Jordan Peterson sat down with Muhammad hijab in a Muslim Mosque and hijab took this opportunity to try and convert Jordan Peterson to Islam and it didn't go so well and he got some push back so I'm going to let that video start playing and I'm going to give my thoughts as we go let's get into it I've read all your books and I even read some of your peer-reviewed work cuz when I was going to speak to to you then I said you know I'm going to do my my homework yeah so I read everything
one of the things that you said one time in the maps of meaning you started off the book by saying when you were a young lad I don't know how how young you were you said that you found the doctrines of Christianity incomprehensible and absurd yeah and you also said that you found you had some kind of issue with Christianity because of the Genesis narrative and how in in congruent it was with scientific narratives you went to a pastor you said or a church cleric or something and then you left the church now I've got
a question do you still have the same position or have you changed your position well I've changed my position a lot I was only 13 then you know and I was I was caught up in in the battle you know to in so far it was manifested at in me when I was 13 I was caught in the battle between Enlightenment rationality and traditional narrative belief I had no idea how to reconcile those two things do you feel like you can do that now I'm doing my best to reconcile yes and I think well I
certainly can do it a lot more than I did when I was 13 let me give you an example right this this point when you were 13 I think you were thinking straight I'll be sorry to be very straight it's hard to believe that someone is disagreeable with as you because someone with an IQ of 180 or whatever you have yeah someone of your intelligence when you were when you were 13 you probably had an IQ of I don't know 120 or something yeah so you you were operating like my friend over here Ali da
on his level at the age of 13 but what I was going to say was that you know the reason why I think you because look at the Trinity for example look at the schisms and this go goes to your specialism that the idea of three all powerful entities that Jesus is all powerful that the father is all powerful the son is all powerful and the Holy Spirit is all powerful but there's not all one there's not three all powerful there's one all powerful you have one ultimately willing being which person which is Jesus then
another person which is ultimately willing which is the son the Quran says about this says in chapter 23 ver number one 91 it says that Allah has not taken any son and he does he did not have any creator with him had that been the case they would have stripped one another for what they they would have competed and tried to outstrip one another for power meaning this idea of three all powerful persons is unintelligible to say the least the idea that Jesus Christ exhibits two Natures for I know there are schisms and there's difference
of opinion among Christians but the fact that you have this human nature where Jesus is walking and he sees the tree and he can't eat from the tree he doesn't know that the tree is in season or not or that he doesn't know when the hour is or whatever it may be the Quran says it very clearly him and his mom used to eat food this proposition that they are limited and unlimited at the same time is unint it's a contradiction it's an affront to logic that's it this will cause you cognitive dissonance because if
you want to be a rational actor and you want to be see that's the thing yeah yeah I don't want to be a rational actor but you do when you do your scientific experiments that's true so why' you why' you SE separate the two things because rationality should be subordinated to something above it and I'm trying to subordinate myself to that and so my my reaction to what you're saying um is that it's an in this isn't an insult I'm telling you what my reaction is it's not it's not even a criticism it's I find
the discussion that discussion as soon as it started I found that less interesting than what we were doing before it was harder for me to focus on and I I think the reason for that is that it it it transforms to some and I'm not saying this isn't necessary at sometimes but it transforms the Transcendent into something like an intellectual and propositional discussion and so in some sense we're debating perhaps not the fine points of theology because they're more like the blunt points of theology but there's something about that that there's something about that that
isn't what I want to do with you yes you know and it isn't that it's not necessary Muhammad is right that the Trinity is a mystery but Jordan Peterson also rightly points out that it doesn't matter if we can understand it what matters is if it's true and it reminds me of a debate that Muhammad hijab had with David wood and David wood made the same point and then he uses three bible verses to justify the Holy Trinity and hijab did not have a good answer at all and so I'm going to give you those
three Bible verses now in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth now the Earth was formless and empty Darkness was over the surface of the deep and the spirit of God was hovering over the waters so here you have God and the spirit of God hovering over the waters interesting the second one is then God said let us make Mankind in our image and our likeness and so who is he talking to here the third one being draw near to me and hear this this is God speaking from the beginning I have not
spoken in secret from the time it came to be I have been there and now the Lord God has sent me in his spirit so God is speaking and God is saying that he sent with God along with the spirit of God but now we're going to see Jordan Peterson he's going to press Muhammad about why he believes in Jesus so let's see how it goes so let let me flip it around to some degree so one of the things I'm very curious about is obvious viously the figure of Christ is contentious and so the
Jews don't know what to make of Christ in some fundamental sense because he seems like the last he seems like an what would you a continuation of the prophetic tradition in some real sense plus he was Jewish so that makes things complicated and then of course the Christians put the figure of Christ as as Central in some real sense but that begs the question of the relationship between Christ and God and then in the Muslim Community Christ is also a central figure and so I'm curious about that and we could say we have doctrinal differences
about what constitutes that centrality it's like fair enough and I would also not say that I understand what that centrality means and I know that in the western tradition that's part of what has been conceptualized as the fundamental attribute of of the figure of Christ and I know that Christ is Central in the Muslim tradition and so one of the things I would want to know is why do you believe that the figure of Christ is Central in some sense or maybe I've got that wrong although I don't think so why do you think the
figure of Christ is Central both to the Muslim faith and the Christian faith and what do you think that says about what we share in common because I really don't understand that it's a mystery to me okay so Jesus Christ if secular historians will look at him and differ on his existence or not the majority to be fair do believe he existed right the even secular historians atheists and agnos and whatever it may be right right it's the simplest explanation yeah it's a simp of course yeah so I believe that first of all Jesus Christ
existed which in the modern age is worth noting right Muslims actually Muslims are the only other major world religion who believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah as the Prophet this is a strange thing so we should definitely be trying to sort that out all right so this is the first point of commonality we believe in Jesus Christ we believe in his miracles that he cured the blind with God's permission that he raised the Dead with God's permission We Believe that he even you know uh he he created some things which in the Gospel of
Thomas Nish in the Bible like you know but uh for example the the clay bird and so on that he blew into it and it became an actual bird that he killed a leper with God's permission we believe that he was one of the mightiest human beings that have ever lived on the earth and we believe that his mother was the best woman who ever lived on the earth the Quran actually explicitly says that well that seems like a good starting point I find it interesting that most of the world religions out there all have
something to say about Jesus I mean the Muslims say that he's coming back to judge the world Buddhists say that he was an enlightened teacher the Hindus saw him well at least some Hindus saw him as a Divine of vatar the Jews said he led a revolt against the Romans and the bah faith says he's a manifestation of God and it's also compelling to me to consider that there is a consistency across the historical accounts among the Jewish historians the Roman historians and the early Islamic texts all about Jesus all confirming that he was a
real historical person and if Jesus isn't Divine I'm wondering why all these religions decide that they have to have something to say about him and on another note why is Jesus the most mocked religious figure of our time none of these things prove God but it definitely raises some questions to me but now Muhammad he's done trying to skate around things he's just going to real bluntly ask Jordan Peterson to join Islam and well you'll see how it goes let's get into it I want to ask a question just before we end I politely sat
here just to indicate we need to wrap up okay I just want to ask one last question cuz I I'm interested in both both of both of you in a sense yeah I said that you know from from a Muslim perspective the question that we're asked to ask is bring the evidence yeah if I were to bring reasonable evidence which would satisfy some kind of probabilistic reasoning that the prophet Muhammad we believe is the final Prophet right that he was a true Prophet would you be willing to become Muslim I wouldn't um I wouldn't dispute
a priority the idea that Muhammad was a true Prophet okay but I don't understand what that means like obviously so this is the way I'm going to look at this psychologically again you know it's people are granted Revelations and it's obviously the case let's speak empirically that the revelation of Muhammad United a fractious society and so it was a uniting revelation now how to conceptualize but it's not a universally uniting Revelation at least not yet or not now because we're not all United so why well maybe we didn't understand the Revelation one possibility is the
presupposition what you're saying that Unity is the ultimate objective well not exactly you know because then you have the problem of uniformity that you you point even even the idea of unity itself I mean is is there we talked about okay un is a great just to be clear I believe that Unity is a great objective but I don't think it's the old defining one for example um if there's a if there is an injustice that is so great that disunity is more appropriate then I can imagine situations where disunity is probably better than Unity
right I'm sure you can as well for example like in that would be a false unity in some sense ex well that's why you wanted to address the elephant under the right away we can't have a false pieace exactly and we can't incorporate things we can't yet corate yes and the reason why I'm bringing this to your attention is because I feel like it's my duty as a Muslim especially the mosque right to to to tell you that um as Muslims we believe that the previous dispensations as they were like Christianity and Judaism they are
part of our faith in a sense not in the sense of believing the doctrines and all that kind of thing like we obviously don't believe in original sin or the the Resurrection the crucifixion all these kind of things we don't believe in any of that or the Trinity of course um but in the sense that we do believe in Jesus Christ We Believe believe in all of the Old Testament prophets most of them if not all of them you know Abraham Moses Jesus and so on I don't understand the question exactly he don't know if
you convert to Islam no I'm saying that no that wasn't I mean that's the question well look I would say to some degree it's not up to me no no my question was my just to remind you the question was if I gave you evidence that would satisfy a certain level of probabilistic you say wouldn't no because that isn't how I evaluate the situation how would you evaluate then well for me the proof of faith is the attractiveness of its adherence and that's something to think about right well are you a shining example of the
Muslim faith well how hard do you shine in case you missed it at the end there Jordan Peterson just said something kind of brutal here which is basically that he's not going to follow any sort of religion that has teachings or followers that are not fostering unity and peace and I think in recent decades we have seen Islamic terrorist groups groups who are doing terrible things to people and they are using verses in the Quran to justify what they're doing so now I'm going to give you two of the main ones that they use to
do that then when the sacred months have passed kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit and wait for them at every place of Ambush and then another fite those who do not believe in Allah or in the last day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and his messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who are given the scripture fight until they have given the jyra willingly while they are humbled now these verses they do have a certain historical
context that a lot of Muslim Scholars will point to to help defend them but there are still active sex of Islam who interpret these verses literally and it promotes violence and I think Jordan Peterson recognizes that and I think that's part of the reason he doesn't want to become a Muslim at this time but if you want to learn more about the differences between Islam and Christianity I'm going to throw up another video on screen it's ex-muslim Nabil kesi and he does a deep dive on the Quran and its verses about why he left Islam
why he thinks Islam is not a religion of peace and then gives some other reasons for why he thinks Islam false uh with that being said have a great day y'all bye-bye
