PREPARE-SE! O PSÍQUICO Mostrou O Futuro Da HUMANIDADE! | Paul Selig

They say you know you've had war for so long that you expect it And until you move to a consciousness where war is not possible where it just doesn't exist you'll claim it But that's a radical change in how we experience reality I'd like to welcome to show Paul Selig How are you doing Paul I'm well thank you Thank you so much for being on the show I have been an admirer of your work for quite some time and I - wanted to have you on the show to kind of introduce my audience to your

work and what you've been doing So - to get started how did you begin your remarkable spiritual journey that you are on right now Yeah it was unexpected and unasked for Truthfully I was raised sort of an atheist and didn't know what a spiritual life was or why one would ever want one But - when I was 25 I was - about a year out of grad school when I had a list of things that I had to have achieved that I thought would make me okay in the world And I got the whole list

and I wasn't okay by - any stretch of the imagination And really out of - sheer necessity not because I thought it would be a nice thing to do I began - looking for something more and I didn't even know that I was doing I mean the real story is I was working on a project in St Paul and I was staying in the Gopher campus motor lodge fancy place in St Paul and I didn't know where the drugs were in St Paul and I was having a very bad And You know the Gideons leave

these books in the drawers and hotel rooms and there was this thing that said prayer for people in Cris And - I don't know that I knew what the crisis was that I was in but I knew I was in one and I said it And three days later I heard a voice telling me to get my act together which was the beginning of - a lot of other stuff that - happened And I listened to it I started to open up psychically around the time I quit partying And that was a surprise And I

didn't know what that meant I had an experience of energy around this time of this thing people were calling the harmonic convergence I asked to be woken up and I thought well if there is a God And I was starting to think - maybe there was And you asked to be woken up Why would it say no Was my thinking at the time I was - 25 year old with platinum blonde hair and - leather jacket Anyway so it began a journey that I'm still on And I studied a form of energy healing when I

was maybe 30 ish or so I'd been going to somebody for a bit because it was a context for the experiences I was beginning to have which were energetic and visual and some auditory and not flashy It was all very subtle And I never would have called myself a psychic in those days but I was volunteering at a center for people that were living with life challenging illness And I found that when I had my hands on their bodies I began to hear things for - know When I had my hands on your chest I

heard the name Billy I learned to say who's Billy And you'd say my father my brother my lover my You know And - as that kept getting panned out and confirmed I began to trust this sort of channel or this transmission that was beginning to come And it wasn't like a voice in the room It was like a thought that blocks out all other thoughts - That has a very different quality to know I wasn't thinking about any Billy And all of a sudden Billy And you go okay well what do I do with this

And I started a group that met in my apartment and met for about 18 years where I was sitting with people and Know taking beginning to channel although I didn't think of it as channeling in those days I was more interested in the energy that was coming through Which was very palpable and very physical and I liked the experience of that So that's how it started But I did the group for 18 years I was a college teacher I taught at NYU and - ran a writing program at Goddard College for many many years And

I wasn't looking to be known for this at all In fact I finally got a website for clients but I didn't have my name on it or my photograph because I didn't want to be outed And in about 2009 the guides I work with began to dictate through me books And they've done ten of them now Nine are in print and all of the books are the unedited transcripts of the channeling sessions It's just really recorded typed up That's what maybe three words in any book might be corrected because I mispronounced something Or - I

dropped an s on a word that should have been pluralized because I was talking so fast But that's what happened and that's how I - came to do what I do And I may never understand it truthfully it's an OD skill - but - I'm interested in it So I continue and it's now what I do I quit my life in academia about five years ago and that's it Now I find it fascinating that Were when you had for lack of a better word the calling to do this obviously something was coming through you Something

was happening but yet you were fearful - of being outed As you said I had a very similar experience just by doing this show because I come from the film industry so I'm very well known in the film industry for the show of talking to Oscar winners and so on and so forth And I was afraid of showing this side of myself So I understand - on a smaller scale the fear you had to How did you break through that fear when you just finally said you know I got to go all in on this

Oh I mean I still have to butt up against my resistance and every time I get a little bit more public I'm challenged by that I'm a shy person - by nature Every time I've stepped through that resistance there's been more available to me on the other side So it's really been a process But really from the very beginning before the books were coming I was challenged by all of this stuff People would sometimes say what's the hardest part about being a channel And I said Well it's that I'm the channel - See if you

were channeling this stuff I could read it say well this is interesting this is useful this is not But - it's kind of like asking the radio to judge the broadcast - And I'm a Radio That's really what I do It's not terribly glamorous I actually take dictation - That's what I do The books are all stenography spoken stenography So you work through the resistance And the other thing is the culture now is different than it was even ten years ago At the time I just wanted to - - keep - - my paid job

at an academic institution That probably would have frowned on it but by the time I left they knew what I was doing and they would - celebrate a book when it came out And I thought well that's kind of great So much of what I feared would happen didn't And truthfully people are too interested in their own crap to worry about mine - It's not about me And that was a relief - And that's it Yeah generally that's what I had the same experience with that as well The ego loves to like what are they

going to say about me No one cares No one cares Pretty much - they got their own problems to deal with So for the audience I think you did a pretty good explanation of being a channel or the channeling process It's kind of like tuning into a radio and you're just a speaker and it's just coming through you Correct I work two different ways So I work as a channel and I work as a psychic or they call me sometimes like a medium for the living So if you think of me as a radio and

when I'm channeling I'm just turning the dial a milla - inch I mean just a tiny tiny bit and then suddenly the other broadcast is available Right now I'm just talking I'm Paul But if I want to switch I can go in - and I can access - If I'm reading say for you and - you said tell me what's going on with my ex or my kid or whoever and - - I would tune into you You would be the coordinate you'd be the radio station so that I can hear you or feel what

it's like to be you and then switch the station and tune into the egg So it's kind of like being a switchboard And it's a funny thing and I like the work that I do with individuals because it's provable stuff - - It's just like How do I know - what your ex is going through But I do - at some level So the process - is far less dense and - long than people think it really is Just - if you imagine a radio there's all these stations playing all the time but if you're

not tuned into them you're not picking them up the broadcast - I'm just wired to pick up these broadcasts And some of what my guides do - - with their students and through their books is - wire other people up as well to be able to run the energy - that they call with them which they say is always available We just haven't been told we're allowed To do it - now Who are the guides You refer to the guides a lot Who are the guides Well I mean it's a collective They're teachers The name

once in a while they'll - speak it - and it's in the book so I can say it is the name Melchizedek which is I guess the priesthood But I'm truthfully Highly uninterested in the names - only because the names tend to carry baggage And then it gets into ego and stuff like that The reason they're called the Guides is my ex When my ex found out that I could do this I used to hear ask the guides this ask the guides that Suddenly there was a psychic in the house - who could answer all

the questions And so that's why they started being called the guides And it sort of stuck and they haven't objected to it So that's what I call them But - they say we are who you become when you know who you are That's how they describe themselves which makes All the sense in the world at least to me It makes all the sense in the world I always find it interesting with people who don't believe so much in channeling and that's fine You don't have to believe in channeling but the work - speaks for itself

The Books speak for itself If the Books speak to you they speak to If your work speaks to you it speaks to the person reading it I don't care how it got there - It's irrelevant Yeah I'm with you there I didn't believe in channeling or I was suspicious of it And I still can be with some of what sort of is out there and is being called this which feels to me sometimes like it's - the flavor of the minute channeling I don't think the guides I work with could care less about - celebrity

Not part of mean they still call my computer a television Am I going to hear from John on the television It's like okay so I don't think they're watching the news But I I had read maybe half a Seth book when I was a grad student - and thought it was really fascinating What's a Seth book A Seth book Jane Roberts was a channel in the - who channeled an entity called Seth And that stuff was pretty amazing But I only read half the book but I really do think it impacted me But I actually

don't watch other people who are working I make a point of it and I buy everybody's books and then I don't read them And I think some of this is about keeping it clean - as I can - so that what's coming through me is just specific to what they want And I'm not having to say well what do your guides say about so and so's teachings Because I don't think they know although they might answer the questions on a process or a teaching now the world Is going through a major shift right now It's

something I've never seen before in my lifetime and even throughout history I've never seen something globally - take humanity like it has had - in the last couple of years And it seems to be getting - worse in many ways It seems like the shift is like - people are like I call it the etcher sketching - of humanity What's your opinion of what's going on and why we're going through this right now In the very first book the Guides dictated which was called I am the word and it was dictated in 2009 published in

ten the guides said humanity is at a time of reckoning and a reckoning is a facing of oneself - and all of one's creations And everything that's been created in fear or is rooted in fear they say is going to have to be resen or reknown or recreated in some higher way - because we can't continue as we have They said we're the only I mean the fact that we think that building a bigger bomb is something that's going to keep us safe is insanity as far as they - - understand it But - what

I hear is going on now is great opportunity - and it's actually sort of necessary And I mean necessary Not that we have to suffer - through stuff but that we have to change We can't really go on the way we were And so the guides talk about this as sort of a tidal wave of change - and they talk about us being brought to they call like a higher shore - than we've been on but we have to go through this process of releasing the known - and who we think we are and how

we think we're supposed to - operate This is all they say sort of like the last hurrah of separation And it's the belief that we're separate from our source but also that is the belief that we're separate from one another - - and that we should continue that - claim So a lot of the polarity I suspect that we're experiencing now is - this stuff really coming up to be seen Because I don't think anything gets healed when it's hidden It has to be brought to the light in order to be reclaimed by the light

and we have free will So I finally see it as positive The guide started saying maybe about a year ago which was surprising to me and a bit of a relief - They said humanity has chosen to Collectively we've chosen - to move beyond this So we're going to make it I don't know that we're going to make it without some serious bumps in the road We may have to - - experience - the futility of war - to understand that there's no point to it that it's insanity That may be what happens I don't

know They don't give predictions but they have said we're going to make it And I actually trust them The last couple of years have totally transformed my life And I'm - grateful for the changes - - but I know - it's been tough Yeah And there's been just such a massive shift in the way we look at things and the way life has changed I mean this interview normally I would have to fly in to see you or you would have to fly in to see me for something like this to happen And the technology

was Skype's been around for a long time but it wasn't - normal Now something like this can happen Same thing with working remotely And - that was frowned upon before where now - it's demanded Almost like the workforce has finally said you know what I have some power here I'm going to decide how I want to work Is that kind of - that shift Now a lot of the things that Most of the problems that we have - in our life is due to ego and letting go of that me - state And it seems

like it's getting worse with social media and all that stuff Why do you feel - that it's so difficult to let go of ego And do you have any advice on letting go That's a very big question but do you have any advice When I was in my maybe early thirty s and suffering I heard something in channel I'm 99% sure I heard it in channel because I wrote it down on a piece of paper because I didn't understand it but I knew it probably made sense - And what I wrote down was freedom will

come when the throne relinquishes its king And I thought what the hell does that mean But it really means who the hell is sitting in the throne and running the show And the guides I work with say the small self which is the personality structure - or the egoic structure rules a small kingdom And that's where everything's supposed to be about them and what they think And you know the small self they say knows itself through history There's nothing wrong with it It's an aspect of who we are But we've really put the cart -

before the horse So what the guides teach is actually the reclamation of the true self And - they do that through attunement and energetic attunement And it's really quite simple because the attunements they work through are done through language that's sort of encoded with vibration And they're usually very palpable for people when they work with them So it's a process of reknowing who we are - beyond the idea of who we are So I can say yeah I'm Paul - I live in Maui I'm this age This is the color of my skin This is

my background This is what my parents did I can do all that and that's a way of identifying the self But that's not who I truly am just like it's not who anybody truly is These are ways of knowing the self through sort of cultural agreements And when we start to move beyond that to - claim the guides would say the claim is I know who I am in truth And they say to know is to realize I realize I know who I am in truth - And they say in truth a lie can't be

held To move to that at the cost of the other is the challenge You see I still want what I want when I want it And I'm a curmudgeon and I get cranky and I get pissed off when things don't go the way I think they should But I also have let go of an enormous amount of the ideas of who I'm supposed to be in the world And this work has forced that I had a very different outline for - my path than I ended up on And what I've been given is actually much

better And I think part of the reason we hold on so tightly is we don't trust that if we don't get what we want we're not going to be met Even in the spiritual community people are saying I've got to manifest this I've got to get that get get It's like the universe is a catalog - that everybody's supposed to order from And the problem with that because it's not untrue Things are available but people are claiming what they think they're supposed to have and that's based on some other menu that's inherited I'm supposed to

be beautiful wealthy happy all the time - and have a photographer following me around when I take a walk from my Instagram page I mean it's like that kind of stuff And I don't think it's that So when you kind of go to the place of reception - and allowing trusting whatever you want to call it God the universe It doesn't really matter what you call it - to be the source of supply Then you stop grabbing at everything or stop trying to tell - spirit what you need and how it's supposed to come Which

is again the small cell for the personality structure trying to dictate the rules - when we move to a place of reception or surrender or allowance I think that real alchemy - begins to happen Isn't it funny though if we actually got everything we wanted what a horror show our lives would be Yeah it's really true - - I agree If I would have gotten what I wanted at 15 - - or at 20 or at 25 it would have been a horror show because - it would have destroyed me But you're right It's because

it's that small ego that is afraid of letting go Afraid of - - letting go letting God if you will - And I think for me At least in my world when I've let go things open up and things start - showing up that I never even thought in a million years If you told me a year ago - that I would be sitting here speaking to you I'd have said you're absolutely mad because the show didn't exist a year ago But then once I decided to go full in then - - guests started showing

up out of the woodwork and amazing conversations and things are starting to happen And it was all because I - let go and also let go of fear which is my next question Fear Yeah Yeah Fear is such a thing that - holds us back not the fear of the tiger eating you That's a healthy fear I'm talking about the fears the baggage that we carry Any advice on how we can break through some of these fears Because everything You had a fear - coming out I had a fear doing this show in so many

ways How do you break through these fears Well I don't know Breaking through is the right - way to look at it The guides that I work with talk a lot about fear and they say the action of fear is to claim more fear So every choice we make in fear gets us more of the same You just look at the last choice you made in fear and see what it got you Probably you'll see it got you more fear So a very simple thing is to stop making choice in fear or through fear And

that's different than prudence which is what you're talking about the tiger eating you Prudence is healthy Fear is all Tigers are evil That's fearful - Don't go to that continent They have a tiger Stay away from the zoos They have tigers My daughters are terrified of sharks I'm like unless they're land sharks and have keys to our house you're pretty good It's true It's funny So that's one thing - The guides say that fear isn't that bright They say fear is actually Fear doesn't transcend because it can't They say fear is of God but doesn't

know that it is and that's its problem So they say nothing can be outside of God but you can believe you're not and then have that experience So they talk about the guides I work with talk about this thing They call it the upper room Which they say is the next level of consciousness above the one that we operate in sort of a collective field They talk about it in terms of music - An octave is comprised of notes high and low And our reality they say is in tone or vibration - as music And

they say about lifting to what they call the upper room which they say is the next octave up And much of what they teach is the transposition - of the vibration or the notes of who we are to be sung or played - in a higher way And the interesting thing about the upper room - is when you begin to feel it there and the guides take people to that and let's say well what are you afraid of There's nothing - to be fearful of at that level because it doesn't exist So the level of

fear the vibration of fear lives or expresses - at one level To rise above it is to move beyond it Do you understand this So imagine here's an easy example You're living in a basement apartment and your view out the window is through the transom windows and somebody says well here go try the 20th floor And the view is going to be different And you go up and there's this great apartment on the 20th floor and you don't have the same darkness You don't have the same shadow You don't have the same experience But what

most of us do is we get up to the 20th floor and say oh my God I left my ex's stuff in the drawer and oh my God there's all those bills down in the basement I have to run back downstairs And we go back and we reclaim what we know even if it makes us unhappy So My understanding about moving through fear is not honoring it And I don't mean don't be stupid Don't go walk into traffic - It's not like I am fearless I will walk into traffic It's not like that - It's

about stop taking the bait Stop going into an agreement that we should be afraid Fear is a teacher and it's just not the best teacher You can learn about not picking up the hot frying pan without scorching your hand on it There are other ways to learn a lesson So that's what I hear Now can you talk a little bit about karma and the concept of karma Because karma is a - large subject matter and has been talked about so many different ways - over thousands of years From the guide's perspective from your perspective They

said very little They've said very little It's an opportunity to learn It's cause and effect It's an opportunity to learn It is not punishment It's opportunity I hear - that we're here to learn That's part of why we've come and we're going to learn through all of our experiences Every experience is valuable or valid - in terms of learning but karmas really cause and effect So - I understand - that if you move to a level of tone or vibration they call it the upper room you can release - some of that stuff - because

that's very moored in a lower dense - level but you're not going to bypass the lessons that you've come to learn So I think of it simply as opportunity It's not the opportunity that I say I might not want it That might not be a lesson I want to learn It's usually not but that's really it I don't know that it's much more complicated But they don't give a system for burning off your know I live on Maui now I have all these friends - that are Hanuman devotees They're chanting the holy names All know

they're wonderful and I totally am on board But it's not what the guides are teaching I almost sometimes say well that would be much nicer I could sit - and do Gerton all day and have a wonderful time But they're doing their own thing That's not the work that we need to do In other words sometimes No it's somebody else It may be somebody else it may be truthfully it's just not the system - that the guides I work with are teaching The guides I work with are talking about reclamation And so these aspects of

ourselves that have been put in darkness or we've denied need to be brought to the light it's really simple The guides say it this way who you damn or what you damn Damn you back - And damning isn't finger pointing it's actually energetic accord - So who you put in darkness calls you to that darkness You see the guides say you can't lift the evil man to the upper room because you have made him evil You've aligned him at that level of consciousness or vibration So - it's a challenging teaching but it's really really simple

They also say what you bless blesses you in return And a blessing isn't - a sanctioning It's not condoning something that you don't like It's putting the presence of the divine upon that thing knowing that thing as - within God so that the action of the divine can be present upon it And it's funny when they first started teaching this it was at the Esalen Institute in California They sent people out onto the lawn there like 1020ft apart and they had them claiming - - the body is divine I know what you are in truth

claiming - the divinity of form - And you could feel the energy come back to you It was like waves of energy coming back And it's the illustration of what you bless blesses you in return If you can claim the divine in form you're actually raised or lifted by that What you bless blesses you in return What you damn Damn you back Same idea So so As the Beatles say love is the way Yeah in many ways yeah it is I mean love even in my life as somebody who's single and complains about it my

idea of love - - still is sort of filtered through cultural ideas And I think true love is not a feeling it's an energy And it is the energy of source And so to have that experience - is unreal But it's true Love does heal It changes everything What it encounters is transformed by it Absolutely true And as opposed to Damning it loving it could hopefully maybe raise both of you Exactly right Exactly right Exactly right Exactly right Yeah I think - that's probably one of the reasons why the Beatles - are the Beatles I

agree I'm a Beatles fan It's just so interesting to see like generation after generation I think I saw Paul McCartney says like 95% of the songs we wrote were about love It's not too bad So it's really interesting - Now this is another large question Consciousness What is consciousness in your definition of it What are the guides definitions of it They actually said it recently and I don't remember anything that they said It was in a lecture and they sort of defined us and they're defining this So I don't even want to go there today

if I can help it because I'll get it wrong I mean I hear consciousness is God expressing as all things right So it's all things everything is consciousness And it's not singular it's actually collective And I kind of get that that's where we make our mistakes The people that say well you created it you created your own I think well we're contributing to it but we have a collective field that we're also operating in that we're all contributing to the reality that we know is the reality that we're in agreement to And until some of

those things change I don't know that much changes Like - they say you've had war for so long that you expect it - You've always been at war so you expect it So consequently you'll always have it And until you move to a consciousness where war is not possible Where it just doesn't exist you'll claim it But that's a radical change in how we experience reality No it's just everything is just Everything is different - when you shift the consciousness or the tone Now the this thing that we have as souls - at this level

of existence is the disconnection from each other the disconnection from source disconnection from that We somehow have talked ourselves into believing that we are not all - connected I mean just on a physical level the earth the ecosystem but yet we feel like we're disconnected - Any advice on how to get that connection back not only - - on a physical level but also obviously on a spiritual level but even on a physical level just connection with your fellow man Well I mean I'm an old twelve stepper from way way back and they used to

tell me early on you look for the good or the God in everybody and it works It's so simple It doesn't have to be much more complicated than that The guides teach - - sort of a different system of realization - and sort of knowing true knowing which is palpable and effective And it really is Who is the witness What aspect of you is witnessing - - your neighbor What aspect of you The one that wants to be right or the one that knows And the aspect of you that knows is the aspect of you

that loves So when you tune in it's the true self is what they call it You're operating at a different level But I think - the idea of not denying the God in yourself Is first and foremost and then not denying the God in the one the one you can't stand because that's where you're really going to progress It's easy to see the God in your lover or your kid or it's easy But when you're challenged by knowing the presence must be there because the guides say if you deny the divine in another you've denied

it in yourself automatically That's how you shut yourself off Now you discussed the upper room - Can you discuss - how - you can transcend to go to the upper room How can we connect to the upper room Not techniques but what do we need to do in order to be raised in that way The last three books the guides have delivered have all been about the upper room and operating from there Getting there isn't - that hard I mean you can work with the attunements they offer and you can have an experience of it

which is - something for many people - - palpable Maintaining it seems to be much harder because - I'm still learning and I'm still being buffeted by - events in my life that I don't think should be there And then I go back and I learn and then I can go home - or go back up So how one gets to the upper room you have to first understand that there's an aspect of you already that expresses there You're not inventing this There's a part of you - that knows who it is what it is

how it serves and that part of you expresses at a higher octave or a higher level of resonance And so the very simple claims I know who I am In truth I know what I am In truth I know how I serve In truth - I am free I am free I am free These are all attunements and you can work with the energy of them and people can often feel them - - That seems to be prerequisite And then the claim really is really very simple I am in the upper room and you feel

the energy just sort of whoosh around you as you lift And then there's a whole bunch that you can do Once there - Once there you can move towards what the guides call - - rearticulation or reclaiming of who you are in a higher way So the upper room isn't a destination just to get out of your pain It's where a lot of other things can really occur - - I believe But this is what they teach So these are what the books are about So I've been after doing so much studying over the years

and just talking to people like yourself I keep hearing the same things - connecting to a higher self Different words different phrases But the concepts all seem to be the same Is to transcend fear transcend yourself get to a higher place connect with yourself love one another This is what Jesus was talking about 2000 years ago It's very interesting Truth is truth doesn't matter how you package it I was struggling with concepts - - that the guides teach when they talked about the true self And then I had hindu students in my workshops and they

were saying oh yeah this is the Atman and this is how we talk about this And I'm going oh I don't You know I'm I'm honestly not all that well read I don't have a lot of - theoretical background I tried and I forgot everything And - know - Lazy I suppose in some ways but I think it needs to be truthful I think it needs to cross systems I think if it's true it's true I don't know that it matters what you call it or what the names one gives it are but I think

it's all the same Why do you think that - you were chosen or that you chose this path Because it seems like you obviously enjoy your work but - from our conversation alone I've seen you're just like it's my work it's my job it's my thing And I'm having problems with stuff and Yeah so it's a very human it's a very human way of looking at - your work Well I I don't think of myself as terribly special And I think that's a real trap when you get into this stuff And I do think that

I have a skill set that's been developed over years - of sitting and showing up The one thing I give myself a lot of credit for - is showing up for this stuff even when I didn't want to And a lot of times I didn't want to and a lot of times I thought it was nuts - - or that I was nuts for doing it And I walked away from an academic career You don't walk away from - tenure all that stuff Pretty much It wasn't tenure It wasn't the issue - Everything else was

- benefits retirement all those things And I said okay well I'm doing this now When I was I have some information about past life stuff that contributes to this I think I've been working with these guides longer - than this lifetime When I was - studying energy healing in my early thirty s and I was working with this old irish lady who was quite something She's no longer - living And she said okay everybody here's a prayer It works Be really careful how you phrase it because you're going to get it And I at the

time I sort of in retrospect thought I should have asked for a nice apartment or a partner or something - - but So I'd had enough of an experience Of for lack of a better word God or - whatever I experienced that I - knew enough to know that it was real And I also knew that there was nothing better than that I just wanted to be in that experience So I remember writing this thing down in - my stupidity sort of saying I want to go all the way with this And what I believe

the books are are away And maybe that's why they came through me with the books Am I the book's best student No I'm not I have a challenging relationship - with the material because it's coming through me and I'm not a guru and I'm not a spiritual teacher and I have no desire to be either of those things I really could care less So that's part of it When I look back on my life I was being developed for this without knowing it - You know I had been a playwright when I was young and

I used to put on music on loop one song on loop for hours and hours and hours and sit there and just write I was inducing trance without knowing what a trance was and on and on and on And then - I was a college teacher and about ten years before I stopped I found that I couldn't use notes anymore I couldn't - And I would just sit there and allow it all to come out And it did and it was wonderful - And - I said for years teaching was my spiritual practice It taught

me how to love It really did I didn't know how to love but teaching I think taught me that in an unconditional way And I was all sort of being prepared for what I do and I didn't expect it and I wasn't asking for it that I can recall So that's maybe why Maybe I asked The guides once said to somebody who was asking me questions why isn't Paul - - getting what he wants and all this And the guides said well paul's job is to hold the door open for other people And I was

all - - but then later when they introduced the upper room they know the door is open They were inviting all their students across this threshold Everybody come come And they said paul you get to come now too Which was really quite something for me to hear And that's around the time that everything really began to shift for me But I realized perhaps the books are the door that I'm holding open That's my job The books are a doorway for others And I've agreed to that - until they stop wanting to dictate books or until

I say no more books I can't do it anymore It's been about a book a year - for ten years Does it take a physical toll on you doing these The books are dictated The first book took two and a half weeks to deliver unedited So there's no editing there's no rewriting The last book I think took a month and a half and I wasn't working every day But usually I can sit now for half an hour to an hour - for dictation - when I'm doing a retreat when I used to do live retreats

and I was with the same people 6 hours a day The guides would dictate 80 pages in five days - just in front of people But there's a physical toll Yeah I mean it's so it seems that my nervous system - is used I'm not complaining about it but There's something arduous But I also work for hours Most people that I know who channel can work for 45 minutes an hour And I'll I'll do a day you know But the books The books The books are intense So you would work You'll do the full day

of just channeling the entire day If I'm doing - a live workshop like a five day or a seven day I do those periodically I try to do them when book dictations are happening because it's a good opportunity to get a lot done So they might do three or four lectures over the course of one day A lecture is usually 30 to 40 minutes and then they'll finish the lecture and say this is in the book This is in the book This is a new chapter This is the title of the chapter It's in the

book When I'm Because of COVID and my inability to travel I actually - convened a small group - of - old time students and - I would meet with them first thing in the morning and - the guides would dictate there's got to be an audience I can't do this without people listening So - that's how that was done Yeah I can't do it by myself There's got to be an active listener always has to be So - you can't just have a recorder on You have to have somebody else in the room I have

to have somebody else The guides have to be speaking to someone If I don't like what they hear and there's a recorder on I'm probably going to switch say I don't want to talk about this or I don't trust this but if there's an audience there the rule is I don't get to stop until the guides say stop now please which is how they end their dictations It's possible that I haven't tried to do it just in a recorder for a long time but I the guides are teachers and they need their students so that's

how I experience it Have the guides ever spoken to you or through you about reincarnation Not at length And I don't know that they've said anything terribly original about the subject I mean I get confused at times because they say that our idea of past lives are sort of more than our ideas of linearity and time which they say we're not understanding that They say everything is happening now There's only now There's the universal now And that time is a construct that in some ways we've - - chosen to learn through - and we claim

as a reality So I don't know what that does to past lives but I know I've had some because I remember some and that's about it Now you've talked about the concept of the kingdom Can you go into that a little bit What is the kingdom The guides say the kingdom is the realization of the divine - in all things in all manifestation So the guides have said there is one note sung in the entire universe one tone and that note is in manifestation is everything else we see - high low and in between And

so the realization which is the knowing of the inherent divine which is the divine that's already there the realization of that is moving towards the kingdom The kingdom is seeing God as and in all things And people get thrown by that because I can't see God in that person She's awful or I can't see God in that thing But what you're seeing is the source of all things The source that is manifested as all things What we've done with that stuff is something other but can be reclaimed - So yeah that's the kingdom I've had

- tastes of it maybe in my experience but that's where they're bringing their students That was the title of the last book the Kingdom which is really when they're doing a book they're unpacking it They're unpacking the teaching - that can be applied Can you talk a little bit about the book of freedom and the concepts behind that book I don't remember it well And truthfully after the audiobook is done I often don't go back - to reread Do you channel the audiobook or is it just you reading No that's me reading from the transcript

that the publisher has When I'm channeling I'm whispering and repeating - - It's more challenging to listen to but the audiobook is just The energy is present I know in the audiobooks but I have the recordings of me channeling And maybe one day we'll get those out there But - they're harder to listen to I expect especially when you're driving a car - on your way to work - Right The Book of Freedom It's funny It's very much - - about oh the Book of Freedom I'm confused with the Book of truth - - Book

of Freedom I think is where they're really preparing us for the upper room which is the release of the ties - to what we believe reality is supposed to be and who we're supposed to be in it So the claim I am free I am free I am free which is its own entunement which you can work with in a palpable way It's not just saying a bunch of words like a mantra It's a claim of truth And the guides say what is true is always true So the claim is made by the true self

or the monad or whatever you want to call it that aspect of you that knows itself as of source That aspect of you is always free because it can't not Be It can't be other than free And it's the realization of that aspect of self and manifestation that allows you to release in some ways I suspect the obligations to cultural reality - in - how we think we're supposed to operate within it I think I always talk about this movie The first time we ever think about reality as a whole was the matrix which was

that film that made society And as a general start questioning reality I mean as a simulation or non simulation - But - the concepts of reality were really truly not questioned in a mass way prior to that movie Is that a fair statement I suppose so I didn't I didn't see it I tried to I fell asleep It was on tv Fair enough And that's not to knock the movie It's just my attention span and I have friends It's like their favorite movies So I'm not dismissing it My understanding that reality wasn't what I thought

it was happened when I began to think that maybe there was something like God which was not part of the reality that I had experienced or known And if you think of being in a world where there is such a thing and there is not such a thing they're like being on two different planets - really It's a totally different way of being an experience I'm not talking about religion because I'm not religious truthfully I'm not good at that So that's how that shifted for me because I - began to think that if there is

something like God or whatever that is nothing is the way that I thought it was - And that just blew my mind I was 25 Oh God I was a year out of Yale I was sober Everybody I knew was dying around me It was the AIDS epidemic It was an awful crazy time But suddenly I was opening up to a very different world And that was hard and it wasn't easy and it wasn't sweetness and light and rainbows and crystals It was none of that It was like what the hell is this Because once

you begin to be able to feel energy - - everything changes You've got a tangible experience that - - there is more than what is seen And that flipped my world - - upside down I didn't expect it to happen and it was very exciting but it also meant Things were not as I had been taught or told And I do think that that's happening - at a larger level and not all for the best I think the guides I work with said in this book book of truth and this was - before - the

- 2016 election I think - right before that They said a lot in that book but they said something like everything that's been buried is about to come to the surface And if you think it's going to they said it's going to be like imagine - that your backyard is under an archaeological - excavation Things that were buried five days ago and 5000 years ago it's all going to come up And this isn't coming up so that you can point a figure and say look how terrible it's coming up because nothing gets healed until it's

seen Nothing gets transformed until it's brought to the light So what you put in the basement they said if you got a dead body in the basement eventually it's going to stink up the whole house So it's all coming up And they said pretty much - expect it to be a messy time And it has been and continues to be in some ways but that's part of it all I suspect Do you have any advice for people who are - coming to that same realization that you came to when you were 25 When you start

seeing that the things that you thought were - - real are not real the ideas and the concepts that you were taught - have been shifted Your whole perspective on life is changing - I agree with you It is not an easy process It's a sledgehammer It's not a soft hand by any stretch And it's hard for a lot of people And some people reject it Some people go - - deeper into the physical and reject - that it takes longer to come out What advice do you have God It depends on who somebody is

- right now Spirituality feels - in some ways like it's become fashionable And people look at it as a fashion and I think maybe that's a stage and people move through it into something that's got some more depth - or reality And I think people come to that when they have to I don't think many people I know - come to this because life is going so great It's usually when - the trap door opens and you go oh my God what now And you find yourself in some other - experience What I do suspect

is helpful is not to make other people wrong Don't use it as an opportunity - for separation and divisiveness That sort of low level stuff which - - know when I was coming into this stuff and I was studying energy know I would hear things like well the Reiki people are all about this and nobody speaks The Barbara Brennan people don't speak to anybody And this is all this in camps And then my favorite was - - about channeling I would hear I lived in New York in those days and said oh there's a Gabriel

teaching on the Upper west side but you really want to go to Brooklyn and hear the Michael because that's the really hot one And I'm thinking this is It's It's just silly and it's spiritual materialism - So I think that - people can get caught up in the need to be special with this I don't think that was ever helpful And I think that in some ways a willing heart - will carry one far You don't have to make this a big deal It is a big deal So just let yourself be in the process

whatever that is If you're waking up you've been asleep a long time It can be kind of startling But it doesn't have to be bad doesn't have to be scary - - It can be quite wonderful Yeah I mean the concepts of yoga and meditation and even spirituality 20 years ago is so different than it is today Now let me ask you do you meditate No - I should I do I mean I don't but I do I've gone through periods where I used to - and not a formal meditation but I was doing a

lot of energy work hours a day back when I was developing and somebody finally taught me TM - this year and I thought I would do it every day and I - don't - - So I don't know It's me My my my failure I suppose What I find fascinating about you Paul is that - the work that comes through you is very profound and yet you have personal problems with some of the work that comes through you And you have challenges with their own work - and things that it says of like I have

to figure this out myself It's a really fascinating duality - within you that things that come through you you - many times don't agree with or have problems with or have to figure out yourself And like I don't know what they said It's a fascinating thing You're not like I am the all powerful guru I am That's not who you are at all No And if anybody's channeling and saying they are I would question - the channeling Correct - I mean what a channel is really - true Channeling is stenography It's dictation word for word

We don't go back and edit the manuscripts and make them better and take out the words that might be misunderstood or offensive This is what it is and that's how it came And I've been fortunate to have publishers - who've agreed with that that we don't get to go back and tamper with it This is it - But I have this od experience I have been a writer with the worst writer's block of anybody I've ever met in my life It was a source of tremendous shame for many many years I'm not kidding Yeah I

know And now I've got - ten books in eleven years or something that my name is on the COVID that I didn't write but I'm party to it I'm participatory to the transmission and I'm grateful for that But I don't think of it as my I just I can't I question the teachings in the teachings I interrupt the dictations and guys will say paul is interrupting He has a question And I do that because I don't want to be responsible in some ways if they know the moon is made of green cheese I'm going to

say hey wait a minute how is that so - - And they do unpack - the teaching If I am confused and I hear that helps the readers but I'm really doing it for my own sense of - security I suppose and my own desire - not to be - - and this is important not to be - spreading anything that would be confusing or harmful I don't want to be party to that But you trust the channel enough to know that - whatever comes through you through them is not negative Absolutely But if you're

confused you're going to ask a question Yeah absolutely - And they've been wonderfully wonderfully consistent through me for all these years They don't contradict they're teaching in love they do not teach fear and they do not - override free will And those are things that I think are very important The concept of free will So much when you say that's again something I keep hearing again and again is the free will If we do come to this incarnation we do come to this world certain things are laid out for us Like I'm never going to

be an NBA player It's it's not going to be in the books I might want it And trust me I wanted to be a Miami dolphin when I was a kid too but it didn't work out So you can go down those directions But what I found is that if you start going down those directions you're just going to get obstacle upon obstacle upon obstacle It's going to get harder and harder and harder But when you start going down your true path doors start opening a lot easier Is that your experience as well It's my

experience yes The exact same things happened for you as well It's just because because everyone's like well if I had free will then I could go be an astronaut I'm like well go try Yeah But I think when I understand the guides talk a lot about will and - - grading the will and lots of stuff that they teach but - really you're making a choice If I say I want to do this that's a use of the will - I want to open up to my own spiritual nature That's a use of will -

and a high use of will I suspect - my guides they don't tell people what to do I'll often say if I want to walk into traffic I can walk into traffic If I say is this a good time to street They may say not wise which means it's still my choice But if I want to live with the ramifications of - an ill made choice I can do that I'll learn through that It's not that there's a right and wrong Now I'm going to ask you a couple of questions Ask all my guests What

do you believe your mission is here in this life I don't know You're cutting wood and carrying water pretty much right I do not know And - why do you think we're here I don't know either I would say to learn to experience - - to love to enjoy to realize all the things that being in a body and with other beings and bodies can afford And where can people find out more about you your work and your books My website which is just my name it's paulselig selig Com - and the books are online

and all the booksellers and bookstores I appreciate you being on the show I appreciate the work that you do And - you are a fascinating soul to say the least my friend So I appreciate - everything I appreciate you my friend Thank you for having me Enjoyed it Thanks for watching Click on one of the videos below to continue your journey and don't forget to subscribe