Joe Rogan Experience #2063 - The Rock

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day and world what's happening my man how fun was that a that was a blast we had a good day dude that was three hours yeah we got uh Shane Gillis Brian Simpson ass mod Tony henchcliffe Duncan Trussell you and me we had a [ __ ] banging workout then we did the sauna we did the cold Plunge we did the whole experience we did the sauna again yeah cold plunge again I did it co plunge man

that was great and I love what you're doing down here by the way with the boys getting down here giving them this opportunity to get after it not only in their craft but also getting in shape yeah there's those guys are really good two dudes with diabetes today they just don't work out you know but we're doing it now this is the third Week and we've been talking about it forever but when Shane moved to town he's like dude I got to get in shape I got to I got to do something I go listen

let's start on Monday nice and light and so we started nice and light today was a pretty hard day for them yeah but generally it's pretty easy I just have them do push-ups body weight squats and a series of very light kettle bell routines just simple stuff right just Get them used to and then I started adding the bag at the end the Sprints on the bag the bag was great by the way yeah it's great way to end it yes great way great way but I I I like working out with those guys you

feel it you feel their desire then none of them quit none of them oh they hung in there out they were there they hung in there through the sauna they hung in there through the coal plunge everything yeah it's just they want to do it it's you know Sometimes people just need a little help they're not used to doing it they they know they want to get in shape but they don't know how that's right they don't know how to take that first step and they just need a little bit of help especially if it's

different with you and luckily for me too we grow up in that envir where it pushes us and it's what we do and it's part of our DNA but you could tell and all those guys it's really cool They they look to you for the show me the way and they do it yeah they well they they realized once they've done it a few times they walk out here they feel so good like they feel so like I get text message from each one of them they're like God I feel [ __ ] great I

feel great I'm like good that's you don't want to walk out of a workout beat up you want to walk out just a little energized feeling better and then slowly going to ramp things up so this is week Three today was their hardest day but it was just you know when you were here I was like we got to we got to go the Rocks here we got to go home we lit it up we lit it up we lit it up but they hung in there and and everybody walked out with a big smile

on their face we all had a great time it was so good man yeah it's so good and I I I and I told some of the boys this like I miss that kind of stuff because it's been a while you know since I worked out with the Boys back when I was wrestling we'd all work together because we were traveling together every night and going to the same gym every day and or different cities but I miss that that camaraderie yeah the camaraderie is nice I I kind of use my workout most of the

time I workout alone and I used to work with a trainer but after a while I realized like I don't need help pushing myself I just write a routine and there's a certain meditative aspect to being alone With your thoughts yes and just I like to put fights on so I can watch something in between sets but I just like to be and I I like to be accountable 100% for my work like I know what have to do I know what I do it and it sets the tone for the day which sets the

tone for my life mhm that's how I feel about it's just same thing with me in training I I love training alone I and it's been a long time since I trained with the boys that's why it was A it was a real treat it was fun f it was F those guys are all hilarious [ __ ] hilarious it's just a lot of talking [ __ ] talking [ __ ] and some jokes is so out of his mind just so great and shade it was great it was amazing then we but the training

alone though that that is important you know for the mental I feel like for me it anchors my day but also too life is so busy and crazy from the moment you wake up and you walk outside everybody's wanting Something from you yeah so for many of us by the way whether celebrity or not so it's nice to have that anchor in the morning do you train in the mornings yeah always in the morning but sometimes I do it in the afternoon if I if you know some sort of an appointment or something I'll I'll

work I just get it in I must must get it in but I TR I like to start the day with it that's what I like to do yeah me too it's the best way it's like you get it out of the way and Also I like to do it fasted so I wake up and have a cup of coffee get some Pre-Workout in me and just [ __ ] let's go that's it yeah let's go and I go right into the C lunch that's the first thing so the first thing is suffering like right

away suffer for It's Cold Outside who gives a [ __ ] get in there suffer suffer for three minutes and then warm yourself up through working out and then then get into it uh but we did it reverse today was it because how come we Did it reverse today well those guys are not really ready to get in the cold plunge first level yeah that's next level I can get them in the cold plunge after the sauna because it's easier CU your body temperature is already heated up and there's a certain amount of relief when

you get into the cold water because you know in that 185 degrees for 20 minutes yes when you get in that cold then your body relaxes and I just did it I just Want to get him accustomed to doing a son and press the [ __ ] out of me three minutes is the first time you did too 3 minutes your first time thank you man it was awesome you just stayed calm as [ __ ] in there I I felt like that's the thing to do right you get in and I heard you coaching

the boys breathe you're good just accept it just accept it don't because your brain goes we got to get the [ __ ] out of here I gotta get the [ __ ] out of here I can't do this I can't Do this and if you let that [ __ ] roll around in your head you're up but it's also good practice for not letting that [ __ ] roll around your head in everyday life cuz there's times in everyday life where you just like can make a rash decision because your brain ramps up the

wrong way and if you could just stay calm you could see a rational solution or rational way to handle something any kind of [ __ ] that's going any kind of [ __ ] that's going down yeah The ability to keep your head together right when you're and that cold water is like ah you want to ah like give me the [ __ ] out of here it it goes against every fiber in your body yeah and as you know like today was my first cold plunge I ordered it it gets delivered next week but

today was the first one nice so that's why I had to which one did you get um I don't know which one I got there's a bunch of good ones out there I know I needed a just a longer one yeah You need a bigger one you barely fit in our you [ __ ] switched up in there it hilarious it's great yeah that one is interesting because that's called a blue cube and the blue cube has a very cool option where you can crank up the water flow so you get it down yeah so

it's 37° and then you hit this switch and it just like a raging River so you never get a thermal layer so the thing that happens in the Cal plunge is like a minute in your body develops sort of a thermal Layer and it it actually is more tolerable after a minute than it is for the first minute but not with that raging River when that shit's in there like it's never tolerable you just sit there the whole three minutes just white knuckling it so it's harder how often are you doing the Raging River part

um you do it without these guys yeah I don't let these guys I just I'm trying not to get anybody to quit you know today I was Worried I was like yeah [ __ ] kind of pushing them cuz we added Renegade Road today we added windmills I added a few things to the routine but the last two or three workout two workouts I've been finishing them with the rounds on the bag so you do this tapata Tabata Sprint so it's 20 seconds of just going out and then 10 seconds rest 20 seconds 10 seconds

rest it's an amazing protocol for developing cardio yeah yeah no it was amazing I'd never done that before And it was great you know what I also loved I noticed about the guys is after the workout was done they're spent they're feeling good they're feeling great about themselves and I think pretty much all of them said hey we're doing this tomorrow right yeah it was good cuz you know when that [ __ ] really kicks your ass you don't ask that question well if they wake up sore who knows because there's a few things that

we did that are going to their legs are Going to be sore for sure for like between the leg stuff and the windmill stuff but we'll do something different tomorrow so tomorrow I'll get him in here we'll do something different keep him going are you banging them out like would you say five times a week whenever they want to come so like right now it's been 3 days a week but I'm like if you guys want to go five days a week we'll go five days a week you let me know what you want to

do and we'll do it and I Just I try to give him some stuff like if you're on the road just do the push-ups in the body weight routine just try you don't have to do 100 I do 100 I do sets of 20 do sets of 10 five whatever just do it and just make sure if you so say if you do like 50 push-ups and 50 body weight squats one day the next day try to make it 60 try to get to 60 try to eventually get to 100 and if you have to

do 10 set set of 10 that's pretty easy to do 10 are not hard you Know and then that last one you're like bar and eventually you'll get to a point where you could do sets of 20 and it's just it's easy it's not that hard to do you like when I do 20 at the end of 20 I can do way more but I just relax and then I do this the body weight squats and if you keep doing it it just conditions your body to be able to do that all the time yeah

absolutely and it's a great warm up 15 minutes and then you're sweating that's right yeah so we Start off with that and then you go right into all the other stuff so by that body's already heated up you're ready to rock and and ready to go yeah and and also too I feel like if you especially for guys like that who are just getting into it and dipping their toes into it feeling good they know they have to do it yeah if they're going to add some years to their life right and take care of

their families but also it was cool that um you realize that as These guys are doing it they're they're not again they're not giving up but also you could see it kind of computing in their head like okay two steps forward maybe one little step back you had the math and you do that every day you're far down that road you're far down that road and that's what I keep telling them I said this is just a thing where you got to not slide off cuz the slide off is the hardest part like the discipline

is very hard but the slide off it's so Hard to avoid the slide off when you're used to eating bad food and [ __ ] around and staying up late and drinking like all these guys do yeah it's really hard to be disciplined and just to say no matter what even if I travel on the road I got to get workouts in can't lose ground that's right that's right especially like wrestling I feel like comedy is a lot like wrestling just in terms of the schedule cuz you guys are working at nights yep sometimes twice

a Night you starting at 7:30 you're done by I don't know maybe midnight maybe longer right so it's that kind of lifestyle that where you really got to be disciplined were you were you always disciplined even when you got in comedy fulltime and you were on the road and doing all that I was more disciplined than other Comics but not that disciplined not like I am now I think as I get older I realize like you only have so Much like your body only has so much energy and if you're not in shape your body's

going to have less energy and as you get old I have so many friends that are my age that look like they're dead yeah and I'm like Jesus Christ you know 56 and at a certain point in time you realize like okay this can't be uh like a thing you do three days a week this got to be a thing you do every day like my body has to like know for sure it's going to work and every day work has got To get done yeah and if it doesn't do that I feel like it's

GNA slide off and when I've taken days off then I get back to it's like I feel way more slide now than I did when I was 20 or 30 it's like the slide is like you know steeper it's steeper it lasts longer it's harder to get back up there again like okay stay here don't let it slide yes yeah is your slide is it is it usually come by way like if you catch a [ __ ] cold or something like that could yeah that Could be it or too many days of no sleep

yeah too many days of no sleep will get me you know if I'm just traveling a lot or doing something that's like very intensive and I have to get up in the morning or I have to handle something family stuff or whatever if I have to get up early it's just that that wrecks you that's the one that gets you yeah and then you take a day or two off and then you're like [ __ ] yeah and then you got to travel again and you know maybe You're going over seas and you know then

it's a long Trel whole thing man you got to plan your workouts but you just got to do it if you don't if you if you just decide I take a nap then you won't do it and then you're going to take the [ __ ] nap later let's go you got to go let's go when you land this is what I like doing when I travel out of the country and I land whatever time it is right to the gym hit the gym yep yeah yep that's the only way I think to avoid Like

significant jet lag yes the other thing that they say is to fast they say even if you're on a 16 hour flight don't eat on the flight uh they say Don't eat on the flight and the idea behind that is I don't know why but everybody that I've talked to says to avoid jet lag one of the best ways is to not eat on the flight and to just sort of land get a workout in and let your body get back on its normal cycle and you won't have the same kind of jet lag and

still not eat When you land just land train that I can't do that done I've never done it I'm on a plan I'm eating I'm going eat three four times to eat brother eating all the time I just I don't like the idea of not eating when I'm on a plane like eat got to eat yeah I think there's something there's 100% something to the workout though that seems to reset me as good as anything I mean maybe not eating and then a workout would be even better But I've never tried it h how do

you do this because I think about this too as well like the difference between when you're tired and you feel like we've been here before I know I'm [ __ ] fatigued yeah but I'm still going to push through this and like you said I'm going to get it in whether it's at midnight or 7 how do you how do you know the difference between that and compared to something's wrong dude I got to listen To my body yeah just I think it's just an education you know you you have those over time right yeah

you have those days where you do push it when you shouldn't and then you get sick yeah and you go okay I see what I did yeah or you have those days where you push through and you feel way better I've had those too and you got to kind of feel them out and the only way you know is if you know your body and the only way you know your body is if you push your body all the Time and try it yeah when you when you're you have a [ __ ] insane schule

you're I mean I know a lot of people with insane schedules but yours might be at the top of the list you're right up there with anybody I don't know how you maintain all the things that you do and still have energy yeah what I try to do is try to schedule my day as best as I can and you know when you're busy and all of us are busy in our own way so I really try to Make sure that I'm paying attention to the schedule I'm really looking at it and I'm going to

take a fine tooth comb so and go not that not that because it's easy just to say yeah I'll do it oh this thing is for 10 minutes Joe can you yeah okay I'll do it and before you know it all that [ __ ] it's an hour and then it's two hours and all that so I really try to make sure that I'm looking at the schedule and try to be smart about the moves these days and I also learned man There's just power in saying no yeah you got to have you time yes

U time is important like you can't one of the things I always tell everybody discipline is really important but also enthusiasm is really important like in I tell these guys with comedy if you feel burnt out take some days off yes there's no harm in that like you want enthusiasm there's like something about being enthusiastic with comedy and I think with a lot of things like you want to Have that you don't want it to be a drudgery that's right yeah yeah you don't want it to be a a colonoscopy you want to go in

there yeah you want to have a good time and you want to appreciate it and sometimes when you you overdo things you just don't feel that enthusiastic about them so you got to balance it out but again it's an education so you got to do it the wrong way and they go okay what did I [ __ ] up and learn from it dude I always say with Enthusiasm you could really move mountains yeah right you really move mountains with enthusiasm because it starts with that Mike Tyson had a great phrase he said discipline is

doing what you hate to do but doing it like you love it that's real discipline that is that's I mean that that's what made Mike Tyson yes you know and that you know the proof is in the result but that's that's real if you could just force yourself into being enthusiastic IC about Everything even [ __ ] you don't want to do you got to do Hill Sprints like [ __ ] you we doing these [ __ ] Hill Sprints go yeah and then you get excited and then then it becomes something stimulating instead of

a drudgery you know what it is too it's that thing where I think like you learn about especially when it comes to training and that that kind of thing where it's either you look at it like ah [ __ ] this is something I got to do or I get to do Mhm yes I get to do it man yeah this is I mean there's a lot of people out there that are like seriously ill and injured and they can't do it God they would wish they [ __ ] give anything to be able to

do it one more time that's right and we are lucky we're lucky as [ __ ] anybody right now that's able-bodied and hears this is lucky as [ __ ] lucky man just lucky lucky and privileged I would say that super lucky for sure and if you can just keep that in your mind that's the Problem people get just accustomed to whatever they have and then then they want more they're not satisfied but gratitude is so important I know it's one of those hippie Crystal [ __ ] wooden beads things that noise as [ __

] cuz you know you hear it from the wrong people atude of gratitude yeah there's certain things that get co-opted by the like the word God I think is the same way it's like it's co-opted by some people and then people have this Negative association with it but I think gratitude is one of those it's it is real and it's really important and if you could just appreciate your friends and appreciate your life and appreciate people and appreciate what you get to do you can [ __ ] change your whole tone of existence you change

the frequency you exist on where you vibrate you can change man you change people around you too because they get excited by it yeah that's right it affect it affects them That's what I love to do with these guys I get excited we're having fun we're exercising but we're all having a we're all laughing we're having a great time it was fun they were looking over you they're like are we [ __ ] working out with the rock Shane keps go he kept like nudging me like dude we're working out with the rock what the

[ __ ] what the [ __ ] it was awesome it was awesome man it was awesome but enthusiasm and appreciation it's like there are key Concepts in life and even if you're not where you want to be in life and you're grinding and you're on that hustle and there's a lot of people like that get I get it keep grinding but also appreciate it appreciate that hustle appreciate this thing appreciate this [ __ ] beautiful chaotic known existence you're in thing we call Life yeah that you you don't know what the [ __ ]

is going to happen it's open-ended it's w it's yes man it's a Complete open loop experience you don't know what the [ __ ] is coming next and you're just trying to enjoy the ride you have no [ __ ] idea no idea it's a thing man when you think about it it's like um and I feel like I want to know about you too here I feel like it was a learn thing like I of course the concept of oh gratitude sure felt like I'm a pretty grateful guy but once I started realizing that

a lot of the [ __ ] that I was trying to get after and there's the North Star there's that thing whatever it ish it's always there but really the [ __ ] that matters most is the stuff that's right here yes like right in front of us you know this thing life family loved one kid whatever it is job even you know and sometimes if you concentrate on the North Star too much you don't even enjoy it you don't even enjoy the whole experience of of being present yeah be of enjoying the ride enjoying

the [ __ ] I mean that's Another thing you know it's it's about the journey e people [ __ ] up that expression but it's real it is really about the journey yeah it's just hard when you're gr when you're when you're not where you want to be in life and if you're listening to this and you you're just not satisfied with your position in life it's hard to to think that way you all you want is that thing but you got to somewhere along the line figure out how to enjoy yourself somewhere along The

line figure out how to just go as hard as you can but also enjoy it try to enjoy it because that changes the whole tone of the experience and I think that makes you more successful I really do because I think you have more energy you have more focus and you collect better energy around you from other people they they feel feel your energy they they they they're inspired by the way you live your life and how you treat people and what you do and how you do things And they want to do a similar

thing they want to do something that makes them feel that way and they want other people to feel that way as well and it's got the butterfly effect it just it just goes through all the people that are around you brother it's like it's it's like attracts like it's it's that thing right it's that thing man especially if you're grinding and you're right there's a lot of people out there who just [ __ ] busting their ass and unhappy You and I were both in that place at one time we were like [ __ ]

I don't like the position I'm in I want more I want something more but this idea but I'm going to try and enjoy it but I got to tell you it wasn't and I want to know about you too like earlier on in my career I felt like it's the grind that we love and sink our teeth into and just [ __ ] go and get after it but I wasn't having fun yeah but man that time when it switched in my mind like oh wait like Exactly what you're saying let me enjoy this now

let because I've worked hard to get here wherever this thing is just like everybody else but this idea like let's have fun while we're doing it along the way and you're right it has that butterfly effect it it affects other people and it attracts other people before you know it everybody's vibrating at this great place with enthusiasm yeah and excitement and fun I realized when I was young I got a Development deal for uh Disney when I was I think I was 25 26 and I got this develop vment deal and all of a sudden

they gave me like I think it was like $100,000 and I had money in the bank I was like this is crazy cuz I felt how old were you that so you I was like 26 I think and I was it was a development deal for a television show and all of a sudden I had money like my whole life I was poor and my whole life I was like wondering how I was going to when I was On my own and it was like how are how am I paying the bills how am I

eating you know I remember like uh taking like a loose jar of change and counting it all out so I go to Subway and get a sandwich you know like that kind of [ __ ] you don't forget that kind of don't forget that kind of [ __ ] but then the moment I got that check I remember feeling light like like weight had been lifted off me like now I didn't have to worry about my rent now I didn't have to worry about Food and I remember thinking immediately oh this is the key you

just got to not get to a place where you're not worried about your bills if that means like spend less money if that means like live a like a more prudent lifestyle whatever you have to do but get to that place where you're not worried about bills cuz that [ __ ] hanging over your head yes causes stress that [ __ ] ruins lives it ruins people yeah and so then I was like okay now the most important thing Is [ __ ] keep going like make sure you don't lose any ground here and keep

going because now you know what it's like to be successful continue that do whatever the [ __ ] you have to do whatever work you have to put in to continue that yeah and then when I got to to a place where I felt like I have enough money that I I'm I feel really secure then I started to learn how to be happy but in the beginning it was just drive it was just all go and it was just Very selfish thinking you know I'm just thinking only on what I'm trying to do but

that's all we know but especially if you if you grow up broke and it's the thing that you make up your mind I feel and it's the same thing that happened to me I made up my mind like I'm broke today but one day I'm never going to be broke and I will never [ __ ] go back to being broke at least I'm going to do all I can yeah not to be broke so when you have that mentality you you you have The blinders on yeah this is the way you're thinking this is

until I think we get a little older and we achieve the success we understand then it starts to go like this a little bit MH I gotta ask you something I heard this and I always want to confirm it with you you started early with martial arts yeah right and there you said there was this great quote and it was something like it was martial arts I think that gave you confidence to know that oh wait I'm not Going to be broke one day or something like that is that right realiz yeah martial arts was

the first thing that I realized like oh I'm not a loser cuz I felt like a I I moved a lot when I was a kid we moved from uh New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven lived in San Francisco till I was 11 moved in to Florida from 11 to 13 Boston from 13 to 24 so it was always dude I lived in 10 states by the time I was 13 too why were you guys moving around uh well My stepdad um went to school um in uh Florida well we moved to

San Francisco just to like experience something different and just get away from New Jersey moved there and then uh my stepdad went to school in Florida and when we went to school in Florida we had to go to the University of Florida Gainesville so we were there for three years and then when we moved to Boston he was going to the Boston architectural Center so we moved there so he could Finish it and get his archit ual degree so we we were just always going where we had to go and when we did that I

would have to make a whole new set of friends and so it was this thing about being insecure and young and you know life is kind of [ __ ] up and chaotic and you're you know you're meeting these new people and kids are [ __ ] cruel and I you know I always was insecure because we're always moving around a lot and my life was kind of chaotic my family life is Chaotic and I just felt like a loser I always felt like I just had to hide from people was like socially nervous around

people and I just felt like there was certain people that were winners in life and I was not that I was a loser and then I started doing martial arts and I got really good at it like I was obsessed and I got really good at it really quickly and I realized like oh I'm not a loser like I just have to find a thing thing and [ __ ] really get After it in a way that I know some people that have had an easy life they're not going to pursue it like it's going

to save them and I was pursuing it like it's this is going to save me cuz I knew as I kept getting better I started getting this feeling oh I'm good at something like I'm good at something dangerous and then I got really good at it and then I started winning tournaments and competing and traveling all the road and so my whole life from 15 to 21 was just traveling around competing that's all I did I I was kind of it it's kind of like socially [ __ ] up because I wasn't hanging out with

many kids my age I wasn't really Guardian I wasn't doing training I was just training competing training competing and teaching I was teaching at Boston University when I was 19 years old wow I was teaching an accredited course on tawo was like pass fail a but it counted towards your GPA so I tell All the students I'd say listen show up you get an A that's all you have to do show up and try you get an A you don't have to be awesome at it I just want you to just show up and do

your best and you get an A it's that simple yeah and so they knew that that counted towards their GPA so I had this big [ __ ] class and it was great I did that for a couple years and then when I started doing stand up first of all I started kickboxing and when I started kickboxing That's when I started getting like brain damage and I was realizing I was getting brain damag CU we were sparring hard for sure like for real you were yeah legit up I was like laying in bed with headaches

after sparring and and there was no money in it and I was like what am I doing like I'm 21 what am I doing with my life like I can't keep doing this and i' had already started doing open mics so had already started doing standup comedy but I was kind of like Just dabbling in it I was I thought I could do that too but I was I still had these competition aspirations and then uh the brain damage thing was scary because I knew quite a few people around me that from the time I

was 16 till the time I was 21 I saw them deteriorate like noticeably slurring their words forgetful not knowing what you were talking about like moments ago and I knew that's coming and I knew that was coming for me and and CTE back then wasn't in the conversation like that wasn't in the Lexicon right then brain damage was people would talk about people being punch drunk and right but I Knew Too Many people that I saw it in them I saw a deterioration from young people I saw slurring in their words and they would have

like one drink of alcohol and it'd be like they were hammered because something happens when people are punch drunk when they drink they just fall apart yeah and I saw that Too and I was like okay I got to stop doing this like this is this is D because we weren't sparring smart we were going to war like no headgear nothing no no head gear sometimes headgear but most of the time no headgear most of the time it was just going to war and you weren't really sparring you were fighting we were fighting all the

time and it just getting guys getting dropped all the time and that was just the kind of gym That I was in it was a hard ass [ __ ] kickboxing gym and beat the [ __ ] out of each other and and I was realizing like okay I got to get out of this like this is going to this is going to ruin me like and then if my mind gets ruined my life is ruined because then you can't think you can't do things you don't know what the [ __ ] you're doing in

life you're it's like literally everything is your the quality of your ability to think and I knew that I was putting that In Jeopardy so yeah then I went all in in comedy but I realized from martial arts that if I go all in on something I could be successful at it that's right like that's the anchor yeah that's it you learned yeah I thought that was cool man when I read that yeah there's things in life that man I think every kid should do something difficult whether it's playing chess or whether it's soccer or

whether it's wrestling something that really [ __ ] tests you Because you learn that you can you can get better at stuff and you learn that you can overcome all those feelings of weakness that are inside of you oh yeah and and it and it's it acts as like a forcing mechanism for discipline yeah and to work through that [ __ ] and also I feel like it's like with you in martial arts and then transitioning over to Comedy I feel like it also it for me it it forces also our kids to find their

thing and even if you get a Little older you know in your teens and in your early 20s because [ __ ] dude in my early 20s I was still trying to figure out who I was and what I was going to be and even into my 30s but I feel like the as you're searching for that thing it's like with me in football like I thought football was my ticket that was the thing that's going to allow me to I'm GNA buy my parents their first house right I'm gonna because I didn't live in

a house until I was 27 I was WWE Champion was the first [ __ ] house I lived it was amazing so I thought football was a ticket and then I realized down the road like I I I I have to finish this chapter in my life because I don't have that skill set to go on I could continue to push it and push it and push it but no but it like I was saying it forces kids too as well and older kids as you get into adulthood to find your thing MH right because

a lot of times we're in the thing we think It's the thing yeah and it's going to be our ticket out but it's not and if you can find one thing you can find many things yeah right that's it's like the muoto Masashi quote once you know the way broadly you can see it in all things there there's there's some real wisdom in those words because there's something about finding a pursuit or a passion or something you truly love that's engaging and challenging that is exciting for you and it it it advances you as a

person And the lessons that you learn in pursuing that thing you apply to everything in your life everything in life man yeah yeah everything in life there's a great you probably know it Bruce Lee quote from Enter the Dragon do you remember when he was like his it was a uh one of his students and he told the kid it's like a finger pointing away to the Moon yeah and he slapped him in the head don't concentrate on the finger you're going to lose all that Heavenly Glory around you you know yeah so back to

being present yeah Bruce Lee was a bad [ __ ] dude he was such a bad [ __ ] people really don't appreciate what he did because what he did was introduce Marshall arts in an exciting way to the whole world everybody was wearing Kung Fu outfits and everybody was [ __ ] taking martial arts classes everybody wanted to be like Bruce Lee he was the [ __ ] coolest guy that ever existed in movies oh dude all Of a sudden you got this little ripped Chinese guy who's [ __ ] everybody up and one

thought they were Bruce Lee by the way I remember get getting my first pair of nunchucks but I had I [ __ ] myself up with the real on in the back the head some enough times that I was like oh they make rubber ones that you're supposed to learn with dude I did that but and what did he do there was I feel like he was he was groundbreaking a way right when he came over here there Was something about what he was teaching was it gundo yes right so he was was he the

first or he was taking a version of it and well he was the first to combine the thing was there was a thing about loyalty in martial arts like if you were a judo practitioner and you started training at a kickboxing gym people would frown upon that like they why are you training Muay Thai when you're a a judo practitioner Judo is the way and the same thing was I had a very Open-minded Taekwondo coach and who actually encouraged me to start boxing and doing some other things yeah but most of the time that's not

the case a lot of like Kung Fu practitioners they don't want you practicing karate they only want you going to a Kung Fu Place m what Bruce Lee said is use everything that's useful everything that's useful and he put together a system of martial arts that incorporated everything that he learned from grappling from Jean leel And karate from Chuck Norris and Tang sudo and you know Kung Fu from Yip Man from Wing Chong he put it all together with Western boxing and wrestling he realized like there's so many different ways to fight and the the

style is having no style the way is no way like figuring out yes yes yeah figuring out how to adapt and move to every situation to be like water that's right yeah be formless yeah that's right and he taught that philosophy and that philosophy Eventually became mixed martial arts Bruce Lee was the first true mixed martial artist because he was the the first like true Guru that was shouting it from the top of the hills to use everything that's useful everything from all styles put it together but back then that was really frowned upon really

it was like kind of dangerous like people would go after you if you disrespected Kung Fu or yeah yeah to prove you either prove so Not only try to prove you wrong but like physically try and go after yeah they you were disrespecting their art which was like literally like a religion to a lot of people martial arts are very cult-like and when you get into a martial arts school the a lot of times the instructor is almost like a cult leader mhm you think that person is Invincible they can't be beaten by anyone you

know you have these like weird ideas about your Master you even call them a master you know and so there's this like very rigid thinking that used to exist before but not anymore no where there's no referential to to master or no the UFC just [ __ ] put that away yeah like there's still schools out there that run like that but they're not legitimate and they're not the good ones the really good schools they they're just teaching you something beautiful they're teaching you how to use your body in a way that Is is challenging

and effective and it makes you so much more confident and it makes you if a physical altercation happens you have a massive advantage over almost anyone yeah protect yourself yeah it's literally like a superpower to have that and to walk around to know that most people have zero idea how to fight right right and so you we've all seen these [ __ ] Instagram videos of guys have no idea how to fight and they're fighting each other and they Don't even know each other and they're swinging just swinging for the fences yeah hoping something connects

yeah I mean if you're a trained fighter that looks hilarious yeah it's like oh this is what are you doing like stop stop for a second just moving around like dude you're going to get hurt here like stop yeah yeah when was the last time you got into a fight fight I never really got in fights I mean I got in like one or two in high school but I once I started Training I was just competing all the time I never gotten like street fights right and they're stupid stupid stupid [ __ ] stupid

just like it's just your ego that keeps you there if it's one thing if you have to defend yourself someone's attacking you or something's D or someone's attacking someone you love but to just get into fights because you know how to fight is so crazy because like you think oh if I do what you do I'd be beating the [ __ ] out of people no You wouldn't cuz they'll shoot you they'll come back with a gun and [ __ ] shoot you you think people just like getting head kicked no they they're going to

[ __ ] you up man what are you going to look over your shoulder the rest of your life no you can't do that you can't do that it's so [ __ ] silly it's so dumb it's so dumb but also that's people that haven't trained they don't understand that like right would I tell people like the best way to to stop Bullying it sounds so counterintuitive teach people how to fight when they're young yeah teach bullies even how to fight they won't be doing that that's right because they in a way inherently have a

respect yeah they're insecure the reason why they're imposing their strength on other people and trying to make people feel bad is cuz they feel bad and they want they think somehow or another by being a piece of [ __ ] to someone who's smaller than them that Somehow or another that boosts them up but it doesn't it just gives you like you have low self-esteem you can't think of yourself as like a hero if that's the kind of life you're living it's it's a terrible way to live it is yeah and they don't but people

don't understand that the way to cure that is not to like just simply punish them the the way to cure that is to teach everyone how to fight like it should be a thing that men learn and I think some women too like not Mandat I'm not saying everyone should have to do this but it should be an option available to you and if that option is available to you and you take it I think it'll better your life and I think it'll stop a lot of this bullying I really do absolutely and the spirit

of learning how to protect yourself right in that anchor of learning how to protect yourself and then learning how to fight learning how to throw a punch learning How to do this do this yeah yeah you you also learn the value in difficult work and and in getting better at things and some people never learn that they never learned that I mean that that's the whole idea about training really [ __ ] hard MH you know the value of putting in that hard work early early I always tell athletes and I know you feel the

same way it's like the whether you're on the football field basketball court in the cage whatever it is that you do whatever Kind of Athletics it it always always starts in the gym and once you're done and your playing Days Are Over fighting Days Are Over wrestling Days Are Over you go back to the gym it all starts in the gym yeah that hard work we put in you just have to keep your body healthy if you don't if you can if you can't keep your body healthy I understand but if if you can you've

got to do it it's it's something that everyone should do it makes your life better it just does Yeah you know and there's so many intelligent people that I know that ignore their body because they're so concentrated on their mind they're so concentrated on intellectual Pursuits that they let their body become just a wreck just like yeah a physical wreck and we only got one man yeah it's one body and your intellectual energy is dependent upon your physical energy if your if your body's tired your brain's not going to function as well even if You

have an amazing brain right you're not giving it what it needs that's right that's right yeah I agree and it's also the best way to filter out the noise of life like if you choose to do something that's much harder than anything else you're going to experience and you it's voluntary the rest of life is easier it really is easier yeah stress and [ __ ] and criticism and [ __ ] haggling and nonsense and Chaos like you can get through that especially today Mhm right there's so much [ __ ] noise so much noise

and [ __ ] so much [ __ ] toxicity so much toxic so it's it's just out there all the time and you're right it's the kind of that kind of anchoring balance and training gives you the leg up to swat the [ __ ] away swap the [ __ ] away the [ __ ] today is fascinating because it's social media [ __ ] it's a different [ __ ] than people have ever experienced in all of human history yes these people that You don't know chiming in about everything the good part of that

is there's a a sharing of ideas and there's a a a way of communicating that never existed before and people are learning so much more about things than ever before social media allows people to break news stories long before mainstream media it allows people to tell you about fascinating stories that maybe you would have never heard of and amazing archaeological discoveries and Scientific advancements and it's incredible in that regard but it's also you're dealing with human beings in a weird form where they're not in front of you they're not talking to you eye to eye

they can say the shittiest things and they don't feel anything right and they're trying to hurt people's feelings and they make it like an activity like their activity is not jiujitsu their activity is like [ __ ] on people online starting trouble that that's the Trend today that it's just to to [ __ ] on everything but you're right I want to back up for a second because it's so important right that people hear this too as well I think especially coming from you and I are kind of in the public eye and we deal

with the [ __ ] and the noise and all that but we also deal with the good stuff and then like you were saying and I I am an optimist I think in My DNA so I like to look and search for the good stuff that's out there the Stuff that's going to make me better help me stretch out my aperture up here looking at things like oh I never looked at it like that thank you for bringing that up that's great I don't know if I agree but let's talk a little bit more compared

to the ones who the experts toxicity and it's this interesting thing that some people have to I'm GNA go out of my way to try and make you feel bad yeah and make people feel bad [ __ ] on this whole thing and really not offer Anything I think constructive right you know that we can talk about and chop up well it's almost all damaged people and the problem is yes a good percentage of the people out there are damaged and there's a thing about the kind of [ __ ] interaction that people have on

social media that just makes their life worse whether they realize it or not just fills their life with anxiety and and and this weird need to constantly check see who responded to what you Tweeted and what what are the comments on your Facebook post reading all and and you're not living your life you're just wrapped up in this weird Battle of opinions with strangers yes you know and you see people defending themselves online like I have done this and I have done that what are you doing the [ __ ] are you do it you

you're arguing with some [ __ ] 15-year-old troll who's in a basement who's hiding from his stepdad you're Like what are you doing and you know the the what I always love is the T is the typing in all capital letters as if some's yelling and the the how dare you and the this it's like what the [ __ ] are you doing well it's a sport it's a sport and trying to get the best response and there's skill to it you know the skill to [ __ ] on people and learning how to like

go after people like it's just it is a kind of a game you're trying to like Zing them and then you look at the Comments and everybody's agreeing with you yeah yeah get them yeah it's like living in that in in the uh just the the clickbait culture you know and want to raise the profile y so let me ask you this um and it was this is something you and I were texting about last week is is how can you tell the difference between the [ __ ] noise and the toxicity that's always out

there compared to oh that's an opinion that is worthy of my attention but I just want to look at and Look at this for a second like how do you differentiate the two it's difficult right you got to try to be objective and you you got to try to be unemotional when you read something that someone's writing like say if someone someone's like Palestine and Israel is a great example because it's the tension is so heightened and anything you say on one side or the other people will attack you on sure and so this is

one that's if you have an opinion a political opinion a Cultural opinion about the conflict and you post it boy you are opening yourself up to a world of people agreeing and disagreeing and chaos and fighting and some of those people are going to have points that make sense like say if you are 100% pro- Palestine and you read something about Hamas and you read something wow that's [ __ ] terrible you know you have to be willing to say oh there's both things there's the you know the the the fact that they live in

What's essentially an open air prison is [ __ ] terrible also the people that are ruling them are terrorists that's terrible too like you can't ignore any aspect this is a complicated thing what some of the Israeli soldiers they've done some evil things to palestin there's videos of them shooting people also what Hamas did is [ __ ] insanely evil like what what has to be done to fix that I do not know but to pretend it's binary and to pretend it's One side good one side bad that seems insane it it's it's all bad

it's all bad it's all [ __ ] heartbreaking yeah it's all devastating and you're right there's and I've learned I feel like we've all learned or trying to learn at least is because it is so complicated and that is a part of the world and historically thousands of years that I find complicated and I I try my best to understand I also try to go with an open Mind because it is all [ __ ] crazy it's crazy yeah it doesn't seem like there's a real solution either scary the things that you said yes and

I want to get to that in a second because I was thinking about that today is the everything you said absolutely this part of it is devastating this is devastating this side this side um the 240 hostages that still I haven't come home yet but also where does it go right where does it go where does it go that's the that's The thing that I think really grabs my attention because usually I think in I'm not saying a situation like this but there's a lot of stuff that goes on where you feel like I think

this is the path to finding a resolve or at least maybe the first steps of resolve but in this case I don't see it brother I don't know no I don't see it but I but but speaking to what we were talking about earlier you can learn from there that's where separating the noise from the Intelligent perspectives I've read some very intelligent perspectives where people give you a detailed history in the conflict of the region and you realize like oh this is like incredibly complicated and to have a binary Viewpoint or very black or white

Viewpoint is dangerous it's it's not and it's so easy for people to do people love to do that they love to other people it's a natural human trait it's a tribal trait that we have and That is what led to World War I and the [ __ ] the Holocaust is that they othered these human beings because these human beings were Jewish and you're you're seeing people doing that now with Jewish people and you're seeing people doing that now with with with Muslim people there's people that are angry at all Muslim people because of what

Hamas did all of it's crazy and you you what we need to do is realize that othering human beings is insane and if you could Look at Earth from Spa this one of the things that all the astronauts have said all the people that have gone to the space station there's a moment where you are up there where you look down on the earth and you see this magical thing that's floating in the heavens and you realize how insane these conflicts we have over territory of lines in the dirt and fighting over resources and it's

so ridiculous we are one life form we are one gigantic superorganism That needs each other cuz like yes human beings need each other we do not survive alone the worst thing that can do to you in prison is put you in solitary confinement we we need each other it's a part of we are we're this one gigantic group of of beings that are trying to live our lives all together on this [ __ ] magical thing that's floating through space and we unfortunately come from tribal backgrounds all of us we evolved in These small groups

of hunter gatherers thousands and thousands of years ago and we carry that DNA still we carry that fiercely loyal tribal DNA that allows us to look at people that aren't a part of us as something less than us and we've got other them yeah and what I'm hoping is that as technology allows people to communicate far more freely and and to translate languages more freely and or information is getting exchanged more freely and it Takes long time for this to happen yeah but we'll eventually understand each other to the point where that's way more difficult

to happen because it's so easy for it to happen if you don't speak speak their language you don't follow their religion they're bad you're good you know and then you're othering people that's right and we got to stop that that's that's a [ __ ] insanely ridiculous thing that's being done by world leaders they gather people Together against other people that you don't even [ __ ] know you don't even know it's one thing if you have a conflict with an actual human being that's like doing something to you this is like you don't even

know these people and these world leaders have told you that somehow or another these people are bad and you're good and we got to go over there and [ __ ] them up like we're still doing that like that's insane it's insane that human beings are still doing That and I'm hoping that as we get to know each other more through technology and through what has become the most connecting Innovation the most connecting technology ever which is the internet I'm hoping that's going to continue to evolve and connect people further and further the problem is

if it along the way it can get co-opted by governments and it can get controlled and censored and that's the enemy that's the enemy of all truth that's what we Can't have we can't have that yes we need to [ __ ] ride this out and let this thing write itself out and figure out the right way to live but it's definitely not through War I I I look I I I feel like um I agree with you on that and my Hope was in the spirit and vein of what you were saying is that

writing it out getting more information being open to difference of opinion here's how I feel how do you feel but tell me like truly tell me a Little bit more just so I can understand it but even in that the spirit of that I feel like you get so much more out of that and so much benefit but I look I feel like like you were saying we have to things got to get recalibrated man and I don't know especially over there I don't know what the end game is there so I but I agree

with you yeah it's terrifying it's terrifying because it could lead the whole world into a nuclear conflict and then civilization's Over and then we're back to caveman if we're lucky yeah if we're lucky if there's anybody left I mean that's there's a real possibility we can nuke the whole world and there's no one left except maybe some people living on an island somewhere that got lucky well what's crazy is that is a possibility yeah and that's it's happened before [ __ ] wild well the thing is it's happened before with natural disasters there was this

uh what was that super Volcano was it Toba was that what it was yeah the Toba super volcano 70,000 years ago that reduced the entire human population to a few thousand people wow yeah we we came that close from a super volcano 70,000 years ago to being down to like very few people they don't even know how many people it was but the estimates are a few thousand I think is that what the estimates are see that I think that's what they think but that's CRA a few thousand people is nothing Like how that's nothing

that's a concert that's like uh go to a concert like a a theater not even a [ __ ] Big Show it's my first wrestling match yeah few times and then imagine that's the whole human race on planet Earth and then you're dealing with by back then of course you're dealing with Predators you're dealing with uh natural disasters and even normal [ __ ] like freezing to death in the winter and starving yeah you know and if you're dealing with a super Volcano dis yeah you have also has of a nuclear winter super volcano coats

the Earth in Ash and it's one of the things that kills everybody is the temperature drops no sunlight gets through plants don't grow everything's [ __ ] and then you know you're cannibalizing there's a lot of that yes yeah I mean there's a high possibility that our ancestors were cannibals and that the people that had to survive through a lot of these things they probably ate people did what they Had to do yeah yeah did what they had to do which just [ __ ] yeah I always i' I'd start with my quad that's what

you need there a lot of meat on that thing yours too I don't think I'd eat myself I'd probably jump off a cliff you know that's the thing is like you know people it's it's a scary thing what people res too like this the Doner party right you know when those people got trapped trying to make the way across the mountains it's terrifying when you're Realizing you're starving and people are like trying to draw straws see who's going to kill who to to eat yeah yeah yeah you know you said you talked about the uh

who was it the astrophysic you said what did we talk about yeah the NASA the scientists when they they look up there's look and it has that emotional impact on them it really puts things into perspective right on how we're just on this spinning thing and we all do Need each other I always like to say too because I feel like it connects to what you said which is try to keep in mind history is always watching and when you think the decisions we make today years from now history is going to look back at

this time and and I think if you really think like that it kind of it just helps Force another forcing mechanism to try and make the best decision possible at least I try to think that way yeah history's always Watching man but we have the benefit of living a good life while this is happening imagine being someone trapped in Palestine and imagine being someone trapped in Gaza while they're bombing and this idea is that that they're supposed to get rid of mos how they they have no food they have no money they have bad water

like what are you talking about like what are they going to do they're they're they're occupied too yeah they're occupied by what whoever's Leading them you know when you're deeply impoverished and there's no way out and you're literally like trapped in this one place and you can't even leave what what are your options like saying that they need to rise up and organize like they're going to get killed do you understand how that works over there it's not that simple no that that's the thing that's why I go back to where's the wise brains here

and Open Hands who who Is what's the result I don't know what's the beginning of it at least you know I haven't heard anyone have like a solution that really makes sense that I think is workable that they could actually pull off I think before October 7th you know there there probably would have you could have had options right but after that it's like God the Israelis are so bloodthirsty and now these the the people that are like the free Palestine people are blood and you See anti-Semitism everywhere now a level that I never saw

before open anti-Semitism online open anti-Semitism people chanting chanting death to the Jews openly in public it's crazy CRA to see it's crazy to see yeah never yeah it's it's so wild and you would imagine that in this day and age in 2023 we would be moving away from all that away from all that yeah but to see it ramped Up In Our Lifetime is so insane because well That's why it concerns me though right and I know you too and a lot of people out there like where does that go right where does this escalate

to yeah not a good place no and then where is that person human group who's gonna come in and say let's right try this and how do we do that does it does something tragic really tragic not that anything that's already happened has been horrifically tragic but something horrific at a large scale has to happen that really wakes People up like a nuclear bomb hitting a city and people go Jesus Christ like we went from 1945 until today and without doing that if we do that now and then they retaliate and then that then it's

over then we're [ __ ] I hope that's not the case brother I hope it's not the case too but sometimes I think something has to happen to wake people up and like one of the things shake and recalibrate everything 911 did that yes like you remember after 911 everybody had those American flags on their car even in La yeah which is you know super liberal and they never would put a [ __ ] American flag on their car everybody had them on it galvanized yeah brought us together brought us together and it made people

realize like hey're we are literally country we're all in this together and without that conflict I think people start looking for conflict amongst the people that are around them I think human beings unfortunately have a Natural desire to seek out conflict or to embrace conflict or to be a part of conflict and you know and to go after people's opinions don't align with theirs and you know if there's no real problem in the world you find problems it's like that expression like the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever

happened to you right if it's Daddy taking away your Rolls-Royce because you drove drunk when you're 16 that's still the worst thing That's ever happened to you yeah but if your life has been this [ __ ] chaotic system of foster homes and drug addicted family members and crime and then and then you get free something that would drive someone up a wall won't affect you at all that's right cuz you've been through so much that's right and I think unfortunately there's a lot of people people in this life in this world that we live

in especially in America that live soft ass lives oh yeah and they Don't encounter real hardship they they encounter like kind of like minor league hardship that they have blown up to be the end of the world it's not the hardcore [ __ ] that really shapes you yes that a lot of people need yeah yeah I agree it's just uh we're going through a a very strange adolescence as a species and we're going through this like Teenage process of like [ __ ] up and figuring out who you are with nuclear weapons and like

if you looked at the The actual civilization on Earth itself the human civilization it's going through this chaotic period of trying to grow and get better while also engaging in ridiculous conflict and it's all happening in the blink of an eye it's happening so rapidly things have changed so quickly from the time you and I were kids I mean when you and I were kids it was Russia everybody was worried about going to war with Russia and then when the fall of Soviet Union there was just Like ah this calm that went through the whole

country the breath and I thought we were done I thought oh we're done with all this this is great we figured this out yeah but no well that's why I wonder what where where are the CER leaders you know like who where I mean it's a big question but well nobody really wants to be be presidents [ __ ] they crawl up your ass with a microscope it's not fun they've talked about you being president I remember at One point in time it was like they were saying it should be the Rock and Oprah they

should be president and vice president what dude so one of the parties came to visit me oh no at the end of last year asking for me to run oh Jesus Christ I mean it was for president for President wow it was in first of all incredibly [ __ ] surreal right because I was the guy you know who was wrestling in flea markets right years ago looking For free corn dogs and hot dogs and [ __ ] um selling my head shot for five bucks trying to make money and then all of a sudden

I'm having that conversation but no it was just incredibly surreal and so wild but also so incredible that they had all this data that would that they had said if this happens here's the result wow it was really [ __ ] deep and then I to think again surreal because that's never been my goal right I I appreciate it and I'm [ __ ] honored right because I'm like you in here in our core right but um it made me think it's it's either this is this is an incredible thing and I got some pretty

decent leadership skills or things are so [ __ ] up they turned into the pro wrestling movie star to try to run the world man but who are those you know leaders whether president or not but I just I wait for as it relates to the conflict over there Like who's who's not necessarily step up but just information as you were talking about we live in this time with incredible technology and communicate so fast and you could be as open as your aperture stretches out to be and you can get as much information as you

can so where are those yeah people who are going to they don't want to be president they they they're running their own lives and they you know they're looking on the sideline and Wishing that someone with Le re real leadership skills and real wisdom and real empathy and a real moral compass who's not governed entirely by money well you you just said it I mean those things empathy yeah you know that those kind of qualities Integrity yeah but especially the empathy part yeah and looking at everything as is open yeah you know but if you're

a person that has empathy how do you conduct a drone strike where you Know that a certain amount of civilians 100% are going to die but you know that a terrorist might be in this apartment building how do you Greenlight that you know because you kind of have to if you want to get rid of this terrorist I mean but we know the the consequences of drone strikes there's some insane number of people that are innocent civilians that get killed it's hard it's been explained to me by my friends in the military that it's very

difficult to Know the truth because often times truth in terms of what brother you get lies from either side look for sure 100% for sure truth into the in ter in terms of the reasons for the orders that they can not just the reason for the orders but the amount of people that died that were innocent but for sure innocent people die the question is how many of them you know when they when they say someone they bombed a wedding party that's real that's happened like thousands of people Have died that way all over the

world yeah whether it's Yemen or wherever there's they're conducting bombing raids there have been many people that have not been a Target that were killed yeah but what what are those numbers and what what's the reality of it because if you're on that side that get bombed you might put out a press information you might put out something that says a thousand innocent civilians and they bombed a children's hospital yeah but The reality might be it was actually 20 insurgents and 50 civilians like we really know what the real numbers are unless you're on the

ground doing a census like I don't know if we get accurate information from either side yeah but if you're a president you have to deal with that horrible reality that if you do an action if there's some sort of a military action that has to be taking place particularly like a drone bombing in a a civilian area you're Going to kill some innocent people that is a crazy thing to have on your conscience if you have a moral compass MH great and what are the options to risk our service members and have them go in

there and get gunned down and blown up and lose 50% of them because you didn't want to kill the same number of innocent civilians like and then you get into that conversation it's like what's the [ __ ] what's the solution there yeah other than we Shouldn't be at war with anybody and we should figure out a way to stop this before that happens before that happens all over the world right because in usually you could kind of see it coming down the road yeah you could see the scenario happening coming down the road so

maybe the ability to strategically get in have the conversations you have to have before it actually gets to that point before it escalates to the point of like extreme violence right but some People want extreme violence and that's the Eisenhower speech when he left office that there's a military-industrial complex that wants us to go to war they profit off war and they can you know if they're the people that are funding political campaigns and they have massive amounts of money that they're using as influence they can make certain politicians make decisions that are not in

the best interest of the United States or the the people that are The citizens they can do things entirely to make money you know like you you see it and you you see like the amount of money that's involved in something like Ukraine whether or not you're Pro us helping Ukraine or not where did we come up with all that money and why don't we have that money to fix America there was one point in time we talked about this where there was $6 billion they accidentally paid to Ukraine they overpaid them $6 billion what

that's the Exact amount of money it would take to rebuild every single house in Maui exactly yeah and no no discussion about that at all instead the Maui people get $700 a one-time payment which is insane what what are we are we a community or are we not if we have the money to donate to some guy who is a [ __ ] literally used to be a standup comedian who used to play piano with his dick that's zinski he's he did a thing he there's a video of him playing piano With his dick it

was like one of his routines wow he was a comedian and he played a character on a television show that Z was a comedian yes zilinski was a comedian and he played a character of a regular guy who becomes the president I forget what his job was in real life but he becomes a president and then ran for president in real life and became president and we're just sending this guy billions and billions and billions of dollars and some of it is just like Where is it all going like do do we have an accurate

account of like who is anybody siphoning this like yeah we know that there's massive amounts of corruption all over the world when it comes to this kind of stuff like where's that money going yeah this is nuts why don't we have that money to fix inner cities why don't we have that money for infrastructure why don't have that money for the school system inner cities yeah homeless yeah yes School you see what's Going on in San Francisco what San Francisco XI jingping is going to visit and a bunch of Chinese a bunch of world leaders

but ging ping particularly and so they cleaned up all the homelessness they they took all the tents out and they put fences up everywhere where the so the people can't can't camp out anymore we don't even know what they did with them I was just going to ask what did they do with them see if you can find a video of it it's crazy and then You got Gavin Newsome on TV who's making excuses for it he's like yeah we did well when people come over to visit you know you uh you clean your house

up like how about you [ __ ] clean your house up take care of it first all the time can do this now you can do this always I'm assuming you did something ethically responsible with those people and housed them and put them up somewhere I'm hoping that's what you did you didn't just move their tent to the [ __ ] Middle of the desert or something what have you done before and after pictures yeah insane well this is just a couple of pictures but the really wild ones are the fences they put fences up

everywhere so the people can't Camp there anymore put troughs up right there what are the troughs for I don't know that's weird what are those for troughs are weird but they hose down all the streets like hey guys why don't you [ __ ] do this all the time like why isn't this always like This yeah this is what San Francisco used to be like you ruined it now we know that you could fix it and fix it quick now we should be really upset as upset as people were before about the homeless problem in

San Francisco they should be [ __ ] furious about it now because they always had the ability to fix it quickly and they brought San Francisco back quickly to safe and clean and no homeless people in the street now is this temporary are you going to go Right back to to tents when xiin ping leaves that's crazy where' they go do we know I don't know what's the explanation I'm it's wild it's like oh you could have always done this yeah why didn't you do this from the beginning yeah what Nordstroms wouldn't have had to

close all those Walgreens all those everything's closed in San Francisco they're all leaving the the city it's like the city's a [ __ ] zombie Wasteland and you could have cleaned it Up at any time mhm Wild especially with that money what you said they overpaid overpaid $6 billion to Ukraine yeah whoops sorry no worries we're going to pay him more money in the future that was the idea like we'll just add it on to the the money that we're going to give him in the future but no discussion at all people have completely forgotten

about Maui no one discusses Maui it never comes up well brother you know that those are my People yes right Polynesian people my grandparents are buried over there in the islands my family so we started that fund the people's fund of M and now we've helped over 8,000 people $1,200 per person who is verified over 8,000 which is really amazing but one of the biggest things which first of all the whole [ __ ] thing was so heartbreaking but then also don't forget about Maui and it's crazy because the work that now that me and

The team have been putting it like it doesn't end right it's a continuous calling these corporations hey remember these are our American people right they're not just out there on the island but these are American people they can't forget about them so it's just it's a wild thing it's wild that that's not done by the government like what do they why wouldn't they do that it's the biggest wildfire the worst disaster in 100 years in 100 years we Don't even know how many people are dead because so many people are unaccounted for and they can't

find their there's nothing left they're incinerated oh so how do you find who's missing and who's gone you don't know it's going to take a long time to sort it out well and the the the the bill back to stand everybody back up on their feet and the families it's it's going to take a long long time long time but if you think about it we stood this fund up on its feet brother Within six weeks just like that they're still waiting for the governmental money it's insane it's insane it's insane when you think about

how much money we donate to other countries and we flew in after that after the wildfires man and it was it's like it's it's like something You' never seen before and you feel the weight and the heaviness of the area yeah you know when Devastation like that happens in that Way yeah like you just you land and you know you've been to Hawaii a whole bunch of times I feel like when you land you you feel that Aloha Spirit feels good it's amazing yeah it's amazing right and it's um but you land there and you

feel the the heaviness [ __ ] heavy it's heartbreaking heartbreaking and it will be for a long time yes it's but I'm proud of them I'm so proud of our people you know because it's like it's what you do in times like this you [ __ ] come Together well the people that did survive and do come together they will never forget and it it'll be a part of them and it'll probably bring those people closer together especially the people that helped everybody yeah but it just it's just insane that the government doesn't do anything

about it and they still could they still could they're writing these billion dollar checks to Israel and billion dollar checks to this and Billion dollar just come on [ __ ] could Step Up would everybody would approve it no one would say what are you doing why you spend all that money on Maui for our own for our own for our own for our own people yes which is crazy that Hawaii is America anyway I mean it's great that it's protected by America but isn't it crazy you have to fly five hours over the ocean

and you're still in America you you literally land in a beautiful volcano in the middle of the ocean That's created Islands yeah and that's America 50th state yeah it's [ __ ] wild but if we are if that is America we should treat it like it's America and we should protect it like it's America and we should help them like it's America Protect it to the core and 700 bucks per person is not doing that at all a one-time payment it's so insulting and so insane in the light of all this public knowledge of the

amount of money that we're sending to other countries Yeah well you know what we did on this fund just so you know it's $1,200 per month oh that's great it's great for months and uh anyone who's verified and you know with Polynesian culture um there's it's U there's a lot of people in the house at times like aunties and uncles and grandparents so there's some houses that are getting four five $6,000 that's great that's really great yeah yeah that's something and again should be coming from the government and it Could be done it's not something

that couldn't be done I mean it's something that everybody would support take care of our own take care of our own first yeah I mean what other what are we if we're not a country if we're not a it's the same thing with family right like you would take care of your family first I take care of my family first take care of our American people it's a community we should be Community yeah and we're so divided and polarized right now and I Think a lot of that is accentuated by social media and also accent

accentuated by the mental illness of being obsessed by social media because I think it is a mental illness I think it's a mental illness just like gambling addiction is a mental illness I think it's just that people are godamn addicted to apps and their phone and and just reading stuff and attacking each other and it's it's caused this divide to be reading stuff and believing yeah well it Was when I was a kid you could have a republican friend like it it was no big deal yes it's no big deal like oh Bobby likes George

Bush who cares who gives a [ __ ] you know you were a supporter of Bill Clinton he liked George Bush nobody cared nobody like [ __ ] you you know it wasn't like you're a Nazi like I'm a what I mean I'm a Nazi I just want lower taxes [ __ ] what the [ __ ] are you talking about saying how did I become a Nazi dude it's it's The craziest thing I have friends who support Trump I have friends who support Biden I have friends do you really have friends who support Biden

come on no no no no no no here's here's what I do I have I have friends thank you that's a good check cuz that's important this is important context they support the Democratic party I have friends who are loyal to the party yes and they're the progressive right yes loyal to the party support Trump I have friends who were Like [ __ ] it I'm not voting for either one last election this election so but it's that kind of thing that I would love to see us get to that place where it's okay yeah

it should be yeah you for that person no problem people should be able to have discussions about the differing opinions and not turn into just some crazy insult Fest which is what you see online and you see it all the time you see it online even with political commentators they get in these Interview sessions they [ __ ] start yelling and screaming at each other it's like it's [ __ ] it's [ __ ] stupid it's bad for you too it's bad for the people that are engaging in it it's bad everybody's listening well so

yeah and it's it's unhealthy not only unhealthy for yourself but also just in terms of humanity man yeah it's bad for Humanity yeah absolutely let me ask you this you you were um you talked about it's even for our guys our military boys and girls Who are on the ground to get information that they feel is really accurate like what have your guys said like for example uh Marcus arrell who's our friend and Tim Kennedy and I have two Navy Seals in my Family Two Cousins like what are what are your guys saying how how

do they combat the idea of not getting the correct information well they do their very best and especially like special operators seals Rangers I mean they get pretty solid information For what their objective is but obviously their objective is very narrow they deal with very whatever the situation is they have to go and take care of it they need to know how many enemy combatants they need to be know know who's in the house what's there what how to get in you know it's a very specific skill set that these gentlemen have and they have

to rely on accurate information and for the most part they're the very best at Getting their accurate information to those special operators but when it IT deals like with Worldwide scale like trying to figure out what's real and what's not and who's telling the truth and who's not it's like [ __ ] good luck because there's so much Russian disinformation and Chinese disinformation and American disinformation I mean there's just entire groups of people dedicate to dedicated to these troll Farms that just Go online and make things up and attack people and try to organize these

campaigns against a certain idea or a certain political candidate and it's just organized and it's you know it's funded and the it's hard if you're a person and you have a family and a job and interest and you check the news every you know once a day twice a day try just try figuring out what the [ __ ] is actually going on it's true yes so I always tell people especially younger People like hey be careful you could read it but be careful about really what you believe yeah and what's funny is I'm sure

you notice this too and for a lot of people listening uh is when you see the trolls and these campaigns that are funded right and they look like they're legit and they got all their [ __ ] together is what I always find interesting is the loudest [ __ ] talkers on there who are saying really like enough where it really stops you in your Tracks like wow you really took the time to type that they have zero post on their account yeah very few posts very very few followers and the only thing they want

to do is that and that's probably a funded person there's a lot of them a lot of them unfor but of course there are it's an effective technique to get people yeah yeah Kil Cliff this is my own flavor so spicy pineapple that's my nickname in college ooh Yeah there's um it's good there's a report they did on um Facebook the top 20 Christian sites 19 of them were run by Russian troll Farms 19 of them we're like stirring people up and the resurrection is coming and you know Jesus how now how how do we

navigate and combat that mind reading yeah we have to get to a point where techn technology allows us to legitimately read people's thoughts and I think that's coming quicker than we realize I think that's around the corner I think that's 10 years from now if we don't blow ourselves up within 10 years we're going to be able to read intentions we're going to be able to know thoughts we're going to be able to know things about that's interesting how do you think like what's technology yeah probably some sort of a wearable device initially and then

for probably higher bandwidth applications and especially For people that have neurological conditions and spinal cord injuries they're going to start impl like neuralink and one of neural Link's first goals is to try to uh bring people that have uh spinal cord breaks and people that have lost control of their muscles and to bring them back to uh mobility and they think that that's possible which is amazing wow that're yeah what they're going to be able to do is bypass I'm I'm crudely phrasing this if you're Scientists I'm sorry but they're going to be able to

bypass the human neurological system in terms of like how you move your arms and body and muscles and do it electronically and they think they can do that and they think that's going to be one of the first medical applications for this kind of a thing but the other thing that Elon said to me he said you're going to be able to talk without words now when most people say you're Going to be able to talk without words I'm like yeah man that'd be wild but when Elon says it you're like for real yeah like

you think you really think we're going to be able to talk with words he's like 100% what what what's the bside to that like how what what what is that exactly it's going to be something this technology will be some sort of an implanted device that allows you to have con constant access probably to something akin to chat GPT and AI or The next level of it along with some interconnectivity with other people that are wearing the same device and it'll probably initially be something that translates languages instantaneously and then as it advances it will

be able to read thoughts and you you'll be able to transfer images things you see I will be able to have this thing in my mind and show my friend Greg that I'm sitting here with the rock having a conversation and he could see That through my eyes it we we will have Universal connectivity with all Minds all Minds that have that thing the real problem is the Hales and Have Nots because just like if you go back and watch uh Wall Street like Michael Douglas had that [ __ ] big ass brick telephone he

was walking on the beach like look at this guy he's got a phone he's walking on the beach what a baller now anyone the you know you can go to [ __ ] T-Mobile and get a flip phone For like 50 bucks like you get a cheap cell phone where you could talk to a person it's a tiny thing it sits in your pocket it's so much better than what Michael Douglas had yeah and everybody can get it but back then it was super expensive nobody had it yeah and the halves like Michael Douglas in

that movie greed is good they they use that thing to advance their career multiply that times a million and you have the advantage of The initial adopters of whatever this thing is because if they integrate with artificial intelligence initially and they integrate with some sort of a a a universal internet system they're going to be able to accomplish things in business and in terms of like manipulation of financial markets and in terms of acquiring resources they're going to be able to do things that the people without those things are not going to be able to

do and they will Have massive amounts of wealth and power almost instantly within Years it'll be a change a giant shift yeah that'll go over to the people that have these devices and that's [ __ ] that's the most insane Have and Have Nots because you essentially have super humans essentially have something that's it's almost like an alien yeah that exists with these advanced Ates which is what we are yeah Does Elon feel like that will happen within a decade he thinks It's going to happen pretty quick yeah it probably will be within a decade

yeah he thinks that once they start implementing it and they've already started trials with human beings and I think the first trials they're doing are with people with neurological either conditions or injuries yeah and you know I've also heard it talked about Vision they're going to be able to uh restore people's Vision you know they're going to be able To do some why old [ __ ] by the the way brother I mean 10 years is right around the corner so quick 10 years ago was 2013 which is nuts nothing that seems like a like

like if you have a 2013 car that's a [ __ ] pretty new car yes how was that 10 years ago when I was I was I was tell people this when I was in high school mhm in uh 1981 a 1970 car was a classic yes it was only 11 years old yeah but if you had like a 1970 Barracuda like wow look at that [ __ ] Thing yeah it's it was a classic already but time seemed to move different then like 10 years back then seemed like a long [ __ ] time

and as society and technology and Innovation just spins this insane ever rapid Pace 10 years feels like nothing dude it's the acceleration that we live in today yeah absolutely yeah there's so much going on and I think when that does happen there's two B was your first car my first car was a 19 73 chel how old were You I was 16 yeah I was 16 yeah yeah it was a hunk of [ __ ] I think I bought it for 350 bucks IM I'm positive I bought it for 350 bucks it was worth 300

bucks it died the next day it died the DI the next day yeah but the dude took it back there was something wrong with the engine I'm like dude the [ __ ] engine seized up was that like your boy from your hometown a guy I knew a guy I knew but he took it back and uh it died the next day yeah it died the next day and Then I got a I was always into muscle cars I had bunch of muscle cars that was always what I was into you know how old were

you when you got your first one 16 okay so I'm 15 I'm in a bar in Nashville and I had no business being in a bar it was downtown Nashville um and on Lower broad because at that time I had this uh fantasy in my head that I was going to be a country music singer really dude well you know I love country I think we might have Tex about that I didn't know You wanted to be a country music s yeah yeah until I was like oh I sing in [ __ ] keys that

don't exist so it's it's going to be a shortlived that's hilarious dream but dude so I would go down to these Honky Tonks so I was down there with a buddy of mine named downtown Bruno and who's still one of my best friends today and a drunk walks in and he says hey who wants to buy a car and I had no car at that time no money we just got evicted out of Hawaii and um I said I'll buy it and I had no money I said how much he goes 75 80 bucks I

said cool I tell Bruno how much money you got he goes I only got 40 I said give me 40 so I give it to the drunk who's probably high to as well and I said here I'll come back and give you the other 40 it was so speaking of cool cars it was a 77 Thunderbird oh right blue there you go that was it only cleaner so so dude so check this out so it was a hunk of [ __ ] this is a Beautiful one here on the screen but mine was a hunk

of [ __ ] give the drunk 40 bucks he um I said hey I'll come back and give you the rest tonight I get in the vehicle I start driving down the road downtown br know was following me in his car I'm like [ __ ] I got my first car you know how it is when you're a kid right you're like this is it brother this is it I'm driving down the road uh on I65 down to Nashville and I hear a lot of noise some rustling you know and Those big bodies they have

the back seat and the floor is really wide mhm there was another [ __ ] drunk on the floor oh no then and he was I was like what the [ __ ] he's in the car he's in the car so I drive I pull over and he's just high as [ __ ] he's probably a crackhead and I was like dude I bought the car you got to get out this is my house yeah it's my house he gets out and then the next day I go to uh put gas in the car by

the way I'm 15 I no [ __ ] papers the car is probably stolen probably I try to uh put gas in it and the guy the drunk crackhead didn't give me the gas key oh remember those old school cars that had the gas key so I ditched it at a [ __ ] Burger King wow that was my first car you get the chel that broke that the next day you just left it there had noo why didn't you just Jimmy the thing open it's because I even at that time and I appreciate me

as a 15-year-old I'm like You know what I don't think the universe really wants me to have this [ __ ] car by the way my mom's going to come she what the [ __ ] is this where'd you get this car right no insurance no nothing no inspection yeah nothing dude yeah the first car the first time that you could just go wherever you wanted to go to me that was magic I could just go wherever I wanted to go just I just remember just getting in the car and just driving for the sake

of driving yeah which I rarely Do anymore but every time I do I enjoy it sometimes I like to just get in a car and just drive just go somewhere oh yeah just when you can't I remember um I had my car repossessed when I was uh 21 when I first started doing comedy I just went broke and had a uh fullon they came and they took it away oh yeah they took it right in front of my house they [ __ ] towed it and I knew I was behind on payments and uh now

I didn't have a car and I remember that feeling of like Having to take the bus and having to take the train it was such a [ __ ] drag man and then when I earned enough money to get another car after that it was like this giant weight got lifted off to me now I could just drive around it's like the freedom of being able to go places when you're a young kid that's an amazing Freedom yeah just to just to be able to just go I need to go to work I need to

go this place I want to go to my friend's house you could just go let Go it's incredible it's the best yeah it's a great feeling did you uh where was that at in Boston in Boston yeah yeah and then what kind of car do you drive today like what's your go-to well I have a lot of cars um I collect cars I have too many cars but uh my car I you know I drive my Tesla a lot I love it yeah I love that [ __ ] thing and I drive my uh everybody

who I talk to as a Tesla loves a Tesla they're [ __ ] great Jamie's got one he's got the one I Have The Plaid they're the [ __ ] yeah they're so fast it's it's a time machine how about I that's what I hear is there an SUV available yeah they have an SUV and they have the Cyber truck that's coming out how about a pickup truck that's the Cyber truck oh nice have you seen it you haven't seen it you haven't seen the Cyber truck I all I drive is pickup trucks Oh Elon

brought one here the other day it's [ __ ] insane it's insane it's insane it's a spaceship it Looks like something seeing it in real life is so [ __ ] cool there's something about photos are kind of they don't it's not you you're not in context you're not physically there where you get to look at it but when you're physically there and you look at it you're like oh my God this thing is so [ __ ] cool because it doesn't look anything like any other car that's it wow it's Bulletproof by the way

it's also Arrow proof I shot an arrow at it The other day he told me it was Arrow so yeah I pull a [ __ ] Arrow back and I launched into his door it bounced right off barely scratched it bar like you could see a a very slight Mark where it hit it but he said it'll stop a 45 plug wow yeah why I go why he goes cuz it's cool well that I was just going to ask why cuz it's cool like that's literally what he did I mean the whole thing is made

out of steel the whole thing is made out of steel is it heavy as [ __ ] Heavy as [ __ ] that's me shooting the arrow at it wow so you see right that's like right when the AR releases and hits it it's [ __ ] sparking up look at that yeah it was I mean [ __ ] just ate it like it was nothing yeah it's just cool I mean he just decided to make it like it's you know just make the [ __ ] coolest cyber vehicle that he can yeah he just

likes look he's the best kind of billionaire to me cuz he's he does wild [ __ ] I mean he made the [ __ ] tip of The SpaceX rocket pointy because he wanted it to look more like the one on Space Balls literally I mean that's literally what he did yeah he's just a wild fella yeah you know and he just decided so idea make it happen it's hard I mean he detailed the process of going from uh an initial concept making uh you know a demonstration vehicle and then production how difficult it is

and how Many things have to line up right especially when you get something that's incredibly Innovative and complicated I was going to say so the Innovation the complication the production cost on that and how heavy it is what do you think that's going for I think there's going to be three different tiers he said yeah there's going to be a beast mode which is like the most insane you know 1100 horsepower three electric engine 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds which is insane for Like a 7,000 plus pound vehicle 3 seconds 3 seconds wow

yeah okay and then there's going to be a lower tier model but even like if you get a model 3 which is like their entry level Tesla it's fast as [ __ ] it's so fast it's so competent and it's so it's a joy to drive yeah and if you've never driven an electric car you got to get past the fact that it doesn't make any noise cuz a lot of people love the rumble of the V8 and all that jaaz yeah but if you you Can get past that just the sheer ability that they

have to just go just take off yeah mine goes 0 to 16 1.9 seconds do you miss the rumbling of the muscle cars I just drive a muscle car when I miss the rumbling those those feel different though to me when I drive those those are that's like I'm on a ride that's like I'm on a Disneyland ride for adults it's like woo I don't even have to go fast just a rumble and a shift in the Gears and just it's glorious it's I love them those things are they're in my DNA you know cuz

when I was a boy those were the coolest cars those were the cars that everybody all my friends we all wanted we all wanted muscle cars everybody wanted a 1970 Challenger 69 Camaro like that's what everybody wanted so those are the cars that I really love what's your what's your baby that's a muscle car I got a bunch of them I like them all you know I have a 1970 Barracuda that's [ __ ] insane the Roadster shop Bill silver and it's got a 900 horsepower Mercury engine in it yeah it's a racing engine that

goes to like 9,000 RPMs that's my car Wow have you opened it up oh yeah yeah yeah that thing's a beast look at that that thing is really fun that's really fun but that was uh the car my mom had my mom had a 71 when I was a kid oh wow so there's a there's an emotional thing there oh yeah yeah to me that was always The car barracudas were just they only made them cool for like three years yeah but in those three years that body shape is just so badass that's what John

Wick had in John Wick four yeah dude you know that 71 Barracuda you you know what crazy when you when you tell me that because it informs a lot in my head like oh hey my mom had that car so just emotionally there's a real emotional connection there so growing up um I never had muscle cars in my life and Even my dad so what's crazy is wrestlers and I know you've had some few wrestlers on especially my dad's era in the 80s those guys it was always important that the wrestlers either had a Cadillac

or Lincoln oh so they're always flossing always looking amazing pulling up to like the arena in a caddy or like that was a prerequisite oh yeah and then we drive home to our [ __ ] trailer park but it was crazy so growing up for Me it was less muscle cars even though I appreciated them in movies it was more dude I can't wait to get a caddy yeah caddies are great that's the thing you know what I mean it's like just you're floating yeah just floating down the road yes yeah those were the [

__ ] but but there's also that thing too about like just the emotional connection and then I realized when I got my first caddy I was like well hold on a second I like it it it actually represents like What we call in the wrestling business work in the gimmick meaning the guys work in the gimmick and I I thought I don't want the caddy if it makes me feel like I'm working the gimmick I mean right right you're flossing like almost stereotypically FR flossing everybody does correct yeah yeah yeah that's why I went to

pick up trucks Christian Bale dri D around in a 19 was it no it's a 2003 Toyota Tacoma and so that's like CHR like $150 Million before he he became no no no right now that's what he drives around in 2003 Toyota Tacoma wait that's what he drives what's the emotional Thing by do you think there's a connection there with Chris he says it's good it's good car never breaks he's like I if uh someone needs me to carry something I can put it in the back he's just [ __ ] he's an artist he's

just pragmatic doesn't give a [ __ ] he doesn't Give a [ __ ] he's not interested in material possession [ __ ] yeah for him I drive a 2003 Toyota Tacoma it's a [ __ ] bulletproof car they never break that's awesome man you get a Toyota those [ __ ] go forever I have a Toyota Land Cruiser I have a 1995 that I drove here tonight I love it yeah I love mine's all redone it's got a like a supercharged Corvette engine in it it's all been redone what year uh 1995 so 1995

was finally when I came out of Miami University of Miami and started wrestling or no in '96 and that was my first car after the crackhead car that I had to leave at you get uh Land Cruiser W those used Land Cruiser they're great they will go hundreds of thousands of miles and not [ __ ] up yeah yeah those cars are they just over engineered them the Japanese just they know how to over engineer a car to make it incredibly durable and reliable yeah and that was great too because that put a lot of

Pressure on American automobiles because there was a lot of people that did didn't want to buy American cars for a while in the ' 80s cuz they [ __ ] broke all the time but those Toyotas they [ __ ] never break the lexuses the I've had three of those Lexus big trucks they go forever they never [ __ ] lexuses yes SUVs there's never a problem Electronics work flawlessly everything's Flawless you never have an issue never dude they're just over engineered and That's you know it's like it's developed a loyal fan base but you

know you can have a 2003 and be Christian Bale and it's not going to break no is your set man you know there used to be a a thing where they would they would sort of like build in the fact that you're going to have to buy a new one soon you know like they they wanted things to break down so that you would have an incentive to get a new one yeah that's right yeah there's this great Merl Haggard quote from one Of his songs I wish a Ford and a Chevy would still last

10 years like they should it's really cool crazy yeah yeah now that was back then I was going to say they do now and I drive Fords all the time so yeah they're great now like uh like if you go on a ranch almost everybody has an F-150 oh those [ __ ] are bulletproof F-150 350 the Raptor oh yeah I love them I have a TRX that thing's [ __ ] a badass is that thing's the [ __ ] mine is a Hennessy so it's a Th000 horsepower you [ __ ] it's a th000

horsepower T because it's 700 is not enough it's not enough what kind of wheels and tires you put on oh the Hennessy puts them on it's all he does like a whole suspension change and Bre upgrades the brakes and yeah that's that's what mine looks like [ __ ] yeah that's not mine mine's black but it looks exactly like that were you opening up that that up at not really I don't really open it up I just like that it Can do it yeah it's just fun that it can do it it can do it

it sounds glorious it sounds like America you turn that thing on sounds like America yeah it just sounds perfect it's the best part man yeah and if you're in Texas I think you have to have a pickup truck I think it's a law if you're a man and you're in Texas you probably want to pick up truck dude I used to live here in Texas where'd you live Dallas my old man I love Dallas my Old man was wrestling for a very famous family the von Eric family oh yeah yeah oh wow and they got

a big movie coming out by the way this on the von Eric on the V yeah called Iron Claw oh is that's not the um who's starring in that Zack Efron Zack Efron Z efon yeah that is a Zack Efron movie that's great some other actors too I think right who in it but yeah that's a that's it there they are official trailer all right anyway a wild Family my a wild family and just tragedy yeah but my old man wrestled for their dad which is the guy on the left um that guy looks like

the dad of a bunch of pro wrestlers it is look at him little hard ass with [ __ ] tape on his knuckles britz von Eric look at his knuckles the guy's covered in sweat and he's wearing a [ __ ] like a regular work t-shirt it looks like blood on it too as well the K the guy in the middle Kevin voner is the only one of the brothers that's still Alive wow the guy all the way on the right Carrie was my hero man and what's crazy is when my dad wrestled for Vince

I'm sorry for Fritz Von Eric we lived in Dallas and every week at this famous arena called the sportatorium this tiny little Arena size of like a little flea market those guys I used to wrestle with him in the afternoons and just roll around the ring wow it was wild that's wild yeah anyway what how old were you when you had your first pro wrestling Match I was 24 wow 24 years old so how about this so I again like we were saying earlier football for me was a ticket like that was the thing that

I was really going to make it and then I didn't um and I thought I'm gonna shift my focus onto something I think I'm G to love I think it's in here passion it's pro wrestling and um so I tell you a quick story so my coach from Calgary I played up in the CFL I got cut from the CFL he call got cut in October of '95 he Calls me in December of '95 and says hey I want you to know even though we cut you I want to bring you back next season think

you got some real potential I want to have you back dudes I'm on the phone it's one of those old ass phones that are on the wall on the phone I see my dad over there in the chair my dad's just an oldtime Grizzly wrestler we're living in his little apartment in Tampa my mom's over there on the couch and uh I tell The coach quietly well Wally buono is his name great guy I said hey uh hey thank you for the opportunity I really appreciate it but I'm going to have to close this chapter

in my life and he's like I I hear him kind of softly talk okay yeah I said so thank you very much I appreciate it hung up the phone my dad said who was that I said oh it was a coach from Calgary he said what'd he want oh he wanted to offer me another contract for next year by the way the Contract was like I was making 300 bucks a week Canadian wow so there was no money up there at least not for me and uh he goes so when are you going to go

my old man said this I said I'm not he said whatat do you mean you're not I said I I think I'm done I'm done with football and the pursuit of it it's just not in my cards he said what are you going to do I said I'm gonna get in the business he went what business I said the wrestling Business dude we gotten the biggest [ __ ] fight really the biggest am I want you to do it he didn't want me to do it but my old man was a groundbreaker first black tag

team champions in WWE he was jacked pull up my dad if you can Rocky Johnson I want to show you like he oh I know your dad jacked man he wasck he was part of that group in the early 80s right who were like bodybuilding and look at that shot what damn there's that's the genetics son that's it Brother Rock genetics gum that's it yeah oh my God he was jacked so yeah and we bonded he used to to get me up and take me to the gym when I was five sit in the corner

and I just that's how I get to you know really bom my dad he didn't want me to do it and I we got into the biggest [ __ ] fight my mom's crying I'm crying and he said what do you think you have to offer I said I don't know maybe I'm gonna [ __ ] suck but I gotta give This a shot and It ultimately it got to a place where I said either you're going to help train me I'm asking you to help train me or I I'll I'll go to somebody else

and at that time Brett Hart and that whole family had his dungeon up in Calgary I said maybe I'll go to Calgary he agreed to train me but I realiz he didn't want to see that happen because he was he felt like hey look around like I I and I was one of the successful ones in wrestling but I got a little [ __ ] Apartment that I gotta I can't even afford to pay 500 bucks a month I don't want this for you so we got into a huge fight he eventually trained me I

call a guy after three months of training call a guy named Pat Patterson who was Vince McMahon's right-hand man very brilliant mind in the world of pro wrestling first openly gay wrestler tough [ __ ] I call him up because my parents knew him and I said hey Pat this is Dwayne Johnson who Dwayne Johnson uh Rocky Johnson's son oh yeah what do you want hey I'm gonna I'm trying I'm training to get in the business what [ __ ] business it's it's a recurring theme everybody's what [ __ ] business the wrestling business why

the the [ __ ] do you want to do that you're just feeling like you're just getting bombed right right left and right by these ogs so I said I'd love for you to come down and just watch me train and if I got Anything to offer just let me know and if I don't just let me know that that's all I want he agreed he came down watched me train he said to me as we're training he goes can you work as a heel which is as you know bad guy in wrestling parl I

said sure I'd love to we start the match I work as a heel more aggressive dirty cheating stuff right um he goes okay done done and I trained in a boxing ring and as you know boxing rings are [ __ ] Hard it's like this right so getting suplexed on the [ __ ] table so it really hurt that's how I came up in wrestling he's smoking a cigarette I said what do you think do I have anything he goes um yeah you just keep working take care of yourself in leaves and I was like

did I just [ __ ] C because this he had a lot of he was he had a lot of power he was like the vice president of WWE I said okay thank you so much for coming out and I said just just keep working he goes just keep working kind of blew me off kept smoking a cigarette and walked off and I was like man I think I really [ __ ] things up or maybe I I'll take his word for face value take it for gospel I'll just keep working little I knew he

went home and he called Vince McMan he said you got to see this [ __ ] kid and Vince said who Rocky Johnson son he goes all right let me see Him bring him out this mon this Monday on raw and well I'll throw him out in a match before the show starts whoa Corpus Christie 15,000 people whoa dude this is your first match first match oh my God so Vince says to Pat okay great how long has he been working he goes he he hasn't worked he goes what do you mean he's never had

a match he's like he's never had a [ __ ] match I'm not bringing him out he's never had a Match he's going to stink up the ring Pat said just trust me so they fly me out Corpus Christie 14,000 people I go out and have my first match and I'm 24 years old wow I had my first match uh because usually when you break in you you know you're wrestling at a farm or there's a barn 10 people 14,000 people I wrestled the Brooklyn Brawler who's famous in the world of wrestling and uh I

get backstage everyone's hey great job great Job keep working I see Vince mcmah he says you did a good job uh but be prepared I'm going to give you a little bit more tomorrow I went great okay I see Pat Patterson smoking a cigarette come here for a second I said yeah he goes your punches I went yeah they [ __ ] suck just riding me riding me riding me so that was my first match first experience man wow yeah and then he he by the way he said if you're if you have A shred

of opportunity to make it in this business you're going to have to learn a lot of [ __ ] but learn how to throw a great punch what was wrong with the way you were throwing a punch it it just didn't look real and the best of punches like you got to be snug you lay them in a little bit you know but you pull it back a little you pull it well you can pull it back a little but I found the best punches is you follow through but learn how to just tap a

Little bit and then you know that's that's where you learn that kind of timing you know how some guys they hit a rope or piece of string or something like that right so yeah so I worked on the punches too as well wow that was crazy that was my first match that's insane when was the next match uh next match was a following night whoa so you were right into it right into it what's the second match like versus the first you've already done it you already been In front of 15,000 people I'm I'm feeling

pretty good because as you know and like people out there know if you prepare then all right I'm as prepared as I possibly can be right so we'll just see how it goes so the second night had a little bit of confidence but the guy they put me in there with was a guy named Chris candido incredible wrestler does a lot of acrobatic stuff flying stuff he had me he called the match he had me flying all around and doing all The stuff but it was it was a it was a great experience after that

I met with Vince he said you're not ready for WWE you're not ready for the big time I'm goingon to send you to down to Tennessee and that's where you're going to learn how to work and it was just a smaller company minor leagues he said but you're going to go down there you learn how to cut your teeth down there learn how to work learn the business and when you're ready if you're ready I'll bring you up I was like thank you very much I appreciate it and I went to work so dude as

I'm leaving Vince McMahon's office he says hey by the way I turn around he goes don't go down there and cut your forehead up with razor blades I went okay got it cuz in wrestling there was a time where that's how you bled with razor blades and and he he goes I want to protect this so good I do too all right then years later I'm [ __ ] doing This up in WWE but that had to be a good feeling though that had some real real hope in you that is my second match this

is insane there look at that this is insane wow does it seem surreal watching this this is so surreal man look at this by the way you see people still coming in right empty seats it wow that was it man first match Memories first match wow that's crazy that's incredible and then to go from there to where you became how to be surreal it was the most surreal thing because finally when they called me up to to WWE it was November Vince brings me in and I go to a big pay-per-view called Survivor Series now

the wrestling fans out know know what this pay-per-view is it's dece it's uh November 1996 there it is there it Is dude look at that [ __ ] haircut look at you Ray Charles cut my hair back then I was like wow so this is Madison Square Garden 22,000 people this is the there's Jerry The King Lawler the guy's a legend this there's a little bit of watch this there we go here's a double Lea frog here wow drop kick is coming up little Punch so even if you see that punch it was a little

shitty punch anyway but this is so that was Madison Square Garden sold out Vince McMahon tells me an hour before I go out you're going to win the whole thing tonight whoa I went what do you mean he goes you're GNA win the whole thing I'm throwing you right into the fire I'll never forget this he said you're either gonna [ __ ] sink or you're gonna swim it's New York City it's up to You and I went okay great I talked to all the guys and by the way in order to make someone like

that you need the other guys right to say cuz I always like to say you never beat anybody in wrestling truly beat you the guy allows you to beat him right right so all those guys in that ring right there I'll forever be grateful for them because they allowed that to happen so I I win the match uh new stars born in the world of Pro wrestling this rookie kid Rocky MAA this is the one 123 here that wrestler is gold dust comes from a very famous family that guy was amazing you remember him yeah

he was amazing man the whole Gold Dust thing was crazy so can you pause that for a second go back to my hair so I didn't know look at this pause I didn't know that I I went to the hair person who was backstage I said can you give me something that's going to make my hair like nice and like go down And she gave me like a thing that made it frizzy and then that's what you get by the way just a [ __ ] up haircut on your debut like luckily the people of

New York was like this we kind of like this kid his haircut is really [ __ ] up H you look like kid and play look like the bigger version of kid and play look at this look at that thing [ __ ] that's a solid foot above your head it's awful right this time the Referee's like hey get the [ __ ] out of the ring come on we got to show so you so well so what go ahead no no go ahead well I was gonna say so we win this match and things

are ascending the dream is coming true like this is it man I finally feel like this is what I was born to do and man it's feeling so [ __ ] good guys in the locker room all everybody Tak me under their wing there's some political [ __ ] that you always want to stay Away from I've always stayed away from that but for the most part everybody's supportive um because even though it's a Cutthroat business backstage you still need some guys you know who are going to show you the way so I W up

becoming the youngest Intercontinental Champion uh beating Triple H or he let me beat him right everything was doing this so at that time this interesting thing was happening in the world of pro Wrestling where it was fans were cheering the heels and anti-authority [ __ ] the boss uh led by Stone Cold Steve Austin giving everybody the bird [ __ ] Vince McMahon fans were loving that gravitating towards this that guy drives a pickup druck drinks a beer tells everybody go [ __ ] themselves uh now in wrestling world that's supposed to be a bad

guy but now he's becoming a hero then you have this kid who's 25 who's Coming out here we go you know the [ __ ] old school and Vince and the company always told me hey you can't smile enough I was like what do you mean you go out you smile I want to make sure everybody knows you're grateful gratitude of attitude I said no okay and it started not to feel good to me because I said well so you know these nights I'm getting beat but I still want you to smile Anyway so you

have this thing happening over here the rise of the Attitude Era and then you have this kid who's just smiling away everything is good even when he [ __ ] loses and it didn't it never felt right to me here and then fans started to turn booing every night got to a point dude going into my first WrestleMania Chicago I'll never forget it every night they were chanting Rocky socks whoa and I And I had to smile through it the bosses were telling me now you got to smile no keep smiling ignore it ignore it

just ignore it if you're paying your hard-earned money as a fan even though this world is fiction and it's not real um the best of the wrestlers always came from a real place so I was smiling away I get to WrestleMania Chicago sold out Stone Cold Steve Austin's on top in the main event defending my Title WrestleMania 20,000 people start chanting Rocky sucks so imagine that you're a kid 25 years old you got the belt on you pressure you're in there and the guy who I was wrestling U the sultan who is actually my cousin

rakhi uh from my S inside he had me in a rear chin lock whole Arena's chanting Rocky socks he's whispering to me don't listen to him don't listen to him Now I'm like [ __ ] this is my life now right we get out of the match I go backstage Vince looks at me and Pat and just says I don't know what we did wrong but we have to make a change I know what that means two days later I dropped the belt to somebody else now I'm getting beat every night getting beat every night

and then I get hurt I tear my PCL a wrestling guy Nam m holy Now by this time it's May Vince Says I take time off heal your knee I I don't know what we did wrong or where we went wrong but we got to really figure things out with you I don't know if this is going to work out yeah man and this is 1997 summer of 97 now this you you'll appreciate this part in 97 during that time while I was still going out to LA and working out we were Crossing all the

MMA guys Pride just opened up in Japan so I I was seeing all these MMA guys going over to Pride you remember that time right I think you might have been with UFC at that time right yeah going and at that time I was making $150,000 wrestling 235 days a year so do the math of that and how much you're making per match we start hearing hey these guys over in Pride are making 250 3 50 500 and I thought then well [ __ ] I don't think I'm going to make it in WWE people

are Booing me out of the Arenas I can't be myself they're telling me to [ __ ] smile I don't want to [ __ ] smile it's not who I am I start talking to Ken Shamrock at that time who's wrestling with us I run into Mark Kerr I start talking to him he tell me a little bit about pride and I have this idea in my head well maybe I should maybe I should train to MMA and go to Pride and make money real money and then I don't have to Smile I'm sure I'm

going to get [ __ ] up over there and knock one of my lungs loose but maybe I could do something like that find the right coach and train so I had this whole thing in my head I was talking to my wife at that time I said I think that's the way to go because those guys are paying real money and these fans are booing me over here for 150 Grand I get a call from Vince and he says how's your knee I said it's healing Up I don't tell him about this idea after

I've talked to shamro Rock and kerr and all these guys um he goes I want to try and bring you back one time see how it works out I want to turn you heel and we have a faction called the nation of domination who DC loves by the way that was his famous his his favorite Daniel uh the black militant group he goes I want to have you join them and we'll see how it works out I come in I said okay But I still got this MMA thought in my head again I just want

to make money and I want to be myself right when I get to the arena that night I'm going to join the nation I went to Vince and at that time there was only just two hours of live show Monday Night Raw now there's six hours of show on two different programs so I said to Vince hey tonight when I go out there could I just have two minutes on the microphone and he's like I don't know he goes it's live you Know all our time's accounted for all allocated I I said I just need

two minutes he goes why I said I just want to be real and just tell the fans how I feel um and I feel like I I need to recalibrate things here he said fine a minute you got great get on the microphone now now I'm walking out they're booing me Rocky sucks but now I'm a heel with this heel group I grab the microphone and I say something like listen I'm a lot of things but sucks Isn't one of them and joining the nation isn't a white thing it's not a black thing it's it's

a me kicking your ass thing and I'm going to earn this respect one way or the other dude that was the most freeing thing for me in my career it was like you know how you have these defining moments even in that one little moment I was just [ __ ] ripping all this open say Here I Am you now you could [ __ ] boo me but now watch How I respond I'm GNA be real I didn't have to smile anymore I know [ __ ] The Smiling I'll smile when I want to smile

right right right but now watch Watch How I can respond wh watch my words now watch my actions dude the fans felt something that night within a month I became the hottest heel in WWE wow think this is that's the Gratitude I get from you pieces of crap for all my blood my sweat and my tears look at that baby face look At that dude this isn't about the color of my skin this is about respect I became the youngest Intercontinental Champion in WWF history and what did it get me in arenas across the country

I heard chance of Rocky sucks well Rocky might be is a lot of things but sucks isn't one of them you know hey that's not a black thing it's not a white thing and hey let's talk about a racist faction you want to talk about about a group that's prejudiced Let's talk about the DOA the DOA epitomizes racism but hey you know what the hell with the DOA I want to make one point to all you jackass fans out there Rocky Mya and the new nation of domination lives breathes and dies respect and we will

earn respect by any means necessary that was it brother that's it that started off the heel Journey started it off man and then that was it but you Know what it is I look back on that and I feel like it's just a life lesson for all of us which is the most powerful thing you could be is yourself and even in that crazy world of [ __ ] fictionalized pro wrestling that some people love some people don't that idea of yeah ripping it out being who you are here I am man yeah yeah Vince

is just so interesting he's such an interesting guy the fact that he's driven for so long for so long this guy's been just [ __ ] Getting after it for so long and just lives and breathes this idea of crafting narratives and figuring out who's the good guy and who's the bad guy and how to set up a storyline and paying attention to what's happening or politically what's happening tapping into that trying to always have his finger on the pulse of what's Happening I can see how he tried the thing about you smiling all the

time you got a great smile friendly good-looking guy why not Have a smile smile people like it and you know what he said he goes I'm gonna give you a push but I want to make sure people if you smile then people will know you're grateful and I was like okay I I I get the the conceit of that right but there's other ways I think I can be grateful because otherwise I'm coming across as being a phony and that's just not who I am so by the way year years later even months later I

mean he admitted he said I totally get it now I Understand always got to be did Japanese pro wrestling come out of American pro wrestling or was it a separate thing that evolved on its own I think it was a separate thing that evolved on its own well I think everything evolved out of American wrestling that started off originally started off in the carnivals started off in um in in catch wrestling and things like that which eventually evolved to one of U MMA techniques so the carnivals for people who don't know Literally they' have traveling

carnivals where someone would take on anyone in the crowd that's right and these were real wrestlers real catch wrestlers who knew submissions and they would you know pin guys and get them in ankle cranks and oh yeah and and so the whole the thing that started going sideways which required a Vince McMahon type wait a second they we not doing this right cuz these guys who were just these [ __ ] badasses you know they go to the Carnival you know 10 bucks five bucks you come in try your luck if you could beat the

champion the champion beat the [ __ ] out of all of these guys but every once in a while you got a guy who came in out of the blue off the street who knew how to protect himself and hold his own might have known a hold or two and wind up beating the champion and this started to happen and before you know it a promoter or promoters or some whether it's the fighters whoever it was the Wrestlers possibly but someone was like hold on a second we need to work this because otherwise we're running

a risk at I was getting [ __ ] up like what if we took the show on the road right so that's how this idea of pro wrestling out of the carnival started to happen it's really interesting because wrestling itself is one of the most dynamic and difficult amateur sports but they never really figured out a way to take actual competitive wrestling and Make it a legitimate professional sport that's watched by people which is really insane because it's so exciting yeah mean so many people don't play tennis but they still enjoy watching tennis that's right

how is it that wrestling never got to that place and I think it's probably because of the carnival wrestling pro wrestling became a thing that everybody kind of knew was entertainment yes and it became all these characters and Killer Kowalski and All these guys that were like you know I'm gonna rip his throat out and [ __ ] down his neck and everybody and The Crowd Goes Nuts and to try to have just actual like Freestyle Wrestling become a sport where you're you know you're competing for cash prizes like you would do with tennis or

something else it never made it there which doesn't make any sense to me because so many people wrestle so many people appreciate wrestling wrestling is The Cornerstone of MMA it's one of the most important it's I think the most important because if a guy is a kickboxer and he doesn't how to wrestle wrestlers are just going to take him down and beat the [ __ ] out of him every single fight wrestlers can decide whether the fight stands or goes to the ground because once they grip you you ain't doing [ __ ] you're gonna

get ragd dolled that's just a fact and for whatever reason boxing has a legitimate Professional application there's even professional karate there's all these different things but wrestling as a comp competition an actual athletic competition never took traction professionally no it didn't and and as you were saying I think the cachet and the entertainment value just started to become more appealing I think to people and if you think about it back in the early 19 20s and 30s and at that time where [ __ ] times were tough and People were trying to stretch the dollar

what do I want to go see I want to go see this wrestling event it feels like and plus those matches they would work those matches where they're [ __ ] hour hour and a half like a long matches too as well crazy but I will say one of the most important elements which I know you'll appreciate and a lot of MMA fighters appreciate is the as you say the corner wrestling's a Cornerstone of MMA but also for decades and decades and Decades and and even still today um having a great base of wrestling is

important even though there's Antics and Showmanship and this guy's jumping off this thing and going to the building and bringing the car in and doing all this [ __ ] um there's still the the basics of wrestling is always very important because as you know with catch wrestling like it taught a lot of wrest and myself included cuz I came up old school uh to have real respect for the holds MH and To be able to get out of holds put people in holds know how to work them or know how to apply them where

you [ __ ] someone up if you had to so I always appreciate that about the basics of pro wrestling did you ever amateur wrestle so dude yes so especially in Pennsylvania I was I got there in Allen the whole area in Pennsylvania you know like they're great wrestlers coming out of Pennsylvania in Ohio but I love pro wrestling so I was 15 years old wrestling coach who was also the football coach was like hey would you come out right for wrestling you come from a wrestling family I'm like yeah great I had this thought

in my head I GNA [ __ ] kill this I've already got my I've already because my dad was working my ass out on the mats when I was five right and the Von Erics were working me out when I was five right and so I had this Bas holds lockups everything and my first Wrestling practice I was like [ __ ] this is the most boring [ __ ] I've ever felt and I told my guys who was I was like guys I don't I cuz I was just so now conditioned now of course

it's the hardest [ __ ] sport out there is the hardest sport hardest [ __ ] sport I have so much respect for it but you know what it was it was just me at 15 dude I love the pile drivers right I love the bad guys I want to be pro wrestler you know I get it yeah it's uh it would have Been an interesting turn of events if you w up going to Pride oh my God you idea where you were going to train I had no idea I was just I felt like

I'm spinning here did you have any experience in Striking a little bit very little my dad was a great amateur boxer he sparred with Foreman wow a few times sparred with Ali that was a little bit more of a show great amateur Golden Gloves in Canada like he was a badass so he was teaching me how To hit at a young age heavy bag speed bag things like that I had a little bit I and and I felt like I've always been I've always has been very coachable in whatever it is that I did whether

it's football wrestling track whatever it is so I felt like hey I'm going to go into this if there's a shot at this and I could go to Pride and make money by the way I just I had this thought of Pride because it felt like oh those guys there they're making money they're putting on These big shows there's 20 30,000 people in these shows this looks incredible and not only that but then I think when you're talking to guys and they're in it and they're saying yeah you could do it you could do it

well you know um Rock was very smart by the way which I really appreciate about him and at that time we were wrestling each other every night so I got a chance to get to know him very well and work out with him and he was just Like you might just stick with this first like there's a real shot here like you you got something here stick with this and if you remember he started in pro wrestling yep and then went over when you were there right in the early days of the UFC yeah he

was dominant in MMA in the early days he was one of the first guys to figure out conditioning his his gym the lion Den notorious for being absolutely brutal with their strength and conditioning routines yeah They would put people through a [ __ ] Gauntlet to join that team and it was one of the most difficult teams to join it was there were like legendary sessions that they would put you through they would try to break you just try and he would just try to let you know like the worst thing you want to be

in a fight is tired and you are going to get tired as [ __ ] training with us so that the fight's going to be easy easy yeah wow and they developed some amazing Fighters so many the early days of MMA his his brother Frank was one of the very best Prof he was one of the very best complete MMA fighters in my opinion the first truly complete MMA fighter we saw and a guy with insane cardio insane and that was one of the things about Frank is that he could just [ __ ] go

forever and he like when he beat Tito Ortiz be Tito was much bigger than him stronger than him and he just overwhelmed him with volume and cardio And eventually beat his ass I remember that it was it was and that taught Tito a giant and he was in Crazy shape too crazy shap both of them Jack yeah Jack Franken and Ken yeah and Frank was fighting I mean he had been training for like a year and a half and he was fighting in Japan yeah I mean just insane insane but he was just a quick

learner and just fully committed and what by the time he became UFC champion I mean he he just had an arsenal of Skills yeah he was he was the first truly complete MMA fighter and people for for whatever reason they forgot how good he was yeah but he was he was in my opinion the first real complete yes like fully well-rounded submission artist he could knock you out he was a dog in a fight just an incredible conditioning built like a god yeah he was the first he was the first let me ask you this

about these guys say for example to take Frank Shamrock Ken Shamrock I know I Love that guy Mark Kerr who I've gotten to know very well do you think these guys I don't want to say were they ahead of their time cuz they were all founding fathers yeah they're Pioneers Pioneers man how do you think those guys would Faire today even with their the insane mindset that those guys had right I feel like with the different kind of coaching how they were coached back then I feel like they would Still dominate I feel like all

Champions have a quality that in any era dependent upon the skill level of that area era they would rise to whatever that skill level is yes what's going on today is you've got guys with one two fights in the UFC that are Elite Fighters they might have 30 amateur fights 11 yeah you're getting these guys that are competing now that are first fight in the UFC they're world class you you see like how smooth and Technical they are Like Jesus Christ these guys are so good back then that wasn't the case so you could get

away with a lot more and you didn't have as high a bar to Aspire to but Champions rise to the level competition that's around them that's right and I think guys like Frank Shamrock or Ken Shamrock or Hoy Gracie they would rise today they would all rise today because they're Champions it's like there's a mindset they would just have to do things differently and They would have to check leg kicks oh they would have to know every aspect of it like ho in the beginning very little striking he would just kind of throw kicks just

to try to get a clinch and get a hold of you and his Jiu-Jitsu was so Superior to everybody's that once he got you to the ground you were [ __ ] yeah but that's not good enough today like now everyone's a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu now everyone knows how to move on the ground now everyone knows how to Defend and everyone has nasty standup and you have to have everything today but hoist would have developed that he would have he's a champion there's a mindset of someone who can win one of those gigantic tournaments

that he won like in the early days he's fighting guys 270 pounds when he fought Dan SN Dan s was giant CCH him in a triangle yeah hor multiple fights night multiple fights a night multiple fights a night yeah the Champions are champions and the Thing is the level of competition today is so high that it's like there's more required of everyone but I feel like Champions are a very unique breed of individual and champions would rise in any era because they would figure out what they need to do in accordance to like what's the

competition and who's around them and they would rise that occasion that's right that's what I think it's a capacity that they have they have and back then nobody knew I Mean Marco HOAs was the first guy to show us leg kicks we were like Jesus Christ look at this guy he's just chopping at Paul varin's legs yeah Marco was like 220 lbs and Paul varland the the polar bear he was [ __ ] huge he was like 300 plus and Marco's just kicking his legs kicking his legs and eventually guy collapses and we're like oh

my God you can kick the legs and then it became a thing where everybody started kicking legs and then Pedro jizo Comes around and he's the most devastating leg kicker and there was these guys that learn from what they're seeing around them and you see that now we were talking about the calf kick relatively new thing in MMA but it's devastating and everyone does it now and if you don't know it and you don't know how to check it you're [ __ ] yes one or two kicks to the calf and your leg's useless and

done right foot goes numb yeah your leg doesn't move you can't Stand on it right you so you're compromised so all your balance is on your left leg now because your right leg's [ __ ] so you switch stances and you put your left leg forward now that Ked and you're yes you're trying not to show your [ __ ] like exactly trying to keep a poker face and let me let me ask you this do you think um it ever goes back to at any point where it's different weight classes against each other it

could some wild organization Russia I'm sure is doing that right now there's always someone who's try Japan did a lot of that they did some crazy freak shows that was the thing about Japan they love to put like Bob sap 350 lbs of solid muscle and they put him against Minar Who's the champion who was like 220 natural you know just but minaro won it was one of those cases where Jiu-Jitsu prevailed over a larger scarier opponent but there's a moment in That fight where Bob sap at the beginning of the fight pile drives minaro

I remember that and he [ __ ] his neck up for years his neck was probably never the same again after that fight wow played I played against Bob in football yeah yeah he was giant fing giant giant like a like a T he didn't even look like a real person and the body insane 370 with abs yes yeah you would see him and you would go what like when he was across the ring in Pride That's what they loved they loved that freak Show aspect of it that Bob saap standing over there just not

even looking like a human being looking like a character in an Avengers movie like look at the size of him this is the this is the round one so this is Bob sap so minaro shoots for a shot Bob sap picks him up dumps him on his head bro on his [ __ ] head God I mean insane and mino's got to be an agony's going yeah but he he got a Hold of the leg this time to stopped that but I mean it went back and forth and then minaro he hits the switch and

eventually gets on top of Bob sap at the end of the fight and gets him in an armar but it was a grueling encounter yes spent a lot of time on his back getting beaten up by this enormous super powerful dude incredible and then did Bob gas out like yeah Bob gassed out yeah I mean Bob was so big I mean the cardiovascular requirements to someone Who's that big I mean Jesus Christ but also minaro Jiu-Jitsu was Next Level just super Next Level he was really one of the first Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts to have

an elite guard so like when you were on if you were on top and he was on his back you were in still Dangerous Waters yes cuz this guy was just an elite black belt in Jiu-Jitsu and for Jiu-Jitsu when he caught him in this armar it was the biggest win ever I remember me and my Friends are watching this me and my friends are watching this and when he catches him in this armar and he eventually gets it we [ __ ] jumped up and cheered he's like [ __ ] Jitsu yeah's right away

and we're like no way he did it he [ __ ] did it he was our hero he was the Jiu-Jitsu hero really yeah minaro Nera was the hero for sure because he represented Jiu-Jitsu against the worst case scenario a [ __ ] super athlete yes a person that Didn't even look like a person just dumped you on your [ __ ] head by the way massive guy who was battering him was beating him up and slamming him on the ground and he he prevailed with skill yeah yeah yeah like minaro that guy would be

a champion today he'd be a champion in any era yes just Champions Fedor be a champion in any era yes there's guys like that that are just they special they're special people did you do you wish that he had his run in 100 UFC what happened there I don't know there's a lot of different versions of the story there's a a lot of uh characters in Russia that were connected to Fedor that wanted they they had some heavy requirements of what you know they wanted from the UFC and the UFC wasn't willing to give it

to them and sure it got pretty testy it got got got dangerous it got you know there's some real people over there some real dudes but you know I feel like That's it reminds that's just that's the fight business that's really the fight business from Russia too yes I mean these are hard men and Fedor was the hardest that [ __ ] never changed his expression he was beating people into a bloody pulp and he looked like he and te the same yes yes he was a he was a special guy that mentality oh my

God he was a special guy he fought Kevin randman and Kevin randman suplexed him on his neck just threw him through the Air and slammed him on his neck and within moments afterwards Fedor had him in an armar moments afterwards you know just a machine he was a machine and and stoic stoic and deceiving deceptively right cuz even Kevin randman just the body you know these guys who look like a gazillion dollar a god a God and you have Fedor who just had like a [ __ ] sloppy body looked like he just ate a

bunch of potatoes and drank beer big old Roll of fat just [ __ ] everybody up so here's the fight if you look at fedar that does not look like the best fighter in the world when you look at his body unbelievable but if you look at his movements his movements were [ __ ] perfect yes he had such good striking too and he was so Elite on the ground yeah and he was one of the first you know guys who could do everything ground and pound stand up blast you standing up you now here's

a slam this is just the Beginning this is the beginning of the fight but at one point in time Fedor figures out a way to get up and then randomman suplexes him and when he suplexed him right here right on his neck boom I mean but look Fedor just immediately rolls yep ate it he's good and so they get into this scramble and this is back when you could throw knees to the head on the ground too Pride look he reversed him show show how he reversed him because it was [ __ ] Beautiful watch

this so randomman who is an elite wrestler you got to imagine what kind of skill it takes to be able to reverse a guy like that yes you know a real elite College wrestler you see that [ __ ] up leg see see the veins on his leg that's from a fight with pedroo pedroo would kick your leg so hard that all your arteries would burst and that's what happened and guys would get compartment syndrome in their leg where their leg would fill up with blood and It would take them like six months to recover

from a Pedro jizo fight wow yeah Pedro jizo was the scariest [ __ ] leg kicker that ever fought in the sport and look at this immediately locks up at kamur and that's it that's a wrap that was Fedor and look never changes expression even when he wins nothing nothing no yeeha no [ __ ] yeah look at as he's getting slammed I mean right on his [ __ ] neck man and then catches him in the Kamora I mean that was Fedor he he figured out a way to win against anybody and for a

period of time he was the greatest ever I don't know it's it's you got to look at guys when they were at their best and Fedor in Pride was one of the greatest of all time if not the greatest heavyweight ever yes yeah he was a monster I always wish he had that run I do too you him versus Brock Lesnar would have been [ __ ] insane it would have been [ __ ] insane him versus Kane Velasquez would have been [ __ ] insane when Kane was at the top Kane's another one there's

an argument when Kane was at his very best like when he beat Brock when when when Kane was just destroying everybody there's an argument that he's the greatest but his run was less because he was so tough that he broke his body he was just so mentally tough he just [ __ ] pushed so hard training yeah tore his knees his shoulder his back everything everything just started Giving out and then it got to a certain point in his life where he just like his body just didn't perform anymore yeah and that was it I

mean he had multiple surgeries he had a bunch of things wrong with him and he just couldn't train like he used to be be able to train anymore and that was it yeah yeah I remember that with a guy like that how how much of that is coach compared to him I mean ultimately he'll make the decision to train I believe and push himself but at What point you think coaches step in and say what's going it's hard to say because Kane is another one that was so stoic and he would never complain and the

also the training s heur yeah and the training S I mean him and DC were just going to war all the time and AKA was just this Tal Talent filled shark tank of a bunch of Assassins just beating the [ __ ] out of each other and just all iron sharpens iron and you're G to get banged up you're G to get banged Up in training you're G to get banged up in these fights against guys like you know these [ __ ] huge super athlete Fighters you're gonna get banged up yeah and but in

that time when he like when he beat minaro Jesus Christ this is this is like when you could see the levels of competition as they pull up um Kain Velasquez versus minaro cuz this in my opinion this is prime Cain Velasquez when he just seemed Unstoppable because he was a heavyweight but he had the Cardio of a welterweight yeah and he had speed and precision and he never was out of position everything he threw he just threw precise and perfect and Technical and he was so [ __ ] game and when you watch look at

these leg kicks I mean he was so [ __ ] smooth yeah everything he did was precise like the way he's throwing these combinations and head kicks and his defense is on point Kane was a monster man in his time and like in this time like this Cain Velasquez I Put this Cain Velasquez against anybody that's ever lived yeah and I would love to see it he was so [ __ ] good he was so good yeah and then he lost to Junior dos Santos but what a lot of people don't know is that was

like the first fight on Fox it was like this big big fight I remember that and Kane tore his knee before that fight his knee was [ __ ] up really look at this look at that combination boom boom boom boom boom that's Kane that was Kane at his Best that's the [ __ ] that's elite Kane he was a monster monster everybody's terrified of that guy he never got tired they called him cardio Kane never got tired yeah never got tired and he could just remember Arizona I want to say Arizona State where he

came out of Arizona State then went to AKA to begin his MMA career and just was a Monster yeah and was like nothing anybody ever seen you the guys would get this thousand yard stare in their eyes When they'd be in like the second round with him they just they couldn't believe they had four more rounds to go this is [ __ ] insane and that guy he's not breathing heavy no just just just [ __ ] marching you down beating your ass who who's next big heavyweight star Tom Aspen the guy who just won

the interim title he's phenomenal and he is again the next ad the the next advancement of the evolution of the sport uh how so well because he can do Everything that guy's got Elite jiujitsu he's got Elite takedowns his striking is outstanding I mean he knocked out Sergey who's the scariest [ __ ] striker in all of MMA and he knocked him out in the first round and and the way he did it was just picture perfect and he did it with a [ __ ] up back he [ __ ] his back up and

wasn't able to train for like like he [ __ ] his back up in one of the sessions when he was because he only got the fight call two weeks before the I Was just gonna say right like it's just he didn't even train he didn't even train he couldn't train his back was [ __ ] he couldn't train so he just went out there and fought he just said let me back let my back heel up I'm fit enough I'm in shape enough I'll do whatever I can do in training but he couldn't wrestle

yeah he couldn't you know couldn't do much sparring his back was [ __ ] up so he had to kind of let it heal as much as it could in like 10 days And then go out and fight the [ __ ] scariest guy ever yeah [ __ ] crazy did you call that I know I know you called it but did you call did you did you have no idea I had no idea both of those main events I had no idea it was like you couldn't Sergey could connect on anybody and put them

to sleep he just knocked out Derrick Lewis in one round knocked out Tai IAS in run round he was a monster and so you you watch Sergey and you go I don't know you watch Aspen like I knew aspino was gonna have a speed Advantage because he's faster than any heavyweight yeah and that's something that his coach drilled into him when he was young like be fast like you got to be fast that's what's going to separate you from everybody else speed kills speed yeah and he's a giant dude 260 plus pounds but he moves

like a fast young guy like a light guy and so that was that's what's and he's also just so well-rounded and he's just beginning Yeah I mean that was really the first big test of his career he had fought some good guys up until that fight that is the first guy where you were like boy every fight before that Aspen was a heavy favorite in my eyes and then that fight I was like woo I don't [ __ ] know I don't know what's going to happen here so for him to do that what he

did and to to perform that way under those situation in that in that circumstance where your F back is [ __ ] and you Can't really train incredibly impressive that's incredible man but I want angano back that's what I want that's the champion I mean dude that's the champion [ __ ] and that guy he relinquished his crown and what he did with Tyson Fury is probably one of the greatest performances in Combat Sports history ever right ever ever ever yeah to have that guy go over there with no one gave him any chance Terence

Crawford was hitting across Where where you are right now and he's like zero chance he's going to get knocked out zero chance and then when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round and then was battering him in the eighth and then at the 10th round at the end of the fight you're like I don't know I don't know what's going to [ __ ] happen I don't know who won and one judge saw it for him and one judge saw it for and the other two judges saw it for for Fury but it was

that close it Was that close where you and a lot of people are saying that this puts Tyson Fury's argument of being one of the greatest of all time of Jeopardy cuz now people are saying well hey man you got dropped and brought to a questionable decision by a guy with zero boxing matches yeah which is crazy yeah but that's the kind of freak that Francis is Francis is man he's a freak he's the freak of all freaks if if you're and you've seen Francis up close right yeah That's the thing and you so you

know the kind of freaky is if you're him and if you're his people what what's that what's his next move get as much money as you can of course this is what I think they should do put him in with a a heavyweight boxer that he can beat that has a good record like someone who's in the argument of like a top 10 and if Francis knocks that guy out then if they can try to coax Tyson Fury into a rematch that would be [ __ ] bananas And I think Saudi Arabia has enough money

to actually pull that off I think so too I think so too they might they might be able to [ __ ] bit Tyson in with some just [ __ ] lifechanging generational so here's the thing about Tyson who and who I love and respect I love that guy too there's two train of thoughts here it's either well I I don't actually need to fight him again right right there's that train of thought but then I wonder if it goes back to the the Champion mentality that you talked about is as a champion I need

to fight that guy it may be that he is certainly a champion and he's certainly one of the greatest of all time and I think he certainly underestimated Francis yeah and I I don't know he trained for Francis he said he trained as hard as any fight ever which is possible because he always looks that way he always like like Fedor he has like this very disarming body and he jokes around about It look at this [ __ ] Billy and he's he's a character I love the guy to death yeah I think if he

knows now what he's up against and he just boxes just boxes and with with a real understanding of the consequences of making a mistake I think it's probably a different fight if he doesn't engage and just uses that beautiful jab and movement and stay away from him and just does what he does when he's at his very best and one of the things you see from Tyson Fury is when He does have a rematch he performs so much better like the Deontay Wilder fight perfect example first fight down to the wire gets dropped in the

last round it's a draw second fight dominates third fight dominates and was put through adversity dropped I mean I think he dropped got dropped four times over the course of their three fights yes by the hardest [ __ ] one punch knockout artist ever ever man yeah deon's got lightning in his hands he just just Electrocutes people crazy man deont he's the greatest knockout artist ever if you look at his career it's like mostly Knockouts that's it right and also too I feel like tall so as you're tall your muscles get elongated as you know

and then it becomes deceptive it's a leverage thing too cuz he's got broad shoulders and insane speed so when he when he drops that hand on you it's just when he turns it over at the end with all that length and torque and leverage Yes he's like nobody like nobody he just stches people yeah I always go to the ls Ortiz fight when he cracked him in the head and Ortiz gets up and he's like what the [ __ ] he hit him in the forehead yeah hit him on the forehead and just shut the

lights out it's unbelievable yeah Deontay what Terry Atlas calls it Teddy Atlas calls it the Eraser he's like any mistakes that he has he just erases them with one shot and it's true like you can you can win every round With Deontay and you just zigg when you should have zagged and bl and he almost did it to Tyson Fury I was gonna say he did he almost did it if any other man it might have been the end but Tyson is just so game he's just such a [ __ ] Warrior he figured out

a way to get up and hold and he got dropped again he got back up again and then wound up stopping him after that that's right yeah and in an amazing glorious finish to the fight that cemented him is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time of all time I think really to get it back to really get that reputation back he should fight Francis I really think he should but he probably wants to fight usyk first unify the title and then if they come to him with just gigantic banana money just just cuckoo

for Coco Puffs like what how much yeah $200 million [ __ ] crazy like that he might just go all right and then what you know resources are there for that oh yeah They can do whatever the [ __ ] they want the they they got they got they got [ __ ] you [ __ ] you [ __ ] you money [ __ ] all of you money [ __ ] everyone money they got [ __ ] the Planet Money dude and I like that they're putting together that F I like that they put

together that fight and I like get that they're putting together a bunch of other fights they're trying to do a lot of crazy [ __ ] over there I love it good throw that money out there AB absolutely man I love it For the athletes because they're going to get paid love it for the athletes they get paid and that's why I think with Tyson it just feels like like just in here you know it's a fight that I I need just in terms of of as Champion but mentality yeah the champion that's in here

the Mana I I I need to do that again well right now it's got to be in his head I mean he's a sensitive guy I'm sure he's responded to all the criticisms probably eating him up Probably drives him nuts and I bet you'll see an entirely different Tyson Fury in this next fight in this next fight you will see a focused [ __ ] assassin but he's fighting the craftiest heavyweight maybe of all time yeah usyk is so slick he is I mean he's the guy who's trained by the same guy that lomachenko was

trained by so he's got just unbelievable movement his angles the way he boxes his [ __ ] faints and movement total Next Level yeah but he's Quite a bit smaller I mean he's really was a cruiserweight and then went up to heavyweight yeah so there's there's you know there's money in that fight and I would hope that the winner of that fight then fights Francis whether usyk would want to fight Francis who knows but if usk wins if he beatss Tyson Fury that's you know pretty incredible announced the date for the fight February 17th in

Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia going crazy yeah there you that's a very very Interesting fight yes and although usyk is smaller man that [ __ ] guy is so skilled yeah those Anthony Joshua fights were insane insane by the way Tyson is like 69 MH yeah and usyk is not that well is wearing shoes in there and Tyson is not Tyson is right after the fight and they're standing there okay okay so Tyson's quite a few but it's also his arms are longer just the reach and distance is such an advantage because you could hit a

guy where he Can't hit you yeah but we were talking about Mike Tyson earlier that Mike Tyson made his height an advantage because he would come in Bob and weave and you'd be like oh jeez where's this coming from this [ __ ] tornado coming at you with punches that just moved way faster than any heavyweight I was gonna say any other heavyweight with that kind of speed quickness yeah sure I I don't know I'm asking like do nobody right he's the fastest of all time I feel like he's the Fastest of all fastest of

all the only you can go to Ali with his hands Ali had hand speed see Ali there's there's Ali before the they forced him into retirement because he wouldn't fight in Vietnam that Ali if you go to like the Ali that fought Cleveland Big Cat Williams that Ali is one of the greatest of all time I mean the greatest [ __ ] heavyweight in terms of movement and he could move like sugar R Robinson but he was heavyweight tall and switching Stances and popping you with the jab and you couldn't touch him and he's standing

right in front of you with his hands down yes that Ali was a different Ali but then when they made him take three years off Ali really didn't train for those three years he didn't do anything so when he came back against Jerry Quarry all those years later he is physically he was like soft he didn't look the same like pull up Ali versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams so this is Ali Ali and this is Ali when there was never a heavyweight like him before there was no one like him and no one knew what

to do and Cleveland Big Cat Williams was a [ __ ] killer he was a bad [ __ ] like look how powerful he was serious knockout artist and Ali would just stand right in front of him and just start tuning him up and he just starts popping with the jab Hooks and Cleveland was just trying his best to close the Distance what's happening is it freezing no it's a it's a video breaking down the ho oh I see that it's not just a fight so it's it's doing stop motion while someone's explaining stuff look

at that hook jab to the body and then hook and he's nowhere to be found catches him with the hook coming in and then immediately off the ropes and out into the you just couldn't catch him incred man something special man and then Eventually he starts tuning Cleveland up and and drops him a couple of times he knew he this is the this is the end and then he stands over and with his hands up look at this b b and then the right hand bam I mean come on man nobody moved like him no

one dude but Tyson could you pull up a picture uh Dwayne Johnson mohhamad Ali I got to show you this picture dude oh yeah when did you meet Muhammad Ali when I was a kid oh wow in New Zealand I told you my dad was Sparring with him so here's a picture of me sitting on his lap do you remember what year this is would have been 77 look at that wow that cool man Ali and some little girl but that's me so dude how about this so when I started the the the nation the

turn the Heel Rock right that you saw earlier not a white thing not a black thing you know it's me it's a respect thing I started calling myself the people's Champion Just to piss people off like I'm your Champion I'm the people's champion and the rock is the people's Champion blah blah blah and we were wrestling down in Louisville Kentucky and Ali's family came to watch and his wife was there family was big group afterwards uh they were waiting to say hello now again I'm going out there I'm grabbing the microphone and the people's champ

says I'm just laying it all in so when I come back I say hello to the family his wife And I say hey I just want you to know I if you could let Muhammad know I I call myself the people's champion in a way to pay homage to him out of respect but I'm going around the country saying it and people are [ __ ] on me CU that's what you want as a heel and I said I told his wife so if you could please tell him if he doesn't want me to use

this because I know what this meant to him being the people's Champion uh I won't and dude She said he told me to tell you it's yours that was one message he told me to tell you tonight I was like I got emotional it was just incredible he was such an important cultural figure because he was the first Boxer a first like professional athlete of the highest regard who stood up and said the Vietnam more is wrong I'm not going to go fight some Viet Kong no Viet Kong ever did anything to me call me

I'm not going over there not doing it and they took Away his Liv hood and they did it for three years and when he came back he was a [ __ ] hero a cultural hero my parents who were hippies yeah made me W well didn't make me but we all watched his rematch with Leon Spinx cuz it was on TV and it's like that's how much he transcended boxing the World of Sports yes he was an important figure for like the beautiful qualities of human beings that this guy had character and stood up for

something that was more important Than Sports and told the world he used his platform to tell the world I'm not going to participate in this this is wrong yes and they took away his livelihood and when he came back he was a hero in a completely different way yes and when he fought Leon Spinx and he beat Leon Spinx everybody was like oh my God everyone was so happy it was like a just cuz when Leon beat him it was like no no way and then he had the rematch and he beat Leon and it

was like oh my God he won like the world was better you felt it yeah you felt it and there's a guy as you said who stood up and also the it's one thing if you stand up but it's another thing I stand up and the willingness to know I'm going to lose it all I can lose it all yeah and he did for that moment you know they tried to take it all away also what I thought about a lot when I was worried about brain damage he I thought about him a lot when

I was having headaches from These sparring sessions cuz he was already deteriorating by then you know this was you know after he fought Larry Holmes and which was a horrible fight to watch where Larry was just teing off on him and you knew that it was the end was there and he fought Trevor berbick and it's like God oh these are horrible fights to watch this guy who just needs a Payday and can't let it go and you know and he was our hero and now you're watching the worst cliche ending to a Great which

is a great Bo just getting beat up by the up anding guys was sad really it really like ruined Larry Holmes's career because people hated Larry after that and Larry was one of the greatest of all time greatest of all time man out of East Pennsylvania and assassin yeah he's an assassin yeah one of the best Jabs of all and just doing his job one of the best Jabs of all time and so not only were people hating him back then But T that Tyson was watching that fight remember and Tyson watched that and he

knocked out his hero he beat his hero and Tyson already made that promise I'm going to come back and I'm going to well there's a famous Mo moment where Ali comes up to Tyson before he fights Larry and he says get this [ __ ] from me like he said like yeah he just walks up get this dude for me wow and and Tyson is like already just so charged up just already I mean he was this was like A legacy making fight and when he knocked out Larry Holmes it was like everybody was like

oh my God no one's ever knocked knocked out Larry like that no dude that was crazy and he was a big heavyweight yeah yeah he was a big heavyweight here it is he comes up to him it's like look at this get this [ __ ] for me wow look at that look at the nod the light nod and look at Tyson fired up but I'll tell you something man Larry was Older then he was an older fighter you going to let it go sure Larry was an older fighter back then you know back then

it was this is 36 you know in the age of no testosterone replacement Larry had taken some time off and you know came back for this fight he was still very very good but Tyson was on another level it was he was just the new destroyer he was the new Sunny Liston he was the new Joe Lewis he was the new Jack Dempsey just something special and Combined also because of his um his trainer had Co all the videos of those guys so he watched all those guys and studied their movement cus and Jim Jacobs

who was his uh his manager uh Jim Jacobs who's a boxing historian but Mike Tyson was just something different man he was just something different and when he starts battering Larry and beating Larry up I mean it was just even in body language you could just tell yeah I mean it was just seek and destroy yes you Know and Larry any mistake that he made was met with hands that were moving far faster than any boxer he' ever faced before but Larry came out in this round and showed that jab this is round three yeah

this is where you see Larry like when Larry was like 25 he would have given anybody fits yes but then Mike cratches him boom and drops him and Larry's in like real trouble there and I remember watching this I was a kid I was like oh my God he's gonna get him I Can't believe he's gonna get him nobody liked Larry Holmes it was so so [ __ ] up he never got his just do and then Tyson catches him right here with his right hook boom like over the top of the head mhm and

then when gets up he's in real trouble and then Tyson closes the show yeah Larry he was so hurt it was so bad like right there that overhand right yes yeah I mean he's just [ __ ] you know it's coming and when Mike is coming at you the punches are coming so fast You can't anticipate what angle they're coming from boom and here's the right hand that comes here boom and then the second one boom that was it Al oh man that was the the Legacy making fight for Mike Tyson that was the one

where everybody is like God damn he might be the greatest ever and he still might be the greatest ever and I think Tyson in his prime damn I put him up against anybody than anybody that's ever Lived yes in his prime I mean you can't look at Tyson when he lost and Tyson later in his career I feel like you can only keep up that those RPMs when you're [ __ ] DE after it for so long before guys lose motivation they lose their body doesn't perform the same way anymore there too many wars whatever

it is but if you look at the Tyson when he was storing the gates when he was in his prime like no one ever and motivating too oh my God remember watching his Fights and just ready to [ __ ] run through a wall train anything I could do dude anything he just like what how is it possible that a person could be that proficient at something dude so at about the time when I was uh my first amateur wrestling days in high school and all that again as you're 15 16 you're you're looking for

a way what's my thing and you're just thinking about money like I want to make money and so I was kind of had a connection to boxing my old man Boxed we watch all the fights Tyson Michael Spinx 87 I think or 88 remember that yeah and I think that Spinx was Champion Spinx was uh he was the light heavyweight champion and then he beat Larry Holmes won the heavyweight title I think he had one version of the heavyweight title I think it was a unification fight is that correct it it was the one in

like 90 seconds yeah right and I remember and at that time mikee was coming up here it Is yeah this was I think Mike said that he fought this with a veneral disease is hilarious like gner or some [ __ ] ah don't we all but you know Spinx was just terrified going into this fight you you you saw that in their face off too you saw it it was just an execution I mean Tyson was just and Michael was really he just drops him to the body there Michael was really a light heavyweight I

mean he he blew up he put on some weight to make It up to heavyweight but he just never had the kind of power he was amazing light heavyweight but at heavyweight he just did not have the kind of power in here comes the bomb yeah and like a ghost [ __ ] punch it comes out of nowhere right just a [ __ ] ruthless right hand and that was it so dude so during this time in my life I'm thinking you know I got an idea amateur wrestling I don't I'm not driving with I

like pro wrestling my old Man has taught me how to box just a little bit that's what I should do wow I should box because at that time my eyes were on Michael Spinx and I used to think at that time even though I got a lot of respect for the game and I always think everybody's got a one punch chance right so I was like I know I bet you I could work my ass off and in two three years with the right coaching and discipline and training I could be up there and if

Michael Spinx is heavyweight champion I got a shot I think I got a dude now again I'm [ __ ] 15 right of course yeah I'm like I got a shot I see this fight and I went there's no [ __ ] way with Mike Tyson is Champion that my dreams of boxing and making money would ever come true where does it go it go getting executed like if everything goes well you get executed if all the training goes well and the discipline The road work you get executed dude yeah yeah there's levels well listen

brother it's been awesome to sit down and talk to you and you're you're an inspirational guy you really are you're you're a guy that just you're just a Workhorse man and you're such a [ __ ] ex expression of positive energy and in all of the things you do in life and I just appreciate you very much and I really really appreciate you coming on here a brother look I appreciate you Thank you and uh this has been years in the making man years in the making and it was really fun to get to hang

out together no camera no [ __ ] we just all got together and had a good time and worked out and it was fun it was fun I appr appreciate all you do all you are appreciate all you do appreciate the Brotherhood we'll do it again we'll do it again we'll do it again thank you bye everybody see you guys [Music] [Applause] [Music]