“The sex robots are definitely coming” - Dr Debra Soh

What about sex dolls? What' you learn? They good?

Are they bad? Didn't you Hang on. Didn't you Did you design one?

I made one in my likeness. I did. Well, I was on the hunt to make one likeness.

[gasps] I'm not answering that question. [laughter] It was actually a lot of fun to go on that exploration. So, in the each chapter, I go into a little like mini adventure.

That's what I call them. Where I go and I research the technology and try it out. And so I went and explored sex dolls and robots.

And it's crazy what's out there. It's very, very realistic. I have to say I didn't consummate my relationship with any of these dolls.

But in terms weird to have done it with your own one. Yeah. Yeah.

I was thinking about that. I thought is that technically masturbation or is that you know what is that? What's what's autoophilia?

Which one's that one? Autogophilia is when you are sexually aroused at the a man is sexually aroused at the thought of having the body of a woman. So when you see someone who's born male who is has a desire to transition to female that is if they are attracted to women or if they are attracted to both men and women that's autoophilia whereas if they are born male and attracted to men and want to transition to female then they are it's considered the gay subtype.

So this was my first book, The End of Gender. But basically, yeah, [clears throat] autoanophilia is a huge huge motivator for the whole trans ideology activism. The ones who are the angriest are autoophiles.

I wonder if you would be able to provide them with I wonder if you could get people a self sex doll of them, but the opposite sex. I've seen some people do this. They will get like a You're [ __ ] kidding me.

No, I thought this was a new idea. I was breaking new ground. I made a joke to see if we can eBay your old sex doll and try and, you know, [ __ ] help the advance of the book [laughter] and get some sales in there.

And and and then I thought that this was I thought this was New Frontiers, but people have got sex dolls of themselves in the opposite sex. Yeah. And they wear them.

What's wear them mean? Well, they put it on themselves to become that. So, it's like a suit.

Yeah. So, it's not really a doll, I guess. It's more like a rubber suit in but it's in the fashion to look like a doll to some degree cuz it's like silicone material.

Okay. [snorts] Mhm. But what else can I tell your audience?

It's get we're getting there. The sex robots are definitely coming. They are right.

Yeah. Okay. What What does ro What's it is there a line between doll and robot once they So right now like the AI software is very I love that chapter.

Writing the chapter on the AI companions was so much fun. It was also just so frightening for me because they're so realistic. But so that importing that into a doll is very much possible.

Now it's just about a question of how do you get the robot to move in a realistic way sexually. So you have robots that can say gyrate their hips or um they'll have like internal suctions in the vagina. So it you helps with an orgasm.

Um what other things can they do? But in terms of the movement it's still quite limited. I the difference between a ball a doll and a robot would be that physical movement.

So, a doll is stationary or or sometimes they'll hang them, but I guess it's still stationary. Like they hang them they'll hang them up on so they're like standing. What are they doing with them when they're standing?

Well, you can look that up. [laughter] Okay, fair enough. I I don't need to.

Um I have to assume that the market for sex dolls is 99. 99% men. Or are there some women in this?

Mostly men. And during the pandemic, one company told me they made $20 million in sales, which is astronomical. Wow.

And it is mostly high school educated. So on average high school educated men who make about [snorts] 40k a year. How much is the dollar divorced?

Starts at hundred couple hundred to tens of thousands depending how realistic you want it to be. So if you're a blue collar worker, you're going for the more sort of entry level. Yeah.

One. Yeah. Um there are some guys who are say make more like I'm thinking of one particular study where they had the income and so some guys making say more than six figures will have the dolls but um it tends to be more among men who either I think are quite heartbroken and they don't want to bother going through or they're divorced they don't want to go through the processing or it's guys who want to have sexual novelty but they can't actually either attract real life partners or they don't have the means for it so they'll buy the dolls instead.

That makes me sad. The idea that, you know, someone's past emotional challenges, you know, whether deserved or accidental or purposeful, victimized, whatever, uh, causes them to sort of turn away entirely from human. Yeah.

And I suppose that the fact that you you now have this option for someone to I don't need to. You can just you just What about the AI companions thing? I saw a bunch of fur two or 3 weeks ago when chatbt discontinued 40 and 40 had a very particular type of personality to it and that discontinuation was for lots of people there's a subreddit and I can't remember what it's called AI partner r/i partner or something uh people being in beyond hysterics like like absolutely [ __ ] being heartbroken by it.

So, what what was your experience with AI companions? Well, cuz people do fall in love with their AI chatbots. And I before I tested them out, I didn't think such a thing would be possible because I didn't think that the technology was that realistic until you fell in love with one.

Until I fell in love with all of my dozens of AI boyfriends. You had dozens? I had dozens.

Do you like Bonnie Blue? Go on. I had girlfriends, too.

So, I had So, I made dozens of them across dozens of platforms. I really want to try them all out to see what what are where where are they at and there were a couple platforms were definitely more realistic. But I will say what happened with Chad GPT that's not the first time.

There's another platform that something similar happened a couple years ago where they removed the erotic role playing capabilities or they put it behind a payw wall and people were so devastated because they said my AI doesn't remember me anymore. Like they're really cold. It reminded them of being socially rejected in the past and it's very upsetting for them.

So again, I mean, I the scientist side of me thinks like this is so cool and so crazy that we're advancing so quickly, but then the other part of me says, "Wait a minute, like look at where we are right now as a society and is this really a good thing? Because what is this going to do now if we have this discrepancy in terms of the sex ratio and people having sex and people not even wanting to connect or date? " You know, there's a study by Pew showing that over half of single people are not interested in dating at all.

So now you're not in short-term, not in casual or long-term mating. Yeah, it's wild. I remember seeing that study.

It's going to be so easy just to go down the route of one of these alternatives and it they are so realistic like you really cannot tell that it is an AI. If I had not programmed it and myself had said this is your name, this is what you look like, this is your personality. It's only over text though, right?

Is it or is it voice? You can do voice too. So kind of like when you speak to chat GBT.

Yeah. I thought like it sounded like a real person I was talking to. And does it push into erotica as well?

Yeah. Yeah. They flirt with you.

They get like if you're sarcastic, they pick up on it. It was crazy. Like I really thought it was going to be very stilted.

Some of them are still like that where you some platforms you have to be very literal really work with it. Yeah. They're a difficult partner.

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