Dr Anthony Chaffee: The Ultimate Carnivore Beginner Guide (EAT THIS) 2025

If your teeth are rotting out of your head probably not eating the right thing people on Carnivore diet and ketogenic diets they improved massively Limitless Lindy that's lost 500 lb Dr Anthony chaffy is a world-renowned expert on the carnivore diet and has helped millions of people reverse chronic disease he will help you get faster results and it starts with eating more fat that our pets zoo animals and any other animal that starts being fed the same crap that we're eating gets the same diseases we're getting you you see Bears going through garbage cans is garbage

the optimal diet for Bears no it's opportunistic I saw diseases that I was taught are incurable they're chronic conditions they only get worse go away plants are harmful they do cause harm spinach isn't all that innocuous and you eat too much of it you can actually get oxalate poisoning you know we're we're you know talking about optimal here and optimizing our health and and to do that you need to look at what humans have been prospering On for the longest and and that's me a real carnivore diet and the best version of a carn diet

is strictly high fat meat and water and that's it it's not enough to just eat meat because meat's not this magic Elixir that will just heal you so I tell my patients who are trying to lose weight to eat more but eat the right things you will often need to add 5 to 7 G of salt what do you think people do wrong the number one thing they do wrong on a Carnival diet when they first start when I see people not having the results that they want it's almost always that they're not this episode

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can help share the message to Millions more people that need to hear the truth and now for the episode with Dr Anthony chaffy Dr chaffy welcome yeah thank you so much good to see you when it comes to the carnival diet you are arguably one of the top experts that people look up to and you've traveled the world educating people about the carnival diet and how to achieve Optimal Health but as with social media there is so much controversy around the carnival diet and this has left people very confused used so today Dr chaffy is

going to share his Decades of research and experience we're going to talk about why the carnival diet is optimal for human health we're going to talk about Dr Cha's protocol for you to get faster Carnival results and the number one thing that people do wrong when they start Carnival so Dr chaffy my first question there is a lot of controversy around what is the best diet for human health why do you think Carnival is the best diet for human health well I think just basically it aligns with our biology it's our biologically evolved or designed

diet however you want to look at it but either way We're biologically adapted to eat meat fatty meat and not only are we adapted to eat it and gain nutrients from it we are specifically and explicitly not um biologically Adept at getting those same nutrients from plants in fact many of these required nutrients don't exist in plants and then you look at other nutrients that are in Plants we don't have the bio you know engineering and enzymes to break down these chemical bonds to release those nutrients such as like niin and corn there's a ton

of nasin and corn but we can't access it unless we put it through chemical processes uh called nalization that that will break down these bonds and then we can absorb that or putting them or fermenting them or cooking them and preparing them in these different ways you don't need to do that you meat meat raw we choose to cook things out of preference we humans have been cooking meat for 1.6 million years at least um but we don't have to you don't have to do that um enable in order to get the nutrients that we

require from meat so you get everything you need from meat in the proportion that you need it you get no deleterious or harmful substances in the Bargain plants you don't get complete nutrition you can't access all even the nutrients that are available in Plants because we don't have the enzymes to break them down because we're not designed to eat them and um you know they they do contain harmful chemicals that's how plants defend themselves they have may make a million different uh at least a million that we know of different defens and chemicals to stop

animals and insects from eating them so you don't get enough nutrients you can't even access the nutrients that are there and they come with deleterious and harmful chemicals as a result so take home there is just eat meat and you'll be fine I want to ask um because I think people when they're researching the carnival diet and if they're just starting they're going to hear that you need to eat vegetables and you need to eat fruit because it's quite healthy so can you explain for people that are just starting the carnival diet just learning about

it what is it in Plants first of all that is bad for your health in the long term why we don't need vegetables and fruit to live yeah well we don't need fruits and vegetables To live because quite simply we get everything we need from meat how do we know this because we can see people who do this generationally we have entire civilizations of human beings alive right now who traditionally eat a a purely carnivorous diet um people make argument you look back at the literature from the early 1800s or or much before that as

well you see different pioneers and explorers from Western Country countries charting and uh you know the different new lands in America Australia Etc and their interactions with the the natives of that land and then they were very clear these people were carnivores they ate um meat fatty meat as much as possible they knew which plants they could eat in a pinch but it was it was always it was starvation food it was if you couldn't get meat this is this is what you would eat as a result or they use them medically um it was

not it was not the primary uh food source for the majority of these populations but people equival and say well Native Americans X Y and Z and this then okay so in this isolated area they would eat some crops and you're trying to extrapolate that to two continents full of people That doesn't that doesn't actually really scan and so but you know all that aside what about you know the Inuit and and the eso formerly called ESO people that would live in northern Canada green northern Alaska these sorts of places um there there were no

plants to eat these these people could be living in the Arctic Circle where there is no plant life at all it's there's nothing growing there's only animals largely uh sea life but then also ones that sort of transition that barrier like seals who go into the water and prey on the fish and other sorts of marine life they come up on land and then Bears get them those sorts of things and then the Inuit that prey on them and and all of the above so we know that humans not only can survive but thrive on

a meat only diet we know that humans have been alive and thriving in the Arctic Circle in the ice ages and what are you supposed to eat in the ice ages if not meat and so we know get everything we need in the proportion that we need it because you can't possibly survive unless you do get Complete Nutrition and especially in those environments those are extremely harsh environments and if You don't Thrive you die that's all there is to it no one's no one's barely squeaking through an ice age in the Arctic Circle so we

not only thrived we became the most dominant animal that you know dominant species that's ever walked this Earth and it was during the ice ages that we came to that sort of world dominance and and and prominence um as to as to vegetables well you don't a you don't need to eat them B you don't want to eat them because they defend themselves chemically a polar bear can mess you up and so you know people had to uh be able to fight and risk dying in order to fight these things off defend themselves or even

kill them and and and bring that back to their their tribe um but once they're dead or an animal's dead the meat itself is extremely healthy you know barring smaller animals that that can use poison Sachs and stingers and things like that but even in them the the meat itself is typically very healthy and that's because they have other defenses they have other kinetic defenses they can move they can fight back they can fight you they can try to hunt you and eat you um but plants can't they're stationary they can't move they Can't run

away they can't defend themselves in that kinetic fashion so they have to use chemical warfare to stop animals insects from from eating them and so again they make about a million different defensive chemicals to kill injure and disrupt the health of the organisms trying to eat them that goes all the way down to to fungus and bacteria and things like that that that try to um take advantage of the plant as well so they they have extremely robust defenses we know this intuitively because most plants on Earth will just kill you if you try to

eat them you know people saying like well if plants are trying to kill you they're doing a really bad job it's like okay tell that to Hemlock right so you know go ahead and make a garden salad out of random leaves you find in a in in the forest and you know tell me how good you feel the next day if you're still alive right that'd be a terrible idea most people know that if you get lost in the wood you can't eat any random plant because most of them will make you very sick so

um it's a it's a really bad idea to do that and then we just pretend that these plants that you we have we get in the grocery store are Not only safe but beneficial well there's no evidence that we've ever eaten these things in large quantities while our species was evolving uh people will Trot out that some neanderthals were found to have some grains in the calculi of their teeth well a that can mean anything you know they could just have some stuff stuck in their teeth it doesn't mean that they were eating a whole

bunch of grains second of all that's only in the very recent um fossils of uh neanderthals very very early neanderthals and Homo sapiens and Homo rectus and homohabilis you did not see that and um and either way you know just because what someone chooses to eat out of necess um doesn't mean that that's what is optimal for them right you know you see Bears going through garbage cans it's garbage the optimal diet for bears like no it's opportunistically eating that because it's just trying to get um you know enough for the for the winter so

you know we're we're you know talking about optimal here and optimizing our health and and to do that you need to look at what humans have been prospering on for the longest and and that's meat you know It's not um it's not something that we have to guard against because it's not inherently dangerous it has all these nutrients that we need uh and plants are harmful they do cause harm to varying degrees lettuce is you know somewhat innocuous but you know what spinach isn't all that innocuous and you eat too much of it you can

actually get oxalate poisoning you know Liam Hemsworth the actor actually put himself in the hospital with with acute oxalate poisoning because he was talked into going vegan by some nutritionist that probably overcharged it and he ends up you know drinking spinach smoothies every morning for three weeks and lands in himself in the hospital with acute oxalate poisoning and massive kidney stones that had to be surgically removed so you know these are these are actually well-known phenomena um you know you you read nutrition books um from a hundred years ago like Adele Davis who's a very

famous nutritionist and extremely bright I mean she she figured out a lot of things long before other people did um grew up with her books we had all all her books in my house when I was growing up and you know Looking back at some of these things you she was spot on with a first of all she said you know need to eat meat um you know liver like raw liver was one of the best foods for you pregnant women or breastfeeding women and and kids that are that are developing and um she talked

about oxalates in spinach she said that the only s you that you don't just eat raw spinach that wasn't what was done what you did you poached them in milk and the calcium from the milk would actually leech out the oxalates and bind them and then you could eat the spinach more safely because it lowered that toxic load and that's the thing we had these traditional ways of eating plants in order to lower the toxic load and increase the bioavailability of the nutrients so that we could at least gain some benefit from from eating them

we have studies from the 1950s looking at spinach because they they actually have a lot calcium in spinach and I I've spoken to people now they said oh yeah my doctor told me to eat a lot of spinach because I needed calcium it's okay well the study's actually showed that if you give people spinach it actually lowers their calcium because the calcium in the Spinach is not available we don't have the enzymes to break them down they're not bioavailable and so you know because we're not designed to eat spinach very plainly that's all the proof

that you need really and they contain oxalates which get into your bloodstream and actually bind and strip out and chelate your calcium and then you end up lowering your calcium levels so that's actually what what the data shows that's what the scientific experimental um Studies have shown um and yet you say oh there's calcium in in spinach eat a bunch of calcium sorry that's not how plants work so you get everything you need in the proportion that you need it from meat there are things that you need in meat that you cannot get from Plants

but there's nothing in plants that you cannot get from meat and well not nothing that you need anyway there's nothing deleterious in meat there are literally over a million things that are deleterious in plants so that's why you want to eat meat and you don't want to eat plants I want to ask you a question about you because people I think when they come to Carnival you are one of the top experts that they look up To um how did you get interested in the carnival diet and when did you start so I started about

24 years ago when I was taking cancer biology I'd already taken Biology i' already taken botany and understood these Concepts that plants defend themselves I mean that was that was something I literally learned in seventh grade biology was that plants and animals are an evolutionary arms race plants becoming more and more toxic so less and less animals can eat them so they can survive and thrive that's their defense mechanism and then animals becoming more and more adapted to specific poisons and specific plants so they can eat that plant and survive and thrive um but they

don't don't have the defenses for other things so um it was you know it it was taught to us if if an animal didn't Evol to eat a specific plant that plant would be harmful to them because they didn't have the defenses against the specific specific toxins in those plants and um and they didn't have the biom machinery and biomechanics to break down these uh chemical bonds and release all the nutrients so it wouldn't be very nutritious for them and then you go home you get told to eat Salads oh okay supposed to do this

now you know so you just don't think about it you I mean I learned in second grade that humans are apex predators and been apex predators predators for over two million years apex predators are by definition carnivores and you get you learn in Biology how toxic plants are and so you have apex predators that are that and plants are toxic and then you get told you should be vegetarian it's just like there's just like this this you know intellectual disconnect that that nobody that all of us had this information available to us since we were

young and and none of us put that connection together until more recently and um so when I was taking cancer biology during my undergraduate degree um I was at the University of Washington and I remember very clearly um our professor of cancer biology was telling us again about plant toxins and how they defend themselves and some of these toxins uh would cause disruption physiologically inflammator inflammatory sort of ways or whatever and could precipitate cancer AKA they had carcinogens in them and so he told us that these toxins in Plants could be carcin carcinogenic and obviously

it's Cancer biology class so that's what we're looking at and uh he told us that that brussel sprouts had 136 known carcinogens that mushrooms had over 100 that spinach kale lettuce broccoli celery cabbage cucumber you name it all the fruits and vegetables that you'd ever eat had 60 80 or over 100 known carcinogens in them and they were quite abundant we knew from the work out of um UC Berkeley from Professor Bruce Ames that 99.99% of the pesticides that existed uh in plants that you got from eating plants were naturally occurring that the plant made

themselves so that means that there's 10,000 times more naturally occurring toxin in the fruits and vegetables that we eat by weight than the pesticides we spray on them and they were far more dangerous just the mushrooms were um I think it was over 200 times more carcinogenic than um the P pesticides they were looking at at the time which was AAR this is actually before glyos a so who knows how that Stacks up that I'm I'm not saying that's good but the plants are actually worse than at least the the P Ides that Bruce Ames

was looking at interestingly Bruce Ames concluded that said well since we know fruits And vegetables are so good for you and the fruits and vegetables are way worse than the pesticides obviously the pesticides can't be all that bad so we should just keep using pesticides it's not a problem it's like well that's not what I took from that and and that's an that's an opinion you know he and it's a you know it's assuming a fact that's not in evidence he's assuming that fruits and vegetables are good for you but what the data showed was

that they're actually 10,000 times have 10,000 times more toxins than the pesticides were spraying on them and pesticides we spray we spray pesticides on crab crops in order to kill animals and insects trying to eat them so these are known deadly poisons and the plants are worse so you know why would you come to the conclusion that well since fruits and vegetables are so good obviously these pesticides are are great too um I came to the opposite conclusion and so did my professor at can of cancer biology um but at the time we were extremely

shocked we hadn't heard this before really hadn't put it in the context of the of the plants that we eat even though we had all taken Biology classes that would have said That plants defend themselves chemically and we were blown away we didn't didn't know um if he was joking or not we were looking around for someone who was like laughing in the corner or something and um but nothing everyone was was as shocked as I was and we all sort of settled down and realized he was he was uh serious and then I remember

thinking my head but but vegetables are still good for you though right and he just took gave us a funny look and he just said I don't eat salad I don't eat vegetables I don't let my kids eat vegetables plants are trying to kill you and I'm like right forget plans and I just stopped and I I sort of default Ed into eating just carnivore because the what else was I going to eat I I I my my whole mission was to not eat plants and so I went to the store I'm like okay if

it if it had a plant I'm not touching it so I just ended up eating eggs and meat and that was it that was the only thing that didn't come from plants and you know a bit of dairy but I didn't have all that much um but that was my criteria there was no plants that's it and and I did that for a number of years and never felt better and never Performed better as an athlete or as a student and then I slipped off of it when I was playing rugby in England and just

sort of eventually sort of slipped back into my normal diet which was a very clean heavily meat-based omnivorous diet I eat mostly meat and eat a bloody salad because you're supposed to eat salad and it's supposed to be good for you I'm like God okay I'll eat that stupid thing that's why I kept eating and I did not feel as good I did not feel nearly as good I wasn't the same athlete I um didn't I got tired more easily I got injured more easily I got you know nagging sort of pulled muscles and issues

you know going forward and I had no idea what was going on because at 25 I felt like superhero and 25 and a half I did not and I I couldn't figure out how to get back to that uh until I was 38 so you know 13 years later 12 13 years later when I came back to information and said no humans just are carnivores as a species just just what type of animal we are and I looked back and said okay well that's how I was living and I've never felt better in my entire

life and I've always been trying to figure out how to get back to that and that that Was it and so I said great get rid of these you know get you know Screw plants get rid of these stupid things and I I did that and again within two weeks I just I felt like I was 22 again I felt like I had I was my old self again I went back out and started playing highle rugby just felt great and uh and then I really started digging into this and looking into the to the

research behind it and I found that it was to Absolute mountains of this stuff I mean even just on on ketogenic diets alone what is a ketogenic diet you get rid of carbohydrates what do you replace it with protein and fat where do you get protein and fat from well the best sources are meat and that's typically what they use in these studies and so and the ones that have better outcomes certainly do I mean I've seen some studies try to trash ketogenic diets by giving a bunch of rats uh a ketogenic diet and they

well no we checked it they're definitely their ketones are up so they're definitely in ketosis and the fat that they're giving them is is Crisco right was hydrogenated vegetable oil is an industrial product that was first used by the German military to to oil their their War machines and uh and then they just you know Proctor and gaml just decided to start feeding it to people right okay well how did that one turn out not great um so you know people are argu aring you know I think very very correctly that things like Crisco are

not good for your health so doing a ketogenic diet with freaking pounds of Crisco probably not going to give the best outcomes so that's not really accurate but you have literally thousands of studies and randomized control trials in humans on the benefits of ketogenic diets for specific medical outcomes with with selected you know pre pre-selected end points they're not retro retroactively going back and saying this is our endpoint and a lot of drug companies do that a lot of um Big Industry um studies do that where they'll they'll run a like glyphosate for example um

the the you know one of the studies that the industry studies that they use to get this passed to to use this on food crops was they fed glyphosate covered food to mice for three months and they said look they're fine there's no issues great we can feed this to people okay well someone tried to repr uced that study later And started giving doing the same thing but didn't stop it three months actually went to the Natural extension of these these animals lives and they found massive massive health issues and multi-organ failure and damage and

other sorts of issues and so you know picking you know too small of a of a test run or maybe running this out and seeing okay you know how' this work and start seeing okay we're seeing problems at around month four okay well month three was great so just this cut it there that happens all the time it's completely dishonest but it is very common practice um edit you know there there two editors in Chief one from the Lancet and one from New England Journal of Medicine two of the top medical journals in the world

there's DR Horton and um oh I can't remember the other lady's name I think it was Dr Marcia angel or something like that but anyway um she was she was um editor-in chief of the New England Journal for 15 years or so they both came out publicly and said that there there's just industry capture on these these papers and journals and that um because of all these fraudulent and dishonest um practices with making Papers and Publishing them in dishonest ways that and manipulating the data in different ways that you you really couldn't trust medical literature

anymore the scientific literature anymore even in the top journals especially in the top journals and uh he said that that most of it is completely corrupt or or fully fraudulent U and false and he said at least half of the papers being published are fit that description that they're either completely false or fra fraudulent and um he his words he said this this is a dark day for Science and and that's what we're living in so when you look for yourself and you say okay what are the studies here well we have thousands and thousands

of studies high level studies looking at high fat meat-based ketogenic diets which a carnivore diet is then you actually see that well maybe this is a different story than what we're being told and it's not taught in medical school it's not taught in residencies and so you talk to doctors well there's no evidence for that well have you looked for the evidence the answer of course is no because if it hasn't been taught to them in medical school or in residency or It's not being presented at these conferences that are funded by Nestle Coke Pepsi

Kelloggs fizer MC you know Nova Nordisk um then obviously it's not worth talking about right so if it's not spoonfed to you it's not good enough to learn about actually generally the good information is something you have to go find yourself it's not just going to be handed to you and and it's there you know so you know I get people saying well well you can't say that that these sorts of dietary interventions you know help with crohn's disease because um there's no evidence for that like have you looked you me just go on Pub

met and just put in uh Cron's disease ketogenic diets you know like you will find a mass of studies um and you look for you know other key words looking for dietary interventions and you know can miss help with with um Crohn's disease or whatever disease you will find these things it's just there's no product behind it so there's no multinational multi-trillion dollar company pushing it right at multi-billion but they have their their revenue is is um as an industry is multi-trillion and um you know so that's how I got into this because I just

I saw the lie I saw how massively effective this was not only for myself and my family but for my patients I saw diseases that I was taught are incurable they're chronic conditions they only get worse go away I saw them completely disappear people come off medications be able to De deprescribe them and have them heal I mean that and that's what that's what medicine is about that's why you become a doctor you're you're you're supposed to be a Healer not a drug Pusher but we've turned into a medical Salesforce that we're just we're just

there to sell pills sell pills sell pills sell pills that's not what medicine is medicine is getting people healthy you know diabetes is not a metformin deficiency and Crohn's disease is not a Humera deficiency so we need to find the root cause and I I think in large part these chronic diseases are caused by eating the wrong kinds of food as evidenced by the fact that our pets zoo animals and any other animal that starts being fed the same craft that we're eating gets the same diseases we're getting right and that includes humans as well

this is a well-known um There's a well-known phenomenon in anthropology where pre-agricultural societies like the Messiah like the inua like the Native Americans and the Great Plains like the Australian aboriginals that when they are living on in their natural ways that the medical issues that they get are injuries childbirth you know poisonings and um you know those sorts of things right infectious disease and then when they transition to a post-agricultural society they those aren't the major burden of of illnesses major burden of illnesses are the diseases of civilization what the hell is that it's diabetes

it's cancer it's heart disease it's dementia it's autoimmunity that doesn't exist in these populations people say well they just don't live long enough okay there are kids having heart attacks now I have a friend of mine who's a who's a doctor ER doctor in India and he's seeing teenagers who are vegetarian traditional vegetarian um people in India you know traditional vegetarian Indian vegetarian diet that he he's having teenagers like a 17-year-old boy came in with a heart attack 26y old woman came in with a stroke you okay so you're living Plenty along for that but

actually they they live um just as long as of us if not longer as long as they're not killed by something so an average life expectancy from birth may be lower but you know when people talk about the Messiah oh Messiah they only live 60 years well that's average life expectancy from birth and 60 is plenty of time to develop diabetes we we've got you know 10 year-olds getting type two diabetes since the 90s right so obviously you know that that's plenty of time to do that especially if meat is causing this and they're only

eating meat then obviously they should be having this when they're too but they're not they don't get it at all and when you look at how long they live if they just die of old age and don't get killed by something they live as long or longer than us and there was an anthropologist from I think it was Arizona State University and he studied um these native tribes in the Amazon and he said don't those people live just as long if not longer than us they don't get any of these chronic diseases and it's only

when they're they're killed by something that they live short than that but when you're talking about Living out the natural lifespan they actually live as long or longer than than people in in Western countries so you know and then and then you see the opposite when you see these populations living in cities even the way we do and they get sick and then they go back home and they start living a more natural existence all of a sudden those diseases go away again you know we we see this I was speaking to a patient of

mine and she has um and she works with the um Australian Aboriginal community and she said that that's actually a well-known thing that in in in that population in that Community if you're in the the cities and you're getting sick you're getting diabetes and you're getting cancer and do these sorts of things the thing you do is you go back into the bush and live with your relatives out there you start living in a more traditional Manner and these these problems go away and so you know it's it's right there in front of us you

know all we have to do is look as Dr chaffy mentions if you want to fix chronic disease we need to fix what we eat and incorporating a high fat Carnival diet even focusing on protein and fat now what we eat Is just one part of overall health another very important aspect of overall health is our mental health and by that I mean things like past trauma stress and emotional eating now this is something that I experienced for most of my life for many years I suffered with severe emotional eating even reaching for healthy sugars

just to feel okay and I found completely fixed me along with a high fat Carnival diet was to understand my emotions through therapy through speaking with a therapist I was better able to understand my triggers that led to the stress and the emotional eating and my therapist gave me incredible strategies to help me deal with these events things like gratitude slow breathing guided meditation just to name a few and this has helped me so much and that is why I have better help as a sponsor of today's video better help is on a mission to

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of therapy I want to talk about some concerns that people have when they the carnival diet um cuz it sounds very common sense eat protein eat fat these diseases that we have go away but people have concerns first one is cholesterol which I'm sure that you've heard of um LDL cholesterol seems to increase on a carnivore diet is that a concern for people um I don't know why it would since it's associated with longer life and and lower all cause mortality and and less cardiovascular disease and less death from infectious disease and less lower rates

of death from cancer and things like that lower rates of Alzheimer's lower rates of Parkinson's lower rates of dementia and uh and the list goes on um there has never been any experimental data showing that cholesterol of any form be it total cholesterol LDL cholesterol SD LDL cholesterol Appo what have you um there's no experimental data showing a cause and Effect relationship between any cholesterols and cardiovascular disease none it's never been done those Studies have been performed but they disproved or went against the cholesterol heart hypotheses so there's never been a high level randomized control

trial that showed a cause and effect relationship between cholesterol and cardiovascular disease but there have been at least five large scale randomized control trials with thousands of human subjects in a well-designed well-rolled study that have shown the opposite they've shown either no benefit from replacing animal fats with um polyunsaturated vegetable oils and and margarine and things like that um lowering cholesterol and um no benefit to that from a cardias sense and um two of them show the larger better design studies actually showed that when you lowered animal fat and replaced it with with plant oils

and margarin um and lowered LDL cholesterol that you actually actually more people died of heart attacks and strokes as a result so this would be things like the Minnesota corn area experiment um that had nearly 10,000 subjects in it and it was a five-year study went From 1968 to 1973 and um this was uh you know our good friend anel Keys who is well known to be on the payroll for the sugar companies he was on a cover of Time Magazine having you know per you know pushed the cholesterol heart hypothesis and so he did

this study you know really hoping for uh you know a win here with cherol and heart disease and they found the opposite and so you know like any good scientist that had you know good ethics and ethical grounding he buried it and hid it from public and and wouldn't let it be published um four decades later long after he was dead and rotting in the ground burning in hell I hope um other people from the NIH actually found uh actually Ramon from the from the NIH actually found sort of uh evidence that this study had

been done on and track down one of the or some of the children from the other one of the other lead researchers on the study and um I said hey do you have your dad's old stuff you know I'm looking I heard this study was done I heard he did it you know and looking for some of this stuff and they actually found all the data from this study from five years of this study in the basement in their Dad's old things and so that was published in I think it was the bmj the British

British medical journal um I believe it was in 2014 and um so that's that's available for anybody to look up the Minnesota coronary experiment or the LA Veterans Affairs Hospital study um the Sydney heart trial all of these things showed that um that the clal heart hypothesis was not correct it certainly didn't corroborate them and so the only studies that are available that show a link between cholesterol and heart disease are are epidemiological and correlative so these can only generate a hypothesis they're hypothesis generating but they cannot show a cause and effect relationship um now

they've started trotting out these mandalian randomized um randomized trials um but just because you use the word randomized does not mean it's a randomized control trial does not mean it's experimental trial does not mean it can show a cause and effect relationship cannot it's still epidemiological it's highly flawed and many many many top scientists um you know not including myself have done very robust critiques and the flaws of these of these study designs and and Shown very clearly these cannot show a cause and effect relationship cannot you cannot show a cause and effect relationship without

experimental study where you you change one variable and see what happens can't right so this is still epidemiology this is still observation it's actually quite poor um epidemiology it's not going to be very accurate and uh you know people can look up any any number of critiques and reviews on that Dr Zoe harkham has done uh plenty of those and actually just came up with out with another one more recently and she's she's fantastic so there are plenty of people showing that this is this is just um uh not going to show a cause and

effect relationship but we already have those studies we already have studies that can show a cause and effect relationship and they do not they show no cause they show no cause and effect relationship between cholesterol and and cardiovascular disease and in fact some of them show an inverse relationship meaning that if you lower cholesterol and you lower Satur or cholesterol and animal fat that more people die from cardiovas disease as a as a result of that um also there was a there's a Metaanalysis with 44 randomized control trials in it that actually showed that people

on a high fat meat-based ketogenic diet um that actually it was the healthier um people with lower BMI that actually had higher LDL cholesterol and that as you got larger BMI it actually went down so it sort of went down sharply and sort of leveled off and then as you got in to the the extremes of obesity it actually LDL even went down further right okay so why is that these people are typically less healthy it's um you know associated with poor health outcomes and being uh obese and yet they have lower LDL okay so

it's good that's everyone should get obese then I guess it's heart heart healthy but we know that's not true so the lower BMI individuals that are typically more um metabolically healthy and healthier in other ways they're the ones that had higher LDL so you have your you have your your biochemical markers improving and we see this in people on Carnivore diet and ketogenic diets they improved massively diabetes goes away autoimmunity goes away all these other sorts of you know issues get better and better and better and better and Better but everyone goes that sticking for

oh my goodness LDL okay well not everybody's LDL goes up in fact people that are less healthy it goes down okay um but if all your markers and all your bio markers getting better and you've lost 200 pounds 300 pound 400 pounds you know was a lady in an Australian named Limitless Lindy that's lost 500 pounds right um documented she documented the entire way 500 pounds okay you're telling me that that her cholesterol being slightly up compared to what we consider normal and everything else being better that she needs to just go back to what

she was doing before and put back on the 500 pounds because she's at such a high risk for heart disease now that doesn't make any sense like all everything is showing that she's improving her health and you're telling me that high LDL is now just it it's just it's going to kill her that's what's going to kill her everything's getting better so actually that's associated with Better Health and improving health so why are we saying that that's a bad bad thing I I think that's a good thing and that's what a lot of these large

population studies show is that higher cholesterol And higher LDL cholesterol actually improves Health outcomes and lowers where is associated with a lower all cost mortality rate meaning that they live longer and so that that's really all you need to know I mean this was this was a complete and utter fraud fraud you know people like anel keys perpetuated this fraud for money and we know that we have hard evidence of it the journal American Medical Association one of the top medical journals in the World published the internal memos from the sugar companies back in the

60s detailing how they paid off three Harvard professors to falsify data and publish fraudulent studies to make it appear as if cholesterol caused heart disease when it was much more likely to be sugar and and certainly cigarettes and things like that um and then then they exonerated sugar and said that it was safe and then one of those professors was named head of the USDA and he was the one who authored and published the the USDA declaration in the late '70s saying that cholesterol caused heart disease Satur fact greas cholesterol stop eating both oh my

goodness um you know then you look at that so that we know That's a fraud we know that's a lie you know the Framingham study tried to suggest that that or people said that the Framingham study said that higher levels of cholesterol was associated with higher all um cardiovasular disease mortality rates but in fact that was actually what the American Heart Association claimed it showed when in fact the original data showed the opposite that as you lowered total cholesterol you increased um cardiovascular disease mortality rate um then more recently the journal American College of Cardiology

the top Cardiology journal in the world they published an umbrella review which is the tip toop pointy bit of the Pyramid of the evidence hierarchy pyramid right you have randomized control trials high quality ones you can do crap randomized control trials but let's say you have high quality ones put those into meta analysis if you have crappy ones you put that into me met analysis you'll get a crappy meta analysis garbage in garbage out but let's say you have high quality meta analysis uh randomized control trials do high quality meta analyses then over the years

you get a number of other meta analyses of high Quality randomized control trials then you say okay let's do a met analysis of those met analyses that's called number umbrella review so it's the tippy top point of that pyramid as good as you're going to get and one of these was published in the journal American College of Cardiology in 2020 and they looked at all the best evidence available for saturated fat being being causitive or linked at all to cardiovascular disease and they found absolutely no connection whatsoever in the highest levels of evidence between increase

saturated fat consumption and cardiovascular disease in fact they found an inverse relationship between saturated fat consumption and strokes so people that ate more saturated fat had less Strokes people ate less saturated fat had more Strokes so any way any way you want to slice it we have been absolutely lied to and misled in fact just look at the the um 2015 US nutrition guidelines dietary guidelines they in 2015 they actually dropped the recommendation to limit saturated fat and cholesterol dietary cholesterol because they said there's absolutely no connection between dietary saturated fat and cholesterol and any

poor Health outcome including cardiovascular disease so that that's already in the guidelines and people just forget that and so when you look at the you know the vegan um you know Mafia who who cherry-pick and desperately try to defend their ideology because because it's indefensible so they have to lie and um and and for to character assass assassination that's one of the shumer said that the first thing that people do to um protect their ideology is lie and Thomas Soul said and the second thing they do is character assassination so they they do one steps

one two and and they' invented so you know four and five three four and five as well but you know they're they're looking at this and saying that um that you know they're trying to defend their ideology on you know how this can can possibly be um but um you it's it's really indefensible we have mountains of evidence that saturated fat does not cause a problem cholesterol does not cause a problem I mean you know again you look at that that the it's in the guidelines already by 2015 and no one really thought about it

so these people would say well look at look at the um the recommendations from The European uh Council on the subject it's just like well why don't you use the US ones you know you and you're just skipping over the fact that those got taken out they're not recommending you limit um your calories at saturated fat to 10% that got that got removed in 2015 and in fact The JCC the Journal of American College of Cardiology they said explicitly like this we should not there should be no arbitrary upper limit on the consumption of saturated

fat and and the authors the lead authors on that paper had previously been on the panels that recommended limits on saturated fat consumption and so this is them saying hey we got it wrong this is what the data actually shows and so they circumvent that and say oh well you know they make excuses about that that study and then they say well look at look at the the European you know recommendations well that's that's expert opinion that's literally the lowest rank of um of evidence and you're dismissing the highest rank of evidence in favor of

the lowest rank of evidence and ignoring the fact that other expert opinion like the USA 2015 guidelines said yeah don't worry about dietary saturated fat and Cholesterol it's it's completely a non-issue very complete answer I want to ask about the microbiome people are going to be concerned around well I need a diverse microbiome is the carnival died enough to have a diverse microbiome what are your thoughts well you can you can ask the Inuit and uh people have done studies on them when they're eating just meat and they find out actually they have it extremely

uh diverse and healthy microbiome in fact I've spoken to experts on the microbiome and and they they say they love the carnivore diet because you get such a healthy uh gut bacteria and that that that's what a lot of people are finding you know moving to a carnivore diet um later in life not being born into it like like some populations some some Lucky Bastards are and um and they're finding that they're they're massively improving the health of their microbiome um in fact there was um or we're seeing this just just all over the place

and many people are publishing this you know Ken Dr kenberry has published this you know benaza has published this um Dr sha omara has published this and in fact Dr sha omara his microbiome was so good that the you Know the president or whomever of the company they he used to test his microbiome personally called him and said you have the best microbiome our company has ever tested what the hell are you doing he's like all right I'll tell you and um benaza who's been doing a a clean omnivorous car ketogenic diet so high-fat meat-based

but with vegetables fruits and vegetables and all that sort of stuff with all this lovely fiber and blah blah blah and he'd been doing it for years and so he checked his microbiome and it was he said it was good but it wasn't great and then the recommendations was was were that um he should uh eat less meat eat less red meat in particular and eat more uh fruits and vegetables in fiber and so he said he did the exact opposite and stopped eating all fiber and pretty much only ate red meat three months later

his he said his microbiome was exemplary it had improved dramatically in every every uh category and that it actually showed up that had had six new species of microb that were extremely healthy that showed up that weren't there before so he's like okay explain that one where' those ones come from So you know we are seeing a lot of improvements the you know the other thing we should we should always remember is that is that our understanding of the microbiome is is still in its infancy I worked with um a an anesthesiology an intensivist here

in um in Australia works in the ICU runs the and um very bright guy very nice nice gentleman and um but his his main his main um work really is is studying the microbiome And he as of 2019 he had over 200 peer-reviewed Publications on the microbiome and speaking to him about that he said that once we figure out you you know how the hell the microbiome works and how to improve it we will really um be able to do a lot you know with people's health and then we'll really know a lot about medicines

once we understand right so this is this is a guy who who's published over 200 papers on the subject and he's saying we don't understand this yet we don't know how to manipulate it we don't know how to improve it we don't even know what improved necessarily looks like we are just we're just figuring this stuff out we're still it's still very much in its infancy so if that guy has the humility and the And the you know the knowledge to say look we we really don't know enough about this yet to make any definitive

statements uh no one else should be making that statement either but you know what we do see in the studies have been done with Native populations like the Inu is that the microbiome is extremely healthy and that when people go to a meaton diet ours become extremely healthy which would make sense if we're eating what we're designed to eat we should have the microbiome and oral biome that we should have this is something we noticed too when eating carbohydrates and we know about sugar but it's all carbohydrates all carbohydrates are sugars that's the carbohydrates are

sugars right complex sugars or simple sugars Etc but they're sugars and the bacteria that eat sugars are the ones that cause cavities in humans okay so if your teeth are rotting out of your head probably not eating the right thing I mean what animal in nature has rotten teeth typically none because if you lose your teeth you lose the ability to eat and you die right you can't fight off Predators you can't defend yourself you can't you know get mating rights NE necessarily You can't eat is the main thing right you lose your teeth you

lose the ability to eat and uh you die so koalas for instance they don't regrow their teeth and so they grow their teeth once and then they get worn down to little nubbin and it's very tough fibrous plant eucalyptus and so eating this their whole life they they typically don't you know just die of old age and fall over and and and whatever they they go until they they wear their teeth down to nothing and then they starve to death it's it's not really a nice way to go so when you when your teeth don't

work and your teeth rot out of your head you're done and and teeth then teeth of animals even though they're dirty they don't have dentists they're you know crocodile just sitting there in in swamp water with its mouth open you know I mean like come on if their teeth are going to rot out they're done okay so why are our teeth rotting out why are we having so many dental problems um because we're eating the wrong things and so we have the wrong oral biome as well and so you know by extension we probably have

the wrong microbiome because the bacteria in your mouth get into the food that You chew up and then swallow and some of that can possibly bypass the the the noxious stomach acid that we have and and get ped into your your lower intestine so that's probably where Ben's six new microbes came from which is probably from his oral biome and um you know so that makes sense what you eat is going to feed the bacteria in your body either in your mouth or in your intestine and so if you're eating the food that you're designed

to have you should be feeding and promoting the bacteria that you are designed to have as well so it makes perfect sense that uh that would be the case I want to ask you about blood sugar some people have a persistent increase in blood sugar when they do a carnival diet some people's blood sugar drops which is normal and fine why is it that some people have an increase in blood sugar persistently um well I I would have to sort of see them Case by casee because it it is extremely rare and it also depends

on how you're you're testing these sorts of things I've actually never had a patient and I I test hundreds of people's blood Bloods all the time uh when going a carnivore diet you know do preliminary blood work When they come in then we we look at this often they're diabetic or pre-diabetic and we say okay look this is this is something that is going to be really important to you looking into therapeutic carbohydrate restriction and and you know the U they may have other sorts of things where say well actually I think it should be

really important to actually exclude plants as well especially with autoimmunity Etc and we have large clinical trials in humans showing that ketogenic diets um high fat meat based ketogenic diets they reverse diabetes so I've never seen anybody actually have persistently high blood sugar um I've seen people's hb1c not go down as much as you would as as other people would and there can be reasons for that um such as uh you know persistent stress poor sleep um stress these sorts of things um they could also just not actually be doing a ketogenic carnivore diet they

could be including other things in their diet that would be my first guess you know um but you know my my patients I've never seen that um if that if that word happen to me people should understand as well that that we do know from clinical data that if you average Five hours of sleep or less a night for just seven nights in a row you will actually give yourself pre-diabetes so you'll elevate your blood sugar and this is this is due to the cortisol um that's released and the massive amounts of cortisol that's released

and that that deranges your metabolism and and you get pre-diabetes so I would have to take all of those in a caseby case basis but the first thing I'd be looking at are you actually eating the way that we we discussed and what and I always asked what exactly are you eating quite often you'll find some things in there that is just like okay well those are you need to take those things out and you take those out and problem goes away if it's a big if they're actually only eating fatty meat and water um

and they're still having persistently high blood sugar I'd be looking at sleep I'd be looking at stress as the as the main uh focal points but uh again I really haven't seen that in in anybody uh clinically um another concern that people have is not being able to lose weight on a Carnival diet why do you think people might be gaining weight or not being able to lose weight on car Oh well I mean that that comes up um it's it's actually the exception not the rule a lot of people do lose weight fairly readily

we do need to remember that weight is different than fat loss what people want is they want to lose fat they don't want to lose weight so a lot of people mistake the two and so they do things like taking OIC or goie those sorts of things and they they take those drugs and it paralyzes their stomach so they physically can't eat anymore just like if they got bariatric surgery um but then there's they're haven't changed their eating habits so they're eating really you know poorly and they lose weight but actually 40% of that weight

is actually lean body mass so it's muscle bone healthy tissue that you you really can't afford to lose and then people typically regain that weight but they regain it in fat and so they don't regain their lean body mass and that that's um that's really bad so it's not important to lose weight it's important to lose fat and so when people are exercising they're lifting weights they're have making healthier decisions with their their diet and they might make healthier decisions with Their lifestyle as well they could very easily be putting on muscle especially if they're

working out um you know actively and so if they're putting on muscle and they're losing fat it might actually offset they may not lose all that much weight at all so may not be an actual stall could just be that their their body habitus is is reforming so sometimes people testing their waist circumference which you actually have to do laning down by the way you have to be on your back and then take a uh tape measure and put that around the level of your um of your belly button and measure it that way that's

what's more accurate and so it may be that you're staying the same weight or even gaining weight but your Weist circumference is going down down down down down right okay well then don't worry about it you're losing fat and you're gaining muscle okay so that's fine if you are really not changing your body habit it's like you got a dexa scan and you're just like no I'm not I'm not losing any fat that can be um for a few reasons but one of the main ones is that when people are doing all these starvation diets

in different sorts of ways of of limiting That what they're eating they're getting surgery they're taking medications they're just starving themselves you're going to trash your metabolism your body doesn't know that you're just trying to slim down and and fit into a smaller dress size your body all your body knows are inputs and outputs and so your your body's telling you it's hungry it needs nutrition and you're not bringing it in there's no animal on Earth that when hungry will not eat their optimal food when it's sitting there in front of them and so it's

sending the signal saying hey you're hungry you need to eat and there's no food coming in and so your body just goes right we're in a famine we're struggling it's winter there's something going on here and we to slow down the metabolism and and we see this there was something called the Minnesota starvation trial which are good for an Anil Keys went around starving people like they were in concentration camps probably got a sick joy out of it I don't know I I really don't like the guy obviously some people are much more generous to

him um obviously he had to do some good work or else he wouldn't have had a Reputation to sell to the highest bidder but I I just I really think that he's done so much harm to the world that he he's really irredeemable but uh Minnesota starvation trial happened during World War II they want to see okay if you're if people are just really not um if we had to like severely rash and if this was a protracted War um that uh you know how how on how little can people live and what happens afterwards

with refeeding and things like that so they they starve the hell out of people and and sure they they lost a lot of weight but then it plateaued and they stopped losing weight and they were able to maintain you know you know what what you would a figure that you would see in a concentration camp but they were able to maintain that and survive on you food that that should have killed them really and um and uh you know that's because the the the metabolism slowed down and in fact they found in that study that

um eating the way they did they were eating so little that if it was just about calories in calories out they would have lost more weight than they started with and just ceased to exist or you know AKA died And uh they didn't the body was able to adapt and adjust there there's all life on Earth can deal with a famine because there are famines and so all species have been had have had to weather famines at some point even even bacteria have to do this at some at some stage and so if you're not

able to do that you die right so we do this on purpose and our metabolism slows down if you look at um The Biggest Loser that show lost a whole bunch of weight the classic sort of thing you know eat two celery sprouts and you know Crush yourself on the elliptical or something like that um in fact I had a lady who was on um that show and she said it was actually really it was a lot worse than that that the producers were really encouraging like disordered eating and and eating disorders and things like

that because they just wanted results they just wanted people losing a ton of weight and um but they checked the the metabolic rate of these people and it absolutely was trash trashed so yeah a lot of people lost weight just like they did in the starvation trials but they absolutely trashed their metabolism and then they checked them six years later they'd all regained The weight and their metabolisms had not recovered they were still bottomed out and this is why you get um yo-yo dieting right so you starve yourself for a while you lose some weight

but then it plateaus and you're like okay I'm starving myself I'm miserable I hate this and I'm not even losing weight anymore well this is stupid you get very discouraged and you you start eating other ways and then Wham your weight goes up you actually regain more weight than you lost because your metabolism is just depressed your body's like we just went through a famine we need to store up for the winter because that that's just what we're doing like a bear getting obese for the winter and then sleeping it off you know your body's

just like okay well we need to survive we we're going into the next famine is right around the corner we need to store everything that we can that's how you survive and so then you're going into into a proper diet that's actually fit for humans and your metabolism is still crushed it can take time to recover uh I check people you know different sort of signs of of of metabolic Health like they're fasting insulin you can check Glucose as well um also things like leptin Le P TI n that's a that's a very important hormone

that's a that's a satiety hormone and people that have elevated leptin so they have leptin resistance is what it's called that they all actually find that that's that's that's a associated with with a slower metabolism so is higher um you know insulin resistance so higher the insulin the slower the metabolism and the higher the leptin the slower the metabolism as well there's other markers as well there's actually quite a few but those are those are some interesting ones um that you can keep track of fasting insulin if you go ketogenic you go on a ketogenic

carnivore diet that will come down fairly quickly and i' I've seen extremely elevated fasting insulin levels that start to correct straight away and even you know massively correct with within a few months and uh but it can take time depending on how high it is but it does come down once you stop eating carbohydrates and all this other garbage so that starts coming down in leptin takes a lot longer than that and so if you have elevated leptin it just understand that you have a slowed Metabolism From whatever Life Choices you'd made before and you

could be one of these slow burners that you have to wait for that leptin to come down before you you're and your in the rest of your metabolism to perk up before you start your body starts letting go of your fat stores so things that can cause leptin resistance insulin blocks leptin it blocks it at the at the level of the hypothalamus so the hypothalamus and feeds into the pituitary and the hypothalamus and pituitary uh release a lot of major major hormones that then go to testes and men ovaries and women adrenals and both and

they stimulate all these hormones coming out very important part of the brain leptin influences that and can actually influence the hypothalamus and the hormones then coming out of it insulin blocks leptin at the level of the H hypothalamus so not only are you feeling like you're starving all the time because leptin is the satiety hormone um so you don't know that you're satiated you just keep eating keep eating keep eating because the signals that you're getting from your body is that you're starving and you need to keep eating and insulin is the fat storage hormon

so as your insulin goes Up you're actually incapable of burning fat people with an insulinoma that secretes a lot of insulin uh they cannot burn fat they just get enormously obese it doesn't matter what they eat because everything that goes into their body just gets stored into fat and people with with um type 1 diabetes don't make any insulin they could eat 50,000 calories a day they won't put on any fat at all they will waste away until they die right so insulin is the fat storage hormone you start eating carbohydrates that raises insulin you

are going to store fat you won't be able to burn fat simple as but okay why is it then when your insulin starts coming in well your insulin could be elevated right so that needs to start coming down before your body's going to be able to access your fat stores once that comes down you can have this derangement with the with your leptin as well and that can be a sign of your other metabolic issues but insulin blocks leptin fructose blocks leptin alcohol blocks leptin and um lectins plant toxins called lectins block leptin and so

you need to get rid of all these things and when you do that leptin starts coming down that's another Thing when people are stalling like oh my blood sugar is this or that's not really working is are you drinking alcohol because it's always assumed I mean it's not meat so you know obviously you're you know you should assume like like well no I'm doing a carnivore diet I'm not having anything else I'm not eating anything else are you drinking alcohol oh I do drink alcohol yes okay how often you drink alcohol oh well I have

you know sort of you know three or four beers okay on the weekends or yeah every day you know like okay so you know um that's obviously going to have an impact isn't it and so but people don't necessarily think about those sorts of things um so that that's that's one of the things that that see when you go into a ketogenic carnivore diet leptin even if it's extremely elevated to the point that bariatric surgeons will just say there's no way you can possibly lose weight with diet and exercise it's not going to happen you'll

have to get surgery if you want to lose weight that's not true though you can lose weight it just has to be the right diet and exercise it has to be ketogenic and it's better if it's a plant-free Ketogenic diet because you're going to cut out the plants with the lectins in it as well and you will see that leptin come down but it takes months if it's especially if it's very elevated and it's and so sometimes people won't lose weight while that leptin's up now there's going to be other things going on too with

their metabolism and so but that's a pretty good surrogate marker for your metabolism so as that leptin comes down down down down down once it gets down to a you know thorough you know low enough point and your metabolism has recovered to a certain extent that's when you see weight just stop start dropping off so I always counsel people and say listen most people lose weight pretty quickly but not everybody does and if you and you know you have high leptin so you could be in that category where it's it's a much more Slow Burn

for some reason women uh with elevated leptin are more commonly slower to lose weight I don't I don't know but you know men got the long end of the stick on that one it seems like a lot of men even with high leptin um seem to do okay with with losing uh fat more quickly but a lot of women do too I've had women that were in that range that bariatric surgeons would say you know over a 100 say there's no way in hell you can possibly lose weight and you know they they' lose you

know significant amount of weight you know straight away in the first few months and so and then it just keeps keeps losing weight after that um but if you're if you're in that category where you're not really losing weight straight away you know just understand that that your metabolism takes time to heal and repair and to focus on your health because that's the most important thing I know a lot of people come to these sorts of um ways of eating because they want to lose weight but really this is about your health and as you

improve your health your your weight will follow your body habitus will follow and so the most important thing is your health that's what you need to focus on how are you feeling how is your energy your mental your mental health your mental Clarity all these sorts things how's your diabetes doing how's your autoimmunity doing are you coming off medications your blood pressure coming down those those are the most important Things very distant second is body composition you could be losing fat and putting on muscle and not losing any weight or even putting on weight most

important thing is the health though very distant second is a body composition nowhere on that list is weight because weight doesn't tell you anything about health or body composition and that's that's really important things to remember I want to talk about how to get faster or more optimal Carnival results let's first talk about what to eat and then things to avoid what do we need to be eating on a carnivore diet the the main things to remember is that is that this is a real carnivore diet and and the best version of a carnivore diet

is strictly high fat meat and water and that's it and so if you're not getting the results that you want take a look at exactly what you're eating if you're having you know some drinks on the weekend or every couple of weeks or you're still having coffee and maybe you're putting in some artificial sweeteners or maybe having some dairy or all these sort cut them out just cut them out some a lot of people think that a carnivore diet is just eating a lot more meat oh I'm on a carnivore diet I'm Eating all this

meat well no you know it's it's actually it's actually excluding all these other things and that that's where the main benefit comes from you're not eating things that cause harm and there are a lot of things that cause harm me does not cause harm so that's safe to eat so you eat that and but you need to avoid all these other things so if you know if you want to get the best results you need to exclude everything except fatty meat red meat especially is the best um Dairy is a is a classic stall people

using cheese or milk or these sorts of things milk has carbohydrates so that's going to kick you out of ketosis but also um milk and milk products have call quom Morphin which signal the baby animal to drink more drink more drink more eat more eat more eat more eat more because they you need to grow fast as a baby because babies are vulnerable the the most commonly eaten thing in the wild are babies unfortunately which is really sad to think about but that's the case and that's because they're they're they're easy targets right they can't

really defend themselves like an adult can and so um which is why the adults Have to protect their babies um very very um carefully and so um when we eat these ques morphins as an adult it gives us the same signals eat eat eat eat eat in fact um I found a paper from the 1930s that talked about the best way to fatten up hogs for lard because that was the main product from pigs was lard and it was to give them a combination of grains and skim milk skim milk not full fat milk skim

milk and skim milk was a byproduct of the the cream and butter industry it was it literally a throwaway product but they gave it to pigs and they found that that combination actually made them overeat and so I said there's nothing special in here that makes them fat it just causes them to overeat and just keep eating and keep eating and keep eating and they get extremely obese and the carbohydrates raise insulin and that tells them to store fat and the ques Morphin tell them to just keep eating and then they get a drop in

their blood sugar because their insulin's so high they it's called reactive hypoglycemia this happens in people too and so you feel horrible and you go oh my God I need to eat something even though you just Had all this food and all these calories they're locked away you can't use them and so your blood sugar drops down and you eat more and so um I mean what is grains and skin milk just breakfast cereal right so you know we're feeding people by the billions in the same way that we've known for centuries is the best

way to fatten up hogs for Slaughter right so not a great idea idea so the best thing you can do is eliminate out everything except fatty meat and water get rid of everything cut out Dairy cut out coffee cut out all these things and uh and just eat fatty meat and water sometimes people undereat it's very easy to undereat on a carnivore diet and you can stall that way as well because you're telling your body you're in a famine and you're not eating enough so you eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good and sometimes

eating a little bit more actually raises your metabolism we tell people we don't want to slow your metabolism we to encourage your metabolism so I tell my patients who are trying to lose weight to eat more but eat the right things and they lose weight and they lose a lot of weight and they get down to their their optimal Uh optimal weight and um it's it's a little counterintuitive but when you understand how the metabolism works and that you have one and it can you know slow down and speed up according to your inputs you

know it it starts to make a lot more sense so eat high fat meat um avoid the tea coffee and alcohol alcohol cuz that's was a question I got around can I have tea coffee and alcohol obviously not you have to try to avoid it um what do you think about iodine do you have to add that to a carnival diet so in in my Pati um I I I quite often will um test for iodine and I found that's about 50/50 for carnivores and non-c carnivores just everybody's about 50/50 have enough IOD that's going

to have to do that's it has to do with with soil health for the plants that you're eating the soil that's grown in for the animals that you're eating that are on grass or feed and you know what's in the soil of that plant that they eat seafood has a lot of of iodine because the ocean is replete with iodine and so if you're eating you know fish and those sorts of things um Farm fish you want to avoid uh but uh wild caught fish is really good I do know of some people that Are

starting to come out with some farmed fish where they're actually because the whole point is they feed them a bunch of garbage they're not designed to eat either so they're not going to be as healthy because they're not eating the right food and so they're not going to have the right nutrients U but there are some companies that are that are trying to look into that and see okay well can we feed a fish more know natural fish food and allergies and things like that so they actually get the the proper nutrients and so they're

healthy and so therefore you know we be healthy but at the moment it's you pretty much want to just stick to to wild caught so if you're eating Seafood usually people are okay if the soil health is good and has a lot of iodine and things like that then you know you're probably you're probably fine but I think it's worth testing it's um it's something that that I think a lot of people will will be surprised that it is interesting that um you know i' I've tested people and their thy their thyroid is perfect their

health is perfect all these things are perfect and their eye is like oh Actually that's that's bit lower than you want and um so you know easy enough you add in a bit more Seafood it comes right up you know if they don't want to do that you do some Lugal drops things like that I don't think it's you know too horrible to to add any of these things I I don't think you need to supplement unless you need to supplement but it's easy enough to check you know just check just get your blood tested

usually with urine you have to do a urine sample as well because they they correct it against your creatinine as well and your your kidney function and so um just check and if you you need iodine then either add more seafood or or supplement but um plenty don't but it's it's about 50/50 I'd say for for everybody I I don't it just comes down to soil Health really okay do you think people would need electrolytes when you first start Carnival that's a big question that people have um some do so when your when your insulin

is dropping insulin insulin um pulls in more electrolytes out of your kidneys from eliminating that in your urine and so your kidney has to overcompensate when your insulin starts going up up up up up up up because it'll Draw in too many electrolytes you're not going to be able to sort of get rid of the Surplus and too many electrolytes in your blood will kill you just as fast as two little electrolytes so you have to maintain a homeostasis you have to maintain a perfect balance and so if you're drawing in too many with your

with your um insulin then your kidneys have to overcompensate to draw out even more electrolytes so what happens well and that can take decades takes decades and decades and decades to sort of slowly creep up your insulin so your your kidneys have time to adapt to that so what happens when you all of a sudden go ketogenic carnivore and you're just insulin just 12 drops down to normal in a couple of months well okay it doesn't have this it doesn't have the years to compensate for that and so you can get a bit of a

drop off in your electrolytes and you can also spill out more water you can get uh low blood volume and you can get hypovolemia and so this generally manifests as uh dizziness especially when getting out of a chair it's called postural hypotension so you stand up and go oh God you know mean we've all sort of got a bit of a Head Rush sometimes when we stand up too quickly uh but this would be happening like every time you do it right that by the way can happen too when you're on blood pressure medications and

your blood pressure starts correcting because your insulin comes down your homoy goes down all these other sorts of things that can cause high blood pressure correct now all of a sudden you're on too much medication and you're you're just dizzy and whacko and out of it so you need to be careful of that as well but you can lose too many electrolytes early on as your insulin's adjusting but just like your in your kidney is adjusted on the way up it can adjust on the way down it's just sometimes s there's a bit of a

lag and you can lose too many so if you're finding that you're symptomatic like that you just you're not feeling well and you don't feel good and some people attribute that the the keto flu to that I think a lot of the keto flu is also going to be withdrawals and and keto specifically when you're going ketogenic um people start eating massive amounts of vegetables as well that have massive amounts of plant toxins and you're just poisoning yourself and you're just Like oh God I don't feel well like well I I don't doubt it you're

withdrawing from a bunch of drugs like sugar and you're adding in a whole bunch of toxins from plants and like yeah that I wouldn't feel good either um with carnivore you can get that as well again you're going to feel some withdrawals but you can also feel a bit crummy because of the low electrolytes if you are going to have electrolytes you do feel that that would benefit you and you try it and it helps you great but don't do the ones that with artificial sweeteners or artificial flavoring just do the plain old you know

electrolytes um but it should be uh temporary you shouldn't really need to do this long term I I do know of one individual who really needs to salt a lot his food like a lot get like seven grams of salt a day um and that's Dave Felman he's been doing keto for a long time and he just feels um you know pretty awful if he doesn't salt the living hell out of his out of his food and he us he uses quite a bit of salt it's actually a bit funny because you know we'll be

you know when we're at different conferences and things like that you know he'll be he'll be Salting his food and we'll be halfway done with our meal and he's like still salting and things like that so um it's kind of funny but you know that that works for him and and that's fine you know there is work from uh Professor Steve finny has actually shown that certainly in that that adjustment period you you will often need to add five to seven grams of salt to um to a ketogenic diet um or or else you could

you can feel a bit rotten but um in practice I find that that a lot of people uh are fine um it could be that you know if you have that that I can help you through the early stages and it might be something to do with with um your electrolytes but I I I find that quite a lot of people just do fine they they weather the early stages little teething periods just fine um and um they don't necessarily need that I've certainly never tested anybody's blood test and found that their electrolytes were low

as then their potassium went low or their sodium went low you get you get very sick if that happens um and they go too low and so and you can die actually uh I've never seen that I haven't seen that in anybody's blood work um did see one Person I did a a um consultation with and his pottassium was you know a couple points below where you'd want it and he said but you know I feel fine I feel great and say okay why don't you just test it again because it could have just been

a you know a lab error and you test it again and it was completely normal so you know whatever it was if it was just a weird day and it didn't really affect him and went back up or it was just a lab error you know it was fine so yeah I mean long story short those are the symptoms to look for lightheadedness sort of fluish just feeling just unwell in general if that's the case you can add in more salt you can add in more electrolytes if that makes you feel better wonderful um drink

more water too that's uh that's helpful as well there are some people that overdo it and they just take massive amounts of electroly and they just dumping salt in they they basically just drinking sea water or something like that and you know and and then they're feeling awful like I don't know what's going on it's just like well that's that's going on don't do that um so be you know be a bit circumspect with it you know if You're having a problem and you think that might be it you know you can add these things

on but but do it judiciously don't don't add in just you know Mountain and mountains and mountains of salt you know just ease your way into it and get the right amount for you how often should people eat and should they do an aggressive fasting schedule um I I don't particularly promote fasting outside of specific medical conditions such as uh cancer or epilepsy if you if you need to do that in order to control your gki or your seizures um but for for just the normal person you tend to fall into a bit of a

fasting period like an interman F fasting period like I eat once a day why do I eat once a day because I'm only hungry once a day because when you're eating high density nutrition you don't need to eat as much or as often and so I find that if I'm getting enough fatty meat I I just need to eat once a day unless I'm I'm working out a lot playing rugby lifting weights and then I need to eat twice a day and that's um if I if I eat once a day I'll still feel good

I'll still have energy um and I'll get more toned and leaned and and muscular but I won't bulk up When I'm eating enough I'm eating twice a day then I stack on muscle very very easily when I'm working out and so it just depends on your body's demands um but you know the vast majority of the benefits you get from fasting I think come from just not eating the wrong things and we we know this from studies in um in the literature where they talk about um thousands of studies showing benefits of fasting but then

there's studies that say well it's difficult to fast um people don't like it they can't do it all the time so what about a diet that mimics fasting that mimics the metabolic state that you get in when you're fasting AKA a ketogenic diet but ketogenic diets are sort of a four-letter word in in a lot of academic circles so they have to hide it by well it's a fasting mimicking diet or something like that it's a ketogenic diet and so um or or therapeutic carbohydrate restriction you you have to make it sound fancier it doesn't

count in medicine and this is why we we name everything in Latin and Greek because it has to be something mysterious or else it's like why are why are you guys paying us if if we're just using normal words Like normal people than anybody could learn we have to have something mysterious like this whole new language to make it make it more exclusive uh it's a ketogenic diet that's what it is um and they find that these ketogenic diets these fasting mimicking diets that they have exactly the same benefits as fasting in in a number

of different specific outcomes like diabetes um for instance and um so you know other things when people say well autophagy you have to fast for a number of days before autophagy will kick in well actually that's actually one of the um functions of insulin one of the really important reasons to keep your um carbohydrate intake low is because you don't want to spike your insulin because insulin is the fat storage hormone but it also is is um is very important for it affects over hundred really hundreds of different uh physiological mechanisms in your body it's

an extremely important hormone it's very active and one of the things it does is it blocks autophagy so it's not that you have to starve yourself and your body's just looking around for food somewhere you have fat that's what your that's where your food is that's where your Energy is it's in your fat and so what it's doing is is autophagy is normal autophagy is normal housekeeping you're turning over these old dead dying damaged cells pre cancerous cells zombie cells whatever you want to call them and and turning over and Recycling and making more of

these important organells like mitochondria and so it's that all comes from insulin so that's going to happen normally on its own but if you elevate your insulin it stops right so fasting lowers your insulin it's not that oh we're looking around for for material because they'll break down these cells but then they'll make more of them they'll break down these old damaged mondria but then they'll make more of them so it's actually a resource um dependent process an an energy dependent process they're not doing this to say oh my God we have to survive so

we need to break these things down because we need energy or something like that it's actually it's just part of your normal programming and your normal housekeeping so I think that you just eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good you eat as many times a day that that is appropriate For you and um and you live your life you know I mean that applies to anything if you're if you're trying to lose weight eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good eat as many times during the day as you can try to get one

to two grams of fat per gram of of protein okay what if you're trying to put on weight you're trying to muscle up okay eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good eat it as many times a day as it as your body's asking you to get one to two grams of fat per gram of protein okay what if what about autoimmunity what about diabetes what about eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good eat as many times during the day as your body's asking you to try to get between one to two grams of

fat um um as protein it's the same thing um one I was going to say too one of the ways of of optimizing um your this experience is is adding in exercise I mean it's extremely important first thing you can do try to get your steps up if you can I mean some people are in a state that they're they're actually bedridden and they can't get up okay so you need to focus on the diet first and lose enough weight and gain enough health so that you can get out Of bed and and start walking

and then you start walking as much as you can and start doing what you can uh eventually or or if people are um in a position to uh lift weights anerobic exercise is is extremely healthy and it's a lot more healthy than just long drawn out jogs and things like that marathons even um so lifting weights and uh sprinting those are the two best exercise you can do sprinting is probably the best allaround full body workout that anybody can do and if you start now when you can when you're young then you just you know

you do a Sprint session three days a week you know just 10 Sprints for maximal you know 10 100s uh three days a week you'll be able to keep doing sprints into your n in your 80s and 90s and over a 100 and you're more likely to live over 100 as well if you're if you're exercising like that but if you never stop with um that level of exercise you'll never have to you'll never lose the ability to sort of very jarring statistic a while ago which was only 1% of people over 40 will ever

Sprint again which is wild now most people over 40 should be able to Sprint but they just won't and eventually they'll lose the ability to And so that's not something you want to lose because as you grow older the less you do the less you'll be able to do but the converse is true too that the more you do the more you'll be able to do so I've seen men and women in their 60s and 70s um and and I've heard of others even later than that that started trying to change their diet fix their

health and and started trying to Sprint so they started with walking started going as fast as they could and started build up you can build up on the exercise bike and you can try and go as hard as you can on a stationary bicycle and they were able to build up and actually start sprinting again in their 70s you know which is amazing and they massively improved their health as a result of that and uh and put on muscle even in their 70s so you know that's something that is is very beneficial to People's Health

and it it obviously helps with fat loss as well but you know you got to got to remember that you you will be putting on if you're working out and you're sprinting you're lifting weights you will be putting on muscle especially on a carnivore diet and you'll probably be losing fat as well but you know it may Look like a stall because oh my I'm not losing any fat but your clothes are fitting better and you're feeling better and so you're likely losing fat but but putting on muscle last question for you you have probably

helped thousands of patients millions of people on on social media what do you think people do wrong the number one thing they do wrong on a carnivore diet when they first start um I I think it's usually they're not actually fully on a carnivore diet that's that's that's the most common thing when I when I see people um not having the results that they want maybe they're getting improvements but they're like yeah I feel better but I'm not really getting these dramatic improvements that everybody else is talking about um it it's almost always that they're

not pure meat and only water that's a big one and the other one is is just is having those unrealistic expectations you know we get so myopic with one thing like they want fat loss or they want their ECMO to go away or they want something and so they're focused on that one thing and so they they lose sight of the forest for the trees because all these things are getting better And improving improving improving but this one thing isn't going as fast as they want and they're just like what the hell's happening you get

very anxious and you can get very discouraged and you can end up dropping off of it because you're like well this isn't happening not working for me I and I've I've seen people there's one lady in the comment she was and she was very nice you know she said that she actually really really liked the carnivore diet she was really sad that it didn't work for her um because you know it made her feel so much better she was able to come off her medications for autoimmune diseases U her diabetes went away and she felt

so much better had tons of energy and mental Clarity brain fog was gone she was sleeping better and so she was like all these you know feeling so much better but you know just wasn't really losing weight so I guess it just didn't work for me and I had to had to stop it it just like sounds like it was working amazingly well for you you know it's just you know you have to look at the whole picture and not just at at one end point you know because of that that one end point isn't

moving as fast as you want it To you'll lose track of all these other things but so again first and foremost this is about your health your overall health is that improving and if the answer is yes then you need to keep going and eventually as you get healthier your weight and the eczema and all these other sorts of things will keep getting better um and when I asked that lady I say okay what exactly are you eating you know she said she was eating a lot of meat but she was also having Dairy and

coffee and um arrol monk fruit sugar in her coffee you know with cream and that is a classic weight loss doll is is artificial sweeteners and oh well no the studies show studies show what the the authors want them to show and when you have industry funded research you're going to get industry supportive results which are rther tall's great Ruther tall is great that's what you're going to get and all these benefits blah blah blah but when you get independent Labs that are doing independent studies then you generally find the opposite and so there there

are no end of studies showing that that uh rral Stevia other artificial sweeteners can actually give an insulin Spike and You get reactive hypoglycemia as a result your insulin goes up and you're again in this uh fat storage mode and you lock down your fat stor you can't actually burn fat those sorts of things and then you're adding in Dairy and all that sort of stuff so you know main thing is you know not looking at the big picture and you know being too focused on on one end point and not seeing all the other

benefits that you're getting you know count your blessings I mean it's a it's a it's a saying for a reason you know look at the things that are going better look at the things that are going well and and be thankful for that and and Trust the process and trust that this is you know the rest of it's going to improve as well because it's doing it for millions of other people why is it not going to do it for you all people and then be really actually full carnivore just eat fatty meat only drink

water cut out the rest you know down the line when you've reached your health goals and you want to add back in Poison you know go for it see how it goes and um you you add one thing back in at a time you say okay well I don't have a problem with that fine I mean I don't care you I'm Not I'm not here like you can only ever eat meat I just want people to understand that meat's not bad for you it's not going to cause disease and we've been lied to about this

that's important for people to know that plants do have toxins and they can cause disease and we're seeing this everyday life and um it really it really shouldn't be a fight I mean it's staring Us in the face but you know if you get your health improvements and you know you want to start adding things back in and you feel that they're not drawing you back and you making you you know go back suck you sucking you back into your old life and your old ways you know fine that's up to you if you can

get achieve these goals and not be you know strict just meat and water fine that's fine too A lot of people need to be though and so if you're not finding that you're getting the results that you want look at what you're eating it's not it's not enough to just eat meat because meat's not this magic Elixir that will just heal you it it's the nutrients that you need to allow your body to heal itself but these other things cause harm and prevent your body from healing itself and that's really important to Remember so if

you're not getting the results that you want if it's not going exactly how you want get rid of absolutely everything besides fatty meat and water and see how you go quite often things will get better how would you make America healthy again if you were to be nominated as um JFK Junior's team yeah wow that would that would be amazing just just to try to you know get these same principles out to people that you know there are things in this world that cause harm they're starting to figure that out and they're looking at processed

food but it's not just processed food there are other things that cause harm I mean you know I love that people are drawing attention to the fact that we have you know we're using artificial ingredients and and really garbage chemicals and putting this in food and and other Co countries that just have that as illegal you can't do that we know that these things cause harm or at least we strongly suspect they do and yet so they're illegal in other countries but they're legal in America and we're putting this crap in the food and um

you know that that that can cause harm but you know we're talking about like The different dyes and things like that that are in fro loops and other ingredients and all that sort of stuff and you know I I think that that's important to point out but at the same time you know the problem isn't that there's red Dy 40 in fro Loops the problem is you're eating Froot Loops right Froot Loops are just God awful trash and uh yes you know there should be a standard you know by which we we treat the food

industry that you don't get to put these deleterious chemicals in the food but the food is not food it's garbage you know and so you know that is really important to get rid of that crap get rid of this processed food um and educate people I think it's really important um actually um I think it's really important also to hold people accountable I mean we have um we have seen examples of you know we know the Sugar Company lied and put out you know fake research to say that that cholesterol caused heart disease people should

be held culpable for that and maybe those people that originally made that decision are dead now or have moved on but what about the people that have perpetuated that and continued to push um the funding of of Fraudulent studies to keep perpetuating that lie you know we had the the the the tobacco companies did this for 30 years um putting out research saying that fake research that said that tobacco wasn't addictive that it didn't cause AA it didn't cause cancer it was super good for you you know made you man's man and all that sort

of [ __ ] and um then they got caught out they found their memos that said like that they knew full well this stuff was horrible for you and totally addictive and um and what happened they got fined $400 billion do in the 80s oh my goodness it's a big F who cares they knowingly put out a product that was killing people by the millions right where the hell is the Criminal suit against them those bastards should have been in jail or in front of a firing squad that's mass murder they intentionally put out a

product that they knew would kill people so that they could profit off of it you have to die if that happens I'm not telling anybody to go hurt anybody I'm talking about actual in the judicial system those sorts of people should be criminally prosecuted and so I think it's the same thing the sugar companies that are putting Out this this horrible product and lying about it and they're paying people to lie I think that should be met with criminal uh action not just civil action um there's a lot of things I mean um you know

one of the things is is in industry it's the um you know the Food and Drug companies and things like that they get to decide what the FDA classifies as grass generally recognized as safe and that's that's putting the fox in charge of the hen house right so it's like they'll say like hey um is this generally recognized as safe like or or do we need to regulate you and do studies and see if it's okay no it's safe it's fine okay okay we trust you like why would you do that you know the job

of the FDA is is to actually check that stuff and um a lot of times we we put things in the food system in the food supply or in you know makeup and beauty and cleaning agents and these sorts of things without ever testing if they're healthy for humans and we have to wait until they get you know irrefutably proven to be toxic like tobacco before anything's ever done about it it's not even like those were banned it was just um they just you know knew about it now and people Just said hey this causes

empyema right and that was it um but you know like things like um trans fats you know we had trans fats for hundred years and um you know back in the '90s we knew that this was causing heart disease and heart attacks it it only got um banned in in to an appreciable level in 2020 right so it's like I mean I learned about how it's atherogenic um in um in organic chemistry you know in 2000 so you know why are we why are we waiting so long why are we why are we doing it

the other way around why aren't we proving something safe first before we start giving it to people to eat right right now we're just shoveling it in people and saying hey you can eat this and then you have to prove that it's toxic and then you can you can ban it but it it takes decades and decades and decades do it so that's backwards I think you need to prove something's safe first and then you know do that and also be reproducible because you have the the the um the glyphosate studies that said oh look

at these animal models three months totally fine no problems okay but who re when you reproduced it you you showed that no actually they get these animals get very very sick you just have To do it for for a decent amount of time when I was when I was learning the scientific method and how to how to conduct you know research and things like that um it was it was very clear like you you didn't you didn't trust something you put you you know looked at it with a grain of salt if it was just

someone's experiment that they did it had to be reproducible so if somebody hadn't hadn't reproduced or followed your same steps and gotten the same results in an independent setting you you just you don't really trust it yet and if it's reproducible elsewhere you're okay great that's fine um but we we've gone away from that we don't we don't do that we don't look at reproducible studies and it costs people too because um at David Sinclair uh from Harvard you know he came up with resveratrol it's like oh this anti-aging thing and you know grape seeds

and things like that I don't know why it would but okay so great we're saying that this is this is anti-aging and it it helps people well he sold the rights to Resveratrol to some you know major company for like $700 million right and then they tried to reproduce his studies and Couldn't so now they're suing him saying hey you sold us [ __ ] um but that's that's the whole point of you know um reproducibility like you need to show in an independent set that this actually works the way you say it to or

or you shouldn't you shouldn't spend $700 million on it um those sorts of things so criminalizing you know these these these um criminal business practices um I think is really important you know setting making actual Regulators say what's grass or not proving that something's safe before you start feeding it to people and having reproducible uh studies to show this and you know just as a complete side I think probably one of the main things that would would completely revolutionize healthc care as we know it is using reference ranges for lab tests that actually denote optimal

levels as opposed to averages and so people don't recognize this most doctors don't understand this that the lab reference ranges are just averages they're not optimal ranges they're not say oh this is what we want we treat them as that we say oh yeah you're in the reference range that's our reference range so that's that's fine that's what We use okay so if it's outside of that oh that's bad but in the race yeah that's all fine so that would assume and presume that those are optimal reference ranges but they're not and they're not even

advertised as optimal reference ranges they're op they're advertised as average reference ranges and the average person is sick overweight and malnourished why are we comparing ourselves to the average person I don't want to compare myself to the average person I want to compare myself to an optimal person and so when you look at optimal reference ranges is very different this is why every single lab in your same town will have different reference ranges people say well if you're in in a different location in a different environment you know that that matters it doesn't actually um

that's a complete completely madeup concept but um you know if you're if you're in the snow you need the same amount of B12 as you do in the desert you know it's B12 you just need it right and so but that also doesn't explain why three Labs all next door to each other in the same town all have different reference ranges you're in the same exact environment so that's that's Nothing new so just changing reference ranges to act actual agreed upon optimal reference ranges that have been found through maybe looking at averages for actual healthy

people and this has been done in Germany where they looked at people in their mid in their 20s average age 25 uh both men and women they just had normal BMI and no um diagnosed medical issues that's it very low bar and those reference ranges are wildly different and then through uh research and people studying this and saying okay what what's optimal where do we want to be and and saying okay this is what what we think based on This research using those reference ranges you would absolutely revolutionize medicine because you would allow doctors to

see problems instead of have it being hidden by the averages because if everybody you know the the average person in Western countries eats a 80% of their calories are plant-based it's just they're a largely um processed plants junk food right or pizza bread these sorts of things so that's you you know buy calories so people say oh we need to go plant-based we're already plant-based 80% plant-based except me Except you too you know so um you know that's um the the average person is plant-based and so the average person is not getting enough B12 that's

all there is to it and I check everybody's B12 they there's no one whose B12 is in a good range unless they're carnivore or heavily supplementing and most people don't supplement enough if they if they're not on a carnivore diet um and so but that's hidden because everybody's B12 deficient so because it's an Aver of that community that malnourished Community then you know you're hiding that so now because everybody's B12 deficient and you're looking at that average now no one's B12 deficient so that reference range just slid down to the left same with testosterone we

know now that testosterone in men is the lowest that's ever been in recorded history and yet most people are in that reference range okay that's because the reference range goes too low because it's a it's an average for a sick population and so when you go to the doctor and you feel unwell and you have all these problems you go I don't know what's going on but something's wrong and your doctor does a ton of blood tests and goes Like okay well what's going on well b12's fine testosterone's fine this is fine that's fine they

go okay well I don't feel fine so obviously you're not you're missing something and then you look at optimal reference ranges and you actually see that there's about 15 things that are wrong but if they're hidden in the average reference ranges you can't see them and so a doctor doesn't even know what there is to treat because he's not seeing anything right and so just using optimal reference ranges will allow you as a clinician to see what's wrong and to address it and I think that would that would make a massive difference I mean that

that's one of the main things I do in my practice is just look at optimal reference ranges I can show people all these things that are wrong and say look you have to change your life in these ways and you can use medications to help with that as well but you know if you if you are looking at the wrong reference ranges if you're looking at the average reference ranges you're not even going to see the problem in the first place unless it's really bad this it's just fluidly deficient or or or something else but

uh I think that would Make a massive massive difference in uh in how we treat patients very complete answer well thank you sir so much for your time if people want to find you more apart from your fabulous YouTube channel where can they find you uh yeah well thank you for having me it's always good to see you um I'm active on Instagram and um Twitter is and uh so Instagram is just my name Anthony chaffy MD um I my podcast is the plant Ford YouTube is the same Anthony chaffy MD Twitter is Anthony chaffy

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podcast now if you love this episode you'll also enjoy another episode I did with Sally Norton we discussed oxalates and oxalate dumping now especially if you're starting a carnival diet you might experience some oxalate dumping so you need to know what oxalates are and how to get rid of oxalates Sally will talk about the worst foods that are high in oxalates that you need to avoid and how to clear oxalates out of your system without the common side effects finally thank you for your interest in root cause healing and I'll see you next week