David Icke on Elon Musk’s Secret Plan, A.I.’s Threat to Humanity, and Ayahuasca’s Hidden Power

Hello hello hello hello hello hey David how are you I'm good man good it's good to good to have you on here um is it cold there or what right now I'm in Mexico so it's not too cold Mexico yeah I'm in Mexico and my friend Davey that's here with me he's in Detroit in Michigan in the US and it is it is cold here yeah but you're you've got you've not got the clothes for Co oh yeah yeah I got yeah it's a little chilly it's been rainy these past few days here all right

yeah this Mexico I'm in Mexico City oh oh I've been there oh yeah yeah I love Mexico City lots of History yeah so where are you at I of whes just off just off the south coast of England about I guess about four miles off really half an hour in a nice to meet you David we're huge fans yeah it's really cool for me it's really cool for me to have You on here um so yeah I know you just uh you wrote a new book perception of a renegade mind I haven't got the chance

to read it yet I've been traveling around a lot so I was hoping you could just give us a little introduction about your book and tell us tell us what it's about we saw it got good reviews on Amazon amazing amazing reviews I just write them and then I think about the next one there you go yeah yeah so what can we Expect from this book can you tell us about it yeah well it's called perceptions of a renegade mind um and uh the the Renegade mind the way I Define it is the kind of

mind that's necessary uh at this time to say the least um it's not just a mind that critically thinks and sees through the the lies and the but then it refuses to cooperate with the and you know you can critically think and you can see I know I can see what's going on but then you can be intimidated into not doing anything about it and you know they say knowledge is power but it's not the use of knowledge is power if you don't use knowledge then you might as well not have it uh and uh

we're at a point now where we have to on mass start uh to stop cooperating with all this um otherwise it's going to um it's going to reach its goal what what's yeah what do you think Their endgame is on this oh the the end game is massive I mean it's it's there's a whole spectrum of the endgame uh an enormous number of dots to connect and and they do uh the endgame of the uh fake vaccines that don't fulfill the criteria of a vaccine are to uh take out enormous numbers of people over the

next few years uh with this uh synthetic uh genetic material that um is self-replicating so it impacts on the Body more all the time uh and to transform the genetics of the rest from what we have seen up to this point biological human to a far more synthetic biological human which is designed to be part of this massive uh operation that's unfolding called the smart grid uh being directed uh well directed being fronted up that's all he's doing really by people like Elon Musk putting all these satellites up in low orbit to fire um 5G

and other uh Cloud radiation at every Inch of the earth ultimately that's that's why they're doing it and the idea is that you humans are connected to This Cloud I mean people like Ray kwi at Google this So-Cal futurist um who has an he says an 80% record of predicting the future but I mean if you know what the future's to be and no one in into uh into into beans to stop it then predicting the future becomes pretty straightforward especially when you know what the future is supposed to be right Setting when you're setting

the stage for it yeah so so um he's talking about by 2030 they'll the human brain will be connected to artificial intelligence for sure as he says um once that starts um AI will do more and more of VI human thinking until human thinking is basically negligible so all these things like the jab and and the AI agenda and the depopulation agenda too they all connect I mean if you want to create a new human Um H you want rid of the old human and this is why we we're seeing sperm counts plummeting um catastrophically

around the world not at least in the west um I mean when I was a kid you know the the the the whole idea of um fertility clinics and stuff right never heard of them in the 50s and and the 60s when I was growing up um but uh now it's an industry it's a global industry because the the the the fertility is falling and and it's no Accident that uh those uh doctors and scientists with a bit of backbone who spoken out about these Jabs and taken the consequences of it uh uh uh some

of them have said it's the uh one one area that they're very concerned about is the impact of these Jabs on fertility so that that kind of fits in with this whole agenda and then then you've got the the other um area which is that this human 2.0 shall we say the new human is not meant ultimately to uh Procreate right it's supposed to be procreated technologically oh that that's gonna happen for sure yeah and if you go back to uh Brave New World in Old suley 932 he's describing this the the end of Parenthood

because the state will bring up children that are technologically procreated and that's the whole reason that they're trying to destroy the family the the ideology of the families exactly you know what's happening in America now with with this Uh merik Garland uh attorney general attack on parents who just want to stop their kids being indoctrinated and psychologically rewired by wearing masks in schools this is all part of it this this I've been following this particular story since way way back and that's uh how um the state is taking more and more children from their parents

under spurious reasons uh I just did a a video for a a rally an event in Denmark on this very subject for uh a group that is Uh has been formed and is campaigning because the the Denmark government has said they want to take 50,000 children from their parents um I mean this it and you know on the face of it you know if you hear that cold it's bizarre why would they do that but when you when you connect the dots and you see where this is going it makes absolute uh absolute sense we've

done it with indigenous communities forever too took their kids to indoctrinate them so it's not like we Don't have any it's not like there's a blank State there's there is a history to how we do this type of indoctrination but just before we get too far I just want to like what is the benefit of uh of depopulation what what do they is it just for a smaller population is easier to control well well easier to control yes and also they they want a different kind of human right not not all humans are going to

be able to make this transition uh from the human 1.0 to Human 2.0 don't you in a way don't you feel like that's kind of a natural stage of our Evolution like because I mean from like an objective perspective human beings are sort of naturally technological beings wouldn't you say that in I mean evolution is sort of works as a way to ensure the survival of the species working in the environment so wouldn't like Ai and us becoming a sort of technological biological creature be The next step in our Natural Evolution well H how can

being connected to an unnatural unal no no the point being that um there is a force at work that is making this happen it is nothing to do with Evolution it's to do with actually taking us uh to a point where we don't even have a mind of our own to think now there are enormous numbers of people in the world now who have and and going Back through history come to that who have conceded their right to thought uh by just putting their hands up and doing it it yeah um but but um we're

talking uh in this next stage that is planned where AI will do your thinking you won't even H have the ability to think because it will be thinking for you up to this we're the robot right robot up to this point they've had to Yes uh up to this point they've had to manipulate information to manipulate Perception so the perception of the people leads to the behavior of the people that suits this whole agenda but uh the next stage is they don't even have to manipulate information anymore as they're doing now of course in this

stage with they because they just give it to you nominal uh censorship that's going on uh but um they they are going into a stage if we allow them that they won't even have to manipulate information because our perceptions will Come direct necessary it'll just be beamed into our awareness yeah will be our awareness I mean it will think for us and you know I've been writing for a very long time about this whole plan for um a hive mind uh and and if you have ai which is centrally controlled and it is uh connected

to um the human brain you know I mean you know we're not talking tomorrow but we're not talking a century from now coming quick do you think there Will be competing governments trying to hack like for example I don't I mean we can talk about this a little bit if you want to but I I'm under the impression that that the governments of the world are competing with each other and you know they all want control of the world so like if America is the one that that initiates this AI um onto people do you

think like China for example will have another system that's trying to hack ours so they ultimately get to control You think there will be competing sort of AI Wars that will come out of one world order well it depends what level you're looking at yeah know I mean um in the end uh that which ultimately controls China is that which ultimately controls the United States do you think there is a there is there a source under that finish I've got to finish you come down um the levels and you'll meet levels that are are competing

or think they're competing But actually this other level is orchestrating um um all of it because the the the plan is um for an end to countries you see um this what they're doing at the moment just destroying the United States of very blatantly um I mean if you don't have borders you don't have a country uh and so um they're seeking to destroy America very blatantly but it's happening everywhere and if you if you look at their their plan over the years it is to Destroy countries George Soros has a global organization called the

open Society foundations what it should be called given the enormous amounts of money funds into these uh groups that are doing this is the open borders Foundation because the idea is that there are no countries because the plan is for a world body a world government dictating to everybody uh on the planet and therefore uh there would be uh Administrative units but they wouldn't be countries and Nations as we know them now right uh and uh so uh you know this whole competition between nations is is being phased out anyway to to for this world

um centrally controlled fascist state which will centrally dictate and control this uh smart grid so as I was saying if you um if you can control AI from a central point and that uh that uh AI is connected to the human brain dictating human perception you literally Create a hive mind where uh people all think the same and all act the same and if you um look at this whole covid era um well countries compete right well on some levels they do at least on on the face of it well theyve not competed for how

to uh respond to this have they they've done what the World Health Organization basically centrally directed um absolutely because you know I mean what's the chances of something happening whatever it is and virtually Every country in the world responding in the same way yeah it's uh it's it's obviously centrally coordinated and you know I've been writing for years about this uh this Global cult as I call it that's behind this um forget borders and countries therefore public consumption there there are no borders um this cult is as much in control of America as it's in

control of China you know the the uh the ma revolution in China was orchestrated by this cult uh for a Specific reason which is now playing out and that is they wanted a closed um country that um did not have to pay any lip service to uh democracy Freedom or public opinion uh which they could use to rapidly develop a system not least through technology of um mass human control and the idea was then once that had been perfected and incubated to play it out across the world so we've had this uh so-called virus coming

out of China um and uh what has happened in the west as a result of the last 18 months it's become more and more like China in terms of control and indeed the Chinese reaction the Chinese government reaction to quote covid which was supported very early on this is the way to do it by the World Health Organization run by a complete crook or officially headed by a complete crook called Ted Ross Who was appointed by Gates and worked for Gates organizations funded organizations Before he became uh director general of the World Health Organization they

were pushing this the the China way which was Draconian lockdown and people being taken from their homes and all this stuff um this is the way to deal with this uh quote pandemic which they declared and changed the definition of pandemic so it became a pandemic when it otherwise wouldn't have done right right and and and and as a result of that the rest of the world followed the Chinese Response that's where it came from uh so uh you know this this you on like I say at one level of the pyramid you can have

competition between America and China but at this level of the pyramid China and America are actually to probably it's probably super car compartmentalized so that the people don't the people that are competing don't even realize that there's another layer 100% that that's how how whole thing works because the the more people Who know what the game how the game works the the greater chance it is that it's going to come out and you know you know I I've talked to some people over the years who've been in the British cabinet you know government the cabinet

of the government and you have a chat with them and they genuinely have no idea um what's going on not a clue uh and and they are they think they're making decisions and and and and they're random and actually um it's it's all Part of a a global plan and and they are um making decisions to support the global plan and many of them without even realizing there is one you know the the the ignorance in politics of what's going on is shocking it's like they're brainwashed I like that you said pyramid too because it

really is like the allseeing eye at the top like the shadow government yeah we we were talking about before you get on David uh you know about all these conspiracies like I know Most of my conspiracies from uh reading about you when I was younger where do you get all this stuff like where do you find out about stuff is it just from like your are you just thinking about this and putting dots together well well it's a it's it's a long story it goes back to um it goes back to 1990 when um there

some very uh what we would call paranormal things happened to me but they're not paranormal at all they're perfectly normal it's just Within the uh the myopia of human society uh we think they're paranormal because we think normal is insanity um so these things happened to me and um my life suddenly became as a result of this a a synchronistic journey from 19991 onwards in which um I I was just walking into information I would I would meet people I would uh come AC across documents I would read certain books they dropped in my lap

uh and so on and So forth um and uh it's like some Force has been handing me puzzle pieces uh and in in in an order often often mostly in an order that makes them easier to easiest to understand where they go and uh you know when I used to do uh jigsaw puzzles a very long time ago um I always started out um wanting to find all the straight bits and make the frame first and and symbolically in terms of this work that's understanding how a few can Control the world because when you first

hear that you think that's impossible there's too many people but when you see how they do it it's very very possible anyway um and then you put more uh pieces in the in the puzzle as you come across uh and as you know when you when you're doing a jigsaw puzzle the more pieces that that go into place the easier the later ones are because you can see you can see what what's what's appearing and there's fewer pieces to Put in there anyway uh and and so it's got It's Gone on like that um over

30 years and uh wow you know the um as they say the the the the the the pudding is in the eating and all that stuff um the question was okay you put these things together and you say this is the plan but um Okay so is it and that is uh something that can um only be um shown with the passage of events and the passage of time and 30 years later it's pretty it's pretty Obvious that there is there is what I've been talking about a a a a plan which is um which

is unfolding for the centralized fascist uh nature of global Society uh and and all the different things that are happening they've all been in my books for for decades the these things that are unfolding I mean every day I I'm going through what's going on in the world and taking something that over here which seems to have nothing to do with over Here something else is happening that day and but they absolutely they absolutely um uh connect uh for instance we um we have a bit of a controversy over in Britain whereby uh we have

what you call freeways we have motorways and what the motorways have always had because of sheer um basic common sense is the the leftand lane has has been a an Emergency Lane a non-running Lane right one where um when you break down and this traffic Passenger you know what the freeways are like in America like in Los Angeles stuff um a passenger at great speed you've got somewhere to escape to when you break down um well what they've been doing in br Brit is taking that emergency Lane out making a running Lane and what what's

been happening is people have been breaking down and bang a a truck or something it's come in the back and it's killed a lot of people and injured a lot of people now on the face Of it that has nothing to do with electric cars Elon mus again but it does what these motorways are being uh changed and transformed for is the driverless vehicle absolutely and and the reason we're going through this transition that's what it is of driving electrical cars is it's the stepping stone on the way to uh driverless cars because driverless cars

obviously have to be electric and all the computer systems Etc and you can't Have a really have a driverless car that's a pet got a petrol engine and the and and then um you you take that and you put it into the uh the whole um absolute control no and and you you you reach a point where with the driverless cars which have been which are planned through the transition of electric uh drive cars um the computer will decide where you can go and where you how fast be able to escape anymore well you know

in Europe um the turn of 2022 uh speed limiters um are uh by law have to be on all new cars these transitions to the driverless car uh and uh I mean now you're getting a petrol engine car you can drive where you choose uh overwhelmingly but you you'll find great chunks of the world and the country are going to be denied you in a driverless car because computer won't take can't go up that road yeah that's a dirt road you're not allowed up we were talking about this before um I think it Was like

1998 or something my parents uh they everyone got free computers right they they put the computer in everyone's house and I wonder are they going to do that with electric car because everyone will accept a free electric car you know what I mean to some extent free well you see BEC because this this agenda is um is long planned and Global and centrally globally dictated it plays out through apparently unconnected organizations which at the the if you go deep enough In the rabbit hole of all of them that they're actually all uh controlled by the

same Force Jesus David so so you have um this plan for electric cars and what happens and it's been Justified not justified but apparently justified by uh this human caused climate change hoax which has demonized the gas of life with the carbon dioxide without which we' all be dead uh and suddenly what you're seeing now is not just Tesla and Elon Musk this This cult frontman it's Ford and it's all these other car companies are bringing out electric cars at the at the same point and and they they're talking about by 2040 there'll be no

uh cars made that aren't electric so uh and then you've got the the laws against um uh petrol cars and diesel cars and of course what what we're seeing is a transition in terms of fuel from uh petrol and Diesel access to um the Electrical uh access in in uh filling Stations gas stations and as this moves on if you've got a petrol car you're going to find it more and more difficult to find a place to get fuel we we've at the moment had this um in Britain this uh fuel crisis all manufactured where

people have not been a able to get fuel um yes the various things the government has done but but uh you know now hides from and so people have been lining up uh you know for hours sometimes to try and get fuel from A a gas station and uh the government's come out and said which created it and said uh oh well this just shows it's a good lesson that we have to get rid of fossil fuels and go to electric cars so the whole thing is is is coordinated and um it's uh being generated

being promoted this whole climate uh hoax by people in the woke mentality who are utterly clueless about the world and the forces directing the World to the point where they are demanding changes in society justified by what they claim are environmental requirements needs uh and they also perceive themselves to be anti system and fighting the system to get Justice for the planet when what they're demanding is everything that this cult wants this is why you've got CLA schab at the world economic forum and Bill Gates who've been pushing the the the covid uh hoax at

the same time they have Produced books saying we need to use the covid hoax in my words to to um change the world uh to save the planet yeah there's no doubt about that those documents are very easily yeah available so so the this is the whole point that the The covid hoax and the climate hoax are are actually um different masks again on the same phase which is why the same characters are pushing both because if you look at um the solutions to these apparent claimed problems they're all The same their centralization of power

and uh control of the f detail of people's lives uh because they you know so now they're more and more talking about the fact that we need climate lockdowns yeah right so they're fundamentally connected and and all the dots connect between them this Cult of people is this um do you believe it's a lineage that traces back from that that has just always sort of been in control or is it is it a new group of people Like the billionaires that are the tech people well that's an interesting question because um when I started to

realize in the 1990s that the world was not controlled by the people we saw on public display um and I started to realize um this is part of putting this uh the the straight pieces you know in the chicksaw puzzle how do they do it and and I realized actually that um you've mentioned the word uh before there is a fiercely compartmentalized Network in which the vast majority of people who are every day playing their part in pushing the world in this centralized fascist direction or wellan Direction I have no idea what the force is

that's actually driving it they have no idea uh they just get told what to do and they do it and then they tell the people below them what to do and they do it this is how it's all done without knowledge of of why they're doing it and and how what they're contributing to do It connects with other people in other areas of the world and other areas of the e economy who are also contributing to push the world in this direction and they don't know uh uh how it all fits together either they just

do their job and go home uh and so when I saw that this this network existed and how it worked the question was when did it start and you start to go back um to um to find this the the starting point and It goes right back into the the the The Mists of history but you can pick it up in Babylon you can pick it up in ancient Egypt you can you can chart it through the Roman Empire because everywhere this culture has headquartered itself there's been an Empire and then it moved up and

and and massively centered itself in London and that's when we had the British Empire and then um through those European Empires uh ma massively the British Empire but the others too the French and the German and the the the the Dutch and the Belgian this cult um uh went Global this is this is how it went Global uh it it it the colonial era was driven by this cult Going Global and so people would say yeah but but the colonial era ended well yes it did on the face of it but not really no not

really there's two forms of control one really unless you you you do it the way they want to do it through artificial intelligence um where you you know you Don't have the capacity to see what's going on anyway once that starts but there's over control where and that's Colonial that's colonial rule the people know who's controlling maybe not from the Shadows but they know the the the the forces that are directly controlling them they're the colonial powers and it may take a long time but there's um there'll be a rebellion against that eventually but the

um the Co the uh covert control where you think you see Your rulers but you don't really uh is much more powerful because people don't rebel against what they don't know exists so at the end of the colonial um era after the cult had gone Global I mean really Global especially the year like I say the British Empire to Australia and New Zealand and Africa South America Central America the United States as it became Canada everywhere um they um apparently rolled back uh the colonial rule but they didn't what they Did is they left out

in those countries um various families and the network the um secret society networks that have gone on controlling those countries ever since uh only covertly so that people think oh yeah we've got we we we can vote now I mean look at um South Africa we had this big uh push to get rid of apartheid because apartheid was a white minority rule uh and basically a one party State that's what it was and then um they had a transition to another Onep party State called the African National Congress and and that we've got this bizarre

situation in South Africa whereby whoever is head whoever is voted by the African National Congress as its leader automatically becomes the president of South Africa because uh South Africa is a one party State and and again people have uh they vote in that in that way for thec in in in the largest numbers election after election Okay that's their choice well have a look around a bit more I would say but what it means is if you are elected head of the um of thec you stand for president uh as as head of thec at

an election and you're going to get in every time so it's not actually the people of South Africa that are choosing the president of South Africa it's the it's the inner core of thec and these manipulations in the different countries uh mean that this uh This cult is um is dictating uh the leaders and uh it's dictating not only um who wins but who opposes so they control the game you know in Britain we've got this moronic man called Boris Johnson who's been prime minister a cartoon character oh a complete complete this guy but a

very Sinister one actually he plays the fool but he's a very dark man oh that's Bush style the um the opposition leader uh in Britain is a guy called Kama leader of the labor Party what's left of it and not only have the labor party through this whole covid era not oppose the fascism imposed by the Johnson government they've said the fascism doesn't go far enough so at any election in Britain now and it's the same in almost every other country the the the people voting have no choice right there's no one to represent them

um and uh so the cult is running the show and it's fusing country after country into one party States as As a stepping stone to the one party world which will be uh centrally controlled uh World Government which won't even be elected it will be a technocracy of uh appointed uh bureaucrats scientists technicians Etc like it is kind of already right in a sense that's a good point that's exactly where we've gone because if you look at Silicon Valley Silicon Valley is run by technocrats yep Absol Valley's got more power than the American government now

Exactly you know what I mean soy is already uh appearing and and and what is Bill Gates he's a technocrat Antichrist depopulation everything he has no business talking about that but do you think at the root of this at the source of all this do you believe that it's a cult or do you think it's just about human power because I had this opportunity I was just living in Peru for six months and I got to live with These iasa shamans and they were making me do these ceremonies all the time and it really changed

my perception of the way like I believe that there are dimensional realities that we can tune into and gain access and power to these things and I've heard other conspiracy people speak about this and say like maybe they are using different plants and occult methods to tune into these realities to to to uh gain powers and things like that do you think any of That is really going on or do you think it's all about sort of just like the natural human urge to claim power over people oh no no it's uh it it is

a I mean would people say to me why would they do it well I say to them why does a psychopath do what they do wow why does a psychopath serial killer serial kill well because he's a freaking psychopath that's why he does it and these people are psychopaths they are super Psychopaths but even you know I Mean you look at someone like Gates he he may be super rich but he's still a gopher you look at someone like sorus he may be super rich but he's still a gopher look at silic Valley people they

may be rich but they're still Gophers that all these different uh people and organizations are ultimately controlled by a force you don't see and what they just very quickly happens is when you front up various aspects of this cult agenda you can become very very rich Like um Gates like sor but it comes with a rider and the rider is that great chunks of your wealth have to be um channeled back into funding uh a agendas that the are part of this whole cult agenda so um you know uh sorus makes enormous amounts of money

which is very easy to do when you know the stock market's going up and going down because the people calling you are making it go up and down it's it's very easy to become very very wealthy um and but that Comes with a rider so he has to fund this this great uh sthe of organizations worldwide um through the open Society foundations to to as part of the deal um and uh but so they're Gophers all these people are gophers to to the the the that which is in the in the shadows but then you

say well like I said earlier um you see um this has passed through history and people have been born played a part died more born Next Generation played their part died and and when I Looked at this a long long time ago back in the '90s I thought there has to be a coordinating force that spans this period that's actually orchestrating all of this like a organizational field if you like and then I um I started uh looking at um ancient accounts and ancient legends which bring will bring me into um what you said about

iasa because I I did that in the Brazilian Rainforest in 2003 and had most extraordinary experience um and you you Find common themes not you not just common themes between ancient cultures but common themes between religions in ancient cultures that are not overtly religious in the bricks and mortar religion uh way so the common theme oh there were many but this is one of them that there is a NE ative force that is manipulating Human Society from the hidden that that is a common theme staggeringly and they call this hidden Force different names in Different

cultures and different religions and and so people don't tend to uh look at the common themes they look at the names or they say this God they say these gods they say these gods don't look at how they describe them and let's see if there's any common themes here and there are so if you look at uh Christianity it talks about the devil Satan it talks about demons then you look at the uh the gnostics that Wen are not the same uh type of Christianity in Fact very different in many ways um that um I've

left uh documents over the years like a phenomenal uh Treasure trobe of them found in an earn jar in nagadi 75 880 Mi north of Luxor in Egypt in 1945 and a fifth of those writings which are quite considerable talk about a negative Force manipulating Human Society from the hidden which they call um yalo which is their version of the devil Satan and arons which is a Greek name for rulers which are their version of the demons And then you look at other uh um religions and cultures and that the same theme is there like

like the the Islamic culture they talk about the Gin manipulating from the hidden I was in a a New York Taxi being taken from uh New York airport into the city at one time when I was researching this whole uh Gnostic archons thing and uh the guy he was a a Muslim taxi driver and he he said to me well you know what are you doing I having a chat and he said what What what are you doing now I said well I'm just look I'm working on this and I talked about the Gnostic version

of the archons and what they said about them and he saidwell that's the Jin right so yeah these things these these things come together and then I came across a Native American version of it called witiko and wio is described um as a mind virus which um is a negative Force manipulating Human Society through human and you know interesting Tibet in Tibet They have the same idea that they're these sort of demonic entities that possess you in the form of your desires or your attachment it's kind of like the same thing it's like this little

yeah it's a possession in the form of a craving yeah yeah and and so I I looked at all this and I saw the common themes in it and as as as my kind of research and stuff developed um it was clear that you know you can talk about humans Behavior you can talk about Extraterrestrial Behavior but in the end the behavior comes from Consciousness it comes from perception my perception of life um will get me to behave in a certain way Bill Gates's perception of life will get him to behave in a very different

way uh this extraterrestrial will will be benevolent to humans this extraterrestrial will be malevolent to humans because of their perception so in The end it all comes down to consciousness now how about we're looking in terms of the malevolence at the same Consciousness that is called witho and and and demons or archons whatever same Consciousness and and it's a low vibrational Consciousness that operates within the frequency band of of what I call low vibrational emotion fear is its major major State um anxiety hatred um conflict Anything like that these low vibrational emotional states depression and

because it's operating in this frequency band I'll call it wio to pick out a name um so that's what I call it in perceptions of a renegade mind um for it to influence you you have to fall to its frequency band so uh because it this is the driving force this is the controlling force of your Gates and your fouches and your CLA Schwabs and all These people Roth Charles Rockefellers and whatever you um uh who have been used to construct society as it is the idea has been to construct a society and the the

shamans around the world talk about this um that generates maximum fear maximum anxiety maximum depression and maximally pulls people's Consciousness into these low vibrational States because at that point an attachment can take place if you if you are full of love and joy then um you Are operating at a higher frequency and wio can't get you yeah get you you get pulled into these low frequency vibrational States look at dependent vibrational States like depression anger they're all dependent on something love is when you're really in love you're in love with just life itself it's not

dependent on anything you see everything through that lens so it's harder to fall into a to a pattern of of depression or hate because you're seeing through a Lens of compassion and through acceptance rather than something that's dependent on something which would be like able to attach to you exactly so now now you look at Human Society especially they've up the anti in the co and it's all it's all based on um and and and this is one of the things that that that that's coming they going to throw everything at us they're going to

throw um energy shortages food shortages they're going to uh throw um uh Internet Outages uh Etc they're going to do everything they can to put us in a state of fear and anxiety because they want to pull us into these low frequency States so for instance um you know I have this concept of wo fighting wko and this there's loads of um examples of this I call it Theo circuit you um are acting uh in a way that expresses wio for instance in a fascist um Psychopathic way and you respond to That Psychopathic fascist in

in um imposition with anger with hatred with violence that's whato fighting with Tio you know if if if we're going to break this circuit then we've got to come at this from a completely different angle and stay calm and not fall into hatred and not not fall into fighting the enemy what you fight you become I've been saying that for decades because it's very very obvious I mean I remember talking to a Police officer in uh in London who uh policed the um demonstrations a few decades ago between the far right the far right would

have a March and the far left would have a March opposing the far right March and this this um this police officer said to me he said if they weren't carrying banners I wouldn't know which was which oh my God what you fight you become and and and the way out of this is the power of no you don't have to scream no you don't have to hit Someone and say no you just have to say no and mean it no I I'm not doing it I'm not cooperating with my own enslavement because um you

know if you go up this pyramid to the inner core of the cult certainly in the human world um you're looking at a handful of people compared with the global popular a handful you probably get them in one room and and and yet um the um that that few are dictating human Society and this is how they do it it's very simple and this is why the of know is how we break the circuit um at the top of the pyramid globally that happens in every country as well because the you know every country has

its subsidiary networks of the the global cult and their job is to impose the will of the globally centralized uh agenda in their particular country this is why the in the covid era all these countries have reacted the same essentially coordinated Um so at the top of the pyramid you've got these few you probably like I say get them in single room and they decide where they want to take the world and they impose that agenda on the level below them which will still be a level of the cult in awareness of the code and

they will impose that will upon the level below them the first level acques to the few and imposes on the next level which acases to that and imposes on the next level now pretty soon after you Come down this pyramid uh you you're meeting levels of that Global hierarchy and the national hierarchy you have no idea there is is a cult there is a group of people in a room um but the same Pro process continues it's imposition of that level on that level the acquisition of that level to that level and the imposition of

that level on that level and so it goes on imposition acquiescence imposition acquiescence and then you you come to the mass of the Population um symbolically the bottom of the pyramid and if we complete The Circuit by acquiescing to that level of the pyramid imposing on us like governments and law enforcement then we complete a circuit between those few people in that room and the entirety of the global population but simply through levels that perceive themselves to be below the level above acquiescing and if at some point Anywhere in that pyramid it might as well

be us it's only gonna be us really yes says no no no no no I'm not doing that I'm not doing that no no no we're not doing that that circuit is broken because you know you look at 8 billion people getting on for anyway and then you look at the numbers uh take the inner core of the cult take the the the the the further out level of the cult that that know less but but know a lot and and then take all the law Enforcement and all the military in the world that are

overwhelmingly Clueless who who their real Masters are who who impose the will of their masters um without knowing they think their masters the bloody president joke um and you add all those together and it's still a tiny fraction of the8 billion and if you look through human history not least because of what we've been talking about you know the uh the continuation of the same basic process Through history I mean it's changed in its emphasis and it's changed in its way of selling it but it's been basically the same uh uh process the many no

matter what culture it is doesn't matter what religion it is it doesn't matter what era it is the the many give their power to the few who um as a result impose their will on the few on the many that's happened all the way through human history uh and all that's happened in the covid era is it's become more Obvious as things have got more and more extreme but that's been the process of all along there's no way that genis Khan or um Joseph Stalin or any of these people um could have um could have

done what they did without the acquiescence of the people no no way Hitler and the Nazis could have done it without the acquiescence of the people acquiescence in two ways one supporting them because they they bought the lie and two intimidation into obedience because they Fear the consequences of not uh being obedient if you look at the the population of China today I mean it's unbelievable massive yeah it's huge if that said no in any kind of Unison to these pratts in um in the government in the communist government the communist government we we'd see

actually all along has had no power yeah yeah because you can send your military out okay but on hold on a minute have you seen the military compared with the population It's not even no way so what they do is they divide and rule the population they intimidate population because they have to divide a all divid otherwise any form of unity and it's over this is this is why you've got BLM funded by the billionaires funded by the cult brilliant because on the surface it's a it's a beautiful message you know historically black people in

the US have had such a have felt uh uh you know dis disconnected and dis represented and Then they say well black lives matter you get everyone to agree with it's easy to agree with that like of course because of course yeah exactly but well that's that's the psychological trick a psychological War it's all psychological it's all psychological and then George Soros runs it yeah yeah exactly when there's billions of people and you're a few until you get AI connected to them and they become a hive mind oh God you have got to manipulate their

perception And you've got to divide and rule them so they're fighting among themselves and they they're therefore not uh aware of you fighting you because you cannot physically control eight billion people what you can't physically control 330 million plus all those we don't know about in America um because this you there's not enough of you so you have to control their perception which dictates their behavior to Agenda populate them yeah that's another way of doing it so they have created um black lives matter use this phrase that no one can argue with black lives matter

but you know it's a scam you know it it the the um the goal it claims to have is not true uh when all lives matter becomes a racist statement you know you know it's a scam then yeah yeah and and so all this Money's been put in uh uh to create racial um Division and and if you look at um the uh the the black-on-black Crime in America through not through gangs like in uh in Chicago and you look at all these the the things that have that have happened in terms of uh of

of black people and black communities well BLM is is not really um uh addressing those in any way shape or form it's it's not what's best for black people at all it's what how do we use black people in this divide and Rule um agenda which you quite rightly say again is massively funded by by Sorus and this is this is the the very very um important area because and it's something I bang on about all the time where where are you focusing your self identity because your ultimate self-identity not your current experience your ultimate

self-identity because what the cult wants you to do is to self-identify with the labels of a human life yeah so it wants you to say I'm black I'm white I'm this religion I'm This race I'm this income bracket I'm this sexuality now they want you to identify your experience as a human which is very very brief which is an easy hijack yeah part of who we are because of our tribal past because what it what they won this is this this goes back to a multi-dimensional angle to all this what they want is to isolate

human perception in the five senses overwhelmingly and the five senses are that level of our Consciousness Awareness that directly interacts with this reality which is only a very tiny ridiculously tiny band of frequency uh because because um what they don't want is for your uh human mind to your experiential human mind to be influenced by the expanded levels of consciousness that are also you they want to disconnect you from that yeah because once you expand your awareness out of the five senses you start to see how things fit together you start to see Through the

Li because you are are uh taping into a level of your consci manipulation it's it you know it's like a battle's going on in the valley yeah that expanded level of Consciousness you're on the hill and you're seeing out what the hell's going on from that perspective whereas the five senses are only in the valley fighting the next person that comes up so um if you if you look at um the way Society is structured it's all About the five senses and it's all about focusing people on the five senses and not um letting them

see that they're actually uh much greater than that yeah it's sort of like extracting people's power and casting this linguistic hallucination in the form of culture over them so they take on this identity and then through that given identity they're powerless you don't know who you are if you're forced with these Identities so ultimately we need a spiritual realization we need a spiritual Revolution go word and so that we can realize that these temporary cultural identities aren't us they're just these sort of they're just thoughts they're and they they're thoughts that we overly identify with

that keep us in these lower vibrational states that you were talking about that make things easier easily more like uh attachable to us because if you know who you are you Know who you are you don't need anything because you're you know who you are but if you don't know who you are then it's very easy to be manipulated yeah if you look at it from CR grave we're told who we are exactly what our who they were and our grandparents were told who they were this this is who you are this is who you

are this is what successes and all these things right now so um I was born um in um in England so I'm called English but I don't I don't Self-identify the eye the the true eye the ultimate eye with being English that's my experience I'm Consciousness and and and and my Consciousness at end of this cycle uh of the body the body has a cycle we have eternity um we'll leave and and carry on experiencing forever forever uh this is just a brief um experience called human and what is human it is simply the way

the body decoding system the five sense decoding System uh massively decodes information that What Makes Us human why why why is an elephant an elephant why does an elephant act like an elephant and a duck um act like a duck because their uh biological computers as I call them their bodies uh and their decoding systems decode information and reality in a certain way their operating system yeah an oper exactly an operating system um and so what we call human is an operating system that decodes Information in a certain way thus leads to a certain perception

and behavior we call human but when the Consciousness leaves the body it's not human it's it's Consciousness which is accessible through things like aasa absolutely exactly because what what does aasa do it overrides the decoding systems of the body and and if you look at the five senses um they decode everything as a part from everything else so what what The the five senses can only decode a particular band of frequency and that frequency relates to what we call form um actually holographic form but what what we call physical form so you see people and

you see buildings and you see objects and you see empty space between them that's the way the five senses decode reality and that's all right it gives us an experience of that but what it means is that the five senses alone can't connect dots because All they can see is dots and the dots apart from all the other dots right when you go into expanded states of awareness beyond the five senses and anyone could do it it's only a choice then you start to see the unity of everything so you start to realize that um

there is no empty space it's energy Consciousness but on a frequency level that the five senses can't code so it appears to the five senses there is empty space it's actually a field of of of Consciousness A field of possibility and probability that we're interacting with and what what possibilities and probabilities we we um connect with and and pull into an experience is is uh decided by our perceptions now this cult which is hoarding all this knowledge and making sure the public overwhelmingly don't get it knows this so it knows that if it can control

your perception it and and therefore your frequency because what perceptions of Frequencies like emotions and thoughts of frequencies it will dictate the the the frequency band with which you interact with this field of possibility and probability uh in a feedback loop so for instance if you've got uh a perception that you're little me and have no power and nothing ever happens to you because you you're just got no power you've just you know you've got nothing to give well Universe was random anyways that's that's your um That's your perception so that's the frequency you're operating

on that's the frequency with which you are interacting with the field of possibility and probability so you will manifest as an experience what is in that band of frequency and that band of frequency relates to your perceptual frequency so unless you change this uh I'm little me I have no power you will go on living and little me I have no power life not because it's it's it's necessary but Because you believe it is this is how your belief becomes your experience and if you uh um if you look at um the the way that

the the the real deep manipulation goes it's to manipulate perception because they know that will actually manifest as Behavior so the more you can convince the target population that they are powerless the more they will U manifest powerlessness from their belief in their powerlessness it's it's a it's a Feedback Lo and and and so they know and this is the bottom line of the whole cult U manipulation they have to control perception and then they control the world because perception becomes behavior and Collective Behavior Collective perception is what we call Human Society yeah that becomes

our reality do you think they're in contact with these shamanic Realms like do you think They're like somewhere doing these rituals and contacting some kind of intelligence that's like these iwasa intelligences or you know like these spaces that the shaman speak about when they say like yes are beings here that give us knowledge there's beings here that will do negative things for us do you think these guys are into that kind of stuff yeah well big time I mean I've written about this a great length in the books over the years um Satanism And uh

pedophilia which is another oh absolutely yeah yeah oh no adrenal Chrome is absolutely um Central to uh to this cult and you think this is the same kind of stuff that was going on here like with the Aztec and the Mayans where they were all same stuff same stuff you know funny enough is it um I think it's perceptions of the Renegade mind I actually talk about that that that um yeah I do uh uh I do it's perceptions about uh you know why throughout history Have people there psychedelic cultures also yeah what what why

throughout history have these peoples of different kinds acted in such monumentally evil uh ways because once you attach massively to wio you become wio yeah you bring it into this real a incredibly distorted chaotic inverted State of Consciousness so this is why satanists Satanism is an expression of wi EO um this is why um they invert everything for instance they Invert the cross they invert the pentagram interesting is that why Hitler inverted the swastika yeah they're all they're all um turn good things into bad inverting life if you look at the word evil it's the

word live written backwards and and um it is an inversion of life this is why they're obsessed with death it's why the satanists do so many of their rituals in places of death a World War like the world war first world war massive Um upheaval and uh suffering um is is a is is a is a is a collective ritual to them it's a collective death ritual the war the the wars are death rituals for for wo um and and because beating him you think is it like an energetic exchange for this real being that's

giving them something well this is the this is another point interesting question um because of the um the Distortion the inversion the chaotic Nature of this wio Consciousness which is why it expresses itself as it does um it cannot um connect in to the energy sources the energy susten is that um balanced harmonious conscious can um so it has to create a source of um energy empowerment energetic empowerment that is operating within the frequency band that it is so through that connection it can vampire that energy and absorb that Energy so if you are in

a state of love and um joy and all these High vibrational states that energy cannot be absorbed by witika because it's way off its frequency band yeah never the twain shall meet yeah so what it has what it's done which is really uh symbolized in The Matrix movies by the Morpheus character holding up the battery and saying the machines have turned us into one of these you know and and you you see in the Matrix movie you had the Symbolism of the the machines um getting their energy from from the energy given off by babies

Etc um whenever um we think whenever we feel we're generating a um a frequency that relates to what what we're giving off our emotions our thoughts uh and therefore we are generating collectively I mean 8 billion people enormous amounts of energy second by second by second and to empower itself whato has to manipulate not least through its Expressions you Gates and All these oh it's like that monster Inc movie remember that cartoon where they're scaring all those little kids I have I've actually used that example mate in the books over the years and in the

talks I watched that movie because I'd already by that time uh realized that there this force was feeding off human energy um particularly human emotion actually um and I watched that and I went oh yell especially especially when The lead character was a green a green monster with one eye right allseen guy hello it's right in your face that was so symbolic it was Disney movie of course which you won't be surprised of course um where the monsters people haven't seen it um they they live in a Monster World this is the this is this

is the this other dimension right and they have they have no source of energy right so the power station I know you know this I'm saying this for people That may not have seen it because quite a time ago now um the power station in the Monster World um has no power so because they have no power source so what they do is is they they walk through these symbolic doors in the power station and on the other side of the door the other side of the the the dimension they enter the bedrooms of children

and they frighten them because they're monsters creepy and they catch fear um in a in a in a kind of a Receptacle and they take it back to empower the Monster World and and you're absolutely right when I watched that I thought this is ridiculous symbolism if you know what what's actually happening uh and this is this is what they're doing so again we come back to what I was talking about earlier the more that they can um manipulate human perception and human emotion into fear into anxiety into depression into all these low Vibrational emotions

the more energy we're generating to empower them which is another reason when I talked about that you know that circuit that wio fighting witho when wio fights witho one's fascist one's anti-fascist uh you're both generating energy to empower wio this is why you know we we've got to come from a a an open heart um uh level of reaction to this and a calm calm level uh so that we can bring this down without empowering That which we're trying to um uh challenge uh and and you know there is no need to get uh into

a state of of of of violence into a state of of hatred because all you're doing is empowering that which you you want to uh undermine to bring it down you just immovably say no and don't cooperate with it and then it can't it can't operate and Also if you if you're coming from um a sense of self-identity that the eye is consciousness infinite Awareness on an infinite journey of experiencing all possibility uh forever then you put the Human Experience into context it's a brief Human Experience and for all of us it's going to end

at some point and I I'm you know I mean who wants to stay here forever Right when there's forever to explore um and therefore for instance I I concluded 30 years years ago when this thing started happen to me I thought I I realized then that we were Consciousness and eternal and I thought well I I don't know where this is going but I'm going to go with it because the worst thing that can happen is that I just bugger up a um a human life a human experience I mean you know Okay I can

deal with that so I I kind of went for it and uh if you perceive the human life to be it to either be it and all there is uh or you are going to be judged by some judgmental God at the end of it then um you put yourself in a in a in a in a perceptual prison not least in the sense that you fear death you fear death now if you fear death um you are going to try to extend your life as much as you Can and you if you think that

doing what you know to be right might lead to your life being ciled for instance then you're very very likely not to do what you know to be right you're going to be intimidated by those that threaten you you know if you do this we'll kill you and my reaction to that is well bloody kill me then because I'm still not doing it right because I I you know I'm infinite awareness you ever been worried about that you ever thought they were Going to come before no no no no never because there are other forces

that work actually um if you connect with them yeah mean they can't do that anyway right that's this is the Fantastic Thing Once you open up to to higher levels of consciousness and anyone could do it I could say it's a choice then you tap in to levels of awareness that make sure you're okay something I find really interesting sorry to cut you off go go ahead Something something I find really interesting like for example um in yoga or meditation there is what they call the Kundalini experience where this symbolic energetic serpent goes up your

spine and gives you transforms you into uh you know gives you some kind of realization or some kind of psychic Clarity that you aren't able to see in your normal state of awareness I find the same thing in iasa ceremonies the the the IAS scaros and the shamanic Traditions talk about this vision of a serpent comes to you you it eats you and then you are now entered the world of knowledge and I find this a very interesting uh to what you used to talk about with The Reptilian stuff do you find any connection with

the like Kundalini the iwasa serpent or you know just the symbolism that's undeniably found everywhere in connection with you know spiritual Traditions do you find that there's any uh any relationship to That well again I I come back to Consciousness um when people talk about reptilian um it's an outer form yeah Consciousness decides how it behaves and what it is you know all reptilians they're horrible well some of them are but a lot of them won't be you know what I mean w okay it's it's it's seeing that your State of Consciousness I mean you

know look at humans that humans are operating through the same form and their range of Behavior is absolutely fantastic because their range of perception is fantastic well on one level anyway but that's interesting you should say that because I had a cond delini experience that's what's that's what threw me into this um uh in in Ju Just very quickly I tell you the story very quickly um in 1989 when I was still working as a sports present for the BBC and um I was a national spokesman of the British green party uh I felt that

when I was in a room Alone I wasn't alone there was some Force there that and i' never come across it before and this went on through 1989 it got more and more tangible until in the um the march of 1990 um series of things happened to me and I ended up with this uh visiting this psychic and I I visited the psychic I never seen a psychic before um because I wanted to see if she would pick up what the heck I was feeling around me Because through 1989 and into 1990 this this this

presence when I was alone in a room that I wasn't alone was was getting more and more powerful so anyway um I go along to see this psych I don't tell her any of this stuff and um she picks up um this communication and I you know when I saw her um I'm a national spokesman for the green party and I'm I'm a sports presenter for the BBC I'm just getting with me live and she said that this uh Um this Consciousness that she was connecting with and and I knew there was Consciousness in the

room because or or some other force in the room because of other things that that happened in the room before this she picked this up and she said um they're telling me that you're going to go out in a world stage and reveal great secrets wow that one man cannot change the world but one man can communicate the message that can Change the world and that um from now on you're going to be led to knowledge and at other times knowledge will be put Direct ly into your mind and that's when this sequence started with

you know the puzzle pieces straight afterwards I mean no no no no Gap back and speak with her started immediately say again did you ever go back and speak with her like in now in retrospect that your life is sort of she no longer with us now she died a few years ago but but um uh and I only Saw her about I saw about three or four times in that very short okay period um and so through 1990 I um I was going on this strange sequence and and what happened is very soon after

I saw her the BBC ended my contract now I was the youngest person in the sports Department as a presenter by a mile I should have had a long career and um you know I had many letters of commodation for my work so There was no reason to to not renew my contract um but they did and again these these things happen you see and and by doing that and because I I lived like I do now a very um you know lowlevel lifestyle I don't um don't live a a big house lifestyle or anything

like that I had some money that allowed me to get through 1990 um without working um I mean do your real work but it did and and it meant that I could give this full time Yeah that's awesome attention and I ended up uh in 1991 the turn of 1991 um in the the weeks before um you mentioned it already Peru um started coming into my uh my awareness um and uh like I I'd walked down the road I'd look in a travel agent and I'd see a poster for holidays in Peru I'd turn on

the television and there'd be a program about Peru and you know I've never really thought about Peru before so Anyway long story short I get on a plane to Peru not knowing why I'm going just this this urge I need to go to Peru and I I go to Peru and I go around Peru um I've found this um this this native guide um and uh we went around various places um matchu pitu Etc and I had some extraordinary experiences and and we ended up at this um place called um called kusco right on the

lake Dy car and he booked us into this hotel called the seani hotel I've been back There since it's still there and I um I saw that this seani was named after an incor site quite a short distance away not close but short distance away um and there were pictures of this incor site all over this hotel for obvious reasons and I'm looking at one of the pictures this night I'm only staying there one night uh or two nights and uh it's um it kind of spoke to me said come to me you know come

to me um you need you need to Come to me and I have this feeling I've got got to go here I've got to go here got to go here so the next day uh uh we because it was out season we um I had to hire this this kind of bus taxi thing to take us out there and um I went out and it was a beautiful place um there was a hill and there was a a lake and there was distant mountains and stuff and I walked around it and all these incor um

remains and it was beautiful but when I went back to the bus about an hour later The bus taxi thing um I was disappointed because the urge I had to to go there did was not matched by The Experience lovely as it was so I got in back in the in the bus and I'm a bit disappointed um and and the I've got the the bus the driver the guide driver and I've got the the guide who's with me just the three of us so I'm uh I'm sitting like this looking out the out the

window as we we drive away from C St daydreaming I daydream all the time Daydream my way from school completely and and I I saw this this hill um and I'm looking at it and all I can hear in my mind uh is come to me come to me come to me come to me so I said I said to the driver can you just stop a minute I'm going I want to go up that hill and uh so I walk up the hill I said only be a few minutes well I was about an

hour and eventually the guide comes up and stands next to you know away from me because he's saying where the hell is This Englishman gone he was coming back in a few minutes and anyway um I I get up there and there's there's there's Stones up there and stuff like that and I W I walk in the middle of them and I felt this like drill going in the top of me head and another um energy flow coming the other way two-way flow and uh you know all this is new to me at the time

and um and then my arms went out at 45 degrees like that without me making any conscious decision to do It and um I'm standing under a a a a clear blue cloudless Peruvian sky on a very hot day even in you know what was our winter time but it was a very hot day uh and um and then I heard this thought go through my head they will be talking about this 100 years from now and then it will be over when you feel the rain and I'm thinking talking about what 100 years from

now and what bloody rain You know so anyway this uh this Energy starts to build and build and build and build and you know my feet are stuck to the ground and uh very eventually I'm shaking because this this is getting more more powerful it lasted probably about 45 minutes I guess time disappeared there was no time in this period and you know you know when you drive a car sometimes and um you you you lose a few miles or something and and you think oh well you know you don't Remember the last two miles

or something well your subconscious has been driving the bloody car because you've been daydreaming away some well it was a bit like that I would I would go out of this conscious mind level and going to another level and then I'd come back to conscious mind and it kept going like that through this period and one of the times I came back to conscious mind uh I saw that over the distant mountains there was a a light gray Mist and I thought it's raining over those mountains quite a way away um and then it got

darker and darker I think it's bloody raining over those mountains you know and and over this period And it w w very long the whole thing lasted only about 45 minutes like I say this enormous rainstorm came out of um the mountains towards me and if you if you put it in a movie they'd say that is absolutely ridiculous mate that would never happen because what Happened a wall of rain came towards me you know they talk about uh weather fronts this was basically a straight line of stair Rod rain extraordinary uh amount of rain

and it was coming towards me out of these mountains and it came across the land and it came towards me by the by the time it it's it's there I'm I'm shaking like crazy because this energy is really going through me and um and then the rain hit me I was I was absolutely Soden in an instant there was So much rain uh and at that point the the energy flow started and I I staggered forward you know my legs were like jelly and um things changed after that um uh I went into a period

um of about three month I came back to um to England um and I I kind of held it together until I got back to England uh but but then I went into a period of about three months when if you'd have asked me my name I I would Have had to uh look it up wow because um it was like uh you're living in a bubble and you're not affected by what's outside the bubble and then someone comes along and bursts the bubble and suddenly all that pours in and my mind became uh deluged

with Concepts information awareness which was like pressing too many keys on a computer too fast the computer freezes well I froze basically three months um and in that period um I got enormous Ridicule I went on a talk show and all stuff but then after the months the the computer unfroze and at that point this is 1991 now early 1991 um I could see the world in a completely different way um and people would come up to me and they'd say I thought you'd got mad Dave you seem like the same blo I always knew

and on the F surface I was because David came back But I wasn't the same bloke I I I was seeing seeing things I couldn't see before I was seeing connections I couldn't see before uh and and that's when it really kicked off um into the process that's led to me sitting here now do you think those three months you were just receiving downloads so it's like a computer's downloading it can't really do anything else but get that download massive massively so yeah yeah massively so I've Had other download periods as well and it's like

you not necessarily instantly exactly yep soon afterwards maybe even a little more than soon afterwards suddenly great Revelations appear to you it's like the that that that was said through that psychic um he's he will be led to knowledge and at other times will put knowledge in his mind and that's an interesting point because when I first started out um in the early 90s I would come across information and I would Conclude what it meant what it meant the situation was but pretty soon you know maybe 18 months two years in that there was a

switch took place which has gone on to present day whereby I get what's going on first and then the information names dates places information follows to support the um the if you like int intuitive um level of I think this is what's going on yeah believing what's real and what's not and Jud it for yourself right Exactly and and what what the challenge is um for people um is when you have these experiences and you you get these um you get this awareness you get this information uh the question then is are you going to

circulate it yeah because people said to me when you started talking about this you know this stuff I've been talking about over the years didn't you think didn't you know that people would ridicule you and I Thought well F enough I'd work that out but you do it anyway this is the thing this is why you know knowledge is not power the use of knowledge is power um so the question is are you going to communicate it knowing the absolute crap you're going to get thrown at you uh and and my answer was yes I

am because like I said I came to this conclusion the worst thing I can do here is to is to is to you know mess up one brief Human Experience in the forever so I can I can Handle that so I'm going with it uh and I didn't know where it was going um you know it's it's like life is is like going down a river you know you you basically see the next turn on the river and you don't know what's behind it what's around it VI an expanded level of you that sees the

whole River from source to Sea yeah and that's what's guiding you bird I you so so you know I've used this analogy before you know you you you're paddling Down the river and um you um you have an idea I want to get to so and so before nightfall and you spring a leak and you you paddle across to the shore and you're you're you're well pissed off and and you're you're curing your bad luck and and and um feeling sorry for yourself uh and then someone comes along and says bloody hell mate you were

lucky what do you mean I'm lucky I've sprung a Bloody leak is you know what's behind you know what's around that next turn it's a bloody Ravine it's a big big waterfall good job you stopped so that there's another level that no knows that's there another level of you knows that's there and it's guiding you if you listen to it and so if you get pulled into the five senses you lose touch with that and so what becomes your guide the information you receive through the five senses Which is controlled by the cult that that's

that's why they want to disconnect us from that higher expanded level out s and they really do it with everything uh I know you've mentioned Bill Gates a few times but I feel like even science you know how you're saying like oh like I'm just one little person I can't do anything they've tried making this whole experience at like science is like oh this Earth is just randomly here in a universe and it means nothing and It'll disappear they've like taken the magic out of everything I feel like yeah but you know they want to

isolate us not just in the five senses but in every way possible so they want to isolate us from anything that's out there and one way of doing it is to convince you there is no out there right exactly um you're just a cosmic accident you exist for a few seconds or 100 years and then you disappear into Oblivion again and is That because it's not measurable or is it because they know and they just want to take that that that Eternal aspect that true the Eternal aspect of who we are they want to ex

extract that from us or do you think they just don't have the uh Machinery or technology to to measure the quality it it's 100% that they want take it from it because we come back to what I said a few minutes ago look at two ways of living your life you think you're a Cosmic accident and when the lights go out that's it or you know that this is just a brief Human Experience and you live forever and explore forever forever now the the the the the one is a manipulator's dream right one is a

manipulator nightmare so that's why they want to stop us realizing that um we are Eternal infinite expressions of Consciousness ultimately without form we just a state of awareness state of being aware um and Considering our uh our experiences and our um what level we connected to dictates how aware or unaware we are and because our our experiences are unique we are a unique point of attention within an infinite uh flow Consciousness uh and and so when you're coming from that point of view you can't be intimidated that there's nothing they can throw at you that

will intimidate You because you know there's nothing to fear nothing to fear their worst nightmare but when you um you are locked away in believing that you know your three score years and 10 is all you are um then and you fear death because you don't know what it means you fear the unknown death is an expression of fearing the unknown then that that creates a very different life and a very different uh perception which is much more easy to intimidate and like I say doctors get their power from the fear of death that's what

that is where it comes from right doctor make my life longer um whereas when you when you're absolutely at peace with death because you know there is no death the body has a cycle we have eternity then um those those things do not impact upon you they don't intimidate you they don't persuade you to give your power away to others Anymore um so it's a completely different perceptual State therefore a completely different uh deal for this cult to deal with that's why they don't want us to know that we are we are we are more

than our five sense labels they don't want us to know that you guys have both brought up psychedelics iasa but psychedelics in general if you think about it like look what is censored okay now talking to you finally you know of I can't like can't They make you like demonized like how can you cancel somebody that's just saying all all we have to do is say no and it's like are psychedelics I took mushrooms and was like in love with my life and they're like this is against law but alcohol isn't it's like if you're

looking for the key it's normally the thing that's censored so yeah like just talking to you about this it's so crazy to think like this is what like you're such a peaceful loving message You're not saying anything like hateful or yeah you're not saying we need to go put politicians on Stakes yeah but meanwhile they're like we have I I Google your name barely anything comes up it's like all like disinformation like he's at gatekeeper dis it's like then you Duck Duck Go your name and it's like way it's way better you know what I

mean it's so crazy how much control they have and don't you feel like you're a big Force if they're really trying to Stop you like this yeah well you see um there are forces at work which means they can't stop me I love that what what they can do is um manipulate the perception of me right to other people I mean that's the thing manipulation what what you what you learn very early on um if you tap into any level of Consciousness is um it doesn't matter what people think of you it doesn't matter because

I think something else tomorrow I mean I you Know people who were I mean I went through the most amazing historic levels of ridicule and abuse in the early absolutely and um and people talk about being offended but being offended is a choice there all all these things are choices you can choose not to be offended um and so I chose not to be offended uh my view is and was that people have a a right to their view of me if that's what they Want but I have a right to the view of me

and uh the view of the information that I'm uh freedom of speech and I'm going to bloody communicate it and you can abuse me as much as you like I'm still going to do it it's it it was my version actually when you think about it of saying no no you're not going to intimidate me no you're not going to shut me up and and in the end you wear them out I mean I I so what's happened it's kind of funny really over the last 31 years since this started for me people have come

um at different points and try to undermine me and try to rubbish me and try to you know discredit me yeah and then but I've gone boom boom boom boom I've simply okay we so you like me boom boom and I've just kept moving and then they they disappear never to be seen again and thenit another group come up or another blo will come up and they have to try to do the same Bo boom boom and it disappears And now you've got this this lot I I I I have to laugh I mean I

you're you're a gatekeeper I bloody love this well hold on a second um I've been for 30 years exposing these people and saying what's happening now is going to happen uh do you think they wanted me to do that I mean absolutely honestly I mean what what do you want if you're a secret Network you want to keep secret what you're doing you don't want some guy uh uh saying this is what what What's going on and I there's one thing that's absolute classic um I I mean I don't look at this stuff but people

send me things um I I I don't I literally don't look at this stuff because it's it's all it just ience but um some people are using a picture of me in a Freemason chair God as as um confirmation Freemason and I'm wearing like a regular street jacket you know and and this is Is the story um I was speaking in Boston oh this is way back now and um Boston's a big freemasonic Center and what what I was um really focusing on at that time was symbolism so I'm talking to some people who were

involved in the talking Boston and they said oh there's lots of symbols at the uh on the freem Masonic headquarters in Boston right and I thought well that's got to be a serious headquarters if it's Boston because it's all kind of historic you know the the The whole Freemasonry thing out of Boston and the the tea Pary Sonic you know anyway um so we we walk and I'm looking at some of the symbols on on the outside and the doors open in this in this Freon place in Boston and it was a kind of glass

door as I recall and it's open so we walk in and we look around it's kind of big open Hall when you walk in and over to the left was like a seemed to be like a reception desk was nobody there so I thought W keep bloody Walking then so we kept walking and there was all these glass cabinets on the on the right hand side of this big O entrance all thing and all these different things inside and there was something about Walt Disney in one of them I remember that very clearly the mle

society you know you know the mle society that Jack mle society that were um Clinton was a member of yeah Disney was connected to that it seems from what I saw in the Thing so we keep walking and at the end of this hall there's this stairway this you know it's all kind of grand it's going up there's still nobody there right so we walk up the bloody stairs still nobody there it's bizarre it's like the Mery Celeste um and so we then walk around the only person we met the entire period we were in

there was a bloke who wasn't freem he was a builder well he might have been a Freemason but he didn't dress like a Freemason dress Like a bloody Builder uh who was doing some building work so we we walk in uh down this Corridor and then we walk through this door and there's one of these big temp temples and there's the twin pillars and all that stuff and um there was there was the was the worship Master chair so I thought this is hilarious sit in it yeah I'm GNA I gave it that and someone

took a picture I used it in my talks for about two or Three years always got a laugh um and uh and now it's now they're saying look this is proof that he a free Mas there another one I I loved it there was um there's I think they still might be using that one there's a a group of Freemasons and and I'm one of them right um because it's got my head on photoshopped oh nice the funny thing was I'm I'm I'm about six foot and the guy next to me in the line had

to be 6' seven or nine uh eight or nine be real If I was 64 and then eventually eventually um someone was you know casting around the internet and they found the original picture and of course it me it was someone else they first shot my my head on it so uh you know if you this is the point if you can't um debate someone and they refuse to debate me I mean the mainam media won't touch me um they fact they've been told not to touch me by the government um they do the opposite

yeah um they Won't debate me because they know that they're going to be in trouble if they do because all the information I've got together so what they do is try to discredit you and you know that there are people in the alternative media who think they're in the alternative media some of which will be there to do this and consciously do it but a lot of them are just people that just believe anything without a question and um and and so you get this crap but but it's Not new to me you see this

is the whole thing it's um it's very old you're a black belt in this game you've been in it for like 30 years you're saying 1990 that's when I was born and you're like you know what I mean like my God yes that's amazing though yeah but you know what what you do you you it doesn't matter what people say about you don't get caught in that just keep speaking your truth and and literally those with ears will will hear you know don't try To persuade people just put the information out and and let them

come to their own conclusions because it's no good saying You must believe what I say and then talk about you know freedom of choice that they have the choice and they might make choices you don't agree with but they have the right to make that choice because that's what freedom is freedom is is is people doing things that you actually don't like but having the freedom to do it with freedom to Have an opinion that you don't agree with that's actually what freedom is um and so you know just chill and put the information out

and those who will hear it or are ready to hear it will hear it and today there are more people ready to hear it than ever before it's phenomenal compared with what it's been in the past I think that's a beautiful note for us to end on it must be getting pretty late over in England right it must be Dinner time over there stting getting a bit dark the nights are drawing in as I'm very very happy that you came you know the restrictions of of covid get closer because it's all part of the plan

to and that's how that we super get divided because you have this vaccine an vaccine smash going super unfortunate yeah yeah it's a weird time to be a human yeah for sure exciting interesting time absolutely time I mean I mean we could be Bankers couldn't we I mean we Could be and be a bank tell never never know one time I snuck into Bohemian Grove you did I did twice actually I mean there was no one there when I went there it was kind of like your Freemason thing it was just kind of a campground

yeah there right to like there was like these little Obelisk maybe like five feet tall with owls on top of them there's the giant owl over past the campground with the little pond in front of it yeah it was really interesting all The different Campground names have like uh little demons dancing on them and owls everywhere I mean hundreds of owl statues all over the ground very I mean you've only got to say when when you see the the footage from Bohemian Grove the the opening rual what they call oh man The Cremation of care

yes these are the people running our world Rees dude they're lunatics how bizarre and they say it's just a bunch of sticks it's like hey I'm not there to verify that That's just sticks right Psychopaths yeah exactly well anyway David I really appreciate you and all the work you've done in your life and I'm very honored to have you a part of my podcast and to uh be a part of your journey and uh I would love to do it again one day yeah okay and yeah it was very nice to meet you on here

yeah yeah sorry you this is just like a checklist you know off my bucket list it's an honor to meet you man it really is it's A pleasure it's been a great great chat actually we've gone into some very interesting areas oh I I have still have a list of questions so we'll have to do it again for sure but uh is there anything you want to uh you know promote your book or any anywhere that you want people to head over to and check out well um the the main Hub is David i.com and

uh we have uh this media platform now called iconic which is like an alternative Netflix which is is my put Together by my son nothing to do with me actually um and I mean I I do shows for it I do a doc connect the news show every uh every Saturday uh morning which uh I look at the context of the news rather than just what's happening why it's happening um but uh you know my son's created it it's an amazing platform now and I'm doing a live stream uh on November the 6th starts at

11:00 a.m. in the morning UK time U for six hours Where it's called um where from here I'm going to go into real deep levels of current events and that'll just be on david.com yeah into this whole area that we a lot of the areas that we've talked about about wo and what is wo what how's it how's it work I'm going into that as well as the name States place and stuff um and uh perceptions of a renegade mind has just arrived in the United States and North America so that that can be shipped

from North America you get it in A couple of days the reason uh the book came out in Britain in July and it's just arrived in America is this shipping crisis this shipping container crisis and and I can tell you from experience the cost of moving things now is going through the bloody roof and when that plays out as inflation it's going to be very challenging for a lot of people all planned all part of it already is right yeah all right David you're the man I'm I'm yeah I'm stoked for this so thank Thank

you again and yeah hope you have a good day take care nice me brother talk to you again see [Music] you okay well there it is wow go David Ike did I have so many questions still I know he's a professional man when he gets going you know that was insane another one yeah that I'm stoked I have so many questions like I didn't even get past like the first three I don't think no and then It's just like make them up as you go like the ones I wrote are out the window at that

point you know and the the funny thing is it's like I mean it's David Ike he's you can't just be like hey like you know great yeah no absolutely man I I really like where that went you know it could have went a few different ways but the fact that we went like it really took a spiritual path I'm glad perfect perfect for the podcast anything else you want to say I'm going to go grab Some lunch uh I'm going to post the other podcast we did part two today and then uh so that'll be

uh I don't have a YouTube link YouTube doesn't let you do that though but I will post you're the new channel so it's just like crazy numbers right now right exactly exactly but I'll post it some it'll be posted on Davey's YouTube if you want to see a podcast with just me and Davey uh the link will be in the description he's it'll be his first podcast episode so go Over there and show it some love and um maybe we'll try to get David Ike over there too and um yeah you be putting this up

today I'm gonna try to get it up today one o'clock here I I can probably get it up by 6 PM that sevene time yeah it out yeah I'll I'll uh finish uploading that one and then yeah all right brother I love you man love youo I'll see you soon okay talk to you later bye everyone peace peace hey guys thanks for listening to a place for humans Podcast again this is Dakota wi and please make sure to go over to Apple podcast leave a positive review make sure to subscribe over on YouTube Dakota of

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