“This is BULLSH*T!” Jimmy Dore CLASHES with Interviewer

I don't like to debate Zionists. It's the same stupid [ __ ] arguments over and over. It's the same [ __ ] trying to justify a [ __ ] genocide. It's that the ma the bloodthirsty lying war starting [ __ ] Zionists that are cancer on this planet. I do not I I find no pleasure in debating someone pushing that [ __ ] point of view. Uh Jimmy Dor is a political commentator and comedian who has over 1.7 million subscribers on YouTube. Uh welcome Jimmy. >> Ah great to be here. Thanks for having me. >>

Thanks. Uh so people try to box you into a certain political outlook uh into right into Republican or left into Democrat. More recently it's been into Republican. I would say that you're none of those. After watching a lot of your content, I would say you you would call yourself on the best day, you know, fiercely anti-establishment. Uh, how would you describe your views? >> Well, you are accurate. That is exactly right. I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I was a Democrat most of my life up until 2016 when they cheated Bernie Sanders and then

Bernie Sanders tucked his tail and made them pay zero price for it and extracted zero for his endorsement. So, um, I stopped being a Democrat and, um, not so people then automatically assume, um, I'm a Republican, which I'm not. I tried to call out on my show, as you point out, the the I try to be be anti-establishment, and I point out the two-party duopoly and that they all have billionaire donors. In fact, Kla Harris and Joe Biden had more billionaire donors than Donald Trump did. And so when you see Bernie Sanders and AOC going

on an anti- oligarch tour, it's all phony. It's all theater. It's all fake because they didn't care about that when it was their party getting it. And so yeah, I call that stuff out. And I'm a little harder on the Democrats than I am on the Republicans because uh uh I was never the Republicans never asked for my vote. It was the Democrats. And so and I was a Democrat and I feel betrayed by them. I don't feel betrayed by the Republicans. I knew what they were. So, um, yeah, I I still consider myself a

lefty, even though what it means to be a lefty or a righty has completely changed since Trump and COVID, for sure. So, I have always been anti-war. I've always been pro- worker. I've always been anti-censorship. I've always been free pro- free speech and pro- bodily autonomy, right? And my body, my choice. Well, that all flipped for Democrats or lefties during uh u co right? So now uh people who considered themselves on the left or people who are considered on the left are for things that are u very anti-left like being for they they democrats and

people who claim to be lefties became very pro- censorship. They became very anti- uh free speech. They turned their back and betrayed bodily autonomy, which is the basis of my body, my choice. And now they're like, "No, it's your body, the government's choice, which is why we can mandate you to take an experimental medical treatment." And so now they call themselves proabortion. So, uh, now a lot of the people on the right are anti-war and they are pro- free speech and pro bodily autonomy. Um, and so things seems to have switched. So, I think the

left right uh labels don't really mean much anymore. In fact, they oppos they mean the opposite of what people think. And uh you know, the the problem is both parties are pro-corporate. They're pro-war. They're pro- corporate and they're anti-worker. Both parties. So, uh that's what I call out. And people who are Democrats hate me because I tell the truth about the Democrats. And people who are Republicans hate me because I tell the truth about uh the Republicans. So, uh, I'm we're I've woken up. I I meet people. I go out and tour as a stand-up

comedian. And I meet people after my shows, at least, you know, a hundred people after each show. We do a a meet and greet where we take pictures. We have a brief conversation. And lots of those people tell me, "I used to be a Republican, uh, but I see through it now, thanks to your show. I used to be a Democrat. I see through it." And so, that's uh, very rewarding to me. And so, yeah, it's very astute that you picked up that people try to pigeon hole me. You have to be one or the

other. And it's very convenient for the establishment to have people in one group or the other because then you immediately start fighting each other instead of realizing you have more in common that divides you and that you should come together and fight the oligarch. It's not left or right. It's top down. It's us against them and it's us against the WF globalist billionaire class. Uh that's what it's really about. And so that's what they're afraid of people waking up to, which is why they keep finding these ways to keep us hating each other and fighting

each other like they did during co >> um I I want to ask you about your isolationist uh point of view. Like you said, you're very anti-war. Um you've talked about before, you've talked before on your show about America being an imperialist war machine. Uh don't you think that there is positives about having uh military bases around the world? uh let's say around near sewers canal or about near straight salt you know all these different uh vital infrastructure >> yeah I don't think the United States needs to be the world's policeman and I think it's

a manifest that it's been a failure and that we do that we use our military is the uh it is is the tool of the economic hitmen in the United States the corporatist we have close to a thous0 bases, probably more because a lot of them are secret around the world. We're the only country in the world that does that. I don't know what does China have, maybe one or two military bases outside their own country. Uh same thing with Russia. Very limited. And of course, we spend 10 times more on our military than the

the next country or the next five countries combined. It's really So Eisenhower warned us in his exit speech from the White House, uh saying that beware the undue influence of the military-industrial complex. And uh it's clear that they have a strangle hold on our government. And that's what the Iraq war was about. That's what the Libya war was about, the Syria war is about, the 20-year Afghanistan war, uh the Ukraine war, as Julian Assange taught us that these wars are not meant to be won. They're meant to be ongoing. So they can transfer the money

in our treasury to the international security. Sure. But isn't it to America's uh you know of course there's a lot of that sort of benefit that they do have some control over other countries but as well as that there is some personal benefit to America. 25% of American economy is reliant on foreign trade. So if let's say the sewers canal gets caught up by an enemy state um and blocks America from it for example uh that would cause huge uh an a huge issue uh to America would it or the straits of tan you know

if that's gets caught up and oil isn't allowed to leave that could cause a huge issue. >> Yeah that sounds like a world problem. That sounds like a problem for the UN if something like that happens. That doesn't sound like uh particularly an American and I just probably um you know the amount of uh trade that comes through uh there is very low uh it's not 25%. >> Which which what you referring to 25% of what? So, um, so I would I would I I don't have the numbers at the tip of my tongue right

now, but I would I would challenge the veracity that 25% of our trade in the United States comes from the Suez Canal. >> Foreign, it's based on the foreign trade, not specifically. >> Oh, so how much? >> Yeah. >> Oh, so it's much much less based on those two things. Yeah, that's >> Yeah. So far, so far foreign trade isn't based on the Suez Canal. >> No, not not in its entirety. No, definitely not. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, a very small percentage. >> So, let let's talk about Charlie Kirk. Um, you you've talked a lot

about him on your show. So, Charlie Kirk was assassinated on September 10th at Utah Valley University. Uh, the FBI, Cash Patel, said that it was Tyler James Robinson who handed himself in a day or two later. Uh, you've said you don't think uh he is the real killer, uh, the real assassin. You've said you think it's someone from within the Mossad, within Israel, within the United States government and Charlie's security team. Why do you think all of this? And what do you think is happening here? >> Well, I think if you I feel sorry for

anyone who believes the FBI narrative around the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Uh it's manifestly BS story. Uh the fact that uh they say that some kid who's never been to that campus before somehow got up on the roof with no security seeing him by people saw him in the crowd. Nobody again just like in Butler, Pennsylvania. People in the crowd saw him, but none of the cops saw him. None of the Secret Service saw him. Same thing here. They've got uh security teams. They got police departments. And nobody's looking at the roofs. Nobody's up on

the roof. And somehow this kid got up there, had enough time to put a gun together. It wasn't even put together by the time he got up there, had to take some time out, put the thing together, then get it all set up. And nobody saw him. Nobody's watching this. And so, and then the idea that a 306 bullet, which would take his head clean off. Clean off. We're told that it didn't that he ate a lot of spinach and he had extra strong sp uh uh spinal cord and that's what stopped that's what stopped

a 306 bullet which will go through tree trunks and metal and uh this just garbage. So that the jumping off point is a lie. Um and why was the security team? So and then we've caught TPUSA and a security team in multiple multiple lies. Uh, one of them was that they said that they his security team said they weren't allowed to fly drones, but then the TPUSA guy, uh, Frank Turk is on video saying that no, we were looking at the the, uh, images from the drones that they were flying above. So that's boom, right

there. Big lie. They uh, they paved over the crime scene two days after the assassination. Is that really protocol to completely uh bastardize, obliterate, and contaminate a crime scene? No. Why did they ask for the construction workers that were paving over the crime scene to keep their mouth shut? Uh that that that came out in text messages. Uh there's so many I could keep going. Why did they take the SD cards out of the cameras and lie about why they did it? They got a executive at the TPUSA said they were ordered to by a

cop and the cop said we didn't order them. Then they said, "Oh, we were afraid." Then they changed their story and said, "We're afraid people were going to steal it." Well, if you were afraid people were going to steal it, you would take the camera. You, which is the expensive thing, you wouldn't take the SD card out. So, they just they they lied about Mikey McCoy being covered in blood. They lied about him uh uh directing traffic and what to do with Charlie's body and how to It's all a lie. It nothing but lies. 100%

lies. And now we find out that there's all this financial shenanigans inside the TPUSA that apparently Charlie had become aware of and he was ordering a Doge type accounting and 8 days later he's dead. Um, also they lied about the fact that Charlie had turned against Israel. Uh, so they all lied about that. Candace Owens got the text messages. She outed them on all of that. Uh so and Charlie had said the day before uh that he was afraid they were going to kill him. He didn't say a guy, he said they. And so um

yeah, so that's why I mean I don't know who killed him exactly, but it certainly was a collusion. It was a group effort. It wasn't just a lone nut. That guy's a pat you talked about is I mean there's definitely a lot of questions about it. No doubt. I mean, you mentioned specifically Israel at the end, saying that Candace Owen said that uh Charlie said someone someone's going to kill him a few days beforehand or the day beforehand. Uh has she ever produced the text messages? >> She produced the text messages that they said didn't

exist to show them that they were lying about Charlie turning on uh Israel and the Israel and calling out. But I haven't I haven't seen the latest her her latest accus her her latest um statement was that the day before Charlie Kirk I think texted her or somebody that he was afraid they were going to kill him. And no, I haven't seen those texts yet, but every other text thing she's uh talked about, she's been 100% right. And the people at TPUSA and the Josh Hammers uh they've been proven to be proven liars. So, um,

she didn't release the text talking about someone was going to kill her the day before. She did release a text about Jewish donors saying, "Charlie tweeted, uh, sorry, Charlie sent in a group chain, uh, saying that he's turning on Israel or he's no option but to leave the pros cause and because the Jewish don left." >> Yeah. Which proved which proved those people around Charlie were liars. >> How how so? >> Because they said that wasn't true. They said he was in love with Israel. He hadn't changed. He hasn't wavered. That's why she released those

text messages >> because they were all lying. >> Can't someone be, you know, uh, as humans, we're not black and white. We can text something and mean something else or I mean, Charlie Kirk was he was very very pro-Israel his whole life. He's gone around saying stuff, hasn't he? How many times has he gone to Israel? Yeah. >> Yeah. He was a very he was a very young man and he had uh, you know, he brought Tucker Carlson on. He was, you know, people evolve especially, you know, he's not a 50-y old guy. He was

in his early 30s. He was uh he he had gotten power and he had seen how the world actually works and who actually pulls the strings. And so he was waking up to that and he was waking up to the Israel project and he said that his Jewish donors play into the worst stereotypes and he's not going to be bullied and he can't support the Israel project anymore. So yeah, that he had changed. So I you know you're repeating history, ancient history, not current history. The current history was he couldn't he could no longer support

Israel and that his Jewish donors played into the worst stereotypes. That's the current history. That's the actual fact. >> I think it's I >> and that's why you know and and they also that's why they came after Tucker Carlson, Dave Smith. His donors were pulling their money because he was bringing people like Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith to have a debate about Israel to have and he was that's his whole gig. His whole gig is ask me anything, change my mind. So they wanted him to change who he was and they wanted they were doing

it under the threat of pulling their money and it was all because they were Zionists. >> I mean I think I think people are nuanced. So let's say so Charlie you know he did go around he was very [laughter] I think so I think people are nuanced. They definitely change your mind as well like you're saying. Um so Charlie he was very pro Israel. He never said anything against Israel or very very rarely said anything against Israel. He did send that text message on that group chain about uh donors uh saying, you know, I have

no trouble. >> He said a lot of stuff against Israel. People can be nuanced. >> He said a lot of stuff against Israel. >> Did you see him on PBD's podcast? Did you see all the stuff he said on PBD's podcast? Did you see the stuff he said on his his own podcast about uh the Jewish donors are responsible for the open borders, the Jewish? I mean, he said lots of stuff. So it's what it wasn't minuscule and it's obvious his opinion had changed and you can pretend it didn't. That's up to you know you

could have your own opinion but my opinion is 100% different than yours. >> Um yeah I mean I I have seen all that stuff that you're talking about on the PBD podcast. The next day I've seen all that. I've watched all those shows and I did see a few a few days later he would go and protect Israel and support Israel when he was asked in university. So it's about having that he did have that nuance. I mean, even on PBDs, he did ask a very big question, a very important question about October 7th. I

don't think that's criticizing or hating Israel. It's asking a pro a real question. You can support Isra still ask a real question about what happened on October 7th. >> Yeah. Okay. I just disagree with your assessment, that's all. We have different interpretations. >> Sure. Okay. So, let's um You also talked about Mikey McCoy and his father, Pastor McCoy. Um, yeah. >> Those guys, >> what do you think? >> Those guys, those guys are used car salesman. It flies right off. >> What do you think about Do you think they were in on the on the

assassination? What do you think about about them? >> I I don't know, but I uh I know his father lied about it, and you only lie if you're covering something up. So, uh, did you see the the video of the assassination? And before Charlie Kirk's body had even fallen off the chair, Mikey Mccor had already turned, had a phone to his ear, and kept walking like a zombie. He wasn't ducking. He wasn't afraid. He wasn't scared. He was And when Charlie Kirk was being put into the SUV, why first of all, why why didn't why

wasn't there an ambulance there? That's nuts that there wasn't an ambulance there. That's another obvious. Uh, so but Mikey McCoy, if you look at the video, Mikey McCoy is nowhere near, he has a dot in the far distance, still walking with his phone into his ear like a zombie. So that's all very suspect. And then the fact that his dad immediately lied about it. Said he was covered in blood and then he immediately started directing people to te what to do at the scene. That's also a lie. Why would you make up that lie unless

you're a huge liar covering stuff up and a used car salesman? His father also protected pedophiles on camera and inserted convicted pedophiles into being being around children. That's on camera. So his dad's his dad is a I mean if you can watch that guy and think he's sincere and that he's not a charlatan, then you're you're bull you have a bad [ __ ] detector. Uh so yeah. So that's a really I'd really still like to hear. They've tried to come up with some stories about why Mikey McCoy before Charlie Kirk even fell off the

chair had turned around and he was apparently they said he called his father. Then they said he called Erica first and he was telling them what happened. Well, how did he know what happened? He wasn't even there to see what happened. He was already gone before Charlie even hit the ground. And why didn't anybody give any first aid to Charlie? There was no first aid. There was no ambulance. Why' they take him to a hospital that was farther away than the one that was closer? Again, all you have to do is start talking about any

aspect of this case and there's a million things that don't make up that make sense or add up. >> Um, yes. I mean, there's a few things. I mean, first of all, Mikey Mcc, I did watch you the video that you're referring to. I watched your analysis on it. Um, you did make an analysis on it on your show. I watched it. You put together two clips of him walking around and then you see him a few minutes later in the distance. I don't know what happened in between then. I haven't seen like a full

five minute clip. I don't know. Um, but yeah, he did walk around straight away and walk around. I I didn't know. You're right. There's definitely some questions to be asked about him calling Erica and his father. You know, his father his father me you I believe you showed the clip of his father saying he called me a straight away after. Maybe that means 5 minutes after, 10 minutes after. I don't know. He could be directing things on his phone calling people up. Um, also about the hospital, what hospital would you said he could should have

been to a near hospital. Which hospital do are you referring to? Which hospital? >> Okay. So, I can't I don't have the names of the hospital. I've reported on this already, but I can't give it to you off the top of my head, but do you dispute that he was taken to a hospital farther away with less services than the ones that was closer? Do you >> There was a hospital mirror, but I searched it up and looked >> Yes, there definitely was. >> It definitely was. It looks like a very small hospital. >> So,

what's your question? >> It looks like a very small hospital. Uh the f one further away looks like much better resourced. >> Okay. >> I don't know. That's why I'm asking you to see if I got said got the wrong information. >> No, I I heard it the I heard it opposite. So the the way I heard it was the opposite. Uh, and then there's of course then there's all the Google searches from Israel and Washington DC about that hospital before they before and then there's Google searches on all the surgeons at the hospital and

all it's just it's just so me again any just peek around any corner around this case and there's a million suspects shady things that are happening and now we get to talk about the Google searches. It's just one thing after another. You really have to put on blinders and and twist yourself into a pretzel to dismiss all this stuff and believe the official narrative. And there's some people doing it. Good for them. Uh they they same people who are wrong about Russia gate, same people who are wrong about COVID, wrong about Ukraine, wrong about Syria,

wrong about Joe Biden's dementia. The it's the same thing. Say wrong about Seth Rich. It's the wrong about 911, building seven, living, the same thing. It's over and over. And you know, I've had these I've had people come at me for all those things. I've been And it's not because I'm brilliant. It's just that uh I have a good [ __ ] detector. And if I know it, then everybody should know it. And people are just susceptible to propaganda. So am I. Uh but I make a concerted effort not to be. >> So let's talk

about those Google stuff that you're talking about that you there searches from Google and from Washington DC. Uh this is what you said on your show. I watched your show talking about this. Um that there was searches from Google and Washington DC a few days beforehand and a few months beforehand on the hospital and the surgeons. Um so I'm not sure how much this helps, but I know people in Israel who they go to Israel, they live in Israel. It's, you know, they're much better hospitals in America. Um so I know someone right now who's

got cancer from Israel and he said, you know, there's not the the the best hospitals are actually in America. they are more advanced than us. So he went to a hospital in America. Um so not sure if that helps that people are searching it uh searching a hospital in Israel. >> Oh, okay. >> I'm asking you. Now I'm asking you. [laughter] Can't that answer the question? [laughter] >> Okay. What? Whatever you want to believe. >> What do you mean? Whatever I want to believe. If you want to believe all these things are just coincidy digs,

then go ahead. >> No, I'm not. I'm just >> I'm not here to convince I'm not here to convince you. I've done I've done shows about this. I bring these up and if you don't and if if you want to think it's a coincidence, that's your problem. I don't That's okay. I'm not trying to convince you. >> No, I'm not not asking you to convince me. And I'm ask I'm asking you you talk about this on your show, but I've never heard you mention any any of this. I'm saying isn't this a possibility? >> Any

of what? You never heard me mention any of what it >> that you know there's people in Israel that go to hospitals in in America that >> Yeah, because that's your big idea. That's not my big idea. That's your big idea. That's not my idea. You You can say it on your show. I'm not going to say it on what [laughter] again there was clusters. It was when it happened. It happened around the same time. There's again I I I I don't have all those uh u details at my fingertips like I did when I

had reported on it. uh probably now two month or two ago. But uh yeah, they there's there's way too many suspects uh coincidences for it to be coincidences for the the groupings of the of the uh chat of the Google searches coming from Washington DC coming from uh Huntsville, Alabama, which is where there's another FBI center. Uh, so again, you're you're you're really twisting yourself into a pretzel to try to try to uh ignore all this stuff. And good job. You're doing >> No, no, I'm not trying to ignore it. I'm just trying to look

at the data you presented. >> No, you are. No, you are. >> Why do you think that? >> And you're doing a good job. >> Good go. Because I'm I'm witnessing it. That's why I think that I'm witnessing it. >> I mean, I could go through the data that you presented. I've written down the data you presented. If you want, we could go through that. >> Okay. No, I I I'm not interested in doing that whatsoever. People could go watch my video and if they want to watch and they can make their own conclusions and

I don't again I don't have those that data at my fingertips. I don't but uh you know I'm not the only one reporting on this stuff and uh so it's a it's it's obvious there's lots of problems with this story. >> Okay. Sure. Um so let's talk about the situation in Gaza. What what do you think about what's happening there? >> I think it's great. I think the the Zionists and the the Israel, they're all victims. They're victims. Uh what what do you mean what I think of it? It's there's a genocide happening and um

you know, now we see the control of uh of governments and the media that the Zionists have. That's that's what this is. Um, yeah. I mean, I've seen you on one of your shows. You mentioned that Israel was in on October 7th. So, you blamed Israel for October 7. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, yeah. If you if you're able to explain >> Oh, 100%. Oh, yeah. >> Why Why do you think that? >> Yeah. Well, are you aware are you aware that the that Israel had the plans for the October 7th attack um a year

before? Did Are you aware of that? >> Oh, you are aware of that? >> I've watched all this. Are youware? I've seen one. >> Are you aware that there was a Are you aware that there was a standown order given to the people guarding the the festival? You aware of that? >> I saw you showed a IDF soldier of an IDF soldier saying he got stood down an hour beforehand. Yes. >> So, are you aware of that? >> I saw you talking about it. Yes. >> So, you're aware of that? >> Okay. Are you aware

that uh Benjamin Netanyahu said if you are if you are a supporter of the Greater Israel Project, you will support funding Hamas? Are you aware of that? I've seen that now. Okay. Are Okay. So, are you aware of the headline in the New York Times that Benjamin Netanyahu made sure that there were suitcases full of cash coming from Carter to get to Hamas? Are you aware of that? >> What about that? Yes. >> Oh, okay. So, that would be why >> those would be the reasons why. And you you so you you know those things

and you don't think that Israel Did you know that Israel killed probably more people on October 7th than the Hamas did of their own people? Did you know that? >> Uh, no. I I know there was a Hannibal directive issued on October 7th. I didn't know they killed more people than >> What What is the Hannib Do you know what the Hannibal directive? What is the >> Hannibal directive is? If they see Hamas taking people from Israel, uh they think it's better to kill them than let Hamas take them. >> Yeah. And did you see

all those cars that were completely burned to smitherines and then they buried them a day or two after October 7th? Did you do you think that Hamas did that and they were in their Adidas sweatpants and hang gliders? Do you think they did that or do you think that the Israel did that with their attack helicopters? >> I I would just say to you, I mean Norman Finkelstein came on to your show and you mentioned this to him as well. You mentioned uh you think >> so I'm asking you no to answer my question. Do

you think that Israel did that or do you think that Hamas did that in hang gliders and Adidas? >> I don't know that specific point they're referring to. >> Who do you think did that? >> I don't know. I don't know what you referring to on that point. >> You you didn't So you you're you're ignorant of the fact that there were hundreds of cars that were completely obliterated and burned and then they buried them. >> Yeah, I'm not I I'm ignorant of that. >> You don't know about that point? No. >> Wow. I thought

you watched my show. If you watch my show, you would know. >> I haven't watched all of it. Maybe I need to watch every show. Um no, because I I saw Norman Ficklestein come on your show and he me you mentioned this to him. Okay. And he said to you, well, a lot of, you know, governments receive a lot of intelligence. They have to choose what to prioritize. Um, so just because they ignored warnings beforehand, uh, doesn't mean it just means arrogance. So it does. It might be uh that's what no one said to you.

>> Um, yeah. I mean, >> yeah. I mean I I'll ask you actually in in 1973 in the Yum Kipper in the October war uh there was a prime minister in Israel called Golden Mayor uh she received a lot of intelligence in fact the Jordanian king flew to her the day before uh telling her you know there's going to be an attack the next day she ignored it uh and then there was this big attack the next day. This this has happened before in history. uh people being arrogant and looking over warnings. >> Yeah. Okay.

That's not what happened in my estimation. My estimation uh they wanted this to happen. They've been planning for this to happen. Benjamin Netanyahu would be in prison right now if there uh there wasn't he wasn't involved in continuous wars. Uh no doubt about that. Uh and so um this is the one thing uh that they could trigger. said they've always wanted to take over Gaza and the West Bank. They're doing it. They've always wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza and the West Bank. They're doing it. And what's the one thing that could give them the cover

to do it? And that's what that's what happened on October 7th, which is why they gave the standown order, which you're ignoring. And why they made sure that Hamas got funded, which you're ignoring. >> Let's talk about Hamas funding. I'm very happy. You can make the most You could >> I'm very happy to talk about the Hamas funding. How much did Israel fund Hamas? I >> I don't know. You tell me. >> Zero. Absolutely nothing. What they did do? >> No. No. They made sure they got the fun. No, just they they just got at

the Doha convention at the meetings or whatever. They just re, you know, it just got confirmed that the reason why uh Qatar was helping and funding uh Hamas was at the behest of Israel and the United States. Mhm. >> You really got to build I mean you're you know you're really doing some pretty piss poor analysis of this situation in my estimation and you you're starting from a conclusion and then you're trying to twist the evidence to to fit your conclusion which is you're right you could do that but that's what it looks like you're

doing to me. >> Um okay I mean I'm I'm genuinely looking at the evidence you looked so I'm genuinely look at so let's say Hamas we talked about Hamas you know that is where I gave mamas weapons. So I looked into that. I knew you were going to bring this up so I looked into it. Um, and what it seems like so in 1970s when Hamas the 1970s around 50 years ago when Hamas started they were an Islamic uh humanitarian organization. They opened mosques, schools. So Israel allowed that happen. They gave them licenses and everything.

In 1978 I think it was in the first uh 1987 in the first inifard they became an armed organization. Israel started treating them differently in 2018. Now, this is what you're talking about. Israel allowed Qatar to send them $15 million. I think it was a month. Uh something crazy. Huge amount of money uh to Hamas. Uh because that I mean there was two reasons honestly. There there's two reasons. Number one is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza if there's no money. The number two point is definitely true. I mean Netanyahu who's in charge definitely sees you

know he can have he can get two birds with one stone. One look to America show the Americans that you know this is a guy that doesn't care about the people in Gaza. Of course, I totally agree with you. Um, but like he's got two points. One is that he can show the Americans that he's letting Hamas, he wants money in Gaza, so there's no humanitarian crisis. And number two, there's definitely that divide rule that he pushes the PA when he pushes Hamas up. And that's totally wrong. But there's definitely parts of that. That's true.

I just I'm not sure how you get to the conclusion. >> Okay. I'm sorry you don't see it. It's clear as day to me. >> Okay. Um, yeah. I mean, as I want to ask you one one other question about Israel. I mean, you said one of the reasons you don't like Israel, you said this on Jetty Jesse Lee Peterson's show recently. It was quite it's quite a funny show, actually. Um, you said I think you might agree with that. >> Yeah, I had I had a lot of I had a lot of fun on

Jesse's show. He's he's he he cracks me up. >> I thought it was a very funny show. I'm happy we can agree on something. Um, [laughter] so I thought >> Well, I agreed on your first question. And your first question was very astute. It was great. >> Thank you. Uh so deton he asked you a really funny interesting question. I think that um he asked you you he asked you what do you think about Israel? And you said you think uh British gave away Palestine's land although it wasn't theirs to give away. And then he

asked you what do you think about America that wasn't that how America was founded? I think that's a very good question. Uh what's like yeah how do you have that is >> how do you have that criticism for Israel not for America? I do have that criticism for America. I think what we did to the, you know, America is ba was based on a genocide of the American natives and so it's horrible. >> And you know, now now the natives have casinos all over uh America. So that's like our what our little way to give

back to them, I guess. Uh but we don't we're still not we're not still slaughtering them. We're not still killing them and still taking their land. Uh we've you know uh but it was yeah it was horrible. I mean you and we're really not taught that by by the way in American uh education. We're not really they kind of gloss over it. Uh you do you are taught about the Trail of Tears and and stuff like that. But you know all our movies our whole culture was cowboys are good the Indians were bad. And when

I was a kid I grew up playing cowboys and Indians and the Indians were the bad. I mean of course. And so, uh, yeah, I I don't dis I I don't defend the way the United States treated the native population in America at all. >> Okay. Oh, sorry. I I've never heard you say that. So, that was really really interesting to hear. But, by the way, it's true. I mean, that's how all civilizations work. They propagandize and they ignore the bad parts and lift up the good parts. That That's I think that's America. That's Israel.

That's every organization under the sun. >> Yeah. And it's and it and it's the and it's the mission of my show to break through that propaganda and tell the truth so people know what's actually going on. >> Um you've also said about that Zionist lie about the Nagba. Uh which part do they lie about it? >> Oh well they they pretend that lots of them pretend it didn't happen. Lots of them pretend that Israel wasn't established by terrorists uh doing terrorism and stealing land and slaughter and slaughtering people. >> Which terrorist? >> Oh, so they

do admit that. So are you are you telling me that Benjamin Netanyahu agrees that that Israel was founded by terrorists using terrorist methods and and slaughtering people? You is that what you tell me? >> Which terrorist are you referring to when you say terrorists? >> Which group? Which organization? Oh, well, I just did a whole I just did another segment on it. I just did another segment on it. And again, I don't have the names of the groups off the top of my head, but they the people and the people who went on to become

prime ministers were involved in doing terrorist acts. >> I presume you're too. >> And they they were legit terrorists who then were became the founders of Israel. So, just like they have, isn't it? Ben, who's the guy Ben Gavir right now? He's a legit terrorist and he's now their secretary of defense. I mean the whole Zionist project is riddled with genociding terrorist bloodthirsty liars. >> Ben definitely is a terrorist. He is the min security minister right now. Um but that how how [laughter] >> and he's and he's in the Israeli cabinet right now. And he's

in the Israeli cabinet right now. Right. >> But how it works in Israel, how it works is >> okay. Yeah, it's definitely true. It's crazy. Um how he should probably be in prison. But how his uh how the political system in Israel works is is a bit different. and it works in proportional representation which means you have to work with minority parties. Uh but I just want to go back on to the point about the NAKBA. So there were three main organizations you might be referring to. One is uh one is run by the Jewish

agency uh which was the mainstream organization that was and the two that probably talking about is probably uh allei shame is might be what you're referring to. He was one of the founders of those terrorist organ was a terrorist organization. In fact, by the way, those are organizations uh the British banned the word of terrorist uh because they didn't they felt like they would be intimidated if everyone would call them terrorist organization in Palestine. Um but I'm just trying to work out like which one if you're referring to something which ones are you referring to?

>> Uh you you got me on the again the names and the things. I again I uh I I just did a whole video on it. So you can check that out if you'd want. >> Okay. Um, do you think Hamas is anti-semitic? Giving you a big one of those questions. >> Uh, well, in the words of Malcolm X, how could they be anti-Semitic? They're Semites. And most of the Jews in Israel come, you know, come from Europe. They're not Semites. That's why they that's why most of the prime ministers of Israel changed their name

so they could sound more Middle Eastern so sound more Seemetic when they actually come from Europe. >> I I think >> you know like what would you know what Benjamin's real name is? >> No. >> You don't know Mac? >> Really? Oh no. I think I've seen that. I think I've seen that. No. So uh I think a lot of them change it to be more Jewish. [laughter] Um, yeah. >> To sound more seem to sound more. >> Do you think I'm not anti-semitic? Do you think they're anti >> uh I certainly um uh I

hope so because they're they're being occupied by the Jewish state, the ethnosuppreist Jewish state, the apartheid racist ethnosuppreist Jewish state. So yeah, would see it would make it would be almost crazy if they weren't >> like, >> yeah, don't you agree? >> I totally understand it. But I'm saying this also Egypt, like Egypt started the occupation in 1948 and they continue it to this day in some places more harsh than Israel. >> Really? What? Really? >> That's I I'm learn I'm learning. >> Did Did you know they started it in 1948? >> I didn't didn't

know that. I'm learning. This is good information. >> Yeah. So in 1948 there was a war of independence the Nagba and then Israel Egypt had Gaza for 19 years um and they brutally occupied them. There was a whole military occupation. >> So is that what you call the Nagba? The war for independence. Is that what you call it? >> You can call it that if you want. You can call it Nagba wherever pleases you. >> What is what was the Nagba? Akba is Arabic for catastrophe for the 700,000 Palestinians who are displaced. >> Yeah. But

what what does it refer to >> it? What in in Israel? >> The war of independence. >> Yes. >> The war of independence. Yeah. >> Let's see. You know what? Let me uh >> wh why? Well, >> so where do you that that So that's Wow, that is really funny to me. >> How come? I mean, >> uh, let me just see what >> because the Nagpa refers to the slaughter of 750,000 Palestinians taken off their land, out of their houses, and then slaughtered. A lot of them were slaughtered. A lot of them were then

put into concentration camps. >> I've never had >> uh they were certainly uh uh physically at the point of a gun removed from their homes. That's what the Nagba was. 750,000 Palestinians. But you call it a war for independence. Is it the same thing with America? You'd call 24 49 years ago I think it is. You'll call it independent. Although you just said it was a genocide of the Native Americans. >> Um is and by the way 750,000 weren't slaughtered or most of them weren't slaughtered. Most of them were >> I called it a genocide.

>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You also call that you call what happened in America genocide and but you also call it an independence day, won't you? Uh so just if you go to Google it says the Nagba refers to uh the mass displacement dispossession of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians during and after the 1948 war which coincided with the establishment of the state of Israel. From late 1947 through 49 at least 750,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled from their homes. >> Yeah. becoming refugees. Uh the Zionist forces and the new Israeli army destroyed and

depopulated more than 500 Palestinian villages and urban centers and thousands of Palestinians were killed in massacres. >> Yep. >> That's that's what we refer to as the war of independence. >> Just like you'd call America the day of independence also. Yes. The fourth >> you got you you got a funny you have a you got a funny definition of war of independence. Just like I would call America what? >> Wouldn't you say? I think it's the 4th of July. Won't you say that? Sto a day of independence. >> Yeah, that was our war of independence

against uh Britain. That was against the king. That's what that was. >> Okay. Um >> that wasn't against the native. That wasn't our war of independence against the native population. That our war of independence was against uh the king of England. >> Yeah. So how I mean do you know how many Jews were displaced in the war of in the Nagba? Do you know how many Jews were displaced then? You mean you mean how many Jews displaced other Jews? >> How many Arabs were dis How many Jews were displaced by Arabs and Palestinians? >> So

they won the war of independence or I didn't know this. >> Okay. Well, [laughter] so the the so I mean the 70,000 Jews were displaced. >> Okay. One of my one of my least favorite one of my least favorite thing. Eli, we've come to the end of our interview and just so you know, one of my least favorite things is to debate. I know Dave Smith likes to do it. Other people, Tucker, I don't like to debate Zionists. It's the same stupid [ __ ] arguments over and over. It's the same [ __ ] trying

to justify a [ __ ] genocide. It's that the ma the bloodthirsty lying warstarting [ __ ] Zionists that are cancer on this planet. I do not I I find no pleasure in debating someone pushing that [ __ ] point of view. So, we I I did uh allow you uh extra time. It's been an hour since >> Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. >> Uh good talking good talking to you, Eli. >> Good luck with your >> Thank you for your time. >> Okay, buddy. Take care. Nice to talk to you.