A goal you can be like I a make that goal or I did it Chad but the dream won't let you rest even when you manifest it and it comes it still is persistent there's more to do until we are called home the dream is just it lives inside of us Emmy awardwinning actress CEO of several major product lines and New York Times bestselling author please welcome the amazing Tabitha Brown the very thing that I used To cover about myself it's the thing people love about me the most now wow I believed what I was
sold somebody sold me a lie and I bought it but now honey I returned it and got all my money back that's so when you are pretending to be someone else God can't bless who you're not o if I am pretending to be somebody else what are these blessings that I'm getting those aren't mine that's something I created freedom and being true to who you are is the best gift you Can give to yourself I wasn't ready for everything I was going to gain I also wasn't ready for everything I was going to lose what
did you lose friendships relationships when I started walking in my Freedom they started to disappear wow but God revealed to me he said everybody's not ready to walk in their freedom so being close to you while you're in yours is disturbing their Spirit oh what do you think is the true key to attracting and manifesting Exactly what is Meant For Us in life I think welcome back everyone to the school of greatness very excited about our guest we have the inspiring talum Brown in the house so good to see you very good thank you welcome
to the show uh it's been amazing to watch your your journey specifically over the last five years just kind of expand and explode in a positive powerful way and we were just talking off camera about how when you fully stepped into who you authentically Were that's when everything started to expand yeah and you started to attract the right things for your life you started to magnify your audience and Community you started to expand financially relationally with positive abundance and I think it's really cool that this all happened for you and I'm curious your new book
it's called I did a new thing 30 days to living free I'm curious what was the thing that set you free to create more abundance in your Life in a positive way oh I think the thing that Set Me Free um you know my story I was sick right for quite some time about a year and seven months and I really thought in that dark season cuz you know I seeing doctors can tell me what was wrong with me they um were doing all you know running tests all the time and giving me guinea pig
medication is what I would call it because they can diagnose you but try this and see if you feel better right you fall into this Depression which I did because it's like I know something's not right with my body I know I don't feel normal um and they can't tell me anything right and I thought God had forgotten about me and so I think when I got to that lowest point I was like you know I'm from North Carolina I grew up in the church and I used to be this this person and I still
am who was um excited to be a woman of Faith right and I was like here I am really thinking like I have all this Faith but I feel like God has has left me really and so I was like okay Lord this time because what I also realized was I was habitually praying and that means I was just praying out of habit but I wasn't really meaning or believing what I was saying can you give me an example you know how you grow up and it's like just for example like God is great God
is good let us thank him for this food right you taught that as a kid on how to pray for your food that's a Habit that we pick up it wasn't an intention it wasn't intentional feeling it like even even though I was praying God please help me to feel better God please heal me like I was just saying because it's like oh this is what we do at church so I realized like oh wait I need to unlearn how to Habit pray and I really need to seek Him truly and let him have me
wow right what's the difference between habitual prayer and seeking God in faith and allowing him to Be inside of you uh the difference is habitually you're taught I was taught how to pray that way I was taught how to to be a person of faith I was taught how to go to church how to worship but when I say God I'm a strip me clean my prayer was God if you heal me you can have me wow that meant I'm not going to do it my way anymore and how I was taught I'm going to
do it the way you created me to do it that mean I'm going allow you to deposit inside of me like only you can Nobody else will get this credit or the glory for it right and so that's what got me free I started taking layers off and when I prayed that prayer I was in my b bathroom I remember and my prayer was God if you heal me you can have me something changed that day I can't explain it I just felt different I wasn't healed in the moment but when I left the bathroom
I felt different and from that day I've just been taking layers off ever since and allowing Myself to be who God has called me to be wow so yeah do you feel like you were sick physically and depressed emotionally or mentally because you were out of alignment with who you were meant to be absolutely I definitely think that plays a huge huge role in it I think that I also have a gift right so we all have gifts I was born with the gift to where I can dream things that come to pass I see
things I can hear things um and I remember a time where I tried to Pray that away because it was scary you know growing up that way and you know people think you crazy because you can dream something and tell them and then it happens or you see something and you tell tell them it wasn't a fun gift to have as a kid or as a young adult right but I remember I went like a good felt like about six years where I prayed like God I don't want this anymore and when I didn't have
it as often it felt like I was missing a part of wow right but what I realized is when I would have a dream and I'm supposed to give a message to somebody if I didn't I would get wow I would not like I would get nauseous my head would spin I would have to lay down but the moment I got it out I'd be completely fine so you had a lot of PR monitory dreams or yeah like just it it's crazy like a vision or like a mage I Can Dream it while I'm asleep
or sometime while I'm awake like right now I'm looking at you and then something Could appear right beside you I cannot control it it just happens wow um but like a sometimes it's like a a movie screen like a little box and I can see something play out sometimes it's a actual just a vision just as clear as you sitting there you can sit right here wow and when you wouldn't speak it when I won't say like there's times when when God shows me something but it's not meant for me to say anything it's just
for me to be aware of to be aware when You feel like you're supposed to say it you don't oh I I I'm not well interesting yeah so I feel like because I wasn't living my Truth for so long I had created this Tabitha that I thought would win like I was was suffocating through me so I couldn't breathe wow and so the more and more layers I took off the better I got why did you feel like you needed to put a mask on for the either the industry you in or the relationships you
were in or whatever Might be I mean I I know from my personal experience I wore a mask to feel like I needed to fit in and feel safe for many years yeah I growing up playing sports and school and you know as a young adult I felt like I needed to protect myself with a mask why did you wear masks o for many reasons one you know I'm from North Carolina right from the south I grew up learning how to code switch and conform watching my mama right so we go to the bank and
if she Talking to you know the white lady that work at the bank but her voice is different I'm like oh wait is this how we talk interesting oh okay if my mom came to school and talked to teachers and you know all my teachers were white in my town it was only black and white there was no in between I didn't see like Hispanics or any that stuff until I grew up and became an adult she would change her voice so I learned very early oh this is how we have to talk to people
Who are not black I didn't know that that was code switching back then but it was like oh to be treated a certain way to be respected to be seen that's what we have to do and then growing up and working in Corporate America being told like on in a call center people hearing my voice say oh are you black I I don't want to speak to somebody black no way oh absolutely come on oh absolutely and so I would learn to mask it even more to to to to push it down even more And
then get into entertainment hearing oh you you sound country you going to have to learn to to cover that so it became like I'm doing it for you know just my normal school and and work I'm doing it for Corporate America now I'm doing it for entertainment and then it came to like oh you come to La I used to you know have my hair was all already natural but they were like but skin complexion straighter hair okay certain size sound neutral used to be the the The word I would always be given no accent
yeah no accent be as neutral no one wants should know where you're from and I believe that and so I created that Tabitha to get jobs right the one thing that my mom they name me Tabitha so my first job at wind Dixie I never forget I put in the application dropped it off and I got a call um and they were like oh we want to bring you in for interview I said okay great so I get there and the the assistant manager when I walked up Clearly thought I was white from my name
and how I sounded on the phone right so when she looked at me I was like I'm here for interview she was like did somebody call you for interview I was like yes ma'am um said her name and it was her she was like I'll be right back end up getting a job because the the actual store manager had came uh his name was David he was a older man who was great he was like I'll interview him and so he loved me and I worked there You know for a while but my name always
used to get me jobs crazy enough because people thought I was white they want no black T us around it like it's a b witch name it's name from be witch wow that's where my mama named me from so um it was it's it was conforming to survive my ancestors had to do it to survive right and it was passed down but we don't have to do that anymore I'm enough just as I am from Eden North Carolina honey the very thing that I used to Cover about myself it's the thing people love about me
the most now wow it's crazy but I didn't know I I believed what I was sold somebody sold me a lie and I bought it but now honey I returned it and got all my money back St with interest yeah do you feel like it was more challenging you know in North Carolina growing up trying to succeed or get opportunities or more challenging in Los Angeles Hollywood oh Definitely uh Los Angeles really oh yeah yeah in the South it's like you is the thing about the south is especially in North Carolina I love my my
you know North Carolina is the best place in where I mean I love it but it was always very clear it wasn't hidden you know exactly who who you talking to interesting right ain't no secret about it right so whether they liked you or not yeah it's clear yeah if if I want you around or not like it's very clear Out here is Hollywood honey they they hide the truth you don't know that they don't really fool with you until after the fact right or if you find it out in the email or you see
it in the trads or whatever you're like oh wait a minute you acted like we was cool but we really won't you didn't really like me you know so it's more hidden here people be out here acting they be wearing mask out you yeah but they say they want to do a project but then they don't talk to you Her right and you know what I don't even care about that like whatever is meant for me I I wholeheartedly in this season of my life I truly know what God has for me it is for
me and if it ain't it ain't absolutely yeah I was just saying this to my my fiance Martha recently actually I was like you know I was telling you she got excited she did a a great audition recently for something and she was really excited about the possibility I go you're going to get this if it's Meant for you and if it's an alignment with your truth and your future and if you don't get it it wasn't meant for you it w meant for you huh that's right and you don't need to be upset about
it or you know maybe you can have a little moment of like oh okay this idea of I wish I could have got it but you don't want to go through years of stress on something that's not meant for you that's right that's right listen when the thing is meant for you there is Nothing that will stop it like God is not even complicated he's not he's very clear we complicate things we're in our head too much yeah we're in our head too much we're overthinking it you know we you know we'll get an opportunity
and before the opportunity is ours we will play out every single thing holy God I do this and then I do this and we ain't even got it yet let's see if it works out for us first and then we can expand on it what do you think is the true key To attracting and manifesting exactly what is Meant For Us in life I think walking in your truth will do that right showing up exactly who you are uh allows the things that belong to you to come you know because when we create a a
different person as I did for myself right when you are pretending to be someone El God can't bless who you're not ooh he can only bless who you are right so wow right so if if I am pretending to be Somebody else what are these blessings that I'm getting those aren't mine that's something I created but when I just be me I can get everything he has for me and the interesting thing you see people who are blessed for being someone they're not they're usually depressed anxious stressed or It's never enough it's never good enough
because they still aren't good enough they're not being who they're meant to be they're always Chasing something new exactly yeah and that's almost a a greater challenge it's like you're being blessed but you don't feel enough right you have everything but you feel worthless or empty empty no peace no peace yeah honey that's the freedom and being true to who you are is the best gift you can give to yourself how can someone know what their truth is when they've been wearing a mask for so long oh honey we are all I feel like we
know our truth right um your truth is in Your silence when no one else is around right it's it's the things that you say to yourself it's the things that you do um like childhood memories before you were taught that you weren't enough and before you believed it right that's your truth sometimes we have to go back to our childlike thoughts because as children we're free we're born knowing what we're supposed to do we're but we're taught how to have fear we're taught no we're taught yes right We're taught how to speak all the things
but we're also influenced by our parents uh by our friends and peers and different things sometimes unintentionally it just naturally happens and you're influenc but what your truth is how you feel when you're alone uh the things that you used to uh enjoy doing as a kid that nobody had to tell you to do like that's your truth right that sometime that's also your passion and purpose we have to go back To that before we were T oh no you can't have that dream oh no you can't do that cuz you know they don't make
money you should do this X Y and Z you go back to what did you used to love to play when you were kids right did you love to play office did you love to play sports did you love to play you know did you take care of dolls and and treat them like you were a doctor like what was your thing that you did every day without hesitation until somebody told told you That that was just a game sometimes that's your purpose that's the thing that you were put here to do yeah before somebody
told you you couldn't and so you go back to that and then it's like oh that was my truth that I let somebody tell me was a lie but that belongs to me you know those are those are your feelings those are your your things that still matter for you but we have to tap back into it got to get back to that and when you Were in that bathroom having that conversation with god what was it again you said if you heal me you can have me if you heal me you can have me
that's powerful and you said when you left that something shifted inside of you yeah I felt lighter interesting I felt lighter and I just felt different you know it's it's hard to explain that but every day from that day it was just like something is happening I I have this thing sometimes where um I can walk Outside and the air will feel different on my skin and I know a shift is happening like I I I know it's coming I'm like oh something's about to happen it's a weird thing but I can feel it I
remember I used to work this job to work in a 95 in LA and we had a warehouse and then we had office space and so I would go because I was in uh charge of like shipping and coordinating so I would go to Warehouse sometime to take paperwork And then walk back to my office that was a very long hallway and this particular day I had felt the wind shift M and so when I had left the warehouse to come back down this long hallway I and I sometimes still do this but I remember
this day I would close my eyes and I wouldn't even care about where I was going I would just walk with my eyes closed this long hallway because it was just spit I could just Envision Whatever the shift was like God got something else for me that's coming and I remember a girl that was work she was coming out of the bathroom and so she was like standing in the hallway she was like Tabitha Tabitha your eyes closed and it started me she was like you were just walking with your eyes closed I was like
oh girl honey sometime honey I do that cuz I'm just seeing where he's taking me you know it's it's a it's a weird thing I I can't Even I can't explain like why I do some of the things I do it's also I feel like it's part of the gift absolutely you know but but after I left the bathroom that day it was about two or three weeks later I had this dream um and in the dream I I saw myself on a show right but the screen was small and I've told the story a
million times and when I woke up I was like okay Lord reveal that to me because during this time I'm not really auditioning I'm not doing any acting I Wouldn't do a standup I wouldn't do anything things that would land me on the show because I was not well and I had a conversation with God and he said um start doing videos and I was like I'm not doing no videos honey I'm an actress a broke actress but an actress nonetheless I'm not doing that I doing that what why would I do that and also
cuz you know as an actor then we were always told when I would go to acting classes the different things stay Away from social media they won't take you serious in Hollywood and I believed it okay and so the voice was clear start doing videos and I was like Lord I don't want to do videos and he was like listen when you were out doing standup you were trying to get a TV show and them little you know Open Mic nights you getting 15 30 people to see you a night you start doing videos you
reach thousands in minutes and I was like that's where I got you cuz I ain't got thousands of Followers to reach in minutes the voice again start doing videos so I was like I don't want to do that so then he reminded me he said remember in the bathroom you said if I heal you I can have you o and I said you want to be healed or or not I was like oh he caught me on a bad day that day but I did say that did I really say that I say that you
know I was I was having a bir day that day but that's the only reason I started doing videos wow right CU you Heard the voice it said start doing videos and you didn't have a all that stuff no I had you know my Facebook I had a my regular Facebook family for you know 3 to 5,000 people whatever your thing is on Facebook um I might have had like I don't know 1,300 followers or something on my Facebook actor page small small oh smallest you can get it in you know probably the same on
Instagram and I was like well I even got thousands of followers to to watch me Thousands of minutes what are you talking about and I was like okay but I also was trying to live a life of of obedience mhm so I was like okay I got to start doing these videos and then I was like Lord what am I gonna do a video about so when I first started doing the videos I was telling jokes and tell the stories of you know being a mama and a wife same stuff I used to kind of
tell on stage and during that time uh those same you know few weeks my daughter had Came home and told me about the documentary to watch that she watched at school what the hell cuz she knew I was sick uhuh we watched it as a family and I decided to do a 30-day vegan Challenge and uh after the 30 days I was like oh this is I was feeling better 10 days the first 10 days i' had a headache for a year and seven months in the back of my head every day wow every day
I was I would fall when I would walk I lost my vision for a day I my body was just Attacking itself first 10 days my headache disappeared after every drug I was getting shots in my head in my I was getting everything they offered me if anything was probably making me worse nothing worked 10 days of eating plants headache de appeared and so I told my husband I was like I think this is going to be my life I think I'm going to go vegan and the moment I said that out of my mouth
on that day 30 I was like I'm not going to go back I think I'm going To be vegan the same boy said told me to start doing videos like a hummingbird would fly by your ear that's how I can explain it it that's how it sounds I like now tell people what you're eating in your videos wow and I said oh Lord I don't know if I want to do that cuz that makes it kind of permanent like I'm from North Carolina I'm not doing a challenge I'm right I'm doing for real just my
life I'm G be vegan and I never wanted people to feel Like I was trying to shame anybody or anything and I was just like I don't know I had also shaved off all my hair at the time cuz my hair was always long and straight so I was just doing a whole new you know transformation and so I was like okay I just start telling people y'all I'm going vegan and when I find food items I'mma share it with y'all I'm G cook some recipes and share when I find you know good vegan food
and that's how it started and nobody was Watching I was like it's 33 people on here Lord while I'm cooking live you said thousands in minutes where are they I would I would cry because I'd be like I don't know why God has me doing this I don't know what I'm doing and you know that was August of 2017 and I think by October I started um I was feeling so much better I started driving to Uber because I didn't go back to work I've been on disability for over a year and so I told
my husband I was Like mm I was like I don't want to go back to a 95 I'm going just see what God got out here for me I'm in La I'm going Drive Uber probably pick up a producer or director they going to love me I call you from set that's how I think I'm like I'm about to get discovered in my car out here in La um and December 30th of 2017 I dropped somebody off bu Whole Foods driving Uber that morning went in there and got me a um breakfast sandwich because I
was still you know vegan new To being vegan but Whole Food's always got a vegan options so I was like oh I'm going go here and get me breakfast had never heard of vegan bacon at that time they had a s sandwich in they uh you know the prepared food section and it was called uh tlta and it was like tempy bacon and lettuce tomato avocado I was like oh I ain't never heard of that throw me a little pickle on there honey little onion and stuff ate the first half so Fast I was like
oh wait I need to do a video to tell people I found a new Beacon option sat in my car cuz I was on my Uber break did a video posted it went on back to driving Uber by the time I got home that video had like 50,000 views I was like Wow who watching this video next morning over 100 something thousand I was like I told my husband I said I think I'm going viral he was like what that mean I was like I don't know watching though exactly he was like You gonna make
any money I was like I have no idea four days later Whole Foods reached out and they were like we saw your video on Facebook they dm' me and they were like we love to work with you and I became their brand ambassador for plant-based living did over 15 campaigns and the rest is history yep honey ain't drove Uber since but I will if I have to but I I haven't and my life has been on this journey that's amazing so December 2017 December 30th of 2017 and you started making videos a couple months prior
August M wow yep isn't it interesting What if after like a month of of doing these videos you just said you know what this isn't working I'm not getting thousands of views right away so I'm going to stop yeah where do you think your life would be if you stopped after a day before you post that video just said I don't want to do this anymore it's not working right away you know God said it would Happen right away it's not happening I'm going to to stop where do you think your life would be um
I probably be working you know still auditioning but I'd be working a 95 yeah I still be pursuing the dream of acting and the the thing about acting is and I and I told you this before that used to be my my only focus right I had put myself in this box where all I thought about was like oh I want to be series regular or you know of course I Would love to be you know the the lead in a film those were my big break ideas and God was like you can do that
you can do that to you can do that but let me show you what I can do wow this is what he can do this my fourth book but my third New York Times bestseller I never ever even had an idea to write a book wow right I have seasonings I have a hair care line I have a major uh partnership with Target I have my own food my own clothes My Own Furniture right I have all these things that I never never imagined and that's because God says it's more than what you can imagine
if you trust me and so I do wow this is inspiring this is inspiring yeah if someone is feeling maybe not like in a complete depression or completely sick or completely out of it but they just know there's something more for them maybe their relationships are aren't where They want them to be or maybe their career is just off a little bit or they just feel like I just don't feel like the fire inside of me is driving me to where I need to be you talk about 30 days to living free what's the first
few steps someone can take in starting to live free to get that alignment back inside of them yeah it's so funny because this is why I started this challenge right this is a challenge that I started in 2014 because I was trying To because what you're describing is feeling stuck right it's like you know there's something else but you don't know what it is we get in such a routine that we forget we have done anything outside of our routine for so long so I always say start with doing something new it can be as
simple as driving a different way to work or a different way to a friend's house whatever or walking a different way just so that your eyes can see something it has never seen Before something new that shifts the brain right um like even wearing something you normally don't wear like for me I always tell people if you wear black all the time throw some color on I throw some color on soon you know right like for me I don't like wearing black but I found this and I was like it got a little color on
it I'm doing a new thing right and so it's little things even trying a new food you know going to uh dinner or lunch by yourself you know how Many people are afraid to eat alone I know doing things that challenge you that will open up a new space inside of you that's what doing a new thing does for us and that's how we start to think oh okay and then going back to like what is your dream like what's the thing that won't let you rest and I and I talked about this recently because
people sometimes they get confused by a dream versus a goal goals are things that we create dreams are deposited inside of us Let's go we don't make them up they live there that's why we can't rest because they they're constantly nagging us or go you can be like I a make that go or I did it CH but the dream won't let you rest even when you even when you manifest it and it comes it still is persistent there's more to do until we are getting you know called home the dream is just it lives
inside of us yes it's it's born inside of USS so I always say do one small thing every day towards Your dream even if you're stuck in the nine to-5 job or in a relationship that you know or or um business whatever the case is that makes you feel like oh I don't have time to do something towards me right which we all are worthy doing something toward every day yes do one small thing whether it's reading something that can help open up you know an idea in your mind to help you get closer to
your dream uh whether it's watching a movie or a TV show or Listening to a podcast that can help inspire you or open up something in your mind something small every day one little thing there's a lot of people that feel like that want to be they want to achieve their dreams or be successful so quickly you know if they haven't Made It by 27 it's like they're a failure I don't know who put that time frame on us Lord but you you you know you started to really gain Traction in your late 30s early
40s right Yes what was the biggest lesson for you for I guess having success later in your 30s and early 40s versus in 20s what did you learn about yourself I learned that I was not ready when I thought I was I wouldn't had in to show for it right um um I needed to do as my dad would say keep on living I needed to do more living um before it came so that I could a know how to pray for it right because a lot of times I I used to pray pray pray
for all these things to happen oh God I want my dreams to come true and you know I'm fasting I'm praying on it but I was never praying God when I get it prepare me to keep it let's go this is the biggest challenge for a lot of people I I'm so glad you said this because early on I was probably 25 26 I remember being broke living on my sister's couch for a year and a half no money yeah and I had a mentor at the time that I was working for for free learning
from him and I was like man I'm Really struggling I could really use some money right now he said money comes to you when you're ready for it I was like I feel pretty ready you know I feel ready for this but he's like it'll come to you when you're ready for it otherwise if you get it to early you'll probably lose it Y and I think it's similar to like having a dream like if you're not prepared for success or prepared for the pressures that might come with it yeah you might cause you Might
sabotage it you might lose it you might squander it you might not be ready for all of the responsibility the weight that potentially could come with it right that's right so you don't feel like you would have been ready for it in your 20s or early 30s right oh absolutely not I wasn't ready for everything I was going to gain I also wasn't ready for everything I was going to lose what did you lose friendships relationships right um things that People that I thought I would have in my life forever and when I started walking
in my freedom they started to disappear wow but God revealed to me he said everybody's not ready to walk in their freedom so being close to you while you're in yours is disturbing their Spirit oh and I couldn't allow that to affect me in a way that I know it would have affected me in my 20s or early 30s oh my gosh but in this 45 I'm all right With it I love them but I understand 45 feeling alive right I feel alive y y wow so man I can resonate with that because you know
in my teens or my early 20s there were certain relationships that I had formed that made me feel good and safe right yep and I remember losing relationships almost every few years yeah and I would be really sad that I was losing these relationships that people want to call me back or they Didn't want to hang out anymore yeah but I also know that I was in such a pursuit of my mission and pursuing things that later I found out that some of my friends told me like it it scared them right because I was
pursuing certain things and they weren't pursuing the things they wanted yeah so I felt really hurt that they didn't want to hang out anymore but it also kind of Set Me Free to have more time for mentors or people that were wiser or older than me who I Can learn from and build relationships with them to give me counsel yes and to kind of guide me forward that's right and um that's the one of challenging things I think is leaving the friend tribe yeah when you want to bring people with you but they may not
be ready everybody Next Level they can't all go everybody can't go you know I feel like a lot of times we uh we feel bad because we're we especially when you love people I'm I love people me too I'm I'm a People lover if you're a loyal person all these things right you always want to turn around and bring them back and God uh revealed one day to me he said listen everyone who you need to bring along you don't have to turn around to get him he said cuz when you turn around that's when
you get distracted from you got to keep your eye forward the moment you do this you might have just crashed he said the people who are supposed to Come all you got to do is go like this you never got to turn around they right there they right there it's just like a hand off of baton you watch a a a marathon they never turning around to reach for it they just right here right so the ones who is supposed to come with you you don't have to turn around and go get them she been
married for 20 plus years right yep how has that worked with your Relationship and marriage you know with you and your husband have you did you have struggle when you started to step into your authentic self because you became a different person maybe you became the person you always were right was there ever challenges in your marriage or relationship as you started to thrive or was there alignment right away and just like everything was perfect oh honey listen my husband was so happy he was like finally the world Get to see who I know wow
yeah I mean for years he hated the industry of Hollywood cuz he saw how it changed me he would always say why you can't just be you he would I mean it would be all the time why you can't just be tabed that we know the same tab that that talk to your daddy and I like that ain't what they want I got to be this tab it those were the arguments and all the NOS I would get and all the hard work I would be studying and going to class and he Was like you
doing all of this and they still don't like you wow so hated the industry for a long time so when I became free and started walking in my freedom walk he was like now the world gets to see who I love and I was like you was kind of right about it I guess all along he was probably like that but no it it actually has made our relationship better and stronger that's great yeah I think Jim Carrey had a quote I'm gonna paraphrase It where he said like his father got fired from a career
that he didn't love and that he wasn't his main thing he wanted to do he always wanted to be a comedian but he never pursued the dream and he said uh something like his you know you can get fired at what you're you don't love or what you're not good at so you might as well go after what you do love yes you know it's kind of like you it's like people weren't choosing you for who you weren't so you Might as well be who you want to be exactly Y and get not chosen for
who you are exactly 100% um you something you brought up earlier about the walking in the hallway closing your eyes it reminded me of the Helen Keller quote I'm paraphrasing where she said something like um a lot of people have sight but no vision and you were like able to close your eyes and visualize you know literally walking and not hitting the Walls but also visualizing the dream yeah that you had for yourself in those moments AB you were able to have Vision a lot of us are seeing but we don't have Vision right what
do you think is blocking us from having true Vision I think a lack of faith right because faith is you know believe in things unseen right so I think that uh you know what what is the word is walk by faith not by sight and so I have faith in the things I feel the things that I believe I have faith that they're going to work even if you haven't seen them yet even if I haven't seen them right I've never seen God's face but I believed right i' I've heard a voice I believe I
have faith in the in the visions that he has shown me in my dreams or while I'm awake I have faith in those things I believe in confirmation right I I remember uh people used to uh ask me and still ask Me often how did you keep going after all the time it took you over 20 years to get to success like on the moments where you you know felt like giving up like what were things that kept you going and I always tell people I I would look at the signs of confirmation right I
remember used to work in um a staffing company in Greensboro North Carolina and I was on my lunch break went through the drive-thru and a little guy um when I Got to the drive-thru to pay he was like Hey I was like hey he was like aren't you the lady on the show aren't you on the U like Nickelodeon something like that I was like oh no I work at selective Staffing off of H Point Road he was like okay I was like okay he was like no don't you have the show with the with
the kid I was like I don't know what you're talking about honey I must look like somebody and I remember thinking like Huh why did he say that you know back then and and God spoke to my spirit and said cuz he can see your destiny so little moments like that would confirm and we're talk in 2003 2004 when that happened I just want an eny for my children's show but I didn't even dream of having all 20 years later I never thought I was going to have a children's show it was confirmation right so
if we pay Attention to the little signs I remember thinking like I I used to work um at a a nursing home assistant living home and we had to wear our uniforms like khaki pants and and polo shirts and I worked the ni year and it was hard it was hard this was like 2010 wow and I remember I would take breaks and you know go to the bathroom put water on my face cuz overnight you working at 11: at night to 7:00 in the morning I'm trying to stay awake and I would just stare
at myself In the mirror and some days I would just cry i' be like I can I look at myself and for a flash I would see myself on a red carpet and I would be like I'm clearly in khakis and a blue polo but for a quick second I could see I could see myself I said something is coming and it would just give me this boost I would just get excited I would get so excited and I know from being there I so many things happen very Supernatural things and I Used to be
like God why cuz I kept getting drawn to go work to the nursing home my mother was a hospice worker she was a social worker but as a kid she always taught me to respect our elders and just understand how much wisdom they hold right and so I would read to them when I was a kid so after she passed away I had this urge to go work a nursing home and specifically the night shift which was crazy right so all these Supernatural things would happen when I Was there and I feel like God had
me there because one day I'll make a show about it right also because seniors and elderly people are the best people in the world they are the funniest like they don't care there's no more fear they don't care about what you think about them they've seen it all done it all right um and so sometimes I think the flash that I saw myself on these like red carpets and like lights and stuff maybe it's because I'll do a show I'll create a show about my experience there and then I'll win you know maybe some awards
or something for it I don't know but little things like that were always signs for me so I always tell people look for your signs sometime you can be I don't know you know talking to a friend that you have a certain relationship with but you don't tell them your dreams but they may say to you one day just out of nowhere you ever thought about doing such and such and It's the thing that lives inside of you that's your sign you never told them that how do they how did they say that that's your
sign right that's confirmation that's how you keep going look for your signs you have a quote that I saw said obedience is better than sacrifice yeah what is that mean oh honey because obedience is the thing that it's hard to do right it's hard to be obedient sometimes Because sometimes we want to be in control you know that feeling you get under your that that gut feeling as we call it I call that the gift under the tummy that's what I say gut stands for because we all got it that's obedience obeying that like when
something is happening you got to make a decision you got to be obedient sometimes it's not the thing you want to sacrifice to do sometimes it's a thing that you have to be obedient and do so that you can go to The next place because I think that we all have a certain um amount of Grace God gives us all but I feel like we can we can get at a a road that has a a left and a right sacrifice is to the left obedience is to the right he also gives us the grace
to make a decision one turn might get us there quicker blessings may feel better the Other turn may be a whole different uncomfortable ride really right so obedience is better than sacrifice where where was a time in your life where you sacrificed as opposed to were obedient and what happened for you so many times I mean about 20 years I was living a lot of sacrifice um and what's what's how does it look different for someone when they do something based on making a sacrifice and maybe they think they're supposed to do this yeah versus
being Obedient I think sometimes we could say some people you know how you may want to start a business right and so you may sell your house but something inside you feels like this might this is not right but you make the sacrifice and you do it anyway business fails you ignore the obedience you ignore the thing that said don't do it that way because you thought you were in control and that your way your idea was Better right and sometime it's hard to decipher like is this my thinking or is this the gift is
this is this God speaking to me is this the thing that lives inside of me right and so I always say like if you can come up with the idea and you can write it down and you know it's great you can kind of come back to it but you can also kind of forget about it a little bit that's you thinking but if he's given it to you it's not going to let you rest it's Going to keep on nagging and also signs will come to confirm it and like I said before he ain't
complicated it's a little bit easier sometimes sometimes there's roadblocks because now they're roadblocks sometimes but if we read the sign on the roadblock it may not be a roadblock it may just be okay there's a little bump here but read the sign you can still go this way it's just going to be a little bit harder reward will be greater later but we just got to Make sure we know which which way we're going wow um and so I've I've done that many times but every time I've went against that thing I get burned every
time really oh every time something doesn't work out it just doesn't I remember and this happened recently I had um an opportunity to go in business with somebody to do a restaurant and absolutely love my business partner his name is nean love him my he has a restaurant in Chicago that I fell in Love with K my name and so he was like I want to open one in uh in La I was like I'll be your business partner I ain't never did restaurant business I I did food but I never did restaurant business like
I didn't know all this stuff right but I was like I know I can get people to come type thing and so I invested and did it a lot of things happened with this this building a lot of things happened that we couldn't keep the business open really right and so while We were in the process of before we ever open I I kept coming to I was like I don't know I got a feeling um maybe this is not the right location and he kept say oh no no no I know it is and
he had his reasons he had his his own reasons and so I said okay we'll go with it and my prayer was God if it's not meant to be don't let it last and it quck and baby it ended quick it was Grand Opening Grand closing wow that's how it felt yeah but I had so Much peace with it cuz I knew I was like I went against the the good but he's still doing amazing and successful with his restaurant in Chicago yep and it's almost you know the greatest blessing had you went against your
obedience MH but but it ended quickly it didn't go on for 5 years of misery right like at least it ended within a year or something and it was okay I only lost a little bit and it didn't work out it didn't take all my time and energy yeah As opposed to years where some people are disobedient and they stay in a relationship for 20 years too long oh honey yeah or they stay in a business because they have pride well I started this and I want to make sure it doesn't fail yeah and they
go against obedience and they suffer more yeah and then the hope is that when you come out of it that you learned yes right cuz I definitely learned to me it was like God is saying okay now remember I've already Shown you this yeah don't do it again don't do it again or might be more painful you know what going to happen exactly so yeah might be more painful yeah how did you know you were prepared and ready for the pressure and the weight of the success that came your way or the abundance started coming
your way you know five six years ago um I think because I didn't necessarily know I was necessarily ready But I felt normal if it makes sense you know my husband used to say uh he talks about this sometime for you know we've been together for 26 years this year so he's been with me since I've been pursuing acting and all the stuff in entertainment and when we first moved to LA it didn't matter what I audition for this is it I would come home and be like this going to be it honey I know
this is the road that's going to take me here it Could have been a short film it could have been a commercial whatever it was was always a thing wow and I would come home just overly excited like oh I can't wait we're gonna win the film F like I would just be all over the place excited and that went on for years right this stuff started happening uh in the last we'll say the last you know five years but about three years ago 2020 things really just went crazy off so much was happening I
mean campaigns Money brand deals products everything and I was very calm very grateful always in a state of gratitude but very calm so my husband came to me he said Hey listen I'm a little concerned I said why what's going on he was like so for years when you was doing the acting thing and you were not making money we were struggling you would be so excited so so so excited about oh this is it this is it and it wasn't it he said now this is it and you're not Excited excited the same way
and I said oh I said oh I get it now I said because back then my flesh was excited and I was all over the place but my spirit was like girl no no no you got to keep on going this ain't it wow this this not it I said but now my spirit and flesh we are in alignment so this feels like home it feels normal to me yeah your nervous system is safer it's it's safe it feels like oh I feel balanced I was out of balance before because I won't in Alignment I
said so now I can be in a full state of gratitude I cry a lot because I'm so happy but I'm not all over the place I was like so now I know this is what God had prepared me for so I feel at peace and so it gives me when we're at peace peace and we have a a understanding that I'm doing what God has has planned for me and has purposed me to do I know I'm ready for it wow yeah also don't have a a problem saying No that's how you really know
when you're ready yeah when someone's trying to give you money and you say like no I'm all right God bless y'all I'm all right that's big that's a big move that's like yeah obedience at a high level yeah cuz I said no to a whole lot of things um in the beginning of this journey before money started coming in um and it was money good money and I was like that's not an alignment where God is taking me yeah I got to say I got to Pass on it and that's how I knew that I
really was living and believing what God has for me is for me because I'm like we need that money but I don't I'm not gonna sacrifice I'm going have to be Obed yeah that's so good because you know we've been doing this show for 11 years and we've never taken I've never been drunk in my life or high I don't just don't do drugs or anything and we've had different you know gambling companies or alcohol companies always Wanted to sponsor and I've just said no to all of it and they've got big money yeah like
okay that money could be nice and I could hire more people and do these things but if it's not in alignment with me it just doesn't feel right not saying that other people shouldn't take that know it be for somebody that's somebody else's blessing exactly it's not for you that's right and I feel like I feel good even though I haven't taken that type of money or Those opportunities and I feel like it's growing in the way that I want it to grow you know I don't need those things MH and I think that's really
hard for people to say no yeah when it's out of alignment yeah and so that's that's that's challenging to do yeah it is you you have to get to a place where you can do that but I also understand desperation yeah yeah you might have to take stuff sometime yeah I mean back in the day I some of the movies and stuff I've done from way back I'd be like oh Lord but I was like I got paid $500 to do that or $5,000 and that 5,000 was the only money I made for six months
right so I'm grateful for all of it though because it's my story yes you know I did scripts that were terrible and you know I thought were funny and now I'm like oh God it was not funny you know just learning but that's that's my that's my story to tell yes you know and that's also can help Inspire somebody else that is in that season in their life 100% we all go through different seasons yeah what have you learned about the keys to having a a healthy relationship and successful marriage when you didn't have the
success the fame the noted writing you know for the first I guess 15 years to now having more of that what have you learned as one person in a relationship you know gets more Famous and successful and financially well off what what have you learned or what advice would you give others in relationships for us it's always been we all we get right um you know the saying don't believe the hype I live by that don't believe the hype my husband we are our foundation that's where it begins it's God first and then us right
then the children and all the things but together we can do everything Together you know my husband was uh we moved to LA and so that I could pursue my dreams for 15 years he was a a Los Angeles police officer wow he was like I can go get this job and we can at least have one solid income that has benefits you know cuz we had kids and you can pursue your dream and never have to get you know a career like a job job although I always had a job but I might have
a job for a year or two and then quit or you know whatever so he Sacrificed right he did that and I used to tell him five years I'm G to blow up out here in LA and I'm G take you out of there he be like don't I don't care about that I just want I'm fine pursue your dream pursue your dream right we did that together and so didn't happen in 5 years but after 15 years I was like listen this don't even make sense for you to be working no more please retire
like from LAPD and do something that you want to do you know something else so Being together and never letting the noise in like people start beli in the hype I am sabatha Brown only because I carried my husband's last name right so I am a a wife first like that's that's what it is like me and my husband that's that's it everything else is added on that's all it's just work is work but we never let it I don't know how to explain it I think that people sometime they forget that Marriage should be
first you know and for me it's it's family first it's gonna always be that my career is my bonus that I get to live right that all the other things it's the bonus my dream God gave me I also feel like my husband was part of my dream right that's part of who I am like this is who he chose for me right right to do this life with what's his name chance chance mhm what's the thing you love about chance the most honey he makes me Feel safe but Chance is not going to do
nothing that chance don't want to do you be like hey you want to go nope not doing that like it's just some days it gets on my nerves but it's also admirable like oh you're not easily influenced he's authentic to who he is oh yeah oh yeah absolutely gu at a marriage you got to have to do certain things you don't want to do all the time let me tell you now it's many days though he on my nerves with that I be Like you know what I can't stand that about you and then other
days like I love that about you you know um but I think another thing is he's a a phenomenal father i' I've been able to witness my husband in all stages of his life right yeah we grew up together we've known each other pretty much our whole life since we were 10 and so I've seen him as a boy I've seen him as a young man and now uh you know a man man you know he 45 and it's been an honor to Watch him evolve and grow wow and mature but fatherhood has been one
of the best things to witness that's beautiful yeah wow yeah chance the man um you know you talk about fears a lot in the book I did a new thing what do you think was the biggest fear when you were not fully obedient or fully living the most authentic life that that that was meant for you and what is the biggest fear now H stepping into owning you 100% I think The biggest fear before was you know dying with this thing inside of me like never letting it be seen right um fear now doesn't necessarily
live with me as much I don't know if I have um a necessar like I don't I don't know if I have a fear I want To I want to change people right I want to um I want to affect them in the best way possible right and sometimes trying to spread love and positivity people don't want to buy into that sometimes why is that I think misery loves company you know and sometimes happen is uh scarce people you know you can have people that everything's going great and they'll be Like I know something bad's
going to happen why we allive to go through it either way you know so I think some sometimes I I don't necessarily fear it but I am concerned um am I doing enough with spreading love and trying to reach people am I doing it the right way uh even though I feel at peace about it I always you know I'm in prayer like God is this really what you want me to do I want to make sure I'm I'm not ever being Triggered to get back into being in control cuz you know healing is a
journey and so sometimes we can be triggered to going back to our old things and my old thing is being I'm in control instead of no no I'm letting God be in control and I'm walking and I never want to go back I never want to go back how do you know when you're on the right path in surrender versus in control h um I think it's that feeling for Me it's the feeling off balance when you feel like you're trying to control things yeah you feel more off balance yeah and when nothing seems to
be lining up oh tab you trying to do this step back step back and let's let's look at every piece of the puzzle and make sure you're not trying to create the puzzle create the pieces and put it all together sit back and and let God do what God does We still have to do our part cuz Faith without work is dead right but still you got to let him orchestrate yeah more yeah what do you feel like will be the thing that holds you back the most moving forward besides you know being in trying
to be in control or now be obedient is there anything else you you don't have the fears anymore what are you preparing for like with the abundance coming your way what are you Preparing for or to make sure you don't get in your own way um I think just staying true to who I am right I don't I don't fear um I don't fear or project uh negative right I I ain't I'm not I'm not preparing for negative I'm expecting the unexpected right which I'm always in my mind thinking of God saying is more than
what I can imagine right that's greatness that's what I'm what I'm looking forward to I don't look Forward to um cloudy days although I know they will come but they're not it's not something I'm like oh I'm I'm a I'm planning for a bad day no I'm planning for all good days I'm I'm I am being Mindful and intentional with joy right so I don't think and and listen that may be the thing that holds me back and if it does then we we'll cross that bridge when we get to it but I don't plan
On allowing anything to shift me outside of the position God has put me in I think that I trust God I believe that he has me on this journey and I'm all right with whatever come my way there you go that's just kind of how I feel about it what do you think is the greatest lesson God has Tau saw you I was always enough I didn't need to try to do his job cuz cuz the thing about when you Conform and when you try to you know um create another person that's me saying God
you didn't do a good enough job on me I had to fix me but he taught me he had did a great job and I was enough just as he created me to be wow M it's inspiring you've done you've done like three books in the last four years yeah is that right three in the last four in a little Journal like a workbook Journal but yeah was keeping track four books four years yeah Uh this one's called I did a new thing by Tabitha Brown you're number one New York time bestselling author multiple New
York time best selling author this is all about the 30 days to living free you talk about how to really create new habits and a framework around setting yourself up for Freedom stepping into your truth overcoming your fears I'm excit I'm excited for people to get a copy of IDE did a new thing yes what else are you most excited about these Days that you're working on and how we can support and serve you yes um I know we were talking about it I'm excited to get back into doing more acting and I I love
that you know sometimes and this is important for somebody to hear somebody needs to be reminded of this sometimes we have a dream right but our journey to get to it doesn't always look like how we envision it and so God took me on this whole different path that has led me back to be able to do the thing that I've been dreaming of since I was a kid and so more I'm acting I just finished a film um uh television you know doing things that really matter to me making people laugh sometime making them
cry right that's what we do as actors making people feel that's it um creating more products that people can use in everyday life because I think that's the most important uh and I know my I know my my fan base I know my as I call them my my F based they my family um and you know Feeding people good food good recipes but also feeding their soul with inspiration and um staying true right and I'm expanding with my hair carine I don't know if you know my hair her name is Donna I name my
hair she twisted up right now but and I normally have a big old afro and her name is Donna so I have Donna's recipe because I don't do desserts but Donna she can give you desserts for your hair so I have a sweet potato pie collection Hair prodcts at Ulta beauty also at Target now and we're expanding the line and doing more things that so just trying to you know build an Empire but off of truth I just like you said you'll never put your name on no you know alcohol because that's not in alignment
I'll never just throw my name on a product right it's going to be something that you know oh wait that's definitely tab because this is how she live her life so I just keep on Doing things that that matter and that are you know real to me that's beautiful yeah I am Tabitha Brown on all of social media uh your Tik Tok Instagram Facebook you know YouTube is blown up as well you got amazing recipes Alexandra she's vegan she team and she was talking about how she wants to try one of your latest recipes I
think it was like a carrot bacon oh yeah was like that sounds incredible so I'm G to have to have someone make it up and That was like one of my first uh viral videos on Tik Tok that took me through the roof in 2020 so I got to try that someday yeah um so people can get all your content on social media is a saying I'm tabith brown.com as well but make sure to get the new book I did a new thing I've got a couple fin questions for you Tabitha first one before I
ask the final two questions I want to acknowledge you Tabitha for the transformation you've made and for Sharing your transformation so publicly and the success that you've received by owning your truce I think a lot of people wear masks in the world I wore masks for many years to protect myself to fit in to feel like I belonged all these different things because I was afraid and we can only create so much success with a mask on but I think we can create true fulfillment and greatness as our authentic selves so I acknowledge you for
leaning into that Listening to the voice and being obedient to what you felt was right for you and the impact you've made by the continual actions you take and how you show up is just really inspiring so I really acknowledge you for listening to the voice and taking action to be of service to so many people that watch and listen to you and read your books so congrats on everything thank you for of course um this question is called the three truths so it's a hypothetical Scenario imagine you get to Live From This Moment for
as many years as you want to live but it's eventually your last day on this Earth okay and in this hypothetical scenario you get to create all of your dreams they all come true you live the life you envision and you you know you have unexpected things that come to your life as well that are beautiful but it's the last day and for whatever reason on this last day you have to take all of your work with you So no one has access to this book anymore this interview and anything you create for whatever reason
it's got to go with you okay but you get to leave behind three lessons to the world and this is all we would have for remember you bu I call the three truths what would be those three truths for you oh live free mhm um spread love and eat Wh I like it simple yeah and Powerful um final question Tabitha what is your definition of greatness uh definition of of greatness is is freedom right being completely free uh in your world and in everybody else's and okay God I'm going to put my trust and my
faith in you right it took me till I was 40 wow to start that process no I had I'd been going through that whole process Before 40 wow and is when I hit 40 That