⁠ ​@RuslanKD Joins @MikeWinger On Being WRONG About Micah Turnbo @BeholdWonder (PART 2)

This is part two of the Mike Winger, Micah Turnbo, and now Rouselon controversy. By the way, this is the Sea of Napoli. That's Mount Vuvius over there. That's the volcano that erupted and buried Pompei, which was right down there. The lore about that volcano goes all the way back to Spartacus before Christ. And there's a Roman city buried here under the water. And here's a medieval castle built by the Angan Dynasty here in Naples. I'm related to the 12th century Angan dynasty through the D'Angio line. It's pretty wild being able to study church history while

living it. Praise God. This is my daughter playing in the Gulf of Napoli. And earlier today, I went to give her a hug and she pushed me away. And I asked the Holy Spirit, "What are you trying to teach me?" Because I could feel a teaching moment coming on. And he said, "This is how I feel when my people Push me away when I'm trying to be intimate with them. You're making God feel the way my daughter made me feel today. And the point of this video is to try to get you to stop pushing

him away and let him love you the way he wants to love you, not the way you think it looks. All right. Now, I'm going to crush Mike Winger and Rouselon so hard in this video it might end their careers. That's not my goal, but this stuff needs to come out. This is not a Defense of Micah Turnbo. Ironically, he's a full-g grown man and he can defend himself if he chooses to, which he does not choose to. This is a defense of the gospel itself. I am not upset or offended on behalf of Micah

Turnbo. I am upset and offended that Christian teachers out there are downplaying the intimacy that God wants to have with his bride. And you'll have to excuse me if this comes off as arrogant or egotistical. The word of God lives in my Bones like fire. Shut up, begging to come out. Woe to me if I don't preach the gospel. I'm not going to apologize for being passionate about this no more than John the Baptist would. Get over it. This is war. If you're not equipped for the brutality of it, go find another channel. I can

recommend Mike Winger and Rouselon who are feeding you milk. Micah Turnbo comes to you with gentleness and you call him a heretic. I come to you with aggression and you call me a Heretic. Jesus came drinking wine and you called him a drunkard. John the Baptist didn't drink wine and you called him odd. If Micah's gentleness is not evidence of his fruit of the spirit, then my aggression isn't against me either. You can't have it both ways, you hypocrites. Despite his gentleness, you have to evaluate him based on whether or not what he is saying

is true. And despite my passion, you have to do the same with me. Are they gone? Did we get Rid of the folks who don't actually want to know what's going on? Let's continue on to the meat. And for those of you who are new to my content like Rouselon and Mike Winger, I am not just a Christian. I am a belligerent truth seeker. I do not subscribe to a systematic theology. I subscribe to a command line Christianity, more akin to Linux. And I feel you're more akin to something like a Mac operating system. This

is going to be very frustrating for you because this Is going to break the box that you've put God in. I came to Christ because I prioritized whatever was actually true and I searched the world for seven years. As an atheist in medical school, I read all the religious texts on earth. The Quran, the Bavad Gita, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Book of Mormon, all three Bibles, the Protestant 66, the Catholic 74, that's 73 plus two half chapters, and the Ethiopian 83 to 89, plus the Gnostic Gospels, all of which Are saved by

works heresies. And I fell into the trap of intellectualism. Praise God, he's given me an intellect. I have a 164 IQ and a photographic memory. And I fell into the trap that I'm accusing you guys of. God sent a friend of mine named Trent to interrupt my own intellectual folly and teach me to have a relationship with God, to hear the Holy Spirit, and to subjugate my mind under the governance of my spirit and my spirit under the governance of the Holy Spirit. Just like the Ethiopian unic was searching the word but needed the Holy

Spirit to understand it. I was trying to learn Greek and Hebrew and break the Bible down with my brain. God sent Trent just like he sent Philillip. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and it finally started to make sense. This stuff is straight out of scripture. My accusation against Mike Winger and Rouslon now is that they didn't have this part of the process happen to them Yet. The reason I understand the trap that you guys are falling into is because I fell into it too. And praise God, he reached down and pulled me out.

Now, I have a very low respect for the intellect because compared to the server of heaven, it's an old Nokia phone trying to connect. The power is not in the computer, it's in its access to the internet. And furthermore, the operating system that you've installed on your machine determines how the information From the server is parsed. Is what I'm doing dangerous? Yes. The gospel itself is dangerous. The Bible itself is a sword. Christianity itself is a war. And so again, I have to tell you to go ahead and get over it or go back to

the Milky teachings. I am frustrated with some of you the way Paul is frustrated in Hebrews 5. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk and Not solid food. For everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice. Distinguish good from evil. Mike Winger and Rouselon are studied in the word,

but they don't have experience in war. If you want to prove me wrong, come do some exorcisms with me. I would love to see you flounder through the process. Now, I would take no joy in seeing you flounder for the sake of embarrassment, but for the sake of humility, yes, indeed. If it would humble you to accept that you have no idea how the spiritual world works, praise God because then you might become teachable in these things and then your powers of discernment can be trained by constant practice. You've studied the sword of war, but

you have not implemented it in actual warfare. Your sword is not dripping with blood Like some of us. You're just teaching master classes on swordmaking. The powers of intellect regarding the written word is not what this is talking about. The power of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil is what this is talking about. Mike Winger and Rouselon are not practiced in the art of war. And so yes, excuse me if I'm frustrated that some of you guys are listening to them. They have their place. They are in a desert Season of

their faith, but they are now trying to throw stones at people who are in the promised land talking about things they have no idea about. For example, Rouselon is financially in the promised land, and I've just now arrived out of the desert. It would be foolish of me to try to give him promised land principle advice when all I know is the desert lessons. But in their faith, they are in the desert. And people like Micah Turnbo are far advanced into the Promised land. It is inappropriate for them to speak out of season about things

they do not understand. As a matter of fact, that's literally their argument. I don't understand this. It doesn't make common sense to me. Therefore, it's wrong. That's like an atheist trying to teach a course on Christianity. Mike Winger has no place trying to tell anyone about the spiritual world. He doesn't know anything about it. He is not trained in constant practice of Discernment. He's an example of the church who lost their first love. They're doing a lot right. Praise God. But he's using his intellect of the Bible to try to tell you that God does

not want to be intimate with you. If that's not the textbook definition of losing your first love, I don't know what is. Now, let's jump into it. First off, Rouselon, I would like you to give your brother, Mike Winger, a kiss. Are you going to say no? Are you going to Say that that's homosexual? Let's wait for some more people to leave. Now, I tried to create an image of Mike Winger and Rouselon kissing on the lip, but hey, I wasn't having any of that. Boy, did I try. And the reason I want to show

you this depiction is because it's completely biblical. And I want you to wrestle with why you think it's so disgusting. Mike, where does it say men should kiss on the lips in the Bible? Five different places, actually. First Peter 5:14, greet one another with a kiss of love. First Thessalonians 5:26, greet all of God's people with a holy kiss. Is that all of God's people? All of God's people. Is that am I is all people? Men, women, children. 2 Corinthians 13:12, "Greet one another with a holy kiss." 1 Corinthians 16:20, "All the brothers and sisters

here send you greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss." Romans 16:16, "Greet one another with a holy kiss." All the Churches of Christ send greeting. All the churches of Christ send greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss. You know what this is? This is a John 6 moment. Eat my flesh and drink my blood. a hard teaching that will cause many to turn away. But my understanding is that God wants the ones who claim to love him to buy into a deeper intimacy with him. It might not mean this. It might not mean

what I'm saying, but your heart posture should be towards God. Whatever It means, yes and amen. You, Lord, are the one with the words of life. Where else can we go? If God means to kiss each other on the lips as a greeting, then yes and amen. if he means to kiss each other on the cheek. Yes and amen. But good luck figuring out historically which one it is because I've found reputable sources to both extremes. Now, in the verse alone, if we read it plainly, it has to mean a kiss on the lips. And

here's why. Because it is a Single kiss, a kiss, not multiple kisses, one kiss. And there's two people greeting each other with one kiss. How can two people kiss each other simultaneously on the cheek? Maybe if you kissed my cheek here and I kissed your cheek here, but that's pretty close. That's pretty intimate. That's pretty homosexual, at least according to you guys. It makes more sense that if it's a single kiss with two people kissing, it has to be on the lips. And What if it is? Are you no longer a Christian? Is your entire

faith so weak that this one issue will derail it? If God meant to greet each other with a holy kiss? If Peter and Paul kissed on the lips, if Mike Winger and Rouselon kissed on the lips and this was pleasing to God, you're no longer a Christian. Is your belief and unbelief separated by an inch here or here? Or maybe the problem is that you don't know what good and evil looks like according to God because After eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we all call what is good evil and what

is evil good. And the way to distinguish good from evil is to have your powers of discernment trained by constant practice. Is it possible that the reason you're having trouble discerning good from evil is because you don't have your power of discernment trained by constant practice? Repentance means to love what God loves and hate what God hates. And this is where your Definitions of good and evil come from. It's a fixing of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Whatever God loves is good. Whatever God hates is evil. And there you go. Your perfect

definitions of good and evil. But it comes through relationship with Christ, knowing his character, then your power of discernment is trained by constant practice. But if you're pushing away the intimacy of Christ, you don't have a deep relationship with Christ, and so You're going to struggle with what is good and evil. You're going to default to your mind of what makes sense to you, not what God said in his word. Did the disciples not lay their head on Jesus's chest? That sounds pretty gay to me. Maybe the disciples were homosexual. Cuz that's the logic that

this road takes you down. Mike Winger and Rouselon, I would like you to admit that if Christ meant a kiss on the lips with these five separate verses in different books from Different authors, that a holy kiss is on the lips that you hereby renounce your Christianity. This is John 6 all over again. Jesus saying something that is extremely intimate. Eat my flesh and drink my blood. It doesn't get much more intimate than that. And some people took him literal physical and some people took him literal spiritual. And some people understood that the physical was

a mirror of the spiritual. Just like all the parables, Jesus wasn't talking about Bread. He was saying like yeast swells up a piece of bread, so pride swells up the heart. He leaves you the choice to take his words literally, physically, or literally spiritually. For instance, the Catholics take that verse in John 6, literal, physical. Even though 2 Corinthians 5:16 says, "From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh, even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer." That kills the Eucharist. Why are none of

us greeting each other with a holy kiss anymore? Is that weird? Is it weird if I go or your Christianity dependent on if I or if I would you kiss me on the cheek? The Bible tells you to in five different places. Would you let me kiss you on the cheek? What if I went in for a kiss on the lips? Are you going to renounce your Christianity? If your Christianity is so weak that this is what it relies on, I would argue you're Not really a Christian. And this is again John 6. Some people

took him literal physical and they walked away. Some people took him literally spiritually and they understood that he was talking about the spirit which he says right there in the verse John 6:63 I think it is. The words I have spoken to you which are eat my flesh and drink my blood are full of spirit and life. The flesh counts for nothing. Catholics always stop short of that verse. But What about the words I've spoken to you greet each other with a holy kiss. What if you get to heaven and Jesus wants to kiss you

on the lips? What if that's what the holy kiss is? What do you think a king would do if he went to lift his wife's veil and kiss her on the lips on their wedding day and she turned her cheek to him? You think he's going to be satisfied with that level of intimacy when she's his bride? The reason I'm harping so much on this one point is Because if Mike Winger is so ignorant of scripture on this one point and he hinged so much of his argument on this one point, why are you listening

to him about the rest? I'm gonna go through every single thing he said about Micah Turnbo and show you where in scripture it's possible. I'm not saying it's plausible. It may be unscriptural. I don't agree with everything Micah says. It drives me nuts trying to figure out the stuff he's talking about, but I Don't think it's unbiblical. I just think it stretches my understanding of what's written, not outside of what's written or against it, which is what Rouslon and Mike Winger are claiming. Now, let's go through Rouselon's comments so you guys can understand how he

fits into this. And by the way, let me give you a quick promised land principle about this type of thing. Some of you guys in the comments are saying, "I've lost my credibility by backing Micah Turnbo." I'm not backing Micah Turnbo. I'm trying to clarify that God wants to love you well and that your understanding of what that means and what that looks like is being determined by your mind rather than through the Holy Spirit. Forget Micah Turnbo. I love him, but I love Mike Winger, too, and I love Rouselon. I have no problem throwing

him under the bus. I threw dead hidden under the bus. No problem at all cutting ties with heretics. I'll be the First to let you know when Micah Turnbo crosses that line. This has literally nothing to do with Micah Turnbo. I'm using this as an opportunity to show you that God does want to be intimate with you. And these weak teachers that are feeding you milk don't understand what that looks like and they're falsely advising you on it. Now, to you people who say you've unfollowed me and blah blah blah, I'm losing my audience. Praise

the Lord God Almighty. This is a Good sign in scripture when people walk away from hard teachings. When Tik Tok was deleted for 12 hours, I thought I lost my audience and I was happy about that. It's exhausting doing this. My wife and my daughter are on the beach right now enjoying the golf and I'm here making a video for you guys on my phone. Unfollow me. I don't care. I'll just go live my life. I'm trying to do this to help you absolute fools. Man, people are so stupid. Lord help me. But let me

Share a little promised land principle about growth for those of you still in the desert. The harder you try to kill me, the bigger I'll get. They tried to cancel Jesus with the cross. And look what happened. The marketing strategy of the gospel is and has always been and will always be welltimed chaos. So go ahead. I love your souls. I don't care about the numbers. These videos aren't even monetized. Let's see if Rouselon monetizes his response. Which is fine. It's 1 Corinthians 9. I'm not bombing him for it. He has the right to reap

carnal things from you if he's sown things spiritually among you. My complaint against him is not that he's swn spiritual things among you. He's swn intellectual things into you, mimedics. But that's another topic. Here's what he said on the comments of my video. So Rouselon here in the first comment is straw manning me. He's trying to juxtapose the position that Micah Turnbo May have a demonic spirit versus Mike Winger teaching from his mind and which one would be worse. Mike Winger teaching from his mind would be worse than Micah Turnbo teaching from a demonic spirit

because you can easily test things that come from demonic spirits. Do you confirm that Christ came in the flesh? 1 John 4. By the way, I do confirm that Christ came in the flesh, died for my sins, was buried, rose again on the third day, and is now seated at the Right hand of God, who he somehow also is, God incarnate. Christ is my Lord and Savior. Affirm the correct gospel of the Bible. If Micah Turnbo is being possessed by a demonic spirit or even influenced by it, this would show that he's already in the

promised land fighting the giants. He's just getting his butt kicked. Rouselon is saying it's better to listen to someone in the desert than someone who's already in the promised land because they're struggling To learn to fight the giants. He's saying it's better to drink the milk than choke on the meat. But choking on the meat is how you learn to chew it. It's messy, which is why it looks so very messy. If Micah Turnb's teachings are demonic, at least he's practicing the spiritual art of warfare, just not doing it very well. But he is far

above anyone who's using their mind to interpret the scriptures. In other words, Rouselon is trying to get you to Pick the unic before he received the Holy Spirit and the Ethiopian unic after he received the Holy Spirit because now there's demons trying to mix the message. Predictably, he's telling you to take the safe choice over the dangerous one. But war is dangerous. Next point. All right, comment two. He's strawmaning me again. He's not trying to do it. He's trying to be intellectually honest. I can tell his heart here is to try to be constructive, but

he doesn't Understand what I'm talking about. He thinks I'm talking about gnosticism. The Gnostics claim to have gotten their knowledge outside of scripture, but kind of inside of scripture, too. Because inside of scripture, it says that Jesus revealed private revelations to the disciples. It's just that then the disciples went and wrote it down and told us what he told them. So, it really is in the New Testament, but the Gnostics were claiming that there was Extra hidden knowledge that Christ gave the disciples that they now possessed. This is why the Catholic Church got its name.

This is not the Roman Catholic Church that comes 1500 years later at the Council of Trent. This is the early universal church and that's not orthodoxy either because orthodoxy assumes one truth rather than seasonal salvation which is Egypt, desert, promised land, death, burial, resurrection, justification, Sanctification, glorification. So the truth isn't exactly orthodox. There is one truth and it is Jesus Christ. But for example, is the Bible telling you to flee from sin or to resist sin and it will flee or to put to death the desires of the flesh? Because it says all three of

those things. So which one is it? In Egypt, you flee from sin. In the desert, you haven't yet resisted to the point of bloodshed. And in the promised land, you sell your cloak, buy a sword, and fight The giants, which means put to death the desires of the flesh. People who are still in the desert of these seasons should not criticize people coming out of Egypt because it was just them yesterday. They should also not throw stones at people who are already ahead of them in the promised land. I'm not trying to pull some sort

of spiritual rank or appeal to authority or just trust me, bro, cuz I'm in the promised land and you're in the desert. But look At it. Think about it. Rouselon Mike Winger, come join me on an exorcism. Let's see if you know what you're doing. Let's see if your spiritual discernment is sharp through constant practice in actual warfare, as the Bible says. My guess is it's not. So, no, I'm not promoting new age. I think Bethl's heretical. I am the first one to call out false prophets. As a matter of fact, I've been doing it

so much lately that people have been starting to brand me as Someone who just constantly rebukes everyone. I'm not trying to. The wicked practices of Bethl like grave soaking are right up there with the cult of relics of Catholicism. This all came from Montinus in the early church. Again, like I said in my first video, he died a heretic with demonic babings about prophecy that never came true. The charismatic movement as a whole is extremely dangerous, but it is more mature than intellectualizing scripture, Not less. That's why it's so dangerous because you're fighting the giants

in the promised land and you're getting your butt kicked. Now, here he's talking about the rules of life. He's saying in the spiritual world, it doesn't mean to shut off your brain. It literally says, "Let your mind be governed by your spirit. It's an order of operation. It's submission." He doesn't understand what I'm talking about. I actually sympathize with him. I hate to break him down like This. He's trying to take desert principles and apply them in the promised land. This is like the inverse of the prosperity gospel. The prosperity gospel is telling you to

take promised land principles and implement them in Egypt to become the most highly paid slave in Egypt. and never go through the desert. That's what's so wicked about Joel Olstein. He's telling you to do the right thing in the wrong season. Rouselon is accidentally doing the same Thing. He's teaching from a desert faith position and trying to shame promised land folks for not following desert principles. He's not entirely wrong for this. If you forget the lessons of the desert when you are in the promised land, you get sent back into exile. You need to remember

the desert lessons. That's why you went through the desert first. See, we ask for things and we don't realize that if God gave us what we asked for, we would be crushed under The weight of it. We ask God for a skyscraper and he starts digging a hole and we get frustrated like, "Hey man, you're supposed to be building up. Why are you digging down?" And he says, "Well, in this season, you have to build the foundation first. Then in the next season, we'll build a skyscraper on that foundation. Otherwise, you have a skyscraper on

sand and it's going to fall over." Jesus literally talks about this in the Bible, building your house On the foundation of the rock. But we get frustrated through the desert season because we want the promised land goodies. But if he gave us the promised land goodies when we asked for it without the ability to hold the weight of that blessing, it would destroy us. Rouselon and Mike Winger have weak faith. I don't think they're out there praying for people's healings. I don't think they're out there casting out demons. I think they're online filming Videos about

the Bible, which I mean, like, praise God. It's good for the season they're in, and their teachings are good for the people with them and behind them. But where they're getting into trouble is speaking authoritatively out of season. This is ironic. If you guys know anything about my content, my whole thing is that we're saved by grace through faith for every good work, which is the conclusion he's coming to here, but he doesn't know my content. But Let's play devil's advocate for a second. Rouselon is saying the number of verses matter, which no, they don't.

If it says it once, it's the word of God. And James 2:22 clearly says we're justified by works. Rouselon is saying you can throw that away because there's more verses that say we're saved by grace and faith rather justified by grace and justified by faith versus like justified by grace through faith. This is disingenuous. I don't realize if you Know what you're doing here. You're trying to get around the point I made by using the number of verses that say one versus the other. And thus you're demonstrating the problem with intellectualization. You've come up with

a formula. Now you call it scripture interpreting scripture, but that's not what that is. You're disregarding scripture based on other scripture. And Jesus clearly says you can't do that. He's saying here that Mike Winger is not A Calvinist. I already know that. He has a whole video on it. I'm saying that Mike Winger is like a Calvinist because he subscribes to a systematic theology. Problem with subscribing to systematic theologies is it puts you in a box. One thing changes everything. Like for instance, Catholicism is like the quintessential example of this. The tail wagging the dog

rather than the dog wagging the tail. If you accept the one truth, which it's not true, that 1 Timothy 3:15 is saying the Catholic Church, specifically the Roman Catholic Church is the pillar of truth. Therefore, you have to change your entire theology across the board. It's a hostile takeover of your mimemetic seat government in your head. Now you're into marology. Now you're into the cult of relics. Now you're bowing to a 500-year-old severed petrified woman's head and asking her to pray for you. A lot changes when you accept one truth. This is the problem with

systematic theology. It hinges on certain things needing to be true. And if one thing tumbles, the whole house of cards comes down. This is why Catholicism leads to atheism. This is why Italy is full of atheists who think they're Catholics because Catholicism started here. Roman Catholicism started here, as a matter of fact, and they accepted the entire house of cards. And when one of them fell, the whole thing came tumbling down. Now, God Doesn't even exist because a priest molested their child. I would argue that you're supposed to read the Bible and as he said,

let the Bible interpret the Bible. But as we see in the Bible, the interpreter of scripture is the Holy Spirit. Test all things as the Bible says. Do not accept anyone's cookie cutter Christianity. You're not a Calvinist. You're not a Catholic. Paul says, "Stop saying you're of this person or that person. Are we not all of Christ?" Be a Christian. And that word is used three times in scripture. Be a follower of the way and test all things to see if they're true. Test them against the word of God. But not just through the intellect

of reading it, but through the Holy Spirit spiritually discerning it. Here Rouselon is saying that yes, all creation testifies except for sex. Sex has nothing to do with salvation, has nothing to do with the intimacy of God. It's just an anomaly Floating out there that God created for our own enjoyment. Everyone believes God wants to be intimate with us. And his last sentence here is a good point. Of course, that doesn't mean I have to entertain someone else's imagination on the merits of trust me, bro. God said, "Totally agreed. Test all things." This is actually

my point against systematic theology. What I'm saying is you're doing the same thing when you say, "God said this in the Bible through the Vessel of your mind." This is literally my entire point. When you get online and do a Bible teaching, you're saying, "Trust me, bro. God said in his word," and then you interpret it through the vessel of your mind. It's problematic. Mike Winger has turned the Bible into a mathematical formula. writing down all the verses as variables and then trying to pump out some sort of summation, which is all an intellectual circle

jerk. The Holy Spirit is the one that Discerns these things. And because you guys are using your mind and not reading it like children, you do not understand what it's saying. And I'm about to show you. Sex has nothing to do with salvation. Huh? Hyperliteral view of scripture. Are we not children in the womb of this world that the great physician has come to deliver so we can see our father? Yeah. Nothing to do with pregnancy. The earth will shudder in labor pains. That's hyper literal, bro. It's not talking about pregnancy. Should I crawl back

into my mother's womb? Nicodemus was taking him literal physical when he meant literal spiritual. This is always the case. This is the big problem with Catholicism. Taking it literal physical when it was supposed to be literal spiritual. Both are literal. One's physical, one's spiritual. the Old Testament, the New Testament, the plain language of the parables, and then the interpretation of The parables, physical, spiritual. Physical sex is a mirror of spiritual salvation. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying God wants to have sex with you. That would be the same mistake of Catholics thinking you have

to eat the physical Eucharist. I'm saying that physical sex between a husband and wife is a mirror of the intimacy God does want to have with you spiritually. And we're going to get into the deep teachings of this in a minute. I've Accused these guys of teaching you milk. So, I'm going to teach you some meat far beyond the level of anything they possibly understand. And in doing so, I'm going to show you that these guys have their place in their season. But why you should not be listening to them at all regarding anything about

the spiritual world, at least yet, God willing, their faith will grow in these things and they'll be able to speak on them. But these are desert teachings Aimed at promised land principles. And don't worry, we're going to start with sex and show you how it is a physical mirror of spiritual salvation. All right, last comment from Rulan. Fair point. He's saying that I didn't make any real arguments or show any videos of Mike Winger, and that's true and a fair critique. The first video was basically just an introduction. Even this part up until now of

this video is an introduction. What we're about to do From here forward is going to show that these guys do not have strong teachings of the Bible, do not understand the spiritual world, and then in part three, I'm going to address every one of Mike Winger's claims. Now, I'm going to address every one of his claims. It doesn't mean I'm going to refute every single one of them. That video is an hour long. I have it on my desktop and I'm chopping it up. I'm about a third of the way through those edits. It takes

a Long time to do those types of videos. That's coming soon. Now, I'm organizing Mike's claims and clips into three categories. Things I agree with Mike Winger on, things I disagree with Mike Winger on, and then finally, things that Micah has said that I agree are impossible to substantiate, and I'll even include some things that I disagree with Micah on, and some cautions for him going forward. Mike Winger is not insane. He makes a lot of good points. He's just coming from a place of ignorance regarding how the spiritual world works and his misconceptions are

sprinkled in with all sorts of other decent points. And so it takes a lot of work to go through and isolate each point, organize them, and respond to them. That's coming in the next video. His video is about an hour long. So my response to it is going to be probably 2 hours, which is why I'm separating them out in this way. All right, let's get Into some serious teachings about the Bible and I'll show you why Rouselon and Mike Winger, as much as I love them and as great as they are at what they

do, are overstepping here and talking about things they don't yet understand. First, let me start off by explaining my understanding and my experience with the spiritual world. I'm going to play an old video for you. It's not that long and it's going to nail how I feel about them. I'm going to explain angels and Demons to you using microbiology. You know, all these movies we see with different character universes, like the various divisions and personalities in the Harry Potter cast, for example, or the fantastic array of crazy beasts and creatures in these movies, and the

extremely complex dynamics and relationships between them. Well, that's how the spiritual world works, too. As a matter of fact, they're just stealing those ideas from the spiritual world. There is no crazier cluster of creatures than the invisible world floating above our heads. They are as vast and diverse as the entire universe of Pokemon, the entire multiverse of Dragon Ball Z. Attack on Titan is basically just stealing the story of the Nephilim. And characters like the Shinigami from Death Note, they really are there just following us around and hanging out. The reason we resonate with this

stuff is because something inside of us knows That it's true. Maybe we even remember it from a time forgotten. Bio means life, ology means the study of, and micro means small. So microbiology is just the study of small life. And in microbiology, we only have four main classifications. Bacteria, parasites, viruses, and fungus. And yet, despite only those four classifications, you have nearly an infinite range of possibility. All you have to do to understand the spiritual world is go to This guy's channel and start looking at the microscopic world. You realize the same thing. You can't

see it with the naked eye, but through a device that allows you to see, which is the spirit, the entire world comes alive. Hey, heat. Hey. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. The truth is, these things are not that Fantastical. You're not any more or less crazy believing in angels and demons than you are believing in microbiology. They're both worlds you can't see with your naked eye. And despite actually knowing they're there, you don't go looking for them because honestly, you're afraid of them. You've elected instead to become a voluntary coward. These things terrify you and so

you become willfully blind. And on judgment day, that's why God is going to send you To hell. All right. Now, that last part was used as an evangelistic tool. I'm not saying God's going to send you to hell because you don't see angels and demons. What I do want to illustrate here is that when Micah talks about entering the spiritual world, he's basically looking through a microscope to see the microscopic world. That microscope is the spirit. Mike Winger and Rouslon don't have a microscope. And so they're calling the observations of Micah who's looking through the

microscope crazy because to them it's crazy. It's the same thing if you had a medieval doctor who's telling people they have ghosts in their blood. They should go get drunk on alcohol to fix the problem. If that doctor read an explanation of the microscopic world by a modern doctor looking through a microscope, he would say the same thing about that doctor that Mike Winger is saying about Micah Turnbo. He doesn't Understand what he's talking about because he's not observing the same phenomenon because he's not using the device that lets him do it. Mike Winger is

utilizing his mind and not his spirit. Micah Turnbo has almost turned his mind off completely and dove head first into the spiritual world. Now, I'm not saying that's a good idea either. I'm just trying to explain to you guys what in the world is going on with all of this. All right. Now, before I can Teach you the rest, I've got to explain what our metaphysical anatomy is. This is the difference between your body, soul, and spirit. I'm going to play you a quick video I did recently that will explain this. Dragon Ball Z is

real. It's just spiritual. This is your spirit. This is your flesh, and this is your soul. The soul is the fusion between the flesh and the spirit. The point is that the spirit and flesh would train up one another in the arena of the Soul. But what typically happens is the flesh keeps beating the crap out of the spirit. Because of course the flesh is being controlled by a third party entity, the devil. But inevitably the spirit in focus and concentration can get the upper hand on the flesh. And so in time both of them

end up completely exhausted but become absolutely powerful through the training. Train up the spirit and yes also train up the flesh but separately. As a matter of fact, Occupy the flesh so that it stops interfering with the training of the spirit. Stay ready for war at all times. Learn to prepare for every battle. When you're in the midst of your temptation, power up in the Holy Spirit. Koko is just your anointing. Train yourself to wield the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God, the Bible. Spend time in your prayer closet. And when

you have nothing left to give, ask others to pray for you. Remember, despite how hard the Flesh tries, it's never going to be as good as the spirit. The only way the flesh beats the spirit is if the spirit gives up. And the spirit never gives up. Learn to suffer well and fast. Learn to cast out the demons in your life. Don't worry, as you grow, you'll get stronger. Remember, it's not really you doing the work anyways. You're not alone. Rejuvenate yourself with prayer and worship. And always remember, there's a great cloud of witnesses cheering

you On. learn to fight the battles on this arena well because it's training for this arena that's coming next. This is what the Christian walk looks like. This is why everything is so hard because the inevitable goal is God mode. Not to say you become a god, but that you become one with your creator who is God. All right. Now, your metaphysical anatomy is much more technical and complex than that. That's obviously a simplistic visualization, but it should suffice for What we have to talk about in this video. My 2-year-old daughter just told me I

work too much and then I have to listen to your comments after you watch 30 seconds of a 25minute video misrepresenting my position. Why am I even doing this? You people are taking all my time away from my own family and you don't even appreciate what I'm trying to do. I'm really going to have to pray about whether I continue doing this. This is insane. She's two and she Just told her dad you work too much. She's right. This is all I do. I rob time away from them for you guys just so you can

watch a couple seconds and then call me a heretic. This is the last video I'm doing for a while. Help me, father. All right, let's get into this. The problem with people who intellectualize the Bible and the reason you shouldn't be listening to them in every single season is because they encourage you to read the Bible wrong. Now, Mike Winger and Rouslon and these guys are great for certain seasons. They can get you like out of Egypt and partway through the desert, but they're not going to be able to help you get past the point

that they themselves are stuck at. They're teaching you to read the Bible like a scholar. But the Bible says Matthew 11:25 at that time or some translations say season Jesus said I praise you father Lord of the heavens and the earth because you have hidden These things the Bible the revelation from the wise and learned and revealed those things to little children. Yes, Father for this is what you were pleased to do. If you're looking for someone who has deep revelation from God, you can expect them to be childlike. It's actually a requirement. The Bible

says you have to become like a child to receive these things. But Mike Winger is upset that Micah Turnbo is childlike. That's exactly what you would expect From someone who has deep revelation about the Bible. Exactly what you would expect from someone who claims that he can enter and exit the kingdom of God because only children can do that. I'm so exhausted. Do you know how long it takes to make these videos? Please help me, father. You are supposed to read the Bible like a child. Jesus tells you that's how you have to read it.

He's thanking his father that the Bible's only revealed to children and Specifically hidden from the wise and the learned. Jesus says the same thing to the disciples. There are kings that wanted to know what I'm telling you and he calls them little children. You have to become like a little child to understand the Bible. It is not a book for scholars and intellectuals. That would be like the Ethiopian unic trying to force it when in fact all he had to do was receive the Holy Spirit. It looks like Mike Winger uses the Logos Software. Logos

just implemented an AI feature, and this is great, not because you should be outsourcing your understanding of the Bible to AI, given it's really more of a search function than anything. The reason this is good, look at this sweet girl. What's that, baby? Dinner's ready. Tell mommy I have to make a video for these ungrateful people that call me a heretic in the comments. Okay, I love you. I hope you guys appreciate what I'm giving up for You. Man, this is pissing me off. You can start eating without me. Okay, I love you. Okay, baby.

Go ahead. All right, back to what I was saying. The reason it's good that these Bible softwares now have an AI feature is because it teaches you how you're supposed to be interacting with the Holy Spirit. 20 years ago, let's say before AI really was prominent, you were supposed to be sitting with the Bible using the Holy Spirit like you would Chat GBT now. As a matter of fact, I'll go to use chat GBT sometimes to look things up and the Holy Spirit will say in my spirit almost in a mournful voice, "Why don't you

ask me?" And I repent and I ask him, and he tells me. He wants to be close to us. He wants to be intimate. He wants to be the search engine of the Bible. He wants to show you those things. You've replaced him with chat GBT. Logos has replaced him with AI, but that's how you're supposed to be Interacting with him. And here's what happens when you do that. rather than collect a series of Bible verses that weren't even numbered and chaptered in the original Bibles back in the biblical times and then storing up those

verses like either bullets in a gun that you can shoot at other people or mathematical variables and constants that you can work into your own stupid little formula so you can output some kind of conclusion to teach to the rest Of us. I don't want your opinion. I want the Holy Spirit. I want what the Bible actually means, not what you think it says. Jesus always told stories. I think it says in Matthew that he never didn't tell stories when he was talking to the public. People would ask him a question and he would tell

a story and they would say, "Why don't you just tell us plainly?" And he's like, "I literally just answered your question. It's not my fault. You don't understand what I'm Talking about. You don't have eyes to see or ears to hear." But my story answered your question. He expected us to take the stories, map out the physical things he was talking about, and map them to spiritual things. He's not talking about a field. He's talking about your heart. He's not talking about a seed. He's talking about the gospel. It's something like 183 questions were asked

to him. And he only answered three of them with the disciples. The rest of Them he answered with a story. The Old Testament works the same way. The gospel of Jesus Christ is woven through every single story in the Old Testament. They actually happened with real people. They are literal, but they are literal physical. The New Testament is literal spiritual. And this is what you miss when you refuse to read the Bible like a child. You remember that story about the Hebrews who are slaves in Egypt under Pharaoh being tormented by the slave Drivers? Yeah.

Well, that represents you and me being slaves to sin in the devil's kingdom, being tormented by his demons, building his empire for him. Remember the burning bush telling Moses and Aaron to go send plagues against Pharaoh to set the captives free and deliver them? Yeah, that's the father, son, and holy spirit performing miracles to set the captives free and deliver them. A lot of people don't realize that the burning bush represents the father And Moses and Aaron represent Jesus and the holy spirit. Just like Moses was tongue-tied and Aaron spoke on his behalf, Jesus, like

a lamb silent before the sheerer, does not provide a defense for himself at his own trial with Pilate. Instead, the Holy Spirit provides a defense because you don't provide a defense for yourself. The Holy Spirit will give you the words to say. The plagues, how are those miracles? I don't know. The first plague is turning Water to blood. Jesus's first miracle is turning water to wine. The last plague is the Passover. And the last miracle is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Why doesn't Mike Winger know this? How come he hasn't seen it this

simply? Why aren't they teaching you guys this stuff? Why are they telling you that I'm over complicating it? That looks pretty simple to me. Because they don't see any of this. because they're stuck in the New Testament Intellectualizing it instead of reading the Old Testament like a child. Matter of fact, they think the Old Testament is problematic. They think they have to use the New Testament to explain away the angry God of the Old Testament when in fact the God of the Old Testament is Jesus. It's all Jesus. It's always been Jesus. It's always going

to be Jesus. I'm like, this is just typology. This thing about typology. Does anyone who thinks this is just Typology deny that the blood on the door in Exodus represents Jesus on the cross? No. No, that one we we see that one. Okay. So, the rest of them are just idle words then. No, there's other ones too like Isaac carrying the wood up to Gilga for his own sacrifice that represents Jesus carrying the cross to Goltha. Great. You've seen that one, too. But the burning bush, Moses and Aaron, that one's too much. Yeah. Yeah. You're

you're forcing that one. Okay. So the Standard of what is typology and what is actually intentional in the Bible and by typology I mean a criticism of taking it too far is the ones you've seen so far versus the ones you haven't seen yet cuz that's really what happens. People like to tell me, "Yeah, you're taking it too far." And I'm like, "Okay, let's go through some of them." And I go through ones they've never heard of and they're like, "Yeah, some of those I see. Others you're taking too far." And it's like, "So you've

made yourself the arbiter. Let's keep going and see if the story continues this way. Maybe it's just a fluke. They're told to slay a lamb, put the blood on the door, which is trusting in God's promise that if they put the blood on the door, they will be saved from the angel of death. So, they put it on the door. The angel of death passes by. Then they're told to plunder the Egyptians and follow Moses out through the Red Sea. That represents crucifying Christ. You're saved by the blood, which is grace, through trusting in God's

promise to put it on the door, which is faith. The door is the cross. So the blood on the cross. This pacifies the angel of death which is the wages of sin. So that you can plunder the Egyptians which is take their garments which will never wear out. The garments endure till the end not the people. If you didn't notice Moses dies in the Wilderness. Then you follow Moses which is Jesus out through the Red Sea which is baptism. And the rest is going through the desert saved by grace through faith for works. But you

don't see any of this unless you start reading it like a child. This is what Holy Spirit revelation looks like. This is the fruit of actually understanding what it's talking about. And then the garments in every single story. Adam and Eve are covered by fig leaves. They Cover themselves which represents self-righteousness. This is why Jesus curses the leaves of the fig trees in the New Testament. Everyone thinks it's about the fruit. He mentions the leaves on the tree. And he says at the end, have faith in God. It's not about works. It's about faith. They

try to cover themselves with the leaves of the fig tree. Yes, an unfruitful tree will be plucked up and thrown into the lake of fire. But that's a reference to the Parable of the sewer because the seed is the gospel. You have the rocky field, the thorny field, and the path field. The solution for each field is to plow it up. That's why life is so hard because soft soil or a soft heart receives the gospel. Well, it's the seed of life so it grows into the tree of life. It bears the fruit of Christ.

That's why Jesus says, "Eat me and drink me." Because he is the fruit of life hung on the tree of life. That's why he Had to be nailed to a tree. A piece of fruit was taken off the tree and so a piece of fruit has to be put back on the tree. Christ is the piece of fruit. He took our punishment. And so now you eat him and drink him and you'll live forever. The only thing in scripture that says that is the fruit on the tree of life. The parable of the sewer is

about Christ being crucified on the tree in your heart. That is the one tree that has to be fruitful. And if that's not Fruitful, an unfruitful tree will be plucked up and thrown into the lake of fire. Hey, sweet babies. Hey, baby. Can I get a hug? Oh, you sweet girl. I love you. It's faith in Christ that gives you the fruit on the tree because Christ is the fruit on the tree. But if the soil condition is good to grow that tree, it'll be good to grow the other tree of the fruit of the

spirit. And so you end up with a lush garden because God is replanting the Garden of Eden in your heart. The first one was literal physical. The new one's literal spiritual. I'm sorry if you're new to my content and this is the first time you're hearing this stuff and your first experience of me is that I am this frustrated. I hope that doesn't take away from the potency of the message. I am just exhausted and I'm specifically exhausted with this type of crap. I have to try to remember that it was just me yesterday, but

it is very painful Reexplaining this thing a thousand times. All right, so the garments, Adam and Eve are covered in fig leaf garments that they made. It's insufficient. God can see right through the clothing. It's not about being covered. It's about being sufficiently covered. And the wages of sin is death. So something sinless has to die to pay the wage. So an animal is slain and the innocence of the animals wrapped around Adam and Eve. This is why animals aren't ashamed of Their nakedness, but humans are. All right, that's probably just a coincidence. That can't

be talking about the same clothing that they plundered from the Egyptians to make it through the desert because they never wore out. And that definitely can't be the Roman Gentiles casting lots for Jesus's garments while he's on the cross. Oh yeah, it's all the same garment. Jacob steals the garments of Esau to approach Isaac. Tamar wears the garments of a Prostitute to approach Judah. Leah wears the clothing of Rachel to approach Jacob. In every case, they get a blessing because of a mistaken identity based on garments. This is how salvation works. You put on the

Lord Jesus Christ. God looks at you and he sees Jesus. He lets you into heaven not because you did a good job, but because Jesus did a good job. The only hope is to sneak into heaven on the coattails of Christ. He is the Trojan horse that you hide inside Of. This is why Ruth is covered in the edge of Boaz's garment. This is why Noah is naked and he's covered in garments. This is Joseph in the coat of many colors dipped in blood. These are the ones who've washed their robes in the blood of

grapes. And then in Revelation, these are the ones who wash their robes in the blood of the lamb and can enter through the gate because the angel with the sword of fire blocking the entrance is no longer there because now you can Pass through because you've dipped your robes in the blood of the lamb and now you can enter into the city and eat from the tree of life. That's weird. The tree of life in Revelation, yeah, he regrrew it in the field of your heart. You are a vessel to hold a seed just like

this orchard here. This is the field of your heart and it must be fruitful. But the fruit hung on the tree is Christ hung on the cross. This is why King David cuts off the edge of King Saul's garment and Presents it as a form of salvation. It's like in every single story. But these guys don't understand any of this stuff because they're reading it like intellectual. They don't understand that Samson is literally a parable. Now, it happened with the real person. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Archaeology, the rocks testify, right? It is also

a liveaction parable about a strong man that's refusing to be bound. That's an exorcism. Jesus says, "You can't bind a Strong man lest you bind him first." The story of Samson is a story of a strong man that is lying about how you can bind him. Coincidence, huh? When Jesus forms a whip and whips the money changers and the people buying out of the temple, that's an exorcism in scripture. When they take the trash out of the temple, that's cleaning out the temple. That's repentance. That's confession. When they kick the pagan out of the temple,

that's an exorcism, too. Kicking bad actors out Of the temple. All of these things go unseen if you're reading the Bible like an intellectual. All of these things start to become clear if you're reading the Bible like a child because you actually have the Holy Spirit. Mike Winger, Rouselon, and the rest are not reading the Bible like a child. And they are encouraging you to become intellectual in the way you approach God. But God doesn't want any of that. He wants you to run up to him like my Sweet little daughter runs up to me.

You think it's a coincidence she's been running up all day? I didn't plan it, but I have my suspicions that God planned it. Maybe he's trying to tell you something. I have a lot more to say. I could go for hours on this. We could talk about how the first book in the world to use the word matrix is the Bible. It uses it five times in the Old Testament. The word matrix means womb. A child is in the womb for 40 weeks. They Were in the desert for 40 years. Jesus was in the desert

for 40 days. Huh. I wonder if that's a coincidence. Conception, embryology and childhood is Egypt, desert, promised land, death, burial, resurrection, justification, sanctification, glorification. The sperm enters the egg, dies, gives up its genetic code and is born again into something 37 trillion times its size. But then it has to go through a phase of development where it can hear its Father's voice but not see his face. What does that sound like? Are you guys blind? I'm not talking about you guys watching. I'm talking about the teachers. How are you missing this, Rouselon? How are you

missing this, Mike Winger? You want to tell me that sex has nothing to do with salvation? The entire thing is about conception. The entire thing is about pregnancy. Jesus says we're children, that he's the physician here to deliver us while the earth Shutters in labor pains. You guys are absolutely blind. You have no idea what the Bible's talking about because you're reading it wrong. And my problem with you is that you're teaching others to follow in your footsteps. That's enough for this video. I'm going to eat dinner with my family. I am sorry I'm upset.

I am just getting so sick of repeating these things. I understand this is a new audience and a lot of you are watching this for the first time and I'm sorry That this is your first impression of me. I'm just tired. I love you. Go in peace. When I have time, maybe I'll go through Mike Winger's points about Micah Turnbo, but this isn't about Micah Turnbo. Whether or not he's a heretic, you decide for yourself. I have my issues with some of the stuff he says. Anyways, I love the man, but I love Mike Winger,

too. This is about God. This is about your relationship with God. And I want you to know, and I think he does, Too, that he loves you. And the level of intimacy he's expecting in that relationship may make you uncomfortable, at least in your current understanding of it. But your heart posture needs to be yes, Lord. Whatever. You are God. You have the words of life. Whatever it looks like, the answer is yes and amen. If I'm your bride and you want to have sex, yes and amen. If you want me to eat your fingers

and dip them in marinara sauce, yes and amen. If you want me to Die and take the very breath from me, well, blessed be the name of the Lord. The Lord gives and takes away. You're not taking away anything that you didn't first give me. Whatever is true. I want you to understand that your heart posture as a Christian needs to be yes and amen. If it's a kiss on the lips, yes and amen. If it's playing with Jesus's beard, yes and amen. Glitter, gold, sparkles come from his beard, which I don't know. Like I

don't even Know about that stuff. I'm actually not a charismatic. I I think they're wrong, too. I think everyone's wrong. Myself included. But if that's true, yes and amen. I know people who said they've seen the gold dust. I trust them. I know they're not lying. Know they're filled with the Holy Spirit. Look, I don't care. I love Jesus and I know Jesus loves me. And I don't assume that I know what that love looks like. Whatever Jesus says is yes and amen. That's what I want to get across to you. I'm not trying to

argue one point or the other. I'm not trying to defend someone. I'm not trying to attack someone. I'm trying to get you to buy in to a deeper intimacy with Christ. I'm trying to get you to stop pushing him away when he tries to give you a hug. I want you to decide right here and right now that if you truly are the bride of Christ, whether you're the bride of Christ or we're members that make up the body of The bride of Christ, if Christ wants to make love to his wife, praise God. Yes

and amen. whatever it looks like. Yes and amen. Otherwise, you're the folks in John 6 who said, "This doesn't look like what we thought it looked like, and so we're out." And if you're out, you were never in. For me, in my house, I'mma let Jesus smash if that's what he wants. I don't think it is. I don't know if it is. But whatever that book is saying, whatever the reality of that Relationship is, whatever the depth of the intimacy he wants, yes and amen.