'They don't care': Trump, Musk, and DOGE roll on despite court rulings and low approval numbers

AND HOST OF THE HOME FRONT PODCAST. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF PODCAST. I I HAD THE PLEASURE OF JOINING HIM LAST WEEK, AND HE IS JOINING HIM LAST WEEK, AND HE IS SUBJECTED TO JOININGNG US TONIG.

SUBJECTED TO JOINING US TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT, MR. BAKER, TO YOU ALL RIGHT, MR.

BAKER, TO YOU FIRST. A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYS THAT FIRST. A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYS THAT WHAT ELON MUSK AND DOGE DID WITH WHAT ELON MUSK AND DOGE DID WITH USAID WAS LIKELY USAID WAS LIKELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

SO WHAT DOES UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? PUT P PUT PUT THAT ME THAT MEAN?

PUT PUT PUT THAT MOVE ASIDE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ASIDE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR DOJ'S MISSION ACROSS THE BOARD?

DOJ'S MISSION ACROSS THE BOARD? >> WELL, LOOK, IT UNDERCUTS THE >> WELL, LOOK, IT UNDERCUTS THE VERY HEART OF WHAT DOGE HAS DONE VERY HEART OF WHAT DOGE HAS DONE SO FAR. RIGHT.

THE MOST SO FAR. RIGHT. THE MOST PROMINENT ACHIEVEMENT, IF YOU PROMINENT ACHIEVEMENT, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, , THE MOST WANT TO CALL IT THAT, THE MOST PROMINENT THING THAT THEY'VE DONE WAS TO DISMANTLE THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES FOREIGN AID UNITED STATES FOREIGN AID PROGRAM, TO LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM, TO LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF ALL THE WORKERS, GET RID OF ALL THE WORKERS, CLOSE THE BUILDING, REESTABLISH CLOSE THE BUILDING, REESTABLISH IT AS PART OF THE STATE IT AS PART OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT WITH ONLY A FRACTION DEPARTMENT WITH ONLY A FRACTION OF WHAT IT WAS DOING LEFT OVOVE.

OF WHAT IT WAS DOING LEFT OVER. AND IT'S HAD ENORMOUS IMPACT ON AND IT'S HAD ENORMOUS IMPACT ON PLACES AROUND THE WORLD WHERE PLACES AROUND THE WORLD WHERE SMALL AMOUNTS OF U. S.

AID HAVE SMALL AMOUNTS OF U. S. AID HAVE MADE OUTSIZED DIFFERENCE IN MADE OUTSIZED DIFFERENCE IN FIGHTING DISEASE AND POVERTY AND FIGHTING DISEASE AND POVERTY AND SO ON.

NOW, WHAT THE COURT IS SO ON. NOW, WHAT THE COURT IS SAYING IS, IS THAT THEY EXCEEDED SAYING IS, IS THAT THEY EXCEEDED THEIR POWER, WHICH A LOT OF THEIR POWER, WHICH A LOT OF CRITICS HAVE SAID ALL ALONG. CRITICS HAVE SAID ALL ALONG.

NOW, WHAT YOU ARE IN T THE MIDDE NOW, WHAT YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF COURSE, IS A OF, OF COURSE, IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CLASH BETWEEN THE CONSTITUTIONAL CLASH BETWEEN THE EXECUTIVE AND THE JUDICIARY IN EXECUTIVE AND THE JUDICIARY IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT, UNITED WHICH THE PRESIDENT,T, UNITED STATES, SAYS HE DOESN'T LIKE IT STATES, SAYS HE DOESN'T LIKE IT WHEN JUDGES RULE AGAININST HIM. E WHEN JUDGES RULE AGAINST HIM. HE MIGHT EVENEN IMPEACH THEM.

HE SD MIGHT EVEN IMPEACH THEM. HE SAID THAT TODODAY IN THE IMMIGRATION THAT TODAY IN THE IMMIGRATION CASES YOU REFERENCED EARLIER AND CASES YOU REFERENCED EARLIER AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO WONDER AND WATCH AND SEE IS WHAT WONDER AND WATCH AND SEE IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES IN THE ADMINISTRATION DOES IN RESPONSE TO THIS JUDGE'S ORDER. RESPONSE TO THIS JUDGE'S ORDERE.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY CAN APPEAL IT. OBVIOUSLY, THEY CAN APPEAL I IT. OBVIOUSLY, THIS CAN GO ALL THE OBVIOUOUSLY, THIS CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT EVEVENTUALLY, BUT IT'S A BIG EVENTUALLY, BUT IT'S A BIG DEFEATAT AT THE MOMENT FOR ELON DEFEAT AT THE MOMENT FOR ELON MUSK AND HIS DOGE EFFORT.

MUSK AND HIS DOGE EFFORT. >> BUT DOES IT ACTUALLY HELP >> BUT DOES IT ACTUALLY HELP USAID? PETER, JUST THINK ABOUT USAID?

PETER, JUST THINK ABOUT IT. EVEN SINCE THEHEN, SECRETARY IT. EVEN SINCE THEN, SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO HAS SAID OF STATE MARCO RUBIO HAS SAID 80% OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THAT 80% OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH USAID, WE WERE INVOLVED WITH USAID, WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT DON'T NEED TO DO IT. IT'S NOT LIKE TOMORROW ALL THOSE FORMER LIKE TOMORROW ALL THOSE FORMER EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO HEAD BACK EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO HEAD BACK TO THE OFFICE AND HOP BACK INTO TO THE OFFICE AND HOP BACK INTO THEIR CUBICLES LIKE THE DAMAGE THEIR CUBICLES LIKE THE DADAMAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

>> A LOT OF DAMAGE HAS BEEN >> A LOT OF DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT EASY DONE. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT EASY TO SIMPLY TURN THE LIGHTS BACK TO SIMPLY TURN THE LIGHTS BACK ON AFTER THEY'VE DONE WHAT ON AFTER THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY'VE DONE, BUT THTHE JUDGE IS THEY'VE DONE, BUT THE JUDGE IS BASICACALLY SAYING THAT THEY NED BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY NEED TOTO TAKE EFFORTS TO DO THAT.

TE TO TAKE EFFORTS TO DO THAT. THE JUDGE IS SAYING G YOU CANNOT JUDGE IS SAYING G YOU CANNOT SIMPLY GET AWAY WITH WHAT YOU'VE SIMPLY GET AWAY WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE IF IN FACT IT VIOLATES THE DONE IF IN FACT IT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTUTION. NOW, THIS IS NOA CONSTITUTION.

NOW, THIS IS NOTOA FINAL ORDER. THIS IS A TEMPORARY FINAL ORDER. THIS IS A TEMPORARY ORDER.

AT THIS POINT WHILE THE ORDER. AT THIS POINT WHILE THE ISSUE IS LITIGATED. BUT IT IS AN ISSUE IS LITIGATED.

BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT JUDGMENT BY THIS, THIS IMPORTANT JUDGMENT BY THIS, THIS PARTICULAR JUDGE, THAT THERE IS PARTICULAR JUDGE, THAT THERE IS A LIKELILIHOOD THAT THE TRUMP A LIKELIHOOD THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS VIOLATED THE ADMINISTRATION HAS VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION. SO, YEAH, CONSTITUTION. SO, YEAH, OBVIOUOUSLY THE PRACTICAL IMPACT OBVIOUSLY THE PRACTITICAL IMPACT IS UNCLEAR.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING IS UNCLEAR. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT C CAN BE TURNED AROUND ON A THAT CAN BE TURNED AROUND ON A DIME, BUT IT IS,S, YOU KNOW, A DIME, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY IMPORTANT MOMENT. WE'LL PRETTY IMPORTANT MOMENT.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE TRUMP SEE WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOES IN RESPONSE ADMINISTRATION DOES IN RESPONSE TO IT. THIS IS GOING TO BEBE ONE TO IT. THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE TESTS AS TO WHETHER OF THOSE TESTS AS TO WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY ARE WILLING TO THEY ACTUALLY ARE WILLLLING TO LIVE WITH ORDERS OF COURTS THAT LIVE W WITH ORDERS OF COURTS THT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH.

THEY DON'T AGREE WITH. H. >> ALL RIGHT, REED, LET'S TALK >> ALL RIGHT, REED, LET'S TALK POPOLLING, BECAUSE NBC NEWS HAS POLLING, BECAUSE NBC N NEWS HAS SOME POLLING OUT THAT SAYS MORE SOME POLLING OUT THAT SAYS MORE AMERICANS ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA AMERICANS ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF DOGE.

HOWEVER, EVEN MORE OF DOGE. HOWEVER, EVEN MORE AMERICANS THAN THAT DON'T LIKE AMERICANS THAN THAT DON'T LIKE HOW DOGE IS EXECUTING. I THINK I HOW DOGE IS EXECUTING.

I THINK I COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE POLLED. SO WHAT DO WE DO PEOPLE POLLED. SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT?

WITH THAT? >> BECAUSE THE. >> BECAUSE THE.

>> MOST OF AMERICACANS ARE GOIN, >> MOST OF AMERICANS ARE GOING, YEAH, , LET'S MAKE THE GOVERNMET YEAH, LET'S MAKE THE GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT. RIGHT. BUT W WHT MORE EFFICIENT.

RIGHT. BUT WHAHT THEY'RE DOING NO BUENO. THEY'RE DOING NO BUENO.

>> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> BUTUT I THINK.

>> BUT I THINKNK. >> PETER ASKED A QUESTION, A. >> PETER ASKED A QUEUESTION, A.

>> GOOD QUESTION. >> GOOD QUESTION. >>>> THE PRACTICALITY OF THIS.

>>>> THE PRACTICALITY OF THIS. >> LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO DO . WHAT.

>> THEY'RE GOING. >> THEY'RE GOING. >> TO DO.

>> TO DO. >> THEY DON'T CARE. >> THEY DON'T T CARE.

>> ABOUT THE POLLING. >> THEY DON'T CARE WHAT A JUDGE. >> SAYS TO THEM.

TO YOUR. >> SAYS TO THEM. TO YOUR.

>> POINT. >>>> POINT. >> ARE THEY GOING TO TURN THESE >> ARE THEY GOING TO TURN THESE PEOPLE'S IDS BACK ON?

PEOPLE'S IDS BACK ON? >> ARE THEY Y GOING TO TURN THER >> ARE THEY GOING TO TURN THEIR EMAIL. EMAIL.

>> ADDRESSES BACK ON? >> ADDRESSES BACK ON? >> THEY'RE N NOT GOING TO DO.

>> THEY'Y'RE NOT GOING TO DO. >> ANY OF THOSE THINGS. S >> I MEAN, THE USAID SIGNAGE IS IN A TRASH HEAP FOR WEEKS AGAGO, IN A TRASH HEAP FOR WEEKS AGO, RIGHT?

YEAH. THEY THINK THEY'RE. RIGHT?

YEAH. THEY THINK THEY'RE. REBUILDING IT TONIGHT.

REBUILDING IT TOTONIGHT. >> THAT'S MY POINT. >> THEY SENT.

>> IT. >> IT. >> TO THE DUMPSTER.

>> SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS THAT. SO LONG AS THEY HAHAVE THAT FIRT SO LONG AS THEY HAVE THAT FIRST PIECE OF DATA. PIECE OFOF DATA.

>> PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF. >> PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF. >> D DOGE, THEY DON'T.

>> DOGE, THEY DON'T. >> CARE ABABOUT THE. >> SECOND PART.

>> BECAUSE HERE'S. >> BECAUSE H HERE'S. >> THE OTHER PART.

>> THE OTHER PART. >> MOST PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY. >> THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT.

>> THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT. >> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. >> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

>> OR THERE. >> OR THERE. >> YOU AND I PREVIOUSLY.

>> YOU AND I PREVIOUSLY. >> DISCUSSED HOW. >> DISCUSSED HOW.

>> IMPMPORTANT FEDERAL EMPLOYEE. >> IMPORTANT FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. >> ARE, BUBUT.

>> IT'S ONLY IMPORTANT. >> W WHEN PEOPLE START FEELING . >> WHEN PEOPLE START FEELING IT.

>> IF WE START T TO SEE. >> IF WE START TO SEE. >> THINGS LIKE SOCIAL.

>> THINGS LIKE SOCIAL. >> SECURITY BE AFFECTED AND OTHER THINGS THAT. >> ARE STARTING TO.

>> ARE STARTING TO. >> DIRECT. >> YOU KNOW.

>> AFFFFECT AMERICANS IN THEIR PLACE. >> OF BIBIRTH. >> IN.

N. >> THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS. >> THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS.

>> AT THEIR HOMES OR W WHATEVER. >> AT THEIR R HOMES OR WHATEVER. >> THE CASE MIGHT BE.

>> THE CASE MIGHT BE. >>>> BUT UNTIL. >> THEN.

>> I THINK. >> I I THINK. >> THAT THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE >> THAT THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE LIKE ONE MORE POLL.

WHAT DO WE LIKE ONE MORE POLL. WHAT DO WE CARE? >> LEANNE CALDWELL IS JOINING US NOW, CHIEF WASASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR PUCK NEWS.

LEANNE, LET'S TALKLK ABOUT CHIEF LEANNE, LET'S TALK ABOUT CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, HIS REBUKE OF JUSTICE ROBERTS, HIS REBUKUKE OF DONALD TRUMP. HOW RARE IS IT TO DONALD TRUMP. HOW RARE IS IT T O HEAR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

HEAR SOMETHING LIKE E THAT? >> YEAH, IT'S. >> ABSOLUTELY RARE.

CHIEF JUSTICICE ROBERTS HAS. JUSTICE ROBERTS HAS. >> ISSUED WARNINGS.

>>>> ISSUED WARNINGS. >> BEFORE. >> BEFORE.

>> NOT SO DIDIRECTLY. >> NOT SO DIRECTLY. >> BUT JUST.

>> BUT J JUST. >> SAYING THAT THE. >> SAYING THAT T THE.

>> INDEPENDENCE OF THE COURTS >> INDNDEPENDENCE OF THE COURTS SHOULD. BE UPHELD AND. SHOULD BE SHOULD.

BE UPHELD AND. SHOULD BE AT, YOU KNOW, NOT ADMIRED, BUT, AT, YOU KNOW, NOT ADMIRED, BUT, YEAH, SHOULD BE UPHELD. FORGOT YEAH, SHOULD BE UPHELD.

FORGOT MY WORD THERE. MY WORD THERE. >> BUT BUT.

>> BUT BUT. >> THIS WAS A MOMENTNT THAT. >> THIS WAS A MOMENT THAT.

>> THE TRUMP. >> THE TRUMP. >> ADMINISTRATION AND >> ADMINISTRATION AND REPUBLICANS AND MAGA WORLD DID REPUBLICANS AND MAGA WORLD DID NOT LIKE THE.

FACT THAT. CHIEF NOT LIKE THE. FACT THAT.

CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS INSERTED JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THIS CONVERSATION. HIMSELF INTO THIS CONVERSATION. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE PILING YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE PILING ON, INCLUDING ELON MUSK, SAYING, ON, INCLUDING ELON MUSK, SAYING, YOU KNOW, SENDING THREATENING YOU KNOW, SENDING THREATENING LIKE MESSAGES.

TO JOHN ROBERTS. LIKE MESSAGES. TO JOHN ROBERTS.

AND THESE THIS IS WHERE THE AND THESE THIS IS WHERE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THINKS THAT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THINKS THAT SO MANY OF THESE CASES ARE GOING SO MANY OF THESE CASES ARE GOING TO END UP. AND YOU HAVE STEPHEN TO END UP. AND YOU HAVE STEPHEN MILLER AND OTHER TRUMP MILLER AND OTHER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICICIALS WHO.

ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS WHO. ARE CONFIDENT, WHO WERE ARE CONFIDENT, WHO WERE CONFIDENT THAT THE SUPREME COURT CONFIDENT THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING. TO UPHOLD THE TRUMP IS GOING.

TO UPHOLD THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND A LOT OF ADMINISTRATION. AND A LOT OF THESE CASES S ONCE IT GETS THER.

THESE CASES ONCE IT GETS THERE. >> AND SO PART. >> AND SO PART.

. >> OF THE PLAYBOOK IS NOT ONLY >> OF THE PLAYBOOK IS NOT ONLY TO INTIMIDATE THESE JUSTICES, TO INTIMIDATE THESE JUSTICES, BUT REALLY MAKE THEIR CASE. BUT REALLY MAKE THEIR CASE.

>> IN THE COURT. >> IN THE COURT. >> OF PUBLBLIC OPINION AND GET E >> OF PUBLIC OPINION AND GET THE RALLYING REPUBLICANS BEHIND THEM RALLYING REPUBLICANS BEHIND THEM IN ORDER TO PUT PRESSURE ON IN ORDER TO PUT PRESSURE ON THESE JUSTICES AND THESE JUDGES THESE JUSTICES AND THESE JUDGES ALONG THE WAY, SO THAT THEY ALONG THE WAY, SO THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN WIN THESE THINK THAT THEY CAN WIN THESE CASES.

>> WHAT DO. >>>> YOU THINK? >> YOU T THINK?

>> YES. IT'S RARE TO SEE CHIEF >> YES. IT'S RARARE TO SEE CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS DO THIS, BUT JUSTICE ROBERTS DO THIS, BUT TOMORROW PEOPLE WILL FORGET HIS TOMORROW PEOPLE WILL FORGET HIS WHAT HE SAID.

BUT IS HE SENDING WHAT HE SAID. BUT IS HE SENDING A MESSAGE TO TRUMP LIKE, DON'T A MESSAGE TO TRUMP LIKE, DON'T GO THERE. WE'RE NOT PUSHOVERS.

GO THERE. WE'RE NOT PUSHOVERS. >> MAYBE.

>> MAYAYBE. >> BUT AGAIN, TO WHAT END? >> BUT AGAIN, TO WHAT END?

WHAT'S THE POINT? REMEMBER I WHAT'S THE POINT? REMEMBER I MEAN, I'M.

MEAN, I'M. >> N NO LEGAL JURIST. BUT DIDN'T >> NO LEGAL JURIST.

BUT DIDN'T LAST SUMMER. THEY SAY WHATEVER LAST SUMMER. THEY SAY WHATEVER IT IS HE DID WAS AN N OFFICIAL IT IS HE DID WAS AN OFFICIAL ACT.

ACT. >> AND THEREFORE HE COULDN'T. >> AND THEREFORE HE COULDN'T.

>> BE PROSECUTED. FOR IT. .

WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST. >> SAY, WELL, EVERYTHING I DO OS >> SAY, WELL, EVERYTHING I DO IS AN OFFICIAL ACT. AN OFFICIAL ACT.

>> BECAUSE Y YOU GUYS TOLD ME. >>>> BECAUSE YOU GUYS TOLD ME. >> AND SO THIS.

>> A AND SO THIS. >> IS THE OTHER PART WE FORGET >> IS THE OTHER PART WE FORGETET THE COURT DOESN'T HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT. >> MECHANISM, RIGHT?

THAT >> MECHANISM, RIGHT? THAT BELONGS. BELONGS.

>> T TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT . >> THE MILITARY. >> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ENFOFORE >> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE ANYTHING.

ANYTYTHING. >> AND SO DO I THINK IT'S >> AND SO DO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. D DID HE TRY AND SENA MESSAGE?

>> YES. >> YES. >> THE QUESTION I HAD AND I >> T THE QUESTION I HAD AND I TALKED TO A VERY SMART LEGAL TALKED TO A VERY SMART LEGAL PERSON.

>> EARLIER TONIGHT. >> IS DID HEHE WAIT. >> TOO LONG?

>> SHOULD HE NOT HAVE SAID T THS >> SHOULD HE NOT HAVE SAID THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE. ADMINISTSTRATION WHEN HE SAID, WE'VE SEEN.

>> WHAT YOU. >> WHAT YOU. >> TRIED TO DO LAST TIMEME, WE'E >> TRIED TO DO LAST TIME, WE'R'E NOT GOING.

NOT GOING. >> TO DODO. >> TO DO.

>> IT AGAIN. K >> EVEN IF HE SAID IT AT WEEK ONE, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE ONE, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? >> YOU'RE RIGHT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE E POINT. IT DOESN'T MATTE. WHOLE POINT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE HAVE TO GET OUTUT OF THIS ID. WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF F THIS ID.

SOMEBODY SAID WE'RE AT AN INFLECTION POINT, STEPHANIE. WE HAVE INFLECTED WE'RE WELL PAST HAVE INFLECTED WE'RE WELL PAST INFLECTION. WE ARE NOW INTNTO TE INFLECTION.

WE ARE NOW INTO THE NEW NORMAL. NEW NORMAL. >> ALL RIGIGHT.

WELL, LAST NIGHI >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, LAST NIGHT I ASASKED STUART STEVENS ON A ON A ASKED STUART STEVENS ON A ON A LEVEL ON A 1 TO 10 PANIC, LEVEL ON A 1 TO 10 PANIC, CONCERN, FEAR OF WHAT'S CONCERN, FEAR OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS HAPPENING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. I'M NOT GOING TO ADMINISTRATION.

I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU H HIS NUMBER. WHAT'S TELL YOU HIS NUMBER. WHAT'S YOURS?

YOURS? >> I'D SAY A SEVEN. >> I'D SAY A SEVEN.

>> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> HIS IS.

>> HIS I IS. >> AN 11. PETER.

WHAT IS YOUR >> AN 11. PETER. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON WHAT CHIEF JUSUSTICE TAKE ON WHAT CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS DID TODAY?

ROBERTS DID TODAY? >> WELL, LOOK, REED IS RIGHT. I >> WELL, LOOK, REED IS RIGHT.

I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM FOR THE THINK THAT THE PROBLEM FOR THE COURTS IS HOW DO THEY ENFORCE AN COURTS IS HOW DO THEY ENFORCE AN ORDER IF THEY HAVE A PRESIDENT ORDER IF THEY HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS WILLING TO DEFY THEM? WHO IS WILLING TO DEFY THEM? WE'VE NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT IN WE'VE NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT IN MODERN TIMES.

WE'VE HAD SOME WHO MODERN TIMES. WE'VE HAD SOME WHO FLIRTED WITH THIS IN THE DISTANT FLIRTED WITH THIS IN THE DISTANT PAST. BUT IN THE MODERN TIMES, PAST.

BUT IN THE MODERN TIMES, PRESIDENTS HAVE RECOGNIZED EVEN PRESIDENTS HAVE RECOGNIZED EVEN WHEN THEY DIDN'T LIKE COURT WHEN THEY DIDN'T LIKE COURT RULINGS, THEY HAD D TO GO ALONG RULINGS, THEY HAD TO GO ALONG WITH IT. IN MY BOOK ON ON BUSH WITH IT. IN MY BOOK ON ON BUSH 43, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS AN 43, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS AN EFFORT W WHEN HE LOST A CASE IN EFFORT WHEN HE LOST A CASE IN THE SUPREME COURT ON GUANTANAMO THE SUPREME COURT ON GUANTANAMO TO GET HIM TO TRY TO OVERRULULE TO GET HIM TO TRY TO OVERRULE THE SUPREME COURT.

AND PRESIDENT THE SUPREME COURT. AND PRESIDENT BUSH SAID, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO BUSH SAID, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AND EVEN IN THAT CASE, DO THAT.

AND EVEN IN THAT CASE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING LEGISLATION FROM CONGRESS, NOT LEGISLATION FROM CONGRESS, NOT SIMPLY DEFYING IT ON HIS OWN, SIMPLY DEFYING IT ON HIS OWN, CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO IMPEPEAH CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO IMPEACH JUSTICES FOR A RULING HE DIDN'NT JUSTICES FOR A RULING HE DIDN'T LIKE. BUT WHAT ROBERTS DID TODAY LIKE. BUT WHAT ROBERTS DID TODAY WAS IMPORTANT IN ONE SENSE.

WHAT WAS IMPORTANT IN ONE SENSE. WHAT HE DID WAS HE SAID, LOOK, IT'S HE DID WAS HE SAID, LOOK, IT'S NOT JUST JEB BOASBERG, THE CHIEF NOT JUST JEB BOASBERG, THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE U. S.

DISTRICT COURT JUDGE OF THE U. S. DISTRICT COURT HERE.

THIS IS THE JUDICIARY AS A HERE. THIS IS THE JUDICIARY AS A WHOLE. AND IN FACT, HE TOOK SOME WHOLE.

AND IN FACT, HE TOOK SOME OF THE ARROWS AWAY FROM JEB BUBH OF THE ARROWS AWAY FROM JEB BUSH TO BOASBERG. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL, TO BOASBERG. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, TARGETED AT THIS ONE YOU KNOW, TARGETED AT THISIS ONE SO-CALLED ROGUE JUDGE.

WHAT SO-CALLED ROGUE JUDGE. WHAT ROBERTRTS IS SAYING IS, LOOK, TS ROBERTS IS SAYING IS, LOOK, THIS ISIS ABOUT THE JUDICIARY IN IS ABOUT THE JUDUDICIARY IN GENERAL. YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS GENERAL.

YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS JUDGE'S RULING, BUT YOU HAVE A JUDGE'S RULING, BUT YOU HAVE A PROCESS TO APPPPEAL IT IF THAT'S PROCESS TO APPEAL IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT, AS LONG AS HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT, AS LONG AS IT'S THE RULING OF THE COURT.

IT'S THE RULING OF THE COURT. AND YES, OBVIOUSLY, THE ISSUE OF AND YES, OBVIOUSLY, THE ISSUE OF HOW HE ENFORCES IT IS A BIG HOW HE ENFORCES IT IS A BIG QUESTION. IF YOU END UP HAVING A QUESTION.

IF YOU END UP HAVING A ROGUE PRESIDENT NOT WILLING TO ROGUE PRESIDENT NOT WILLLLING TO GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT HE BASICALLY INSTITUTIONALIZED THIS FIGHT. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A FIGHT. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A SINGLE JUDGE, WHICH I THINK THE SINGLE JUDGE, WHICH I THINK THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE PREFERRED PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE PREFERRED IT TO BEBE.

AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT TO BE. AND YOU HAVEN'N'T SEEN THE PRESIDENT RESPOND TO IT YET. THE PRESIDENT RESPOND TO IT YET.

>> A ALL RIGHT, PETER, TAKE US >> ALL RIGHT, PETER, TAKE US BACK TO THTHE TEN YEARS YOU SPET BACK TO THE TEN YEARS YOU SPENT LIVING IN MOSCOW. WHAT WAS YOUR LIVING IN MOSCOW. WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON THE CALL TODAY BETWEEN TAKE ON THE CALL TODAY BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN?

90 MINUTES. PUTIN? 90 MINUTES.

>> YEAH. LOOK, OBVIOUSLY THEY >> YEAH. LOOK, OBVIOUSLY THEY DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY WANTED, DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY WANANTED, RIGHT?

THE PRESIDENT DID NOT GET. >> WHAHAT THEY. >> WHAT THEY.

>>>> BEING A THREE DAY CEASEFIR. >> BEING A THREE DAY CEASEFIRE. PRESIDENT TRUMP SORRY, DID NOT GET WHAT HE WANTED.

PRESIDENT PUTIN PROBABLY DID. PRESIDENENT PUTIN PROBABLY DID. PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED A 30 DAY ACROSS THE TRUMP WANTED A 30 DAY ACROSS THE BOARD CEASEFIRE.

PUTIN REFUSED BOARD CEASEFIRE. PUTIN REFUSED TO GIVE IT TO HIM. NOW, HE DID TO GIVE IT TO HIM.

NOW, HE DID SAY HE WOULDN'T ATTACK UTILITIES SAY HE WOULDN'T ATTACK UTILITIES AND ELECTRIC POWER PLANTS IF AND ELECTRIC POWER PLANTS IF UKRAINE DOESN'T ATTACK THEM IN UKRAINE DOESN'T ATTACK THEM IN RUSSIA. AND ZELENSKYY HAS AGREED RUSSIA. AND ZELENSKYY HAS AGREED TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S NOT TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S NOT NOTHING. THAT'S NOT THATAT'S NOTHING.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR BOTH PEOPLE, BUT IMPORTANT FOR BOTH PEOPLE, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT TRUMP SET OUT TO IT'S NOT WHAT TRUMP SET OUT TO DO. AND I THINK WHAT TRUMP HAS DO. AND I THINK WHAT TRUMP HAS LEARNED TODAY, OR CERTRTAINLY HS LEARNED TODAY, OR CERTAINLY HAS BEEN MADE EVEVIDENT TODAY, WHETR BEEN MADE EVIDENT T TODAY, WHETR HE'S LEARNED IT OR NOT, IS THAT HE'S LEARNED IT OR NOTOT, IS THT PUTIN ISN'T GOING TO SIMPLY GO ALONG BECAUSE TRUMP WANTS HIM TO DO SOMETHING.

PUTIN LAID OUT HIS DO SOMETHING. PUTIN LAID OUT HIS EXPANSIVE TERMS FOR ANY KIND OF EXPANSIVE TERMS FOR ANY KIND OF NEGOTIATION, WELL BEYOND NEGOTIATION, WELL BEYOND ANYTHING THAT ZELENSKYY HAS ANYTHING THAT ZELENSKYY HAS AGREED TO DO, AND WELL BEYOND AGREED TO DO, AND WELL BEYOND WHAT PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS AND WHAT PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS AND CONGRESSES WOULD HAVE AGREED TO CONGRESSES WOULD HAVE AGREREED O DO, HE SAID, BASICALLY, THAT YOU DO, HE SAID, BASICALLY, THTHAT U HAVE TO NOT ONLY AGREE TO STOP HAVE TO NOT ONLY AGREE TO STOP FIGHTING FOR 30 DAYS, YOU HAVE FIGHTING FOR 30 DAYS, YOU HAVE TO AGREE THAT THERE WILL BE NO TO AGREE THAT THERE WILL BE NO FOREIGN AID WHATSOEVER FOR FOREIGN AID WHATSOEVER FOR UKRAINE. UKRAINE IS NOT GOING TO UKRAINE.

UKRAINE IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, OF WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT COURSE, BECAUSE THAT MEANSNS THT THEY ARE VULNERABLE TO RUSSIA THEY ARE VULNERABLE TO RUSSIA SIMPLY BY, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY BY, YOU KNOW, DISREGARDING THIS CEASE FIRE AND DISREGARDING THIS CEASE FIRE AND ATTACKING AGAIN. AND THEY ATTACKING AGAIN. AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE FOREIGN HELP WOULDN'T HAVE THE FOREIGN HELP THAT THEY NENEED.

THAT THEY NEED. >> READ. >> READ.

>> YOU WORK FOR ALL SORTS OF >> YOU WORK FOR ALL SORTS OF REPUBLICANS. ONE SPECIFIFICALLY REPUBLICANS. ONE SPECIFICALLY COMES TO MIND.

S SENATOR JOHN COMES TO MIND. SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN. WHAT WOULD JOHN MCCAIN MCCAIN.

WHAT WOULD JOHN MCCAIN BE THINKING? WHAT WOULD HE BE BE THINKING? WHAT WOULD HE BE SAYING TONIGHT AS HE WATCHES A S SAYING TONIGHT AS HE WATCHES AS HE WOULD WATCH DONALD TRUMP'S HE WOULD WATCH DONALD TRUMP'S APPROACH TO RUSSIA?

APPROACH TO RUSSIA? >> I THINK WE SHOULD REMEMBER >> I THINK WE SHOULD REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE LOOKED INTO WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE LOOKED INTO VLADIMIR. HE SAID HE SAW THREE VLADIMIR.

HE SAID HE SAW THREE LETTERS K, G, AND B. THIS IS A LETTERS K, G, AND B. THIS IS A MAN WHO SPOKE.

MAN WHO SPOKE. >> TO THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE IN >> TO THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE IN 2013. 202013.

>> AT THE MAIDAN, IN THEIR IN. >> AT THE MAIDAN, IN THEIR IN. THEIR FREEDOM, YOUOU KNOW, AS TY THEIR FREEDOM, YOU KNOW, AS THEY AS.

AS. >> THEY ROSE TO FREEDOM. >> THEY ROSE TO FREEDOM.

>> AS THEY ROSE TO FREE >> AS THEY ROSE TOTO FREE THEMSELVES FROM. PUTIN BACK THEMSELVESES FROM. PUTIN BACK PUPPETS.

I THINK HE. IS PROBABLY PUPPETS. I THINK HE.

IS PROBABAY LOOKING DOWN ON US AND HE IS A LOOKING DOWN ON US AND HE IS A VERY UNHAPPY PERSON. HE VERY UNHAPPY PERSON. HE RIGHTFULLY SHOULULD BE.

REMEMBE, RIGHTFULLY SHOULD BE. REMEMBER, THIS I IS A GUY WHO WAS ON STANY THIS IS A GUY WHO WAS ON STANDBY DUDURING THE CUBAN MISSILE CRIS, DURING THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, SENATOR MCCAIN RIGHT?

I MEAN, SENATOR MCCAIN HAD. HAD. >> A LONG.

>> A LONG. >> HISTOTORY WITH THIS PART OF E >> HISTORY WITH THISIS PART OF E WORLD AND VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD WORLD AND VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD THATAT THE RUSSIANS ARE BAD GUY, THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE BABAD GUY, THEY'RE NOT GOOD GUYS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOOD GUYS, A AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN OUR FRIENDS. THEY'VE NEVER BEEN OUR FRIENDS.

>> LEANNE. >> L LEANNE. >> WHAT ARE PEOPLE ON THE HILL S SAYING SPECIFICALLY REPUBLICANS WHO FOR DECADES AND DECADES HAD WHO FOR DECADES AND DECADES HAD A VERY CLEAR OPINION OF WHO A VERY CLEAR OPINION OF WHO RUSSIA IS, THE OPINION THAT THE RUSSIA IS, THE OPINION THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO, OUR ADVERSARY.

DO, OUR ADVERSARY. >> WELL. >> WELL.

>> WHAT HAS BEENEN HAPPENING ON >> WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING ON CAPITOL L HILL OVER. >> THE. >> PAST COUPLE OF.

>> PAST COUPLE OF. >> YEARS, INFUSED. >> YEARS, INFUSED.

>> BY TUCKER. >> BY TUCKER. >> CARLSON, DONALD TRUMP AND.

>> CARLSON, DONALD TRUMP AND. >> THOSE SORTS. >> THOSE SORTS.

>> OF ALLIES. >> OF ALLIES. >> IS THAT.

>> IS THAT. >> PUBLILIC OPINION HAS BEEN >> PUBLIC OPINION HAS BEEN SHIFTING AWAY FROM UKRAINE, OR SHIFTING AWAY FROM UKRAINE, OR REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SHIFTING REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SHIFTING AWAY FROM UKRAININE AND BECOMINA AWAY FROM UKRAINE AND BECOMING A BIT MORE SYMPATHETIC TOWARD BIT MORE SYMPATHETIC TOWARD PUTIN. NOW, THAT IS A VERY PUTIN.

NOW, THAT IS A VERY MINORITY FACTION OF THE PARTY. MINORITY FACTION OF THE PARTY. BUT IN EFFECT.

THEIR ACTIONS BY BUT IN EFFECT. THEIR ACTIONS BY BY CRITICIZING ZELENSKYY, BY BY CRITICIZING ZELENSKYY, BY STANDING WITH TRUMP AND HIS STANDING WITH TRUMP AND HIS CRITICISMS OF ZELENSKYY, OF CRITICISMS OF ZELENSKYY, OF THREATENING NEVER TO GIVE THREATENING NEVER TO GIVE ZELENSKY. ZELENSKY.

>> ANY MORE. >> ANY MORE. >> AID, FINANCIAL, MILITARY, >> AID, FINANCIAL, MILITARY, HUMANITARIAN AID IS IN EFFECT, HUMANITARIAN AID IS IN EFFECT, INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING VLADIMIR INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING VLADIMIR PUTIN.

NOW, REPUBLICANS WILL GET PUTIN. NOW, REPUBLICANS WILL GET QUITE UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN DONALD QUITE UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UKRAINE STARTED THE WAR. IT'S UKRAINE STARTED THE WAR. IT'S HARD TO FIND REPUBLICANS WHO HARD TO FIND REPUBLICANS WHO WILL COME OUT AND EXPLICITLY WILL COME OUT AND EXPLICITLY SUPPORT THAT.

SUPPORT THAT. >> BUT THE. >> BUT THE.

>> FOREIGN POLICY OF THE UNITED >> FOREIGN POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS STATES IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE BACKING AND SUPPORTING. AND ARE BACKING AND SUPPORTING.