Breaking down White House readout of Trump's call with Putin

DISCUSSION, THESE VERY EARLY PHASES OF CEASEFIRE NEGOTIATIONS PHASES OF CEASEFIRE NEGOGOTIATIS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THIS PHONE THAT TOOK PLACE IN THIS PHONE CONVERSATION F FROM EARLIER TOD. CONVERSATION FROM EARLIER TODAY. CHRIS.

CHRIS. >> WELL, WE ARE GETTING A >> WELL, WE ARE GETTING A READOUT. KEIR SIMMONS, AND I READOUT.

KEIR SIMMONS, AND I KNKNOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO READ THE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO READ THE ENTIRE THING BECAUSE IT WAS JUST ENTIRE THING BECAUSE IT WAWAS JT HANDED TO ME. BUT THIS IS FROM HANDED TO ME. BUT THIS IS FROM THE YOU'VE GOT IT NOW.

YEAEAH. THE YOU'VE GOT IT NOW. YEAH.

OKAY. SO IT'S FROM THE NEWS OKAY. SO IT'S FROM THE NEWS AGENCY.

AGENCY. >> WE HAVE THE RUSSIAN READOUT, >> WE HAVE THE RUSSIAN READOUT, CHRIS, IF THAT'S. CHRIS, IF THAT'S.

>> YES, THAT'S EXACTCTLY WHAT IM >> YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAHAT IM LOOKING FOR. AND YOU CAN TELL LOOKING FOFOR. AND YOU CAN TELL ME.

BUT THE PART THAT I GOT TO ME. BUT THE PART THAT I GOT TO THAT THAT RAISED A RED FLAG WAS THAT THAT RAISED A RED FLAG WAS THIS IT WAS EMPHASIZED THAT THE THIS IT WAS EMPHASIZED THAT THE KEY CONDITION FOR PREVENTING THE KEY CONDITION FOR PREVENTING THE ESCALATION OF THE CONFLICT AND ESCALATION OF THE CONFLICT AND WORKING TOWARD ITS RESOLUTION BY WORKING TOWARD ITS RESOLUTION BY POLITICAL AND DIPLOMATIC MEANS, POLITICAL AND DIPLOMATIC MEANS, SHOULD BE THE COMPLETE CESSATION SHOULD BE THE COMPLETE CESSATION OF FOREIGN MILITARY AID AND THE OF FOREIGN MILITARY AID AND THE PROVISION OF INTELLIGENCE PROVISION OF INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION TO KYIV. BUT MAYBE INFORMATION TO KYIV.

BUT MAYBE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE ENTIRE THING, WHICH I'M ONLY ENTIRE THING, WHICH I'M ONLY ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH. ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH. >> YEAH, I'M STILL PICKING >> YEAH, I'M STILL PICKING THROUGH IT MYSELF.

CHRIS. IT'S THROUGH IT MYSELF. CHRIS.

IT'S BEEN TRANSLATED FROM RUSSIAN. BEEN TRANSLATED FROM RUSSIAN. ONE THING I WILL TELL YOU, JUST ONE THING I WILL TELL YOU, JUST FOR VIEWERS TO KNOW AND YOU FOR VIEWERS TO KNOW AND YOU KNOWOW, THE VIEWERS WILL KNOW, THE VIEWERS WILL UNDERSRSTAND THAT WE WE'RE STILL UNDERSTAND THAT WEWE WE'RE STILL MAKING SENSE OF THIS.

IS THAT MAKING SENSE OF THIS. IS THAT THE KREMLIN READOUT AND THE THE KREMLIN READOUT AND THE WHWHITE HOUSE READOUT IS WHITE HOUSE READOUT IS DIFFERENT. SO O THEY THEY HAVENT DIFFERENT.

SO THEY THEY HAVEN'T KIKIND OF AGREED A JOINT KIND OF AGREED A JOINT STATEMENT. THEY'VE PUT OUT THEIR STATEMENT. THEY'VE PUT OUT THEIR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONONS OF DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID.

I WILL SAY WHAT'S BEEN SAID. I WILL SAY THAT, AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL FROM THAT, AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL FROM THE KREMLIN READOUT, IT DOES NOT THE KREMLIN READOUT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A MENTION OF THE BLACK INCLUDE A MENTION OF THE BLACK SEA. SO ONE OF THE POINTS I SEA.

SO ONE OF THE POINTS I WOULD MAKE HERE IS THAT I THINK WOULD MAKE HERE IS THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS STILL NEGOTIATIONS THAT THIS IS STILL NEGOTIATIONS IN PROGRESS. SO A WEEK AGO, THE IN PROGRESS. SO A WEEK AGO, THE UKRAINIANS APPEARED TO AGREE TO.

UKRAINIANS APPEARED TO AGREE TO. WELL, THEY AGREED TO A 30 DAY WELL, THEY AGREED TO A 30 DAY CEASEFIRE, YOU KNOW, PUNCTUATION CEASEFIRE, YOU KNOW, PUNCTUATION POINT, NOTHING MORE. HERE YOU POINT, NOTHING MORE.

HERE YOU HAVE A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE HAVE A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE US AND THE RUSSIANS ABOUT ALL US AND THE RUSSIANS ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS, NOT SIMPLY A KINDS OF THINGS, NOT SIMPLY A CEASEFIRE. NOW, WHAT THE CEASEFIRE. NOW, WHAT THE RUSSIANS, WHAT THE KREMLIN DOEOS RUSSIANS, WHAT THE KREMLIN DOES SAY.

AND I'LL JUST READ THIS SAY. AND I'LL JUST READ THIS PIECE BECAUSE, AS GARRETT PIECE BECAUSE, AS GARRETT SUGGESTED, THIS IS IMPMPORTANT. SUGGESTED, THIS IS IMPORTANT.

DURING THE CONVERSATION, DONALD DURING THE CONVERSATION, DONALD TRUMP PUT FORWARARD A PROPOSAL R TRUMP PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL FOR THE PARTIES TO THE CONFLICT TO THE PARTIES TO THE CONFLICT TO MUTUALLY REFRAIN FROM STRIKING MUTUALLY REFRAIN FROM STRIKING ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FACICILITS ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES FOR 30 DAYS. VLADIMIR PUTIN FOR 30 DAYS. VLADIMIR PUTIN RESPONDED POSITIVELY TO THIS RESPONDED POSITIVELY TO THIS INITIATIVE AND IMMEDIATELY GAVE INITIATIVE AND IMMEDIATELY GAVE THE RUSSIAN MILITARY THE THE RUSSIAN MILITARY THE CORRESPONDING ORDER.

SO IT CORRESPONDING ORDER. SO IT APPEARS RIGHT NOW THE RUSSIANS APPEARS RIGHT NOW THE RUSSIANS HAVE AGREED TO AND ARE HAVE AGREED TO AND ARE IMPLEMENTING A 30 DAY CEASEFIRE IMPLEMENTING A 30 DAY CEASEFIRE IN RESPECT OF ENERGY IN RESPECT OF ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES. INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES.

SIMPLY THAT NOW THERE ARE THERE SIMPLY THAT NOW THERE ARE THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THAT, TO THIS IS A LOT MORE TO THAT, TO THIS RUSSIAN READOUT, INCLUDING A LOT RUSSIAN READOUT, INCLUDING A LOT ABOUT PRISONER EXCHANGES AND THE ABOUT PRISONER EXCHANGES AND THE RUSSIANS HANDING OVER UKRAINIAN RUSSIANS HANDING OVER UKRAINIAN PRISONERS, FOR EXAMPLE. AND IT PRISONERS, FOR EXAMPLE. AND IT IS KIND OF DESCRIBED OR IT IS IS KIND OF DESCRIBED OR IT IS PORTRAYED IN THIS RUSSIAN PORTRAYED IN THIS RUSSIAN READOUT AS THE AS THE RUSSIANS, READOUT AS THE AS THE RUSSIANS, YOU KNOW, BEING OFFERING YOU KNOW, BEING OFFERING COMPROMISE IN A SENSE.

BUT THERE COMPROMISE IN A SENSE. BUT THERE ISN'T REALLY MUCH COMPROMISE IN ISN'T REALLY MUCH COMPROMISE IN THIS BEYOND THAT. AND AS YOU THIS BEYOND THAT.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS QUESTION OF MENTIONED, THIS QUESTION OF WHETHER THE US IS AGREEING TO WHETHER THE US IS AGREEING TO RESTRICT SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE RESTRICT SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE DURING THIS CEASEFIRE, THAT WILL DURING THIS CEASEFIRE, THAT WILL BE DEEPLY CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE, BE DEEPLY CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE, OKAY, AFTER THE CEASEFIRE, WHAT OKAY, AFTER THE CEASEFIRE, WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT KIND OF HAPPENS, WHAT KIND OF NEGOTIATION IS THERE DURING THE NEGOTIATION IS THERE DURING THE CEASEFIRE OVER WHAT KIND OF CEASEFIRE OVER WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT UKRAINE MIGHT, MIGHT SUPPORT UKRAINE MIGHT, MIGHT GET? AND OF COURSE, ONE OF GET? AND OF COURSE, ONE OF PRESIDENT PUTIN'S LONG STANDING PRESIDENT PUTIN'S LONG STANDING AIMS HAS BEEN TO ENSURE THAT AIMS HAS BEEN TO ENSURE THAT UKRAINE IS NEUTRAL AND UKRAINE IS NEUTRAL AND UKRAINIANS WILL SAY TO UKRAINIANS WILL SAY TO NEUTRALIZE THE COUNTRY.

SO THAT NEUTRALIZE THE COUNTRY. SO THAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE A CONCESSION WOULD APPEAR TO BE A CONCESSION TO THE RUSSIANS. BUT THERE'S TO THE RUSSIANS.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER POINT IN HERE WHWHICH I ANOTHER POINT IN HERE WHICH I DIDN'T HEAR. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DIDN'T HEAR. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WASHINGTON READOUT, BUT I DIDN'T WASHINGTON READOUT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR CHRIS IN THE WHAT YOU WERE HEAR CHRIS IN THE WHAT YOU WERE SHARING WITH VIEWERS.

THE SHARING WITH VIEWERS. THE RUSSIAN READOUT TALKS A LOT RUSSIAN READOUT TALKS A LOT ABOUT NORMALIZATION, WHIHICH ABOUT NORMALIZATION, WHICH TRANSLATES AS, WHICH TRANSLATES TRANSLATES AS, WHICH TRANSLATES AS, YOU KNOW, REMOVING AS, YOU KNOW, REMOVING SANCTIONS, REBUILDING ECONOMIC SANCTIONS, REBUILDING ECONOMIC TIES, THE KIND OF THINGS THAT TIES, THE KIND OF THINGS THAT THE RUSSIANS REALLY, REALLY THE RUSSIANS REALLY, REALLY WANT. ONE LAST POINT, CHRIS, IN WANT.

ONE LAST POINT, CHRIS, IN THIS RUSSIAN READOUT, WHICH I'M, THIS RUSSIAN READOUT, WHICH I'M, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETS YOUR YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETS YOUR ATTENTION, ALTHOUGH IT MAY SEEM ATTENTION, ALTHOUGH IT MAY SEEM FAIRLY SMALL COMPARED WITH THE FAIRLY SMALL COMPARED WITH THE OTHERS. IT SAYS DONALD TRUMP OTHERS. IT SAYS DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTED VLADIMIR PUTIN'S IDEA SUPPORTED VLADIMIR PUTIN'S IDEA TO ORGANIZE HOCKEY MATCHES IN TO ORGANIZE HOCKEY MATCHES IN THE US AND RUSSIA BETWEEN THE US AND RUSSIA BETWEEN RUSSIAN AND AMERICAN PLAYERS RUSSIAN AND AMERICAN PLAYERS PLAYING IN THE NHL AND THE KHL.

PLAYING IN THE NHL AND THE KHL. >> ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME GO BACK >> ALL RIGHT.

SO LET ME GO BACK TO YOU IF I CAN. GARRETT, THE TO YOU IF I CAN. GARRETT, THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE MAY SAY LOOK ON YOUR FACE MAY SAY EVERYTHING ABOUT HOCKEY, BUT THE EVERYTHING ABOUT HOCKEY, BUT THE BIGGER ON THE BIGGERER PICTURE, BIGGER ON THE BIGGER PICTURE, CLEARLY THESE ARE TWO VERY CLEARLY THESE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT STATEMENTS AND NO, NO DIFFERENT STATEMENTS AND NO, NO DECISIONS THAT THERE'S NO DECISIONS THAT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO CLARITY ON ANY THERE'S NO CLARITY ON ANY AGREEMENT HERE.

AGREEMENT HERE. >> WELL, LOOK, I THINK THERE A E >> WELL, LOOK, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPUPLE OF POINTS ON THE IDEA A COUPLE OF POINTS ON THE IDEA OF THE 30 DAY CEASE FIRE AGAINST OF THE 30 DAY CEASE FIRE AGAINST ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURURE. THAT DS ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE.

E. THAT DS SEEM TO BE THE BIG KEY SEEM TO BE THE BIG KEY DELIVERABLE POINT THAT IS, AT DELIVERABLE POINT THAT IS, AT LEAST IN PRINCIPLE, AGREED ON IN LEAST IN PRINCIPLE, AGREED ON IN BOBOTH STATEMENTS. THE KREMLIN BOTH STATEMENTS.

THE KREMLIN STATEMENT GOES FURTHERER THAN DS STATEMENT GOES FURTHER THAN DOES THE WHITE HOUSE STATEMEMENT. THE THE WHITE HOUSE STATEMENT. THE KREMLIN STATEMENT DOES ALSO KREMLIN STATEMENT DOES ALSO MENTION PRESIDENT PUTIN.

IT MENTION PRESIDENT PUTIN. IT SAYS, RESPONDING FAVORABLY TO SAYS, RESPONDING FAVORABLY TO PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKING ABOUT THIS PEACE OR SECURITY THIS PEACE OR SECURITY INITIATIVE RELATED TO THE BLACK INITIATIVE RELATED TO THE BLACK SEA. SO THERE'S AT LEAST AN SEA.

SO THERE'S AT LEAST AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THAT WAS A ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THAT WAS A TOPIC THAT CAME UP. I WAS TOPIC THAT CAME UP. I WAS SMILING AT KIIR'S MENTION OF THE SMILING AT KIIR'S MENTION OF THE POINT ABOUT HOCKEY, BECAUSE I POINT ABOUT HOCKEY, BECAUSE I WAS JUST R READING TO THAT MYSE, WAS JUST READING TO THAT MYSELF, AND I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT'TS AND I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A SMALL THING AT ALL, BECAUSUSEO A SMALL THING AT ALL, BECAUSE TO ME, IT TELLS ME THAT THE ME, IT TELLS ME THAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE A PRETTY GOOD READ RUSSIANS HAVE A PRETTY GOOD READ ON THE WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP ON THE WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP LIKES TO ENGAGE IN DIPLOMACY.

HE LIKES TO ENGAGE IN DIPLOMACY. HE CARES ABOUT T THE PERSONAL CARES ABOUT THE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HE CONDUCTS D DIPLOMACY WIH THAT HE CONDUCTS DIPLOMACY WITH OTHER FOREIGN LEADADERS, PERHAPS OTHER FOREIGN LEADERS, PERHAPS MORE THAN OTHER AMERICAN MORE THAN OTHER AMERICAN PRESIDENTS DO. HE LIKES TO HAVE PRESIDENTS DO.

HE LIKES TO HAVE THOSE TOUCH POINTS WITH THOSE THOSE TOUCH POINTS WITH THOSE PEOPLE. HE LIKES TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE. HE LIKES TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, AND HE LIKES TO RELATIONSHIPS, AND HE LIKES TO TALK ABOUT SPORTS.

AND THEHE IDA TALK ABOUT SPORTS. AND THE IDEA THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN WOULD BRING THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN WOULD BRING UP HOCKEY, WHICH WE KNOW THAT UP HOCKEY, WHICH WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS S RECENTLY BEN THE PRESIDENT HAS RECENTLY BEEN INTERESTED IN. WHEN THERE WAS INTERESTED IN.

WHEN THERE WASS THAT FOUR NATIONS CUP GOING ON THAT FOUR NATIONS CUP GOING ON HERE IN THE US WITH THE US, HERE IN THE US WITH THE US, CANADA AND OTHER NATIONS AS A CANADA AND OTHER NATATIONS AS A WAY TO GENERATE SOME KIND OF WAY TO GENERATE SOME KIND OF GOODWILL BETWEEN TWO FOREIGN GOODWILL BETWEEN TWO FOREIGN LEADERS OF C COUNTRIES THAT HAVE LEADERS OF COUNTRIES THAT HAVE HAD NONO GOODWILL BETWEEN THEMOR HAD NO GOODWILL BETWEEN THEMOR SOME NUMBER OF YEARS, I THINK IS SOME NUMBER OF YEARS, I THINK IS SORT OF A NOTABLE THING TO DO IN SORT OF A NOTABLE THING TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND TO INCLUDE THE FIRST PLACE, AND TO INCLUDE BY THE RUSSIANS THAT THEY Y ARE BY THE RUSSIANS THAT THEY ARE SORT OF OPERATING IN THIS WAY, SORT OF OPERATING IN THIS WAY, TRYING TO TALK ABOUT S SOMETHING TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING IN THIS KIND OF FRIEIENDLY AND IN THIS KIND OF FRIENDLY AND PERSONAL MANNER WITH DONALD PERSONAL MANNER WITH DONALD TRUMP. IT TELLS ME THEY TRUMP. IT TELLS ME THEY UNDERSTAND THE WAY HE LIKES TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY HE LIKES TO ENGAGE IN DIPLOMACY, AND I DON'T ENGAGE IN DIPLOMACY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SMALL THING AT THINK THAT'S A SMALL THING AT ALL.

ALL. >> I DON'T THINK SO. MARK >> I DON'T THINK SO.

MARK GARRETT MAKES A REREALLY GOOD GARRETT MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT, AND HE'E'S OLD ENOUGH POINT, AND HE'S OLD ENOUGH DONALD TRUMP TO HAVE LIVED DONALD TRUMP TO HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE COLD WARAR, TO THROUGH THE COLD WAR, TO REMEMBER THE MIRACLE ON ICE, TO REMEMBER THE MIRACLE ON ICE, TO REMEMBER WHEN JIMMY CARTER REMEMBER WHEN JIMMY CARTER DECIDED TO PULL FROM THE US TO DECIDED TO PULL FROM THE US TO CHANGE THE OLYMPICS, TO PULL THE CHANGE THE OLYMPICS, TO PULL THE US FROM THE OLYMPICS. I MEAN, HE US FROM THE OLYMPICS. I MEAN, HE ALSO KNOWS WHAT ENTERTAINMENT ALSO KNOWS WHAT ENTERTAINMENT IS, RIGHT?

AND WHETHER OR NOT IS, RIGHT? AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU CONSIDER WHATEVER YOU YOU CONSIDER WHATEVER YOU CONSIDER THE RELATIONSHIP TO BE CONSIDER THE RELATIONSHIP TO BE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATETES AND BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA. AT THIS POINT, A HOCKEY RUSSIA.

AT THIS POINT, A HOCKEY GAME IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GAME IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ATTRACT A LOT OF ATTENTION AND ATTRACT A LOT OF ATTENTION AND THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD ENJOY. THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD ENJOY. BUT BIG PICTURE.

HOW DO YOU SEE BUT BIG PICTURE. HOW DO YOU SEE THIS? THIS?

>> WELL, LET ME SAY THE 1980 >> WELL, LET ME SAY THE 1980 U. S. OLYMPIC HOCKEY WIN OVER THE U.

S. OLYMPIC HOCKEY WIN OVER THE SOVIET UNION WAS PROBABLY ONE OF SOVIET UNION WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE GRGREAT MOMENTS OF MY LIFE. I THE GREAT MOMENTS OF MY LIFE.

I PLAYED HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY, SO PLAYED HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY, SO THIS WAS A FANTASTIC EXPERIEIENE THIS WAS A FANTASTIC EXPERIENCE FOR ME. AND DON'T T FORGET, ANDI FOR ME. AND DON'T FORGET, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE TALKING CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT ALALEX OVECHKIN, ABOUT THIS, BUT ALEX OVECHKIN, WHO IS A RUSSIAN WHO P PLAYS FOR WHO IS A RUSSIAN WHO PLAYS FOR THE WASHINGTON CAPITITALS, WHO S THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS, WHO WAS A FRIEND OF PUTIN, IS EIGHT A FRIEND OF PUTIN, IS EIGHT GOALS AWAY FROM BREAKING THE ALL GOALS AWAY FROM BREAKING THE ALL TIME NHL RECORORD.

SO PERHAPS TE TIME NHL RECORD. SO PERHAPS THE RUSSIANS DID HAVE SOMETHING IN RUSSIANS DID HAVE SOMETHING IN RAISING THIS. BUT BUT BUBUT ON A RAISING THIS.

BUT BUT BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE. SERIOUS S NOTE. >> AND YOU JUST KNEW THAT OFF >> AND YOU JUST KNEW THAT OFF THE TOTOP OF YOUR HEAD.

SO I'M. THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. SO I'M.

>> IMPRESSED WITH YOUR HOCKEY >> IMPRESSED WITH YOUR HOCKEY KNOWLEDGE. >> YEAH. OKAY.

>> BUTUT BUT BIG PICTURE. LOOK >> BUT BUT BIG PICTURE. LOOK THERE,E, THERE ARE CLEARLY THERE, THERE ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT READOUTS OF THIS.

I DIFFERENT READOUTS OF THIS. I THINK THE RUSSIANS ARE DOING THINK THE RUSSIANS ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO, WHICH IS THROWING WHAT THEY DO, WHICH IS THROWING KIND OF DETAILS AND ROADBLOCKS. KIND OF DETAILS AND ROADBLOCKS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE NEGOTIATION THERE'S GOING TO BE NEGOTIATION AFTER NEGOTITIATION. A LOT OF AFTER NEGOTIATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PICK THROUOH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PICK THROUGH CERTAIN THINGS THAT PRESUMABLY CERTAIN THINGS THAT PRESUMABLY WOULD BE FAVORABLE, BUT THEN A WOULD BE FAVORABLE, BUT THEN A LOT, WHICH WOULD BE UNFAVORABLE.

LOT, WHICH WOULD BE UNFAVORABLE. BUT OVERALL, I THINK T THAT BUT OVERALL, I THINK THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKEN NOW IS EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKEN NOW IS CORRECT IN THE SENSE OF THESE CORRECT IN THE SENSE OF THESE ARE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE GOING ARE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. I WOULD NONOT GET ON RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD NOT GET TOO OPTIMISTIC. THE RUSSIANS ARE TOO OPTIMISTIC. THE RUSSIANS ARE VERY TOUGH NEGEGOTIATORS.

I THIK VERY TOUGH NEGOTIATORS. I THINK THERE'S A LOLONG WAY TO GO ON. E THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO ON.

THE ON ONE NOTE TO MENTION IS, YOU ON ONE NOTE TO MENTION IS, YOU KNOW, EUROPE WAS WAS REALLY KNOW, EUROPE WAS WAS REALLY HOLDING THEIR BREATH AT THIS, AT HOLDING THEIR BREATH AT THIS, AT THIS, AT THIS PHONE CALL. AND THIS, AT THIS PHONE CALL. AND PERHAPS IT'S NOT AS BAD AS MANY PERHAPS IT'S NOT AS BAD AS MANY WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, WHICH WOULD WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THEIRIR VIEW THAT E HAVE BEEN IN THEIR VIEW THAT THE US WOULD KIND OF SELL UKRAINE US WOULD KIND OF SELL UKRAINE DOWN THE RIVER.

SO I WOULD SAY DOWN THE RIVER. SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS JUST ANOTHERER STEP IN E THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STEP IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. THE RUSSIANS ARE NEGOTIATIONS.

THE RUSSIANS ARE GOING TO PLAY HARDBALLLL. AND, U GOING TO PLAY HARDBALL. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL GET T A GOOD KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL GET A GOOD HOCKEY GAME OUT OF IT.

HOCKEY GAME OUT OF IT. >> WELL, WHERE DOES THIS L LEAVE >> WELL, WHERERE DOES THIS LEAVE UKRAINE, THOUGH, MARK? UKRAINE,E, THOUGH, MARK?

>> SO FROM THE UKRAINIAN SIDE, I >> SO FROM T THE UKRAINIAN SIDEI THINK WHAT THEY SEE IS, OF THINK WHAT THEY SEE IS, OF COURSE, TWO MAJOR POWERS, THE US COURSE, TWO MAJOR POWERS, THE US AND RUSSIA, TALKING ABOUT THE AND RUSSIA, TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THEIR COUNTRY. AND FUTURE OF THEIR COUNTRY. AND THAT'S DEEPLY DISTURBING TO THTE THAT'S DEEPLY DISTURBING TO THE UKRAINIAIANS, BUT ALSO TO THE RT UKRAINIANS, BUT ALSO TO THE REST OF EUROPE.

I THINK I WOUOULD HOE OF EUROPE. I THINK I WOULD HOPE THERE WILL BE SOME READOUTS THERE WILL BE SOME READOUTS GIVEN TO UKRAINE FROM THE US GIVEN TO UKRAINE FROM THE US SIDE. AND THE REAL KEY POINT ON SIDE.

AND THE REAL KEY POINT ON THIS IN TERMS OF, OF CONCESSIONS THIS IN TERMS OF, OF CONCESSIONS OR THE FUTURE, IS THE PROVISION OR THE FUTURE, IS THE PROVISION OF BOTH INTELLIGENCE AND OF BOTH INTELLIGENCE AND MILITARY ASSISTANCE. THAT CACANT MILITARY ASSISTANCE. THAT CANNOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE RUSSIANS BE SOMETHING THAT THE RUSSIANS MIGHT AGREE TO IT.

THE US IN NO MIGHT AGREE TO IT. THE US IN NO WAY CAN AGREE TO IT, AGREE TO WAY CAN AGREE TO IT, AGREE TO THAT, AND UKRAINIANS CERTAINLY THAT, AND UKRARAINIANS CERTAINLY WOULD NOT AS WELL. YOU DON'T DO WOULD NOT AS WELL.

YOU DON'T DO THAT BEFORE E ANY KIND OF CEASE THAT BEFORE ANY KIND OF CEASE FIRE NEGOTIATIONS. THAT'S A FIRE NEGOTIATIONS. THAT'S A NONSTARTER.

NONSTARTER. >> CAN I GO BACK FOR JUST A >> CAN I GO BACK FOR JUST A SECOND, GARRETT, TO THE END OF SECOND, GARRETT, TO THE END OF THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS TRANSLATION,N, WHICH IS MARCH TRANSLATION, WHICH IS MARCH 19TH, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE 19TH, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE TOMORROW, A PRISONER EXCHANGE TOMORROW, A PRISONER EXCHANGE WOULD BE CARRIED OUT. YOU WOULD BE CARRIED OUT.

YOU MENTIONED THIS BETWEEN THE MENTIONED THIS BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN SIDES, 175 RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN SIDES, 175 FOR 175 PEOPLE, AND AS A GESTURE FOR 175 PEOPLE, AND AS A GESTURE OF GOODWILL, 23 SERIOUSLY OF GOODWILL, 23 SERIOUSLY WOUNDED UKRAINIAN SERVICEMEN WHO WOUNDED UKRAINIAN SERVICEMEN WHO ARE UNDERGOING TREATMENT I IN A ARE UNDERGOING TREATMENT IN A RUSSIAN MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS RUSSIAN MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS WILL BE TRANSFERRED. DONALD WILL BE TRANSFERRED. DONALD TRUMP IS ALSO SOMEONE WHO LIKES TRUMP IS ALSO SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO SAY, I GOT A DELIVERABLE.

I TO SAY, I GOT A DELIVERABLE. I TOLD YOU THAT I WAS GOING TO TOLD YOU THAT I WAS GOING TO WORK ON THIS, AND HERE'S WHAT I WORK ON THIS, AND HERE'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU. HAVE FOR YOU.

. >> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE, CHRIS. AND >> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE, , CHRIS.

D FRANKLY, IT'S KIND OF WHITE FRANKLY, IT'S KIND OF WHITE HOUSE DIPLOMACY 101 THAT Y YOU HOUSE DIPLOMACY 101 1 THAT YOU WOULD NOT INVOLVE THE PRESIDENT WOULD NOT ININVOLVE THE PRESIDET OF THE UNITED STATES IN OF THE UNITED STATES IN NEGOTIATIONS UNLESS THERE IS A NEGOTIATIONS UNLESS THERE IS A DELIVERABLE TO B BE HAD. THIS DELIVERABLE TO B BE HAD. THIS WHITE HOUSE SAYS SO MANY THINGS WHITE HOUSE SAYS SO MANYNY THINS IN NONTRADITIONAL WAYS, BUT THIS IN NONTRADITIONAL WAYS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING T THAT YOU WOULD IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY EXPECT TO S SEE ALMOSTN ACTUALLY EXPECT TO SEE ALMOST IN ANY OTHER WHITE HOUSE, WHERE THE ANY OTHER WHITE HOUSE, WHERERE E NEGOTIATIONS HAPPEN AT A LOWER NEGOTIATIONSNS HAPPEN AT A LOWER LEVEL FIRST, AND THEN WHEN LEVEL FIRST, AND THEN WHEN THERE'S A VICTORY TO BE CLAIMED, THERE'S A VICTORY TO BE CLAIAIM, YOU BRING IN THE PRESIDENT TO YOU BRING IN THE PRERESIDENT TO CLAIM IT.

NOTABLY, THE WHITE CLAIM IT. NOTABLY, THE WHITE HOUSE STATEMENT DOES NOT MENTION HOUSE STATEMENT DOES NOT MENTION THAT PRISONER EXCHANGEGE, ALTHOH THAT PRISONER EXCHANGE, ALTHOUGH I WAS REMINDED THAT THTHIS WAS I WAS REMINDED THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, WAS IN THE PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, WAS IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THAT INCREDIBLY OVAL OFFICE FOR THAT INCREDIBLY ILL FATED MEETING HE HAD HERE ILL FATED MEETING HE HAD HERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. ZELENSKY JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

ZELENSKY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN HE WAS BEING PRESSED BY J. D. HE WAS BEING PRESSED BY J.

D. VANCE ABOUT PAST DIPLOMATIC VANCE ABOUT PAST DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS, THAHAT RUSSIA HAD FAILD EFFORTS, THAT RUSSIA HAD FAILED TO HONOR PAST AGREEMENTS TO DO TO HONOR PAST AGREEMENTS TO DO PRISONER SWAPS JUST LIKE THIS. PRISONER SWAPS JUST LIKE THIS.

SO I THINK IT'S BOTH AN SO I THINK IT'S BOTH AN IMPORTANT DELIVERABLE AND IMPORTANT DELIVERABLE AND ANOTHER IMPORTANT TOUCH POINT IN ANOTHER IMPORTANT TOUCH POINT IN KIND OF BUILDING TRUST HERE AND KIND OF BUILDING TRUST HERE AND GOODWILL BETWEEN AT LEAST THE US GOODWILL BETWEEN AT LEAST THE US AND RUSSIA AND PERHAPS THE AND RUSSIA AND PERHAPS THE UKRAINIANS IN RUSSIA AS WELL. UKRAINIANS IN RUSSIA AS WELL.