CIA Spy Reveals Secret Mind Control Techniques - Andrew Bustamante

When you're sitting underground with a key around your neck to destroy the world and you're like 27 years old the primary thought you have is in today's episode I sit down with an excia spy every operation assigned to me I was like who the gets to do this this is awesome oh [ __ ] but if I get caught I'm not going to get caught like we went super deep on all things influence getting secrets from people and Influencing people to do pretty much anything you want them to do perfect example is all the people

out there who try to teach you lie detection you have to skip to the part where you can quickly determine if they're lying because you're watching the micro expressions in their face all people of all types are motivated at their core by these four motivations and the acronym is r i c e rice the r stands for the word reward the I stands for ideology The C stands for coercion the E stands for if you understand which of those four motivations to lean on you greatly increase your opportunity to influence them in a short period

of time we talked about how the CIA literally hack people's brains and get information secrets and Intel from anybody and then leave without even being noticed well it's not just about stealing Secrets it's about getting access to them right secret operations are called clandestine Operations when you talk about like secret Ops covert Ops a lot of that terminology is Hollywood stuff what we call it in the professional world is clandestine operations truly clandestine operations are so secret that the operation is planned and executed and successful and evaded and nobody even knows it happened I asked

him about all the CIA conspiracies including the JFK assassination plus a few more and his answers will really take you by surprise Conspiracies all start because something factual happened 911 really happened JFK assassination JFK was assassinated like these are real things that actually happened that's the start of a conspiracy and then immediately after after the true event there is a a lack of information and then here's a convenient explanation a story and he taught us how to really think clearly in the moments of Chaos in the moments of stress and how we can make proper

Decisions and really get the exact outcome that we actually want I've been fearful for my life in at least two operations one of which is a counterterrorism operation and we actually had a terrorist bomb go off when a bomb goes off [ __ ] gets real holy [ __ ] stuff gets real this was probably one of my most favorite interviews I've ever done so you guys are in for a treat learning secrets from an xcia spy on influence Persuasion and Espionage so if you're brand new to this channel welcome to the Dream Out Loud

podcast make sure You' hit that subscribe button cuz every single week we put out amazing interviews and episodes to help you learn the skill set and the mindset to create your dream life so without further Ado help me and welcome the one and only Mr Andrew Bustamante Andrew welcome to the podcast my friend I'm excited to be here man thanks for Having me I'm so excited to have a conversation with you I've been watching all your stuff online for a while obsessively and um so we can give some context to everyone watching this what can

they expect over the next hour however long we're going to talk what what's in it for them to really hang around and listen to everything you're going to talk about I really hope that people stick around because what we're going to talk about is how to apply spy Frameworks proven CIA intelligence Frameworks to breaking through barriers in personal life professional life and social life that's what I specialize in and then we wrap all of that into a container that also makes it super relevant with current events current considerations and the real social dynamics of what

our world is challenging us with I love it so how has being a CIA spy how has that helped you coming out of the whole world of being a Spy how has that helped you in life and business I think the first place is that you know Espionage is an art of stealing Secrets like that's what Espionage is it's theft it's theft of Secrets and what I found when I became trained to be a professional intelligence officer I found that there are there are just as many Secrets out there as you've always suspected are out

there but until you know how to actually get access to those Secrets they really are Out Of Reach so For me I remember being in high school and college and and a young professional in the government and then even in Corporate America knowing that things were being kept from me but not ever knowing how to get access to those things it's like there was a group of people who knew and there was a group of people who didn't know and you know that the other group knows and the other group knows that you don't know

how to get to the same Secrets and there's always this divide and that's how you end up you know finding these people who are late 50s early 60s who are bitter and jaded because they never even had the opportunity to succeed because they never got access to the secrets that somebody else got access to that that annoys me like I said to you right before we got started I'm like I I've always loved a good conspiracy and uh especially being here in Vegas you Area 51 not far away and I always love these things and

what annoys me so much is I'm like I don't think I'll ever know all the things of the untold Secrets out there well unless I learn a lot of Secrets stealing things from yourself well it's not just about stealing Secrets it's about ging access to them right because true clandestine operations real like secret operations are called clandestine operations when you talk About like secret Ops covert Ops a lot of that terminology is Hollywood stuff what we call it in the professional world is clandestine operations truly clandestine operations are so secret that the operation is planned

and executed and successful and evaded and nobody even knows it happened wow right so think about like theft usually means I steal from you you report the theft if I steal from you and you never even know you were stolen from from it's not theft Right in that case it's like it's something I know I did it's a clandestine operation how does somebody become a spy there's a lot of different ways so I mean just for me I had friends who joined CIA and spent their entire like adult life trying to get there they went

to the right schools they studied the right things they networked with the right people and then they ended up getting recruited I have other people Who would have never in a million years thought to apply who were invited or got recruited or got desperate and had no other option and then ended up coming into the agency military people get recruited uh government people get recruited foreigners get recruited for me I was coming out of the military I was trying to go into a different arm of government service and then I got recruited kind of intercepted

as I was trying to go somewhere else what are They really looking for at someone when you're looking for someone who's going to be good at clandestine operations you're looking for someone that has a high- risk tolerance you're looking for somebody who can think quickly on their feet you're looking for somebody who has a natural way of learning social skills quickly uh and you're looking for somebody who's resourceful right somebody who can do more with very little uh and then even Better if they can do more with little and think on their feet in a

way that makes them socially enjoyable now all of a sudden you have essentially the perfect recipe for somebody that you can send anywhere in the world to get something done with little supervision and the harder it is the more motivated they are to keep trying so I heard part of your story was one of the things you did you were sitting on the ground nuclear weapon Keys talk to Us about that what what like I I want to understand what's happening in your head in that situation you've literally got the keys to in the world

almost like what walk us through that yeah so I was a I was an Air Force officer and I was what's known as a nuclear missile officer and there are you know a few hundred nuclear missile officers in the United States we sit in underground bunkers and we baby nuclear weapons and we have keys around our necks that are Wait we're just waiting to turn the key if the right order comes in when you're sitting underground with a key around your neck to destroy the world and you're like 27 years old the primary thought you

have is my life sucks because all of your other 27-year-old friends are at the bar meeting girls going on dates watching movies right like they're at the gym they're doing something where you are stuck in an underground bunker for Sometimes up to 72 hours at a time and then you might only do that two or three times in a month but that comes out to seven or eight days where you don't even see sunlight and that sucks dude when you're when you're even mildly ambitious with exercise or any kind of social life being underground is

miserable now there were some people who were also misers who were introverts who loved it because they were they were away from everybody and they were just underground and they Had their book or they had their sketch pad or whatever else and the only thing they had to do was periodically answer a what's known as an emergency access message interesting so so they're really looking for people so you said highrisk take is people can think quickly and then from there it's just a matter of all these skills can be trained if you've just you're an

outgoing personal you don't even have to be an outgoing person here's what's fascinating to Learn about CIA that I never realized before the movies have it all wrong the movies make it look like there are people who are born gifted and those gifted people are just naturally good at language or they're naturally good at at combat or they're naturally good at whatever puzzles and then there's like this secret person who goes out there recruiting these folks from their jobs that's not how that [ __ ] works at all the way it actually works is that

if you Are a neurotypical person meaning you you're not on some bell curve extreme of like idiot savant or mentally [ __ ] if you are neurotypical then it's just a matter of training you in a set process that has high probability of success and you can be a spy the skills are all learnable the skills are all trainable the question is just how quickly can you learn them and the people who are a little bit more uh risk tolerant and the People who are a little bit more personally motivated learn faster but the people

who are a little bit more introverted or the people who are a little bit less motivated they can still learn they just learn slower the reason that's so important man is because when you're carrying out covert operations around the world you need a really diverse pool of people people to pull from sometimes you need an old white guy sometimes you need a young black girl Sometimes you need an Arab who speaks French sometimes you need Latino that speaks Chinese like you need all sorts of mixes the only way that you're going to get those mixes

is not by finding the one or two super talented people it's by getting a lot of neurotypical people and putting them through a proven training process do you speak other languages I've learned three languages you had to learn through the CIA or you knew them uh one of them I knew prior that the CIA Refined further and then I learned two others with CIA for operational reasons and then you lose them over time oh you don't use yeah you lose it yeah I mean it's they they're there but you lose them over time so my

languages were Japanese Thai and Chinese oh wow and then my native English is my native language but then my cultural language is is Spanish I'm culturally Latino ah beautiful okay walk me through a bit because I I've every single time I catch A plane rewatch Mission Impossible movies I I love this after I know everyone watching is like what like how accurate is it but walk us through I know you can't talk in depth of like missions and things you've done um but just so we can have some context and put it straight what does

a spy actually do when they're out on a I don't know if you even call it a mission or yeah we call it an operation Operation so there's multiple types of spies and you See that kind of demonstrated in Mission Impossible movies or James Bond movies there are are human intelligence operatives that's essentially what uh whatever the hell the GU whatever Tom Cruz's character right that's also James Bond they are human Intelligence Officers meaning their job is to go out and meet people and extract secrets from people um sometimes that means they get a thumb

drive sometimes that means they steal a secret sometimes that means they Steal a girl whatever it might be but then you also have technical Ops officers and those are the q's who create cool gadgets and those are the like the Mi the whatever the the mission impossible group was Mig is that what they call MI6 MI6 is the British intelligence service okay but there there was some name that the mission impossible team whatever they were called but they also had a Tech Tool a tech person then you have analysts who Actually process the information those

are also spies then you also have linguists who process foreign language those are also spies and you have people who listen in on signals like telephone calls and digital encryption those are also spies and you have cyber hackers those are also spies so basically anybody who works in pursuit of Espionage Espionage being defined as the the stealing of secrets that aren't supposed to be you're not supposed to Have access to anybody who does that job is technically considered a spy and that's something that that the media doesn't do very well because they focus so much

on the person who gets to go out and actually meet other people I was Googling the other day um I don't know why I forget why I was Googling which countries has the death penalty still and China is one of them and I'm like what do you have to do in China for the death penalty one of them is espionage So I'm assuming that's as far as I went but I'm assuming if China still has death penalty for espach probably other countries might as well does that how do you deal with that if you're on

an operation knowing that some countries if you got caught they essentially would kill you that's why they recruit people who are risk tolerant there's a joke there's a joke that we have at the agency that we aren't hired Because we're so smart we're hired because we're too dumb to quit so being too dumb to quit means that when someone poses an operation to you and they're like hey we need you to go to XYZ country and we need to do XYZ thing for XYZ days you're like that sounds awesome that's the first thing that goes

through your head right I was just talking to somebody other day it's like how many people in their life get to say who gets to do this like every Operation assigned to me I was like who the [ __ ] gets to do this this is awesome that was the first thought that went through my head and then thought number four or five is like oh [ __ ] but if I get caught I'm not going to get caught like I'm good at this I've got a good Tech officer I've got a good plan like

I'll be fine so it's a confidence thing that's reassuring you it's more like a it's a proficiency thing and just being good at your skill right because you you Have to understand how it works right so for example think about a professional chef I am not a professional chef professional chefs understand food and flavors and temperatures they understand it at a scientific level they just know they just know that if you put this oil at this heat with this meat it's going to come out Savory and sweet at the same time they just know it

I don't know how they know it but they do there's people who understand why it is that certain Cuts of meat are more tender when they're cooked at a certain level than other cuts of meat they know it because they're so efficient at their craft our craft is called tradecraft so when a spy Masters their tradecraft then it becomes kind of like science so you know well if I go to Congo carrying out this kind of operation and this kind of way I have a high probability of not even being noticed but if I use

the same trade craft in France I have a lower Probability of success and a higher probability of getting caught so I need to change my tradecraft just like a chef would change their ingredients interesting based off because their intelligence is better or like cultural differences or you like there's so many things airport security levels uh national uh identification uh scrutiny uh how how well police are trained how well intelligence services are trained Digital Collection Biometrics at the Airport Biometrics in your ID your ID uh the way that the country views their relationship with the United

States I mean there's a there list goes on and on and on uh daytime uh activity versus nighttime activity for example if you're going to execute an operation in a rural part of Germany you probably don't want to carry it you don't want to do it at night because nobody's out at night but if you're going to carry out an operation in Frankfurt Germany you Probably want to carry that out at night because there'll be plenty of people out and you'll have more flexibility of movement than if you were trying to execute in the middle

of the day I'm loving this so what I'm gathering is Major part of what spies do is collecting information so how do we because this is so useful for managers CEOs sales people um like anyone who's wanting to I don't know to use the word persuade but I think we're all in a game Of trying to influence other people like I was telling you before I was like I've always just loved influence I think I think it came from the early days of learning how to pick up women I'm like how do I say the

right thing and be the right person and then I've always just been the one who peer pressured my friends to go to one more place or whatever right so I I know this is such a great conversation with so many people in in Many different context as however they want to use it so what is the process of actually like getting information out of people it's a I mean it's a bigger process than you would imagine but I think the place to start is you were saying that we all like to influence and we like

to persuade two steps before you ever start influencing or persuading you have to gather information you have to collect information you have to gather Intelligence so often social media and and traditional media make us think that you have to skip to the action and the action is influencing or persuading somebody perfect example is all the people out there who try to teach you lie detection you have to skip to the part where you can quickly determine if they're lying because you're watching the micro expressions in their face really good friend of mine Chase Hughes Chase

Hughes focuses a lot on micro Expressions hypnosis and and picking up these new wants is in a person he's 100% right it can be done but you have to control the environment around the person in order to be able to extract those types of micro Expressions those type of nuances Chase knows how to do that because he's used to teaching people in a world of interrogation when you're a human Intelligence officer you're not interrogating people you're having a casual conversation on the street the difference is when you have a conversation with somebody as a sales

lead or in the corporate office if they don't like what you have to say they can walk away in an interrogation experience they don't ever get to walk away right so you can ramp up the pressure and see how it CH it changes them but in a social setting you can't do that they Can literally just leave so in human intelligence what we're always looking for is gathering information to create what we call a baseline what is normal for that person and then you can start messing with uh with different type of stimuli to make

them change from their Baseline so let's take the example of picking up women right most guys fear going up to a girl and then using a line a come on line we all think that's what we have to do why Do we think that because media traditional media social media made us feel like you got to be The Confident guy that goes right up and has a pickup line [ __ ] no gather information first you think there's a pretty girl watch her for few minutes is she there alone is she there with friends how

does she act does she look nervous does she look happy is she drinking vodka is she drinking orange juice like what what's going on observe for a little while Right you'll you will see what makes a girl self-conscious if you just observe her for about seven minutes and why are you looking for what she's self-conscious about because if you know what she's self-conscious about then you know not to approach her on that thing right if you see her like constantly fixing her pants then you understand she's probably in uncomfortable pants she's probably self-conscious about whatever

like whatever it was that made Her wear these tight pants so don't compliment her legs her butt her ass don't do anything like that compliment her on the thing that's natural she doesn't mess with her hair right she doesn't mess with her jewelry she doesn't mess she doesn't check her face for makeup compliment her on something like that or skip her all together and talk about her friend or talk about the drink or talk about the bartender right you doesn't have to be a come on line to Go up to somebody and just be like

like I've been waiting a while for a drink how did you get that so fast yeah right that's but that starts a conversation patent interrup too and what's what's so important is that in the world of intelligence in the world of information gathering it's a constant game of who has more information so don't throw yourself into a conversation or a negotiation or a sales pitch unless you have Superior information going in Because if you try to go head-to-head then it's a race of who collects the most information in the moment is there a way to

like he say there's a lot of observation happening is there a way to sort of or if we a pinpoint or a certain thing for us to really go in and look for like what what I guess what I'm asking is what really drives people at a very unconscious level if we were to look for certain habits things I know significance for people as a big driver In some people it's a lot higher in some and not as high as others so me personally like sometimes if I'm wanting to influence someone I will look for

how can I attach this thing to how it's going to make them more significant in the thing that they actually want or I'll look for what's their actually values if someone values family attaching how it's going to benefit their family is going to influence them a lot more than if I say it's going to Allow you to travel the world like they might not care about it so that's my understanding of it what are you kind of looking for like or is there stronger internal motivators that we need to sort of be looking for to

attach the thing we want to influence them on back to you you said the word several times during your description just now right it's really all about benefit to the Target what do what benefits them and that sometimes that benefit is a value Sometimes that benefit is very transient or temporary sometimes that benefit is just an Escape right but if You observe with an eye towards what benefits the other person that's really how you get closer to the place where you can influence or persuade them so if you're talking to somebody who like car salesman

somebody walks into a car dealer ship and they're asking about a car well are they interested in a car no they're interested in a benefit to Transportation but you don't know what that benefit is are they looking for transportation that makes them look and sound cool are they looking for transportation that makes it comfortable for their kids are they looking for transportation that makes it safe for their spouse are they looking for transportation that's cost effective you have no idea but what you do know is that they came to a car dealership because they're looking

for the benefit Of Transportation you don't know whether they're there because they like that brand of car or because they don't have a car and that was the closest dealership they could walk to too often people leap to an assumption and they oversimplify the benefit of the of the Target or of the other person or of the of the mark whatever you want to call it right you actually don't know their benefit unless you take the time to Observe because again you're looking for the Baseline you got to gather information people one of the best

ways to gather information is just what you're doing right now you just sit there quietly if you sit there quietly people will people talk and guess what every word is every word is information it's data and if you're paying attention with an eye towards finding the benefit that they're talking about you will see a Pattern in what they say I I have noticed that um and sometimes CU naturally like I'm super excited to talk to people I have noticed I'm like the more I shut up PE the other person will feel the void of being

like talk talk talk talk talk and they just give up because I coach a lot of people so a lot of times when I coach I'm just quiet and they just talk so much stuff I'm like can I talk now I I just heard all the things you're telling me that your Problems and you don't know about because the way you said that right I've heard you talk about the rice method I think it is what's the rice method so rice is an acronym that stands for core motivations that all human beings have and when

I say all human beings I mean all human beings all ages all Races all ethnicities all education levels all religions you name it um and the acronym is r i c e rice the r stands for the word reward the I stands for ideology The the C stands for coercion the E stands for ego so all people of all types are motivated at their core by these four motivations reward ideology coercion and ego if you understand what their strongest motivator is at any moment of time whether it's their age the part of the day their

emotional status if you understand which of those four motivations to lean on you greatly increase your opportunity to influence them in a short period of time so it's About discovering which one or using all four it's about understanding which one is preeminent always knowing that the other three also exist so for example in this moment that you and I are talking you can be motivated by rewards you can be motivated by ideology you can be motivated by coercion you can be motivated by ego but they're not all equal to you right now in this moment

in this studio on this day in this mood it takes a bit of observation to understand Which one motivates you the most in this moment so that we can have the highest chance of success if we're trying to influence you and what are you what are you looking for to determine so my understanding is so reward obviously we do anything to we we like pleasure um IDE olog our beliefs our internal idea of the world is that correct yep coercion so if you don't do this then I'll [ __ ] you up Force exactly okay

so Force I'm assuming that's it'll work There's a saying I know it's like someone convinced against their will is still of the same opinion so I'm assuming that's the one you probably don't want to go for correct and then ego so a significance thing like how you got to play their ego close but ego ego is a great one because people misunderstand the term ego with egotistic mycal we all have an ego we all have a way we want the world to view us that is our ego Mother Teresa had an Ego Gandhi had an

ego Martin Luther King had an ego Biden and Trump have an ego the difference is some people become egotistical which means they must be seen as powerful or smarter or whatever else we've got to separate the two terms to really understand the motivational value because if you can if you can meet somebody and validate or encourage or give them the benefit of expanding their ego they will be more susceptible to persuasion and influence because they Feel like you are validating what they value which is being self-sacrificing or being a leader or being patient or being

a good mom like we all have egos and if if I ask you to do something that's in line with your ego and I validate your ego along the way you're more likely to be persuaded to do what I want you to do would another way to like say like their identity they believe to be true about themselves Fair like if so if somebody was to Value impact you know or love or Some service or something like that would like let's say if I was going to sit and try to influence this person to do

a business deal with me it'd be like hey by by doing this we get to create a massive impact in the world and you know etc etc am I on the right track yep you're feeding their ego because for them if their ego is to make a big impact in the world and if one of their primary struggles or frustrations is that they're not in an impactful Position then you're inviting them to join your cause and and contribute their passion to your impact and now all of a sudden they they say yes are one of

these higher than the other the highest of all four is ideology and that's why you see so much marketing so much advertising so uh so much propaganda centered around ideology like I mean if you think about religion's a fantastic one when you talk to somebody who is Religious you can get them to do basically anything in the name of their religion there are people who kill in the name of their religion right there are people who leave families and and stop talking to their moms and dads and brothers and sisters in the name of religion

That's How Strong ideology is here in the United States if the national anthem plays guess what people do yes they stand up even if it doesn't make sense right if the national anthem Start right now I would feel compelled to like push the microphone aside stand up and put my hand over my heart it makes no logical sense That's How Strong ideology is right and what's super powerful about ideology as a motivator is nobody second guesses it religious people don't second guess their Religion nationalists Don't second guess their nationalism dads don't second guess being dads

Sons don't second guess loving their parents like this is this Is our ideology it's what we do it's it's insan saying because that's and when you're outside of that ideology that's when you can see it so any husband who's watched their wife do something irrational and nonsensical because she feels obligated to her parents or she owes her parents or she owes her family or because her religion exp like you sit there and you're like why would you do that doesn't make any sense and then of course the spouse Responds defensively well you don't understand you

don't get it right it's my mom it's my dad it's my church we see it from the outside but you don't see it from the inside so if I'm sitting across the table mean you are I just met you and I'm trying to sell you on something let's just use sales for an example what specifically would you recommend I ask or look for how do I determine your ideology uh so a lot of it has to do with listening and being silent like you Said and then you have to use a Technique we call elicitation

so elicitation is a process by which you collect Target information by asking adjacent questions so for example if I want to know how old you are if I say Morgan how old are you that is a direct question you may not like that direct question it might make you feel uncomfortable but if I ask you something like what year did you graduate College now I can do some very simple math and come up with a relatively close estimate about how old you are right now are there always exceptions yes there are always the people who

went to college and graduated at 24 but for the rest of us the mass majority of us Graduate University at about 22 right so we can ask those questions that's adjacent to what we're trying to ask but we get the core information right um another way that you can observe Somebody's ideology is just by watching their their physical position their environment right if you come into my work office you're going to see pictures of my kids you're going to see pictures of my school you're going to see some some of my awards at the CIA

you're going to see the things I value without ever even talking to me because I took the effort and the time to put those things in my office I want to be reminded of those things every day you Know what you won't see my eighth grade report card that said I got a D in math I don't want to remember that thing yeah right so there's so much that you can pick up from the environment and from elicitation asking adjacent questions of a person and as long as you're listening with an ear towards I'm not

here to have a conversation I'm here to gather information you'd be amazed how much richer and how much more aware you are of the details you gather what can you Gather from me we talked a bit before we started we talked about a lot of things um what have you already gathered in terms of my ideology things that could play to my ego so it's a great question there's a number of things to keep in mind right so there's a difference between assessment and assumptions so I don't want to I'm not assuming that any of

these things are true I am assessing meaning from the data that I have had collected so far I will assess that These things are probably true so one you like shortcuts I'm assessing that you don't like to do a bunch of hard work you like shortcuts and then if you have to do hard work or if hard work is going to give you a massive benefit then you will do it but you're still thinking in the back of your head how can I make this easier how can I make this faster what what gave that

one away I thought you guys say something About oh you're a RIS taker you said you I you're you know you're here these you know I would have thought these would have been things um that's so interesting where did that one come from well my first question is is it accurate or is it inaccurate that's pretty damn accurate because you know cuz I I definitely am like I I I will joke on my team I'm like don't expect me to do a lot like I am a lazy person that's also why I'm where I am

in my life because I Bill Gates say he's like I ask lazy people to do jobs because they'll find the easiest way there um so I do naturally I'm like and what you said was two things you said was so true I will look for shortcuts but not in a way to jeopardize not to do a bad job but I'm going to go what's the best most efficient way to get this done where it's done is better than perfect and if it's putting in the effort is going to be very rewarding and it's impactful Then

I'm all there that's fine so I picked that assessment up so let me tell you why I didn't talk about being risk tolerant you did mention skydiving but you only really mentioned it once and you didn't have multiple examples of where you take big risks I know you're entrepreneur but I only had one data point to talk about your risk tolerance where I did get the sense that you had shortcuts was because I I've been listening to you talk about your sales Strategy about your live event strategy about your pricing strategy about how you maximize

the people who attend your events in every one of those instances what you're doing is you're finding a way to make it as simple and easy as possible with the largest probability of success on the back end you're not trying to make things perfect like you're not telling me about how much effort you put into designing the menu just right you're not telling me About how proud you are of your branding and your color patterns on your like some people will tell you those things right what you're talking about instead is like here's how I

feel the room here's where my metrics are here's my conversion rates here's my price points here's what I know about the second step and the third step in the sales process I mean that is a very pragmatic efficient process I love it okay straight up Question do the CIA use mind control techniques on civilians the I will say the answer is yes but it's not what you think so a whole MK Ultra deal so MK Ultra is actually a first of all it wasn't mind control on civilians okay MK Ultra was a series of experiments

to see whether or not psychedelics would give us an advantage in some sort of intelligence gathering operation that was what Mk Ultra was all About wasn't it um if I'm wrong here what I I heard that they they Ed it on spies actually to help create double personalities so they they experimented with a lot of different things and this is this is so interesting because one of the things that people don't understand is that when you are in a national security role everything takes second place to pursuing National Security so your personal health takes a

second takes a Backseat to National Security your family takes a backseat to National Security um the values that you have of treating people as equals takes a backseat to National Security National Security has to come first we call it service before self right so when you think about something like MK Ultra why was it that we were experimenting with psychedelics at all because our opponents were also the Russians were experimenting with psychedelics the the The Soviets were seeing whether or not they get an advantage maximize their National Security and gain an advantage over the United

States by tapping into unmeasured or unknown theoretical powers that exist in the mind for their spies but also whether or not they could find the right recipe by testing on prisoners or testing on you know political opposition or whatever else it might be because of Russia because of the Soviet Union's lack of Human Rights they had This giant pool of people they could test on here in the United States we had we had uh Law and Order and we had assemblance of Human Rights so we couldn't just grab anybody and test them we had to

like find a legal process by which we could get a prisoner to say yes or grant them an extension to their parole or whatever else as well as find volunteers so that's the difference between the two same thing happened in World War II why did we start developing A nuclear bomb because the Germans were developing a nuclear bomb right why was a why were American dollars being spent to like find historic artifacts that might give some sort of Advantage because you have the the the Holy Grail because the the Nazis were trying to get an

advantage doing that that's it's something we call the security Paradox yeah where for me if I put an alarm system on my house guess what you're going to put on your house if I get a Guard dog guess what you're going to feel the pressure to do right if I get a guard dog that weighs 60 pounds you're probably going to get a guard dog that weighs 80 lbs right if I get a handgun you're probably going to get a bigger caliber handgun this is the United States it's a security Paradox yeah what's up dream

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know what it's really like Here like I said I'd like to say quite objective with things but because Australians we stay quite you know we've never we've never had threats really I mean like I think Darwin got bombed like the top of Australia back in I think World War II apart from that like we've just been we just get left alone we Surf and we hang out and we the bar and so when we look at and we hear about you know all the conspiracies like this things like the JFK assassination and then there's the

the thing of going well the CIA did it can we start with that like and I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it or I don't know what but I'd like to sort of hear your perspective on that whole conversation because if you talk to the conspiracy theorists they're like the CIA did it so two things that are important for this conversation first is understanding that Australian culture as it relates to the society's view of the government is very different than the American culture of how Society views the government so for example everybody

knows that CIA is America's Secret intelligence service very few people know that Australia even has I had no idea a secret intelligence service let alone a very effective secret intelligence service right so right there you got two Major cultural differences so when the whole world when your whole society already knows you have an secret intelligence service they already don't trust you that's like the first thing you have secrets you know how to keep your secrets therefore you must be keeping secrets from me that's the logical way of thinking so every American forever has always been

like the government has Secrets they're keeping from me because they're so good At it in Australia guess what the government has Secrets they're keeping from you because they're so good at it the difference is you don't even [ __ ] know that they're that good at keeping secrets right it's a it's a big difference that helps you understand why conspiracies are rampant in the United States and not so rampant in Australia do you think they have any type of um ground to believe the things they believe absolutely and and conspiracies Are important to understand because

they're predictable there's what we call an anatomy to the conspiracy conspiracies all start because something factual happened right so think of d 91 in the 9911 conspiracies 911 really happened JFK assassination JFK was assassinated like these are real things that actually happened that's the start of a conspiracy and then immediately after the true event there is a lock a lack of Information so there has to be a real event and then a lack of information the third step is something that we call speculation now speculation and suspicion are are cousins of each other suspicion is

healthy right it's good to be suspicious it's good to question like there's such a thing as healthy suspicion but speculation is a very different thing speculation is when you start to assume that you know what the answer is to the question that you don't Know well immediately on the back end of speculation somebody creates a story that closes the open loop so that there's a convenient explanation for why this real event happened that you're not allowed to that you don't trust and then here's a convient explanation a story it probably help people be a to

like bit of cognitive dissonance that happens right some crazy thing like 911 like the [ __ ] and then jumping to the first thing that happens that I don't know people are Interesting yeah and people don't like cognitive dissonance yes cognitive dissonance is like having a thorn in your sock you don't like it so you want to fix it yeah right the the problem is that when it comes to conspiracies you can't just take the thorn out M like you don't know what actually happened in certain details we don't know who actually shot JFK we

don't know what made the different Towers fall on 9/11 like there's some secrets that we're not Allowed to know well then we start leaping to these conclusions like oh it was an inside job or oh it was CIA or oh it was whatever because these are secret organizations and just they can't be trusted because they keep secrets well guess what you keep secrets too right we all live in this strange world where somehow we expect that we're allowed to keep our secrets but it's it's uh unreasonable that other people keep their secrets too so we

should have all Secrets shared with us but we're allowed to keep our secrets to ourselves otherwise we suspect the other person that's it's it's totally irrational so there's a thing that I do when I'm in um some conversations like so for example if I got to fire somebody situations like this like hard conversations if I know I'm bringing you into like like it's just harder to talk with somebody right I struggle and it's funny because I know a lot about Self-regulating and all these sorts of things but when there's still one thing I can't shake

and I love to know what you how you deal with it is hard conversations specifically just things that I'm uncomfortable with my whole body will change I talk down here like I talk in my voice here I I just can't speak it out I can get more shaky like more I can really feel like the nerves come over um and even sometimes like when I've interviewed some really big Guests even like you meet someone who's like oh my God you're huge it's like be really contain that and just be a normal freaking person how how

do we sort of do that how can we better just stay nice and calm and regulated when we have to have maybe hard conversations or nervous conversations and things like this so there's a process called stress andoc have you heard of stress inoculation so stress inoculation is just like being Inoculated against a virus it means that you have to replicate the stress that you're going to feel for this event you have to replicate that through a scenario so that your body can physiologically adapt to the stress that you're going to experience you do it before

so you roleplay or you practice it before so here's what we do at CIA when we know that we're getting ready for a high stakes operation or we know that we're getting ready to meet with Some massively either important wealthy or dangerous person we will role play multiple times um there's a there's a a something called a a safe house there are safe houses for our special operators that exist where a special ops team getting ready for an OP they will all go to a safe house they'll shut the door and they'll lock themselves in

for anywhere from 3 to seven days and all they do is practice in this giant there's a big Sandbox in the middle of the house they'll just practice over and over again what the operation's going to be right you know Delta team's going to go here and Bravo team's going to go here and then at a 0800 we're going to assault the two doors from this end and then after they practiced it once they wipe the sand clean and they do it again and they wipe the sand clean and they do it again and they

they try every different angle until they find the Right angle and they just repeat it over and over again it's they're inoculating themselves about the stress of movement while also building a pattern of behavior muscle memory about how they're going to execute we do the same thing before we have any kind of high-risk conversation with a terrorist or with a child trafficker or with a drug dealer right you literally you find AER and you say hey I need you to sit in the shoes of XYZ terrorist and We're g I'm going to inter I'm going

to ask you questions and I need you to tell me I need you to respond like the terrorist would respond right and now all of a sudden I'm not sitting here with Morgan I'm sitting here with you know you name the bad guy and I make it I make it feel real to me and then you make it feel real to me as well so when I say like Hey where's the bomb hidden and then you tell me there's no bomb I'm like I got to find a way to get through This I got to

practice this I got to inoculate this so if you want to fire somebody don't don't [ __ ] fire them the first time that you walk in and sit with them to fire them fire them 15 times before that by talking to you know a senior manager or talking to somebody else in your company or talking to your spouse or talking to your best friend and be like hey dude help me here I got to fire a guy he's been here for 15 years he's kind of old and and and Persnikity so I just need

you to be that guy and I'm going to have a conversation with you and I'm going to fire you and you're going to find out quickly what words roll out nicely what words don't roll out so nicely and then by the time you actually sit with the person you've already fired him 15 times yeah you have information superiority just like I told you earlier on right it's all about having more information than the other person you're more in tune with how your Body's going to react and your body is actually inoculated against the stress of

firing him because they've your body's point of view is you've already fired them 15 times just building the familiarity your nervous system I guess right that you're inoculating against what technically what you're doing is inoculating against the cortisol Spike that happens when you put yourself in an uncomfortable situation how do we stop these things being used on us so like With the rice method um I know you know you can Co people with guilt um things like this cuz you know one of my highest values is love and that's why I like firing people cuz

I'm like this is [ __ ] hard for me cuz like I genuinely just care about you as a human it's very hard and and there's definitely been times in my life where I haven't made the best decision because I felt bad about what I was doing or something right so how can we I guess like mask or Our feelings almost how do you defend yourself in case of what if you're up against another spy and they're trying to do things to you how do we control that so there's two you're actually asking two different

questions your first question is how do we stop someone else from using them against us you can't if somebody is skilled or trained or maybe just natural they'll learn to use these techniques on you you can't stop them from using them but what you Can do is be aware of when the technique is being used on you which is very similar to your second question right what can I do to mask against my natural response or instinct when you are aware of what techniques are being used on you it's very similar to being aware of

what you're natural responses we say that everything starts with awareness so if you already know that something's going to be hard I mean it makes sense now why It is why you're so like concerned about giving somebody bad news if you come from a place of love and you're wired for love and you're wired for like making people happy and you're wired for finding like the peaceful resolution that means every time conflict is guaranteed it like it's Amplified because you already don't want to do it you already know you don't want to do it and

for the last 25 years you haven't want to do it now you got to do it so it It gets Amplified what when you're aware of what's Happening that's the first step and then once you're aware of something then you can start to take proactive action to prepare against it like inoculating through stress or inoculating through practice or repetition or Outsourcing maybe you don't have to be the one that fires them maybe you can have somebody else fire them right or maybe you can have the Person somebody else breaks the bad news so you don't

have to but it all comes from awareness when you see somebody tapping into your guilt or tapping into your fear or tapping into your sense of self-consciousness right when you're aware of it you're already better prepared than the person who's totally unaware of their response or how they're going to feel and going back to that idea of who knows more who has more information awareness is a big piece of Information often times the person who's talking to you and and trying to manipulate you or trying to make you feel guilty they're not even aware that

they're doing it so that mean means you're more aware than they are you have more information than they do you already have the advantage how do you make sure that your cognitive biases aren't disturbing your judgment like let's say you were assessing me before how do you make sure That you're not now not looking for confirmation bias or recency bias and skewing your judgment completely [ __ ] something up your qu this question complet it totally relates to your previous question right cognitive bias is so dangerous because people are not aware that they have them

yeah and then confirmation bias is also equally dangerous because people don't realize they're not aware that that's what they're doing right so first being aware Of the fact that you have biases at all is an important thing here's what's tricky about biases right biases are very hard to see in the future but they're very easy to see upon reflection yes so you can reflect back and be like oh I've got a bias for XYZ right like I have a I have an inherent bias for uh funny brunettes like a funny brunette can get away with

murder with me because it's just it's my mom was a funny Brunette my wife is a funny brunette like I've always thought funny brunettes were safe so like if someone's a scam like the the scam artist I'm the most afraid of is the funny brunette where you know a funny blonde doesn't really I I'm not inherently biased in a way that I'm vulnerable to a funny blond so becoming aware of what you're already naturally biased to correct because then you can see it you can see it in the future when you have Reflected upon it

in the past and what about collecting evidence so this is also a reason why I try not to hire people because I'm train to see people's potential people come to my room and they're like oh I'm all [ __ ] up I self-doubt I'm like I see through their [ __ ] to be like find that potential so I've hired the wrong people because I'm like they're so amazing and then my team be like the [ __ ] do you hire this person for they're an idiot I'm like yeah but They've got they just so

beautiful I'm like I can't hire I don't like to do at least the first interview they go now they go now through a series on my team and I'll do the final one and I'll look for like a lot of different like I look for personality traits and I Psych the [ __ ] out of them see what their natural traits are like uh and if I like it it's good um but like is there a way to sort of avoid that like naturally like if I'm talking to someone I'm picking up like Let's say

what you were saying to me before are you someone who likes shortcuts how do you avoid to continually keep finding more evidence like that because it might not be true so you're you're doing it yourself right you can't unfortunately what we all have to understand is you can't overcome a cognitive bias yeah it's it is a cognitive bias a cognitive bias by definition is a process that your brain finds that it's a natural shortcut for Efforts because your brain doesn't like to do effort like you said I'm inherently lazy we're all inherently lazy and our

brain is the laziest part of our body because our brain constantly wants to conserve processing power energy like it's just what the brain does it's a survival Instinct so once once I have a cognitive bias for funny blondes or once a a Christian has a cognitive bias for the ideology of Christianity it doesn't ever go away my Mom is a fantastic example of this my mom was raised in a Catholic Church then she rejected the Catholic church when she was like 18 now she's like 60 something and guess what she still does she acts like

a Catholic even though she rejects the Catholic Church like she'll talk smack about Catholics all day long but then still practice Catholic cultural habits right like Easter Church on Easter Service on on Easter right silly stuff we've all seen it happen Before so you can't fix a cognitive bias all you can do is become aware of it and then put practices in place that reduce the likelihood of you falling into your bias which is why you have your whole team do pre inters before you ever interview it I would actually recommend you go a step

further and actually automate an assessment like automate a challenge so that anybody before they even get the first personal interview has to go Through an empirical challenge that then gives an empirical score to their success of the challenge before anybody even talks to them yeah because then you take away human bias Al together yeah yeah it's it's a it's a fascinating thing because most most people just don't actually think clear especially when I with my marketing team all the time like I'm always saying I'm like you don't know that you just think you think that

you're making up [ __ ] Cuz it's you know you it's what feels good for you especially in marketing it's like bring me the numbers and then I'm unemotionally going to look at the numbers and say that's [ __ ] change that because that's what the numbers tell us um but it's it's I love what you're doing because you it's really just a lot of self- awareness in the moment right and and it's hard to get there I promise you that when you first started learning marketing it wasn't That easy you you wanted to go

by your gut too it feels right it looks right of course it makes sense why does it make sense to you it makes sense to you because you would like it yeah not because the market likes it I I know you're not allowed to talk about many operations that you've actually done you're in the process of getting a lot cleared from the CIA so it can come out in your book that's going to come out next year right um is there anything you Can talk about like what I'm really I'm I'm curious to know like

you've probably had so many awesome gly stories is there anything you can talk about that you would say like this was the most crazy thing that ever happened to me on an operation uh it's an interesting question so so here's here's what I definitely can say right I love the fact that before any operation you have to learn the skills That you need for the operation so you you find yourself learning things that you never would have thought in a million years you had to learn like I I had to learn how to free dive

who gets to learn how to free dive right and and I had to learn how to uh swim with a SCUBA tank at night with no lights who gets to learn how to do that stuff right like it's one thing to learn how to scuba dive it's something different to learn how to scuba dive at night with Lights but then to learn how to scuba dive at night with no lights there's these cool things that you have to learn for any operation that you're going on some people have to learn how to you know drive

on the like drive a car where the steering wheels on the opposite side some people have to learn how to make a certain kind of cheese some people have to learn how to taste wine like you have all these things you have to learn some people have to go to to school for a Whole new language just for the operation so we often joke at the agency that the people who have the most fun at CIA the people are the most fun in intelligence are people who are collectors of experiences because just like I told

you I learned multiple languages I don't remember them so it's not the Mastery of the language that makes me feel satisfied it was the opportunity to learn it at all has there ever been a time you've been on Operation where you've actually been fearful for your life absolutely I've been fearful for my life in at least two operations one of which is the primary subject of the book that my Memoir that I'm getting cleared through CIA we can't talk about that we can't talk about it yet but once it's cleared we'll be I'll be able

to talk about it with the world um but then there was another operation I was on that was a counterterrorism operation and we actually had like a Terrorist bomb go off can you say which country no okay but when but what I will say is like when a bomb goes off [ __ ] gets real holy [ __ ] stuff gets real like stupid example right for anybody who's who has followed me or who knows like who knows me they understand that I almost always wear laced shoes it's one of my people ask me like

hey Andy what's your everyday carry in the United States we love everyday carry and we always want to know like oh what Model of gun and where do you conceal it I'm like my my [ __ ] everyday carry is laced shoes because I was trained take the Lac stuff and kill somebody with it close I was trained to always have laced shoes on always but I was a [ __ ] 28-year-old kid and of course I knew better than what all the training was well then I'm in a country and I'm in flipflops and

a bomb goes off you know what happens when a bomb the bomb goes Off cement flakes go everywhere glass flakes go everywhere body parts go everywhere this was obviously you guys were aware this might have been happening or you obviously there to some degree we were we suspected that there there was a potential terrorist plot [ __ ] that's completely different than suspecting that the attack was about to go on right you were close enough to it too and I was close enough to it to hear the bomb Feel the shake and then everything exploded

right and you've got glass shards body parts cement shards asphalt shards people panicking everyone's running your flipflops or your or your thongs or whatever you want to call them that [ __ ] does not protect your feet right and all and I was just evacuating I wasn't like a hero or anything like that I was just getting away from the blast zone and it tore the hell out of my feet and I learned without a doubt on That day this is why they told us to wear laced shoes because you never know when this shit's

going and my feet weren't the only feet that got tore up some people lost their feet right some people got trampled to death because they stopped to try to like to try to care for their feet and then the crowd rolled them over yeah that's the reality of it the world is a dark place and it's sometimes your survival really boils down to something as stupid and simple As that have you ever been has there ever been a time where we've been concerned or worried about getting out of a country or like or nearly being

caught or something so it's funny because that's that is actually the second harrowing experience and that is the subject of my we talk about that's the cliffer that's why we all going to get your B comes out I'll have to come back and tell you about it when it goes live oh I love it man um I'm I'm very Fascinated because you've obviously been to God knows how many countries you've seen things you've become aware of things you probably know Secrets um then most people in the world will never get to know and I'm curious

to know your perspective of just genuinely where you think the world's at right now and where it's going the next decade it seems like there's a war is about to break out someone going to shoot a nuclear bomb there's crypto this there's there's so Many strange things happening in the world right now and I'm just fascinated to know your perspective of what you think is happening right now and where do you think the world's going the next 10 years so I'm going to start with the good news because it's important that people understand this right

the world is always changing it was changing when we were kids it was changing before our parents even thought about getting married it's going to change for our Grandkids and our great grandkids so the world's always changing it's always Dynamic the idea that we're going to reach some sort of like stagnation and always be the same and the change is going to stop is unrealistic because human beings evolve technology evolves Society evolves culture evolves everything changes so the good news is you don't have to be afraid of change it's natural we're not any more or

less dangerous Than we were 15 years ago the danger is just different it's it's just the way it is now the bad news is to answer your question where's the world going in the next 10 years we are entering into a phase where the big one of the big questions that's being challenged is whether democracy is really the best way to govern that wasn't a question 15 years ago that wasn't a question 30 years ago 40 years ago it was almost a certainty That democracy is the best form of governance in the world now what

we're actually seeing is autocrats and strong armed governments and power plays get things done more efficiently make allies faster and grows grow economies faster right look at Russia Russia broke every International rule to invade Ukraine and their economy is stronger than it's ever been China has elected the same president like three times over now and the dude's like got no plans of not Being the ruler of the the Prime Minister the chair of the CCP anytime soon right like and it just goes on Netanyahu is Netanyahu is the prime minister of uh of Israel okay

and here's a guy who has just as nasty of a track record politically as Donald Trump right corruption and abuse and whatever else and he's unpopular among his own people and he's the prime minister of a of a true democracy Israel is a true democracy you explain democracy I'm so Ignorant to this stuff yeah AB what does mean Australia's democracy too what does it mean so so democracy means that the the the process of electing your leaders is pushed to the people in some way shape or form could be representative it could be a true

democracy there's a different way of of of the people themselves choosing who leads them right and the idea that the that the population gets to have a Contribution to where their country goes and you're saying it's more so leaning towards like a dictatorship well what we're having now is is we're looking at a world where democracy has had previously been assumed to be the most efficient effective economically powerful way of building a country and now what we're seeing is that the rising economies of the world are actually not democracies so it's challenging the Assumption the

bias that we've had for The last 50 years about democracy that's tough that's tough because remember we were talking about the security dilemma right I buy a guard dog that's 60 pounds you buy a guard dog that's 80 pounds well what happens when the biggest threat in the world to America is a autocracy and we're a democracy now all of a sudden there's this pressure on the United States to become an autocracy and here's what's really [ __ ] up I don't know how much you follow politics in the United States we have largely we

are a two-party system right there's the Republican party and then there's the the Democrat Party there's the liberal party and the conservative party that's what we are Y what both parties have like our country is based on a two-party system meaning both parties have to be present and that there's value in having two parties that disagree and compromise and collaborate and work together that's What our country is based on but now on both sides of the fence you know what each party actually wants to be the only party in power well as soon as you

have a one party system you have the foundation for an autocracy you have the Chinese Communist Party a one party system that can elect one leader essentially over and over again forever so even in the United States we're already debating which party is going to be in control France just dissolved Their Parliament for a very similar reason like the French Parliament that's a democracy yeah the president dissolved the parliament meaning meaning he made an order that said everybody who's in the parliament is no longer in the Parliament and the entire population of France has to

revote their Parliament back into Power why did he do that it's 24 dude that's [ __ ] crazy the whole country just hit reset on every governing Official that's nuts why do you think so he did it because he he uh saw a change in election behavior that he believed was being influenced by extreme political um meddling MH and he didn't believe that the French people wanted that level of meddling he believed that the French people if they had a chance to set the whole thing straight to redo the whole thing that they would actually

vote their conscious instead of voting based off of what influenced them in the Moment right because it's it's awkward in in Europe in Europe you have the you vote for the leaders of your country but then you the EU also has a vote for leaders of the EU and sometimes the EU leaders aren't the same as the country leaders so it's it's just an example of what I'm saying as the problem for the next 10 years yeah like it was a strong arm move for the French President to dissolve parliament that was not something that

the people asked for it Was not something the people wanted it was something the president decided to do on his own that's strong armed leadership that's that's an autocratic move but he's he's doing it because he believes it's in the best interest of democracy yeah do you think two part question one do you think Trump will get back in and two if he does what do you think do you think is GNA he's more leaning towards that there's only really there's two high probability Opportunities in the United States Biden will be reelected or Trump will

be elected those are high probability opportunity so I advise all of my clients all of my ultra high net worth clients all of my corporate clients all of my political clients right you need to be prepared for the two most likely outcomes Trump or Biden you must be prepared both outcomes were a bit interesting eh both outcomes are bad news both outcomes essentially guarantee For four more years of pain honestly both outcomes guarantee four more years of pain and then four years after that that are completely unpredictable because in both cases they can't really run

again right so what the [ __ ] comes after the next four years we're all so focused on November we're not even thinking about what happens four years after November you mentioned Israel and pales one thing I did want to because that's one thing I'm also Curious on cuz I'm so not aware of this I guess also another conspiracy comes into it people all these things what do you think like what the [ __ ] happening with those two countries well Palestine is not a country that's part of the problem right Israel is a country

Palestine Palestine is a is a people without a country they are they have been given land inside Israel but they have not been recognized as an independent Country they have actually been recognized by multiple countries in the UN as being a Sovereign Nation a sovereign state but they are technically with without land they're technically a country Without Borders right and that's a big part of the challenge it's a big part of the problem so I don't think there's any conspiracy there I think the it's actually very simple and people just don't want to accept the

Simplicity of it Palestine is a oppressed group Israel is a wealthy country run by a government that's a democracy it just so happens that the government and the Democracy of Israel is also a theocracy that is Jewish and it just so happens that Palestine is a group of people that is majoritively Muslim it's still like an exp it's a group that's oppressed and it's a nationalized democracy right it's just that there's no separation of church and State in Israel then you've got the actual villain in the whole thing Israel is not the villain Palestine is

not the villain those are just the two people who have been the two peoples who have been pitted against each other by the True Villain who's Iran because Iran has funded an extremist group inside of Palestine to attack Sovereign Israeli soil which then set Israel into a course of action to try to fight that that fundamentalist Group Which is comprised of Palestinians not all Palestinians just some Palestinians so essentially Israel who's totally safe and outside of the whole or I'm sorry Iran who's totally safe and outside of the whole thing has instigated this fire that

has got the whole world on fire right and no one is remembering nobody's focusing on the fact that it's all been instigated the arsonist is Iran and what we're focusing on instead is the actual fire that's still burning between Israel And Palestine do you think a nuclear war is possible a nuclear war is always possible as long as nuclear weapons exist nuclear war is possible you think will happen but that doesn't mean it's probable exactly right nuclear war becomes less and less probable every every day because we understand the damage and the mutually assured destruction

that comes from nuclear war now what I say nuclear war what I mean Is what's known as interstate nuclear war meaning a Sovereign Nation throws nuclear weapons at another Sovereign Nation the the big problem with our world right now is that there's nuclear capabilities that can be given to non-state actors so what happens if a fundamentalist or terrorist group steals a nuclear warhead and sets off a nuclear warhead inside of a sovereign country now who's accountable for the explosion right now my big fear in Ukraine is that some bellian group will get their hands on

a Soviet Warhead and then explode that Warhead in Kiev that's my big concern because if a if a suitcase nuke goes off in Kiev that can be traced to coming fromus what do we do yeah does the United States then bombus with nuclear weapons does the United States send a nuclear weapon into Russia does Russia attack belus with nuclear weapons what does NATO do it gets to be a huge mess Nobody's talking about the the Tactical relevance and probability of a non-state or IL defined actor actually using a nuclear weapon it's wild Andrew this has

been so cool um where can everybody check out everything you do you've got online courses you take people for a day teach them how to be a spy and they run around the city you do such cool stuff so where can everybody find everything that you guys do um and find you on social media Absolutely the best place to find me is on my homepage everydays spy.com if you want to find me on social media I'm everydays spy and if you're into the podcast World on YouTube Spotify or or uh iTunes you'll find my podcast

the everyday spy podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts I love it mate I've got one final question I ask everybody before we wrap it up so if you ought to go back to your 18-year-old self and give him 30 seconds of advice what would It be women are not the answer you're looking for you're looking for a challenge you're looking for an opportunity you're looking for growth and right now you just think that all of those things happen in a female there's so many better places to be looking for growth and opportun and challenge

that will yield far better results and yield a far better female partner for the rest of Your life