Piers Morgan vs Chris Williamson | "I'm An Army Of One" | Full interview

[Music] Chris Williamson is a record holder he's the first star of love iseland that I've actually been interested in speaking to love Island was kind of like the Champions League final of being a professional party boy a former model and Nightclub promoter is now something of a self-help Superstar Millions watch him for his life hacks and lessons on success his podcast modern wisdom is one of the biggest in the world but does he really have it all figured out why is your name associated so much with are you saying I'm pro- fapping or anti fapping

or just a pathological fapper I didn't even know what fapping was I'm a fapping connoisseur what can I say maybe you're doing it right now we might have passed Peak woke mass shootings eating meat hip hop smelling of Axe Body Spray and saying hello or have a nice day all terrible examples of toxic masculinity there consistency is the only roote to succcess the thing that you would tell yourself 10 years ago is still the same thing that you need to hear now Joe Rogan Jordan Peterson oh God Chris great to have you on uncensored um

yeah first of all I mean I'm the love Island thing I sort of vowed I'd never interview a love Islander you are the exception you you've broken free from the mental prison camp which I put them all in um so congratulations on that um when you were in love iseland you there I think you were out on the 19th day or something I think you had a kind of epiphany about your life didn't you explain that yeah not many people go on reality TV to get catapulted toward a life of meaning and Alignment but uh

I'm a army of one here yeah so I guess um I spent most of my 20s acquiring success in the way that modern society maybe tells a young man that he should with a claim and status and people knowing who you are and money and parties and all that sort of stuff and then uh love Island was kind of like the Pinnacle of that it's the champion League final of being a professional party boy right and yeah during that you have nowhere to go there's no phones no TV no friends no family no internet no

distractions no books no nothing it's just you and this scenario and I was around people like the person I was pretending to be which was this big name on campus party boy type thing and I had a faithful dose of contrast as I lived for 24 hours for whatever 19 days plus a week in lockdown that I'd done before plus all of the post press and stuff after that and realized I don't think that I'm living in alignment I don't think the things that I believe are making me happy are truly what I should be

doing with my life and yeah from there went on a big journey of self-discovery a lot of introspection and meditation and breath work and morning walks and journaling and all that stuff and then 750 episodes of modern wisdom and a ton of conversations later here we are yeah and not just here but you you did you just did Joe Rogan's podcast which is the biggest in the world and your own podcast I think is rocketing up the charts in America which is you know pretty unusual actually for most people in this country um to be

a star in that in that medium in America so it's really we're slowly we're slowly taking that country back over one podcast episode at a time and recolonizing it I love it I love I'm with you I'm with you I'm in the trenches with you um but it's been an amazing journey for you what have you learned about yourself I mean you distill all this wisdom to people what have you actually learned about yourself one of the most interesting insights is that if you one of the most common questions people ask is something like what

would you tell you 10 years ago and that is you know I wish that I feared less I wish I cared less about the opinions of others I wish I did whatever almost always without exception the thing that you would tell yourself 10 years ago is still the same thing that you need to hear now I think that we change in many ways but fundamentally the pathologies and fears and things that hold us back seem to remain uncomfortably stable across time uh so other little bits and pieces caring about what other people think of you

is usually pretty pointless because most people don't even like themselves most people's criticisms of you are projections of what they don't like about themselves or what they don't like about the world it's not about you it's literally about them um what else have I seen certainly that consistency is the only route to success you know consistency doesn't guarantee that you'll be successful but if you're not consistent you won't be uh so those are at least some to break down it's because I've inter hours yeah I've interviewed Andrew Tate a number of times and he has

a huge following there's no doubt about it I get so many young men teenage boys and so on coming up to me what's Andrew Tate like what do you think of him they ask me and it's a it's a complicated question because a lot of what Tate says I kind of find myself nodding I've got three sons in their 20s one's 30 now I've been through their upbringing and there's no doubt a lot of young men these days feel a bit lost and they're crying out for people to try and guide them and in his

you know pretty blunt way um Tate does that to a degree but he also does other stuff which I'd imagine like like me you would find very uncomfortable what do you what do you feel about him generally he's a complex character I had him on the podcast about three and a half years ago and I didn't actually releas the episode so I have two hours of unreleased and take footage we were in the midst of Co it was mostly a conversation about covid and lockdowns and crackdowns and stuff like that and uh it was that

time when my channel would have just been nuked for the sake of trying to get one conversation out so at the time I didn't do it and then a lot of people have said why didn't you release it when he was at the peak of his Fame obviously that could have got an awful lot of plays and to be honest I didn't do it because I thought it would be a pretty poor move on Andrew although not like I have some obligation to do whatever but if someone makes a ton of comments during a rapidly

moving chaotic situation and also they're a bit gregarious uh three years later releasing that out into the world kind of stitches him up a bit and I didn't want to do that so uh yeah we've got a we've got two hours of unreleased Andrew T he's a complicated guy he's a a Force for good is he a Force for good with young men or not mix bag uh net I don't know um he's certainly brought an awful lot of attention to the plight of young men and he's tried to simplify down a world which teaches

young men that they are defective women the most of the advice that we hear for young men at the moment is if you were just less like men if you just behaved a little bit more like women if you talked about your feelings a little bit more if you communicate if you were more gentle if you were less concerned with Mastery and competition and Conquer and and becoming better and stuff like that you know some of the typical masculine traits you would your life would be better many men feel like their issues are being dismissed

as whining from a patriarchy that they no longer feel a part of yeah I mean you know the the Barbie movie the the Blockbuster of the Year mentioned patriarchy I think a dozen times and by about the third I'd had enough of it I don't even know company a company obviously that has a turn way more than on average female exx at the top which I'm sure you know about uh a a leader that a the director the production crew all of this stuff I didn't see much patriarchy sitting behind the scenes of that movie

or works the other way you know if you have if you have an all female cast a female director female Studio boss you know and it's based on a story that promotes women at the expense of men that's fine you know the only narrative that that needs to be dealt with is if women are not at least equal in every regard or are not portrayed as glowing heroins and then all hell breaks loose the problem that you have is most portrayals of women in modern Cinema show them as Flawless they don't need to overcome anything

at all in order to be successful they're born Perfectly Natural perfect example of this from the critical Drinker the two Mulan movies you'll remember the first one the animated one and then they did a live action in the first one the protagonist is smaller and weaker and needs to use her cunning and her nous and work Inc hard to be as good as the guys that are around her it's a inspiring story of someone who doesn't have everything immediately working sufficiently cleverly and sufficiently hard and consistently to overcome their challenges roll that forward to the

liveaction version of it she was bestowed with being the best in the world she didn't need to do anything and the only challenge that she needed to overcome were the men around her not believing in her sufficiently it's patronizing it's patronizing to women if I was a woman and I was basically being fed you are perfect as you are you don't ever need to overcome anything and any challenges that you face are exclusively because of the world out there being oppressive onto you that's not inspiring how does that inspire a new generation of girls totally

agree in the same way I believe that the problem of a lot of young men is this toxic masculinity uh weaponized Badge Of Dishonor where almost everything that's a masculine trait has been read defined as toxic you know even down to when men now hold a door open for women a lot of women almost spit in their faces dare you do that you know how dare you be chivalrous the old sort of Hunter provider uh idea of of a male role model absolutely condemned out of hand you know strong men are now traduced to somehow

a problem weak men or very emotional men or very vulnerable men they're all heroic and so on and it's this constant narrative along those lines which I think really unsettles and confuses young men they're like well what am I supposed to be because most women they probably me don't agree with the the caricature of the men they're supposed to be told they should be liking can I give you a list of headlines I found that have different things that are supposedly toxic masculinity yeah mass shootings a toxic masculinity gang violence climate change the financial crisis

brexit is toxic masculinity the election of Donald Trump not wearing a mask eating meat physical fitness fast food capitalism is toxic masculinity and communism is toxic masculinity hip hop smelling of Axe Body Spray being stoic risk-taking religion but also secularism and Atheism playing board games being interested in cars and saying hello or have a nice day all terrible examples of toxic masculinity there and you know the the reality is is like when you saw what Gillette did with their so Gillette always had these big masculine uh commercials all about being a big you know Hunter

provider kind of man but then this huge U-turn after the me too campaign and suddenly it was prove you're not Harvey Weinstein or you can't have a Gillette product and they absolutely tanked their sales in the same way that Budweiser did when they used Dylan Mulaney who suddenly decided in the mid 20s that this biological woman uh man would be identifying as a woman and make tens of millions of dollars uh by almost mocking biological females um and you see it time and again where they so grotesquely misjudged Their audience and look at now they've

just brought Shane Gillis on board a comedian who was so spicy that SNL had to get rid of him and in the same week SNL bring him back as well I think we might have passed PE woke I feel like we have I think that yeah I think the silent majority which is a massive number of people the silent majority just has got sick of it they've got sick of everything they enjoy in life being redefined as somehow evil and corrupting and worthy of cancellation they find the idea of the cancel culture completely ridiculous but

they also specifically like everything in their daily life that they enjoy from comedy shows to movies to music to statues to Heroes whatever it is the woke brigade's only response to all of it is it's all evil it must all be cancelled and we must go to a form of extreme puritanism where if you even crack a joke at work you must be expunged from human life if it hasn't passed their humor test which is obviously the worst outside of North Korea in the world yeah I think this tyranny of the minority has gotten very

old and it was enforced through fear it was enforced because if you make a joke or say a thing which is outside of this Purity spiral Overton window of appropriateness that is used as an indicator it's a Smoking Gun oh see that one thing that Pier said that slip up or that misspeak or that General speak that was a little bit clumsy genuine joke which I just thought was a bit inappropriate but still funny exactly we used to laugh secretly the racist homophobic xenophobic anti-semite whatever that we always knew that he was and I think

that people should turn their eye much more on the ones that throw accusations than the people that are being accused because I think it's a defense mechanism I think that anytime that someone is overly Purity nicey nicey like that uh evil head mistress from Harry Potter it's an indicator that oh hang on what about you yeah what's going on behind the scenes with you and we see this with late night shows in America they're tyrannical behind the scenes but out front nicer than nice we see this with lizo someone who's supposed to be standing up

for these bigger girls and giving them ell degenerous was the best one Ellen degenerous who led the kind of woke uh campaign uh turned out to be an awful piece of work and ends up of course being canceled herself at the alar of her own cancel gger yeah the uh standard you judge others by will be the standards that you are judged by you should be very very careful with that let me ask you one thing that struck me about young uh people is the amount of anxiety that exists in people you know between the

age of maybe like 25 and 17 16 is unbelievable and terrifying and people are wrestling with why this is and it's leading in many cases to them taking their own lives but also massive amounts of medication in in that age bracket what is going on here I think that there is a pathologization and a medicalization and a glorification of normal human emotions if you live in a world which is incredibly comfortable and typically day-to-day you don't have to deal with that much uh discomfort you just did a segment and you were in a room that

is p purposefully designed to have heavy things in that you go in and pick up and put down in the same place it's called a gym and that's because we have removed so many of the heavy object that we need to live from daily life that we have to artificially create this and add it in my point being that when existence is very comfortable any discomfort feels like an aberration it feels like a curse and the more that we make existence comfortable and convenient not to say I want air conditioning I like cruise control on

a car all of those things but it makes people hyper sensitized I think on top of that there is this very strange therapy culture speak where it is uh the pathologization of normal human emotions it's not that you're upset it's that you're depressed it's not that someone was mean to you it's that they caused you trauma we need to be very very careful and an exlo island contestant Dr Alex who I think actually has some role at the the British government started a campaign that was like uh happy pills or take your like share your

SSRI thing and it's videos IG videos of him putting with uh ssris on his tongue the amount of overprescription that we have at the moment for ssris is insane the amount of people that are on these drugs that have very very spirous uh effects they've been replication crisis quite heavily there is a use for them but it's not as wide as they should think and there was a study that came out last week that said exercise is more effective than ssris and then you just had a a video that you put on the segment before

this of some guy in the gym maybe trying to battle away his demons maybe trying to saave off his woman who who if it had been the other way around all hell would have broken loose the hypocrisy and double standard is real also I think with young people and this is not just about young men it's about women as well social media and and phones cell phones have completely changed things as well and I think obviously a lot for good I think they're very intelligent as a group of people the ones I meet they're very

bright they're Sparky they're well informed but they're getting a constant chur of dopamine a lot of it very negative they're seeing Wars in real time all over their social media the most horrific imagery uh they're seeing loads of other stuff just constantly bombarded with negative imagery in a way that you know when I was young you it was Unthinkable you had you didn't have cell phones there was you know maybe a television with two channels very heavily sanitized and regulated uh the newspapers were very cautious about what they put on their front pages and so

on you just did not get exposed to anything like this kind of sensory overload how much do you think that is is playing into this hugely Jonathan Height's work and the coddling of the American mind he's got a new book out soon called the anxious generation he it seems to be a huge impact the human brain is not designed to consume the entire world's news the worst of the world's news disproportionately selected 24 hours a day in real time fed into our brains I saw a meme the other day that said sorry I didn't reply

to you I'm trying to handle the entire world's information with a brain that was designed to collect nuts in a forest and it's so true we're not built this yeah it's it's what's referred to as an evolutionary mismatch that we have hypernormal stimuli in the modern world that we are not uh developed to be able to deal with I think one of the best things that everybody can do I'm big into life hacks right you mentioned it on the show on Modern wisdom we did this huge series of life hacks the most high impact thing

that people can do right now sleep with your phone outside of your bedroom if you put the charging cable for your phone right now in the kitchen or in the hallway or somewhere else that isn't your bedroom and before you go to bed at a night time plug it in there it will save your sleep will improve you won't be spending as much time on your phone you won't be rolling over when you can't sleep during the middle of the night and using it oh your YouTube's only other 3 feet away from you and then

on a morning just try and delay that time as much as possible before you pick it up because once you're in it you get sucked in so intermittent fasting for your phone I'm all for it you're also all for something called fapping which I have to say I wasn't familiar with until I I'm not convinced that this sounds like fake news to me you're not fake you've now you've gone from mainstream media to YouTube and you're just prepared to throw fake news is is it completely inventing this thing F Well fapping is a thing but

are you saying I'm pro- fapping or anti- fapping or just a pathological fapper I didn't even know what fapping was but apparently you fapping it I'm what why is your name associated so much with fapping I I mean look I'm I'm a fapping connoisseur what can I say No I um I've done a number of videos no fap is a movement on the online of men uh holding themselves back from touching themselves it is a movement that's tangential to anti-porn but there's also uh varying degrees of depth to this one including that some guys on

the Reddit thread think that they can levitate after a while if they do it for long enough uh I'm not sure where the research team pulled the No fap thing out but I'm happy to be associated with it if you want me as the front runner for fapping so be it I I don't want you to be anything you don't want to be I mean you're Chris Williamson let's just talk about fapping Pi we're on YouTube now it doesn't matter you can just let loose it's kind of I mean it's kind of interesting I have

no idea if it's right or not I mean maybe it is maybe we should all be heading down that road Maybe you're doing it right now under the desk who knows do you find a lot of Mythology grows about you the bigger you get on YouTube mythology I have a very effective I seem to have a a really uh good sweet spot at the moment the amount of exposure that I have hasn't caused there to be any crazy security scares or any sort of really unwanted attention um it's it's perfect but I know that that's

maybe not always going to be the way that it is um I also have I think not too obsessive of a fan base they they love what I do and they support what I do but it's not the same way as you know they're not digging into the lore of my background maybe because it's you know mostly been out there on the internet you just watch Love Island a little bit and go to a few club nights in the mid mid- naughties and the mid 10s and you'd be able to find me uh but no

it right now I'm I'm really enjoying this this balance it feels good um but I'm also aware that this is maybe a goldilock Zone when there's enough attention that it's nice but very quickly that might change into something else I'm kind of starting to emotionally and psychologically prepare myself for that there are other uh topics that you talk a lot about and you talk a lot about alcohol diet sport all that kind of thing are they all interwoven I mean you're a fit guy obviously pretty clean living from what i' I've read and heard is

that also part of the secret cocktail of contemp or what's the answer the alcohol thing was interesting because I was a club promoter for a decade and a half I adored working in that industry I loved and was very proud of what I achieved but I got toward the end of my 20s and realized that all of the personal development things I wanted to do seemed to be held back by me electing to ruin 36 or 48 Hours depending on how hard I went every couple of weeks I wasn't a big drinker I didn't drink

all the time but I drank enough to kind of reset my meditation streak or my diet or my training or whatever and I decided to go sober elective sobriety and uh it was very very useful for me I found it unbelievably productive I was very focused I had great consistency and I actually preferred Being Sober to going back drinking now alcohol is in a unique category of drugs where it's the only drug where if you don't do it people assume that you have a problem yeah people aren't asking you why you're not on cocaine are

you okay what would you mean yeah yeah it's whereas with alcohol there's an assumption oh my god there must be something wrong because that's how ingrained it is into the culture and for me again it's all about consistency consistency is the important thing and if you want to make really really big changes you need a routine and unfortunately the British Larry lad drinking culture that we have that I wholeheartedly contribute to and still think it has its place in a Young Person's upbringing isn't always conducive if you want to try and make big changes in

your life do you end up though with uh by default almost a more boring friendship group I mean do you avoid people who like a drink and a laugh and a party do you end up having a by comparison a more boring life and is it consumed by people who are all pretty straight laced and clean living and and for many people watching who are not as disciplined might find that a bit of a turn off that assumes that people who drink a lot are interesting and in my experience yeah that is actually the opposite

so many people don't have friends they have drinking Partners especially in their early 20s they have a group of people that they go out and get wrecked with they do not have a community of people that are really interesting to them if you if the only way that you can hang around with your friends is to get drunk to sedate yourself so that they actually seem interesting that's not the group of friends for you you can find significantly better friends that you can go out and get drunken maybe that makes okay let me pull you

up on that so I grew up in a Country Pub so I grew up around people when I was young who would come in they'd be incredibly dull for about 20 minutes have a couple of pints and suddenly have life and soul so I could see that alcohol as long as it wasn't being abused could actually be an enhancing tool to making people who perhaps a little bit introvert or a little bit boring whatever it may be think and I can tell you from my own Sons for example my oldest boy likes to go out

a couple times a week and hit the night club scene he's got loads of great mates they have a good time it's in moderation the other 5 days are pretty abstemious and so on but they love that and they're and they've got and he's got really nice friends but they love to go and have a bit of a party twice a week my middle boy is an actor and a boxer and so on he he thinks you know his body is a temple like you and he would be nodding way to everything you'll say but

I can see that both of them have really good groups of friends they're just a little bit different and I don't see that alcohol need to be needs to be demonized unless you're basically using it like a demon no I I would agree and this is where I got in trouble with both the partying Community for being a hypocrite that I ran nightclubs and was going sober and then I got in trouble with the sobriety Community for being someone who had gone sober and then extoled the virtues of alcohol anyone who thinks that alcohol can't

make a night out better hasn't had a good night out and they should come to Newcastle in the northeast of the UK and Friday Newcastle I can attest to that yes so look that's the first thing that I need to say about it secondly I think that you can periodize these things and this is what I found was really useful for me so I would do six months of sobriety usually from the start of the year or maybe just before Christmas because you can get through the hardest bit which is the Christmas period when your

willpower is at its highest as opposed to at the very end where you go ah I'll just finish it a little bit um and I worked very hard on introspection and reflection and all the rest of the stuff and then I I was like okay it's the back end of summer and maybe I can have a couple of and how do I feel about alcohol and I tell you something else resetting your alcohol sensitivity is so fantastic because lots of the bad effects come from the overc consumption the reason you're overc consuming is because you're

not feeling the effects so if you make yourself more sensitive you can have a little bit of a buzz on and not feel so bad the next day so I think six months of sobriety every couple of years for people is a a very good well I actually had it because I I got covid and then got long covid it's a couple of years ago and I lost my taste and smell so there was no point drinking alcohol because I couldn't smell it or taste it it was all like water literally and it was heartbreaking

to crack open a bottle of my favorite French you know shat batti and Discover it literally tasted like a glass of water it the weirdest thing um but I I gave up all alcohol for about six months shredded the weight I mean I've never been as fit in fact my my nutritionist don't laugh I do have one um she she said that my numbers when she tested me after six months were actually better than hers right because I wasn't basically pouring stuff into my body that I didn't need to um but I can't begin to

tell you the joy when my taste came back that first glass of wine afterwards and I can't lie about it well that's what life is life is uh it is push and pull it is uh vacancy and it is um saturation of things and I think that that dance is good but how many people that are listening to this right now especially lot of the British people the last time that they went more than a month without consuming alcohol was when they were 14 it was before they had their first drink and if there was

any other drug people talk about something like creatine one of the most researched uh compounds in health and fitness oh well you know you don't want to be on something all the time so maybe you could cycle off meanwhile this person goes out to the pub once or twice a week for eternity I no I I completely agree you talk a lot also about uh men versus women not versus but men and women and that interaction there was a bombshell survey came out this week revealing there are differences between the two Sexes which was probably

the least surprising news I've ever seen described as news in the history of planet Earth but um you talk a lot about things like what do modern women actually want from men why aren't men approaching women in person anymore red flags in dating you should never ignore this my take on this is that the whole dating game has become extremely nerve-wracking for for both sides actually but for particularly for men who no longer feel comfortable that they know the rules of engagement and it may be that women themselves aren't that clued up to what they

should be doing shouldn't be doing what's acceptable what's not acceptable because it's been so much stuff me too times up all this all these campaigns you know demonizing not just bad men but actually then generally until they can prove otherwise it's led to a very perilous environment I would say for for dating right massive risk aversion across the board and this isn't just in dating this is in everything else young people are getting their driver's licenses later they're moving out of the house later they're getting their first job later but they're also particularly sensitive and

tentative when it comes to the world of dating and who could be surprised the post me to world made men potential attackers of women and made women potential accusers of men so I'm not surprised that we're talking about a very sensitive very risk averse dating environment 86% of women say that they want a man to make the first move 76% of men say that they are scared of making a first move for being seen as creepy and 20% of JZ guys and girls say that a man approaching a woman in public always or usually constitutes

harassment so let's try and square this circle okay women mostly want to be approached but are scared of being approached because this person might not be safe or have their best interests at heart men know that if they don't do the approaching that nothing's going to happen because most women want to be the gatekeeper and the receptacle rather than the protagonist but if they do do it then maybe they're going to make her feel uncomfortable and I wouldn't want to make her feel uncomfortable maybe I'm a part of some terrible to thing or I'm part

of some gym Tik Tok video where I approach a girl and then I'm going to go viral online and everyone's going to call me awful things so you just have two completely different worlds and these these two groups are moving apart I think that two things can be two quite easy remedies for this for guys uh and understanding that approach anxiety has always been there and that if you're respectful and delicate and take signals appropriately nothing bad is probably going to happen and then secondly for women cultivating receptiveness so there was a time during the

British aristocracy where ladies would drop a handkerchief near a gentleman that they liked and it would give that opportunity gentle to handkerchief drop in I'm telling you but my point being like if you're at a bar assum the guy that you assume the guy that you're potentially attracted to and would like to come over and speak to you is a particularly slow golden retriever like that's the level of signaling that guys need especially in this world where no doesn't just mean no anything appropriating not hell yeah is stay away from me and you might end

up on the wrong side of a a call out I mean I've read that 40% of marriages used to begin in the workplace and historically where a man would would be in a higher position than the woman just because historically men were in the senior jobs that's obviously changed dramatically but also I can't imagine how anybody finds anyone to date let alone marry at work given all the new rules of workplace engagement I'm pretty sure I think it's Netflix that has a stipulation or had a stipulation about the amount of time that a man's eyes

could Linger on a person of the opposite sex that there was an upper bound you beyond 7 Seconds that's the toxic male Gaye I know that there were adverts on the London Underground warning about this and as with all of the things you know you spoke about this sort of tyranny of the minority and this sort of woke thing earlier on as well as with all of these things there's kernels of Truth in all of this there absolutely are super weird guys that stare at women on the sh and make them uncomfortable and there was

a lot of them but that doesn't mean that everything has to change to accommodate a sense that everyone's like that otherwise nothing is ever it would be the death of mankind well the issue and the priority of safetyism of trying to remove any of the edge cases of risk in an attempt to make all risk cases removed what is the downstream consequence of this like how many weird guys on tubes are stopped for how many millions of guys not approaching a girl and you may say your your balance sheet may say no woman should ever

be made to feel uncomfortable on a tube and that's your prerogative of your value set but if it was and this is going to stop a million relationships or 10,000 relationships or a thousand relation sh there is a balance sheet that we have to think about here and this is the same it's the same for everything it's not just about men and women in dating it's about what sort of jokes should be T where should we have the Watershed why is it 9:00 or 9:30 why isn't it 8:30 why isn't it 10:00 you know all

of these things are adjudications that we make and we're getting increasingly bad at making them you've moved to America pretty much full-time now how do you find that I've lived and worked in America for the last 20 years it's an amazing country with with amazing people as a real the can do mentality absolutely exists there and they don't have the kind of class structure issues that we have here we have other issues obviously but how do you find how do you find the difference culturally between the two countries they are a very enthusiastic people and

I flourish around enthusiasm and excitement uh Americans kind of have permanent firstline cocaine energy at all times and and I I really wish that I could repport it back over to the UK I I want to make enthusiasm great again I really think that we the TR is you see British the British people we tend to view overly enthusiastic people with deep suspicion because we're naturally quite a cynical piss-taking bunch and so someone's like too someone's too hyper enthusiastic you know you come along Chris you bouncing off the walls you're handsome you're fit you're everything's

going for you're making millions and you're giving giving it the full nine enthusiastic yards a lot of British BLS would be like I'll shut up Williamson I want to the line ofit they want to they'll want to bring you down a pck or two that's the British way I'm not I know the difference but I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing no look horses for courses I understand the British desire for sardonic wit and banter and all of that sort of stuff but a couple of things that I realized um despite the fact that

I was the director leader of this events company you know crafting British culture for a long time was on love Island was on take me out you know did all of the things model TV all that stuff I flourish significantly more around people that are positive some around people that when you tell them dude I just got an invite to go on Joe Rogan they don't go o look at you instead they go dude that is so awesome like how you I'm really proud of you well done that's those are my people and if you

want to be around the sort of people who when you tell them good news take the mick out of you totally fine I got to say I do personally I prefer to be amongst people who will just constantly bring me down a pigal two well maybe that's uh something that you need to adjust the current why though I think it's healthy otherwise my my ego would run even more riotous than it does so again this is to do with my Constitution uh I need more people to inflate me because I have Hoster syndrome and a

little bit of social anxiety and I'm a little bit introverted and I need that I need a little bit more of that and I've flourished since being alongside that that being said maybe I'm just a normal level of ego but I spent 32 years having the mick taken out of me in the UK like every other British person does and this is just starting to compensate to even the scales I'm not really too sure um we've done a little quick fire wisdom quiz for you to round things off okay just need quick answers you got

to choose there's no sitting on a fence you're straight talker Texas or stocks and on teas Texas wow really what a St stock NES was famous only for having the UK's highest teen pregnancy rating and then it lost that it doesn't even have that anymore uh psychology or spirituality psychology leftwing or right-wing oh rightwing you hesitated yeah because I I think that anyone who takes the entirety of their worldview from a single side is probably an idiot and someone that shouldn't be trusted or listened to but you gave me a binary choice so I had

to pick I used to think I was left wi and then the woke uh phenomenon began and I've just veered apparently ever further to the right because I just can't stop it's you and Tommy Robinson just chilling out together uh Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson this will test you oh God uh Rogan I was on his show last week I can't say you're chucking beers another the bus wow look he he's he's coming through to Wason soon I'll buy him a steak and and some some salt and some water it'll be okay Cricket or UFC

you used to play cricket you were very good cricketer Cricket or UFC Cricket all day good man uh monogamy or playing the field monogamy beef burger or veggie burger it's the easiest one by far beef burger all day that veggie burger can get flamethrower by one of Elon musk's things oh thank God you said that uh Love or Money love but you you can say that because you're rich speak for yourself you're the one that's just pivoted you're the one that's just pivoted from Big Time tv to that sweet sweet YouTube AdSense money that's what

we're talking about well you know what it's very interesting because I've watched what happens with you and with Joe Rogan and all these these guys Jordan Peterson Ben P there is a whole different world out there but one of the best things for me I love interviewing people in a way I can really hopefully unlock what they're really like you can't do that in a restricted 47 minute television format correct so I was constantly having to cut off people right when I felt like I was getting to them whereas today we've had a really interesting

conversation with I've never met you I've never spoken to you but I really enjoyed it as it's gone on we've kind of as you do in interviews it's a little bit like sparring you kind of work each other out a bit and then you start to relax and enjoy it more right yeah yeah I I spent a little bit of time doing the old school TV thing the take me out was my first introduction and then I did love Island and in between that I did you know a decade of of commercial mail modeling and

stuff like that it feels so contrived and cynical and restrictive and just not fun and then you get to rock up and if someone has had a a bad beef burger the night before guess what we can spend five minutes talking about beef burgers and it just feels so normal liberating yeah it is and I imagine that for you on the frontier of stepping into the muck and the merer of YouTube podcast World along with the rest of us it must be nice I I I really really hope that you have a turn of fun

and if and when you come out to Austin next or you're through America I'd love to bring your modern wisdom I think that we'd have a great chat I think we would I'd enjoy that let's finish off the quiz just a couple more uh podcast or book podcast mental strength or physical strength physical strength mental strength is Downstream from it see I think physical I think mental first I think mental strength is the number one issue in the world right now I think we need to make our young people mentally stronger they're all gym bunnies

dise they're all gym bunnies they're all they're all piling the weights on but they don't have it up here I think that most people are neither I think I think that most people have atrophied physically and mentally and I think that the easiest change that you can do trying to think your way out of overthinking is like trying to sniff your way out of a cocaine addiction and you can't really change the mind with the mind you have to change it with the body first so going for a walk will do way more for your

mood than sitting and thinking about and vacillating about whatever's dealing with you if I had the choice between a good night's sleep or a hard training session I would go to the gym because the difference in my mood before and after the gym is way more than and after a night's sleep so I don't disagree the two work sympatico together but for me if you do not have a physical practice of some kind and you're struggling with mental health you need to look at the physical side before you look at the mental side that is

the foundation that's the raw materials of what your mentality is going to grow out of Chris Williams said a fascinating interview thank you very much indeed I know the impact you have on people is real I know it's expanding I think you're a Force for good I think there's no ambiguity about that in comparison to people like Andrew um and I think you uh are doing great work keep it up I appreciate you thank you Pier take care