I'm just really hoping I'm getting it right and I'm not really like effing this up with a combined following of over 9 million Louise pentland really is one of the OG content creators Louise was so open in this episode I didn't want to spend all my time8 hours a day hating my life obviously a huge part of your career was really blowing up in your 20s can I just say we didn't call ourselves the brick crew all the teen Magazines had us on the front people would like scream like the Beatles in my home life
I was looking after a toddler I was going through a divorce it was just Bleak do you think that blowing up on YouTube had an impact on you deciding to leave your marriage that's such a good question no one's ever actually asked me that specific question I remember thinking either I'm going to stay till she's 18 or I'm going to go now how did you start to think despite All of the success this is not for me meet a man on Tinder and get Knocked Up that wasn't in the plan you've massively blown up on
Tik Tok is my sprinkler arinos the best way to start a new app a new social media platform is to with a combined following of over 9 million Louise pentland really is one of the OG content creators she originally grew through her blog titled sprinkle of glitter and YouTube channel of the same name that followed and she was part of The original brick crew of the YouTubers that took the UK scene by storm in the 2010s she met the pope Kim Kardashian and has four Sunday Times best-selling books but behind the Glamour and newf found
Fame she was actually dealing with a divorce and parenting a young child as part of this very popular YouTube group where she was actually the only mother as part of this entire group and this new I guess phenomenon of them absolutely blowing up Louise was so open In this episode we really covered a thousand topics she was very Frank and honest about her career her relationships the Minefield of parenting online managing her finances finding new opportunities and her approach to content it's such a good one and I really hope you enjoy it I will say
before we get into this episode we do mention themes of childhood abuse so if this topics are particularly sensitive to you you might want to give this one a Miss thank you so much for joining me thank you so much for having me I feel very privileged and very honored to be on your podcast no well thank you so much I'm really excited we have a lot to talk about a lot to dive into first of all I always ask everyone whether you feel like at the moment you are more working hard or hardly working
I would say hardly working because if you do a job you love it never really feels like work although that's the phrase but Actually it does sometimes feel like but mostly I would say no like when I think back to my old jobs this is the best one yeah I think that's a really valid point I talk a lot about how much of a privilege it is to like really genuinely love your job and to feel fulfilled by your job and to get lots of things from your job that's not just the exchange of like
labor for money um but at the same time I love my job and I [ __ ] hate it this week in particular So that's my confession not in In This Moment this podcast that's great it's another culprit don't you worry I'm very sorry to hear that if I can help in any way let me know I'm at your disposable so about an hour and a half I think well perfect maybe we'll go into that later so I'd love to hear from you a little bit about your childhood unfortunately my childhood isn't a nice childhood
it's not a lovely story of like great supportive parents and everything nice Um so career aspirations are pretty thin on the ground because survival was the aim of the game um so I was born to my mom and dad my mom got ill when I was five with cancer and sadly passed away when I was seven from the cancer and then someone came into my life who was really abusive it's taken me so many years to be e even able to say really abusive I would skirt around and say not very nice not too kind
uh but the fact is she was highly Abusive and it's only as I've gone through my own life that I've really acknowledged how abusive she was so that was from when I was seven so mom died when I was seven she died on the 20th of December and I met this new person on the 25th of December so we buried my mom on the 23rd and literally less than 48 hours later I met someone else and for 8 years I lived in a very volatile violent household so there wasn't a lot of room really to
think about things like what Would I like to be when I grow up because you didn't even have space to think about what would I like to do today your only thought was how can I avoid more violence so either there was violence towards me or they were having their own issues they didn't have a great relationship so I was just witnessing just a lot of aggression um I I keep saying violence but that I can't think of any other language to describe it so unfortunately I didn't Have the capacity to think much further ahead
but I knew that I didn't want that I knew that this wasn't normal I found it really diff I couldn't like pinpoint what wasn't normal because that age you just think okay this is how we live and also it's worth remembering that abusers are really intelligent so I was groomed to believe this is normal you deserve this this is how it should be so then when I when that all finished when I was about 16 17 I went to University and now I'm so proud of myself I'm like wow I achieved academically enough to get
to that point and when I got to University that when I was that's when I was like oh my God life is so good like is this what everybody's been having and I've been missing out on like friends and freedom and like warmth and laughing with people and choices that no one's going to like smash your face in for making I was like this is incredible and that's when I started to think life is Really good and I could grab this by the hands and I've never really had specific career goals but I've always been
like if there's an opportunity I will take that gratefully with both hands yeah no I really love that and I think that first of all I have to say I'm so sorry you went through that that is I I know it doesn't you know it's always so difficult because all you can really say in that Tye of sitation say but I know it's difficult isn't it but from your Side even in terms of like all you can say is you know like thank you and actually it's so much deeper than that and you've been through
so much and to be able to even like when we talk about things like you know what were your career aspirations as a child like that is so something to take for granted the fact that someone as a child could even have career aspirations when there are so many situations that you might be in that that is obviously nowhere near the Top of your list to be thinking about at that time yeah to think about the future is actually a privilege because if you're in a really dire situation the future doesn't matter you've only got
the present and if you're focusing desperately on like surviving the present there's no space I couldn't grieve my mother because I couldn't think about the past couldn't think about the future you just think about how will I get through this day and I Can't imagine how tough that was was there from that point obviously you you've said that when you went to University you start to realize I guess you know what I what I was experiencing wasn't normal and there's so much more to life and this is what I now get to experience and I'm
out of that type of situation was there a point that you started to unpack what you'd been through yes and no that's such a good question no One's ever actually asked me that specific question there were lots of little moments where I was like huh that's interesting but there was no one big big moment until my eldest daughter hit about six or seven because that's the age when everything kind of like started to go down hill for me but at University I remember I once went back to my friend fa's house and her parents were
like really nice I was like H that's that's this is not what I this is Not how I think a household would be um and it wasn't actually and so all all through the years of kind of growing into my 20s I was like H that's interesting and it wasn't a matter of unpacking it was just a matter of actually letting it sit in a box and just like that terrible thing happened and I was just so relieved it wasn't happening anymore I didn't want to deal with that I was like I just want to
enjoy my life I want to have friends I Want to have a boyfriend I want to do all these other things and I rushed into a marriage because I was like this is what I'm going to do now is create the family I never got to have I'm going to have a really lovely perfect calm happy family um in the end that didn't happen with we end up getting divorced but that was almost my career goal was to recreate thing I had lacked so much and then from that I was like actually I do want
to do things uh but it was when Darcy was about six or seven that I was like why would someone do that to a child and looking at how small she was I was like no I didn't deserve that that no child deserves that because I remember thinking when I was pregnant well I hope that I'm not too violent I hope that I don't hurt them too much and then as soon as I had that baby I was like I don't want to do that and it's not hard for me to not do that I
think that's what chokes me up because I think It is not hard to not abuse children in fact it's very easy to treat them nicely and respect them and love them why why did that happen no I can imagine that that's very on top of everything very disorientating to to have to learn I guess so much later than you would have liked to learn a family should and can be loving it can be supportive of it can be nonviolent and I think that you know finding that out later and as you Say especially finding that
out when you're in the process of kind of coming into motherhood is really really tough and disorientating like for you to be that time's already confusing enough like it's confusing you're pregnant you're you know about to have a family and really thinking about like what you'll be like as a parent and how much it will change your life and all of that and to be having essentially big realizations That are kind of okay on top of that maybe I need to go back and think that you know what I went through was so far from
normal and so far from okay and not just I'm not going to replicate it as badly like not going to go anywhere near and actually no one should ever have been near that I can imagine that's a big realization to have in your personal life it's a really beautiful realization when you look at your life and you're like huh my life is not Brutal it's really soft and it's really gentle and there's so much strength in that my life is never horrible and not just oh I hope that doesn't happen to me again I hope
no one does this it just doesn't and I don't allow it to and realizing that actually not only am I not like that but I'm actually so strong that I can prevent that ever happening to anyone in my family is incredible so as much as it was like w this is a bit of like this is pretty messed up Suddenly like huh there's a lot of power that comes from that to know that you are better than the people that came before you yeah absolutely and that takes a lot of strength and a lot of
redefining what you thought you know that position would be for yourself I want to talk about what you mentioned in terms of you know having been through the situation having come out of it being to University discovered kind of what you wanted from life and and really Thinking you know the main thing you wanted was to solve what you hadn't had which was to have and to build a loving family yeah you say that you rushed into a marriage and I think that that's a really valuable and very honest thing to say I think especially
having um you know a social media presence it's not an e easy thing to say especially when um you know you would have been online at that time and you would have been in that at that time where people were kind Of seeing you every single day but but I am really really interested and I've spoken about this a lot on the podcast about how experiences we have especially as children form the basis for the types of relationships we have in that you know there's this amazing um Ted Talk which I talk about a lot
which is called basically why you'll probably marry the wrong person um and it's all should have listened to a while ago by the way I'm getting married again next year so I Might just read I just listen to check yeah just in case time but it's it's so good and it's basically talking about the fact that you know we all go we all basically try and somewhat replicate you know what we know so we can deal with pain that we know we can't deal with pain that we don't know so how that manifests in most
people is and in you know more I guess normal circumstances than you grew up in was that if you have parents that are like Overly loving and kind of overbearing and over like very very involved you'll probably go for someone who suffocated hates you a little bit because you can deal with that like you understand that at the same time if you had very absent parents then you're likely to go for someone who's very avoidant and probably not very present and all of that because you replicate a pain that you know and I always find
that very interesting and I think that I see it a lot in my friends Like I see it a lot I'm like I can see exactly why you've been for this person and you go for this type of person again and again and again obviously something so clearly for you was you wanted to build peace like you wanted to build a loving family and and have a kind of peaceful relationship so for a lot of people they go for the complete opposite of what they had that is exactly what I did could you talk to
that a little bit yes I won't go too much into the Marriage because it's not because I don't have things I would love to say it's because it's obviously there's someone else and I don't want to give their life away um but for a long time it was a really peaceful happy relationship and I I will say the opposite of my violent turbulent horrible home life that I had experienced and Darcy was a much wanted much planned for baby um but I think if I'm really honest with myself and it's Embarrassing to say this because
I should have known better I I was so glad that somebody liked me so the my ex-husband was my first boyfriend and I was just so glad to feel loved and cherished that I gripped onto that so hard I dug my little claws in and did not let go and I sometimes I pushed and pushed I I remember pushing to be like oh you know when we get engaged it was me that would mention these things it would me that would push for this and I Just swept us along in this thing that I felt
like I needed so desperately and then as we grew into our 20s some people grow together some people grow apart and we grew apart and I just realized we are not the right people for each other we've both moved on and are very happy separately um but it will always be something that I carry in my heart that I feel sad and ashamed about because I broke up Darcy's family even though I know it was the right thing to do for Darcy as well I will always feel a bit sad that I made poor choices
I I understand that and I understand where that feeling comes from it makes me sad that you have that feeling and I completely understand why and I have no doubt that if I was in the same situation I would feel the same I can say as someone who who had or who has divorced parents who um at one point really liked each other um I do really really really strongly Believe that when things aren't meant to be working especially in a familial environment it's not necessarily right to push it because that can cause huge impact
on the people I fully agree that's why I left when I did cuz she was three and a half and I remember thinking either I'm going to stay till she's 18 or I'm going to go now because I can't have I grow up in a we when I say turbulent me and my ex-husband weren't turbulent like my my family home was but You know we would row we would like we didn't bring out each other's best selves and I was like oh I don't want her to grow up seeing this I don't want her to
see this version of me or this version of him I'll leave but I just I will just never be like yeah I'm not I'm not sad about that yeah of course of course and that is well within your right and I feel like as a as a mother you so want to protect and you want to like even part you know you've said Yourself so much of this was you wanting to to create a beautiful like loving family and I can understand why that doesn't feel the same when it's not in the initial unit the
embarrassing I had a massive Wedding made a big hooa about it put it online wrote all these blog posts so love and then I was like but you were guys yeah just all ploted I guess oh no and then it happened so many times then I got a boyfriend after that I was so excited cuz I was like oh my God at last someone fanes me again this is really exciting it was like a year and a bit after I was like here we go and I was like I'll keep this under wraps for a
few months because I don't want to rush and then I made a video being like H I've got a boyfriend two weeks later he was like I don't think it's working I was like are you joking I've just made a video you're on YouTube actually you actually signed a contract so now you Have to be with me for another year I never put him online or his face or even his name or anything uh but I was like okay well I'm just going to leave that video for a while before I make the no we're
not together but thanks so much that and then when I met Liam I was like I will I'm never saying anything until I know that you're not leaving me yeah no absolutely and I've I've had that feeling and I know very much how you feel and I think that it's very I don't Know it's it's just it's a weird situation to be in social media is weird yeah and I want to come on to that because obviously a huge part of your career was really you know blowing up in your 20s and so as I
was getting divorced C social media was like off the charts wild it was like this side of my life was like going very down and this side was going very up and that was weird so tell me about how the social media thing even started okay so I Worked in an office and I was the world's worst receptionist love yeah I paor Barry my boss who I'm still in contact with God bless him is retired now but could he have picked a worse receptionist no no he could not my only job this was my job
back ready answer phone answer door that was all I had to do and even that I didn't get right inspiring yeah yeah I am not a corporate girly um I learned that very quickly From The Bottom Rung of the Ladder not for me not an asset to any team at all um so yes whilst I was doing that I would use my time really wisely and read blogs and I was like God these are amazing because I've always loved magazines like you know paper magazines and then I found a Blog and I was like h
it's like a magazine on my computer that Allison who wasn't my boss but thought she was my boss can't tell that I'm reading at work this is amazing and then We moved down to Northampton so me and dary's Dad this before Dary this was I was living in Liverpool by the way University in Liverpool was was receptionist moved back down to Northampton where I'm from border house and I was like hm I'm going to make a Blog about my house and doing it up because we bought this like rundown fixer upper and I was like
I'm going to talk about like making my own cushions and curtains it was maybe The world's most boring blog actually at the time but it took off got Mega successful 35 readers and one of them was Kathy from Germany and Kathy said could you make a YouTube video on this and I was like yeah she probably actually didn't say it like that because she was German so she might have done it in like a German accent um so imagine that instead and so I was like huh I could maybe make a YouTube video to kind
of like talk about what I'm writing About and then I might get some more I might get a couple of people from YouTube who read my blog so yeah I'll do that by this time I'd gone temping and once again I was the world's worst administrator but I would go to these interviews and be like yeah I love administ I'm just very organized I love being in an office environment no I'm not I can't I terrible but I like having a job I like having a job and I also would like some money to buy
things and Do at my house and to pay my now mortgage and so whilst I was in my job I would read these blogs I was like I really want a more glamorous life I really wanted to have more I hated my job I didn't want to spend all my time 8 hours a day hating My Life 5 days a week and so I was like maybe I could write a blog and at first it was just fun it was something to do to like aeve the how much I hated my actual job and then
I Saw that people was like starting to make money people had ads down the side remember you could put those widgets down the side so I started to sell ad space and I was like oh my god I've made like 50 this week from this like my mega Market wget that's right for context people listening to the podcast I've accidentally updated my um laptop and added a widget and I thought that the only news was about Megan Markle for the past week and actually it turns out I've Accidentally added a Megan marle news widget so
every day I only get news on Megan Markle but now you'll be very impressed with Megan markle's Affairs I know although very sad with the State of Affairs of the types of news that comes in on Mega marle anyway a wild side you had widgets I have widgets we all love widgets so I started doing that and also at the time I was like oh YouTube is quite fun I'll keep doing that because I'll I wanted to support the blog Because I was like I could sell more of these widgets this would be amazing as
that happened the blog was really boring like bloody hell no one cares about whether I've made a crap pair of curtains no one cares but people did care about the YouTube videos because I was just I would sit with my laptop propped up on a upside down washing basket turn my webcam on I didn't it wasn't I couldn't edit I didn't even know that editing was a thing so I would Just press go on your webcam you filmed on your webcam all my videos were on my webcam and i' just be like hi today I've
been to session search and I would just tell people about it and they be like okay bye press the button upload that was it I didn't even know that you could edit and then a few people comment and then I realized oh there's other people that are making these videos cuz at first I thought it was just people in America um I forgot That the UK existed understandable and I was like huh there's other people and I got in touch with like other girls that were doing this and I started going to events whoa they
were very exciting for like little receptionist me got the train down got a goodie bag which on the train back I was like almost feral about it was all like very exciting and as YouTube grew and I started making more friends and more connections I um it Formed like a group we can I just say we Didn't call ourselves the brick crew there was never a time when we're like guys should we all just like sit down we need a name Workshop a bit of a name yeah yeah let's throw some names we see what
sticks yeah we didn't choose that it wasn't a thing we all just kind of like got lumped together one because we liked each other and we all got on but also we all had the same management which was gleam which rip my heart goes out to it at that point you didn't Actually need to have a huge platform to have a huge platform because it was right at the beginning of social so had yeah if you had thousands of followers in any way pretty big time um so can you just give me a little bit
of context on how long it took to get from the point that you started to the point that you were going to events and what type of followership you were at at that time yes so I started my blog in 2009 the First event I went to was in 2011 or 2010 cuz I was pregnant with Darcy and then that was just like slowly trickling along and I would say things got really big when me and another YouTuber it was Zoe sug went to this event that was like it was like I think it was
summer in the city but I don't know if it was summer in the city it was something like that and that's when there were loads of YouTubers and I remember at that point I think Darcy was like a toddler like one Or two so we're talking now 2012 2013 and I remember I had about 60,000 subscribers on YouTube and my blog a few thousand and I I think had Twitter don't think Instagram was even yeah a thing or it had just started and I was like posting flatlays of Katsu curries with sepia you know yeah
and then like with the caption yum you know hashtag yum hasht no didn't even know to use a hashtag I'm still not editing remember but it was when I met like Zoe And Flur and all of that lot and they were like oh you know you can edit I was like good God sorry what mortifying I'm sorry what is this and I'll tell you how I started editing I did my first ever brand job and it was with body shop and it was for £1,000 which they just paypaled me which now can you imagine just
being like yeah I'll PayPal you it yeah okay no contract no nothing and the next day I went out and bought a Mac um so that I could get IMovie on it and that's how I learned to edit I love that you know when I started YouTube I didn't realized that people spoke on YouTube so much like your lack of editing I just did like montages nice yeah really really nice so I only started YouTube because on lookbook maybe not even a lookbook far worse than that not very sophisticated um it would be it was
because basically you couldn't do more than 15sec videos on Instagram so and I was posting workout videos so I Had to to find a way to be able to post a whole workout cuz there's only so much you can show in 15 seconds I do have to say and I would post these like montages of me going to the gym but all you would see the video would start it would be my legs walking to the gym I still put that in videos that's that's a good open it's a good shot for sure um and
um then filming the whole workout then legs then I'd like wave at the Mirror by did you speed it up uh some of it yeah I used to Like to speed up my real so much that it's almost like you watch it like now watch back I'm like why did I why didn't I just edit that down as being like Oh I'll just speed that uptimes 10 to squeeze it all in have you considered a job in video editing yes that would be excellent then I considered why Brands were like we don't feel like you
can see our products like yes you can for one millisecond just there we talking about in I love That so when did it start so it's around this time you're starting to meet these other YouTubers talk to me about who was in The Brick crew and at what point it started becoming like a thing in popular culture yeah so in the brick crew was Zoe sug Alfie da Tanya Burr Jim Chapman Joe sug Casper Lee Marcus Butler and then sometimes there were I I feel like I was like the outskirts of like sometimes was in
sometimes was not in but that was I would say like the Croc Oh and um Naomi Smart Marxist girlfriend at the time um so I would say it was around like 2014 or 15 that I started to think huh this isn't just people that make videos for fun like I was in shout magazine and all the teen magazines had us on the front or articles about us we would go to these like huge conventions and people would like scream like the Beatles And I would look and think is that what I'm like oh it's it's
us okay and I just look by the way it looks so Gormless in all the photos cuz everyone's like waving I'm like why what's who's here us and that was like very surprising because you have to remember in my home life I was looking after a toddler I was going through a divorce I lived in like a little Terrace House in the suburbs of Northampton drove a secondhand bashed up Ford Focus and then I would go to events and be screamed at and have like VIP treatment and be on the front covers of Magazines and
it just was not marrying up when you think celebrity you think the whole celebrity lifestyle but I was having a very normal like stay-at-home mom lifestyle but then also this celebrity lifestyle and it it was really weird and so one point did you start to make good money from it I started to make good money and obviously good money is all subjective but good money to me means you can pay your bills you can pay your mortgage and then if you want to go Shopping and spend whatever not whatever you want but if you want
to go and have a great big Hall on the High Street you can do that if you want to book a holiday that's comfortable for you that to me is agree yeah so i' would say 2013 and that also is when I realized if I wanted to leave my marriage I could because leaving a marriage is hard but leaving a marriage with no Financial backup is extremely hard and as much as I don't Think money buys you happiness money buys you choices it's an amazing lubricant so it allowed us to split our households quite quickly
I was able to rent somewhere um for him to live and for me to stay in the home and to get that going quite quickly and not not emotionally easily but logistically easily so that's when I know if anyone ever asked when did that start making money I know because that for me is like a little pinpoint like a life life pin And did you do you think that blowing up on YouTube had an impact on you deciding to leave your marriage yes and no again sorry she saying yes and no but I think there's
always two sides of things it was never YouTube that made me want to leave my marriage it was like oh I I'm going to like quit this marriage because I'm going to be a YouTuber married to my fans yeah I'm going to be married to my fans I'm going to get myself a YouTube Boyfriend um no nobody wanted to go out with me from YouTube um such a shame um it was seeing a different way of living and realizing that in some scenarios I was really happy in some scenarios I really wasn't happy and sometimes
you don't notice that you're unhappy if you're unhappy gradually like in my childhood if you're being smashed in the face every other day that's unhappy but if you're in a relationship that very very very slowly and gently has gone Downhill it takes a lot to make you wake up and realize and I realized that when I was doing certain things and I was aw and I I was like huh this makes me really happy and that's when I was like I don't think this is good for either of us we're not bringing out our best
the best in each other I was my best version of myself when I was at events when I was doing YouTube when I was away and then I'd come home and not be a very different version so I was like I don't Like the person I am being and obviously as part of that group The Brick crew group you were one of the only ones if not the only one with a child I was the oldest and the only mom yeah talk to me about how you navigated that in general cuz it was a very
different time I mean I remember that time because I remember that's when me and my friends started watching YouTube like that was very much when we were like oh this is a thing and people watch these people um and it was Very like like pranks focused and like you know just like fun and like entertainment I never want to have ham on my face again like please so many please never um and but talk to me about how you navigated that because I can imagine that's you know you've obviously just blown up on this you're
basically developing a whole new career from what you thought you'd have but at the same time you know you've already said you're Navigating a divorce but on top of that you have a child and the only one as part of that who does have a child it was a blessing and a curse the curse of it was I could I never felt fully part of the group because I could never just be like totally free I could never be like carefree and like yeah okay I can come and hang out for 3 days I can
go on that trip I can do all these things because time was so precious and limited but also it was a blessing because I was I I never got swept up in things because I couldn't like you you're always very grounded when you've got a child that's like vomiting up on you in the night like it's hard to it's hard to like maintain that ego of look how special I am when you're like doing the nursery run in the pouring rain you know so I'm glad of that and also um I think it made it
easier to get out because motherhood was my main focus which now I feel like now the next topic is why did you want To get out yes well you've led me up nicely to this I've set that at well for you yeah you're very good at this how did you start to think do you know what despite all of the success that is going on here and all of the involvement in this like amazing cultural moment this is not for me yeah well first of all I didn't know it was a cultural moment I don't
think any of us really knew the scale of it until afterwards um so whilst at the time it just felt like a Really exciting like wild ride you know I can't you have you ever been on an amazing holiday it felt like I was just on this long amazing holiday and every time I thought oh that's probably the end of it something else would come up that we would all get to go and do that was really exciting and fun and as I I loved all of that I loved so much of it and there
was so much fun like I can't tell you the experiences are just the laughs I've had like the things I never Would have thought that like someone like me would ever get to do were amazing High Highs but also low lows like being in hotel rooms far away from my baby like texting someone that I'm breaking up with like trying to arrange Child Care going I don't know you've never been through a doors thankfully hope you never have to but like all the legalities of that the paperwork like it was just Bleak and I just
thought I can't I can't actually keep up with this I can't keep up with the speed I I can't go to London and do pranks and do all the tri can't hide for 24 hours in a toy shop I can't hide for 24 hours in toys IRS in a box I just can't do it I'm it down like I can't do it I don't want to put Ham on my face I've done the household makeup challenge more times than I ever want want to and as my home life was becoming more and more mature as
in like I was adulting pretty hard I was like doing like Transfer of equity forms and I had a solicitor and I was I was going through all this like stuff and starting to go dating I was on Tinder like meeting guys on dates and then being like what do you do and it's like 24 hours inys us well I make videos what about oh you putting Marmite on my eyebrows for fun like I just thought I this isn't me and I felt really fake and forced not with the people I really loved the relationships
and the connections and that was lovely But the content I was creating just wasn't me like it was really hard to be being two versions and I never actually set out to be like a children's entertainer and I just thought all these teenagers are watching and I could carry on making this content for them and being like a bit wacky and silly but at what point are they going to be like it's just a bit cringey and weird if I feel cringey and weird now give it a couple of years they will and then we're
All just like where are we then so I thought if I want this to be to have any longevity I really need to like nip this in the bud and change what I'm doing and so I made this video like end of an era I was like I so first of all I started to slowly phase it out but it was just really difficult sometimes you just got to be like no I'm changing so I changed my username which was sprinkle of glitter to Lou pentland and I was like guys I'm divorced I'm dating I
I really Want to talk about these things these matter to me these are interesting to me and as much as I see the value and all the fun content that was being made by the creators it wasn't for me but I have no judgment for anyone that does make that cuz I'm like there is a place for that and there are people that should be doing that but it just wasn't me and how did you navigate that transition because I can imagine the obviously it sounds like very much the right decision and I Think it's
also one of those things that you can look back and be like y that was right at the same time you were earning a lot of money you were you know getting a huge amount of popularity you're getting the the main thing that people on social media generally aim for which is lots of views and lots of kind of Engagement and all of that was there a drop off after the end of an era Point yes yes there was um which I thought there might be but I was like huh that's More than I thought
it was going to be um because at the time I measured success in those numbers I was like oh no I've now dipped in success now I don't think of success like that but I remember um we had a few brands that were like oh we don't want to work with her anymore we had one brand particularly that was really angry and was like you've changed everything you've like changed your branding and didn't tell us about this they were so Cross I had a magazine a teen magazine rang my manager and was like well we're
not going to put her in this magazine anymore and my manager was like that's okay she will that is kind of the point but they they were they seemed really like they were very cross about I was like okay I don't think people would be cross um so a big bunch of the teens dropped off which completely understandable because I expect that I was like just so you know stay if you Want to i' would love to have you but I'm not going to be making that content that you want anymore so if you do
want to go that is okay so a lot of them did go which is completely understandable um but then I found my new audience you know like your Viber tracks your tribe I was talking about things that mattered to me that were as someone that was like mid to late 20s and I found this new audience that was so engaged and although it's always been smaller than That like hysteria of the teenage years it's so much more real because I'm like ah you're my people love I love teens they're lovely but they're not my peers
but these people were my peers and so I absolutely loved it and was there a drop off in income initially yes because I wasn't making the content that was like serving teenagers but then it picked up again really quickly because actually the like let's be blunt about it the people that have spending power are not 13y old girls it's 25y old women that have got bit of disposable income or mothers or you know women so actually it was a sort of a rough year but it was a great move because all the brand deals I
had then all the opportunities were much more authentic and also pretty massive so thanks a lot enjoyed that yeah um what would you go back and say to the Louise who's like in the middle of all of the big height of success but not but there's a little Bit of a disconnect in terms of like the way you want to be seen so you obviously like want to be seen as a peer and as an adult and as someone who is navigating big life things and all of that and obviously you're kind of being perceived
as an Entertainer yeah what would you go back and say to that Louise in terms of how to design the future that you want honestly I would just going to say don't worry about it you're going to make the right choice there's lots of Things I've done in my life like I shared earlier that I was like oh I feel so terrible about it but I don't I feel like I made the exact right choice at the exact right time um it was 2016 when I was like I'm I'm bowing out of this but all
the best to everyone else and I really do mean that like all the best but this I can't do this anymore and I feel like that was exactly the right time because then I met Liam um on Tinder then fell pregnant which was Surpris like meet a man on Tindra and get Knocked Up that wasn't in the plan uh and then like life got pretty busy with looking after this baby this surprise baby I call her my best bonus baby I like that and I like that she has a theme tune as well that really
makes me happy um so talk to me about that because obviously you've you've got this audience you're still very much on social media yeah things are going really well I was having a great time And then I was like oh I'm pregnant and so how did you deal with that with online I guess I just shared it online I was just like oh guess what plot twist here we are so basically I haven't ever had like a massively massively in-depth strategy other than just like just share as a go so and it was like oh
I've got this boyfriend who dumped me then I was like oh I'm dating someone else and fingers crossed it's going it's going to go okay it's going to be all right uh And then I was like oh I am now pregnant thankfully Liam was on board so I did a pregn test on my own at home because I was like B I didn't even think I was pregnant but I was actually on a shoot for bloggers Fair magazine remember they called be Creator now and on the shoot I felt really funny and someone said ah
maybe you're pregnant and it was like in a film I was like oh oh my God H actually like I might just check that when I get in so every time I see That cover now I'm like she's pregnant did the pregnan test I was like H okay we are with child I will have to let Liam know but I was like whatever happens I will have this baby because I'm financially secure I'm a strong person I can do this and this is why I think it's so important for women to have their own money
have a stash I know it's a privilege but if you can have a little stash of money for when your Tinder boyfriend knocks you up by Surprise you know like have it on or or any other emergency you know just have that there other emergencies are available yeah other crises are available not the pearls of Crisis but at the time I was like hm okay and then I told Liam actually I slightly lied to him because I knew that he'd always wanted to have children but just it hadn't happened for him he's a bit older
than me it hadn't happened and so I messaged him I was like when you come Home from work can you bring a pregnancy test cuz I feel a bit funny I thought well I I need to have this moment with him I can't deny him this moment so I thought I'll just never tell him I've already done a pregnancy test I'll start this on lies on a bed of Lies yes love Yeah brilliant start as we mean to go on that's right so did the pregnancy test and I was like you look you tell me
I can't look thinking well no it's going to be pregnant but I was like you look You look and he looked he's like oh not pregnant I was like I was like oh so really there must be a glitch yeah I was like really look look again and he was like no it's two lines I was like oh I think that means pregnant and he was like oh amazing and he was so happy I was like well that's a turn up for the books and so point I just bought a house for Darcy and I
and I was like if you want to move your stuff in and stay here permanently I.E Live with me and raised this child let's do it and he was like okay and it it bloody worked out I love that I love how well that worked out I feel like I love that for me yeah no big fan of that but I also think that it's such a testament to the fact that we spend so much time trying to plan things perfectly and you spent so much time being like you know this is how I'm going
to build a family and right after you need and all of that and then that not necessarily working And it very much like falling into place now I just got really lucky with Le like we really really compliment each other he's very laid-back about things he has his own career as police officer he's really passionate about that so we never we never compete for like who's the biggest and bestest but we're both quite driven in our own things so it's like very easy to support him and be happy for his success and he supports me
it's happy for my success and we both very on The same page with parenting as well which we just got lucky with I think we're both pretty we're pretty well balanced I'm saying all this and then we're going to get married next year but if we do get divorced I'll come back on and do like an update and do like it it actually was never very good sorry yeah actually like my Aunt ju is like never liked him even though I I know I never liked him I knew from the start never liked him exactly
that and talk to me About your parenting style cuz obviously you didn't have an easy childhood at all and I can imagine that has a huge impact on then how you very intentionally parent yes what is your parenting style and how did you build that so I don't know the name of my parenting style I would say it is closest to gentle parenting but it's not uh I am a gentle parent but it's not gentle parenting in the in the definition that you might see in parenting books um I would say I'm a Respectful parent
I really really respect my children and people because I felt like I lacked so much respect and so much of the abuse that I had when I was younger was because no one respected me so someone abused me and my dad neglected me because they didn't respect they didn't value me so I really let my children know I value you I respect you that doesn't mean I worship them or they're allowed to do what they want or they can Walk all over me but if I demand respect from them they should also be demanding respect
from me whatever the age so it starts with that also in terms of uh so I I parent with a lot of love and rather than like force and Punishment if something goes wrong I'm more education and correction I do think that what you've said about respect is so so true I think it's like self-respect as an adult very much derives from respect given as a child And same with selfworth I think I was about to and worth and value yeah yeah cuz I think that like I don't know I think so so much about
how I want to parent my children and how much I want them to have that selfworth and that be given based on the fact that I have worth in them and I tell them over and over and over to the point that they build that up themselves because I think that that's actually one of the things that like as an adult I've realized that Like no wonder I was so wishy-washy and all over the place and didn't necessarily like value myself if I you know didn't have that from a kind of you are great you
are very hard worker and you are a lovely friend and like all of these different things I think that it's it's very hard to understand those things about yourself when you haven't perceived that from anyone around you and the place you generally perceive that from as a child is your parents Your family and I I think about that a lot because I think that there are some people I meet who I'm like I can tell your parents loved you a lot and they were so generous with their words and their love and all of that
and it really reflects in how they think of themselves like you can tell I'm like wow I could not tell you a single thing about yourself and I do think self- awareness is important but like they have this unwavering sense of worth because it's Been instilled in them that no matter what they do they are still worth XY Z and they should be still respected in like XYZ way and I do think I don't know I feel like it's just something I've been thinking about recently in terms of like that's really hard to build on
your own yeah and really hard to be in a situation where you've like had to build that on your own so I often think about that in terms of a parenting context and What you'll do now though is like really drill it into them and now I'm thinking like okay but I don't want to like make you I don't want to make you like really arrogant I want you still to be like humble nice respectful people so it's like finding that balance of like okay you are important you are worthy but you are not more
important than someone else you are just as important as everyone else it's like I go back and forth all the time but I think it's generational Cuz you know how now we don't say to girls you're so pretty you're so pretty I do tell my children they're pretty all the time cuz I do think they are the most beautiful children in the world um but I try really hard to find different language for them like you're such a good friend or when Pearl will say something clever like Paul that is so clever that you thought
about that and worked that out I'm so impressed by that um and try and find different ways to Praise and they're like well you're so cute even though honestly I want to squish their little faces in with my hands with love cute like when you see a cat and you're like no I completely agree with that and I think that I I actually saw this video the other day no idea where I saw it probably Tik Tok was on your mega Mar app probably on my mega Mar legit um and it was it was basically
it was someone asking at like with a parenting expert Or psychologist or someone and basically saying you know I went through XY Z I so want to build a wonderful family for my children like how do I ensure that this doesn't come through and this you know is what I'm able to build and all of that and I remember the expert just replied like the fact that you're thinking about this means you're going to be fine like the fact that you think do you know what I want to build their selfworth but I don't want
them to be Arrogant and I don't want them to not be self-aware and all of those things the fact that you think that means you're building that because there's no world in which you know you'd see that arrogance and not be like okay I tell you you're wonderful all the time and you are wonderful but that does not mean that person isn't wonderful and that you can talk to them like that whatever it might be yeah I mean there's still loads of other little mess up things in my Childhood that like I am now imprinting
onto my children I don't want to but I can't help like Liam always Liam always say you've got such a problem I have so much food in my house my fridge is always so full things go off so quickly we have CBS full of food and Liam's like you've got a problem but it's cuz food was something that was used as a weapon as a child so now I'm always always like we must have like I can't just have like two tins of beans I need 20 to make sure That like if ever we needed
beans we've got beans um so I still do those things but I try not to let I try not to let my storm wet my children you ever don't let your rainstorm wet someone else I forgot what the phrase is I kind of gross the way I said that but like trying look it up on Pinterest or something it's a bit better we could deliver it in an aesthetic quote for that would be really nice star wipe to the quote over my face no I really like that um yeah no I I do Think about
it a lot and I feel like it's always a balance of like being able to make sure that you don't impress things on your children that are so far the opposite of obviously like what you went through and end up having different negative impacts but I think as well as a generation like we are so much more aware of these things and so much more aware of like even parenting as a concept so much more resource like I have a phone in my bag that I can find Out anything I need to find out like
my parents were pretty terrible my mom was lovely and loving but you know dying inconvenient but like they didn't have what we have now like ultimately our goal and I think our goal is the same is have children don't [ __ ] them up have a good life and we have so much more at our fingertips to allow us to do that now yeah no absolutely and I think that it's always so complex and I think that the only thing that could ever make It more complex is also doing it online so I do also
want to ask how you find the experience of parenting online because I can imagine that's a bit of a mine field yes it's a mindfield online and it's a mindfield in my mind um that's a bit of a tongue twister there so the mindfield online is probably the easiest thing to talk about and that is everyone's got an opinion everybody you could be the juiciest Peach in the bow someone won't Like peaches like you could say I parent like this and someone like you shouldn't do that so actually I don't actually share how I parent
very often if you look through any of my socials now years ago I'd be like very much like I'm a parenting vlogger I'm going to share my par in tips here's my hacks here's what I think you should do I don't do any of that anymore I'm just like I will stay in my Lane I'm doing me you do you and unless I think you're doing something Extreme you crack on um but The Children online thing is something that I think about all the time I have gone back and forth on this so much because
it's so subjective and it's such a sliding scale that evolves it's like playing a game that the rules change every year and you don't quite know where the goalposts are and you are trying to be as careful as you possibly can that's how I feel like I'm living and I've always tried to make choices with my children online that Feel comfortable to us as a family align with certain boundaries I've put in place and also what will they think when they're older so certain parenting things I won't share online like for example potty training I
appreciate that that's a really valuable thing for people to share because I I watched poy training videos very helpful however I don't feel comfortable sharing a talk about my children's potty training J you'll never Know how they did with potty training I can assure you they are both potty trained um and so am I and so am I just about I'm getting there um I just won't share it because I think what will 30-year-old Darcy think when she is in an office perhaps and someone's like oh look there's a video of you that that's the
potty your mom bought you like no um I put a heart on Pearl's face the other day on stories and I had a lot of messages being like why are you taking Offline I was like no but I know that that picture of her was not objectively flattering she had like some dinner on her face I was like I'm just not going to put that version of her online it's my job as their Guardian to make sure that either I don't put anything online or I put their best version online uh I don't share them
when they're having a meltdown I don't share bad days I don't share I don't share what they eat I don't share their academic performances Unless it's like amazing like oh Pearl did amazing something I'll share it but I'd never be like one of my children has this issue one I just I just won't because I think that's theirs um and there's so much so many times I thought oh I really want to share this thing I'm like actually that's that's not mine that's theirs however there will always be people that think I share too much
because they don't share anything so it's so subjective there's Other creators there's family creators that I look at their videos and I feel deeply upset and uncomfortable because I think you are putting so much of your from a safety perspective from like a moral perspective from a maternal perspective I think I can't bear it I've cried over things I've seen online before that just I can't believe that's I can't believe you're doing this but then people look at me and be like well I can't believe you're doing that you've Shared doy dance photos you've talked
about Pearl's birth so that's something I play with all the time in my mind and think I worry about it I really worry about it and I think I'm prepared for them to come to me when they're older and say I'm not happy about that and I will the first thing I'll say I'm so sorry and the second thing I'll say is every single choice I made I thought was for the best at the time and I thought I'd put the correct boundaries and like Personal guidelines in place and if I got that wrong I'm
so sorry but I've tried not to at the moment they're both pretty happy like pear she's she's six Darcy loves social media and I've said to a few times are you happy do you want to do this and she's like I love it she wants to do more I have to rain Darcy backs I'm like gab we can't you can't put that on the Internet or like she wants to share a lot of like dance stuff I'm like not in that LE we're not we're Not putting leotards on like cuz she's 13 so she doesn't
know um so it's really difficult because I now have what's right to do but also Darcy being like I want more I want more I want to do more want more like what's I don't know what to do because we're the first people doing this like who else is older than me and has children that have grown up and gone through it and that can guide me no one we're like at the Forefront of this new age and I'm just really hoping I'm getting it right and I'm not really like effing this up but I
again I think it's one of those things that like if you're thinking about it and talking about it and willing to hold your hands up at points where you maybe don't get it right I feel like that's kind of the best we can do because you're right that like it hasn't been done before and everything hasn't been done before at one point and sometimes it was a terrible idea and sometimes it was a Fine idea and you know I think that there'll be so many people as well that watch your videos that it does really
help them in XYZ way and if you didn't have that they wouldn't get that benefit and there will does it help my children that's what I have to ask myself course but exactly but there's always there's always both sides to it and there's so many people involved that it's very hard to know at what point both sides come into play and what is the right decision But it sounds like the way you think about it is probably kind of the best you can do and whenever new information comes up you can respond as needed to
that information but I can imagine what's well what I would find really hard I think and what I go back and forth on a lot in terms of like whether I'll stay on social media or like when I have a family or like you know whatever it might be will you will you you will but I think it's like one of the things that makes me think about that more is the constant opinions like the constant opinions over like doing something right not doing something right like having to like should have made a better decision
all of that because I feel like it's so intrinsic for parents as people especially when like hopefully self-aware to be a to actually go back and forth on things and be like am I doing this right am I not Doing this right like should I have said that like I have no doubt I'll beat myself like I do this all the time at work I'll have had a meeting with someone and it was you know it wasn't going to be a nice meeting and it was a difficult conversation and I'm like oh I shouldn't have
said that like that and I should have said this like this and like maybe that would have upset them or made them feel like this and I can imagine just with parenting it's 10 times Worse uh yeah but how do you deal I guess with so many different opinions at the same time as you're trying to navigate just doing a good job of being a parent yeah okay so to deal with the opinions the first thing I do is filter what I'm reading so I'll read the comments on my social media platforms that people are
leaving for me directly to me I won't seek out anything else I won't go on the websites that people can like share their opinions willy-nilly I Think if you've written it there it's not for my you've not written that for me you know the phrase someone else's opinion isn't of your business I really try and like think about that a lot um if I read something that I initially think of as negative I'll look at it be like what is the message in this is is this someone just being horrid or is this actually something
constructive because sometimes people like I'm not being funny but blah blah blah and You're like first of all no you're not funny but second of all actually that's like a help that's useful I can use that to my advantage and I can use that to like better myself or better my family situation so thanks um but I think the key is you have to have to have to make sure that you are doing what you truly think is right for the right reasons and when you're doing that other people's opinions don't matter quite as much
if you're doing Things maybe for the wrong reasons maybe an amazing brand deal has come in that's loads and loads of money but you've got to put your children in it in a way that you don't actually think is comfortable but it's a lot of money so you take the money that's when you're on Shaky Ground that's when like the opinions will that that would eat me up you have to be doing things for the right for the right reasons and sometimes that does mean you don't take the job you don't go to that Event
you don't do that particular thing because you're I mean it's so obvious this isn't groundbreaking but your family is more important than money and success isn't success doesn't equal the most money you can possibly have success equals the most stable loving good family you can have no I think that's a good way of good way of I guess addressing it and being able to filter through like what things you should be listening to and what things you Shouldn't over the last few months you've had a bit of a I guess not career change but a
career development in that you've massively blown up on Tik Tok late to the party hugely late to the party but here I am here I am I've got my shot shot shots and I'm ready to go until 10 p.m. then it's bedtime tell me about how that's been cuz I can imagine having like a second blowup moment has felt quite in such a different stage of your Life yes it's very cool so basically I thought I was too old for Tik Tok and I didn't really understand it and everyone kept saying go on Tik Tok
I was like no I can't cuz I'm afraid of all new things I'm actually a total teenagers no I teenagers are okay because I've got a teenager and also fun fact I'm a I'm a theater Sheron so I Sheron teenagers like teenagers there's lots of teenagers in my life they're okay I'm just scared of new tech which is ironic since my Whole job I make all of my money based on Tech things uh but I can't use Tech and find remember I couldn't edit didn't even know you could edit still actually can't edit that well
um but I thought I'll give Tik Tok a little go and I started trying it I didn't really gel with it for at least a year but what I did was I consumed it for like two years I like I the the best way to start a new app a new social media platform is to understand and to be a consumer of it And try it and learn how it works so I did that and I was like oh my God I love this I loved the content on it I love the freedom I loved
the algorithm I was like the algorithm knows the inside of my mind like it's witchcraft what it's doing how does it know that I like so many things I'm like how does it know I like this so much people squeezing soap Yes have you seen it they cut it all up into little bits and then they go and they squeeze It and it all breaks apart [ __ ] lovely it does sound amazing you really sold it to me yeah it's when I found pollypocket talk that I knew that it knew me I was like
yes hello anyway then I was like I could make some videos on here much like the initial like I could make a YouTube video started putting them on I thought this is my fun platform cuz this is my doesn't matter platform I make no money on here I've got no brand sponsors on Here can do will say what I like no one cares this is complete freedom and then all of a sudden this audience came in and I was like where what is this it was all the Teen teachers that left YouTube when I was
like I'm not going to put Ham on my face anymore I want to talk about grown up things they've now grown up and I'm still talking about my grown up things and they're like hi we're back and I'm like welcome back and it's like I've got all my like my little chicks Back in their nest and we're having a great time over there because there doesn't seem to be any rules like don't need a thumbnail doesn't need to be glossy don't need to edit it you just string bits together say your things put it on
and then all your people are there it is is my favorite app and I went to a Tik Tok event and I was very excited internally externally I was like this but internally I was like and how has it felt I guess like Having that you know moment again have you felt kind of like great cool I'm going to lean into this more I'm going to do more and more of it have you felt a bit scared about it because of what I guess last time no cuz it's not scary the people are really nice
it because it's my old it's my like it's my sprinkler arinos if you remember back in the day um it's those people and if ever there is someone that's like a bit mean in the comments they're all like hey Don't say that about Louise I'm like thanks guys like I went to the ntas a while ago and I wore this lovely dress and you know how people like do commentary on people's outfits this one guy was doing commentary and he was like um this first of all um he no that was someone else that thought
it was Gemma Collins sorry someone else said there's Gemma Collins in her blue dress I was like m it's not I it's not never mind but he Was like oh here's Louis pen and it's giving Mom but he said it in like yeah and I was like oh and I made a video about it being like Oh no well I am a mom and oh no what could I do to not give Mom because on a red carpet I don't want to give Mom I want to give I don't actually know what I want to
give but not not not like Mom like Mom but not mom there's a difference anyway everyone was so nice everyone was like you look lovely and they were like don't say that About Louise she's our mother and I was like oh thanks guys that's right oh that's so lovely it feels like such like a full circle moment it does feel like a full circle moment I was like guys this is wonderful and I feel really like loved and now I'm like some sort of Tik Tok Ambassador I was saying to Charlotte on the train I
was like Charlotte you really need to get Tik Tok and all my friends at my age like I'm too old I'm like no no you're not we're on there Find us it's very exciting oh I'm soy I think everyone else found this excitement in like 2020 no I was the exact same I was very late to it and I still don't consume it which is a real no you must it's a real issue I must not because I have real fixation issues and I will be found there 12 hours later Grace have you heard of
junk journaling my God there's women on there with stationary like you've never seen before they are doing imagine a flatlay on Crack it's incredible I send it to me will I send it to you yeah I'll send you like a full a full deck of all the I've s I've s so many crafts I've tried so many foods and I don't like to try new foods my favorite food is beige but I've tried other Foods I've even considered traveling and I don't like to go away CU I find it very frightening I've even thought about
going to new places because of Tik Tok this is changing my life yeah well I'm So happy for you it sounds amazing and it sound big yeah I will too make sure you come join I'm my J journalist it's at Louise pentland thank you and so tell me about the next stage of your career is there anything that you look at your career now and go like do you know what this is my career goal this is where I want to get to Yes um desperately Clinging On no uh well actually yes or every year
I'm like if I could just get through one more year That'd be so great if people still let me for one more year um so that's always at the back of my mind because it this is social media and it's fickle I would if I'm being serious about my I would really really love to combine social media and traditional media so I already like dip my fingers a little bit in traditional media with like TV I've got a column in hello BBC Radio Northampton slot all those sorts of things but I would love for it
not to be social media And traditional media but for it just to be media I would love to be doing more things on TV on radio I love my my books I've got a new book coming out next year so I would really like to just stay doing all the things I already do but just sort of like grow them a little bit into those areas I'm not very businessyoutube I was a terrible boss because I just want to be everyone's friend and I'm just a massive melt so like you know When you said business
you have meetings with hard conversations I I absolutely would not have a hard conversation I like you know what guys we're just going to have to fold the whole business you know sorry very sorry I'll give you all all my money just go away never speak to me again and let's never talk about this again thank you thank you so much goodbye I'm going to going to cry in the toilets now and shake for a while like it's not for me like business isn't For me so all I want to do is carry on doing
what I'm doing maybe a little bit bigger and still be happy I love that I think all want I think that's very important and I think that a big I think that especially with social media now there's so much aim towards the same things like it's like success has to look like the same thing for everyone it has to be something that all of us like all of us are trying to go for this type of thing all of us are trying to go for This type of thing and that is what success looks like
and I do think that actually what you've said about like what you're good at what you like and what you can make money from like the intersection of those things is an incredibly important thing to you know talk about and be aiming for and to know that like just because success looks like that for that person it doesn't look like that for me and you can choose what success looks like for you I think For the longest time I was like success is scaling up success is saying you're a businesswoman success is having the most
money the most brand collaborations the most projects the most different streams of Revenue and I tried lots of those things and some of them were really successful um I've got a property portfolio that I rent out and I think I'm quite I try to be like an ethical land lady um I've written seven books all these things I've tried to do but Some things I've tried to do and I've just been absolutely garbage at and it's just not for me and then I felt like a massive failure and been like I've really let myself down
I've let everyone down I'm not successful but you have to ask yourself what is success for you and initially if you go right back to Childhood My Success was just to have a happy safe family and I have a happy safe family and if I can maintain my happy safe family and I can provide for Them I can pay my bills and have a bit extra to have some nice holidays and get my hair washed every week and you know come to London and do nice things that's enough for me that is success for me
but that doesn't mean that I think that's the only form of success because success for example my dad is a businessman success him is very Financial I'm like yeah good for you crack on success means something different to everyone else and if we all wanted the same thing well First of all that would make competition very difficult but also be a little bit boring wouldn't it yeah no I completely completely understand that and I think that it's how everyone needs to be looking at it and I think it's often something that we discover along the
way rather than kind of at the beginning it's very easy to be like I want to be in corporate I want to be a you know business owner I want to be XYZ and actually really being like okay cool do You like the five things that that's made up of every single day um is important and not done enough and I don't think if had Barry on the line he'd be like corporate's not for Lise I that would have been helpful from day one he should have said that in the interview shouldn't he should have
been like you don't strike me as a corporate girly you know every day I would try and match my ey Shadow to my cardigan color and I felt like I was really smashing Life see I think that's actually a very important part of corporate life I you would have smashed Tik Tok at that time let me tell you oh my I knew every day going here are The Cardigans and ey Shadows I've worn this week yeah and I went bold with a lot of those choices cuz I was on the front desk I had that
desk with the little glass bit mhm yeah cuz I was the face of the business L yeah it was a construction firm so it wasn't super glamorous but You looked glamorous but I was there with my mint green eyes Shadow feeling like a badass so before we end I'd love to know from you what the best piece of advice is that you've ever been given oh my God okay the these are two little phrases that I always think to myself the first one is if you do what you've always done you'll get where you've always
got so if you keep doing the same thing and getting the same results that's on you you need to change what You're doing you have to keep trying new things even though it can be very frightening especially if you're just a massive melt like I am you have to force yourself to try these new things and leading on from that the second thing is fortune favors the brave sometimes you have to do the brave uncomfortable things if you want that reward and I do want those rewards so I push myself out of my comfort zone
which is very small as it is but you've really got to push Yourself and you can do it if if people like me can do it and I'm not special I was just a kid from Northampton that got bashed around a bit came out of it and thought I'll have a go at this if I can do this anyone listening can do anything that they would really like to do but you do just have to do it don't sit in your office job and be like oh I wish I had a I wish I was
out do it set up your YouTube channel set up your floristry shop set up whatever you want to set up But actually do it no I love that I think that's great advice and thank you so much you've been amazing thanks for having it's been like a little therapy session to go teasers and a cry just let it all out i' love this I'll come with you I need a bag of M teasers and a cry I said a bag of malti not a [ __ ] did you think no I said a bag of
mtis too a [ __ ] maltas and a cry oh no no no don't SM and that's what we'll be doing next sponsored by um I don't even know what a Cigarette brand is they allow ad they're not allowed to adverti legally oh that's why I've never seen any ads and that's a great place and and thank you for having me Grace this has been really brilliant thank you so much [Music]
