he was a pentagon Insider a veteran an investigator and today he's quite possibly the most important voice in the modern UFO movement I'm doing nothing more than finishing the job I was given Lou alzando risking his career his family and possibly his life to tell the story of what the American government really knows about alien craft and is responsive and reative alien life there's zero information to suggest what they are doing is for benevolent reasons and the people in the Pentagon trying to hide the truth from you there are forces powerful forces that don't want
this story told and I've go to Great length to keep it a secret if aliens exist where do they come from you know people always say well these things are clearly from outer space I say let's hold off on that what have they done to people some of these people were very seriously injured and what do they want hopefully they're not like us tonight you'll hear the jawdropping revelations I'm not saying it doesn't sound crazy what I'm saying it's to real Lou elisondo Confessions of a UFO Hunter unidentified anomalous phenomenon making more information public when
it comes to unidentified anomalous phenomenon this object and mysterious ring that appeared over the Skies of Oklahoma earlier this month unless you've been asleep for the past seven years you've probably noticed our species is living through a UFO Renaissance headlines television specials incident reports and even Congressional hearings into what are now called uaps unidentified anomalous phenomena we have things flying over military installations and no one knows what it is there are many people responsible for this Resurgence of interest but perhaps no one has played a bigger role than a musclebound man with tattoos a soul
patch and one hell of a story to tell he's Lou alzando former Pentagon UFO investigator and he's telling that story here on news nation and in a new book its tantalizing title imminent inside the pentagon's hunt for UFOs your book title is imminent something is about to happen what's about to happen well if we're lucky disclosure the realization that the US government is aware that the topic of uaps is not only valid but they're real the book lays out in Vivid detail allegations that the United States military has been running a UAP retrieval and reverse
engineering program for years and has even recovered alien bodies aliens non-human intelligences are real and they have been engaging with Humanity Ross we're not alone we are not alone in this universe and it is a simple fact and the US government has been aware of that fact now for decades the American public the entire planet is being lied to by the American government about what's really going on I think if the American public knew just how deep this lie went that we would have an very significant constitutional crisis on our why should you believe any
of this and who is this elzando character anyway well it depends on whom you ask very hardworking very diligent intelligent and patriotic he is just a normal guy who is trying to do something extraordinary what defines Lou alzando loyalty transparency honesty officially the Pentagon disputes what alzando says he's done and seen but everyone agrees he's an army veteran who has served in hotspots around the world then oversaw counter espan and counterterrorism investigations for the Department of Defense in short he's an American Badass you've been in combat situations haven't you you've been in life-threatening situations I've
been in some very unfortunate situations yeah I've got a lot of regrets and I want to make sure that whatever I've done in my life uh serving the people in that building I don't want to forget even the bad things to make sense of the man and his claims you need to go back to when it all started that was 2009 when alzando was working as an intelligence operations specialist for the Department of Defense he'd risen to the coveted gs15 pay scale the highest level federal employees can attain remember I was I was a senior
gs-15 at the time which is yeah pretty pretty senior what's more he'd set up a comfortable life in Kent Island Maryland with his wife Jen and their two daughters we had a really nice place to live this was a great place to raise our kids and it was just a really laid-back area to grow up to raise a family and to live here but El says it all changed after he met this man a renowned missile systems expert named Jim latsky he was running a program called AAP he was running a program called ASAP correct
which I have to read the acronym it's the um Advanced Aerospace weapons system application program but you learned soon that what orap was investigating was not just Advanced Weaponry yeah I remember distinctly um Jim pulling me into his office he said I mean just bluntly he said what do you think about UFOs and so I I responded truthfully I said I don't I wasn't interested particularly as a kid into science fiction I wasn't a big Star Trek fan or or Star Wars fan so I consider myself kind of a gumshoe investigator old school just just
the fax ma kind of guy and he said that's fair but he said make sure that you don't let your analytic bias get the best of you you have to remain open-minded he basically told you UFOs unidentified anomalous phenomena uaps are real yeah so so Jim told me Point Blank they were studying and collecting information on UFOs alzando claims he was invited to join a program Under the orap Umbrella called ATP the advanced Aerospace threat identification program and soon that invitation became an initiation oh it was a bit of like Allison Wonderland going down the
rabbit hole and it it kept getting deeper and deeper Alondo says his first real Epiphany came during a meeting with a Brazilian Air Force General who'd come to brief them on a series of incidents in a city called Karas tell me what was happening these people the town's people were being plagued by UAP UFOs in some cases they were being pursued and reports of these laser beam type if you will emissions were coming down and harming people to the point where the Brazilian government actually deployed doctors and the military to investigate and then when they
arrived they substantiated they encountered these UFOs these UAP as well but I I I know the report of Karis officially according to the Brazilian government Karis didn't find any evidence at all yeah that was not the case and it was very clear that that it was a very legitimate investigation and what they found was that these things were coming in and out of the area and and harming people as Lou went further down the rabbit hole he says he learned that many of the classic UFO cases were in fact much more than Legends including the
famous incident in Roswell New Mexico Roswell 1947 what happened there was a UAP that crashed in fact there were two UAP that crashed and uh one flew away while the other one did not and it was recovered by the US government you must appreciate people watching this hearing you talking about aliens recovered craft recovered bodies it sounds crazy well as I've said before I'm not saying it doesn't sound crazy what I'm saying it's real coming up are alien abductions real so people have been taken away from their homes and had things pled in them is
there a connection between aliens and psychic powers this is real morphology occurring in the human brain and what happened when Lou started bringing his work home with him I had no idea what the hell I was getting myself into stay with us former Pentagon UFO investigator Lou alzando writes in his new book imminent that non human intelligence has been engaging with humans for decades so what do they want there are many commentators who say they're friendly they're no threat at all to humanity can we assume that well I I I think in order to understand
if something is a threat from a national security perspective it's a very simple calculus it's capabilities versus intent we see some of the capabilities and by the way we can't replicate them we have no idea the intent so to to presume or to assume that these things are friendly or they're hostile there's not enough data alzando says the pentagon's UFO investigators were keenly interested in the impact uaps were having on individuals especially military personnel there's enough reports that substantiate that not all these interactions are necessarily benign or peaceful some people leave terrified some people leave
injured there are US service people I there is is people that are on full 100% disability right now from the US government because of an interaction with UAP and it's in writing by the way from the US government because of their involvement in an incident indeed the Veterans Administration has granted full medical disability benefits to this man Amon John barrows for injuries to his heart and eyes he claims he suffered during the famous 1980 UAP incident in renam Forest England and elzando says that's just the tip of the iceberg did you in any of your
UAP investigations come across evidence of alleged abductions of humans by nonhuman beings we we came across information that suggested that people were having things put inside their body that they did not give approval to so people have been taken away from their homes in the middle of the night and had things planted in them something that was put inside their body something invasive right something that was not put there by their permission to do something you've seen one of those implants haven't you I have been privy to some very interesting things this photo he says
shows one of those interesting things it's allegedly a biological sample removed from a US service member and submitted for analysis this is possibly an alien implant well if you look there's actually a piece of the chip sticking out and what appears to be these fibers that were moving on their own um and then it looks like this this chip or whatever this is this foreign object is encapsulated by some sort of biological material could that not be something biological microbiological or parasitic well it certainly the outside looks like it's some sort of masking device in
essence you have a for an object which it was a it's a metallic object in there and it seems to be encapsulated by some sort of biological material how do you know it's not just a bit of metal that somebody's knocked into on a building site or well in this particular case this was moving on its own it was actually had its own metabolic activity and it terrified one of the doctors who was looking at this under a microscope um said they didn't want to they didn't want to see this again but are uaps conducting
people at random or are they drawn to certain individuals alzando says research has revealed an intriguing pattern among UAP experiences in a fascinating part of the brain this is a part of the brain known as the quate pamin and it is a very specific part of the brain it's responsible for all sorts of stuff and and some of even speculated precognition uh may but certainly intuition intuition for sure El oo says the cordate pan is larger in people with alleged psychic powers what the government has called remote viewing what about people who've had UAP experiences
very interesting the the the same thing and by the way that's not me telling you the that these are are medical doctors and scientists Stanford immunologist Dr Gary Nolan has been researching this topic and while his conclusions are not definitive there are two working theories one that people with naturally large cordate paman might attract uaps like an antenna another that UAP encounters with normal people cause that same part of the brain to get bigger and there is a lot of information to substantiate that this is this is this is real morphology occurring in the human
brain elisondo argues that people with enhanced cordate paman might have a talent both for remote viewing and communicating with uaps and that's important because it's an established fact that the Pentagon has had an interest in remote viewing for military purposes in the vernacular used to call it psychic Espionage there was a program in the US government it's called Stargate they were taking young soldiers and civilians and they were training them to conduct Espionage Behind Enemy Lines uh and the term was called called remote viewing a lot of people that were in the remote viewing program
had MRIs done of their brains and and a vast majority have have that specific morphology do I think it's extraordinary no it may be of vual capability that humans had for a long time but does it work oh it absolutely works it absolutely Works see remote viewing has been discredited the CIA determined that it doesn't work okay sure you're saying it does work it absolutely Works Lou says he knows it works because he was trained in remote viewing himself I I don't like to really publicly talk about it my involvement was only tangential there's a
story you tell of a terrorist suspect and there was a remote viewing operation done that you were part of yes we did an experiment um probably shouldn't have but we did and long story short it appeared to be um very effective that alleged capability for remote viewing and its potential connection to non-human intelligence may sound like a gift but Lou says it was also at least partially a curse he says that's because after years of studying UAP encounters he began experiencing what's known in UAP circles as The Hitchhiker effect uaps were appearing at his home
perhaps because he was attracting them what started happening oh wow where what I start um well we would have these weird glowing balls of light in the house they were they were green they were um small they were diffuse um kind of like like a little neon ball and it really caused some disruption for for my kids and my wife well what were you seeing I would routinely see orbs what do you mean by orbs small little spherical green lightish green type of color and be just walking down the hall and and I would just
stop and it would just continue to go right through the wall so we're talking about The Hitchhiker effect something had followed Lou home from work or his very nature yes how did he explain things was he able to talk about what was going on not well I could imagine you were pretty angry I was very upset the house had been turned upside down yes it sounds like the stuff of Madness Tall Tales delusions and anyway where was the proof for any of this but before Elizondo was through the world would see it on video there's
a whole Fleet of them look on the ASA my gosh stay with [Music] us this is the video that would shock the world and change it 2004 November the USS nimts carrier strike group we're doing what they call workups off the coast of San Diego and as they are doing this there are two different radar arrays that are picking up these objects over the course of several days dropping from 80,000 ft and within about a second or less all of a sudden being 50 ft over the water and hovering and then popping back up again
so they Vector the 2 F-18 aircraft and they go to look at this thing and long story short after visually seeing this Tic Tac looking object uh roughly about the same length of F18 fuselage performing in ways that we still can't replicate bouncing around up and down so this is an intelligent technology this is absolutely and it's and it's responsive and reactive and it's not human it's it's not ours though the Nimitz Tic Tac incident had occurred back in 2004 alzando didn't see the video Until 2009 and then in 2015 it happened again dude Naval
aviators attached to the USS Rosevelt recorded these two other videos during exercises off the coast of Florida that also caught the attention of intelligence consultant and former deputy assistant Secretary of Defense Chris melan the Navy was experiencing a number of incursions into restricted airspace and I met Louis the Pentagon began to to hear about these incursions and the more I learned the more I realized that we had a potential disaster on our hands the videos remained undisclosed to the public for years and it's easy to see why these weren't just strange objects in the sky
they conformed to what atip would establish as the five observables my God so the five observables include instantaneous acceleration Hypersonic velocity low observability trans medium travel and anti-gravity in essence the ability to defy Earth's natural gravitational force without the associated technology or means to do it the government has said that for the record this is not our technology you know people always say well you know the the things are from clearly from outer space and I say well you know let's let's hold off on that I often tell people look they can be from outer
space Inner Space or frankly the space in between there's a whole reality around us there's life in the bottom of the ocean that that that live and Thrive and they they survive off chemo synthesis not the Sun and then we have life that's you know deep down in the Arctic Ice that's thriving and even on the ISS space station what do you find though the most plausible explanation for the intelligence that we're witnessing I mean these think could be just as natural as we are they could be from the oceans we don't know alzando says
ATP also identified another pattern in several instances uaps have allegedly appeared near American nuclear facilities or Weapons Systems both the Nimitz and the Roosevelt are nuclear powered we do know that there is a a very significant interest that UAP have towards our nuclear technology a daunting thought to be sure but alzando says IP also developed a hypothesis that the uaps might have an Achilles heel a vulnerability that the American Military can exploit electromagnetic pulses of some kind could bring down these craft yeah the general consensus was that these vehicles the propulsion units are susceptible to
electromagnetic pulses meaning they are using a technology that the electromagnetism if they were to encounter a certain frequency of electromagnetism would interfere with their ability to fly and maneuver building on that hypothesis alzando says his team devised an audacious secret plan to disable and capture one of those Tic Tacs we had proposed A A A Honey Trap to to try to collect um data and information on these UAP so this was was an operation known as interloper that is correct so you have a nuclear powered carrier with other nuclear powered vessels uh potentially nuclear powered
submarines which also may have potentially nuclear weapons so the idea is to create a a nuclear footprint that is so irresistible to these things we would create a a a trap and then that trap would be sprung but operation interloper never made it past the planning phase interopa was styed wasn't it it was scrapped it was scrapped it was a pretty good idea and it was approved by a lot of people a lot of agencies And yet when it finally got to the top it was stopped it was blocked it's almost like somebody perhaps already
knew the answer or didn't want us having the answer alzando says the shelving of operation interopa was just one of several puzzling and frustrating setbacks to atp's Mission and eventually he came to believe it was more than just bureaucratic inefficiency someone was trying to block his team from making progress I took an oath to the American people to defend this country from all enemies foreign and domestic and it turns out that the enemy was elements in our own government it was a bureaucracy that realization would lead to the biggest and riskiest decision of Al's life
accomplish my mission I knew I had to leave stay with [Music] us if it's true that the pentagon's socalled Legacy program has been secretly retrieving and studying nonhuman craft and even bodies well where are they Area 51 right Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio or somewhere else no one has come forward with those specifics not even famed Military Intelligence officer turned UFO whistleblower David grush who went public on news Nation last year those details uh were not approved for me to talk about but now Lou alzando is going there there comes a point in your
book where you name names you name lockhead Martin TRW northr Grumman Boeing Ron BAE Systems and the Aerospace Corporation as being some of the private corporations that are involved been working on retrieved alien technology true uh it is true that it is in my book yep you also reveal how some nonhuman alien biosamples are now being kept at Fort di in Maryland or with the were or were or with the FDA and that they've been moved around so many times their Origins have likely been forgotten Alando claims that some of the answers and perhaps the
biological samples can be found here at the Department of Health and Human Services which oversees the FDA and the NIH certainly we know that a lot of these samples were farmed out to experts like the National Institute of Health NIH and the US Food and Drug Administration which absolutely fall under the authorities of this building logically it makes sense that there are people in that building right now that may know the location of where these biological samples are the defense company's elisondo names the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services all categorically deny
elizondo's claims he says those denials are only possible because he could never get the evidence to prove their involvement once and for all your investigations wanted to investigate those samples and you were denied access we were yeah you became increasingly aware didn't you that there were people in the Pentagon in the intelligence community in private Aerospace who didn't want you investigating uaps absolutely we began to run into some Fierce resistance and the more we continued to investigate the increased level of that resistance became um there were elements the only way I can describe them as
as religious fundamentalists it's a group that is euphemistically dubbed as the Collins Elite isn't it it is the colins elite has long been rumored to be a cabal of religious Fanatics within the Pentagon many consider them a myth alzando thinks otherwise that that group is Alive and Well it exists I I encountered elements of that group firsthand and they Gatekeepers inside the Pentagon who don't want the UAP story investigated that is correct Ross there are religious fundamentalists inside the Pentagon and inside the US government and specifically the intelligence community that have a very how shall
I say strict interpretation of their philosophical belief system alzando recounts one specific encounter with a high ranking member of this socalled Collins Elite he stopped me in the Halls at the Pentagon he said have you read your Bible lately and I was kind of surprised by the question like I mean I know what the Bible says what may ask specifically what he mean says then you know what we're dealing with are are demons these are demonic beings and we shouldn't be looking at them but aside from potential religious motivations for the secrecy alzando suggests there
could also be geopolitical considerations at play do the Russians and the Chinese have recovered craft I can't speak on behalf of what the Russians or Chinese or any adversaries may have or may not have well could that be driving Our concern that we don't want to show our hand there's always a concern when a foreign ad adversaries looking at something there is this cat and mouse we don't want the adversaries to know what we have and we also don't want the adversaries to know what we don't know right so there's always a reason not to
broadcast what you know and don't know to your enemy whatever the motivations for the alleged coverup alzando says it went Way Beyond mere bureaucratic foot dragging people were threatened weren't they oh absolutely some of our folks were told if you're not careful we're going to do exact to you what we did with the rosenbergs you're done so people are being threatened with death if they talk about this sure because and by the way say oh the government would never do that try getting on Area 51 there's signs on the fence that say lethal force is
authorized you absolutely can use lethal Force to protect National Security Investments and equities that we do it elzando describes the mounting obstructions the denied requests the scrapped plans the threats and above all the steadfast refusal to disclose any of this either to the public the Congress or even the president by early 2017 it had all become too much so there came a time during your work with ATP where you just decided I'm getting nowhere I'm getting blocked I'm getting styed what did you decide to do I went public I resigned how hard was it for
you to write this letter oh um yeah this letter is my my resignation memo to the Secretary of Defense uh probably the hardest memo I've ever had to write in the letter addressed to defense secretary James Mattis alzando said he was quitting because despite overwhelming evidence certain individuals in the department remain staunchly opposed to further research on the controversial topic of anomalous Aerospace threats because you wrote the memo and circumvented your immediate oh bosses oh yeah what did they do um well they made my life hell hard times were ahead but alzando was about to
make some hell of his own as he and those explosive videos were about to go public I'm doing this because I believe it's the right thing to do stay with us [Music] on December the 16th 2017 the world woke up to a bombshell Lou elisondo working with Chris melan had gone public with the now famous Nimitz tick teac video I contacted three different news organizations and eventually uh the New York Times editors were persuaded they had enough to do a front page story The New York Times published an explosive article revealing the pentagon's secretive UFO
program reports the US government is still collecting information about encounters between unknown aircraft and our military elzando spent 10 years as head of a secret study of unidentified aerial objects when the story broke you suddenly this covert operator who'd worked in the world of intelligence suddenly became an international public figure what was it like it was terrifying um I had spent my entire life living in the shadows um I was an intelligent officer uh anonymity as your friend coming out was was for me one of the most difficult experiences suddenly Lou Lando's face became synonymous
with the UFO question and now with his days at the Pentagon behind him Lou devoted himself to the cause he took a job with to the Stars Academy a UFO research and advocacy group founded by Rockstar Tom dong together they appeared on History Channels identified inside America's UFO investigation which gaed him even more Fame someone even started selling T-shirts with his face but that attention came at a price there were a lot of positives but things also were about to get bad weren't they I I did not think that our lives would be this turned
inside out for this many years it's exhausting it's exhausting you suffered retribution and in fact the office of special investigations in the Air Force began a criminal investigation against you didn't they they did what happened with that the the initial allegation was that I uh um was responsible for unauthorized disclosure and then I I stole classified videos out of the Pentagon and a whole bunch of stuff and long story short the Air Force OSI came back and said nope actually we seiz the computer say no no wrongdoing didn't take anything home and he never had
a conversation about anything classified everything's unclassified publicly the Pentagon has also denied Lou's claim that he was the head of ATP both in Prior public statements and directly to news Nation for this report effectively calling him a liar and a fraud take Isis I'll take Al-Qaeda you know whatever you those those don't scare me those don't bother me what bothers me is when people question my loyalty my intentions of what I'm trying to do that that cuts deep what do you think yourself of the fact that the Pentagon as you describe it has been actively
trying to discredit Lou I think it's shameful this is how you're repaid doesn't it makes no sense to me it makes no sense we need to have an intelligence community that is willing to speak truth to power here comes a guy who does that and clearly is correct does he get an award for identifying a huge major vulnerability in America's air defense like he should no he gets harassed by these bureaucrats because he's doing stuff that is inconvenient on top of the reputational attacks Lou and his family were uprooted from their home as Lou's new
job to the Stars Academy called him to California then the job fell through you'd essentially gone from fairly steady job well paid in Maryland and you'd basically taken a complete Financial bath I had to get a job at Target and then after that I got a job at Home Depot the family went from their house in Maryland to this mobile home does it frustrate you sometimes that people perhaps don't understand the sacrifice that you and Lou and your family have had to endure yeah especially because everyone thinks we have all this money oh they're just
G ing come live for a day in my life I guarantee you will run back to yours why is this worth it Lou I mean you were a gs15 in the senior executive service of the defense department you ended up having to dig your own pit toilet you couldn't continue to pay your rent why is it worth it I have two daughters and I have a wife and we have been through hell but there's a lot of people who had a lot worse than me I feel terrible because the stress I have put my family
through and what they've had to endure some relief finally came in April 2021 when Senator Harry Reid wrote a letter confirming Lou's role in ATP it's in black and white personal Vindication aside alzando says he's most proud of the momentous shift that's taken place in the National conversation on the UAP question both among the general public and on Capitol Hill in 2022 lawmakers passed legislation that called on the do to create a UAP office which would report to Congress that office is now known as the all domain anomaly resolution office or Arrow you have come
a long way since 2017 what's been achieved I'm most proud of the fact it's being openly discussed in the halls of the Pentagon that means that the stigma the taboo is finally finally evaporating and we can begin to see the topic more clearly unidentified objects in any domain pose potential risks to Safety and Security particularly from military personnel and capabilities with the testimony of the first Arrow director sha Kirkpatrick in 2023 it seemed like the UAP Renaissance had officially commenced but would it really be an Age of Enlightenment what he was saying is not consistent
with the truth and when someone like that blatantly tells you something that is not true you've got a serious credibility problem stay with [Music] us do you solemly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you guide on the 26th of July 2023 Navy pilot Ryan Graves Navy Commander d Avid frer and former Air Force intelligence officer David grush testified at a congressional hearing heard around the world I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade
uh UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program how did it feel for you that moment it was a very profound and proud moment for me so you had three military personnel testifying on the reality of UAP now that's that's historic whistleblower David grush came on news nation and made an earth shattering claim it felt for a moment like the dam was breaking that full disclosure was about to happen the American people deserve to know the truth on this but it didn't work out like that first Arrow denied David gush's claims then like Lou grush became
the subject of a vicious discrediting campaign including his own medical history and they tried to discredit him just like they tried to do me just like they tried to to anybody else who comes out and steps out of out of rank what's more Aro has publicly declared that it has found no evidence to support any claims of a government UAP retrieval program as for the UAP captured on those famous videos yes they remain unidentified but while the Pentagon says Arrow will follow the data wherever it leads it says it has not found any credible evidence
extraterrestrial activity so do you think that people like Shan Kirk Patrick are operating according to a dictated agenda that they're being told to try and suppress interest in the UAP what I can tell you is that what he was saying is not consistent with the truth and when someone like that blatantly tells you something that is not true you've got a serious credibility problem Dr Kirk Patrick told news Nation at no time did I provide false information to Congress in fact my team provided actual evidence something that all of the other claimants have failed to
do uh why haven't you appeared before Congress yet there must have been numerous opportunities well sure but there's only been one public hearing so far there's going to be more and it's not up to me but I can tell you I've been asked and my response was absolutely I will testify Lou is a patriot isn't he yes what's driving him he feels that humanity is owed this information people should know if we are not alone no government has the right to keep that hidden a growing public movement seems to agree as interest in the UAP
question continues to intensify both online and at UAP conferences around the country plus there's been a veritable Avalanche of former Military Officers coming forward with similar claims including rear Admiral Tim gallit and Colonel C nil non-human intelligence exists non-human intelligence has been interacting with Humanity this interaction is not new and military grade UAP videos are now popping up regularly like this one over Puerto Rico this one along the Arizona border and this one over an undisclosed conflict Zone in the Middle East this is more than intriguing more than provocative it's potentially Revolution AR and transformational
what can people do what shouldn't any citizen do how can they help you get involved talk to your members of Congress ask questions whether it's around the dinner table or the water cooler that's what I would encourage people do start asking the hard questions so Lou elzando crystal wall let's go one two years in the future are we going to be as much in the dark then as we are now uh no but you know disclos closure isn't a Sprint it's a marathon it's not going to happen overnight disclosure isn't an event it's a process
I I think this next Generation if if our kids are any indicator of of hope that's where real disclosure is going to occur
