[Music] all right good morning Mustangs thank you everyone so much for joining us this morning for our asij 2030 series uh we're very lucky today to be joined by Brennan Barnard and Rick Clark who are going to spend some time with me and uh three of our phenomenal college and personal academic counseling team members here um to explore all things about the truth about College admission Um for those of you who perhaps haven't met me yet my name is Amy zuan and I'm honored to serve as the principal here at asij and as again I'm
joined this morning by Amy Cary Ryan notton and Tim nean um who work every day to support our students as they navigate academic personal and future Pathways um we know that College Planning is often top of Minds for our families and it's easy to feel that this journey is really high stakes confusing everchanging and our Goal this morning is to cut through some of that noise and to offer you some truthful thought guidance to help you feel confident supporting your child um but before we dive into the how of college and the truth about college
admissions I also want to ground Us in the why um here at asij we are committed every day to offering a a joyful phenomenal High School experience one that challenges your kids inspires them supports them While preparing them for a journey and a future that looks very different from today and and certainly very different from the uh world when we were in high school not that long ago um and that's why we're guided here by our portrait of a learner which describes the competencies dispositions skills that we know our kids will need curiosity creativity critical
thinking collaboration communication resilience global citizenship and we really truly Believe that combining the rigorous student- centered experience with these Future Ready competencies is the best preparation not not only for college but for life um Beyond asij and why we spent so much of our past few years engaging with experts in college admissions to think about how do we shape the high school experience to meet the needs our kids will have um and we also know that recognizing uh College admissions can feel disconnecting right it can feel um Hard to navigate and they families often ask
us how do we balance um High School experience with the pressure of what's the world um we're going to experience in college admissions and how do we help our kids feel successful without losing sight of their well-being and their authentic interests and so that's why we've invited two um very respected voices in the world of college admissions to join us this morning to bring honesty some clarity to the Process and help us focus on what truly matters um together they're Co authors of the widely acclaimed book The Truth About College admissions a family guide to
getting in and staying together as well as accompanying workbooks and podcasts and their work has helped countless families approach this journey with perspective empathy and a little less stress and we're very excited this morning to have their perspective from both sides of the application process um This morning um and thank you to the over 100 questions that came in from our parent Community uh when we were promoting this event our team has spent some time going through those com those uh questions summarizing them we'll have an opportunity for a Q&A Moder ated by our panel
today if other questions come in that you are wondering about feel free to email them to me um we have a chat happening with our with our panelists as well and you can send them To me and we'll be able to feed them into the qu the piece so I'm going to turn it over uh quickly for Amy krey to introduce Brennan and Rick a little more thoroughly and then have them start the morning off by sharing their truth about college admissions yes just a quick background on Rick Clark who is the assistant Vice provos
enrollment management and the executive director of undergraduate admissions at Georgia Tech under Rick's Leadership GE Tech is undergraduate enrollment has expanded significantly while becoming one of the most respected and sought-after universities Rick is also the founder of the Georgia Tech admissions blog a trusted source for families and counselors Nationwide and is known for his candid student Senor approach for admissions Brennan Bernard is the director of college King and Outreach At Con laab School in California and Director of College counseling from the college guidance Network he is also a advisor for Harvard's making caring common project
focusing on character development in the admissions process Bron is an a leading National writer on admissions with articles in fors the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post emphasizing especially how families can navigate this process with empathy and perspective I personally love their book and I hope that you as parents who Are here today can soak in their wisdom and the book If you haven't had the chance to read it already it's an easy read and the message resonates so strongly with all that we are trying to um encourage at the school too so thank
you so much Rick and Brennan for joining us today thanks for having us and um so we will um we're going to share our screen here and so um we have some that some slides that were were going to be kind of a uh a a audience Inter action but I guess we're not going to be able to do that so we'll we'll kind of uh we'll roll with it and we'll we'll we'll share with you what we often hear uh when we are doing presentations like this um and uh we'll start here you can
see that all right so just to start things off again thanks for having us um it's uh great to be with you all wish we could see your smiling faces and um and uh but what we Like to talk about is just sit for this with this for a second when you see the word College what do you think like what are your what are your immediate what what like like free word association just think to yourself what are some of the words that come to mind and and Rick do you want to why don't
why don't you share some of the words we often hear when we when you ask this question because we've asked this question gosh I don't know Something like 30 States now and a whole bunch of different countries and um and it it is always similar responses and maybe Rick you can share a couple yeah absolutely well and especially I think as as people think back on their own college experience you know uh it's always interesting first of all when people give responses I feel like they're always sort of smiling a little bit uh as they're
thinking back on that and we get a lot of FWS to be honest With you uh friends fun Freedom uh those kind of things uh Independence you know uh learning um you know a lot of people with again just sort of big open broad type of words and and I'm guessing um that would be fairly similar to some of the words that came to mind for for yall tonight today this morning I guess hear Adventure we hear connection we hear networks um you know everything um and then so so Now if we add one word
admission College admission what are what are the what are now the words that come to mind for you so I can tell you the number one answer on the board typically uh is stress that's usually it depends if you if you ask parents I think often times you get stress um I I asked this question recently at a Georgia Tech um alumni program so they they brought their kids and somebody Said uh Hunger Games which was kind of disturbing and dark uh and and also Black Box um so I was like wow we have really
gone off the rails at this point um but definitely some some stress some anxiety students of course rattle off some really good fun things like essays and tests and deadlines which of course 17 and 18 year olds are known to really Relish in yeah I mean so all we had to do is add one word and all of a sudden it goes Dark right and and I mean this this just slide is just an example of all the kind of different uh sources of uh information and um kind of stream of uh clutter that comes
at you in this in this experience and so our hope is that as you go through this you'll focus more on the college piece and less on this kind of idea that you know this kind of myth that you need to approach this as a stressful or overwhelming process yes there are pieces of it that that you Know are things to be done and things like that but our hope is that you will kind of Center on that that former uh idea of Adventure and learning and and networking and um experience rather than um be
bogged down in the sources of sometimes misinformation yeah so ultimately that is uh basically truth number one right I think think that um one benefit of this work for those of us who do it whether you're a counselor on the high school Side or in the admission enrollment side is we we get to watch this cycle repeat itself over and over again and uh I'm sure all the counselors and here on the call tonight and certainly from the college side I can say like we've seen it g go incredibly well for families and just like
absolutely terribly wrong uh and so that's one of the goals that Brennan and I have is just to try to keep you focused and keep the end in mind that you know we really believe That done well um we're going to talk a little bit about what that looks like tonight um done well and done right College admission can actually be more like college itself it can be about fun friends learning research it can be about um Discovery listening testing assumptions it it absolutely can be um he and I as as Amy said at the
beginning both are big word people uh we we do a lot of presentations we both write a good bit um and so I I really think Words matter a lot and and one thing I want to challenge this would be if if we were in person with y'all or could see chat this would be like the fill-in theblank section uh of the presentation but the idea is like when people like myself come to your school or when you visit college campuses uh or when you uh hear journalists write or talk about college admission they would
always call it the College admission blank and and that word would be process right um not Now unless you're already really bored uh with this presentation but later perhaps you can go and check Google images for the word process and basically the first like 32 images are something like this they're very mechanical very um you know recipe like very few actual humans right uh and so if you have a you know a student right now that's a a freshman or a sophomore junior you know in high school um they're like a they're like an orange
or A green person you know and what we're being told if it's a process is that there's a certain way to do it right and they're hearing stories and narratives about some girl last year who got into a certain school and this is what she did right like she volunteered at the hospital and she learned another langu language and she got a 1480 so just pattern match that right do that and oh my gosh please don't make a B+ or you know take the wrong AP class because Then everything's going to go off the rails
like but for those of us who have more than one kid um we know this to be true in our own homes like it's never going to be the same for two individual students you know same parents same DNA totally different people right and same true for college applicants two students can look very similar numerically or otherwise and have really different results and so I think what what Brennan and I want to challenge you with tonight Is to replace process with the word experience right a College admission experience because experience allows for variability you know
actually experience allows for the things we just talked about that make College great like unexpected things to happen and embracing that right so go to Google images for experience and instead you get humans interacting usually in cool places right um doing interesting things and that's what we hope for your family And that's really the the truth that we want to um touch on there yeah and as so to continue this theme of of words and and again this is this would be the fill in- theblank uh part of it but if you as you think
of of the college experience not process but the experience when when when you're starting out what's the first question that people ask about college when when you say you're a student um looking looking at college and you you want to go to college what's The first question they ask I'm going to guess your your first your first thought is where do you want to go to college right so we'd like you to think about this kind of what we consider kind of the hierarchy of questions right where is always the first question that that people
ask we would suggest that you start on the other end of things right as you as you venture into this college search and and application experience start with who Right who you are and what's important to you what you value um what you're interested in um who what who who you come from right your background um what makes you who you are is the most important and so knowing that is the first piece and and that's why at at asij I mean you in a really great place because as you know in the early years
you start talking about those things right you start talking about who you are as a person and um what you bring to A community and what your strengths are um after that we would really hope and and Amy said it a little bit in in her intro about the why right like why do you want to go to college right it's not always a foregone conclusion it it is for for in a lot of Independent Schools it's kind of assumed that you'll go to college but really identifying for yourself and for your family why you
want to go to college and why that's important and what you hope to get out Of it then then you get to the what then you get to the the what you want to study and what what you're looking for specifically and then the last thing is the where right that's just finding the right match and and too often we start with that and and focus on okay where do I want to go and then I I'll figure out the rest of stuff I'll figure out who I am once I get there or something like
that right and and you will figure figure out a lot of that but but asking These questions in that order I think really matters yeah I I also you know I think one of the reasons why that's important is people like myself um in the big bad marketing machine of College admission are going to barrage you with brochures and emails and all this stuff that frankly looks the same let's be honest um and if you haven't done a lot of that work it's going to be real easy to just get drawn into the wrong things
either Names that you know without really thinking about it um or what somebody else has told you is quote a good school um and we really want to kind of challenge this a little bit of of you asking this question like well what do you mean what is a good school like if if if we were with you in Japan and we asked you where should we go out to dinner um a couple of different people would give very different answers and and you know somebody says oh that's a Good restaurant somebody in the crowd
would probably disagree and yet with college oftentimes it's sort of accepted that now these These are good schools and then yeah maybe maybe not as much and and as students it's easy to sort of take that in and say okay well because of this or that a number perhaps a ranking perhaps where somebody else went to school maybe that must be a good school for me and so that's we want to just add and I think Brennan if you Click on there um one time it should bring this up but we just want you to
add those two words um you know is that a good school for me like let me just I I'll just tell you I am from the south I live in the south uh the south is not perfect but I do love it and I am not a good person in the cold uh I would not do well in the cold I also really like cities I like going to theater and and getting to like see games and shows and and taking advantage of everything Cities offer like there are some quote good schools in cold rural
places and they would not be a good school for me I would not thrive in some of those environments and so whereas I I am the opposite I'm from a small farm in Pennsylvania and I love rural areas and I'm in New Hampshire right now where it's in the single digits Fahrenheit and uh so a good school for me is going to look very different than it would for Rick yeah and you know again I know You're being a students at asij are being asked to consider these things already right like what do I really
think about that um for when it comes to colleges somehow I feel like we often will trade um our ability to critically think about this extra little piece of the question is that a good school for me and why and that goes back a lot to Brennan said earlier in asking all these really important questions Rick could you could you at least just explain why The contorted picture of your daughter is yeah and and even going back to slide people are probably wondering about those other three but the the George Clooney Matt Damon uh Brad
Pit one is this scene in Oceans 11 where you know he's explaining this whole plan and he's like well you know you got to walk before you crawl and he's like uh reverse that and and that's the big reference there to to Oceans 11 but the the this is my daughter and she calls This stretching um I call that contortion or masochism um but we were watching ESPN football highlights and and she's like watching the TV while she's doing this uh which is amazing and uh she's every different team that came on she would ask
like whatever College came up is that a good school you know and I just kept saying yes that's a good school it did not matter what conference they were from how big or small they were whatever and I was like yeah that's A good school you know for certain people who want certain things who are interested in certain things that's a good school right the bigger question is is that a good school for you until they got to Georgia Tech's rival and then that wasn't a good school yeah that's right this is all just to
say this all leads to this this truth that that the college search is really internal right it it's it's about you and who you are and and what you make it And so um I I think um and and it's internal for your family um and we'll talk a little more about family later but um what we want to do a little quiz and again you're just going to have to we had great prizes to give out if you had the right answer I think Rick was going to maybe give a a couple free admission
to Georgia Tech like but um so we're gonna have to forgo that and uh you just have to think the answers for yourself so how many college and Universities are there in the US yes any guesses how about any guesses from uh our our other uh the counselors and yeah so can I there's only about a hundred right that's all right right 100 exactly um so there are 4,000 plus about 300 or 3,000 four-year colleges in the US um and that that's that's changing all the time some are some are closing some are um some
are opening so um all right how many colleges accepted less than a quarter of all of let's say of Those 3,000 colleges how many colleges accepted less than a quarter of all their applicants so a 25% Amit rate or below any guesses about 80 all right so um and and to Ryan's Point those 80 or those 100 are often the colleges that we focus on and talk talk talk most about in fact the average admit rate for four-year colleges in the US is 67% so the majority of colleges in the US are taking two-thirds of
their Their students right or over at least over a half students all right so uh percentage of colleges that are test optional that don't require standardized tests and this is again a moving Target couple went back to test testing this week but um overall about 80% about 80% of all all college so so no matter what your strengths are I mean there the point is there there is a college for you and and then so we'll just end with one I added this one in Yeah yeah um number of colleges you plan to apply to
that you never actually attend and hopefully the answer is zero yeah do you want to say a little bit about that Rick well it just feels I feel dumb typing this question in but I feel like I have to bring it up because um I have a neighbor recently who you know and it's not like I haven't seen this before but a neighbor recently who got into a school and since y'all are in Japan and uh this really doesn't matter Uh to me anyway because you don't know my neighbor um she said I got into
the University of Tennessee and I said that's awesome congratulations and she was like I mean I wouldn't actually go there like what like why do you why did you apply like do you also just like walk into restaurants order food pay for it and then leave it sitting on the table like that just makes no sense to me uh and so I want to challenge you that if there's 3,000 fouryear schools In our one small country right and there's a whole world of higher ed outside of the US um I'm conf ident that you can
find whatever your number is 79 11 how many schools you apply to when you eliminate 99.99% of the schools out there and choose to only apply to seven or nine or 10 or what come on you should be able to find every single one of them that if you got in you'd be thrilled to go and that you will never say yeah I mean I Got in but I I mean I would never actually go there please please spare your counsel that Insanity so if you if you answered more than zero you fa you failed
the quiz um I wanted to I wanted to just uh talk a little bit about sort of my world I guess um from a macro enrollment stpoint and some of the things that are kind of happening out there in um strategy for uh enrollment first of all a lot of y'all are probably aware um but And first of all thank you for having kids and 20078 and N uh we genuinely appreciate that uh because that was the sort of beginning of what people will call the birth dir of the demographic Cliff right so those students
are now graduating from high school um and there is really a a falling off um as a as a result so people like myself you know Deans and VPS around the country we think about uh admission like a funnel you know at the very top of that you Have high school graduates so there are few P domestic high school graduates we also know that students are choosing different post-secondary options at a higher rate so not only do you have fewer students graduating but you have fewer students who do graduate choosing to go on to college
so the top of the funnel domestically is shrinking um when I first met Amy KY she was in Austria um and you know one thing that's pretty interesting and and probably many of you Are aware of this just by living overseas um um and you've seen it in Japan I mean Japan has been very um in the news lately for the incentives that they're offering students to come there to go to college I have seen in my travels abroad um you know particularly in Europe but certainly in the UK and and uh a Australia New
Zealand Japan's good example being way more intentional about keeping their own students but also Incentivizing and competing and fighting against the United States for other Count's students so my point is that both domestically and internationally the top of the funnel is shrinking um what that means is a couple different things but one of those is that admit rates like Brennan said earlier are actually going up not down right uh on a macro level because there are there's few you know less Supply um and so we're seeing an increase over the last five Years Five Points
of increase not decrease now yes it's true um that there are you know some schools that are seeing more applicants and not raising their um class size and so they may be seeing some drops in admit rates but the truth is lots of choices lots of options the other thing I want to just encourage you on as I said earlier you hear a lot of people talking about stressing being stressed out about college and College admission I want to again replace a word Here and ENC encourage you to stretch out you're thinking on the word
college right so maybe add some O's and add some L's and make College bigger and longer what I mean by that is follow the example of colleges Georgia Tech is a great example of this in the last five years we've added a thousand students in our first year class we are incapable of doing that if they all came in in the fall and to Atlanta what we've done is we've now started we start 100 students In England and France and we start 400 additional students in the summer and one thing you'll see and I'm sure
you know your counselors could give you other many other examples of schools where it's a yes but we want you to start in the spring it's a yes but we would like you to start in Spain or in France or you know somewhere else so I want you to think bigger than we did when we were going to college most of us when we talked about going to college it Was we're going to show up in the fall we're going to be there for forish years and bags are packed and you move in right if
you will expand your willingness to consider options you will have more choices and in my opinion and one of the thing Bren and I will talk about later is we do not believe that winning in College admission is like wearing a certain hoodie or putting a certain bumper sticker on the back of your car instead we think that winning And I think your counselors could give many examples of this winning is really having choices and options and if we think about what we want for our kids as parents more than anything we want them to
get to choose things in life we want them to get to choose their job choose where they go to school choose who they get to marry choose where they you know live right we want you to coach them towards options and choices and if you will stretch out the word college and Think bigger and and uh be more flexible that will be the the case and speaking of uh kind expanding and and and choices um this isn't an exercise we'll hope we hope you will do as a family um you know tonight or this weekend
or or or whenever um students and F and parents separately write down uh the first 10 colleges that come to mind just so just write them down and then come back and uh compare lists to each other but your your your job is to Explain why they're on that list right like how they got there how you heard of them um you know like so such this college um you know I I know their football team is really great or this college um my um a student in my school went to and I've heard a
lot about or this college um you know uh I I learned about from a college visit or you know whatever it is but um talk through the the the why those are on there and then another list building Activity we'd like you to do is look up five brands that are kind of in your daily world right look look up five brands that um you know that uh of gear you wear or um you know Electronics you like or uh influences you follow or whatever whatever it is look at the five brands and look up
who their CEO is look up who their leader is their president or CEO and see where they and then look up and see where they want to college I think If you do this you will see a vast uh array of different types of colleges and universities um there's um a website that we can share later it's called um less stress high school and it has a list by um different of every um major um company in the in the US at least um and where their uh their CEO went to college and the list
is uh expansive so um we hope you'll we hope you'll kind of play with that a little as a family um the other thing about numbers Is we really want to encourage you to never take one number in college and College admission at face value whatever number you see you should question it right um whether that be a r ranking whether that be an admit rate whether that be the number of dear to squirrels to student ratios that they throw out there like you should be asking questions about this so a good example would be
we admission people uh love to talk about student to faculty ratios I Cannot tell you how much crap we put in those numbers to get them low right at Georgia Tech you'll probably see like a 19 to one faculty uh student ratio and in the mind of a student that's like hey me and 18 you know friends are sitting around the table like talking about mechanical engineering no you're not you're sitting there with 190 other mechanical engineers like learning Cal 2 right so asking questions about um okay as a first year student what's the Faculty
student ratio uh as a senior what would that be in my major of physics versus the major of aerospace engineering how do they differ right um so asking better questions the other thing is specifically on admission what I would call admission math it is not regular math and what I mean by that is the way colleges count applications is not Apples to Apples and in fact I wouldn't even say it's like apples to other fruit so you know at Jord as an Example like we require students to have a transcript an application and test scores
right in order to be called a complete application if a student doesn't send one of those things that's not a complete application you're G to find other schools where like they know where you live right which is obviously a little bit uh petrifying but they will send you like an email or you know some other information honestly you open that thing and just like make eye contact With it they call that an application you know there's going to be um a lot of different numerators and denominators and we're going to talk here in a bit
about early decision as an example but early decision is is a way that schools basically go one for one on an admit essentially to a yield right which means that it's going to suppress their admit rate by increasing their yield rate and so you can have two schools right with with somewhat different admit rates but Because of the processes that they're running it's sort of artificially either suppressed or increased and so I just want to encourage you to continue to kind of use that critical thinking and ask questions around all right is it am I
really going to make a decision about this place based on what they ranked or what their admit rate is or how many applications they received or are we going to go back to what Brennan said earlier and be asking these other Questions bigger questions that are going to lead you I think to a better decision and and oftentimes you know as a counselor that when students will come to my office or families will come to my office and they'll say um is is early decision G to help me or should I apply early action here
um is that going to improve my chances um the answer and and is as it is in most things in College admission is it is is it depends right it depends on the school um it it again The the math behind some of this you need to understand who is in the applicant pool so an acceptance rate say a school has a 10% acceptance rate does that mean that um that it's a 10% acceptance rate for anyone no that's just an average right I mean so if if students from certain demographics or certain um or
athlete athletes or different things it's that number means something different for everyone and so to look at a number and just say oh they Have a a 10% emit rate um and write it off with that doesn't really help isn't really helpful um that being said there are some schools where applying early drastically increases your chances right just because they are because as you see on some of on this slide they are taking a high percentage of their uh their incoming class through early decision or early action rounds um and this is why you are
so lucky to have such a great counseling staff because they can help You kind of um unpack some of this and and think thoughtfully but my my question my question is always back to them right like yes it could help you at some places but that's great if you want to go there back to Rick's question of like would you go right but applying early decision somewhere just because it's a strategy right and you're not sure that that's where you want to go and you're just going to hunt for an early decision school is not
a good Strategy um I have two kids in college one is transferring because she went to a school early decision and um just wasn't a good fit for her right if she' probably taken some more time she might have realized that wasn't a great thing to Rick's point my my other student my other my son went to a college and was a February freshman didn't start in the fall the best thing ever had happened to him he took the fall and worked a job and had some time off between high School and college and hit
the ground running in college it's been the best thing for him and so there again everybody's experience is different and and and you'll hear a lot about numbers you'll see a lot about strategy and early decision Rea and restrictive early action is Rea and early action um but again dig beneath the numbers and understand what it means for you and and ask and ask yourself do I care right like do I care that they take a huge Percentage of their early decision of their class early decision um the answer might be yes for some of
you um for others it it will be know yeah we we hit on this earlier um just that that piece about choices um but you know as we sort of transition into the back half of this um I guess the big thing we want to just like say one more time is that probably the biggest thing that we would hope for you um is that you can actually approach College admission the way when we're enrolling students and they're about to start at College we hope that they will be approaching their college experience right we want
I mean a good college student is someone who does their research right and they ask questions that matter to them and questions they're legitimately curious about you have to know what those are um that they are question askers in terms of saying well hold on where where did that number Come from like what does that really mean digging beneath and Beyond the highlights the headlines and maybe the first couple you know uh links on a website um and then frankly I think what makes really probably the best college student is they're curious and they're open
to results that may not be as predictable right and that doesn't throw them off um in fact they're kind of embracing of that and that would be our Hope too for you in College admission is it's not a process like it's not something to be controlled it's not something to be followed like a recipe or a formula and I think if we can get our heads around this idea of like we're signing up for a learning experience and we're signing up for something that yeah sure is going to be a little bit outside of our
control at times but like let's be honest when we think back on life in general it's rare that it's like you Know it was just the best time ever when I scripted it all out and it went perfectly it's those serendipitous moments it's kind of like you know what Brennan said like his son yeah maybe he in his mind was thinking I'm going to start college in the fall and that didn't happen that that's not the way it worked out he ended up going in the spring and as he said it's it's been amazing you
know think about vacations think about things that have occurred in Your life in general it's often times the less predictable stuff that we look back on fondly and say you know that was awesome and I'm I'm just like so glad that it happened that way and so we're gonna kind of switch into now talking a little bit about how uh colleges read applications and um I want to start with a visualization exercise so picture in your mind when you think of who's reading college applications like who's reviewing college applications what do You picture just take
a minute close your eyes what what's the image you have lately people have been saying AI more so we can certainly dispel some of that later if you want to that's not happening okay does it look like this guy that we sometimes we've put a couple pictures up during presentations and and said you know which which person so a lot of times you know people picture this kind of like this person you know in a smoking jacket in a back room kind Of making these decisions halfhazard and uh the the truth is College admission officers
they look like Rick um so you know young and um um so so the the truth is they want to get to know your story right these are people who are um not just they don't have a big kind of stamp and they're saying yes no deny accept right they want to get to know your story and and dig into it in in a deep way and we hope that you will consider the Application not as a form right so yes it is a form it has different things you need to fill out you know
information you need to put in there but if you approach it as something like that you're confined to um that is not going to go well right you need to use the application not as a form but as a opportunity to tell your story so consider kind of the chapters of your lives and how do you want to portray yourself through the application Rather than like okay it's asking for you know this activity here and this activity here and just think before you sit down to to apply what is the information you want to share
with the school what is the story you want to tell and then make the application work for you um you know with with being being in school where you are and with your um very deep counseling team we're not going to go through every piece of the Application so we're not going to talk all about you know rigor of curriculum and GPA and test scores and extracurriculars and we're not going to go into great depth about all those things because we know you're well counseled um the one thing we did want to just say is
like yes it's true that those are the things that are asked for on applications but it's also important to understand like the way admission decisions are made um is very different Than sometimes the way they end up feeling when you receive them uh and so what I want to say about that is you know when we sit down and this is again some of my random pictures here but when we sit down to make admission decisions wherever you work right um I think about Atlanta and we have Agnes Scott College which is a all women's
college here um total population maybe 1,200 right so they're bringing in relatively small first year classes we have Georgia State University one of the biggest you know universities in the South um Emory Georgia Tech oorp everybody has a bowl and a bowl size that that's their target for their class they don't want to spill over that because that's going to be problems in terms of residence halls and class sizes and lines at Chick-fil-A they also don't want to shoot too far under that because that's revenue and that's going to be you know pretty important right
within the bowl you also Then have ingredients and the ingredients are essentially how admission decisions are made this is also why there's a reference to the World Cup uh because just like in the World Cup like they're not going to fill their entire tournament with with uh teams from Europe or South America even if arguably often those are the best quote unquote teams in the world instead what colleges are going to do is they're going to spread their admits in order to Create a certain type of class so to give you a really good example
of that um I'll lean on my alma modder which is UNCC Chapel Hill uh they are legis ated to bring in 82% of their students from the state of North Carolina and if they go over that Target two years in a row they actually pay a fine to the state right it's very important that they make their class size and their bow size but they get 82% of that soup is like chicken broth and I'm not trying to Disparage anyone if you're from North Carolina but 82% is broth before they start worrying about the car
and the onions and all the other ingredients they're going to put in and so they have 18% from out of state and that means that there's going to be a student from Japan or there's going to be a student from another state in North Carolina who's like not only a smarter person than a kid from North car gets in but they're frankly a better human right on All measures of the College admission application process they are better than this other kid from North Carolina that gets it is not fair but it is logical because supply
and demand and institutional priorities equal admission decisions and I think that's really important to understand because that means it's not going to be a spreadsheet all the time again where you can sort of figure out how it's going to go there's Going to be variance and the more you can work on the The Who why what before you get to where the more you can kind of again find a bunch of places that you would be excited to go the less that's going to bother you when admission decisions come out and again if you followed
all the various metaphors on that one slide you have a free admission to Georgia Tech um uh we're gonna move into it we're going to kind of fly these next Few slides just because we want to leave enough questions if there are 100 questions uh we're going to we're going to be here for a while so we want to get to your questions but um you know we wrote the book uh the truth about college ad Mission a family guide and this because we really believe that this is truly a family experience however you define
family that's defined differently for everybody but we hope that you will take this time to grow as a family and To have conversations as a family and to learn about each other and to um to think about uh the future as a family um and rather rather than just see it as um something that you have to get through yeah I mean ultimately this you know um I'm I I always appreciate working at Georgia Tech because I get to see this logo a lot and it's just a reminder um that hey you know if you're
on this call tonight and you go to SI asij and you are from a Family who's obviously invested in education and values in a lot of ways it's sort of a foregone conclusion that you're going to go to college and that's easy to just sort of blow by um and and not pause for a second and say wow I mean what a privilege like what what an absolute privilege that you get to decide where you go visit you get to decide where you apply um you know ultimately um I just think it's really important for
us to All sort of wake up every day with that sort of mentality of like I don't have to do this I get to do this and that just radically changes how we approach things go ahead Rick okay uh ven diagram section so um you know one of the things that I would just tell families um and parents in particular I think we parents put a lot of pressure on ourselves um when it comes to the financial side of college and understandably it's it's expensive right and that's going to Bring about some of what we
talked about earlier some of the Stress and Anxiety one of the things we talk about in the book um and something that we really try to just take a little time for is the biggest gift that you can give your students when it comes to the financial piece is not saying I'll pay for the best place you get in or I'll pay for anywhere you want to go I really believe that I really think the biggest Gift we can give our kids is to be honest with them about what we can pay or what we're
willing to pay and be really clear about why that is it is okay to say that you know here's my cap here's our ceiling could we pay more than that yeah we have that money but you know what we like to go on vacations I don't want to work till I'm 74 like that's reasonable if you're doing it early and I think it's also reasonable to say um you know again when it's Junior year and you haven't yet applied um my father-in-law is a good example of this my wife grew up in North Carolina he
said I'll pay for any public in North Carolina or any school outside of North Carolina for North Carolina prices plus $110,000 a year and all three of his kids knew before they went to college that if they chose a place that was going to be X plus 10 or and then more that was on them totally reasonable if it's done early not cool not cool if It's done after they've gotten admitted they've already posted on in Instagram they're going they're wearing the freaking hoodie that's not the time to say here's my line I'm not going
to pay for any more than that and we just want to really encourage you to have honest early open conversations about the financial piece keeping with that van diagram theme um we would argue that uh you have a whole lot of control in this Experience right A lot of times again this feels like something that's happening to you um we would argue that you have 75% control over this experience right you get to decide where you look you get to decide uh how you look um how you approach this as a family you get to
decide um uh what you what you um choose to study you get to choose where you apply um ultimately you get to decide where you attend the only thing you don't get to decide is what Rick and his colleagues decide and that's if you get accepted or not or not and and I know people think okay well that that's a pretty big part of the control piece but but you really have a lot of control over the doors you show up at right and so um that's what we hope you will focus on rather than
a lot of the other noise around some of this and um and so um we're just going to kind of scrip skip ahead a little um these are some things we'll talk about Um when we answer questions I think um and do you want to talk about this one Rick and then we'll yeah I mean um I guess really for parents in particular uh I think we just need to acknowledge like it's not easy being a parent right and and the the slides prior to that sort of show like it's not easy being a teenager
it's not easy being a student right now either but it's also not easy being a parent I mean We love our kids and we want what's best for them and that means we do some crazy stuff right um Brenan and I talk about this a lot but like nagging is just sort of like Love In Disguise uh and the the last thing that we want to just sort of close with and this is the plain picture is I just I this is my closing piece on almost everything and it is parents of high school students
should talk to fewer parents of other high school students about College admission and More parents of current college student students and recent College grads and this blows my mind because all through parenting before this we have always talk to people a chapter ahead right you're trying to potty train your kid you think you talk to some other like parent of a two-year-old no they're just as stressed out and confused as you are but when it comes to College admission somehow we think these people know and I'm sure at asij like y'all are very Honest people
but you're probably connected to a bunch of liars right these other parents man they just lie and they exaggerate and all of a sudden nobody from our school has gotten into that school in the last five years and did you know it's not only like harder at our school but it's also harder to get in everywhere and that you know that school down the street like it's easier and they get in all the time you know and all of a sudden some kid who had a 1420 like it wasn't really a 1420 they had a
1320 but they're lying to you she did not get a full scholarship she got like a $5,000 scholarship and they are lying to you so but if you talk to parents of current college students and recent College grads they say what Brennan said earlier as a parent of a like you know what yeah he wanted to go in the fall it didn't work out and it has been great she was this place wasn't even on her List as a junior she's going to the school now she's not only a tour guide like she's not just
like selling the Kool-Aid she's like she's yeah she's she's she's not just drinking the Kool-Aid she's selling the Kool-Aid right and people talk about this all the time you know parents of recent College grads and how you know we couldn't afford the place he really wanted to go it wasn't his first choice he didn't get into his first choice all these things And it worked out like ultimately I think we have to have way more faith in our kids being Dynamic and um and their ability to land and succeed and Thrive and that's what we
should put our time and energy into is while they're in our house hous is and while they're in high school preparing them for wherever they end up not trying to prep them for a certain place they end up all right well so um that was a lot and we're happy to take some questions This is just a um if you wanted we have a newsletter um that we send out monthly and a podcast so if you want to uh uh join the mailing list you can do that that QR code um but um I guess
we'll hand it back over to Amy and and and friends yeah thank you so much Brenan and Rick um it was maybe a lot but so good um so so timely um I love the reframing of the college application as the college application experience and I think a lot of the questions that we Collected really are about that um and I I also really appreciated what you were talking about of being curious understanding we can't control especially with where we are in the world now 2025 asking questions being open and I think that really resonates
with a lot of the work that we're trying to do as a high school right is prepare our kids for those um situations those places where um it's less perhaps the Traditional experience of an AP or an IB think we see many schools doing this and more trying to develop those skills of critical thinking creativity adaptability resilience um on the college side of that are you seeing that shift in college as well are you seeing a greater openness to these Progressive High School experiences that are perhaps moving away from that more traditional AP IB world
and and how can our kids you know focus on that experience um rather Than chasing a process yeah I would say absolutely I mean first of all um you know especially at a place I guess like Georgia Tech that has continued to get more and more applications from more and more places I mean I am just sort of Blown Away by the proliferation of high school experiences um that are out there and the curriculums that are out there and I was actually just talking to a parent in our neighborhood recently because I was Explaining how
IB right International baloria if you rewind 10 15 years ago like if you went to an IB School like you're doing the IB diploma and that was was kind of it and now there's like you know they can be taking IB and dual enrollment and AP it's all just sort of missed and mashed together right um and I think that's representative of this idea that there are many schools who have decided in our context in our community like we know what is going to Be best preparation for our students again as I said at the
end there wherever they end up um and you know back to um how do we read and what do we look at I mean the number one question we ask the first question you ask when you open an application is where does this student go to school that is question number one and then the next question behind that is what was available to them academically and outside the classroom and then what were Their choices along the way what did they choose to take at what point did they take that and how did they do in
those classes right I mean so admission folks um are trained to understand context and that is the Touchstone for the entire the entire admission Pro review process hinges on understanding context and we dig very deeply into that that's why we appreciate the relationships with counselors that's why your profile Matters a lot and then you can educate us on the questions we're trying to understand when we read and I'll just I'll just build on that quickly because I I work at a a a high school where um not only do we not have IB or AP
but we don't have grades we're Mastery based um and we have uh colleges and univers kids going to college universities all over the country and and they're excited about those students because of the I mean in many ways to your school where They're they're sharing the depth of learning they they experiencing and and and that really shows through in applications I think maybe I'll I'll jump in if I um and ask a question about standardized testing um I know that a lot of families are uncertain right now about how to manage sat or ACT scores
and if they should prioritize them or not um postco test optional schools seeing some Trends with stem schools maybe wanting scores And other schools that are asking for scores now so do you have some guidance on families should approach the test preparation in this test optional environment and are there certain types of students who would benefit more from submitting scores or not thoughts I mean I can start Rick you you know I mean I think the reality is there are you know there are enough State systems like Florida and Georgia and that are requiring tests
and there are Um some of of the more highly selective schools especially that are requiring tests and so if if families have if students have aspirations um for a school in in that group then they should be preparing for tests I mean that's just the reality of where where we stand right and um there tests are always taken within again context and it's not it's not like just they're looking at that and then that's it um but um if a school is requiring Tests they're saying this is one piece that is important about our application
they're saying this is a this is one piece that's important so so families are are well informed to to prepare for them yeah I the only thing I would add to that is um this goes back in my opinion to this concept of options and choices uh and because it is a noisy and changing landscape as it relates to testing um you know I think that we need to be Uh as we prepare students you know cognizant of all right there's going to be a some places where it makes a lot of sense or well
you may not have an option right so it's some it's required must send and to have those schools as an option you're going to need a test then there's going to be other schools where all right I have a test score and I can decide whether or not I want to send that I would say um most importantly though this is where the fact that they Are at asij is really important because what you guys have is you have historical data about certain schools and and the truth is these kids they don't need to worry
about all 4,000 schools they need to worry about the seven or nine or 11 or whatever that are on their list and as Brenan said earlier it's going to depend um on the schools that they're interested in their particular scores that they received um and there is no better way to understand What they should do than to be talking to your counselors about what they you guys have been seeing from your school to that school right this is also why you know talk about a a just an amazing um I guess blessing really is you
guys send people all over the world for college and that is you know people a lot of times ask like why is it worth it to send my student to an independent school like what are we paying for what are we investing in and one of the Things I would say is you know there is no better resource than an Alum from your high school who is studying at a certain College because they sat in your seat and they know what it's like to go from your context to that context and that's invaluable the fact
that you guys do send people all over the place and similarly what's invaluable is the data you have and the uh opinions or not the opinions but the the uh information that you can share with with families and Students about the testing landscape yeah and I'll just say sorry to add one more thing is the flip side of that coin is that for the student who is not a strong tester and just never will be sometimes it can be just an exercise and frustration so I I I think you need to know when to say
enough right like I again I have two kids one was a decent tester one was not and was never going to be and so to to put him through years of testing prep And things like that you know that was just wasn't going to work and and does that mean he there were certain schools he might not have been able to look at sure but um there's all those other schools that he could have looked at and did that were test optional so a plan accordingly I guess thank you I think that's very helpful it
is unique to each student and situation you know our juniors right now are obviously in the thick of of Research um and your chapter 5 in your book if I can just shout it out again it's such a great read for kind of thinking about fit and I'm wondering if you guys can talk a little bit just about how we can encourage families to maybe move beyond the rankings to identify colleges that are a good fit for them so maybe a few takeaways and recommendations um to help them yeah we we we're not shy about
the rankings I mean you know I would say the Best thing a family can do or a student can do especially is create their own ranking system right again that back to those questions we ask like identify what's important to you right not what's important to some college President who's filling out a form that is going to inform the rankings about a college he's never heard of or she's never heard of right decide what's important to you in your search what's the experience you want to have And then you can provide your own ranking and
say you know one to one to five in terms of community engagement at this school or one to five in terms of the strength of their um their Humanities program or whatever it is that you identify as important to you do that and then create your own ranking and then you can compare it to schools if you want to each other but um make it your own yeah um I we talked a little bit About this idea of like kind of and this goes back to introspection but like musthaves non-negotiables versus like would be nice
and and I think if if if as a student you can really think through that um it helps a lot again when when people like myself send you all this stuff in the mail and you're getting all these emails and people are all the opinions that are swirling around you it's like what do I legitimately know that I need to have as Part of my college experience and the more or you can be honest about this is a non-negotiable this is a must versus this is a like yeah that would be great if it works
out this would be nice to have but it's not on I mean that is again gonna really help when you kind of come up with this idea of fit and match and I would say also along those lines be open to that changing right so who you are when you start looking um in Earnest in the beginning of your junior Year to who you are in um you know winter spring of your senior year it's going to be very different right and like I said my daughter's transferring it's going to be different from when she
was a junior to when she was her first year in college right and so being open to being so your your musthaves changing right and not being so stubborn and saying okay um you know I I must have this in a college and this college doesn't have it so it's off my list Right being open to as you look at different colleges finding new things that might be um stand out about a school that you then say Oh you know I really like that actually I wonder if this other school has this as well so
just that openness thanks so much tin I know you might have a couple of questions to throw in I'll hand it over to you thank you um so this is a question for Rick and this is some um this is something That the families are kind of concerned about I mean looking for guidance about which is extracurricular and and leaderships so um how does your admissions team um differentiate between applicants with similar academic backgrounds and transcripts as well as similar extrac extracurricular profiles and what qualities or experiences truly stand out and if you can speak
about maybe pre-ol or some of the extracurricular activities or what do Leadership look like yeah so um one of the things that we also talk about um in the book and this came a lot from our our Georgia Tech committee review as well is this idea of what we call three eyes uh so the letter that is um not some weird AI generated you know image um but involvement right um this idea of okay when when admission readers are looking through um first of all I think people would be shocked and amazed at how fast
we get past the numbers like When how many students we look at and are like that is a great student like the the test scores or the GPA or the courses they've taken like are there and we get pretty quickly past that and start looking at these other factors right these other pieces of the application and so I we think about it as three eyes involvement all right what have you done what have you been involved with and honestly depending on the school you apply to that some of That might actually correlate to what you're
saying you want to study right and there there could be some alignment that strengthens your application because of that not in all cases but certainly that that happens and I think I would say largely in stem heavy schools and stem U majors in particular some alignment of involvement um the next one is um influence right H you can you can be the president of a club or the captain of a Team and actually not have that much influence like so when Brandon was talking about this idea of like application as a story instead of just
thinking about boxes and lines how can I demonstrate that I've actually had an influence on my school or on my family or on my community and then the other one is impact and those two are close but there's other ways to to think about that right so involvement impact and influence And so you're right I guess in saying that students can look similar in terms of extracurriculars mainly a lot of times on the involvement side but I think you can differentiate yourself more so when you start talking about influence and impact and using as he
said earlier the application as a story um the other thing I'll just quickly say um people love to ask like what's the best essay you've ever written or what's a good Thing to write about and and the truth is like you can write the best and worst essay of the year on the exact same topic like there's not any magic topic um I do think there is such thing as a wasted essay and we see this a lot at joria Tech I think because of this type of students we draw um where you just wrote
the same chapter in Pros like we already knew because of the boxes and lines part of the application what you had done and you just took an Essay and wrote All about that I already knew that that was a wasted chapter and so I think when you think about it like a story it's complimenting it's built on itself and you're telling and it's like almost like you're sketching something don't don't go back over the same lines like add color to it and start to get it framed up and I think if you can think about
your application that way it puts you in a really good position I hopefully I answered your question um But I think that's that's the way we look at it and I will say the other question that's like if admiss readers had a thought bubble the main thought bubble that is coming out of their head when it comes to the extracurricular section is will this student be missed right and you can be missed for lots of different reasons like you can be missed because you're the three- sport athlete that people come to the games for and
you sell a bunch of Tickets you can be the kid who couldn't even hit a freaking whiffle ball off of a te but you are the one that does like the lighting for the plays and that sponsor of that club like they're going to sabotage your transcripts because they don't want you to graduate because what are you going to do what's the drama club going to do when you graduate you know will you be missed and how can you tell that story and it can look very different for Different students they'll start winning the Whipple
ball tournament that's for sure no doubt Rick you actually answered two questions because I was gonna do a second question about essays but I'm going to turn it over to Ryan because I think Ryan has some really good questions for international students Ryan gotcha thank you very much and thank you everybody for attending we had so many I think over a 100 questions so We're kind of summarizing a lot of these put together so hopefully we're answering the big questions uh my question is about um International students so can you guys can you Rick can
you talk a little bit about how you guys at Georgia Tech view International students especially those with US passports and or other passports around the world like what pool they go into how are they you know differentiated how are they what categories are they put in And stuff like that yeah so so I can say for sure for public schools um we think we public schools around the country think about three buckets and and that would be students from our state students from the other 49 states and international students who legitimately are going to have
visas in order to come so for a American student studying in Japan they would be in the second well they could theoretically be a Georgia student but likely they're going To be categorized as a US citizen so here at Georgia attack uh unlike what I said earlier about Chapel Hill where they're legislated at 82% and then 18 we don't do it that way in Georgia we have a whole different type of politics it's called behind closed doors right it's not on paper and it's just like you know that's how things get done so it's not
on paper but we have 60% of our students from Georgia 30% of our students from the other 49 States and 10% from abroad for an American student in Japan they're in that 30% not in the 10% all right uh because they are not receiving a Visa they're not in international student they just happen to be studying internationally but they're an American citizen and so that admit rate is going to be higher for um for a George attack and for most schools around this the country than it would be for international students where there's Typically less
spots and often times even more demand um for the for the smaller in on the spots um for private schools that's obviously the whole different Revenue model and so they're going to think differently about that it's not going to be nearly as Quantified but that's when it gets into thinking about life experience thinking about what do you bring to the to the environment what do you bring to the community um and at the end of the day Um while it may may not be written or legislated because they're not a public institution there's going to
still be a number somewhere you're never going to see it um but that number for international students will be lower than for American students who are studying International perfect thank you m very much I think we have one more question that time would would allow us here um you talked about notable shifts in the Last couple years you know less students coming into the pipeline um testing policies are changing um a is coming into more aspects of everyday life what do you see as some future trends like I there was like a whole bunch of
questions from middle school parents and hopefully they have Middle School they have high school parents and middle school so not that concerned yet but we have some Middle School parents on line here today what do you what do you Expect in the next five 10 years yeah Brandon you want to go first or yeah I mean I think so so there's the there's the AI thing and I think it's gonna AI is going to um to uh play a role in different ways but I don't think that's something that we really can control I mean
so I would take it a different way I guess there there might be Trends there's going to be shifts there's GNA be a a demographic Cliff right so like schools are going to Want students they they want them now they're going to want them more in by the time the middle school students are in at the end of high school um but I actually I tend not to try to look too much down the road because I think sometimes that that encourages uh people to try to manufacture an experience right and and I would say
do what you love and do what is um Meaningful to you and do what is um is going to be a um a learning experience for you and allow that to um dictate the outcome rather than trying to trying to back map right rather than try to look at the the trends I know I'm not answering your question but try to try rather than try to look at the trends that are we anticipate for four years down the road or five years down the road or six years down the road and say okay now how
can I position myself to to Get to that to some place by then um because I think that's in some ways a Fool's errand because do did we know six years ago that AI was going to be a big issue or did we know that um there was going to be a pandemic or did we know you know all these things that we had no idea and so if we had been trying to predict them and and act accordingly and and make choices based on them we would have been wasting time so I know this
is this is this is Typical for me and Brennan so he'll he'll get real theoretical and now I'm just going to get down into the weeds um with with uh with with what do I think is going to happen from a trend standpoint within admission and enrollment um I so counselors can tell about this and if I guess if you've had an older student go through the admission process you may have run into these there's something called self-reported academic records that a Lot of schools have essentially what it does is it puts the work on
the student right students applying to a couple different schools and they have to go into that school's uh form and say here's what I took here's when I took it here's the grade I got right um I do think AI is going to kill the self-reported academic record soon like within the next year or so I predict all those go away because this is what um this is what AI does well it it takes Big data it scrapes and it pulls in and so the reason why the University of Tennessee or Ruckers or any of
these other schools have uh self-re academic records is to make it easier and more uniform when we read they're trying to be efficient with the way they read they want it instead of looking at all these different transcripts they want it to look the same so that they move quickly between applications well AI can do that it can pull from transcripts and make it Do exactly that if they want to add points because you took a certain type of class if they want to you know make sure math from ninth grade goes in this box
that's what can happen so that's a good thing because nobody likes those like students especially apply to multiple places the other thing that I I do believe is coming soon is what I would call multiple mediums of expression both for counselors and for students uh and I think AI is part of The reason for this but the essay which is been around for a long time to be honest is really not the best way for admission folks to get to know students and to hear their voice um I am of the belief that we are
close to a proliferation of students being able to upload voice recordings videos and for counselors hopefully to be able to do the same and other recommenders to do the same and brenon and I have talked a lot about this but I mean look for Counselors especially like especially someone who has kids in high school I want counselors in the hallway I want counselors who know these kids their door is open and they're able to do things they don't have to be hemmed in so much on writing these letters of recommendation if you can do it
P um by voice recording or uploading videos like s con you know that's what he sends is video recommendations we love those right I think that's coming I think for Your coach or your boss or the people we would love to hear from adult voices around you you know adult to Adult Community to community but who's going to have their boss go log in and upload something that's just a pain but they could absolutely voice record something and put that in so I'm really hopeful for this sort of proliferation of mediums of expression and I
think we're looking for a more expansive application in the years to come and I actually Think for especially for schools that practice holistic admission that is a that is a more holistic look at a student I also think we're going to see a lot more uh three-year degrees and credentialing and a lot more going on in that space You could also see the death of computer science is a major that would not surprise me I mean we've been talking about that a lot that CS will just be integrated into all majors right and and you
wouldn't specialize in that Per se you're a business major you're an engineer you're you know liberal arts major like AI machine learning you know all the sort of Cs components coding Etc is just woven into the curriculum you better stop before he starts prognosticating anymore oh I love it thank you so much um and thank you so much Brandon and Rick for for letting us add a few extra minutes here to get to a couple of those extra questions and most importantly for Your expertise this morning your honesty your time um we love that you're
helping families through the books you're writing your podcast your newsletter your website you're helping us all approach this experience the college application experience um with confidence well I love coming back to that staying grounded in what truly matters right who you are and what matters to you um and I hope our parents um can take take that message um with Them today as they head off and and think about how they're going to support their young people in the experience um families I do encourage you um Amy mentioned it um check out the books check
out the website sign up for the newsletter um and we also want to remind everyone um that our counseling team is always here for you uh they're phenomenal we have five incredible counselors here at asj and while the experience might feel overwhelming at Times you just know you're not alone um Reach Out to the College counseling team reach out to our high school office team we're here to support you every step of the way um we know he said there's so many questions that came in today we perhaps didn't get a chance to address them
all we have a number of upcoming sessions to talk with our high school counselors um that you can read about in our upcoming Mustang bulletins to get your questions answered about high School course registrations about trends that are happening out there um please please take advantage of those um and thank you all parents and a huge thanks again to Rick and Brennan for being here this morning and joining us for our asij 2030 the truth about college admissions uh we hope everyone has a phenomenal day um and yeah thanks so much we're all in it
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