh some Churches I'll give mine as an example my church is like they have um they have like it's more of an orthodox they they have like rankings where uh You know they have like a pope or a bishop or and so but I'm reading and there was a scripture that I read and it it I just wanted to talk to you guys about this some Churches have rankings where they're like okay this is the one who baptizes this is the one that does the exorcism this

is the one who marries this is the one who preaches this is the one that writes the letters to everyone else um when Jesus Took two of his disciples up to meet Moses and Jacob Moses elah Elijah I'm sorry that's why I knew Jacob was wrong Elijah um they started freaking out and they were like we're going to bring we're going to build a church here we're going to you know all the stuff and Jesus like chill out but when he comes down this is the verse that's very important for me uh he said that

the other disciples and this is this is this is pretty wild he goes They were giving each other regulations he's the one that's going to baptize he's the one that's going to do this and Jesus says no no no no no is that him kind of shutting down the whole ranking system like is is that shouldn't that kind of take down the whole like Pope idea and all that stuff because my theory is this I feel like everybody wants a man man to finish the job when I think that it should just be the holy

spirit so I don't think it Should be one man that's ordained to marry somebody or baptize somebody because in my mind how does the man in a different country that doesn't have that gentleman there to baptize him how could he get baptized by his neighbor how do I how do I learn about this first and then preach this the correct way stick with the scriptures the scriptures do not answer the question specifically who's allowed to baptize Who's allowed to give communion who's supposed to be preaching who's supposed to be reading writing the church government who

says though the Bible doesn't say but didn't Timothy go to churches to rebuke them because they were adding rules like that like for example like the the churches were like kind of they were I don't know how to even put this I feel like they were bringing like the laws of their Jewish like Behavior back into Christianity and That's what Stuart explained the book of Galatians was addressed to Jewish Christians who were looking into the faces of Gentile Christians and saying to them in order to be a real Christian you got to be a Jew

you got to be circumcised you got to eat kosher you got to keep all those Jewish laws and Paul comes on like a ton of bricks in the book of Galatians and says no it's by faith in Christ trust in him and then yes because you trust in Him you'll obey him now when it comes to Timothy Paul Paul is writing to Timothy who's pastoring in Ephesus and the challenge there is not the judaizers who are saying you got to be a Jew in order to be a real follower of Christ instead gnosticism is being

taught in Ephesus explain what that is gnosticism is the idea your body is second rate your spirit is really really good the god of Genesis who creates the material world bad God bad God because he creates the Material the physical the physical is evil the spiritual is good no the Bible teaches both the physical and the spiritual is good see in gnosticism sex could be oh man just do whatever you want to cuz the body's insignificant or be totally celibate because the body's insignificant no no no no the Bible says sex is a wonderful gift

from God to be enjoyed within the context of a covenant the word you used earlier okay so the physical is important but so is the Spiritual and in Ephesus the gnostics were teaching oh no no no it doesn't matter what you do with your body do whatever you want to it doesn't matter it's the spirit that's really crucial and Paul says no no no false sex bringing children babies into the world is good and then in 1 Corinthians 15 what he says is and guess what in heaven you're not going to be a disembodied Spirit

floating around you're going to have a resurrection body an imperishable Body a spiritual body notice he always uses the word body the same body or a different body not not same in terms of this but yes you will be able to recognize me and I'll be able to recognize you okay my second thing uh that the gentleman who was speaking in tongue uh brought up was uh he he's very and okay by the way this is the one where I was like the tongue thing babbling that was already kind of like out the window for

me I was like this Guy's nuts and then the second thing was uh looking for signs that to me he he kept bringing up um Gideon and he was like look in the scripture and I and I and I I paused them I go that's Old Testament you can't use Old Testament philosophy because Jesus hasn't come because Jesus changed a lot of things um seeking for signs to me could be very very dangerous because he's always like okay if this happens Lord then I'll go and do this but in my mind I'm like if I'm

the enemy and I just heard you say that out loud I'm like bet you want this to move and then now you're going to go in this direction now you're a puppet to me now anything you say I'm going to just get in between you I think that's a great way that the devil could use to interfere then I go into the gospel and it says cursed are the ones who looked for signs and I'm like this is amazing this is literally pointing out in the direction that I'm thinking and I I keep Reading and

he says uh instead of asking for signs you should ask for signs that I were already given to you but you're basically too dumb to even see you should reveal the ones that I've already given to you so now I've changed my prayers like instead of me going like God I want this I'm like God there's things going around in my life that I haven't even appreciated yet or there's signs that you've already been showing me that I Haven't seen yet have me be wise enough to see those how do I one am I wrong

about the signs thing and then two if I am WR about it how do I gently push my fellow Christian man to stop asking the universe or the surroundings for science it's a great question you go first I'll go second well so when scripture says that not even Jesus knows the day or hour how is that possible exactly no no but how is that if he's God's all knowing right he so he's man and God he Limits himself exactly so I think that's the limitation where he's just man because obviously he had to eat while

he was here on Earth he had to do many humanly things he wasn't just doing magic tricks left and right and so if Jesus didn't even know the T hour how I mean obviously we're not going to know the day or hour so when I see the Billboards all over the place that are saying he's returning at this exact date you think well they've been wrong a Million times for one and two again if Jesus doesn't know we don't know so I think that's fascinating that you went to Cursed is the man who looks for

signs has to be exactly because Revelation does talk about look for signs obviously as well and my my whole thing is look there's a certain White Horse that's coming to judge and so I'm more concerned about what does judgment look like and am I am I a real believer or not it's terrifying for me rather than You know a liberal Pastor who said to me not long ago the Book of Revelation is all about love just all about love and good feelings and literally the other guy who was on the podium with me we started

laughing we we literally started laughing not nothing is the scariest part of the Bible right exactly but I think it you know around here I don't know about in California what are the ones for you guys but we get all the time oh 911 was judgment and clearly That's pointing that's a clear sign orud the pandemic clearly like exactly it's a judgment it's a sign that God certainly is coming back very soon so you get that question a lot how remind me how do you answer that question again was 911 God's judgment I do not

know no you favorite George we could open some conspiracies up right now but you brought up the classic illustration there Gideon that is one of the most misinterpreted passages in the Bible for Me oh Cliff I'm just going to put out a fleece meaning by that I'm going to look for a sign I'm going to test God and then if the fleece is drenched with water and the ground is dry around it h sign for God or if the ground is drenched with water and the fleece is dry oh that's a sign go back and

read that account of Gideon God told Gideon get off your butt get an army together and kick the midianites out of Israel and Gideon's Going are you really telling me to do this I think I need a sign in other words I think I need a sign for Gideon was not a statement of faith it was a statement of doubt I'm not sure that I should really do what you're telling me to do so I need you to prove it beyond the slightest doubt that this is what you're calling me to do so here's the

fleece tomorrow morning I want the fleece drenched in the dry ground the next morning I want the ground dry and The fleece drench and so that was a sign of Doubt on Gideon's part that was not a sign of Faith so be careful about the signs oh cuz then you're showing God that your heart's now fully in faith and fully in belief when I brought this up to you on the phone you you brought up a great uh response as well you said um the devil tested Jesus yep and the first thing he said is

you shall not test God we asked for signs we're testing God So even Jesus himself didn't ask for signs and that's why the statement God prove yourself scientifically to me and then I will believe in you is so dishonest first point is God's a spiritual being so there's no scientific proof or disproof for God and then the second point is it's incredibly manipulative if a guy looks a woman in the face says you say you love me I don't believe you unless you have sex with me that's Manipulation no I need to allow a woman

to reveal her love from me as she chooses not as I demand well if that's true between a woman and me how much more true it is between God and me for me to say God in order for me to believe you got to do X Y and Z that's manipulation that's not me being humble and open to God I think a big part too is God allows doubt and it almost seems like he encourages it at times you see job for example doubting a bunch and God Allows it it's not like he starts bashing

him over the head but then at the very end of the book of job he's saying all right it's time to start trusting me more and then eventually blesses him I think that blessing is probably tied to the faith but he let him doubt and then for habach for example habach was so rude to God God didn't judge him he allowed him and then said well things are actually about to get a lot worse habach but then they Will get better or for when my uncle's seven-year-old daughter died in a horrific car accident his favorite

Psalm was Psalm 88 and it closes with death is my only friend get away from me God and Psalm 39 is very very similar and it's David just being tremendously sacriligious and you think God should Smite this guy and yet God allows it or it's the disciples in the boat you know Jesus is asleep and they're freaking out and saying wake up Christ well he Doesn't come out and Bash them and say you right now you need to be believing instead he gently says where is your faith and so he says you have faith and

you're doubting he said what little faith you guys have yeah exactly but but in the Greek there he's saying pull it out he's not saying you have no faith he's say so he's not bashing them he's saying simply pull it out and start believing so I find it so interesting that God again wouldn't say just have Faith and that faith will get you into heaven instead it's no I understand your humanness I understand that you're going to doubt and every time you sin you're doubting in some kind of way but learn to trust me more

and have that relationship with me cuz so I'm sorry cuz wouldn't it be too easy right to to say well okay God show me like Show Me A Sign show me that you're real and then he would just show you a sign and you're like okay because then you wouldn't put Faith I think you yeah you wouldn't put the work in your relationship right you wouldn't put that all the effort that we put into learning about God learning about Jesus understanding what you know he does for us and how we should and could please him

right right and then and that it's it's almost um how can I put this it's almost like the greatest way of showing your love for someone right is that even though you can't see it you can't feel it you might not you Know be able to understand it all the time you love him so much that you believe in all your heart which is what I wanted to say to you Bill that was precious as George pointed out the way you shared your experience and how the Holy Spirit really came alive and fire inside now

remember Mother Teresa had that when she was a teenager and then it left and she writes about she wrote about it in her Diaries and I was very upset with some of the magazines after Her passing that said see she really didn't believe that's baloney that's total baloney she definitely believed she had a profound spiritual experience as a young lady and then as she got older some of those feelings changed and they left and she doubted well that's exactly what the psalmist does it's exactly what steuart was just talking about so I don't know what

the holy spirit's going to do for you bell all right I praise God and I thank him for The experience you had hold tight to it but don't get too upset when your feelings change over the coming years cuz sometimes I feel very close to God and other times it's God where are you 100% And you know and I think too I've I've really experienced that in this last year where I realized that you know when I feel the most at peace when I feel the most close to God is when you know I'm in

his word and I'm and I'm learning from him and I'm reading his Word and then you know human so I go you know I I go oh yeah tomorrow morning I'll wake up and I'll I'll start my day with with the Bible and I don't and and then a few days go by and I'm further and further and further and further away and and I find myself then I I get further and further away from that feeling and then all of a sudden you know I'll read something or I'll spend some time with him and

I'll learn something that'll give me that flicker Again and then it's like all of a sudden I feel that peace and that love again and it's like all you want to do is is share with people and like love on other people right so i' I've noticed that difference and then I think that through that it's made me understand how important it is to have that practice and to make sure that I'm always you know brushing up and and learning and and spending that time you know and I think the parallel is we for appreciate

The importance of physical exercise that's a discipline and that discipline leads to us being fairly trim fairly in shape speak for yourself well spiritual dis disciplines are very similar I love the way you point it out reading the Bible every day that's crucial that's a spiritual discipline reading the Bible every day is not the way to go to heaven that's just another rule no but the reason we read the Bible every day is to hear from God God that's that's what I want I want to know you better I want to hear from you because

there are a lot of difficult issues in life and I can't figure them all out give me wisdom so I'm going to position myself to open up my heart to read your word so that then you can speak to me more clearly right yeah do you love your son this guy yeah sure do it's just neurochemicals firing though it's not real love you know what if he just looked at me he's Like he's all right yeah I love the living daylight out of this guy and my two other Sons I love them to pieces and

you talk to them a lot yes because you love them yes people say they don't want to read the Bible I I I say truly I know this might sound judgmental I you don't love God cuz it's impossible bro if God forbid my dad ever passed away and I pray that it's far far far from now and I pray for his protection and his health Same with my mother my God if he left me notes I don't care if I read it 100 times yeah I would read it over and over again very well put

because I want to hear his voice and I miss him mhm so when people are like Oh I'm a Christian and I just all right bro a lot of people call themselves a lot of things yep uh sorry that man anytime I think about my dad going uh that's beautiful the one thing um speaking of crime I'll just I'm just Going to put it out there there was one time I called you sobbing I don't know if you remember this I do I do remember that and I was shaking and I was so scared because

when I started this podcast I did it like on a short very short notice like the day that I shot my first episode me and Reed were like we got to do this now we got to go grab cameras and I didn't really see the future in it I didn't know where it was going and then in in in public people Would come up to me and just be like oh I love your videos they're really funny um and now people are coming up to me in in a very very different way a very very

different way and I feel like I'm not worth it they'll come up to me and they'll be like they'll say very meaningful things and when they're saying that I was the one that pushed them there all I kept hearing was like I'm a fraud bro like you guys are seeing me something I'm so different because I'm doing things that are so far from God and and I called Cliff one day and I was just sobbing on the phone I go bro I'm a fraud I'm ashamed of myself like I keep trying to push people in

the right directions that I'm trying to go towards but I'm failing myself at it and they're looking at me like I'm killing it and and then I start realizing that my God am I am I even going to go to heaven am I even forgiven because I I I know that I shouldn't be doing some of these Things and yet I I get so exhausted trying not to do them I'll fall and I'll I'll pick myself back up and and I just I sometimes want to literally take my flesh and rip it from me because

I just feel like this is the only thing that's holding me back is like why are these desires here and and and and I have these desires I can't fight these desires what do I do with these desires and and I I it's just this version of me that I want to be but then there's this Real version of me that I'm very scared of putting in front of God and so like it gets overwhelming and now I understand why people don't even want to talk to God because it's it's in a mountain that it's

like impossible to climb and and even if I do climb and it's like I really want to be climbing that mountain right now and I really don't even want to be here right now and I'm lying to you if I say that I want to be here and and I'm just forgive me cuz I am trying to stop swearing but I'm full of and I'm and and I am a garbage human being and I am nowhere near what these people that are on the street are are shaking my hand and and be oh yeah I'm

not that guy I'm going want to be I want to be that guy and you told me a verse that like Clifford saved my life like I can't even tell you all many times I can't even tell you how many times like I wouldn't even want to open up my Bible cuz I feel like I feel like I'm uh like I'm the Pharisee like I'm the guy that one God sees he's like yo you love me with your lips but you're so far away from me with your heart and then you read me a letter

that Paul wrote that he was talking to God and how he says that he can't wait for death so he could separate himself from flesh how can I explain to somebody that you're never going to be Perfect you're always going to fail God but yet you're still going to be good enough to go to heaven that I understand I understand the term of good news now because like good news you're a piece of garbage yet you're still able to come here MH how do I teach a man to believe that when I can't even believe

it myself you bet good question George I'd like you to read Romans chapter 7 where the Apostle Paul says the good that I want to do I Don't do the evil that I don't want to do I do Wretched Man that I am who will deliver me from this body of death thanks be to God through Jesus Christ Where's the Line where's the line you see so many people that are there's a there's a certain person that goes well God made me this way and I'm still going to love God and then you have guy

that goes like me like oh I know I shouldn't be doing that oh and I don't do it but when no one's looking I do it sometimes Okay so we we've been given the spiritual discipline first of all you repent repentance is not whitewashing and saying oh I didn't do anything wrong repentance is not blaming H it's their fault repentance is not self-pity oh gosh I'm just a loser I'm no good and just drowning myself in self-pity and repentance is not self- flatulation beat up on Cliff cuz he's such a loser repentance is God has

made me in his image I've made some irresponsible Decisions Lord Jesus please forgive me now I've got to accept that forgiveness which means I am not going to follow an idol that says perfect Cliff perfect Cliff you've got to be perfect in order to make it to Heaven if that's true I'm not going to heaven because I'm not perfect all right I have to accept Christ's forgiveness and if I don't accept Christ's forgiveness what I'm doing is I'm worshiping an idol whose Approval means more to me than God's approval George God approves of you Bill

God approves of you when you ask him for forgiveness you are forgiven and that is what makes the cross so significant because that's where Christ paid the penalty for the garbage in my life in your life in his life and offers us a gift that we do not deserve I am not good enough to go to heaven I am not good enough to go to heaven cuz I'm like you I'm a wretch inside I got some Really warped motives Ambitions and I'm real glad there's no picture of my fantasy life up on right the screen

right now I'd be horribly embarrassed okay so I'm not good enough but Christ is good enough I need him and I trust in him and when someone comes off with well that's really simplistic and trait oh no no no no when I realize that someone died for me Everything Changes in here now I still have bad habits but no no no no my desire as your desire is is to Obey him to honor him he died for you man what more could someone do for you and when you trust in him then you begin to

want to obey him as Lord but that's a lifelong process and if I die in road rage I'm not going to hell because I died committing a sin and getting road rage no CU my going to heaven is not because I'm good enough my going to heaven is because Christ is good enough he did it on the cross for me my faith is in in Him and if I die losing it on the road with road rage that's wrong but I am still going to heaven because of what Christ did for me and my faith

is in him does that make sense yeah yes but and not to like ask more questions but I just I really want to like really understand fully we have a man like you that yeah you're touring this world teaching and preaching and I find it so fascinating you just started glowing in front of me like Start you just got so bright no so many times if the sun wasn't there you would give an answer and the sun came so many times not that we're looking for [Laughter] signs but um okay so there's a gentleman like

you you know like and you you're preaching and you're chasing God when the doors are closed and the doors are open and then you have a man like me that's out of podcast speaking about Christ And old enough to know better young enough to be stupid and like I fail a lot and then we have another man who doesn't even talk about God doesn't preach about God but let's just say this man loves God just as much as we do but he gets drunk every night because he is sorry I have conversations with people and

I just remember them and maybe his parents did something to him or whatever but he runs away he escapes through alcohol or weed or drugs Or yep any type of these type of situations and his Beginnings were a lot different he loves God with all his heart but he doesn't read his Bible he doesn't go out and preach he gets messed up every day but he feels bad about it he's not happy about it yep how does that man get to heaven because shouldn't we look at him be like bro you shouldn't be there if

you love God if you loved God you'd be able to get out of that situation by using his word by using This the discipline and like when I would read comments of people like why is he swearing and then I cut swearing and then I realized like I just did an episode with John Bellion and I dropped the f bomb like so many times I'm looking back at it I'm like bro what's wrong with you like there's so many things that I I want to control but I can't control because of habits but then I

look at it like okay that's just swearing but what about the man who's Addicted to drugs and he's destroying his Temple and like where is the fine line between you're going to heaven and you're not going to heaven where is it where where is the line that I could help somebody no that's the whole Romans 7 piece where if it's the top Rabbi this world has ever seen Paul and he is he was the head of the church with Peter if he says the things I want to do I don't and the things I don't

want to do I do that's got to give us some kind of pass Right he's the Dr Jackal and Mr Hyde one passage George that you may really like I was teaching it to a group of men right out here and it was Matthew 7 and at one point says unless your righteousness outdoes that of the Pharisees you will not go to heaven two guys literally stood up and walked out the door yeah could you repeat that yeah if your righteousness unless your righteousness outdoes that of the Pharisees you will not be saved and Could

you break that down for somebody who has no idea what that means exactly so the Pharisees were known to tithe a lot of money yeah the Pharisees were known to keep the letter of the law better than anybody else so they were known to be the purest form of people so you would say up no no porn no alcohol they're going to heaven of course yeah but then on the inside of the cup Jesus says they completely your father's the devil he says that one time I said that To my brother and I don't know

why my dad was kind of offended by that all right that was a weak weak joke right there that was a dad joke all right I was like heard what you said I just was like what did your bro do thought what did your bro do bro so anyway anyway these guys stand up literally walk out I'm like guys that that's a little much C can we just like finish this meeting together and they said no that's absurd Our righteousness is not going to outdo that of the Pharisees the Pharisees were known they didn't even

know their Bibles but they knew their the Pharisees that they were the top dogs ethically and I kind of chased him and I said hold on here you got to read the next verses because that's always what people make the mistake of they see one vers like never read a Bible verse that's one of my favorite sayings never read a Bible verse cuz you have to read multiple Context or you're going to get screwed up any idea how dangerous that is people would be like I could do all things that CHR through strengthens me so

I'm going to just go and kill it in the Bitcoin industry I'm like what are you talking about BR that has nothing to do with what he's talking about so it's very very dangerous to like read one thing and then just run with it which by the way we want to do that right we want that fortune cook you like oh we're good Here okay so please continue like what are you what were you going to sure sure so so the verses later couple verses down it says but thanks be to God because he saves

us and so Jesus Christ is the one who saves us if you just go a few verses down and they didn't let me get there they just said up screw you buddy yeah this is ridiculous I'm not going to be able to be good enough and it sounds kind of like your last guest I haven't seen the full podcast yet but From what you've said and some that I know about him Jordan Peterson Jordan Peterson yeah sorry about that guys sorry about that lot of people are upset me so when I hear I've only heard

him say it once that's not true I've heard him say it many times but I I don't follow a lot of his stuff I just don't I I don't get it but I'm also going to see him live and not too far oh with the wrestle with the God Tour yes exactly and one of our buddies quasa buddies is Actually on that panel that he's had but it's interesting that he has him on because he understands Grace that guy um and his name is Oz Guinness Guinness actually the beer came from him and his family

oddly enough but the whole piece is when Peterson says something like it's terrifying to be a Christian cuz I would have to live a perfect life in order to get to heaven and I can't do that consistently and he'll start crying but he'll be crying for the wrong Reasons it's like bro you don't have to live a perfect life and he stops there and I'll say look at the evidence of the Resurrection because you only become a Christian through the evidence of the Resurrection because that's the Lynch pin and he says no I can't go

there and I've been told by somebody who's in the industry that he doesn't go there I feel bad saying this but because if if he truly goes one way then he's going to lose some of his audience but Irregardless back Jord Jordan Peterson yeah I was told the one having a conversation with him I truly don't think he cares about what anybody says like and I had a conversation with him 50% of the time I felt like he didn't even want to have a conversation with me so like I don't think he cares I think

he's just super passionate and very um uh he's so smart it could be a problem type of thing you know what I mean like he overthinks it And but he's a genius and by the way God might be using him for a certain thing right he might be the of Our Generation tons of people are coming to Christ through him so one last passage so that that Matthew 7 passage where clearly you just come down some and it's through Jesus Christ well the whole Protestant Reformation was based out of Grace and some of our Catholic

friends struggle with that others love it but it's out of Romans 1:18 where you have Martin Luther And the thesis that he posted on the door he came to know Christ through understanding it's not by my own righteousness but by Christ that I'm saved Romans 1:18 says and so all of a sudden he's just talk about tears talk about a total breakdown where he all of a sudden understands the cross and by doing so he says I'm going to risk my life I might be killed for this because every powerful religious industry is saying no

it's by your own works and It's by the pope for example but he's going to risk it all because he understands Grace and he's not saved through Works what about the verse where it says Works without what is it works without without works face without works is dead mhm what does that mean it's the direct so you need to work well the Book of James has been misunderstood by a lot of people many people say see James is saying you go to Heaven by your works it's not what he's Saying James is saying here's sincere

Faith which is shown by works versus insincere Faith which has no Works to back it up it's that simple so James is not saying you go to Heaven by your Works no he understands Faith but it better be a faith that works because you have so much faith and love that you want to work and you want to show your love and the way John puts it in first John is if I say I love God and hate you I'm a liar right if I say I love God and I hate you I'm a liar

that's a contradiction now might I lose my temper with you might I say I hate you yes but I better apologize and say gosh I'm sorry please forgive me me are you speaking of is it John 4:20 where he says you cannot hate your brother and say you love God very good first John 420 that's the gospel John there we go that was good that's exactly George when you sent that picture of you on your knee asking Bill to be your wife I danced to jig inside why not because you and I have spent hours

and days and months together you're my brother in Christ you're my sister in Christ and to see you do that with her was so moving for me personally I just was dancing a jig inside well you guys are both invited to so much my mother would never let you guys marry us but that's quite all right you guys are not ready yet no off it would be an honor for to have you guys there and Actually since we're speaking of wedding and you guys officiate weddings can you tell us about that like is it something

that you love to do is it like tell us about that experience because you're sharing one of people's most you know well actually to piggy back off of that the the the this is like that was such a beautiful way of doing mind like a little darker um that's that's us though uh how do you feel about babies being baptized which you kind of said in the Beginning you feel like you should wait until and then now how do you feel when you're doing it knowing that they should wait fortunately I'm not doing it tomorrow

I'm dedicating what does that mean dedicating basically just means speaking scripture over the child and then speaking to the parents and any other children they have that they are going to support this child and grow them up in the faith and then I turn to the congregation and say are you going To do the same so it's all about dedication and back to a covenant to really help this so it's not a baptism not a I wouldn't do a baptism you do you guys don't baptize B we don't baptize no you said you're going to

sprinkle a baby and long from now well people coming out of your background when when I explained to them we're not going to baptize we're we're going to dedicate just last Sunday a gentleman said to me well could there be some water involved that's just Because of the strong tradition and I say well sure I can sprinkle a little water on your baby's forehead but you've got to understand this is not a baptism this is a dedication of you to raise this child so that this child sees and hears about Jesus from you it's a

dedication of us as a Community of Faith to support you in this and yes we're going to pray over the child that's what it is I like that yeah I think that's beautiful that very Beautiful well I don't to think it from there the things we see to your question like the things we see when we're doing premarital counseling I was counseling this couple where they were talking about how the man kept checking out other women and he was an atheist so we debated even within premarital counseling which I loved but literally she would say

that he would crane his neck oh that's disrespectful totally and he was trying to rationalize it and say No you know you're able to I give you time with the dog I'm the one who goes and works so I should beow to check weird that's how you know you have no excuses babe you have a dog exactly did I not get you a puppy right uh well actually I talked about this with Bella to be vulnerable I told her this I go listen if I look at a girl that's pretty it's it's a little secret

I want to tell you when we started dating I'm not gay so like if like a beautiful girl walks By I'm going to be like wow that girl's beautiful okay and if a beautiful man walks by I'm going to be like wow that guy's a very handsome man okay there's a difference for me being like babe that look at that girl she's very beautiful I bet she's a model versus like o shorty there's such a difference like some guys you know the the way that I see them just St their necks and stare and I'm

like w wow wow wow wow wow like I would feel so disrespected If I Was Your Girlfriend yeah but there's a way of course of appreciating beauty or if you see somebody walk in and they're beautiful of course you're going to be like oh wow like they're beautiful God made them and and they're beautiful you're going to notice that right babe there's a secret why you're gorgeous okay you know what I mean cuz my eyes were doing its job I looked at you and I was like whoa and then that's how we got to know

each other and got to meet okay If I'm with my guy friends and he's single and I see a hot girl walk by I'm going to be like yo go talk to her I'm not going to be like what D hold up only got one chick dog I can't look cuz then one I'm lying to myself and I told B I go B there's so many beautiful women out in the world that I'm going to lay my eyes on but isn't it more honorable that I could see that there's more beautiful women out there and

I want nothing to do with them I think that's more honorable Cuz it's real if I'm not going to lie to my God I ain't lying to you bro and if you can't handle the fact that I am going to look if there's a beautiful girl there's a difference there's looking with lust and there's looking with like oh wow like like for example when I look at Reed never once so I go wow look at that sexy actually that's a lie he's a very handsome guy we did merch pick once and he looks like a

Zara model I'm actually going to put that Picture up and he literally just came in for two seconds he just like got I take that back read I'm so sorry you are a model um but yeah and also I wouldn't get mad if Belle is like if I'm walk if I'm walking into a store and Belle was shopping and I didn't she doesn't know I'm around and I see her just glancing at a man that's like tall and handsome I'm not going to be like this chick I no I'm going to be like that makes

sense dude's ripped he's Shredded he's a good-looking dude now there's a difference if she's like oh oh and she's trying to find a reason to talk to him like oh are you are you going to look that and she's starting small talk and then you could tell there's meaning behind that you're looking for attention that to me is different everything has to be with intent but so how did you handle that situation with that couple what did you tell them how did you counsel them I Just counseled him just saying that hey look if you're

not dedicating your eyes to her and like George is saying looking at other women but bouncing your eyes I think that bounc your eyes is so crucial rather than craning your neck yeah in understanding hey she has insecurity when you do that I don't care how confident the woman is if her husband or boyfriend is always checking other chicks out that's going to cause insecurity in her life and so trying to Communicate that to him he started to get it but it was so stinking habitual that he couldn't break out of it it was literally

addiction so they it led to his fa it's his surroundings right so the father he always pushes them hey go have some fun go blah blah blah blah it's like they it's they start these kids on crack and then they expect them to as soon as you find somebody cut the drugs out so yes he loves his wife and yes I love B but you can't run away from Your issues the only problem between me and him is he wasn't looking to fix the solution he was living in a sin and saying oh no this

is not a problem I knew it's wrong I'm not going to I wouldn't want my girl consistently trying to look for a hot guy that's disrespectful but if a guy comes around in her workplace and she's a good-looking guy and her friend's like wow look at that guy he's a tall good-looking guy I would have no problem With it like oh yeah he's very beautiful are you trying to go talk to him let's go talk to him like I don't find that a problem because there's intent behind that I trust her I love her and

if she is going to go and mess around then let God show me and reveal that to me I told her many times I go I'll be very honest and if I ever ever disrespected you I pray that God removes me from you if I'm not a man that's good enough to be in your eyes and God's eyes remove me vice Versa I don't sit around waiting oh my God she's on set with some guys like oh I hope they're not or she's on a model or she's on a trip or I'm on a trip

all that is so much energy dude you can't get get back to work you need to go back to work and if you're worried about what your significant others doing all the time it's going to take away from your life and I don't play that game I trust this woman you could put all the mo you could put a bunch of Enrique glacius in Front of her shirtless oiled dancing to some Spanish music with their hips and I would know that she'd be like wow look at these talented dancers they're very good-looking men and she'd

keep it moving and ra that's big good that's huge yeah but it's nice when your partner shares that with you cuz then you feel secure and and there's no awkwardness or guilt or you know what I mean and I know he's secure in himself and I know I'm secure in myself and so We can have you know a strong bond yeah yeah that's true like think about that like I never even thought about it from that point of view but if I think if there's two versions of me right if there's you look at a

guy like Y what are you looking at and then the rest of the day I'm like yeah oh she was looking at that guy and then I start a fight over it I'm all this stuff but then there's this version of me where I go dang that guy's good looking bro he's Good looking huh and we laugh about it and we go shopping together and then the rest of the day we have an amazing day together because we know we're a partnership there's two different men I just feel like people search for problems there no

reason for it yeah the jealous boyfriend type is so insecure and has created an idol out of the significant other and until that Idol turns into God filling my god-shaped hole that jealousy is going to be there No matter what and it's one of the those cringy things see right and you're never going to have a healthy relationship if that happens I would love to know from from each one of you um what is a chapter in the Bible that you find yourself going back to often nice all right um the Lord's prayer Our Father

who is in heaven Hallowed be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven that's a Very challenging prayer uh thy kingdom your kingdom come your will be done on Earth in my life life as it is in heaven in other words I'm convinced that real Faith the biggest challenge for many of us is the will submitting my will your kingdom your will be done not mine and so I have to pray that regularly that's right out of Matthew chapter 6 The Lord's Prayer then I go to uh

Hebrew uh numbers chap 6: 24- 26 the Lord bless you and keep You the Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you the Lord turn his face toward you in other words give his attention to you and give you peace and I long for that peace and then I love Psalm 23 The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want he makes me lie down in Green Pastures he leads me beside Quiet Waters he restores my soul I need to be restored and then I saying that just brought me so much

peace I love the Beatitudes which start The Sermon on the Mount blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven so if anybody says to you a Christian is someone who lives according The Sermon on the Mount the first beatitude says you can't live up to this standard you've got to be poor in spirit which means to acknowledge my poverty of spirit that I need God's grace I need Christ amen so those are some of the passages I love 1 Corinthians 13 4 through eight love is patient love is Kind it

does not envy it does not boast it is not proud it is not rude it is not self-seeking and First Corinthians 15 the resurrection chapter is a great chapter on the resurrection body on the res resurrection of Christ cuz that's the basis of Hope for the future so those are some of the verses that have meant a lot to me that's beautiful and do you find do you find yourself that you go back to those a lot to find peace and comfort yes peace and Comfort also how am I going to handle this situation you

know recently I was reading in The Sermon on the Mount Jesus says you know you've heard that it was said love your neighbor and hate your enemy you've heard that it was said love your neighbor and hate the Democrat you've heard that it was said love your neighbor and hate the Republic but I say to you love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you and that's the most difficult thing for me To do cuz I naturally hate my enemy I don't love my enemy and yet to watch in our culture how Democrats and

Republicans very nice people have started hating each other whoa that is tragic yeah really tragic we have such a divide yes exactly to divide divide divide and and be cool by ripping some of the shreds that's not cool that's degrading a human being Crea the image of God it's I don't know how people could handle that Because unless they just lie to themselves and they bathe in lies but like when you point somebody else's flaws out so like willingly it's like to me I get so uncomfortable even when other people do it I get so

uncomfortable cuz I'm like whoa I don't even want to be around the facility I feel like they're doing witchcraft and I'm like I don't want that Voodoo to come over here like when you look at somebody and you're judging I just go I Know I'm going to be standing in the most vulnerable naked in front of my God and like he's going to point out even the sins that I forgotten about and I'm over here like dude you need to chill out with this this and that and it's just like shut up shut up you

know um but I want to Circle back to the first Bible verse he said where it was the the the prayer Our Father um our father thou be in heaven who is in heaven who is in heaven um me and my mom I was having Like a little debate with my mom my mom goes you know you got to she she says that in ayrian so it's like it's it's a very it's from the language that Christ spoke too but I had a problem with it because I here's the thing we just had a beautiful

conversation right we had a beautiful conversation before if I came here right now and I said this same exact thing to you that I did last time I don't feel like it's a Real conversation I feel like it's a a chant somebody who's babbling good um I think that the exact prayer was God explaining to us all these are the things you need to hit you should talk about but it should be in your own words it should be between you and God I see my father is like my actual father that's on Earth is

like we have a Rel he's seen me more than my actual father on Earth so like I want to be like instead of me being like uh give me Today my bread right like it's just I want to talk to him about my finances like hey I'm stressed out about this give me the faith to know that what I have here is good enough and I don't need anymore I need to be in depth I don't just ask God hey come into my work because if I if God was right here he would just look

at me and be like okay what part of your work so I want to be elaborate I want to be very very detailed sometimes when I'm praying I'll Like I'll pray for an hour sometimes I'm praying it'll take me 30 seconds but it's a real thing that I'm talking between God what are your thoughts about people that believe that they should just say that specific prayer over their meals over their bedtime when they wake up they just kind of say the same thing my mom she goes I say the prayer and then I talk to

him and I go good why okay so you're saying good but in my mind I'm like that's that's like weird That's like if I came to you and and and I know this sounds disrespectful but I'm being I'm being serious if I had a ritual I had to rub my elbows and my ears I just feel like that'd be annoying like the guy's like dude I have somebody in Africa right now I'm talking to like get to the point like what do you need from me what are we talking about here stop rubbing your elbows

good okay it's the issue of ritual ritual can be mindless empty and meaningless yeah Because you get the practice it's just done by rot you just do it right but every night raising him up I would put him to bed with a Bible story a prayer a memory verse and we'd sing Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus that was a ritual we did it every day ritual can be good when we are reminding ourselves of the basic fundamental truths about God in Christ it ritual can also be important when you pray before meals as a way

to grow your faith as a Way to remind yourself of what is significant so ritual can be bad empty meaningless mindless or it can be very good in that you are teaching the Next Generation and you're also growing your own faith reminding yourself of the fundamentals so you're saying I'm so sorry so you're saying okay there's two versions of this yeah Georgie jenko who's over there by the way the I don't even know what I was saying I don't even know if they like what's What's bab M I don't know I just learned to say

this and this is my prayer I feel like that's dangerous because when all the other kids were around they were not even having a connection with God that's one whole thing the second one is I'm just rushing through it so I can have my meal because I'm T I have to say this right before I say my meal but then you're saying there's a difference from Georgie versus my mom who's honoring God and saying the words knowing what she's Saying behind them feeling that Christ asked her to say this and then when she's done with

that she puts it aside here and then she speaks to God with her own words God seeing a faithful woman that's trying her best to honor God correct so I'm a dooo brain I owe my mom an apology and I would say that that is one of the strengths of the Catholic church or the Assyrian Church Orthodox right it's the ritual now you know that when you go into one of those churches It can be a Mindless meaningless dumb ritual or as in the case of your mom it can be incredibly profound so when I

say the Our Father Our Father who is in heaven I'm thinking I'm beginning to think think father Jesus is the only one who taught us to talk to God as father means he loves us he protects us who is in heaven he's in another dimension he's a lot bigger than I am Hallowed Be Your Name a if I lose my awe of God I'm sunk my fear of cancer heart failure Whatever had better not be bigger than my fear my awe of God see it's I as I grow in awe of God that my anxiety

my fears begin to settle down and when I lose my awe of God my fears and anxiety escalate Hallowed Be Your Name Your Kingdom Come here's the whole issue of will I've got to submit my will to Christ otherwise you know what's happening and I it hit me really hard if I lose my all of God and my desire to do his Will the god I believe in always says good boy Cliff keep going do exactly what you do God and I never have a disagreement so you know who the God is that I worship

an idealized version of myself of course God and I are going to have disagreements he's God and I'm Cliff and we both have wills and I better learn to submit my will to him because he's wiser than I am he really loves me he's really good I am not and therefore I better take my will and Surrender it to him so I begin to break that Lord's Prayer down and begin to say okay father Hollow be your name what does that mean and then all of a sudden it takes on new meaning for me do

you have the Bible on you or like do you remember did you have you memorized the the prayer yes because we are coming to our our ending unfortunately I would love to read the prayer line by line but pause and explain what the meaning is because there's many little georgies out There that are just rambling trying to please God when they really don't know what they're saying and I oh I'm a terrible reader you can't do that I I bro if you break this down one it's more powerful if you read it um if you

break this down you just keep asking like who I trying to mess this one up all right go but but focus on the acts you you didn't mention the AC adoration confession Thanksgiving supplication if you remember that that's exactly how you Break down the Lord's Prayer and that's how you pray because your audience who you're trying to teach how to pray prayer can be the hardest thing in the world or the easiest thing in the world I I think it's both at least for me and I think if they catch our father okay adoration and

then if you go down um give us today our daily bread it that's that's supplication so it goes a adoration confession c t Thanksgiving and C and S supplication so acts and if you watch it like that that makes prayer easy otherwise for me it gets it gets so tricky you're one of those dudes in the class where they're like well you got to do is you got to write it out of here like shut up bro what are you talking about I don't what three of those words you just said I had no idea

what they even mean dude you know adoration adoration adoring God Hollow be your name so that's hollowing God it C is confessing confessing I confess a lot T is thanking God know how to thank and then s is a supplication one supplements to me like protein I'm being serious what is that asking God ask like Suffocation okay I got you that's always what the machismo male says I don't do for myself in prayer why and exactly like pray for yourself qu pretend to be humble my sister she goes the one thing I learned from George

is to take when somebody gives cuz my like I'm very successful I'm a very successful man I've made some good money my dad's like here's some 20 bucks I always take it and my mom's like are you not a my my sister's like are you not ashamed I go he offers I take it I'm not going to listen I have no Pride you're giving it I'm taking it man it' be rude of me not to take it all right and actually I love that we're ending it with a prayer so thank you so much Cliff

you bet all right our Father not a scrooge not a cosmic ogre Our Father who loves us protects us has our best interests in mind that's how good he is he knows what's best for Us in heaven not a material being who sits right here God not God in a box no he's in heaven another dimension a lot bigger really big Hallowed Be Your Name all of God hollowood means all all struck break down uh what is a like like shocked or Blown Away by his glory Blown Away by his glory got it profound Respect

so you're asking to be in awe you're expressing it it Hallowed Be Your Name you're expressing you are awesome got it your kingdom come your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven that's all issue of your will not my will your will be done give us today our daily bread what does that mean that means not with that little boy prayed over dinner God we earned the money for this we deserve this so why are we thanking you well who do you think causes the rain to Fall and the soil to sprout

the crop even even the truck driver thank you that the truck driver brought that food to my market and I just had to drive down to Acme and buy the thing off the shelf give us today our daily bread CU we're trusting you now here comes real heart forgive us our debts our sins our trespasses as we have also forgiven our debtors those who sinned against us read Matthew 18 the parable of the unmerciful servant a guy forgives a servant for a Million doll debt that servant throws a guy into prison for a few bucks

and what we read is is that he was not patient the way the king had been patient with him and the King was outraged that he threw a man into prison for a few dollars debt after he had forgiven a million dollars okay if I don't forgive somebody it means I am totally blind to how much God has forgiven me totally blind spoiled and and and you are not considerate of what you've given You' Gotten Perfect all right lead us not into temptation three things about Temptation how do you deal with it first of all

you don't believe the devil's liee Adam and Eve believe the devil's lie secondly you run away from it Joseph Genesis 39 ran away from Piper's wife who was trying to seduce him and thirdly you use scripture the way Jesus did in his temptation don't test the Lord your God man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth Of God Worship the Lord your God and serve him only so lead us not into temptation because it's seductive and I can bite and I'm a guy who has bitten far too

many times when I've been tempted but Deliver Us from the evil one yes he is real he's the devil and he's not a little dude in a red jumpsuit he's a very swaave debonaire sophisticated guy who will deceive watch out for him help me Lord God not to buy his lies amen thank you so much for breaking that Down and that was like profound like at a whole different level profound guys I can't thank you enough dude like I really really can't I pray we do so many more I really do and um if I

had to pray for just seriously from my heart if we're talking about prayer I pray that your guys's light that I feel that God brings up and shines over the world and I got to be blessed to walk around this facility and see where you guys have had in the past And what you guys are trying to do in the future I pray that when your bloodline keeps multiplying that your guys's fruit is so outstanding that when people taste your fruit they not only believe God but they are in awe of God thank so much

you guys doing incredible work keep it up it's just growing and growing ex how the gospel has proliferated because you've gone there instead of the other direction which everybody would think the other Direction right to grow is I mean that's how the holy spirit is using you is Phenom exciting to see it really is hey stop complimenting us it is not it is not that's true I love you guys thank you so much love you guys love you guys