Matthieu Pageau: The Language of Renewal

Um I guess first of all could you just talk a little bit about um what your new book is going to be about okay uh well my new book is going to be about basically um the role of Eve in the Bible and which which is also the role of women in the Bible basically since she's the first woman she represents all women basically um so there's it's actually a pretty Deep concept that I don't think a lot of people uh [Music] grasp um there's feminists do grasp it on the left for sure I mean

it's it's not true that nobody's talking about this there's there's lots of people talking about it but um there's some element of subversion in that subject going on right now for a while so we we can't just ignore it see that's The thing what one of the thing that's been going on is that uh people who are who have the intention of Defending tradition and the church and um have a tendency of ignoring what's going on on that side of the political aisle let's say on the left so it's like just ignoring it or just

saying it's wacko you know just saying it's uh it's crazy it doesn't make any sense which is not true it doesn't make sense it makes Plenty of sense now that doesn't mean you have to uh go into that completely okay so that's the problem is as it's usually the same with all problems is you see part of of a a big picture you see just part of it and then you instead of putting it where it belongs in the place where it belongs in the universe you know you just you see it as the whole

the whole picture so that's usually what causes most Problems in this world is is somebody perceives some truth and then they they got they kind of fall in love with that part of reality and they sort of uh attribute everything to that part so that happens on both sides though that's the thing you see it happens on on both sides it's not necessarily always about politics I mean um it it goes into politics in the end it ends up in politics and it ends up in Morality too it ends up everywhere but Um these are

just symptoms of of you know of of beliefs of perspectives that people adopt so there there's truth to the feminist world viiew it's not it's not completely false but there it's also not completely true what certain right- Wingers tend to go towards it also has something times the same problem uh if you see your P your rightwing leaning perspective as being the whole thing and the other side is Being completely wrong completely wrong you know um it's it's the same error on both sides in a sense I'm not I'm not trying to be a a

Centrist here in fact I'm not at all a Centrist it kind of It kind of bugs me sometimes people who are think the solution is always just to kind of Snak yourself in the middle there always just I don't even know how to describe it I just I don't like that um but you don't have to be a cist to see That both sides have some reason for existing okay and with the left there's there's a a huge issue because well from what I'm seeing now when I'm what what I'm studying uh that side is

is very subtle okay so it's a kind of uh well I've talked about this before you know it's the um I think I said like then the the good stumbling Stone right I think that's how I how I described it and that is that is A good way to describe it so there's this there's a stumbling stone that kills you but we have to remember that too you know there's a stumbling stone that completely destroys you and your enemy also puts stumbling stones on your path you know it's not just obviously this is the part

that everyone should already know intuitively because you know we all have enemies we all have obstacles that are meant truly meant to stop us and to stop us from doing what We what we what we want to do uh I mean your enemy just doesn't just don't necessarily have to see it as evil good and evil or anything like that I mean you have competition you know you have different interests and if your interest goes against another person's interest then they're against you they're your enemy it's a you don't have to start saying this guy

is evil and I'm good it's sometimes it can be that but I mean it's Kind of a a little bit of a naive almost childish worldview there I mean I have enemies and I'm their enemy too they're my enemy I'm their enemy it's not it's not like just a one-sided thing but you you have to be in the reality that we have enemies that want to destroy us as well obviously but there's also another aspect to it which which is what I talked about I think the last time we spoke I mentioned a little the

idea that sometimes The Stumbling stones are good and sometimes they are there to help you when you're already going astray so let's say if you're making some errors you already made some errors or maybe even before you make errors you're going into a a path of error and then someone puts stumbling Stone before you so that you don't go in that direction okay so a big part of what what Eve represents is that that good stumbling Stone and uh Almost every female uh character in the Bible is actually an embodiment of that but it's not

always obvious at first glance this is something took me a long time to kind of figure out all the different ways in which you can represent that like that um pattern it's a big pattern it's not like a small thing it's about half the half the Bible is about that so it's not like a a small obscure thing that I'm trying to understand understand here it's it's Half our lives really and that's that's also why it it embodies itself into about half the population when it's it's all it becomes a political movement because it's not

something you could just ignore you know it's not something you could just say oh this is evil and we got to destroy it or something like that and same thing on the other side I mean obviously uh but it also doesn't mean we have to go wholeheartedly into that direction all the time obviously Like I said before it can be a trap often is a trap so it's like we need caution we need to understand and this is why I'm I'm doing this because we have to have the discernment to know what is a good

stumbling Stone and what is a best um what is truly a adversarial uh attack you know and so in order to do that you have to really understand this this pattern and it creates an entire language this is what I'm doing I don't know what I'm going to Call my my book yet um but right now in my mind I'm calling it um kind of to mirror my my first book I'm calling it the language of renewal okay so the first one is a language of creation this one is a language of renewal so but

I'm not not necessarily going to call my book that I'm just this is what my working title is you know my concept is so I've been doing this for a long time now years actually I started this about five six years even I I've started doing This but I got to be honest it's only recently that I've had some breakthroughs you know I had this winter I had some major struggles um and that kind of taught me a lot of lessons about what I was trying to understand you know there some some some things sometimes

you only understand when you're in uh suffering you know it's like there's this thing you can't understand and then the only way understand it is through a kind of suffering because the reason you Don't understand in the first place is because you neglect it or you ignore it or you it's completely outside of your sphere of what you're interested in and what you're looking at and then so obviously when it's a situation like that then the only time you can see these things is when you're in pain because because of the fact that you ignored

it and it kind of attacks you it's actually a microcosm of what's happening to our society right now Actually I think in a sense certain things have been ignored in the past um as if they were just evil you know just evil so when you do that this is what happens at one point this this thing that you're ignoring and that you shouldn't completely ignore because it's part of reality this thing is going to come and really bite you you know until you have you're almost in the submission mode you know you're almost in uh

like desperate mode you know that Where you have to acknowledge this this thing it's kind of this kind of happened to me this winter um so this winter I had a lot of I understood a lot of things uh and recently is when I really started to have a huge breakthroughs with this this what I was trying to understand because I realized at one point I don't know exactly what made me realize it but um I think I had maybe a few dreams and uh in my dreams I saw there Was some patterns that were

related to what was happening to me in real life and uh then I realize um that what I was looking for was already existed so it's like I'm trying to not create but ReDiscover this thing I was calling the language of renewal then I realized that's what dreams are so it's like I was already it already exists when I'm looking for that this language it's it's called dreams so the the dreams Express themselves in this language that I'm Trying to learn or trying to ReDiscover so it seems obvious to me now you know once you

find it's often like that once you find something it's like you find it's obvious I don't know why I didn't see it before because when we sleep is when we we get renewed so it's it's an obvious thing now to me now uh so this dreaming is the expression of what's going on during the renewal so it's like a a language that talks about with happening during this renewal process so It's it's the language of renewal um I wish I would have realized this a long time ago but maybe I had to understand a few

things before that um so that's what I'm doing now so I I I had my own dreams I started writing my dreams down which is what something I didn't do before there's a few dreams that I remember from childhood but that were really um I guess uh memorable to me you know but um I had a few Maybe one or two but then I started this is when I started writing My dreams down and then I started definitely seeing some some patterns there uh I kind of already knew some of it because I wrote it

in my first book I wrote a chapter about dreams and I already understood the basic General concept but there's a lot to talk about um I had a glimpse of it when I wrote my book but now that this now I'm going to specialize what I'm talking about with this um so then I realized I had to ask people For dreams because I re I I started having doubts about my what I was doing because I was saying because I really understood my own dreams at that point it took me a while it took me

about a year though to really understand what my dreams were about and then I started having doubts you know about um is it just my dreams you know is it just me that have these dream dreams that are expressing these these things so I had to ask around you Know I had so I ask a few people I know for dreams and they gave me dreams and a a few you know and they fit completely fit what I was doing I understood the dreams this is the thing I have to say too uh dreams is

something you can't you don't usually understand right away so there's something about it even there's there's so much something about this what I'm saying here is that if someone tells me a dream verbally you know I have trouble listening to it like I Listen to it but my mind doesn't register for some reason now I have this experience many times that's why I could I could describe it but I almost always have to ask the person three maybe four times to tell the dream again because my mind doesn't listen it's like the person is telling

me their dream and I'm I think I'm listening you know and then I realized that I missed I missed some of it because my mind doesn't want to hear it or it's a strange thing I don't I Don't know exactly why it's like that but um but now I've learned to now that I've been doing this for a few years I I'm able to listen right away still a little bit hard but um but now now I I I think I really figured out what I was looking for because now when I see a dream

I know immediately I see it immediately what it what it's about but it took me a really long time and I had so I had about I asked on Twitter for some dreams at one point and that was Really when it started unfolding everything started unfolding because then I had like about maybe 300 dreams to work with and this is really helpful for me because I could compare could compare different dreams and that that was really a real breakthrough for me because you know sometimes the dream you don't understand what it means at first but

then whoops you see another one and You're like oh these two are clearly they're not at the same but they following the same pattern for some reason and you don't quite know what it is but then once you have at least two it creates something in your mind like you see a pattern even though you don't understand all the parts of it and then maybe you see a third one and a fourth one and then it starts to you start to see that this is not arbitrary you know it's following a certain pattern so this

Was really helpful for me so basically I've been spending the last months just cycling through these 300 dreams like just cycling through them every time finding new things you know uh also part of the process was to summarize the dreams so I had to summarize them because because there's lots of details you know like everything there's details that you don't necessarily want to put to to memory or try to understand so you can I Summarize I try to make about one sentence or dream but I still keep the detailed versions obviously but for my memory

it's good too because now I almost know them by heart you know just a sentence that describes each one so that was helpful too so I I did this work for a long time now and uh just recently I I really had some major major major breakthroughs and now I I think I'm done like I think I figured out everything I needed to understand of Course there's still things that I could understand but I I understand the everything that's not a detail let's say it like that I understand the pattern so that's what I've been

doing now I mean we could we could talk about it but we'll see so yeah that's right I'm answering your question basically because I don't want to give away every you know what I've been working out for so long just give it away like that um So and kind of being careful I don't want to talk too much but I could still talk about it so um can you just give an overview of what the feminine and masculine are okay um what they are okay well right now I'm I'm studying I'm not really studying feminine

as a whole I'm studying a certain aspect okay but because the other aspect is it's not Hard to understand so that that's like I'm going to start talking like a feminist here but um there's a male Centric you know male Centric definition of male and there's a male Centric definition of of female then you can say there's a female Centric definition of female and a female Centric definition of male you can see like that because I think it's correct to see it like that I don't think it's an exaggeration but um Because you know I

can tell you what you are right but it's not always Pleasant to have someone else tell us what we are it's fine to accept some of that you know you can tell me what I am a little bit but don't go too far because I also I'm allowed to exist on my own you know I'm also allowed to Define myself in a way you know it's it's it doesn't have to be extremes it doesn't have to be I I either let you define me completely or I Define myself completely it's just Ridiculous it's two things

you know some of some of it is some someone imposing meaning on me and some of it is me trying to make my own meaning so that's kind of what happens here um so I mean I talked about this in my book I can I can repeat it um in one sense it's the male perspective I think I described it as imposing meaning on nature or we can replace Nature by just Reality basically it doesn't have to be nature but nature is the what's there already before we intervene in it so that's it's okay to

say nature too because it includes everything then but so imposing meaning on nature and this is why Adam names the animals that's what it means it's pretty pretty obvious once you start understanding these things um so in that sense we could say that the male is responsible for civilization Okay in that sense in the sense that that's what civilization is imposing meaning on reality and also what we can say that work um the concept of just work is goes with the masculine side okay because that's what work is work is imposing your will upon reality

and making something out of what's there from your plan that you have from your idea um so that's the masculine that's how I understand it I think that's what It is in the Bible but it's more complicated than that because see well we can get to that later but um that doesn't mean every man in the Bible is fits that definition because of what I said before some men that are masculine still in the Bible that are male are um are doing the are working for Eve let's say it like that they're they're doing the

job of Eve like they're male feminists you know but it doesn't have to be a bad thing you know See that's the thing right Wingers should be careful you know if you there's things in reality that if you ignore they're going to come and attack you you got to you have to not fall for the whole thing but not reject the whole thing either okay so an example of a male feem male feminist I'm going to start saying that ironically but it's Joseph okay Joseph is an example he's uh he's male obviously Joseph he not

a woman but He he he does the pattern of what Eve does like he's he's a messenger of that pattern he's embodying that pattern so that's what I was saying before so um you just have to understand that male as male and then male in the as working for Eve so that's how you do it and then you could you could do the the opposite too you could say someone could be female and working for Adam in the sense that she is doing This job of imposing meaning on reality or letting meaning being imposed participating

in that that you're working for Adam we can say it like that I'm making these terms up here because I don't know what else to say um so okay so but in the female side if we look at the perspective of Eve and this is what I'm working on that aspect so I'm I'm I'm disguising myself as a left Winger basically I kind of am in a way I mean look at me I look like a I look like a hippy so I I'm not I'm not completely in foreign territory but um I don't want

the fight see I don't want the the left and the right to be fighting we're supposed to be a couple you know left and right is a couple is it's not supposed to be mortal enemies like two countries against each other that's a different story it's supposed to be men and women go together so it's obvious what I'm saying here but there it's there's a We're being attacked right now so we have to say we have to restate obvious things right so um so yeah so the the female role that is on her own that

is his her own thing that she does not when she's listening to Adam is called the renewal okay um we could call it something else but that's what I'm calling it because I don't know what else to call it so it's death and renewal okay so that's the role of Eve so it's related to sleep so Adam is related to work which is imposing meaning on reality having a plan and then building things up towards that plan so it's symbolized by a pyramid um a standing something standing right because that's what you do when you

accumulate things toward a goal you make them serve the goal you you're building a pyramid basically so and the other one um is related to sleep so falling asleep is is what Eve represents okay she that's Her job okay but so see when it says down with things like feminist stuff like down with the patriarchy and things like that okay down with the patriarchy that's what happens when I fall asleep every day down with the patriarchy so what I'm not even it's not even a metaphor here this is you know when I'm standing up during

the day and I'm working that's the patriarchy right that's my mind imposing on my body what to do you do this my Body is like okay doesn't really have a choice right but it has some somewhat of a choice it's not true um but then what happens every night my my mind kind of loses go I go crazy you know I go I start getting get a little bit confused about things you know depending on how late it is and uh you know I lose focus um my body becomes weak it's almost a sickness right

it's like a sickness being tired is a sickness and I think this is I'm going to talk about this my My book in detail but it's the Prototype of um being sick okay you're you get sick when you fall asleep basically it's like you're you're intoxicated you're poisoned so I'm not a like a doctor obviously or anything like that but I'm I think that that's literally what it is when we fall asleep there must be some kind of toxin inside our body that's released maybe they don't call it a toxin maybe if this exists in

the medical world that I don't really know Because I don't I'm not really interested in these these things I'm interested in uh healing but not necessarily the way it's it's done today by modern science but they probably don't call it a toxin this substance that makes you fall asleep but I see it as a toxin it's like you're you're stuck you're you're bitten by a snake inside your body okay and then this makes it's like you're intoxicated you're yeah you lose your vision you lose your Orientation you lose your sense of time you lose Consciousness

you're paralyzed you're it's like you're dead you it's like you're you've been bit by a snake or a scorpion right um so this is um the role of Eve to do this thing right here it's a it's it's very strange because it looks like it's an enemy right I get you know I'm working all day making everything work making everything Follow my will you know like this thing goes here I'm building something you know this thing goes here I'm telling material reality where it's going to go what it's going to do including my body I'm

telling my body my hand I'm telling my hand grab this brick put it there you know and then but this thing has a limit at one point I get tired I fall asleep and I'm defenseless and paralyzed you know and then I go into this illusionary world see I fall into Myself and then I'm trapped into a world of um isolation Okay darkness and isolation and then what happens uh my eyes open but it's like inner eyes right eyes that are looking inward um and then I'm in this other world of Illusions it's like a

it's like a temporary world right because things don't accumulate in that world you know when I when I work I get up the next morning my my stuff that I did is still there you know that in that Sense it's a world of accumulation that's why it's a pyramid too it's things don't just disappear it's a it's a world of relative permanence right but then the Sleep world is a world of relative impermanence so you can have recurring dreams but every time it starts over you know it's things you do in the dream world and

then when you wake up it's completely gone and you're probably not going to see that again in a dream so it's a world of impermanence And it's like an illusionary world so this is what Eve does so it's it's this is a very iffy subject but I'm going to do it I don't care so Eve creates a world of Illusions so one might even say lies right that's what Illusions are and then in order to renew fix something heal something because when we retied it's like we're sick this is this is important to understand I

don't think a lot of people Make this connection but it's obvious it's like you're sick you're falling asleep you're it's like you're dying so but this this sleep is done for the purpose of healing you so this is this meaning the real meaning of the snake that heals the snake is is what I'm saying here you get stung by a snake and you it makes you fall in order to heal you okay and that not to be confused with the other snake that wants to kill you That's the thing always have to remember both because

it's easy to then become completely ridiculous and fall into this oh anytime I'm get poisoned it's good no it's not good sometimes sometimes someone is trying to kill you like that's what the story of Samson and Delilah means right she is not a good woman she is the enemy but she this is how why this subject is is iffy and difficult because of course she's going to pretend she's the good woman see it's You can't know easily what the difference because if the good woman poisons you in order to heal you that's an easy end

for the bad your the enemy that pretends to be your friend in order to kill you easily right so Delight eyes she looks like a good woman you know she has him sleep on her lap you see that's why she's doing that because whoever wrote that story understands deeply what I'm talking about here she's making him Sleep now he trusts her big mistake she was an enemy and then he she tries to bind him we all know the story and then she tries to get him killed basically captured by the enemy so he becomes a

prisoner um so yeah so you can see how this subject is very uh it's not an easy one because people today have a tendency of doing this thing where it's it's all or nothing it's always All or Nothing calm down you can just understand some aspect And you don't have to go nuts in that direction you know you don't have to start bowing before your enemy now because you understand this this this idea that sometimes your enem is good you know know you don't you don't have to start hurting yourself you know or all these

these Madness these are all due to people seeing a truth because it's kind of an esoteric truth what I'm talking about because why is it esoteric let's because Sleep is not a public thing it's a private thing it's a secret thing it's by definition secret you go in your dream world nobody knows about it it's you it's secret it's it's by definition so so the the whole idea of the occult comes from this okay comes from the um the analogies of the Sleep World which is a secret place that you go um and a lot

of occult powers are are Perversions of this by the way so I don't know maybe it's not a good idea to get into this but um I could just mention at least uh a lot of the occult is a perversion of sleep so it's either taking this power of sleep um which is supposed to be for healing and renewal and then using that energy of renewal for something else some purpose that's not renewal some purpose that is usually adversarial okay so ult powers and sleep very Related it's it's is the same energy but it's used

for different reasons you see um and yeah people who can't people who can't sleep usually um who can't rest like I think we it was with you we talked about this right vampires if I recall yeah so vampire is an example someone who can't sleep and then the occult powers of the vampire Actually come from the fact that he can't sleep and this is kind of weird what I'm saying but the powers of sleep instead of using them for Sleep he's using them for other purposes okay so and then for him to renew himself he

has to get that somewhere else which is symbolized by the blood of a of an innocent person that doesn't know what's what's happening right um and white blood by the way I don't know if I mentioned this Last time because blood is is about renewal blood is the liquid of renewal so you get injured quite literally everything I say by the way is almost always quite literally that's the thing that we got to be careful when we talk about symbolism because it can easily go into this metaphorical world of I'm not interested in that I'm

interested in the literal stuff but there's a kind of a literal that you can expand expand on it and then just generalize from that Right so so for example everything I said about sleep at the individual level you can apply it to a civilization you know a civilization also sleeps civilization also works so in that sense it's not like a metaphor or the negative side of what I you know there's a part of symbolism that's just not interesting to me it's like just random associations you know um again symbolism a bad name Actually um you're

not supposed to assign meaning to things you're supposed to Find the meaning of the thing you see and then understand all the implications of that it's not the same so if you ask me for example what's the meaning of a cup I've been thinking a lot about that recently so like the Grail what's the Grail you know and it's it's in a lot of stories too So so you're not supposed to impose meaning upon this object okay in some philosophical way you're supposed to understand what a cup is you know so what's a cup a

cup is a vessel of refreshment something like that it's a vessel that you use to refresh yourself now if I just say that it sounds not profound but that's just because most people don't know what the importance of is of refreshment see so if you think this thing called Refreshment is not important then if I say the gril is a vessel of refreshment then it's going to look like I'm not saying anything important obviously right so this is why sometimes people go off uh with metaphors and stuff oh I don't even know what I would

want to give an example of bad symbolism but I don't know I don't even know I I can't my mind doesn't hates so much these kinds of uh this kind of symbolism that I can't even Pretend to do it so I don't know the the Grail is well like like in Da Vinci's Code there you go here that's see I didn't even have to make it up that's it feels I feel better now uh so it's the Grail is uh represents the Royal Blood the Royal lineage okay really why you know why because it holds

the blood is that the reason because other cups that are also in ancient stories and even in the Bible don't have blood in them so why is it That it's not sorry but it is about blood though because blood is is a renewal is a liquid of refreshment of renewal so it does work and usually it's wine in the water but the idea is if you understand the concept of renewal and refreshment then you understand what the Grail is if you don't you don't so um and it's like it's part of the symbolism I'm talking

about here so actually if some if you want to understand for example what's the grill I could say you find the grill when you go to sleep see that would be more meaningful than all the crap that's being said out there because when you fall asleep you get renewed so falling asleep is the gril I could say that too okay and this is why in the stories when they go looking for the Grail they always end up in Exile losing control Going Back To Nature not being in control of things and like losing losing their

Direction And not knowing what they're doing losing even their quest to find the Grail you see CU that's what happens when you fall asleep see you think you're going on a quest for the Grail it's like you think when you sleep you think you're going to work your mind thinks with a narrative of work most of the time I'm doing something I'm going somewhere and specifically right I've got this goal this plan that I'm working towards that's our mind is used to Thinking more like that okay when you fall asleep what happens this Narrative of

working gets twisted and falls apart okay and you lose everything that's you usually your narrative usually functions on okay until you completely have no more purpose and you you lose completely your your sense of working that now you're in rest okay so now you found the Grail and now you get renewed and now you get back up now you're back again you return to Nature this is one way to see it finding the grill is returning to nature because nature renews that's why because going to Nature means you stop controlling you stop working okay when

you're awake you control your body if you want to renew what do you do you you let go of your you lose control of your body your mind doesn't tell your body what to do anymore you're Going Back To Nature your body is now Belongs To Nature when you're sleeping we can say It like that and then that's when the renewal happens now this is a complicated subject I I won't I won't get into that here um why why does why does it renew when we lose control and when we go back to Nature this

this is something I'm going to keep for my my book um it's the answer also to why why why there's there's Exile why sometimes people go into Exile it's the same uh reason um so Yeah so that's the feminine right the feminine is so that was your original question sorry for the parenthesis within parentheses within parenthesis but uh that's how my mind works so um yeah so it's like the Grail the eve her her purpose is is like the Grail okay it's about renewal it's about making Adam lose control putting him into a world of

Illusions um putting it him into what I now call a holding pattern okay so It's I don't know how to say better than holding pattern you're you're in a pattern of not doing anything so either you're turning in circles or you're U you're waiting for something you're stuck you know you're stuck in mud something like that um until you're renewed and then you you can your let go and then you're back to normal again so so yeah like I was saying it's an iffy subject and even in the Bible so I know That I'm right

because the all the stories in the Bible could could I confirm what I what I'm thinking now now that I understand this language enough I see clearly that all the stories in the Bible are about that and they're often weird stories that we kind of don't like because we we interpret the Bible more morally with a moral uh we think there's like always a little moral uh conclusion to it but it's not about that really okay that Doesn't take away morality though but it's not that so when we see um Rebecca doing things like tricking

her husband disguising her second son into her first son in order for the second one to get the blessing she's putting him into a world of Illusion you see and see when it says that Isaac was blind okay why is he blind because that's what happens when you fall asleep you go blind see it's Just an example of when you start to understand these pattern you start to understand this these stories they're not that hard to understand it's only they look weird because we don't we we neglect this whole side of reality which is sleeping

we neglect it it's like it's not important we don't think about it and uh if we did think about it which is what I'm doing so um we would see these patterns is not weird so in the Bible there's a few of These holding patterns someone wants to do something he's he's being held so it's like there's in a distraction it's usually written in a way where it's repeated again and again and again it's like you're doing you want to do something no no no don't go stay he stays another day okay he wants to

go no don't go stay this is called a holding pattern it's an it's a in the Bible the the most obvious holding pattern is the one I'm describing uh It's in the the Book of Judges uh near the end there uh and it's what it's the levite I think and the the this like his horror wife and then he wants to go and then the father keeps them there for many days just it's like when you don't know this you're like what is this talking why is this in this story what is this but now

to me it's I understand it now it's it's not weird at all it's something that we all go through every day when we fall asleep Okay it's a holding pattern now I I looked at like I said hundreds of dreams so now I'm really really confident that this is the pattern like one of the one of the parts of the dream is called the holding pattern which what I call the holding pattern and it's very clear when you when you know this you you see it it's like you see in the dream oh this is

the holding pattern okay there you go it looks weird but it's not that weird um maybe I could give you an example of A what I call a holding pattern okay here's an example here's an example um there's lots of in dreams there's lots of airport scenes like people who are in an airport and I never would have guessed this before I looked at a bunch of dreams but now I know because I I saw it but it's like people are in the airport okay why it's like the reason is that's what that's a holding

pattern when you're in an airport okay and it's particularly good symbol for sleeping Because um well like what I said before dreams are about is they're just a narrative of falling asleep okay that's important just a narrative of falling asleep and waking up but there's so many ways to express that there's many many ways and sometimes I'm amazed like every time I get a new dream I'm like wow this is it's like beautiful I don't know what part of us makes these dreams but it's a really clever it's like really smart to put all these

these things together to Make a narrative that's it looks doesn't look coherent but it's actually always quite Goering when you know what it's talking about if you don't know what it's talking about it looks random but it's not so so in a in an airport it's a good symbol of sleeping because yeah you land on a plane that's falling asleep you wait at the airport that's the holding pattern and then you catch your next plane that's getting up getting back out Okay so that's just one example okay but I just want to give an example

of a holding pattern so that's one waiting at waiting at an airport after you landed from one plane and waiting for the next that's a holding pattern when you're at the airport so lots of dreams happen at airports but there's there just one among many possible okay I'll give you another example an easy one um there's lots of dreams to to in jail prison because it's a holding pattern Okay so you're in prison it's just a representation of sleeping because when you fall asleep you're paralyzed you're stuck in this little world isol of isolation and

you you're stuck there until you are rehabilitated you know like a prison and you just got to stay there you know that's what prison is right you go there you're stuck in this little tiny little cell this little world which Which in when you dream is is a representation of you're stuck in your body you're stuck in your little cell and you're not interacting much with others you know like when you sleep you're not interacting you're you're talking to yourself mostly you know uh until you can just leave now you're rehabilitated see same it's the

same pattern uh and there's lots of gyms in prison uh another example I'm just going to give a couple examples here um Uh lots of dreams are in hospitals for the same reason because you're in a hospital why when you're in a hospital usually it's because obviously because you're sick which is what happens when you fall asleep it's a it's a kind of a sickness it's analogous you're you're weak you're losing control of yourself you're sick basically you fall asleep okay that's like going into the hospital going into the waiting room or something like that

to to see your doctor okay You're just waiting there um and then the thing is just the waiting is where you get healed see so it kind of like in prison you're being rehabilitated by just being in prison and waiting so same thing in the hospital basically you wait I mean um so there's lots of dreams in hospitals because again these are good representations of what's happening during this sleep so could give a lot of examples but I think that's enough for For that pattern there um so I used to when I saw this in

in dreams I used to think it was totally random you know when I saw his dream like oh airport that's such a boring dream too you know I was like why what is this dream about airports but now after looking at a few of them you know I started to figure out what it meant so these are just examples but yeah um could you talk a bit about uh Mary as it relates to like the role of the feminine I'm not gonna talk about Mary okay I don't talk about Christianity and it's not because I'm

not a Christian or because I don't like Christianity it's actually the opposite [Music] um Christianity is the highest level of of it okay and um I think we've lost the ancient worldview I've said this Before but I'll say it again we've lost it okay and it's many reasons for it why we lost it uh I mean I don't necessarily want to go into it um but it's usually about we we tried to integrate certain things that we couldn't or that we shouldn't have such as materialism but there's other things uh that we tried to integrate

thinking that we could and when I say we I inan Christianity the Christian Civilization we thought we could absorb certain things and then make them our members of us like members of make them into things that follow the Christian principle which is Christ obviously um maybe at first it looked like it was working kind of like if you e a poison fruit you might not realize right away that you're sick going to take a little time you know maybe an hour later you'll you'll start feeling weird you know but For that hour there after you

eaten the poison fruit maybe you think you're you know you're on top of it I just ate this poison fruit no no problem you know I'm still okay no no worries then an hour later or two hours later then whoops you know and why am I dizzy why am I hallucinating you know why am I falling asleep yeah you see it's all Rel this is related to the subject in question but um yeah because you ate something that you weren't supposed to or you tried to Integrate something into yourself that that does did not okay

now and then later you you got sick and then parts of your body were not serving Christ anymore but we're serving something else and they were in your body and you thought it was the body of Christ but it wasn't it was something else something else like when you eat poison you eat a you eat something toxic you want to make it part of you your body but it rejects it doesn't follow You what your mind tells it to do it follows some other weird thing that you don't know necessarily what it is uh and

then you lose control of your body you know you fall um you get crazy yeah your mind you lose it you know because when you when you eat something poisonous you hallucinate you know you you even if you just drink by the way it doesn't take much just drink some water with some salt in it I I'm not actually suggesting This by way don't do it but you know drink some water just a little bit of salt water you you'll hallucinate I mean if we it doesn't take much to make us go crazy you know

you think you're drinking from a a clean stream but actually it's it's uh stream that comes from salt water and you taste it tastes fine doesn't taste salty or anything like that it looks clean you drink it and then 10 hours later you're seeing things You know this is real it's so it doesn't take that much to go crazy so you got to be careful what you eat you got to be careful what you what you integrate um now the thing is I I think Christ can integrate everything but that doesn't mean you have to

it's not I don't think it's see that's the thing okay it's not because something's possible that you can always do it um now you know there's some things that Only later you you should do this is just I mean I'm I'm saying Common Sense stuff here I mean when you build anything you got to start with Foundation then then at the end you reach some some other point of the construction you don't and then when you're at the construction you you can't touch the foundations anymore you know it's there's an order to things and so

that doesn't mean everything can't be integrated by Christ but I think there the mistakes were made at one point and I think things were in attempted to be integrated and then it took a a few uh centuries maybe even and then the poison that that was eaten started taking over and then this poison put itself above the other thing and then the other thing was lost because of it so I don't want to get too much detail here but that's I'm just describing generally how I see things now uh so what do we have to

do We have to go back a little we have to do what Eve eve it's Eve's job to do I think to fix this these problems she has it has to go back go back you know before we could go forward a little bit and then this is like for example if you eat poison fruit how do you how do you what do you do you have to vomit it's it's crude but you get the poison out you vomit and now you're okay okay good it wasn't that hard right just Get rid of it the

more you the longer it takes you to vomit though the more trouble you're going to be in right um so now I think it's been a while maybe we should have vomited a while ago we didn't so now it's going to be hard I don't know what else to say um yeah so um there's lots of examples of what I'm the patterns I'm talking about in the Bible um well we we spoke about last time I Think we spoke about one of the examples which is Tamar the story of Tamar it's a clear example of

what I'm talking about here a mistake was made by Judah he tried to marry a woman a strange woman foreign woman [Music] um uh and then see this is a good example very good example because what he tried to integrate at that time he was not able to but that doesn't mean later he would he wouldn't be able to And he was okay because U this this actually interesting um the woman that Judah tried to take as his wife was called um sh the daughter of shua okay so it's batua and so this he wasn't

able to at that time and because of that Tamar had to do her world of Illusions had to put him into a world of uh illusion a sleep illusion in order to retract what he had done okay and then start over Okay um and this is the sleeping pattern that She did on him okay so she she made him go in circles come back on him on himself um and later when does this happen that the daughter of shua is integrated later um this is be Sheba okay that's who she is because it's I'm not

making this up to um in the Bible um B Sheba the wife of uh David um she's also called batua so I think it's in the book of Chronicles they call her instead of B Sheba they call her batua it's very Close those two words words because you know in Hebrew is well I mean there's a letter called VAV and there's a letter called Beth and so Beth is V or b sometimes V sometimes B depending and then the other letter called VAV is sometimes V also sometimes W sometimes like a o sound like a

vow okay so that's what we have herea and that she it's just the B that's replaced by the other letter okay but it's the same sound it's it's the People who wrote this knew what they were doing okay this is not a coincidence so like I said in the book of Chronicles B Sheba is called batua so she's called the daughter of shua because they want us to understand what's going on here they want us to understand whoever wrote this or put put that Tech those text together uh wanted us to know that um Judah

back then tried to integrate B Sheba she was called batua and he Failed but then only later was he able to integrate her and she gave birth to Solomon and by through David okay so long long story I I could get into it here maybe one day for sure I'm going to explain all these things but for now I think that's an interesting point kind of what I parallel to what I was saying before it's not because you can't integrate something now that you can't integrate it later and that's extremely important to understand uh it's

not all Or nothing some things can happen in between and make it possible for you to integrate um certain things or certain process can happen things can change um you can reach a certain point in your development where now you can handle it now I now I can integrate boua you know before I couldn't now I can so by the way since we talked about last time maybe I can I can add something to that interpretation of that um Tamar story it's it's one of my favorite Stories because it's it's Rel to the subject I'm

talking about here with Eve and everything so um she okay in the story she tricks him she tricks Judah she she disguised herself as a prostitute right um in order to trick Judah into having a child with her basically okay um yeah that's part of the illusion world that I was talking about before she puts him into a world of Illusion and then um it says yeah we talked about this last time she he didn't have anything to pay okay for the services you know prostitution services and so he left her his staff his signate

ring and his Cordon it says in the story okay so this by the way is important because it's a it's a good symbolis it's a good representation of the the concept of Credit buying by credit it's a very important Concept in the Bible I don't think a lot of people understand all the implication of this this credit thing I wish we should because we're in trouble now because of it our society as a whole because of the credit thing if we only understood this we could have avoided some problems that we're going to go through

now but um see he he was able to buy the services On credit right on um because he didn't have what it took to pay for it then so but that's part of her trick but it it doesn't matter the situation is the same so the idea with credit is um what are you exchanging for the services if you can't pay for it and the answer is your identity okay so when you borrow on credit when you borrow money and you pay for something on credit you're paying with your Identity okay your reputation it's a

big deal so thinking that you're getting it for free is foolish you know you're not getting it for free you're putting at stake your reputation which is the only the most important thing you have it's like your soul or something so I'm putting as collateral my name my identity and here it was to to to sleep with a prostitute so it's like they'll wear the lowest possible thing you know um and that's the danger of credit it's That it's like a trap you know you think you're getting something but it you think you're getting something

but it's not really yours in exchange you you you put your identity was put hostage okay and then until you pay you repay the debt um you belong to the Creditor basically you're you're like at a deep a deep level your reputation your identity your soul belongs to the credit the Creditor okay so but in this case it's good Because she was an example of the good stumbling Stone she was an example of the of the E pattern that I'm describing here she was doing it for his own good you know but that's not always

the case obviously it's rare very it's a very rare rare thing so um regarding that symbolism um I'm trying to see make myself talk about the tree of the knowledge of good and bad or not or um okay I'll say something else first um In that story we I mentioned this in my book too the Crimson thread okay this is very interesting symbolism it's very let's say powerful there's lots of information containing that little symbolism there Crimson thread um see in the story it says like I said before uh she gets his staff his signant

ring and his thread what is that thread so obviously it seems important in the story because why why would it mention this thing we we understand Signet ring And staff not hard to understand I mean this the sign ring is just your your name basically right that's what it is you put your name it's somebody could Forge stuff with your signate ring if if they have it so it's like they have you it's like they have your name they can do things in your name now and you're going to be responsible for it so it's

a big deal um and the staff represents his lineage okay in that story because that's what a staff is It's a branch of a tree it represents your lineage he's a like Judah is a St is is one of the staff of Jacob Israel he's one of the tribes tribes means staff and in Hebrew tribes is a staff so because it's a branch of a tree it's all about a tree growing it's a lineage so he gives her his Branch basically his lineage and that's literally what happens too because then his lineage belongs to her

because she his kids die and then she gets new kids out of her It's like he gave her the lineage of Judah it's a b big deal okay but what's this thread so this is something I didn't know before and I talked to someone uh recently that I um I just met uh randomly on the internet and he he I asked him what is this thread you know somebody who knows more about these Traditions than me you know because there's some of some of it in the Bible is historical stuff that if you don't know

you don't know what are You going to do I mean so I asked what is this thread and it's interesting what he said was said the thread is um it's the it's a blue thread it's called the blue thread okay and this is the thread that they put on their garments the corners of the garments okay um and it's also something else that I didn't know this is the part I didn't know before uh it's like a seal okay it's like a thread a blue thread that you use as a seal to make sure Something

wasn't tampered with so for example I it's kind of like a seal a wax seal is the same thing right put a wax seal on an envelope and you put your signate ring on it um it's a it's a way to ensure that something was not tampered with especially if it's a letter or a message or a contract or something like that right it wasn't tampered with so now you know it wasn't if the seal wasn't broken so that thread is like a seal like that It's a thread of blue that was really really expensive

because that die was really expensive so what you could do to make sure something wasn't tampered with is put a blue thread like like that in some way where you had to break the thread in order to break the seal exactly like a seal you know so we're used to that concept still because of we had it in the western culture too you know every culture has this this idea of a seal so The blue thread is a seal okay that you put and it's so expensive that a crook wouldn't have the means necessarily to

break that seal and put it back put another one put another one to replace it to like fake that it wasn't tampered with because it's too expensive so it's like not worth it so I mean it's kind of like the same thing when we print money when the government prints money it prints it in a way that it can't be duplicated by Some amateur uh maybe today who can because of Technology but in the past you know nobody can afford a printing press so it's not easy for some dude in his basement to make fake

money it's printed in a very fine way so it's kind of the same thing I mean you're not going to make fake money if it cost you more to make the fake money you know if it costs you more to buy a printing press then you will get from the fake money so similarly here you're not going To break this seal in order to steal something or whatever if replacing the seal costs you more you know so it's it's along those lines but so that's what the thread is so there's the blue thread and then

later in the story Tamar it says that she put a red thread around the arm of the the child that was being born okay um because it's her children at the end that Judah has it kind of replaces his lineage um because his children died um So this thread okay the Crimson thread is the opposite of the blue thread this is something I didn't know before but now I understand so the blue thread is a seal and the Red Thread represents the opposite of a seal so what's the opposite of a seal it's infiltration something

like that this was tampered with this was altered that's what the Red Thread means the opposite of a blue thread so the blue thread tells you it hasn't been altered it's it's about Integrity right things are have remained kept their integrity and the Red Thread means H oh infiltration or been tampered with so that's what it represents um that's what that's what it represents in this story of um Jericho uh Joshua goes uh to Rahab the pr do and she lets down a red thread to have them Escape see it has the same meaning in

that story too it means infiltration there was an infiltration right here that's where you see the thread okay it's so it's Infiltration exfiltration I don't think that's a word but I mean the thing was able to escape too so um so here but here usually this is bad right usually infiltration is bad uh tampering is bad these are all bad things so that's kind of a stumbling Stone uh theme right your Fallen you're you've been infiltrated you've been tampered with uh you've been corrupted but in this example it's good so that's what a good stumbling

Stone a good example of it is Tamar very simple Example of it um yeah by the way this is something I wanted to to share um see the about the Crimson thread uh I've never seen anyone say this before maybe someone has but I did didn't catch it so I'll say it um the it's called Crimson thread Crimson is uh in Hebrew okay it's sh okay and it means the word is very interesting it's it comes from the word uh the same word as year okay a year or a cycle okay and it means a

lot of things it's this is actually a good Proof if anyone wants to proof that the patterns I describe in my book are the are the right ones to understand the Bible this is the good example because it means a year so a cycle it means just in general change it means uh something diverse different it means uh disguise these are all the meaning of the same word Grimson so it means also to redo to repeat to do again okay so it means two like two the second second one see in this story we understand

all this Meaning because that's what H that's what Tamar is all about is it's like a second chance okay you do the first one it was done wrong well we'll do it again We'll erase it's also part of going back you go back you revert you revert what was done and then you do it you have another chance now you do it again so it's called it's all the symbolism of two right do again redo redoing things so this is what happens when you sleep too generally because you work all day You get tired now

you start to make mistakes you're in danger of making mistakes when you're tired if you go work outside I've had this experience you know you're building something outside and it's getting dark you're getting tired now you're going to make some mistakes you know you're dumb if you keep going you're going to make some critical mistake especially if you're in the woods somewhere you don't want to make a mistake you get in real trouble If you you cut yourself in the woods you know so if you're smart you're going to stop you know but this is

we can see this what happens when you fall asleep it's the same thing you're you're starting to make mistakes you're starting to fall and then you sleep allows you a second chance you get renewed and then you wake up and then you're you're back you restart your day okay so it's restart of the day means second chance okay so Um so these are all the meaning of crimson thread Crimson means everything I just said here which is a lot I mean there's a lot included there so the concept of a cycle redoing the concept of

a year concept of change alteration um how do you say that um I was talking about tampering you see something has been changed has been altered usually these are all bad things you see I mean you don't want that you don't want corruption it's called Corruption usually it's called contamination you know but in this case good so a good example of Eve this is very mysterious patterns but we have to learn them now because we're your trouble so it's time to do to understand these things again um this something else I wanted to say oh

yes oh yes um this pattern goes ahead to the story of David because in the story of David Like I said be BBA isua okay represents the not the same represents um so in that story too same thing he he sinned David makes a sin he's not supposed to get her there too that Sheba somebody else is wife so he does a pretty big sin there um sending him to War for the purpose of getting killed we talked about this last time and uh or maybe I'm confusing with someone else it doesn't matter so Um

and then David what happens the first child he has with B Sheba dies okay and then the second child represents this second chance you know so there's like the death and and and rebirth so it's the same pattern because in the story of Judah that's what happens he has some kids with B shua and they die and then Tamar comes and flips it around reverse re reverses the thing and then she gets a second chance so David represents that the second Chance or the the the good alteration and also this is Alo why David is

is a foreigner is has a foreign lineage because it represents the infiltration see the foreign infiltration into Judah through Moab um is David but it's usually this is the bad thing see that's the thing usually it's a bad thing but now it's a good thing and when is David so David represents this very rare situation where the negative the infiltration or The alteration or the corruption is actually good because you were going in a wrong path anyway see it's like you're sick you're you're sick you got to be healed so it's like you get you

get bitten by a snake and then after that you need to take the antidote which is made from the Venom of the snake so now now the Venom is good because it's going to heal you but the first so it's like it's see this it's all to double it's Already related to like neg two negatives you know it's like two neg two wrongs make it right literally that's what it is actually um so yeah so the these things are all related to the pattern of sleep this is what I'm interesting interested in um this is

just a good example of this pattern in the Bible but in my book that I'm writing now uh I'm G to mostly be talking about dreams see but it is that pattern so I'm going to be explaining This pattern but only talking about dreams um because all the dreams are about this pattern and this is why many people don't recognize these patterns when they read them in the Bible because they ignore dreams you know not just ignore your dreams right uh well that depends if you want to understand these things then no so that's what

I I gave myself this Mission you know you're going to understand this thing called Exile you're going to understand this Thing called Death dreams uh sleep so I think now basically ready to just write my book so that's what I'm doing I'm gonna this is why I'm doing this interview I don't like doing interview I mean I've told you this too it's it's not a big secret um not a big fan of public appearance you know it's how my think so but I'm doing it now cuz I think the reason is cu I feel um

indebted to the people who just sent me their dreams you know that's it's like I I gotta prepay in some way I will with my book but I feel like I have to I don't know maybe acknowledge it you know acknowledge everyone who sent me their dream it help it helped I I wouldn't have done it without those dreams there's there's no doubt about it uh so so thanks thanks to everyone you you won't regret it I mean a lot of you who sent the dreams you'll see them in the book uh I'm gonna have

to ask permission I Guess um that was dumb I should have I should have stated that at the beginning that if you sent me your dream you're giving me permission to use it I forgot to do that so I'm gonna have to ask a bunch of people if think I can have permission to because I think it's you have to have permission or or else it's there's something weird about it um I'm not going to men people's names or anything you know and that would be useless but Um yeah so lots of patterns in the

Bible and so I'm not I haven't decided yet in this book if am I just G to talk about dreams or am I gonna talk about dreams and then use that to interpret weird stuff in the Bible or am I going to do two separate books two separate you know just dreams maybe and then another book that's going to be this is what I don't like this other book would be kind of dependent on the other one I don't like doing that I really don't like this book Is not going to be dependent on my

first book uh it will help a lot if someone read my first book and read the second one for sure it helps but I'm gonna write it as if I assume the person nobody has read my first book that's reading this second book um so so I don't I haven't decided yet I'll when I start writing it I'll see I'll you know but just by experience I'll see is this a good idea or not to have these two subjects in one book or Do I have to split it I might do both I might do

two and then also just I'll maybe uh publish a version that has both in it in case someone want because it's useless to have if you just want one you just want one I mean I don't have to force people to read what they don't want to read but so if someone just wants dreams and doesn't want Bible maybe I could just do the dream part I haven't decide yeah it'll it'll happen when it happens you know um Yeah so that's what's that's what I'm going to do now in the next during the winter hopefully

the winter is not going to be too hard this year last year was really hard uh yeah but I learned a lot that's the thing I learned a lot uh from last year's uh problems um and I learned important things like really simple things about uh about the concept by the way that we we talked about that the concept Of the first born and the second born and all that stuff that pattern there I learned a whole lot about that uh because of the problems I had during the winter um I don't know do you

want me to talk about do you want me to yeah sure because it's related it's all it's all related anyway it's related to the the Sleep part the sleep stuff too uh okay so um okay so I guess I could say what what Happened to me um what happened to me is um my stove stop stopped working okay or malfunctioned okay uh and then I was in big trouble you know because obviously because winter time you don't want to not have heat so uh and I could it's unbelievable the problems I got from this you

know I tried to fix it myself I tried all kinds of things and uh eventually I had deci had to buy another one so you know that's a big deal for me Because I'm not rich you know this is like using all my money you know just to survive so uh I bought another one and then all these struggles basically I learned something really important and it kind of revealed to me the meaning of the the whole can and able story um so I can try to explain it's really simple but uh I think I

mean my way of thinking is the real truths you know the real powerful deep truths are really simple but the problem is not That we don't understand things I've said this before but uh it's that we neglect the importance of certain things we neglect them it's like we we we don't think it's meaningful we think it's just some aspect of reality that is not important so it's not that we don't get it or don't understand it is that we don't pay attention to it enough and we don't put it high enough in our uh our

ideas that we use to interpret Phenomenon so this is what happened so I realized uh the importance of something that now I call the spare you know you have to have a spare okay people know this already you know everyone has a spare tire for example you know it's not a bit but they don't think about it they don't realize the importance of it I had to because I was suffering you know in Winter suffering because I had neglected this idea of the spare you know so then I you know I started thinking about this

And I understood a lot of things so okay so look let let me ask you let's say a question like a rhetorical question almost but um so if if let's say I say to you um I own two hammers okay I have two hammers so then the question is like why do you have two hammers why not just one you know can't I can't use both at the same time that's that's ridiculous so why do I have two so then there's like basically two answers to this this uh question or maybe three but one of

Them is for example um they're specialized in different ways okay so this one hammer is for one job this other Hammer is for a different kind of job similar but different so for example let's let's use a real example let's say you have a big hammer metal Hammer that is really blunt and it's just for construction the construction of the general uh let's say frame of the house okay so it's just a normal hammer and then you have maybe another kind of Hammer that is a little smaller and a little different and it's that's that's

just for the finishing touches of the house once the house is built you know um you put in the you know the I don't know what those are called but the you know what you put on on the bottom of floors you know between the wall and the floor what's that called I don't know what that called in English baseboards base boards oh yeah okay yeah Makes sense so you let's say you're putting that in with little those little nails you know you need a maybe a different kind of hammer let's say to to nail

that in so it doesn't like wreck the whole thing so maybe that's why you have two hammers example right you have a one hammer for one type of job the other have for another okay so that's one one explanation um so this is the in my book when I say talk about K and able okay Um so that's the kind of explanation I used okay the explanation where it's a specialization of two things so what I like why do you have two sons why does a Adam have two sons same question why do you have

two hammers let's say similar so the answer that I gave in my first book was a specialization of Adam so Adam has a job it's a big job he needs two job two different specialized jobs to do it so the way I explained it is um Kane is specialized in the realm of uh Facts in Earth like the Earth concrete facts you know like fighting War building buing stuff this is like uh it's like a king it's like the what do you call that uh the like the secular domain basically what what they used to

call it just the concrete practicality of things so that's Kan let's say and then there's the other aspect which would be like spiritual things so so it's like Abel is focused on spiritual matters so he's Represented by kind of a priest he's a priest and I think that's what it is too I wasn't I wasn't wrong you know uh that's why priests you have a um what do you call that crook right because it's it's related to the shepherd um and then Cain is more like a king because he's he's dealing with reality you know

facts killing enemies and stuff like that you know hunting and stuff like that and the other one is leading his luck with ideas is understanding things spiritual Knowledge so specialization that's why example you have two hammers okay so let's say in our example we can compare let's say the the first Hammer is like Kane the second Hammer is like able so start with cane d do do you know use a big hammer build a structure and then after that you do the inside of the house you're doing a nice you you need your little Hammer

you know to not break not wreck everything when you build so okay one one uh that's one Answer now and then but then there's another answer and this is the one I neglected but now I learned by through suffering you know um the other reason you can have two hammers is because if one breaks you know you have another one I mean it's obvious right I mean so you need a spare Hammer because if one breaks you have another one and this is becomes more and more true the more and more your tool is essential

to you right so if you're make a living with this Object you need a spare because if it breaks you're you're in trouble because you can't fix it when you're using it and that's the thing you can't fix your Hammer while you Hammer obviously right I mean but this is true for everything you can't you can't fix your car while you're driving it you got to have your car at rest while it's being fixed that's also why we sleep by the way you need to get get paralyzed for your body to heal to be fixed

doesn't fix when You're doing stuff just like you can't fix your car when you're driving but maybe there's a certain amount of fixing that can be done while you're awake but the the Deep fixing the Deep renewal the deep healing needs to be when your body stops working your body is like your your vehicle right it's like your car car in a way um when you're driving it you can't fix it so similarly here you have to hammers because if it breaks if one breaks the other is going to be used While you fix the

the first one maybe or maybe if it's totally broken then it gets replaced by by the second one so this is another way to interpret Canan Abel um as a spare so able is a spare but then you have to ask yourself but then there's a lot of implications to that thing though that's a lot of implications this is this is what I mean by you understand something but you don't understand all the Implications um so maybe someone can understand the idea of a spare in general but they don't think about all the implications so

let's say you have two hammers one one uh that you use and one that you don't okay but then it's like okay what do I how what's what does the life of this Hammer look like the one that's not being used well I don't know it's going to hang on the wall Somewhere in fact I better not use it better not use it because if I use it I could break it right the whole point of this one is to not have it broken not have it used I'll keep it new I'll keep it uh

never used this one I'll use until it gets broken or whatever but the other one I'll keep it in pristine um I'll keep it pristine I'll keep it clean pure not used not broken I anything because his purpose is to replace the other so you see that's one Implication of the spare has got to be kept not at work it's at rest while the other one is at work okay but then at one point there's a switch right possibly if this one breaks this one breaks it now it's this one that has to come in

and replace it while and then maybe this one's being fixed during that time and maybe after that you can go back it's okay um so one of them is almost like an ornament okay the one that's not being used and his his Existence is like in the future right his whole ex reason for being is for the future while this one is for this world right now right this important Concepts in the Bible this world and the world to come the world to come just means the future there's been a lot of misinterpretations with that

so in my example a hammer the one that's not being used is for the world to come and the one that's being used is for this world so the first born is this world The second born is the world to come so and then if something happens to this one this one is there to replace it and what is this one doing during that time well they see that's what you got to think about of course the analogy of the Hammers gets gets tedious after you could just understand that we're talking about two individuals here

right we're talking about let's say Cain and Abel so there's more implications than with a hammer Obviously because a Abel has to make a living for himself even though he's not being used in this world he has to still exist so has to uh make some kind of a living so uh he becomes a Shepherd you know there's you can understand that in different ways um there's lots to understand there actually why he's a Shepherd but um so and then you you you got to understand something else too so you can combine those two interpretations

the one I said before With the specialization and the one I'm saying now with the spare combine those two I think when you combine those two you get the right image of what Kan and abble is about because when you combine them you can also say this um I kind of already did so I mean let's say You're Building your your house you start building the exterior and then you build the interior so at first you're using the big camer okay the one that's like cane let's say And then after a while you're done with

that and now you're at the interior now what do you do now the r switch now the one that wasn't being used is going to be used and the one that was used is not going to be used okay so there's a switch so there's a time to use this one and a time to use that one okay so it's not necessarily because the Hammer's broken the first Hammer cane it's not necessarily because he's broken that you got to be replace him sometimes you got To replace him because now it's other function now you're in

the inside of the house you're going to use the other kind of hammer so now it's time to put Kane on the wall and put Abel in the building you know he's going to be operating now so I think that's how we have to understand Kan and Abel as a combination of interpretations I I gave here so Abel represents renewal okay he's he's like an agent of Eve I was saying before you Know some men are actually working for Eve so that's kind of what Abel is he's there for a time of renewal so it's

not necessarily sometimes people ask what did Kane do wrong you know I don't know why people are so so concerned about Kane by the way it's funny to me it's like why aren't you concerned about Abel it's like what does he do like what is he doing he gets nothing you know Kane gets everything Abel get people are always concerned about Kane like oh what did Kane do wrong what did able do wrong you know why does he not do anything you know while the other one's the king let's say so the thing is I

think the way to understand it is um there's a time of renewal so it's not necessarily that Kane did something wrong it's that when you work the land for a certain period of Time um the land goes into a famine State like the land stops producing I mean every farmer knows this or everyone who's a gardener knows this if you exploit the land for a certain time and you don't uh you're not careful about it the land doesn't produce anymore or it produces fruit but it gets sick and the fruit has trouble it does it

it rots away and stuff like that I I I've experienced it myself but I mean anyone who Gardens knows these things you Should know these things so did what did Caine do wrong not necessarily anything it's possible that I think now this is how I interpret it now he didn't do anything actually he just exploited the land for a certain period of time and then the land stopped producing for him because because that's what happens when you exploit the land I mean it's just a fact of life so then what happens the land needs to

rest renew itself just like we do and then so it has to stop Being uh exploited in that way and that's what Able's for able now it's time for Abel to take over like you just graze with his sheep that's a different kind of existence that doesn't require uh not like Kan doesn't require to plant seeds and get all the minerals out or whatever it is when you when you plant seeds at one point the resources are not there so there needs to be a period of time when things are redistributed in a way so

the the toxins that plants Produce at one point there's too much in that place and the resources needed for the plant are not there anymore so either you go somewhere else and plant somewhere else or you wait and though that's what the whole concept of the jubilees and the whole concept of the sabatical years and all that that's what it's about there needs to be a year of not producing why for the earth to renew itself so I think this is what's going on in the story of Kain and Abel um Cain Was reaching the

end of the of his production like it says too in the story it says at the end end of days this is what happened why does it say at the end of days because I think it's my wanted to understand it's the end of the day now it's the night okay the end of the work period now it's the rest period so now it was time for able to take over because his lifestyle allows for the rest to happen the rest of the land see it's about the land rest Not not him and now Kane

was supposed to take a secondary role see and I think that what his sin is if any um is refusing that okay like he refused to um lose some of his power for a time of rest okay he didn't want to lose his power during that time of rest so I think when it says at one point or at the end of the day the days Cain he brought his offering to God and God rejected it and I think the reason God Rejected it is because it wasn't good anymore the land wasn't producing uh sorry

lots of noise it's like a rural area there's that's okay kinds of recreational vehicles and stuff so um I forgot what oh yeah okay so I was saying the reason why God refused his offering now that what I understand is I think more a better answer uh is because the land had Reached its production limit and now is producing bad fruit which is what happens in real life which is what always happens if you if you exploit a certain land and then he he obviously kept giving his fruit of his land but now it wasn't

good anymore see it's not even not necessarily his fault it's just the way things are but then he did sin because then God is like calm down you know I prefer Abel's thing now because this is the time where it's supposed to Switch from work to rest for a while until the land renews itself and the you'll be back you'll be back on top don't worry about it dude Kane um but Kane just didn't want that that's that's how I see it now and he just wanted power to to remain power he was afraid to

lose his status as the first born um so he killed you know he killed the other one so that's kind of like you know again a lot of implications I I'll go back to my analogy of the two Hammers it's like uh now we're we're done with the outside construction now we're to do the inside and then it's like if if the Hammers had had an ego you know the big hammer might be like no I'm I'm the big one I'm the good one I'm the strong one I'm GNA build the whole house you know

and then maybe the big hammer smashes and destroys the little one you know the the one made for the inside uh and then what happens then the Builder forced to use the big hammer for the inside and then he breaks a lot of stuff you know see this is what happens when you don't you don't want to do what's right you know we don't want to stuff gets broken so maybe the maybe the the house will still get built you know but it's not going to be it's going to be broke going to be some

problems so uh this is what happens too but with Cain he Um so it kills Abel and the blood of Abel is what renews the land you know kind of like the blood of of Christ it's the blood of Abel that it represent that's why it says the blood went in the Earth and the Earth uh drank the blood of Abel or something like that because they want us to understand that it's the blood of Abel that's going to heal the land okay but it's it's be a long process um and then it turns into

the flood later but um and that's when The land is healed okay that because the flood is a period of rest really that's what it is and then we start creation number two which is After the flood there's a new uh world right so that's dat it's like this the new day that starts okay but what I was going to say about abble uh Kane is that he's like the big hammer used inside the house he's tries to do the job of Abel but he's doing it wrong he's he's he's like a something that's not

Meant for that so this is what Kane does he ends up trying to do Abel's job in the end and um that's why it says that k became at the end of his lineage there uh they lived in tents right it says uh Jubal and jabal or something like that so it's Jubilee really they want us to understand it's about the Jubilee but so these guys live in tents and take care of Sheep like Abel and the other one's a musician that's what it says he plays the flute okay so what's that means is that

Cain now Kane's lineage now must do the part that Abel was was supposed to do but Abel was meant for it he would have done it correctly and well well Kane is not he's not the right tool for this job but he has now he has to do it no choice you know there's nobody else so so yeah I broke my my small Hammer now I got to use the big one inside Break a lot of stuff you know break the house but I have to do it so I do it so that's what Kane

was doing as lineage trying to copy Abel or do Abel's job and it led to the end of the end of his lineage completely uh because yeah because you're not supposed to do that you know he he had to at that point uh so musicians and it's like Kane living in tents uh taking care of sheep and playing music that's not supposed it's not his job Really he can do it but it's like a weaker version of it it's like maybe a subversive ricent version of it we can see it like that while Abel would

have done the job but cleanly and nicely and um without problem okay so that's one way to so I hope my analogy helped a little bit to understand this I I think I said a lot here but maybe it's a little too much I don't know so we'll see I'll see how people react to it but uh so it's not That complicated you see so but to me it took a long time to understand this the the concept of the spare okay and how the spare is related to rest and renewal so you got the

spare so that the all one can be fixed while that one is fixed you use that one so this is again same thing um the Sun and the Moon represents that in the way because the Sun during the day is the work represents the work time well then it falls at one point everything falls So at one point it falls and then it goes under the Earth it's dead broken what's happening under the Earth it's being repaired that's what's happening so the sun when it goes under it falls it falls it falls it lose everything

you know uh it's an exile this is an exile that's what it represents and then it gets healed it it goes into a holding pattern basically that's what the sun is doing but while the sun is down there then the Moon is Up there so the Moon is like the other Hammer you know it's like the Moon is there now to replace the Sun during this rest period um and then to give an opportunity for the Sun to be renewed and then it comes back so that's what sleep is all is all about so we

but the thing is with sleep it happens before it's too late see like things get fixed or maintained before they break see so sleep is about not really fixing things But more something like maintenance so kind of like a janitor you know kind of like a during the school let's say you're working at school during the school hours the every everyone's working everything gets dirty you know junk on the ground you know and then during the night the janitor comes in and cleans so it's more like that than an actual fixing and repairing or healing

because it's it's about but if the janitor wasn't There then it would accumulate right and then things would really break at one point you know pipes would burst and you know things like that it would be a big problem but because the janitor is there every night he fixes the little things you know he maint maintenance right that's the word for it maintenance so sleeping is maintenance but it's both so if you're sick uh you're in bad Health you will sleep sleep is sick is related so if you get sick you get weak and you

Will sleep and the sleep will heal you um and or the time will heal you you know the time of resting just rest you got to rest when you're when you're sick but that's that's not the ideal situation that's when you got sick when you got broken but obviously what you want ideally is to rest even when you're not sick that way you don't get sick right sleep it's a maintenance thing that you do every night so that you don't get sick so that you don't get Intoxication heavy intoxication in your body you know uh

so when you sleep there's a there's detox going on uh things flow you know because there's concentrations of toxins that you do during work that you have to be flowed out you know um kind of like when you sweat you know some of the toxin when you cry some of the toxins get out and then when you sleep they're not necessarily getting out but they're being redistributed they're things are Flowing around there uh and things are being healed so maintenance yeah so but that's really deep though I don't want to reduce it to a janitor

well no let's not let's let's honor the janitor instead instead of saying what I just said that the janitor important you know without the jit nothing works so it's important so so that's what it's about but obviously I'm just giving you little pieces here you know I'm trying not to Be too uh jumping from one thing to the other it's hard but uh in my book it's going to be really really clear you know kind of like my first book I think was clear enough well written so it's going to be like that it's going

to be it's actually might be easier than my first book because I'm going to since I'm using dreams like dreams are really tiny little stories so it's a lot easier I'm going to use I'm going to choose the right dreams at first to explain certain Things and then I'm going to move on to other types of dreams and then I'm going to reach I'm G to go concept by concept you know uh and by the end of it I'm hoping that uh Anyone who reads it will be able to interpret Any Dream you know uh

but obviously there's there's special kinds of dreams that don't fit this the pattern I'm looking yet because there's there's all kinds of dreams but there's like other higher level dreams where you have these Revelations that don't Necessarily fit that pattern although some do CU I think some of some of them do but some of them clearly don't but normal dreams you know not weird dreams because there's sometimes people have visions and stuff and they think it's dreams you know and it's obviously not to me it's obvious but to some people maybe they don't see the

difference but there's a clearly difference so yeah Any Dream real dream you know normal dream be able To just know what and see immediately so what I'm hoping is I'm going to like put the dreams at the end of the book and I'm going to suggest for the reader to read those first and just read them go read through them it's not such a big deal because I try to put them in one sentence you know it's not it's not too complicated and then just see if they understand because if you don't see the good

if you don't see that you don't get it at first it's Not as satisfying like you got to see that you don't understand obviously some people maybe already do but it's like learning a new language you know it's like I show you a phrase in Chinese you know try to read it it's like no I I don't know this sounds like gibberish but then okay let's learn the language and then read it again and then it's like whoa this is obvious you know this is I can I can read this now but I'm hoping this

is the experience people Will get from that book Oh They'll read the dreams at first and be like oh this is weird you know this is just random stuff it looks completely random and then I'll just go through the concepts that need to be explained and then at the end the the person will just read all the dreams again but every it's going to be like an explosion of meaning you know everyone will make sense and will be an obvious I'm hoping that's the experience I want to give cuz it's Satisfying when you do that

you know when it's like learning a new language is very satisfying I don't know if you ever learned a another language but uh it's I've been stud I've been studying Latin and I'm not very good at it but I do start to get little insights where stuff makes sense now yeah so so yeah you've so you've studied Latin so yeah so that's s it's satisfying when you read you read something you have no idea what it means and then you learn it and Then you read it and it's you know it's a beautiful thing and

yeah you see different things that you usually wouldn't when you learn a new language because there's concept that you didn't have before or there's ways of saying things you know so I'm hoping this is what this is exactly what I want I want people to learn this language the language of renewal what I call and then uh I'm going to use this language to explain a whole bunch of weird things in The Bible like almost all the weird stuff that people read and are like what what is this you know what is what is this

weird stuff or not not necessarily that it looks weird sometimes but it looks arbitrary there's stuff that looks arbitrary it looks like it's just describing something that happened without meaning you know without uh deep meaning but it's never that in the Bible it's always uh if you don't get it it's because there's something missing in Your mind or there's something you think is not important but is and you just have to now look at it through that lens so the lens I'm giving I'm going to try to give at least in this book is basically

the it's like the moon you know it's the lens of the Moon instead of the sun it's like if you had two lenses but you look at it with the sun lens that's the work a day the work a day lens which is what most people look at the world through then there some Things you can't understand uh some some patterns of reality that you can't not just in the Bible but in real life too but then so I'm trying to give the Moon look at you the the moon lens or the Sleep lens and

then in it's not just about understanding dreams though that's what it's important to to say here it's about understanding certain patterns that are in dream but also not in dreams and then those two things together well I mean I could say here that Um I think one of the reasons why this book is going to be important is because now we're in the pattern of the dream now the past uh let's see how many years at least uh five years so we know where that lands us so um we're we're in the we are have

been put in a dream pattern I don't know by who by what I don't need to know really but at least I think people should understand What's going on we've been put in a sleep pattern and we are being led into sleep right now so we're being led into to well it I don't want to give away all my my my information here but because I want people to actually read my book you know I don't want to just give away because you can't you can't it's not true that in a verbal discussion you can

give as much information is in it but it's just not true so I don't want people to think Oh I already listened to his thing you know no no no read the book it's not the same you know you're going to get a lot of information here uh in the in a book form it's not the same so I'm going to explain things and at the end of the book people should realize I hope that we are now being put to sleep by forces unknown let's say let's leave it like that and we being put

to sleep now the question is are we being Put to sleep for good uh and I mean for good not in the sense of forever but for good in the sense of for our own good like when we fall asleep and wake up the next day to renew us to refuel us or or are we just being killed like Delila killed tried to kill Samson that's the question I'm not necessarily going to try to answer that question obviously now or or even in my book but uh we have to at least be aware that are

we dealing with Tamar or With Delila that's what we got to figure out Tamar Delila I don't know which one either right now honestly I see some signs sometimes that lead me at first when I didn't understand uh this language or when I understood a little I was there was no doubt in my mind that it was Delila okay that we're we're being killed you know we're being assassinated here the more I I understand the sleeping stuff the language of sleeping the patterns Involved the more I see that is what's happening we are being put

to sleep there's no doubt anymore in my mind but the more I'm not sure unfortunately the more I'm not sure if we're dealing with Delila or Tamar is it is it is it for our own good to make us sleep to renew the land to renew ourselves to renew our c ation or is it by our enemy that wants to just put us in the ground for good you know uh I'm not sure anymore Unfortunately I thought by learning this language I would know more which one it was but it did kind of did the

opposite I used to be more sure that we were dealing with enemies now it's like it's like kind of in the middle it's reaching the middle I'm still more leaning toward enemies but it didn't do what I thought I thought it was going to make it more sure that we were we were being attacked but it didn't it brought it a little closer to The the middle I'm not sure but anyway I don't think it's for me to to make that determination but I hope to give enough Insight or enough understanding of these patterns to

know for maybe somebody else to figure it out or maybe me later or someone else later I don't it doesn't have to be me obviously but uh that's one of my reasons why I wrote this book is to answer or to help understand what's going on in the world cuz I'm not able to pretend that nothing's going on I cannot do that you know I cannot uh keep just going on with my life you know I cannot do it I cannot do it I know something's going on I know there's a some influence that we're

not that's usually not what what we're dealing with but now it's like something changed you know we we're being brought into um yeah like Alison Wonderland you know we're being brought into the Allison Well by the way Alice in Wonderland is 100% about sleeping and dreaming I didn't used to know this because I didn't really care about that story really it's just too weird for me I know um but now I when I started to understand these patterns the dream stuff I started seeing okay this guy L Carroll whatever who wrote Alis in Wonderland he

was he was just talking about dreams and sleeping and uh he understood a lot of things Uh and then he just wrote instead of doing what I want to do which is to kind of explain it he just wrote a story you know like uh maybe he's maybe he did the right thing maybe he's better than what I'm doing you know he didn't explain it he just wrote a story with it we'll see we'll see but maybe now's the time to understand it maybe back then it wasn't you know because maybe people weren't dealing with

it then and it wasn't as Urgent as it is now but everything going on in that in that book or in those books uh is about sleeping and dreaming so he was he was exploring that uh see the idea of um you know shrinking growing all these things are about falling asleep um these obstacles you know he he's always also the you know that I'm late I'm late the rabbit that's late this is all dream patterns now I know I I didn't used to know before but now I Know and the idea of uh looking

in the mirror there's lots of mirrors and dreams because it's related going into the mirror that's just as a representation of falling asleep because the mirror because when you fall asleep you go into yourself right so if you look in a mirror and also it's related to mirror because it's it's an image it's a an illusion a mirror is an illusion it's not real and uh you look in the mirror it means you're looking an Illusion that's what dreaming is and it's not any kind of Illusion it's it's an illusion about yourself and that's why

the idea of uh even in the Matrix you know he goes into the mirror it means really falling asleep because that's what falling asleep is and actually in in dreams there is that image I've seen it a few times going into the mirror and also yeah see if you understand that the mirror also is water okay I've mentioned this Before that the real mirror is water the surface of water is the natural mirror the Prototype of the mirror so when you go into the mirror it means I'm going into myself or an illusion of myself

but it also means I'm going into the water I'm G to be washed by the the water it's a flood right so it's very it's deep symbolism I I'm going to talk about this uh this water symbolism in my book it's actually a lot deeper than I first thought um it became much deeper after Look talk after thinking about dreams and things like that but in Alice in Wonderland uh I think even in the Disney version uh it starts with uh it says uh I want to be in a world of my own something like

that and then she looks in the water and then she's singing a song I don't remember exactly I saw this a long time ago but she says I want going into a world of my own because she doesn't want to do her work see her school work so that's what Dreams are going into a world of your own see it's your world that you're entering your world you're entering yourself so for sure it'd be worth it'd be worth watching that movie again the Disney movie at Leisa just for the just for the imagery um you

see and she goes and she deals with h games she's she's dealing with cards and games and things like that this is very much related to the uh the symbolism of Sleeping so you go into a game a simulation that is like a miniature but you're shrunken you shrink and then you go into a world of your own like it says in the in the Alison Wonderland song um and see why I can explain even that see uh maybe that can be the last thing here but um why why is it shrink why you shrink

when you when you when you why is that a representation of sleeping shrinking it's actually easy to understand Because uh falling asleep is shrinking because you have some Capac aties usually when you're awake you have capacities and then you lose those capacities that means you shrink see it's also about regressing back to Starting Over Again is shrinking you know going back you're starting over you're losing your um because when you fall asleep you lose your abilities that you usually have it's like you're regressing you go back and you shrink Into yourself then you go into

a world of your own a world of your own creation a world of Illusion where you're seeing really what's you're seeing the renewal process process and you're like participating inside of yourself to see the renewal process and you there's different perspectives that you can have in there but yeah that's something I'm gonna I'm G to go into with my book but you can be a Healer or you can also be the that which is Healed because what's going on is healing but what I mean is there's different narratives because there're different perspective you know some

dreams are about I'm the Healer in the dreams some dreams are about I'm the patient being healed but it's the same dream really you're just seeing it from different perspective inside of yourself you know so so there's lots of different perspectives uh that can be that you can Identify with while you are seeing the process of renewal but so that's why there's many many many many kinds of dreams there's different ways of representing it but there's also different perspectives and in really good dreams you'll you're you'll be both you'll be the healer and the patient

you know well I mean that's not hard to under I mean you could be uh okay I'll give you a really a really example of a dream that's actually typical um I've Received that one more than once so the dream is just this I look in a mirror I'm in the bathroom I look in the mirror and then I have a pimple and then I pop my pimple that's the dream it sounds really boring but it's all the dream pattern is in that that little tiny little dream because you're the Healer you're the patient because

you're in a Dream It's always you every part of the dream is you but in some dreams there there's like a a perfect symbolism where You're both see in some dreams you only see one side of it in some dreams you only see the other this is like Joseph too he Joseph has different dreams that mean the same thing has one dream and then another dream that but the two dreams are the same and then he's supposed to figure out these are two perspectives of the same pattern so same thing in dreams but in the

the best dreams like the juiciest dreams you're both you know it's like for example give You a typical dream another typical dream I'm being chased by a guy with a knife in my dream I'm running away it's like a nightmare let's say and then oh I'm running away I'm running away I'm trying to close the doors but I never close the door on time the guy's running after me and that I'm in I'm in this Labyrinth you know very important symbol of symbol of Dream by Labyrinth very important and then at one point he reaches

me and he's he wants to Stab me and then I realize I'm not afraid and then I take the knife and stab myself nothing happens so that's actually a dream that many people have apparently um it's a pretty good dream okay so it's like there's the falling down part you're losing control you're losing your space you're you're falling down you're shrinking so there's many ways to represent the shrinking thing one of the ways is to literally be shrinking another way is To um regress into smaller and smaller spaces so like if you're in a house

I'm being chased by a crazy person in my house and then I go in my room and then I go hide under my my bed so you're shrinking that's another way to represent the shrinking and then in good dreams you realize or there's some symbolism of the idea that you are both sides of the thing you are the attacker and you are the one being attacked and then in really really good dreams then You see all of it together you see you see the enemy that takes you down and then you see you you you're

also the one you you the enemy and you're the one that's being taken down and then you're the Healer and then you're the one being healed and then it's like you see all of it at the same time there's a few dreams like that um where there's like an awareness of the whole thing you know because some Dreams are only have partial awareness and some dreams have full awareness and the dreams that have full awareness are the ones that are really really interesting where where you see the whole thing like and what's funny is people

who had these dreams usually don't understand them it's not like they dream that because they OD the deep meaning of the dream no it's it's usually not that it's just that this particular dream was had a lot of info In it you know was really well designed by whoever designs dreams I don't know I don't really know if it's our brain or not but uh so yeah so I'm getting this is what in my book that I'm going to do I'm going to use certain dreams to explain certain things and then I'm going to work

my way you know I'm going to try to use at the end some dreams that have a really really perfect uh representation of the whole thing so this should be interesting sounds very Cool I'm sure people would be thrilled to read it yeah well I can't I can't wait now I'm getting a little bit uh what's the word antsy but something like that I'm getting like and now Winter's coming so it's gonna be hard again so I hope it goes well you know uh I'm gonna probably use that the whole winter to write it hopefully

I don't get some weird thing again I've understood everything I needed to enough no more uh no more exile for me tired of it okay I don't know who I'm talking to here but whoever's in charge of that Exile stuff enough okay well um thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me today yeah no problem yeah this was like a last minute thing right I just call just because I don't honestly like I said I don't like doing interviews so no offense to other people who asked me to do interviews and

I didn't do it is this is just like a random random thing he just emailed me and it just happened to Be at the right moment where I felt like I needed to do it so I did it so it's no offense it's not cuz other people have asked me to do interviews and I always say I don't want to do interviews because it's true you know but it's like this for some reason you just EX at the right moment sent me an email so I just happened like that so well I'm thankful for whoever

is in charge of Lucky emails of Lucky emails yeah okay cool good talking to you yeah it was fun bye bye All right bye so um Matthew just wanted to address and clarify one one thing that was uh brought up in the interview so I'm just going to ask him a question um why don't you talk about Christianity in general okay so the reason I don't talk about Christianity is um is actually pretty simple but so not everyone's going to agree with me you know on on that issue but uh people don't have to agree

with me that's the Thing you know I don't have any I'm I don't have any position of any Authority so I'm I'm nobody so you can disagree with me and then just ignore me that's that's the reality of it so it's it shouldn't be a big deal that I don't I voluntarily don't talk about Christianity well I think I do need to explain why because can be interpreted in ways that are not you know that are not what it is so it's not it's not out of Disrespect you know it's not because because I don't

think Christianity is is true it's actually the opposite okay so why because I Think Jesus is the Incarnation or the embodiment of the highest truth okay that are are that we can grasp okay um it's like as it says you know it's the Keystone so it's the the Pinnacle stone or even the Keystone might even be a better symbol for it so the problem is um so let's use another analogy uh than The Keystone although it's it's correct but um just so I can explain something uh without without it becoming too strange but um it's

it's like we have a lock and a key so a puzzle you know or an enigma a riddle and then the the solution to the riddle or the yeah the final uh the way to unlock the riddle okay to get past an obstacle also it's another way to see it because the lock is an obstacle So I think that Christ is the key to the the lock of the universe okay I don't know how to say it I think that's the best way so there's a riddle but the lock itself was also embodied um just

like the key is an embodiment of this principle the lock is also an em it was embodied in the past this lock so as to represent or symbolize the entire mystery of the universe you know It's it's not the actual mystery it's a it's an embodiment of that mystery simp symbol of that represents the whole mystery so this lock I think uh after a while we neglected the lock so it's like once you have the key maybe you think the Lock's not so important anymore because yeah we have the key now why do we need

to bother about the lock right it's true in in a sense but after a while I think what Happened is um because this key is is like a you know like a key you know like a key that opens any lock in the end because the lock represents all locks the lock um so we use the key to unlock many locks and then at one point we kind of focused more on other locks okay um in the history of Christianity like for example we we became interested in science we became interested in all all other

all kinds of Other questions and um what happened is maybe we were able to unlock some of these questions with the key that we had but at one point what happened is we neglected the original lock okay so the lock that embodied The Mystery of the universe you know it was a representation of the mystery of the universe and we kind of neglected that lock and I think at one point we lost it we lost the lock not the key we have the key so So then it's like why don't you talk about the the

key that we have because the key that we have is infinitely more full of light or full of meaning or full of authority it's this it solves every problem so this this key without the lock it gets taken for granted that's that's what I'm saying so even though you have the key if you Don't have the luck you don't realize what this key is capable of un unlocking or answering as as a riddle you know you lost the riddle it's like if if we have an ancient riddle that we've been trying to solve for thousands

of years and then at one point comes a stage where we find the the answer to the riddle okay so that's good now we're all happy about that but then later we kind of neglect the riddle and we have the answer and then later much later we just Have the answer and and not the riddle anymore so the answer is not worth much without the riddle I mean it sounds perhaps a little weird what I'm saying but I think this is what happened so uh it's kind of like in that in that that book you

know uh Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy there's there's so something similar in there you know we're looking for the uh answer to the ultimate question of the universe and everything and then it's like we Calculate that for millions of years and the answer is just 42 okay 42 that's the answer to everything okay H so I mean the people who wrote that book were you you know we're doing it kind of ironically but it's interesting the idea is interesting you know we have the solution but not the question so what is that worth 42 what

is that what is that solution worth not much you know so now we got to find the What was the question again you know what was the question if the answer is 42 so I think we kind of put ourselves in this kind of situation where we have the answer we have the key but we lost the lock we we neglected the lock we let it rust maybe we even at one point kind of just threw it away by the way just like or the inversion of the concept of um the stone rejected by the

builders became the Stone um this says kind of the opposite of that but it's it's related because the stone rejected by the Builder is the riddle okay so there's a riddle keep rejecting it because you don't know how to answer it so what do you do you hide it you you put it under the rug or you you you throw it away you know you reject it you don't know what to do with this this thing this Stone so the stone rejected by the Builder Comes The Pinnacle stone or the Keystone now when it's the

Keystone it represents the solution okay so in in the in the symbolism of The Stumbling Stone there's both symbols there's the symbol of the the riddle or the lock and there's also the symbol of the key or the answer to the the riddle okay so so I think what happened at at one point we forgot the the importance of the lock and we kind of stopped trying to understand it because we think we have The answer and we do that's the thing that's why I'm not hostile that's why what I'm doing is not hostile because

I think or I'm sure actually I have no doubt that the key that we have which is Jesus Christ is the solution to an ancient riddle so this is in this this sense when I say why don't you talk about Christianity it's like there's nothing hostile about what I'm doing there's nothing Adversarial in fact it's the opposite I could you know join everyone who's questioning Christianity in an adversarial way which is a lot of people you know people asking questions of Christianity and what about this issue what about that issue uh you know there's contradictions

in the the Bible Etc you know these are questions that are hostile because the people who ask them don't really want the answer they just Want to find a way to attack something with questions which is what you can do of course so again an example of a stumbling Stone that's adversarial this is this is an example you ask a question in order to destroy the Integrity of something but you don't really want to know the answer this this is why to me debates are kind useless because usually a debate is somebody throwing stones at

you stumbling stones at you but not not willing to listen to the answer or not Willing to do the effort that it takes to understand the answer you know so that's what I want to avoid so what I'm doing is I'm looking for the lock the original lock not the lock that was cared about later the original lock uh the original riddle okay um and because it's lost I think truly lost and this riddle that's why a lot of what I say sounds a lot Like uh Judaism it does it does sound a lot like

Juda I've been told that and it's it's true but it's not it's not because I'm trying to subvert Chandy or anything like that it's the opposite I'm looking for the lock and the lock was written in the language of Judaism It Was Written in that language the Bible is the lock okay the Bible is the Riddle That was supposed to be solved by the Messiah and uh like I said I Think Jesus Did Solve the Riddle Okay but well like I said I'm just repeating myself there but the lock has been lost so we don't

know the value of this key anymore that we have we don't it's like a like it like I said before it's like saying the answer to the universe is 42 and then if you start asking questions well the answer is always 42 no need to ask questions anymore well yeah that's not satisfying okay and it's it's certainly not Satisfying to people who are not who don't believe that this key is the solution it's it's it's not satisfying at all so if you take this key that you have for granted and you and you lose the

lock then it's very hard to convince others that you have you do have the key because without the lock how can you prove that you're have the key how can you prove that this is the key that unlocks that lock and that key might Even unlock other locks but those locks are never going to be as impressive as the original lock the the original lock is very complicated very complex has a bunch of pins in it it's not just a two pin lock you know it's a million pin lock so this key unlocks the whole

big lock okay so so the reason I don't talk about Christianity is not out of disrespect but the opposite out of respect because I'm someone who's looking for that lock So as long as I don't I'm not able to formulate what this lock looks like or can't show it clearly you know it's useless for me to talk about the key that's me that's I I'm not I don't suggest anyone follow into in my footsteps you know I'm not not trying to be a leader or anything like that I'm doing something that I think needs to

be done because soon I think we're going to be faced with people that are maybe our enemy and they do have that Lu and They're going to show it in an adversarial way to us and we won't be able to answer because we don't know how to use the key anymore because we've been not using it with a with that lock but so what I'm trying to do I think is a good thing I think I'm preparing the way for this lock it's it's kind of like what Joseph was doing uh there's going to be

a famine you don't Know that yet so Joseph goes into Exile and he finds the solution to these dreams that he had the dreams were a lock the dreams were the lock okay and the and the interpretation of dream is the key so he had to go and get certain locks in Egypt okay some riddles and then the riddle was the riddle of the Pharaoh that saw the famine in his dream okay the famine is coming we need to prepare so Joseph Shows in advance this problem before it happens like before the famine presents itself

and then it's too late we don't know how to solve it so Joseph kind of goes finds the the riddle which is the pharaoh's dream and then with God help God's help always he solves this riddle using God's key the keys always comes from God but then why is what's the point of all this well the point is to see it in advance now we know in advance that this Famine is coming a famine is a big riddle you know it's hard to you survive that riddle it's hard to survive that problem that obstacle so

if you see it in advance then what do you do you you uh prepare in advance you train for it in advance before the riddle is posed to you and you have to deal with it now so better to see the the riddle before it's time to deal with it and um this is related to the symbolism Of of sleeping okay so sleeping is a training when you sleep you're training for a riddle okay you that you couldn't solve if you had it in real life but you're you're you're doing it in in a tiny

little dream setting a say in the safety of your your own body you know it's like a miniature version of it you're seeing it before it happens okay so so then what what's the advantage of that well Joseph can say while we're in a time of Plenty Which is clearly almost over for us now I mean if we just look at what's happening in the world we have to make a spare of everything okay so that's what Joseph does in Egypt he says so during the seven years of plenty you gather enough food or enough

grain to last for the seven years that are coming okay so this grain this doublet that he's doing for seven years he's Doubling everything keeping one for the future one for now and then this doubling is is the solution to the when it actually happens right so this is an important symbol um it happens in the in the desert when they're they're only eating Mana okay um God says don't accumulate uh during the week but at the end of the week you gather double portion double portion of Mano and this one won't rot because it's

reserved for the future so this double Portion again is to allow for the Sabbath to happen and you have a solution to that problem of resting because when you rest you don't have you don't produce you don't have food so it's similar to that so what I'm doing I'm trying to do is go and get the Riddle That We lost that we neglected show it before it's too late show it before it's time to answer these riddles Um so why am I not talking about Christianity like I said because if I talk about it now

before I even myself understand the riddle it's just going to look like everyone else is attacking Christianity you know it's just going to look like I'm questioning everything questioning Christianity but I'm not really I am question I'm finding the question I'm trying to find the original question that Christ Answers that's what I'm doing so that's the answer to why I don't talk about Christianity it's the opposite of thinking that Christianity is wrong it's thinking that we took it for granted basically and because of it we didn't practice you know we didn't practice unlocking the original

lock then we lost it so the lock that I'm looking for is very complex and uh it's part of it is not Our fault uh why we lost the lock because when Christ was rejected uh in in his time he was rejected right by by his people so what happened is um he became the key to something another problem which is the Nations the problems of the Nations so Jesus became the solution to the problems of the Nations um and for us who are not Jewish let's Say it doesn't matter if this key unlocks problems

that are not ours okay so there's a bunch of laws in the Bible that don't are only for Israelites not for everyone else so if we're not Jewish or if we're not Israelites we don't need to worry about these riddles they're not for us it's not my problem what it means let's say I can find any law in the Bible they're very obscure you know these laws Are obscure and they're to us at least they're they look random they look weird because they're locks um but we don't need to care about those La see that's

the thing cuz they what those laws weren't meant for the Nations they were meant for Israelites so we just ignore those laws who cares what they mean you know it's fine we did nothing wrong on our part as non-israelites we did nothing wrong these laws are not our Problem um some of them are but most of them aren't so Eden Kosher for example you know that's Jews were given this law eoser You Can Eat This Not That okay um Jesus said none of the laws are going to be uh lost not one iot of the

law will be will be abandoned okay he was talking to them when he said that that's the answer to that problem the moment that Christ was rejected is the moment he became the key to other problems okay ours not theirs so you Don't want this solution you don't want this key okay sorry I mean you you decide I can't force you to use this key so now this key becomes the key to other problems okay so the problems all of the Nations so we don't need to understand those laws we don't okay um and some

of the things that we do as Christians seems like Paradox if you read the Bible but only if you interpret it with forgetting what I just said said here is that those laws weren't met for us it's not our problem so you don't need to be kosher you don't need to be circumcised you know all these things that Paul said and some of it Peter too um we can do that we can follow Paul you see it's a paradox it's a big Paradox you know it's not that easy to circumvent it's not that easy it's

possible I think but for us it we can Follow Paul but can Jews follow Paul you know the Jews that received the law that said you must eat Gooser and that also said if anyone tells you not to eat kosher reject them no they the answer is no okay not a lot of people talk about this subject but I will apparently I have to so but they can follow Jesus though see that's the that's the thing they can't follow Jesus because Jesus was the key To that puzzle okay Paul came along to help us use

that key for our puzzles when I say us I mean the Nations and he did a good job too Paul is very brilliant you know uh but for him it was probably a struggle I know I don't know I can't talk to him unfortunately but I mean it was a struggle for him because he was he saw himself as Jewish so all of a sudden you got to abandon these laws but it Says clearly in the law that you're not supposed to do that you're not supposed to abandon these laws but he did so it

was so to me I think it was a struggle for Peter you know Peter receives the vision of the the cloth that that descends and God says eat from this food and it's all kind of uncer food in there so it's pigs and you know eat the pig you know it's like but God two seconds ago you just told me never to eat pig and you said Anyone who contradicts this is you got to reject but now you're telling me eat the pig how's that possible and the answer is what I said the answer is

now as the moment Jesus was rejected is the moment it became for non-jews and these these contradictions aren't contradictions they're only contradictions if you don't if you ignore what I just said so so what I'm part of what I'm trying To do uh um is to see Jesus as the key to the original lock which is the Bible all of it all the laws so Paul was so conflicted with this idea that he had to abandon his identity as a he's a benjaminite that's why it happened to him too because Benjamin is a special tribe

you know um it was such a conflict for him that he basically went blind and crazy you know a little Bit because you know he went blind what he saw was so high it was higher than what he could handle so he saw a light so bright that he fell off his horse so that's usually not good thing if you fall off your horse like that blinded it doesn't mean you understood something it means you didn't it means you saw something too big for you and you fell it's a falling uh story he fell okay

but it's seen positively for us because we or benefit from his fall you see Um these are Big I'm talking about big big riddles here okay uh I think I have to do it but so Paul it was such an intense Paradox for him that he basically saw himself as a clown like I'm a fool I'm a fool for Christ you know if I praise myself it'll be because of my sin he says things like you know though a clown is someone who or a gter is someone Who is not trying to make laws fit

with facts okay you want the definition of a clown a clown is someone who accepts the idea that things don't fit and he sees makes that into a positive narrative okay because a clown like clown with his big shoes you know why wearing big shoes they too big for you yeah that's the whole point of a clown it's he saw something that was too big for something too small or it can be the other way around it doesn't matter but then Instead of being stressed negatively stressed about it he saw it as a positive thing

okay he solved the riddle as a clown and he says so himself so it's not me insulting him he's and this is you know this is part of the the symbolis is M of Benjamin by the way I mean this is important stuff here I don't know why nobody's talking about these these things but um Benjamin receives one name from his mother and One name from his father so he's got two identities so his mother calls him Ben oi which is like son of my pain she has when she has him she dies so it's

a big deal so it's like almost a curse that she's giving his her son you know you're a son of pain and suffering you know U and then his father says no I'm going to call you Ben Jim which means son of my right hand so Benjamin has two names two Conflicting names two opposite names okay so this is part of the nature of Benjamin this is why Paul was a benjaminite I mean he God chooses people who fit the bill you know when he has certain missions to do uh and this is Paul you

know he was an of Christ at first so this is Ben o Ben son of my pain for us and then he flipped he he fell off the horse this is story of a fall it's like he ate from the Tree of knowledge of good and bad That's what H that's what it means he ate something too he saw something too big for him to handle as in the way as he was at that time and made him fall and blind become blind so that's his second name he received his second name son of my

right hand so it's like he has two conflicting identities and how does he deal with it well we we know we know from his letters he calls himself a fool you know a fool is someone who contradicts himself and and and sees it As good it's a good because he understood a deep mystery we don't necessarily need to understand what what he understood um at this point anyway it's our whole history is based on Paul you know Paul wrote almost more stuff in the New Testament than anyone else so we can't ignore him and we

shouldn't ignore him we don't need to ignore him so now the question is um how can Jews be Christian see that's Another issue because they did receive those laws so do they all become fools like Paul I don't think so maybe that Paul had a specific role to play clearly he did became the Apostle of the Nations so he tailored his vision you know to the Nations so it's a big problem we're fa faced with a big problem not we see that's the thing well this is what Happened to me at one point I I

I asked myself um about Jews you know why aren't they Christian that's what I question I asked myself a long time ago and uh unfortunately for me I'm I'm meticulous you know I don't accept answers that cover something just to cover it you know I can need the real answer so so you know I learned Hebrew did all these things learned all these things I'm still learning you know uh I decided Talk to Stu at one point you know what do they have to say about it you know no I discovered a lot of things

um about the problem you know some of them are are dealing with this problem slow in slow motion so so that's what I'm doing uh I think what I'm doing is also is a benefit to Christians for the reason I said before because we need to See the riddle before it's presented to us in a um adversarial manner so that's the reason I don't talk about Christianity it's not out of disrespect it's the opposite so if I ever find a way to explain the lock clearly I'm doing it slowly you know it's not all all

in one shot then then I'll use the key to unlock it you know I am confident that the key unlocks it I already know I already know the key unlocks it That doesn't mean I can explain it you know but sometimes you can understand something for yourself that doesn't mean you can explain it to everyone else that's obvious I mean in any other domain we understand this in any other field of study we understand this you know if you study like I did mathematics you know I can understand something but I not going to be

able to explain it to someone who hasn't studied Mathematics how am I going to do that I could pretend I could do the thing I know I can go through the motion of explaining it to someone who's never had any experience in higher mathematics I know already he's not going to understand it's useless so it's an insult actually to do that to the person it's an insult to the person hearing it it's like why am I talking to you about something you never studied before insulting okay um so you don't do that So what do

you do instead you you try to explain it gradually and slowly and and until you're able to explain it to anyone who wants to hear it then once you've done that you hope they read what you wrote or whatever you know they they they looked at the lessons that you presented to explain these things and then after that you give the solution you know there you go so to to give the solution to a Question that that we don't know what it is is dumb for me but it's not it's not the problem of all

Christians I don't expect all every Christian to be like me I hope not actually don't follow me you know it's just I put myself in in this situation a long time ago and now I can't get out of it I'm stuck okay it's okay I mean I'm not suffering or that much I'm suffering sometimes but um I don't think anyone should follow me you know into the Pit but I'm not I'm not trying to be a leader or anything like that I'm doing something very specific but now I'm explaining what it is so people know

I'm trying to find the lock this lock by the way is the Grail hey this is the Grail it's the question the question the original question that killed Jesus and it the blood flowed into that question but what we want now is not for that question to kill Jesus again you know what why do That when I say kill Jesus in this context I mean attack Christianity so it already happened once in the past that Jesus was attack the Messiah was attacked by these questions there's no reason to do that again it's not I mean

we we kind of lost the Grail at one point but we don't need to use that occasion to attack Christianity against a lot of people are doing it I'm not want add myself to do everyone who's Attacking Christianity right now like which is like everyone you know so I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing I hope it makes sense what I'm saying it doesn't sound completely insane it's not uh so I'm going to keep working what I'm working there's things that I I have to explain so now I'm trying to explain the Grail which is

sleep which is rest renewal the stone that was rejected by the builders um the stone that Moses hit with his Staff you know God says asks the stone for water Moses is impatient he hits the stone with his staff and he still gets water you know but it's not in a good way and because of his refused to go into the promised land so you got to be careful with that stuff you know you don't hit the stone with that gives that renews you you don't hit it especially when God says what to do which

is ask the stone for water if you don't need water you don't have to ask the stone For water if you do you ask but you don't hit it so this is what happened to Jesus you know he was hit with the staff of Moses and he still renewed still did it the job that the stone does but not in a good way in a negative way it's same thing with Cain and Abel no Abel was supposed to renew things for Cain and but Cain decided instead to hit him with his Lance you know his

uh his Weapon um and he bled out and his blood renewed the land still see that's the thing it it happen still Jesus still renewed but in in a negative way that leads to some Tri tribulations and some exile for the people who who did hit him so I hope that explains why I don't talk about Christianity it's it's it's a respect you know it's it's out of respect for because I already know the key is the Key I already know I don't need to prove I do we do need to prove that this is

the key to the lock but without the lock you can't do that so what happens when you don't have the original lock is it becomes it it sometimes becomes superficial you know because it's like yeah Jesus has answered everything oh let's read the story in the Old Testament and then it's like let's say read the story of Samson okay well this just a prototype of Christ or it's I Don't remember the word that's used usually it's not prototype it's something else a pre do you know the word it's a people use to say that it's

a something that happened before Christ but it was like a I don't know the word can you help me blanking on it too are you thinking like type in like typology typology you know it's pre-type or something like that I I don't sometimes my English is not so Great but it's a you know what I mean yeah so but sometimes it's too superficial you know you can't always just do that it's not false though but oh this is the type of Christ it's all Sam is a type of Christ okay please explain to me okay

because he died or because I agree that it is that's what I'm saying I'm not attacking see now I'm talking about Christian I'm already sounds like I'm attacking it I'm not but the answer is a lot deeper than people think that's what I'm saying okay Christ is the key to all the problems in the Bible to all the laws into everything but it's the the answer is a lot more powerful and deeper then people think when they explain certain things a little bit superficially so so the reason I don't speak about it is because like

I said I don't want to Sound like I'm attacking Christianity because that's not what I'm doing and I'm not even attacking Christians because like I said a lot of the a lot of the um the um the riddle the original riddle okay it's not our problem because we're not Jew Jewish we don't need to know these things we don't need to an make sense of the laws because they're not for us so a lot of It doesn't we don't need to but I think we're reaching a point in history now where we are going to

have to answer these questions so so like I said before that happens I'm trying to show it show the like a dream you know a dream that's a premonition you know a dream that's a the dream is showing you the problem before it happens so you know what to do when it happens like Joseph so that's what I'm doing I hope that makes it sound it's I Probably sounds everything I just said probably sounds crazy but no it makes a lot of sense it does okay yeah you make me feel better okay because you know

this there's lots of things I don't talk about you know because I know it's it's not going to be helpful you know you don't talk about things that aren't aren't helpful I think this now I have to do talk about this stuff uh so I am but if you say it makes sense I'm glad yeah it makes sense it's quite Beautiful actually okay thank you so that was the answer to that I hope I'm not gonna I hope I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and I go too fast I go too slow you

know whatever I'm looking for I know already that's the thing because there's different levels of understanding you know you can have a glimpse of things that doesn't you can explain it like I said before you know I had a long long times ago I had some Insights when I was 20 you know I had Mega insights about let's say like a vision I don't like that word but that's what it was basically you know it took me 20 years to understand some of it most of it took me this long so I could have just

got back then gone crazy you know St talking about my vision you like a lot of people do by the way and then it's just confusion and craziness you know but that doesn't mean that the person who got the vision doesn't get it He probably does but the when he tries to express it because sometimes it's not time yet to talk about certain things it's not time just like why didn't Christ appear right after the fall that would have solved a lot of problems right I mean there's the fall why didn't God just send Jesus

right away oh problem solved we see because there things happen in their time because because the problem of the Fall had to express Itself fully before the solution to it made any sense and in the in the Bible you know in Genesis the the culmination of this problem is actually the the Fallen Angels the the Giants the Nephilim that's like the culmination of the problem of the fall at the end there It's Like These Guys these Giants which are unions of angels and humans hybrids it created all kinds of problems in the world and these

problems had to be Solved and they were solved by Jesus okay later when it was time not not before so that's the thing I'm doing some something like that you know you don't say things before it's time it's just common sense really you know I'm not that weird I think I'm doing normal things I think other people are not doing the right thing actually you know Sometimes some people who occultists are are an example of that there talk about things that they know when it's not Time why I don't because they whatever reason it doesn't

matter what the reason is really I shouldn't even need to think about that but some occultists have more knowledge than some Christians okay but that doesn't mean it's better it's like it's like uh buying something on credit you know you borrow money I borrow money to buy this big mansion let's say Okay a million dollar mansion I borrow all the money and I bought buy this million dooll mansion am I better than the guy who owns a little house there you know a100 $100,000 house you know rural area am I better than him because I

have a gigantic Mansion no because I borrowed for it it's worthless it's worse than nothing I it'd be better if you had nothing than this house that borred with a millions of dollars you know it's not really yours so occultism is like that You know it's like you have a power that is not yours that was lent to you by an entity that you don't really know this is what happens when you borrow money too this money or this power is be being able to be used by you but you don't know all the implications

because like I said you know previous discussion the the one who lent you the money owns your soul right now he owns Your identity your soul so you might think you're using this power that looks like it's more you know the guy who bought a a $100,000 house with his own money owns more than me that borrowed all this money to buy the Mansion so this is how you understand some of the occultism you know it's the occultism is like the guy who borrowed $10 million and bought a mansion and it looks like he sometimes

has more than the other one but he has Much much less in fact he has a million millions of dollars of debt which is worth worse than not it's worse than having nothing actually a bigger is better than this guy you know so it's just an example of things happen in their time you know maybe the guy can get the Mansion but in it's time he's trying to get it before it's time he's B has to borrow money from an unknown uh entity that might be Adversarial to him and the moment there's a problem he

gets crushed by this entity you know uh this lender of power this lender so I think that's an important lesson to learn here so everything in its time God God is someone who works slowly you know all the Bible is about that really it's kind of annoying actually when you read the Bible it's mostly about it's not time yet it's not time yet it's not time yet you want to do something God is like No not now later Tower of Babel is an example of that you know trying to build build this Empire it's not

time yet that's why it's wrong it's not wrong to build the the tower it's wrong because it's not time yet so it gets swept away and then Abraham's life is all of Abraham's life is about that you know God promises something and it's like am i g to get the what you promise no not yet not yet not yet not yet and eventually God you know he he makes him Fall asleep to reveal this and it's like yeah you're going to get it but 400 years from now crushing that's a crushing uh blow you know

to your your plans you know I told you this I promise you this but it's going to be in 400 years and even then a lots of struggle in between so you know God functions like that we just have to accept it it's that's my way of thinking now you know so I hope this helps PE some people Somewhere someone somewhere to understand something more I'm sure it will okay so yeah thanks for letting me explain myself on this no thank you for because you asked me about Mary in in the what our previous talk

and I said I wasn't going to talk and I felt like maybe it sounds like I'm you know attacking Christianity or something you know because then I say I don't want to talk about Mary but then I Talk about things that sound like Judaism you know and it does it is so it's like are you a Jew you know are you is that what you are you know no it's not it's not so I think I had to explain myself I hope it makes sense yeah it does um it's very profound actually so thanks I

really appreciate you um wanting to talk more about that yeah well there's going to be more you know when it's time for me when I'm going to talk about these Questions I'm sure it'll annoy some people you know but that's everything anyone does always annoys people so there's not much you can do about that so I'm just going to do what I I think I have to do maybe in a couple of years it'll it'll be a little more obvious what I'm trying to do but for now I'm doing this book so book about dreams

that's what I'm doing so hopefully by the end of the winter I should have that finished that I hope very cool is there anything else you wanted to mention uh no I think I'm done now for a while probably awesome well it was great talking to you again yeah same here okay thank you thanks byebye bye