CBC News: The National | Canada pushes OpenAI for answers after B.C. shooting

[ ♪♪♪ ] >> Erica: TONIGHT, CANADA'S AI MINISTER DEMANDS MORE FROM OPEN AI IN THE WAKE OF THE B. C. MASS SHOOTING.

>> THIS WAS A COLOSSAL HORRIFIC MISTAKE. >> Erica: THE ACCOUNT WAS SUSPENDED, BUT THE SHOOTER REMAINED ON THE PLATFORM. ARE THE NEW SAFETY RULES ENOUGH >> THERE'S A BUNCH OF MIXED EMOTIONS.

>> Erica: AS TUMBLER RIDGE GOES BACK TO SCHOOL. >>> NEW HEALTH GUIDANCE, ALL CANADIAN CHILDREN SHOULD HAVE THEIR CHOLESTEROL CHECKED. >> IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE TEST, YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN.

>> Erica: WHY DOCTORS RECOMMEND SCREENING COULD START AS YOUNG AS TWO. >> HASAN PIKER IS FLIPPING THE SCRIPT ON AMERICAN POLITICAL COMMENTARY. >> I DO WHAT CONSERVATIVE RADIO TALKSHOW HOSTS HAVE DONE FOR YEARS BUT AS A SOCIALIST.

>> Erica: HE'S POPULAR, POLARIZING AND NOW WEIGHING IN ON CANADA. WE SIT DOWN WITH THE THE CONTROVERSIAL ONLINE STREAMER IN THE BREAKDOWN. >> Announcer: FROM CBC NEWS, THIS IS "THE NATIONAL" WITH ERICA JOHNSON.

>> Erica: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. TONIGHT OTTAWA SAYS IT WILL BE GETTING ANSWERS STRAIGHT FROM THE C. E.

O. OF OPEN AI, THE COMPANY BEHIND ChatGPT UNDER INCREASED PRESSURE ABOUT ITS SAFETY POLICIES IN THE WAKE OF THE DEADLY TUMBLER RIDGE SHOOTING. OPEN AI REVEALED THAT THE SHOOTER'S USE OF THE CHAT BOT WENT FURTHER THAN PREVIOUSLY KNOWN, OPENING A SECOND ACCOUNT WHEN THE FIRST WAS FLAGGED AND QUIETLY SHUT DOWN.

THE COMPANY ONLY INFORMING LAW ENFORCEMENT AFTER THE SHOOTING. NOW THE MINISTER OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SAYS HE'S SEEKING A DETAILED PLAN FROM C. E.

O. SAM ALTMAN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF CANADIANS. OPEN AI SAYS IT'S ALREADY IMPROVED, BUT AS OLIVIA STEFANOVICH SHOWS US, SEVERAL CANADIAN LEADERS FROM OTTAWA TO B.

C. SAY THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. >> WE HAVE TO GO WAY BEYOND WAGGING A FINGER AT THEM.

>> Reporter: MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT ACROSS PARTY LINES ARE DEMANDING ACTION. >> THE FACT THAT ONLY COULD HAVE DONE IF ONLY THE RICH BAZ TARREDS IN THE AI INDUSTRY REPORT WHAT HAD THEY KNEW MAKES IT HARDER. >> Reporter: CANADA'S MINISTER FOR AI IS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE TOP, MEETING WITH OPEN AI'S C.

E. O. SAM ALTMAN NEXT WEEK SAY THE COMPANY HAS NOT DONE ENOUGH IN THE WAKE OF THE TUMBLER RIDGE MASS SHOOTING.

>> THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TRAGEDY IN TUMBLER RIDGE IS A LESSON. >> Reporter: OPEN AI SAYS IT'S ALREADY IMPROVED ITS SAFETY POLICIES AND WOULD HAVE REPORTED THE SHOOTER TO POLICE HAD THEY BEEN IN PLACE LAST YEAR, WHEN IT DETECTED TROUBLING POSTS INVOLVING GUN VIOLENCE AND BANNED THE ACCOUNT, BUT IN A LETTER TO THE MINISTER, THE COMPANY SAYS IT FOUND A SECOND ACCOUNT FROM THE SHOOTER AND THAT IT'S NOW WORKING WITH MENTAL HEALTH AND BEHAVIOURAL EXPERTS TO HELP ASSESS DIFFICULT CASES GOING FORWARD. >> OPEN AI IS -- HAS SAID THAT THEY'VE GOT A NEW SET OF RULES.

THERE NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENCY FOR CANADIANS. >> Reporter: IN A STATEMENT ISSUED FRIDAY, SOLOMON SAYS HE WANTS TO SEE A DETAILED PLAN ABOUT HOW HUMAN REVIEW DECISIONS ARE MADE, ESCALATION THRESHOLDS APPLIED AND HOW PRIVACY CONSIDERATIONS ARE BALANCED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. >> THIS WAS A COLOSSAL, HORRIFIC MISTAKE.

>> Reporter: B. C. PREMIER DAVID EBY ALSO PLANS TO DELIVER THAT MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO ALTMAN, IN A SEPARATE UPCOMING MEETING.

>> I WILL BE LOOKING FOR HIS SUPPORT FOR A NATIONAL STANDARD ACROSS CANADA, A NATIONAL THRESHOLD WHERE ALL AI COMPANIES MUST REPORT AND CLEAR CONSEQUENCES FOR IF THEY FAIL TO REPORT INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE PLANNING VIOLENCE. >> Reporter: SOLOMON WILL SEEK FURTHER CLARITY ON HOW OPEN AI CONDUCTS HUMAN REVIEWS AND WHETHER THAT PRACTICE WORKS WITH CANADIAN LAWS AND STANDARDS. HE PLANS TO MEET WITH OTHER MAJOR TECH PLATFORMS OPERATING WITHIN THE COUNTRY.

>> Erica: OLIVIA, THE GOVERNMENT IS ALSO CONSIDERING OTHER OPTIONS. >> Reporter: YES, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS CONSIDERING A SOCIAL MEDIA BAN FOR CHILDREN AND TEENS ALONG WITH REGULATIONS FOR AI CHAT BOTS. THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN A NEW VERSION OF THE ONLINE HARMS ACT AFTER IT FAILED TO BECOME LAW.

THE CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, IS BALANCING SECURITY WITH PERSONAL PRIVACY. >> Erica: THANKS FOR THIS. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH IN OTTAWA.

>>> MORE THAN TWO WEEKS AFTER THE SHOOTING, STUDENTS OF TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY ARE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL. JON HERNANDEZ NOW ON THE TRAUMA THAT CONFRONTS THEM AND THE WAY THE COMMUNITY IS SUPPORTING THEM. >> Reporter: IN TUMBLER RIDGE, B.

C. , THE GRIEF IS FAR FROM OVER, BUT A RETURN TO SOME FORM OF NORMAL HAS BEGUN. >> THERE'S A BUNCH OF MIXED EMOTIONS.

I GET IT. YOU CAN'T REALLY FORCE THE KIDS TO DO WHAT YOU WANT RIGHT NOW. >> Reporter: DENIS CAMPBELL GAVE HIS DAUGHTER QUINN A CHOICE TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

THE TUMBLER RIDGE STUDENTS WERE LAST THERE JUST OVER TWO WEEKS AGO AGO WHEN BULLETS RANG THROUGH THE HALLS. >> EVERY DOOR SLAMMING, SHE JUMPS. EVERY LITTLE CREAKING NOISE SHE'S HEARING, IT'S -- SHE'S WORRIED, RIGHT?

SHE HEARD IT ALL. >> Reporter: THE 12-YEAR-OLD STUDENT ONE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED KIDS WHO VOLUNTARILY RETURNED TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY FOR ONE CLASS ON FRIDAY. THE PROVINCE AND THE DISTRICT PUT UP A COLLECTION OF PORTABLES SO KIDS DON'T HAVE TO STEP INSIDE THE SAME BUILDING WHERE A SHOOTER KILLED FIVE STUDENTS AND AN EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANT.

>> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EARLY. DO YOU REALLY WANT YOUR KIDS TO HANG OUT AT HOME AND DO NOTHING AND BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? >> Reporter: THE MAKESHIFT HIGH SCHOOL OPENED FOR JUST A FEW HOURS ON THE GROUNDS OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

ALSO OPEN A BLOCK AWAY FROM WHERE THE SHOOTING OCCURRED. SECURITY GUARDS AND CAMERAS ARE INSTALLED AS STUDENTS GRADUALLY RETURN TO THE ROUTINE. >> NATURALLY AFTER A TRAUMATIC EVENT SUCH AS THIS ONE, PEOPLE WILL HAVE DAYS WHEN THEY'RE FEELING UP TO REGULAR ACTIVITIES AND DAYS THAT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT.

>> THE LAST TIME THAT THESE KIDS WERE BACK IN THAT SCHOOL OR NEAR THAT SCHOOL WAS WHEN THE SHOOTING OCCURRED. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE KIDS THAT ARE OPENLY CRYING. BUT YOU'LL ALSO HAVE KIDS THAT WANT TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

>> Reporter: THIS TRAUMA EXPERT SAYS IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PARENTS TO LET THEIR KIDS MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES, BUT PROVIDING A PLACE FOR THEM TO BE TOGETHER CAN HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD. >> WE DON'T HEAL IN ISOLATION. WE HEAL IN TOGETHERNESS.

>> Reporter: THE TEMPORARY SCHOOL IS EXPECTED TO EXPAND IN THE COMING WEEKS WITH ROOM FOR MORE KIDS IF THEY'RE WILLING AND ABLE TO RETURN. JON HERNANDEZ, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER. >> Erica: PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY IS IN INDIA TONIGHT AHEAD OF MEETINGS TO STRENGTHEN TRADE TIES BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES.

AS CATHERINE CULLEN TELLS US FROM MUMBAI, THE TALKS COME AFTER YEARS OF POLITICAL TENSION. >> Reporter: THE PRIME MINISTER HAS COME TO INDIA LOOKING TO REWRITE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH A BIG EMPHASIS ON INVESTMENT AND TRADE. SASKATCHEWAN'S PREMIER HAS TRAVELLED WITH HIM, HOPEFUL CANADA IS MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME WITH INDIA.

>> AND I WOULD SAY FROM A TRADE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'VE FALLEN BEHIND A NUMBER OF OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. >> THIS WAS A BIG RE-SET. >> Reporter: INDIA IS KEEN TOO.

THE HIGH COMMISSIONER SAYS HIS COUNTRY WANTS A LOT OF WHAT CANADA IS SELLING, PARTICULARLY ENERGY, FROM NUCLEAR TO OIL AND GAS. >> ENERGY THAT IS APPETITE TO WHICH EVEN CANADA CANNOT FULFILL AND WE'RE WILLING TO BUY WHATEVER CANADA IS OFFERING ON CRUDE, L. N.

G. , LPG. >> Reporter: A FAR CRY FROM RECENT YEARS WHEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S AWKWARD VISIT TO 2023 ALLEGATIONS INDIAN AGENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THE MURDER OF A SIKH ACTIVIST IN B.

C. , BUT CARNEY HAS MADE IT CLEAR HE WANTS TO DEFROST THE RELATIONSHIP AND JUMP START TRADE TALKS. >> INDIA IS THE MOST POPULACE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

IT'S THE FOURTH LARGEST ECONOMY IT'S THE FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY AND IMPORTANT GEOPOLITICAL ACTOR. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DIVERSIFY NON-U. S.

EXPORTS, INDIA HAS TO BE A CRITICAL PART OF THAT PUZZLE. >> Reporter: SASKATCHEWAN'S PREMIER IS HOPEFUL A NEW PIPELINE TO CANADA'S WEST COAST COULD BE PART OF THE ANSWER. >> I WOULD SUGGEST WE AS CANADIANS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE AND DISPLACE SOME OF THE DIRTIER FORMS OF ENERGY, SOME OF THE MORE UNETHICAL FORMS OF ENERGY.

>> Reporter: BUT QUESTIONS HANG OVER THE SECURITY RELATIONSHIP AFTER ONE FEDERAL OFFICIAL TOLD JOURNALISTS THE VIOLENCE AND REPRESSION HAS STOPPED. ACTIVISTS FROM CANADA'S SIKH COMMUNITY INSISTS THE INTIMIDATION CONTINUES. >> THE 800-POUND GORILLA.

IT'S THE ISSUE THAT COULD DERAIL THIS RE-SET. >> Reporter: GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS INSIST THERE IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT SECURITY RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE TALK OF TRADE. CARNEY IS BEGINNING HIS TRIP HERE IN THE COUNTRY'S BUSINESS CAPITAL.

ON MONDAY IN NEW DELHI HE'LL MEET WITH INDIA'S PRIME MINISTER. CATHERINE CULLEN, CBC NEWS, MUMBAI. >> Erica: CHINA IS SUSPENDING TARIFFS ON SOME CANADIAN AGRICULTURAL AND SEAFOOD IMPORTS SET TO BEGIN THIS WEEKEND.

IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR FARMERS AND FISHERIES, BUT AS CAMERON MACINTOSH SHOWS US, THERE'S STILL HOPE FOR A BROADER LIST OF EXPORTS TO BE INCLUDED. >> Reporter: AS LAST FALL'S CANOLA CROP CAME OFF THE FIELDS, PLENTY OF TREPIDATION OVER CHINESE TARIFFS. MOST OF THAT CANOLA IS STILL IN THE BIN.

BUT NOW, FRESH HOPE AS CHINA PREPARES TO DROP SOME TARIFFS. >> WHAT IT GOES TO SHOW IS BOTH COUNTRIES ARE OBVIOUSLY BEING SERIOUS. THIS IS THE START OF WHAT I HOPE IS BASICALLY RELIEF OF TARIFFS ON EVERYTHING.

>> Reporter: LAST YEAR, CHINA SLAPPED A 100% TARIFF ON CANOLA MEAL AND 78% ON CANOLA SEEDS FOR OIL FREEZING ABOUT $5 BILLION IN TRADE FOR CANADIAN CANOLA PRODUCERS. LAST MONTH, THE PRIME MINISTER CUT A DEAL TO GET THE TARIFFS DROPPED BY MARCH 1ST. IN EXCHANGE, CANADA WILL ALLOW SOME CHINESE EVs.

FOR NOW, CHINA SAYS IT'S ELIMINATING THE CANOLA MEAL TARIFF, AND WHILE THE GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY ALSO EXPECT IT WILL SOON REDUCE TARIFFS ON CANOLA SEEDS. THE BULK OF CANOLA EXPORTS TO CHINA. >> THERE'S REASON FOR OPTIMISM.

OUR GOAL AND IN CANOLA'S CASE IS TO RE-ESTABLISH THE COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR PRODUCTS IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT MARKET, OUR SECOND LARGEST MARKET. >> Reporter: TARIFFS ON CANADIAN LOBSTERS AND PEAS ARE ALSO BEING REDUCED. THERE ARE OUTSTANDING TARIFFS ON PORK.

>> WE'RE SEEING GOOD NEWS ON CANOLA. BUT WE STILL NEED TO SEE A BIT MORE WORK ON THE PORK SIDE. >> A LOT OF CANADIANS SEE CHINA AS THE -- AS CANADA'S NUMBER ONE THREAT.

>> Reporter: BUT SAY ANALYSTS FOR AN EXPORTING COUNTRY, CHINA IS TOO BIG TO IGNORE. >> YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF FILLING STOMACHS, IT'S HARD TO OVERLOOK CHINA AND INDIA. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

>> Reporter: IT MEANS BALANCING THE AGRICULTURAL SECTOR AGAINST THE AUTO SECTOR. THAT'S NOT LOST ON HAR >> I THINK THIS GOVERNMENT IS PAYING ATTENTION TO US. >> Reporter: THE DEAL FOR NOW IS ONLY GOOD UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

WHICH MEANS FOR THE NEXT CANOLA CROP TO BE PLANTED THIS SPRING, THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES. CAMERON MACINTOSH, CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG. >> Erica: IN WASHINGTON, FORMER U.

S. PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON WAS QUESTIONED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS FOR SIX HOURS ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN. AS PAUL HUNTER SHOWS US, CLINTON DENIED ANY WRONGDOING RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.

>> Reporter: AS BILL CLINTON'S MOTORCADE SPED TOWARDS THE CLOSED DOOR HEARING IN CHAPPAQUA NEW YORK, IT WAS CLEAR THE FORMER PRESIDENT WANTED HIS MESSAGE ON JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO BE OUT THERE. HIS OPENING STATEMENT PUBLISHED FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. I SAW NOTHING, IT SAID, OF EPSTEIN'S CRIMES AND I DID NOTHING WRONG.

REPUBLICANS LED THE QUESTION FORCE CLINTON ON EPSTEIN ALL DAY. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PHOTOS THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AS WELL AS THE EPSTEIN ESTATE. THERE ARE A LOT OF eMAIL CORRESPONDENCE INCLUDING PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON.

>> Reporter: AMONG THE MILLIONS OF NOW PUBLIC FILES ON THE LATE BILLIONAIRE SEX TRAFFIC EPSTEIN ARE COUNTLESS PHOTOS, eMAILS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS INCLUDING THOSE OF CLINTON WITH EPSTEIN, FRIENDS IN THE 1990s AND EARLY 2000s, SAYS CLINTON LONG BEFORE EPSTEIN'S CRIMES WERE KNOWN. A HANDFUL SHOW CLINTON ALONGSIDE UNIDENTIFIED WOMEN. THIS ONE IN A HOT TUB.

AND FLIGHT LOGS SIGNAL CLINTON FLEW ON EPSTEIN'S PRIVATE JET MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT. FROM CLINTON'S OPENING STATEMENT, I HAD NO IDEA OF THE CRIMES EPSTEIN WAS COMMITTING. NO MATTER HOW MANY PHOTOS YOU SHOW ME.

AND HE DEFENDED HIS WIFE, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON WHO HAD BEEN QUESTIONED FOR HOURS THE DAY BEFORE. I HAVE TO GET PERSONAL HE WROTE YOU MADE HILLARY COME IN. SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN.

NOTHING. INCLUDING HER IN THIS WAS SIMPLY NOT RIGHT. FOR DEMOCRATS, THE BIG TAKEAWAY WAS SIMPLY THAT CLINTON WAS CALLED TO DO THIS, SETTING PRECEDENT THEY SAY FOR DONALD TRUMP TO NOW BE CALLED.

HIS NAME IS IN THE EPSTEIN FILES NEARLY 40,000 TIMES. >> THIS IS NOT A HOAX. HE'S NOT BEEN EXONERATED AND WE HAVE SERIOUS QUESTIONS FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> Reporter: AS WITH CLINTON, THERE'S BEEN NO PUBLIC EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING BY TRUMP. ASKED FOR HIS THOUGHTS ON CLINTON'S DEPOSITION? >> President Donald Trump: THEY CERTAINLY WENT AFTER ME.

A LOT MORE THAN THAT. I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T LIKE IT.

I LIKE HIM. I DON'T LIKE SEE HIM DEPOSED. >> Reporter: SAID CLINTON AGAIN IN THE OPENING STATEMENT, NO PERSON IS ABOVE THE LAW, EVEN PRESIDENTS, ADDING ESPECIALLY PRESIDENTS, ERICA.

. >> Erica: THERE'S WORD ON PRESSURE OF ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S CABINET SECRETARIES REGARDING EPSTEIN. >> HIS COMMERCE SECRETARY HOWARD LUTNICK, A KEY PROMOTER OF U.

S. TARIFFS WOULD DO WHATEVER HE HAD TO SAY IF SUBPOENAED BY THE COMMITTEE. LUTNICK ONCE SAID HE'D CUT TIES WITH EPSTEIN BEFORE HIS CRIMES WERE KNOWN BUT HE AND HIS FAMILY VISITED EPSTEIN'S PRIVATE ISLAND.

TRUMP SAYING LUTNICK IS A VERY INNOCENT GUY. >> Erica: PAUL HUNTER IN WASHINGTON TONIGHT. >>> DONALD TRUMP SAYS THE U.

S. IS IN TALKS WITH HAVANA AND SUGGESTED CUBA COULD END UP UNDER U. S.

U. S. CONTROL.

>> President Donald Trump: MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A FRIENDLY TAKEOVER OF CUBA. WE COULD HAVE A FRIENDLY TAKEOVER OF CUBA. >> Erica: HE DIDN'T CLARIFY WHAT HE MEANT BY FRIENDLY TAKEOVER.

CUBA IS IN THE THROES OF AN ENERGY CRISIS AFTER THE U. S. SEIZURE OF VENEZUELA'S OIL CUT OFF THE ISLAND OF ITS MAIN SOURCE.

TRUMP ALSO SOUNDED OFF ON THE PROSPECT OF AN ATTACK ON IRAN. >> President Donald Trump: WE HAVEN'T MADE A FINAL DECISION. WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY THEY NEGOTIATED.

THEY CAN NOT HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. LOOK, WE HAVE THE GREATEST MILITARY ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE.

I'D LOVE NOT TO USE THEM, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO. >> Erica: THE U. S.

MILITARY BUILD-UP IN THE REGION IS THE LARGEST IN DECADES, INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF AIRCRAFT, TWO CARRIER GROUPS AND SEVERAL DESTROYERS. TALKS BETWEEN IRAN AND THE U. S.

HAVE NOT PRODUCED A DEAL. AND SOME CANADIAN AND U. S.

EMBASSY STAFF IN THE REGION ARE BEING PULLED OUT. HOWEVER, THE U. S.

SECRETARY OF STATE ANNOUNCED A VISIT TO ISRAEL EARLY NEXT WEEK. >>> A SIMMERING CONFLICT BETWEEN PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN HAS BOILED OVER IN WHAT PAKISTAN'S DEFENCE MINISTER CALLS AN OPEN WAR. BRIAR STEWART EXPLAINS WHAT'S DRIVING THE CONFLICT.

>> Reporter: EXPLOSIONS THAT GO THROUGH THE MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN BETWEEN AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. PAKISTANI RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE AREA SAID ESCALATING CLASHES THURSDAY EVENING FORCED MANY TO TAKE SHELTER. SOME STAYED WITH RELATIVES, HE SAID, ADDING OTHERS SHELTERED IN HOSPITALS.

THEN, IN THE EARLY HOURS ON FRIDAY, PAKISTAN'S MILITARY RESPONDED, LAUNCHING AIR STRIKES ON TALIBAN MILITARY SITES IN KANDAHAR PROVINCE AND IN THE CAPITAL KABUL. WHERE ANXIOUS RESIDENTS WERE LEFT TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE DAMAGE. PAKISTAN'S DEFENCE MINISTER SAID THE COUNTRY'S PATIENCE HAD RUN OUT AND NOW THERE WILL BE AN OPEN WAR.

>> ALL THESE TARGETS WERE VERY CAREFULLY SELECTED BASED ON INTELLIGENCE. THEY'RE MILITARY TARGETS. >> Reporter: PAKISTANI OFFICIALS CLAIM THAT THE STRIKES KILLED NEARLY 300 TALIBAN OFFICIALS AND MILITANTS.

AFGHANISTAN'S TALIBAN RUN GOVERNMENT DISPUTES THAT FIGURE ADDING THAT SOME CIVILIANS WERE AMONG THE CASUALTIES. WHAT EXPERTS CALL AN ESCALATING TIT FOR TAT WAGED BETWEEN TWO FORMER ALLIES, PAKISTAN ACCUSES AFGHANISTAN OF HARBOURING MILITANT AND FUELING DOMESTIC TERRORISM IN PAKISTAN BY SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN GROUP THERE. AFGHANISTAN DENIES THAT.

>> THE TROUBLE IS YOU HAVE THIS ESCALATORY MATTER THAT EACH IS CLIMBING AND THE FEAR IS THAT WE MIGHT BE BLINDLY TUMBLING INTO AN OPEN WAR. >> Reporter: IBRAHIM BARHIS WOKE UP TO THE SOUND OF EXPLOSIONS OVERNIGHT IN KABUL. >> I THINK THERE'S -- AFGHANISTAN HAS SEEN DECADES OF CONFLICT.

>> Reporter: HE SAYS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, AFGHANS HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER A PRECARIOUS PEACE. BUT THAT COULD BE COMPLETELY SHATTERED IF THE VIOLENCE ESCALATES FURTHER. BRIAR STEWART, CBC NEWS, LONDON >> Erica: SOME SAD NEWS TONIGHT FROM THE ENTERTAINMENT WORLD.

NEIL SEDAKA, THE VOICE BEHIND A SLEW OF 60s AND 70s HITS HAS DIED. ♪ I HEAR LAUGHTER IN THE RAIN ♪ >> Erica: THE AMERICAN SHOT TO FAME BEHIND SONGS LIKE CALENDAR GIRL AND LATER IN HIS CAREER LAUGHTER IN THE RAIN. IN A STATEMENT, HIS FAMILY CALLED HIM A TRUE ROCK & ROLL LEGEND AND AN INCREDIBLE HUMAN BEING.

IT DIDN'T SAY HOW HE DIED. NEIL SEDAKA WAS 86. >>> THERE ARE NEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHOLESTEROL SCREENING IN CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS TWO.

>> HOPEFULLY WHEN I'M 40, 50, I'LL BE AT THE SAME STAGE AS SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE NOT CAUGHT IT. >> Erica: THE PUSH TO CATCH A GENETIC CONDITION THAT COULD BE TREATED EARLY NEXT. >>> PLUS, THOUSANDS OF JOBS BEING CUT AT FINANCIAL TECH COMPANY BLOCK.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EXACTLY KNOWS HOW CAPABLE AI IS GOING TO BE EVEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. >> Erica: JUST HOW MUCH OF THE JOB CUTTING IS REALLY DUE TO AI? >>> AND NEW YORKERS GET CREATIVE AFTER AN HISTORIC BLIZZARD.

>> IT REALLY MADE US FEEL LIKE PART OF A COMMUNITY THAT YOU DON'T ALWAYS FEEL IN A CITY. >> Erica: HOW THE SNOW STORM BROUGHT THE CITY TOGETHER. WE'RE BACK IN TWO.

>> ON THE DOORSTEP. THEY SCORE! TYLER McGREGOR.

>> Erica: PARA HOCKEY CAPTAIN TYLER McGREGOR IS NAMED AS ONE OF CANADA'S TWO FLAG BEARERS FOR THE MILANO-CORTINA PARALYMPIC GAMES. THE ONTARIO NATIVE WILL BE JOINED BY B. C.

'S NATALIE WILKIE, CANADA'S PARA NORDIC SKIING STAR. COMBINED, MECHANIC GREGOR AND WILKIE HAVE WON 10 PREVIOUS PARALYMPIC MEDALS. >> NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE CANADIAN PEDIATRIC SOCIETY RECOMMENDS ALL KIDS BE TESTED FOR HIGH CHOLESTEROL.

THE SCREENING COULD START AS EARLY AS AGE TWO. LAUREN PELLEY EXPLAINS WHY IT COULD HELP AVOID SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES LATER IN LIFE. >> Reporter: HEALTHY EATING IS IMPORTANT TO THIS EDMONTON FAMILY.

MIKE HEATHCOTE HAS A GENETIC CONDITION THAT CAUSED BAD CHOLESTEROL TO BUILD UP IN HIS ARTERIES AND IT'S PASSED ON TO HIS TWO KIDS. >> THEY HAD A HEALTHY ACTIVE LIFESTYLE. NORMAL KIDS.

IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE TESTS YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN. >> Reporter: SIMPLE BLOOD WORK TO SCREEN FOR HIGH CHOLESTEROL GIVING HEATHCOTE A CHANCE TO GET ON STATIN MEDICATION EARLY TO PROTECT THEM FROM HEART DISEASE LATER IN LIFE. >> HOPEFULLY WHEN I'M 40, 50, I WILL BE AT THE SAME STAGE AS SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE NOT CAUGHT IT.

>> Reporter: THE CANADIAN PEDIATRIC SOCIETY IS NOW CALLING FOR ALL CANADIAN CHILDREN TO BE SCREENED FOR HIGH CHOLESTEROL BETWEEN THE AGES OF TWO AND 10 YEARS OLD. RESEARCHERS SAY ONE IN 300 CANADIANS HAVE FAMILIAL HYPERCHOLESTEROLEMIA OR SH, A GENETIC CONDITION THAT CAUSES LIFELONG ELEVATIONS IN BLOOD CHOLESTEROL STARTING IN CHILDHOOD. FOR NINE AND 10 PEOPLE WITH SH, THE CONDITION IS UNDIAGNOSED.

>> IF WE DON'T TREAT IT, THE RISK FOR EARLY HEART ATTACKS AND STROKES IS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED IN THESE INDIVIDUALS. >> Reporter: TREATMENT RANGES FROM DIET AND LIFESTYLE CHANGES TO LIFELONG MEDICATION. >> IT IS EASY TO DIAGNOSE AND EASY TO TREAT AND WE SIMPLY ARE MISSING IT.

>> SOMETIMES IF WE'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL, WE CAN ACTUALLY REVERSE DISEASE BEFORE THEY BECOME ACTUAL PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE TO MEDICATE PEOPLE FOR. >> Reporter: SOME COUNTRIES ALREADY HAVE WIDESPREAD SCREENING PROGRAMS. BUT DOCTORS HERE WARN IT COULD BE CHALLENGING TO TRY TO GET MORE CHILDREN TO HAVE THEIR BLOOD DRAWN.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO DO. THEY'RE NOT READILY AVAILABLE IN CLINICS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. CHILDREN DON'T LIKE GETTING THEIR BLOOD TAKEN.

>> Reporter: STILL THIS FAMILY SAYS IT'S WORTH IT. >> THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO TAKE THE TEST. >> Reporter: AND ONE GOOD REASON TO HAVE IT DONE, STAYING HEALTHY FOR YEARS TO COME.

LAUREN PELLEY, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >> Erica: AMERICAN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR HASSAN PIKER IS OUTSPOKEN AND CONTROVERSIAL. >> I OF COURSE WAS ALWAYS CRITICAL OF AMERICAN INTERVENTION, BUT I THINK NOW MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THAT CONCLUSION AS WELL.

>> Erica: WHY HIS VOICE IS RESONATING HERE IN CANADA, TOO. >>> AND AN ONTARIO COUPLE DISCOVERED ANCESTRAL INDIGENOUS REMAINS ON THEIR PROPERTY. >> I THINK WE FIRST REALIZED WE WERE IN TROUBLE WHEN WE WERE TOLD IT COULD BE 3, 50, 80,000.

>> Erica: WHY THEY'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. "THE NATIONAL" BREAKS DOWN THE STORIES SHAPING OUR WORLD NEXT. >> WE DIDN'T GO RIGHT TO APOLLO 11.

WE HAD A WHOLE MERCURY, GEMINI, LOTS OF APOLLO MISSIONS BEFORE WE ULTIMATELY LANDED. >> Erica: NASA IS CORRECTING COURSE ON ITS ARTEMIS MOON LANDING PROGRAM. THE AGENCY ANNOUNCED FRIDAY IT WILL DELAY ITS PLAN TO TOUCH DOWN ON THE MOON NEXT YEAR.

INSTEAD, USING THE ARTEMIS MISSION TO TEST A LUNAR LANDER IN ORBIT AROUND EARTH. IT COMES JUST DAYS AFTER THE ARTEMIS II ROCKET RETURNED TO ITS FLORIDA HAN GARR FOR MORE REPAIRS. >> ANOTHER U.

S. -BASED TECHNICAL COMPANY IS LAYING OFF. BLOCK CHOPPED NEARLY HALF ITS WORK FORCE, ROUGHLY 4,000 JOBS CITING AI.

BUT AS NISHA PATEL EXPLAINS, THE ACTUAL IMPACT OF AI ON TECH JOBS IS HARD TO MEASURE. >> Reporter: BLOCK, BEHIND PAYMENT PLATFORM SQUARE, IS CUTTING 4,000 JOBS, NEARLY HALF ITS WORK FORCE. IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW MANY CANADIAN EMPLOYEES MIGHT BE AFFECTED.

IN A CALL TO INVESTORS C. E. O.

JACK DORSEY BLAMED AI. >> INTELLIGENCE TOOLS HAVE CHANGED WHAT IT MEANS TO BUILD AND RUN A COMPANY. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IT INTERNALLY.

A SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER TEAM USING THE TOOLS WE'RE BUILDING CAN DO MORE AND BETTER. >> Reporter: DORSEY BELIEVES THE MAJORITY OF COMPANIES WILL ALSO MOVE TO RE-STRUCTURE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. OTHERS ALREADY HAVE.

IN RECENT MONTHS, AMAZON, MICROSOFT, IBM, META AND PINTEREST ALL LAID OFF WORKERS. CITING VARIOUS REASONS, SOME CLAIMING AI WILL ALLOW BUSINESSES TO DO MORE WITH LESS. BUT SOME EXPERTS SUGGEST COMPANIES ARE TRIMMING HEAD COUNTS BASED ON AI'S POTENTIAL NOT ITS CURRENT PERFORMANCE.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EXACTLY KNOWS JUST HOW CAPABLE AI IS GOING TO BE EVEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE MUCH LESS THE DISTANT FUTURE. >> Reporter: AFTER MANY CORPORATIONS STAFFED UP DURING THE PANDEMIC, AI COULD ALSO BE AN EASY COVER FOR COST-CUTTING. >> IT DOESN'T SOUND SO GOOD TO SAY WE OVERHIRED AND ARE GETTING RID OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IT SOUNDS BETTER SAYING AI IS COMING. >> Reporter: THE INDUSTRY IS SHIFTING RAPIDLY AND AI IS INCREASINGLY TAKING ON TASKS TRADITIONALLY DONE BY YOUNGER WORKERS. >> IT'S GOING TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO RE-INVENT THE ENTRY LEVEL ROLE, BUT COMPANIES STILL NEED A JUNIOR TEAM TO GROW INTO THE MORE SENIOR PARTS OF THE BUSINESS.

>> THE FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS, PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD COMMUNICATORS, FAST LEARNERS, GOOD WITH MUTUALS AND TECHNOLOGIES, THAT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED. >> Reporter: SOME COMPANIES THAT REPLACED WORKERS WITH AI LAST YEAR SAY AGGRESSIVE JOB CUTS WENT TOO FAR AND RETURNED TO HIRING HUMANS FOR SOME ROLES. NISHA PATEL, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.

>> Erica: NOW IT'S TIME TO DIG DEEPER INTO THE STORIES SHAPING OUR WORLD. THE COST AND CONSEQUENCES WHEN LAND YOU PURCHASE BECOMES AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE. >> I TRULY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HOMEOWNERS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

>> Erica: AN ONTARIO COUPLE SAYS THEY'RE IN LIMBO AFTER THE ANCESTRAL REMAINS OF A MAN ESTIMATED TO BE OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OLD WERE FOUND ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT FIRST. .

. >> I'M A SOCIALIST ANTI-IMPERIALIST. >> Erica: WILDLY POPULAR ON THE U.

S. LEFT, REVILED ON THE RIGHT, HASAN PIKER BRINGS HIS POLITICAL TAKE TO A CANADIAN AUDIENCE. >> AS YOU LOOK TO THE FUTURE OF AMERICA, WHAT DOES ITS RELATIONSHIP LOOK LIKE WITH ITS NEIGHBOUR, PARTICULARLY WITH CANADA?

>> NOT VERY GOOD. >> Erica: HOW THE TWITCH STREAMER HAS BECOME PART OF THE VAST AMERICAN POLITICAL DIVIDE. I SAT DOWN WITH HASAN PIKER.

HASAN PIKER IS ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST POPULAR POLITICAL COMMENTATORS ON THE LEFT ESPECIALLY AMONGST YOUNGER PEOPLE. >> HE HAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE AFFORDABILITY IS A REAL ISSUE. >> Erica: HE SPENDS HIS DAYS ONLINE AND SHARES HIS THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS WITH MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS ON TWITCH, A LIVE STREAMING SERVICE.

COMMENTATOR, INTERVIEWER AN SOMETIMES REPORTER. AND WHILE PIKER IS NOT A HOUSEHOLD NAME IN CANADA, HIS VIEWS ON TOPICS LIKE SOCIALISM, ZIONISM AND IMPERIALISM DREW A CROWD WHEN HE CAME FOR THE FIRST TIME EARLIER THIS WEEK MONTH DELIVERING A TALK AT THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA. [ Cheering ] >> STICKING UP FOR MARGINALIZED FOLKS.

>> I THINK HE HAS A GREAT WORLD VIEW. >> HE CONSISTENTLY STANDS UP FOR TRANS-PEOPLE, QUEER COMMUNITIES, MINORITY GROUPS. >> Erica: HIS PRESENCE THOUGH NOT WITHOUT CONTROVERSY.

SEVERAL JEWISH GROUPS ACCUSE HIM OF ANTISEMITISM, LOBBIED FROM HAVING HIM BARRED FROM THE COUNTRY. PIKER WAS IN VANCOUVER AS PART OF A SPEAKER SERIES ON U. S.

POLICY WHEN WE SAT DOWN WITH HIM. SOME VIEWERS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TWITCH IS, WHAT STREAMING IS, WHAT DO YOU TO FOR A LIVING. WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> I DO WHAT CONSERVATIVE RADIO TALKSHOW HOSTS HAVE DONE FOR YEARS BUT AS A SOCIALIST. >> Erica: AND YOU'RE INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE THE WHOLE TIME. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

>> YEAH, SO I TRY TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH PARTICIPANTS. NO, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A FRACTURE OF THE PARTY. THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO FRACTURE IT'S LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO YELL AT THE TELEVISION, CBC, THE ANCHOR, HOPEFULLY NOT YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT AND THEN THE ANCHOR WOULD HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND SOMETIMES EVEN RESPOND.

>> Erica: SO YOU DO THIS LIVE STREAMING EIGHT HOURS A DAY, IDEALLY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WHAT DRIVES YOU? >> I REALIZED EARLY ON THAT I HAD THIS WORLD VIEW THAT I FELT LIKE WASN'T BEING ADDRESSED AT ALL IN MAINSTREAM OUTLETS.

SO I THOUGHT I'M GOING TO BE THE PERSON THAT WILL DO IT. >> Erica: WHAT IS YOUR WORLD VIEW? >> I'M A SOCIALIST ANTI-IMPERIALISM, ANTI-FASCIST, ANTIGEN SIDE AND, YEAH, THAT'S -- THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT.

>> Erica: MOST PEOPLE IN THE STREAMING SPACE ARE RIGHT-WING VOICES. >> PRAY ON THE SIDEWALKS. .

. >> ALL INSTITUTIONS TAKEN OVER. .

. >> COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES RUN BY LEFTISTS. >> Erica: YOU'RE THE OPPOSITE AND YET WILDLY POPULAR.

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> I THINK THE REASON I'M POPULAR IS I HAVE A COMMONLY HELD OPINION THAT OFTENTIMES DOESN'T GET ADDRESSED IN MAINSTREAM RESOURCES. >> Erica: YOU SPOKE TODAY TO A UBC AUDIENCE, SOLD OUT.

YOU CLEARLY RESONATE WITH SOME CANADIANS. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? YOU TALK MOSTLY ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS.

>> I THINK EVERYBODY AROUND THE WORLD AND ESPECIALLY PEOPLE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, LIKE CANADA, UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO AMERICAN POLITICS BECAUSE WHEN WE SNEEZE IN AMERICA, THE REST OF THE WORLD CATCHES A COLD. >> Erica: YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING OBVIOUSLY THE CANADA U. S.

RELATIONS AND HOW THEY SEEM TO BE HEADED SOUTH. TRUMP HAS INTRODUCED TARIFFS. HE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT MAKING CANADA THE 51st STATE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> IT'S NOT SURPRISING. TRUMP IS VERY VULGAR.

AND HE'S VERY VULGAR IN HIS IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF DONALD TRUMP WILL STOP. HE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRAINED IF THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO ANALYZE IT IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE GREENLAND DEBAUCLE.

WE HAVE TO KEEP HIM DISTRACTED LIKE A CHILD. >> Erica: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE RUMBLINGS FROM ALBERTA, TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO SEPARATE? >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND SEPARATISTS AT ALL.

AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN AMERICA, YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE NO HEALTH CARE THAT'S BACKED BY THE GOVERNMENT AT ALL. IT'S NOT GREAT. IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THE SAME EXACT SEPARATISM MOVEMENTS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN A WESTERN COUNTRY THAT'S SUCH A CLOSE ALLY TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR DECADES TO LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES, COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NOW IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE'RE DOING IT HAPHAZARDLY TO ONE OF OUR MOST LOYAL ALLIES IN THE NORTH. >> Erica: THERE SEEMS TO BE A CRACKDOWN ON FREE SPEECH HAPPENING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. WE SEE STUDENT PROTESTS.

WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS. JIMMY KIMMEL WAS TAKEN OFF THE AIR. DO YOU WORRY YOU COULD BE NEXT?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL BE HONEST, FOR PURELY SELFISH REASONS, AFTER CHARLIE KIRK WAS ASSASSINATED AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER LOOKING TO COME AFTER EVERY SINGLE MEDIA FIGURE, I THOUGHT I WOULD BE FIRST TO GO. >> Erica: YOU'RE A TARGET BECAUSE YOU SAY CONTROVERSIAL THINGS.

YOU HAVE A STRONG ANTI-ZIONIST STAND. YOU'VE BEEN CALLED ANTI-SEMITIC IN FACT, THE CENTRE FOR ISRAEL AND JEWISH AFFAIRS WANTED OUR GOVERNMENT TO BLOCK YOU FROM COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING YOU'RE ANTI-SEMITIC.

>> I THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE SMEAR ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I'VE SPENT MY PROFESSIONAL MEDIA CAREER COMBATING ANTISEMITISM AS AN AVOWED ANTI-ZIONIST. PEOPLE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SEE RIGHT FROM WRONG AND PEOPLE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN GAZA AND THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COURAGE THAT I AM NO LONGER AS ALONE AS I ONCE WAS. >> Erica: YOU ALSO SAID AFTER 9/11 AMERICA GOT WHAT IT DESERVED.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> THE THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE WAS OF COURSE ABOUT BLOWBACK. MUCH ACADEMIC CONSENSUS AROUND AMERICA'S DESIGNS IN THE MIDDLE EAST INEVITABLY LED TO A VERY VIOLENT REACTION THAT IS TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIABLE AS FAR AS THE VICTIMS OF IT.

>> Erica: WHEN YOU SAY THINGS LIKE THIS, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY PRE-PREMEDITATED. DO YOU REGRET IT? >> IT'S FAR WORSE IF I GET SOMETHING WRONG ON A FACTUAL BASIS THAN HAVE A MOMENT OF WEAKNESS THAT IS EITHER MISREPRESENTED OR IS NOT RECEIVED POSITIVELY BY THE BROADEST SUBSECT OF AMERICAN SOCIETY.

>> Erica: AMERICA AS YOU KNOW POLITICALLY IS VERY DIVIDED AND THAT POLARIZATION SEEMS TO BE GETTING DEEPER AND DEEPER. YOU HAVE SAID YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF TO BE A PROVOCATEUR. ARE YOU ADDING TO THE PROBLEM?

>> MAYBE. PROBLEM FOR THE BILLIONAIRE CLASS FOR SURE. BUT I DON'T THINK I'M NECESSARILY CREATING DECISIVE SIEVENESS BECAUSE MY ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO AU NIGHT PEOPLE ON A CLASS BASIS BECAUSE MANY OF THE DIVISIONS WE EXPERIENCE IN AMERICAN SOCIETY, RACISM, SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, INTOLERANCE OF DIFFERENT SORTS, I SEE THAT AS A WEAPON THAT THE CAPITAL OWNING CLASS WIELDS AGAINST THE WORKING CLASS.

>> Erica: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT POLARIZATION, WHAT IS A PATH BACK TO A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OR IS THERE ONE? >> ABSOLUTELY. SOMETHING I STRESS ALWAYS TO PEOPLE THAT MIGHT THINK TRANS-PEOPLE OR UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS ARE THE REASON WHY THEY'RE EXPERIENCING ALL THIS PAIN, THIS ECONOMIC PAIN, THE STRUGGLE IS THAT THEIR BOSSES ARE NOT TRANS-PEOPLE.

THEIR LANDLORD IS NOT AN UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT. THESE ARE FORCES OF CAPITAL THAT ARE PLAYING A MAJOR ROLE IN THEIR LIVES AND THAT THEY DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ORGANIZE, TENANT UNIONS FOR EXAMPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A MORE JUST PROCESS AND THAT KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT INITIATION OF TAKING POWER BACK IS VERY INSPIRING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. >> Erica: AS YOU LOOK TO THE FUTURE OF AMERICA, WHAT DOES ITS RELATIONSHIP LOOK LIKE WITH ITS NEIGHBOURS, PARTICULARLY WITH CANADA?

>> NOT VERY GOOD. I'LL BE HONEST. I THINK THAT WE ARE A PARASITIC FORCE ON THE PLANET IF I'M BEING VERY CRITICAL.

AMERICA'S ALWAYS BEEN A DOMINANT FORCE AROUND THE PLANET AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PRESENT OUR INTERVENTION AS A NECESSARY EVIL AT TIMES. I, OF COURSE, WAS ALWAYS CRITICAL OF AMERICAN INTERVENTION, BUT I THINK NOW MORE AN MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THAT CONCLUSION AS WELL ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY FIND THEIR CROSSHAIRS IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF AMERICAN ADVENTURISM. >> WHAT MESSAGE WOULD YOU HAVE FOR CANADA?

>> HEATED RIVALRY WAS AWESOME. >> Erica: DID YOU WATCH? >> YES, I DID.

IT WAS GREAT. WHAT MESSAGE DO I HAVE FOR CANADA? AS LONG AS YOU CONFIDE IN YOUR FELLOW MAN AND TRUST IN YOUR POWER, NO WORLD POWER CAN TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY.

>> Erica: HASAN PIKER WAS INVITED BY THE UBC SCHOOL OF PUBLIC POLICY AND GLOBAL AFFAIRS. >>> AN ONTARIO COUPLE SAYS A CENTURIES OLD FIND ON THEIR PROPERTY MIGHT RUIN THEIR FINANCES. >> THE REALITY IS OUR ENTIRE PROPERTY COULD BE DUG UP.

THIS COULD SWELL TO A MILLION DOLLARS. >> Erica: WHAT THE LAW SAYS AND WHAT HELP THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT'S NEXT.

[ ♪♪♪ ] >> Erica: THE DISCOVERY OF ANCESTRAL REMAINS BELIEVED TO BE OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OLD HAVE PUT AN ONTARIO COUPLE'S BUILDING PLANS ON HOLD. >> OKAY, WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE. HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS STOP?

HOW CAN WE AVOID THE SITUATION FOR THE NEXT HOMEOWNERS? >> Erica: IDIL MUSSA LOOKS AT WHAT THE LAW SAYS HAS TO HAPPEN AND WHO MUST PAY. >> Reporter: THEY TORE DOWN THE OLD HOME.

THE BEGINNINGS OF A BRAND NEW LAKE HOUSE. BUT THE PROJECT CAME TO A HARD STOP AFTER INDIGENOUS ANCESTRAL REMAINS WERE FOUND. >> EVERYTHING IN LIFE HAS A PIN IN IT.

WE DON'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. >> Reporter: CHRISTINE AND DAN RIAO BROUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 2020. >> REALLY FELT LIKE A GREAT PLACE TO GET AWAY.

A GREAT PLACE TO COTTAGE. WE'RE ALSO GETTING OLDER AND WE WERE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO RETIRE. >> Reporter: THEY GOT A PERMIT.

JUST DAYS IN, A FOREMAN CALLED. >> HE SAID WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM. HE SAID WE FOUND HUMAN REMAINS.

I WAS CALLED TO THE SCENE. >> Reporter: TANYA HILL MONTOUR IS AN ARCHAEOLOGIST WITH SIX NATIONS OF THE GRAND RIVER. HER GOAL, TO PROTECT INDIGENOUS REMAINS AND ARTIFACTS.

SHE'S ONE OF THE APPOINTED NEXT OF KIN FOR THE INDIGENOUS MAN FOUND ON THE PROPERTY WHO SHE BELIEVES IS AT LEAST A THOUSAND YEARS OLD. >> WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE NEXT STEPS OF RESPECTFULLY FOR THAT ANCESTOR. THAT'S A PERSON.

>> Reporter: A 2002 ONTARIO LAW TRIGGER WHAT HAD CAME NEXT. THEY WERE ORDERED BY ONTARIO'S REGISTRAR TO LAUNCH WHAT'S CALLED A BURIAL SITE INVESTIGATION. IT INVOLVES HIRING AN ARCHAEOLOGIST TO DETERMINE THE ORIGIN OF THE SITE AND HOW BEST TO LAY THE ANCESTOR TO REST.

THE OWNER OF THE LAND HAS TO PAY FOR IT. >> I THINK WE FIRST REALIZED WE WERE IN TROUBLE WHEN WE WERE TOLD BY THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE IT COULD BE 30 TO 50 OR 30 TO 80,000. WE HAD A MOMENT OF OH, MY GOD.

>> Reporter: AN INVESTIGATION IS HEFTY WORK. ONE QUOTE ESTIMATED 27 DAYS. A CREW OF SIX.

100 SQUARE METERS OF DIRT SIFTED THROUGH SCREENS AND LOCAL INDIGENOUS OVERSIGHT. THE TOTAL? $319,000.

IF MOE REMAINS OR ARTIFACTS ARE FOUND, THAT NUMBER COULD GROW. >> THE REALITY IS OUR ENTIRE PROPERTY COULD BE DUG UP TO FIND WHAT IT IS THEY'RE MAKING SURE THEY ADDRESS. IF THEY FIND MORE, THIS COULD SWELL TO A MILLION DOLLARS.

>> Reporter: THEY COULD REQUEST FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. IT DOESN'T, HOWEVER, INCLUDE CRITERIA ON HOW HOMEOWNERS QUALIFY. CHRISTINE AND DAN APPLIED TO THE REGISTRAR OVER A YEAR AGO FOR HELP.

THEY STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AND THE UNCERTAINTY IS TAKING ITS TOLL. DO YOU FEEL YOU'RE IN LIMBO? >> WE'RE IN LIMBO.

I SLEEP THREE, FOUR, FIVE HOURS A NIGHT. I WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.

>> WE HAVE NO IDEA OF THE TIMELINE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WE'RE ON PAUSE. >> I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE INVESTMENT OF MAN-HOURS SPENT TO GIVE US NO IDEA.

DO THEY KNOW WE DON'T SLEEP AT NIGHT? DO THEY KNOW WE WERE WE CRY ALL THE TIME? DO THEY KNOW -- IT'S WEIRD.

IT'S JUST -- >> Reporter: FOR MONTOUR, THE REASON FOR THE DELAY SEEMS CLEAR. >> IT'S A FINANCIAL BURDEN, SO COSTLY THAT NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT. I TRULY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HOMEOWNERS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORY COMES BEFORE THAT. >> Reporter: HILL MONTOUR SAYS THE WANE FLEET TOWNSHIP IS RIPE FOR DISCOVERIES. THEY HAVE HIGH ARCHAEOLOGICAL POTENTIAL, MEANING A STRONG LIKELIHOOD OF CONTAINING BURIED ARCHAEOLOGICAL REMAINS OR ARTIFACTS.

WANES FLEET DIDN'T NOTE THIS ON THE BUILDING PERMIT. HILL MONTOUR SAYS THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD HAVE WARNED THEM. >> THE AWARENESS WAS THERE.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THE AWARENESS WAS THERE OF THAT AREA. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN ISSUE A PERMIT?

>> I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO KNOW THEIR ANCESTORS ARE BURIED ON THE LAND. THE TOWNSHIP IS LIKE GO AHEAD AND BUILD. >> Reporter: CBC NEWS OBTAINED DOCUMENTS SHOWING AT LEAST A HUNDRED INDIGENOUS SITES WITHIN A SIX KILOMETRE RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY.

THE TOWNSHIP DECLINED AN ON CAMERA INTERVIEW. IN AN eMAIL, THEY SAID THEY'RE NEITHER QUALIFIED OR AUTHORIZED TO SPECULATE ON WHAT MAY EXIST BENEATH A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. >> HAVING THIS FAMILY'S PROBLEM IS EVERYBODY PASSING THE BUCK.

>> Reporter: SCOTT LILLY USED TO WORK WITH THE BEREAVEMENT AUTHORITY OF ONTARIO HAS INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE GOVERNMENT APPLIES THE LAW. HE SAYS IT'S TOO VAGUE. NOT GOOD HE SAYS FOR THE RATIOS' PLEA FOR FINANCIAL HELP.

>> I THINK THE REGISTRAR, JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, IS VERY HESITANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE ON A CASE LIKE THIS. AND THEREFORE IT'S ONE OF THESE WE'LL BURY OUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY. IT WON'T.

>> I DO RUN ON THE HAMSTER WHEEL. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S ACCOUNTABLE? HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS STOP, AVOID THIS SITUATION FOR THE NEXT HOMEOWNERS?

>> Reporter: IT'S NOT JUST AN ONTARIO PROBLEM. IN KAMLOOPS, B. C.

, A PROPERTY OWNER IS OUT TENS OF THOUSANDS AND COUNTING AFTER FINDING ANCESTRAL REMAINS ON THEIR LAND LAST MONTH. BUT HILL MONTOUR SAYS THERE'S MORE THAN MONEY AT STAKE. >> THERE'S A DOLLAR VALUE PUT TOWARDS OUR HERITAGE AND OUR ANCESTORS AND PRESERVATION.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THE NEXT PERSON VIEWS THIS AS, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM OR A FINANCIAL BURDEN? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR RECONCILIATION AND TRUTH. >> Reporter: HILL MONTOUR, MILLER AND THE RATIOS ARE CALLING FOR THE SAME THING.

NEW AND CLEAR RULES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS AND INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES. >> LET'S SIT DOWN AND REALLY MAKE A PLAN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO GOING FORWARD AND SO THERE WON'T BE PEOPLE COVERING UP REMAINS THEY FIND ON THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW THERE'S AN END. >> Reporter: CBC NEWS REACHED OUT TO ONTARIO'S REGISTRAR OF BURIALS MULTIPLE TIMES.

THEY SAID NO TO AN ON CAMERA INTERVIEW. THE MINISTRY OVERSEEING THE REGISTER STAR TOLD CBC IN AN eMAIL THAT THE APPLICATION FOR FINANCIAL HELP IS STILL IN PROGRESS AND DID NOT GIVE A TIMELINE FOR A DECISION. FOR NOW, THEY HAVE NOT STARTED THE DIG.

>> THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE TIMELINE, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY AND THAT'S THE MOST STRESSFUL AND EMOTIONAL ON OUR SIDE IS NOT KNOWING WHAT'S NEXT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. >> THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYBODY REGARDLESS OF YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION.

>> Reporter: FOR NOW, ALL THEY CAN DO IS WAIT. >> Erica: THE RAIOs TOLD US THEY'VE ASKED THE PROVINCE TO CONSIDER PURCHASING THEIR PROVINCE. THEY SAY THEY HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.

>>> COMING UP, NEW YORK CITY MADE THE MOST OUT OF AN HISTORIC BLIZZARD. >> IT WAS INCREDIBLY HEART-WARMING TO GET TO SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND JOIN IN. >> Erica: THEIR IMPRESSIVE SNOW MUSEUM NEXT IN OUR "MOMENT.

" >> Erica: YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CROWD OF NEW YORKERS AROUND ONE OF MANY SNOW SCULPTURES IN A BROOKLYN PARK. AFTER A BLIZZARD HIT THE CITY, THEY HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THE SNOW. TONIGHT THEIR CREATIONS MAKE OUR "MOMENT.

" >> WE HAD A FABULOUS SNOW STORM THIS PAST WEEK. THE SNOW WAS STILL LIGHTLY FALLING AND IT WAS A PERFECT WINTER WONDERLAND. EVERY 20 FEET THERE WAS A LITTLE GROUP OF PEOPLE BUILDING A SNOWMAN OR SNOW SCULPTURE, DESIGNING SOMETHING.

IT WAS LIKE A COUCH AND TV AND SIDE TABLES AND CHAIRS. IT WAS LIKE THE SNOW PONY THAT PEOPLE WERE RIDING. PEOPLE WERE BUILDING ARTISTIC THINGS ON TREES.

LIKE BUILDING UP TREES. >> OVER A HUNDRED SNOWMEN IN ONE LITTLE PARK. IT WAS INCREDIBLY HEART-WARMING TO GET TO SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND JOIN IN.

>> REMINDED US OF OUR HUMANITY AND OUR CREATIVITY. >> IT MADE US FEEL LIKE PART A COMMUNITY THAT YOU DON'T ALWAYS FEEL IN A CITY WHEN YOU'RE BUSTLING ABOUT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.

LOVE A SNOW DAY. >> Erica: APPARENTLY EVERYONE SHOWED UP AFTER PEOPLE PUT OUT AN INVITE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND THE SNOWMAN THAT LUKAS AND HIS FRIEND BUILT WAS OVER 12 FEET TALL.

BUT THEY WEREN'T DONE. AFTER THEY WRAPPED THAT, THEY HEADED OVER TO CENTRAL PARK AND JOINED IN A MASSIVE SNOWBALL FIGHT.