How To Awaken The Body’s Energy Field, “We Were Never Taught This!” | Dr. Sue Morter

You can't keep yourself from being the bigness that you truly are eventually we have to surrender to more of our magnificence than we currently have the bottom line is the closer we can get to operating as the true essential self the sooner we begin to navigate life from a perspective that is Rich and true and clear in Practical terms I'm teaching people how to work underneath the layer of the story of their lives into the raw Energy there's an area in our body that corresponds to every challenge that we have instead of asking why just

ask where in my body is this coming from and as we do drop in more deeply nothing but healing can happen instead of being Heaven and Earth there's only one thing happening here and it's good and it's you and it's unfolding and so let's embrace the wholeness of our being and let that be true and watch what happens in our lives changed [Music] dramatically Dr Su morar thank you for being here here oh my it's wonderful to be here thank you for having me this was absolutely beautiful a beautiful location beautiful to be with you

it's yeah the pleasure is mine I'm really looking forward to this conversation I feel like on the path of discovering who we are there's many different levels um at which we can look at the human being from and I always just love the first Principles thinking and trying to see what is like distilling down at our core who we are and I know so much of your work is like working with us at our most fundamental essential level at an energetic level which is really exciting to me um because all paths have value there's many

different ways up the mountain so to speak and yet um I really appreciate the directness of this path and so if you were to distill down your life's work what you feel like you're Here to do how would you explain that yeah so it's you know it it changes all the time I mean it doesn't change but it deepens all the time over the years there's just been an amazing um depth of field that has revealed itself in my life and I know that uh the bottom line is that the closer we can get to

operating as the true essential self the sooner we begin to navigate life from a perspective that is Rich and true and clear and free from The drama and even if there is an a circumstance that we would consider consider trauma we can navigate that from an entirely different perspective when we are not operating as the personality but rather are dropping deeper into really more of a Soulful presence and so uh in Practical terms I'm teaching people how to work underneath the layer of the story of their lives into the raw energy and how that energy

is moving and what it is Here revealing what it is trying to pierce through and bring to this life experience uh that we are having and the more people attune to that the more masterful they become at making choices that are in alignment with their highest good where their will becomes aligned with with more of a cosmic purpose and and process and so when that starts to enliven in someone they make choices that work for them that are sustainable For them that are healing for them not that they're setting out trying to heal themselves but

they're really coming to know themselves and as such things heal as a byproduct of that alignment so it's a it's a rich and beautiful thing that that is unfolding yeah and I love how you broke down from many different you know perspectives we're especially in the west hyper focused on the intellect and we try to solve our issues or perceive problems from the level of of The problems that um of where they exist and instead of solving problems we can dissolve them by working at a deeper level and so I love your framework of soul

body mind in a society again that is so focused on the analytical way of deducing things um working at the level of the mind to start with why is that an important reframe to go in that order when we start at Mind Body Soul we wrestle with the the conflict that generates that we mostly um step into Because of a disconnect that happens early upon our arrival here we could sort of land and splat and in the Splat and the dispersal we at where the mind and the body and the breath all Go in different

directions we attach to the Mind as a survival you know Instinct we're trying to uh figure out what you know what we should do how do we fit in all those all those survival instincts that that we bring forward and when we flip it over and recognize that starting With the true essence of who we are recognizing that the soul speaks to the body and the body speaks to the mind and if the mind will listen to the body it will be able to learn the language of the soul and that reintegration can occur so

it's sort of like just jumping through the threshold and just saying rather than trying to work to get somewhere why don't we just be there and start interpreting and processing life from that perspective we are Soulful Energy that has presented itself here and we have a body a mind to help us navigate the terrain we think we are a mind that has a body and a soul Spirit somewhere that is hanging out that I'll get to know someday and that perspective is the the cause of the suffering that is happening in our greater Humanity we

are sitting in the wrong seat so I just have people get up out of that seat come over and sit down in the the true seat of the soul and allow for An entirely different Viewpoint a vantage point that that stirs from the depths of our being different types of thoughts different types of ideas and Inspirations because they're based in the Stillness at the bottom of the river instead of the ripples that are occurring along the surface that that cause for our environment to have an effect a greater effect on our disposition than it than

it really needs to so by by flipping that around we're Able to truly set forth as the one who came as the one who is here for U the life experience that it that it came in to have rather than trying to figure that out for the rest of our lives yeah it's one of those things I think when people start to Embark Upon A Spiritual Journey and they for example maybe walk into a gift shop and they see the quote we are not human beings having a spiritual experience Are Spiritual Beings have any Human

Experience yeah And a lot of these sayings which you know sound really great on paper but what I love about so much of your work is breaking it down to really what it actually means and how our energetic system you know is made up and how this has been you know known for thousands of years and in a society that again doesn't really value the internal um inner contemplative practices and ways of understanding uh in these wisdom Traditions it can people can brush it to The side and so I I I love the groundedness and

practicality to to the work in which you bring in the East there's like kind of two ways of knowing in terms of their understanding from Vidya and Gan those are two terms that I really love to think about this from because we're all familiar with video which is more like book knowledge things we learn from a podcast like this um but Gan is like wisdom and and knowledge that can't be transmitted it's Experiential understanding and I think again a lot of what I what I hear and see write and talk about is this type of

knowing the type of experience that can't be necessarily logically deduced or explained but is a very real qualia it's a very real experience within human consciousness and so I think this podcast is going to really serve people to be able start to tap into that energy because that feel that exists to all of us um is such a more abundant place to Live life from I really love this quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson that says in the mind of geniuses we find our own neglected thoughts ah yes and it's speaking to this field of knowledge

um that we can all tap into um that is available to us all and so how would you think about that kind of switch from only valuing knowledge that is of the intellect to a deeper sense of knowing that um maybe isn't empirically rationalized as often often uh but is Nonetheless uh more valuable I think it's the most brilliant choice that a person can make to even allow themselves to honor these deeper knowings that are coming through every one of us um above and beyond even their educated mind and what they've come to know so

much of what we're programmed to think and and process in certain ways uh limits our perceptive field in so many we are we're tapping upon circuits that are wiring together and we're running on these These educated programs that have every opportunity to cause us to override this deep wisdom that's trying to rise within each of us and the wisdom isn't just our own personal experienced wisdom it is the wisdom it's ancestral wisdom it is truly Cosmic intelligence that is trying to come through this body as a Gateway into this life experience we when we look

at what science would say that there are billions of bits of information bombarding us every Millisecond onto this field that is churning and turning in this toric field movement is taking that information and processing it and allowing it to reveal forward into the projection onto a movie screen that we're walking into every day of our lives and if we're only operating on the level of our educated mind we miss billions of bits of of information that are trying to be translated through this body that is built for this uh through the process of what we

know as Epigenetics these little antennas that are on the surface of every cell in our body these antennas are picking up on information from our environment and that information is not the educated mind that information is this Cosmic intelligence the universal intelligence the immaculate mind is this and so these little antennas pick up on this energy translate it as a in message form to the internal workings of the cell that they're attached to which produces Certain chemistries neurotransmitters Etc that rise give a bubbling up to the surface of our awareness influencing the kinds of thoughts

that we think the kinds of Impressions that we have the interpretations of the circumstances that we're experiencing Etc so if we're dialing into the deep Core Body we're going to be enhancing and magnifying this Ripple up effect this this Gathering and rising of this deeper intelligence that allows for us that is Combined with wisdom and beauty and a greater love it's not just information by the time it passes through our gut brain and the brain and our heart and is being filtered and influenced through what has meaning to us it develops its animation in a

richness that gives us life power to choose toward what is beautiful and good and true and full and abundant instead of choosing toward what is smart and survival based and going to get me ahead and and get me by and so When an individual gives themselves permission to listen within they're actually in touch with billions times more information than the Mind alone can hold through its education and its reverence in reference to the things that we have been taught it plays a role it's just not enough to give us the whole experience that we're capable

of having otherwise we start racking our brains for the smart thing to do and what what is next and trying to push the River in the ways that are controlling of something that if we would learn to surrender to it instead and collaborate with it we would have the life that that mind alone is so desperate seeking and trying to generate for itself so my short answer is great idea I think it's a great idea that someone would surrender and let something other than you know their educated mind um have way with them yeah I

think of how often we suffer what is an incredible immense Gift you know like our memory and our imagination make us unique on this planet and our capacity for both you know and they animate what it is to be human in so many ways but yet we it's like holding a knife from the sharpen instead of the handle like we're holding these incredible things wrong we're so overly identified with our intellectual thought thoughts and and mind and um and so putting it back in its right place is the invitation here and it's tough to do

That when we're so overly identified with our five sensory experience missing all these other billion bits of information that uh is so powerful and has immense answers for our life and can point us in directions and I just think of how often we're missing what is just around the corner of like great gifts and opportunities and people we can meet and healing like spontaneous healing miraculous moments from uh going inwards um and So I suppose when you think about how enchanting our five sensory experience is that plugs us into this reality which is incredible and

amazing and so helpful uh but it also uh it can be very ucer if we don't also turn the Gaze inwards what do you think about that kind of dichotomy well it is it's this both and right it's like when we start to recognize what you're what you're describing and we want to uh I know for me 25 years ago when I first Started meditating and coming into another realm and then these exalted experiences started happening multi-dimensional you know transcendental experiences that were occurring I immediately wanted to just meditate all the time I just like

let this world go let me drop in this beautiful space that I was discovering and the Realms that it had to offer and hu huge openings were happening that were blowing my circuits that My Five Senses were used to operating on so I had no choice I couldn't use them for a while I would there were times that I couldn't get out of bed because the vibration was so intense and so Blissful and so beautiful I didn't want to get out of bed but when I did have to go back to the clinic and be

you know working with patients and and managing life in in those terms I um I would had to be very selective in how I you know went about doing that in ways that were Comforting to the system that was trying to adapt to this what I came to know was that you know the the uh embodiment of what I was experiencing in these transcendental States was only made possible when I would engage in the outer world to to its most refined capacity I could sit and meditate and enjoy all sorts of Realms and when it

comes time to get out into the world you know it's it's we have to infuse that light or that energy into the circuits That we're used to running on with our five senses and as a byproduct those five senses get uplevel and we become enhanced in a totally different way and when someone is able to blend both sets of circuits into one we start to move as the bridge between the worlds recognizing that there's really only one world here we just were leaving half of it out more than half of it out but a portion

of it out as we were trained to operate on our five Senses because our parents and their parents and their parents were're doing the same so the idea of Two Worlds becoming one is simply Awakening to the fact that we were limiting and marginalizing the greater part of who we are so by bringing them together it is instead of being Heaven and Earth it's like heaven Earth it's like there's only one thing happening here and it's good and it's you and it's unfolding and so let's embrace the wholeness of our being And let that be

true and watch what happens in our lives they they change dramatically I think so much of the path is the uh integration and synthesis between the two of a heightened sense of experience or state awareness and then the integration of that awareness and you had um a very prominent and I'm sure have had many um expanded State experience that kind of blew you out of your waters for you know lack of a better term I would love for you if You're open into sharing you know cuz that was really such a big uh you know

cataclyst for all the work that you've been doing over the past couple decades so would you share that initial story like what happened to you sure totally blew my socks off I if I was wearing socks at the time I don't remember but I um I had a a desire to learn to meditate because I was getting migraine headaches I was treating patients in the clinic all the time I was just feeling like There was something on the top of my head that was a ceiling that wasn't supposed to be there I just had this

sensation all the time and then I started getting migraine headaches and I was missing work couple days a week just because of the pain now when I would go to the clinic I could help people with their migraine headaches but uh then I would wake up you know a few days later and just not be able to get out of the bed that it was so intense dark room Lights out curtains drawn that that that kind of state and so I was drawn to to meditate and I was actually attempting to meditate as a means

of managing a pain pattern and so I went into this meditative you know Place into a state with a with a group of people I um had had heard about and I instantly in these guided meditation started having transcendental experiences to to the point that I knew that this this was Something here for me and it was more than I bargained for but it was I knew and so I went a couple of times this teacher was visiting was from out of the country and I I found out where they were going to be next

and went and about the third time that I sat down into um you know a meditative State I I had a an instant opening to an an entirely different realm I instantly was exalted above the Earth the Earth was beneath me so far it was about the size of a marble And I was embedded into it I was me but I wasn't a I wasn't in a body I was a ray of light and I I was in a light so brilliantly bright it was 10 times brighter than the brightest day in the desert that

I had ever seen and um yet I wasn't trying to get away from it or Shield myself from it I just was open and in it and so incredibly free and I could see 360° actually spherically around me um there was a beautiful pink iridescent Horizon between this brilliantly bright light and a very bright light below this Horizon and every time I took a breath this this Horizon would rise like this pink iridescent blanket of something and I knew that this light was becoming love of as it was passing through this system that I was

and that every time I took a breath the degree to which I could take a breath would determine how much of this light was moving through me and it was coming to the planet and you know Feeding the planet in some way now this wasn't induced by anything it was just it was just Consciousness doing this thing and I the most important thing for me in the moment was I knew that uh I had always been there it this was the truth of who I was it was like oh oh this is what's really going

on and I knew that this life in this body was something I was projecting in into this this other dimension as an experience to bring this light that I was into the Place that this physical existence was operating as there was nothing missing there was nothing broken there was nothing to become there was nothing to achieve to accomplish it was holy whole just completely complete and most importantly I knew that every one of us was this and it was reflecting of the Eternal nature of who and what we truly are as presence of light coming

into form bringing the light on this Frontier of consciousness if you will Some sort and I came down out of that um experience and opened my eyes and this teacher was sitting you know in the front of the room and locked on to me with this huge smile totally knowing you know what had happened now I should have set this up a little better beforehand uh I was being asked to do things by this teacher um you know I was an achiever and I was you know trying to do everything right and she was on

to me so she gave me a list of things to do that Were literally impossible to do in the amount of time that she gave me to do them and you know at some point I just got completely frustrated running around behind the scenes while everybody else was here in this beautiful meditative Retreat and I finally just you know put the list down which is very unusual for me um and just walked into the room and you know just said the heck you know it was a little more explicit than that but the heck with

whatever is going on I'm Just going to go sit and meditate with everybody else and so I was claiming something for myself in a way that hadn't been the case in my life and and we were chanting and so I was regulating all sorts of things that I now know what was happening but I didn't at the time I was just innocently purely in a devotional State trying to open up to something that was calling me very deeply and and so then I sit down and and chanting And then boom that's when this big opening

happens and so I knew in that moment um that she knew that she got me you know she she broke the pattern enough that I was available and I was surrendered into what was truly trying to happen and come through my system that I could awaken to and and so as I you know as as the weeks and months and years would pass I became very devoted to discovering how you know unpacking how did that happen how do I recreate That for myself how do I share that with others and you know what is it

what's the purpose and what's really going on here so it became a beautiful conversation that just started unfolding with my patients and clients and then people started asking me to come and you know speak to their groups and and so on and and it has become a you know a global conversation just based upon these openings that we can generate for ourselves uh and I find that as with Experiences like that as with the science that we can study what really matters is the wisdom to integrate them and to infuse them together otherwise it's just

information or something that we're seeking to try to accomplish or achieve or to acquire or to arrive at and it's it's it's about neither it's about all of that and you your purpose what you're doing here what it is that you are here to feel into to awaken to and ultimately to bring into This reality as the gift that we are on this Frontier that we're on so so so that's a lot it's pretty cool cool I I could you know I imagine people listening to this maybe be like oh I want an experience like

that and what's interesting is that it was the lack of the eye seeking for an experience that was where that experience was born out of you know for for you yes and I'm just curious after that experience because When you when you have a truly transformative experience you know like transformation is when a seed turns into a tree like they don't really resemble each other at all you know there's traces of each other and both but one thing transmutes into another and having a taste of your true nature that is beyond the intellect um where

you viscerally feel it um the Oracle in The Matrix says from your balls to your bones you know it's like right you you Is it true knowing um that changes us on contact immediately you know and and I think of how important creating an environment and conditions and spiritual practice is in our life to get us to that point where we have that taste the experiential knowing beyond the mind and how that is worth infinitely more than reading a thousand books on the topic yes you know indeed different world uhuh and so I'm curious after

that process both what do you feel like shifted in You energetically and how did you try if you did to understand what happened after that I was obsessed with figuring out how did that happen and how can I do that again I just knew that I was supposed to know that and so it became very internal inquiry based it was I had one eye on the inside all the time every time I was working with someone I started teaching meditation experiences for people teaching classes training people how to surrender into That deep space so that

this could unfold and uh it it it was very interesting the the experiences themselves didn't change me they they awakened what was possible in me in a way that I wasn't aware of I I didn't even know to try for something like that you know I had I I had friends that I was meeting that were meditators for 30 years and talking about all sorts of experiences but I had no knowing that there was some goal that I was shooting For called Enlightenment or you know some kind of uh additional realm I was just trying

to get rid of my headaches you know I was just like whatever I didn't know and so having that Awakening these realizations had an impact on my perceptive field of what is possible or who we really are but as far as it changing my headaches or healing other things that it came to heal um it wasn't until I focused on Embodiment that anything actually transitioned in my life transformed in my life in any appreciable amount other than the fact that I was walking around with my mouth hanging open about do you have any idea what's

really going on here do you have any idea what's really going on here it's like no so so what happened was I recognized that by getting more in my body with what I now was aware of and with the frequencies that were now running more enlivened in My system I started healing not only my headaches but I was born with a scoliosis and this scoliosis started healing I started sitting in meditation my body would start to rotate it would just want to turn as if it wanted it to turn all the way around so I

finally figured out that I could let it turn all the way around with my Consciousness even though the physical body wasn't but then something would unwind physically inside my system and as the as the Months would progress it would vary in different levels of my body where rotations or side bendings or I would be in this in the middle of a deep state of meditation and all of a sudden my body would just fold over just just rapidly fold over and then want to rotate and rise up in a in an entirely different fashion and

I started to know what was happening I knew that it was unwinding the distortions in the field that were there as I was born there in my mother's Womb there as a you know a point of my my coming in to do such things it I didn't know at the time which or if both were involved but but I knew that some Distortion in my own field was being corrected and what happened was curvatures in my spine were corrected because I was allowing this breath to guide what was happening as I was in a meditative

state but learning how to be in my body at the same time prior to that I would shoot up and out and go on These all sorts of exotic experiences through the Ethereal Realms and have all sorts of experiences happening uh after that initial big one it was like the floodgates opened and I was going on a ride every time I closed my eyes it seemed like and yet it didn't change my life until I focused on drawing myself more deeply and anchoring myself um in the body as such the body field began to adapt

to the Perfection that is occurring as it's pouring into this Dimension it was as if I was allowing that perfecting template to drop more deeply into the physical Dimension because of my surrender because of my awareness you know I was raised in in a family of quantum science my father was a Pioneer in Energy Medicine and he was also a chiropractor and I went to school and became a chiropractor so I was very educated in the physiology and anatomy and the the neurofunction that happens in the body and natural healing so that Was my come

from when all of this came together so I was able to support what was going trying to happen through me and as a byproduct of that um I turned on A Healer within my system that hadn't been enlivened before so not only did the the migraines heal the scoliosis heal itself also when I would go through an incident or an injury of some sort I broke I broke uh bones twice in the in the next couple of years that happened and um not big fractures but Compression fractures that would have been isolated and casted and

those kinds of things and I was able to just work right through it with yoga and meditation and without having to go through the traditional means I feel younger I'm have an endless supply of energy that is always available to share this information with people and to move through my life and uh all of it is because truly I know uh of embodying these higher frequencies of energy on a Little bit more and a little bit more on a little bit more of a conscious level and that we each have the capacity to do this

is is the driving force in my life to just to just compelled to share and to to turn that on for people because it's it's been an amazing transformation in my life yeah that transformation I can only imagine how it you know directly inspires you to support people with that process because when you experience a Truth that's deeper than the previous one you were living you're like well why don't we work at a deeper level almost like Russian dolls that are nested in each other um instead of again working with our problems at the level

of the story in which they exist um working at the things that enable them at a deeper level and I think of like the the five sheaths or koshas and the yogic tradition of understanding you know we in the west think we have like a mind we Have a body and like that's pretty much kind of it right and starting to look at these contemplative practices and yogic science es that have been sharing for thousands of years how we have many different kinds of bodies from the anamaya kosha which is our food body to our

energetic and mental body to our Bliss body and the caal caal body um and so how do you how do you think of that when we really kind of lack the scientific external instrumentation to Be able to sort of validate these things but we are gaining more and more the capacity to kind of do that from the outside in but from the inside we can experience these different bodies and so what do you think of that like how do you see the human being as it is in their kind of the she of the bodies

in which they exist yes you know I completely um know how valuable it is for someone to come to know these components of our Being if if science hasn't measured those frequencies to perfectly align with what the wisdom of the ages has provided in eastern culture it it's only a matter of time you know science 100 years ago couldn't tell us that there was anything in between the particles of an atom there there was there was no way to know it was just empty space and now we know there's an entire universe going on in

that empty space and and that actually we reside there and so it's Just a matter of time you know I can tell you that as my own third eye was opening I began to have access to a structure an anatomy a sacred architecture on the interior of my system that I could see I could see these images as my eyes would close I could see these these structures that were actually what I now then later equated were cross-sections or or um experiences of the tissues that are or orchestrated in this Divine system that we are

physiologically and I was witnessing these structures from the inside from the inside seeing it and because I used to wonder you know how did they know uh about these things before there was the technology to dissect the human system and really see what was there with our five senses and what I know is that these seers were able to perceive our internal anatomy and the functionality of it uh before we had microscopes and Before we were into surgical procedures to uh to do so and the beauty of this is this allseeing eye that is multi-dimensional

this third eye this pineal functionality allows us to truly be here and be there and be there and be there simultaneously as it it as it turns on and can be integrated and supported by the other circuitry that we're used to running on so regarding the koshes as you're referencing them I know that we begin as anandaya kosha That we are Bliss at our foundation I know this firsthand this when I was in these most exalted States for the first time I was in such a state of bliss I didn't care if I ever pluged

then My Five Senses again it was like do not talk to me do not do not get me out of this bed do not do not pull me out of meditation I am I am in the truth and it is I'm good don't worry about me and they're like no you have to eat you know we have to be care we have to be sure That you're okay and we have instructions to take care of you and I'm like I'm fine for real I'm fine and so you know then the witness this observing self is

is next in priority and that's next layer out is that and it is only then thereafter that we develop thoughts and emotions and and responses to this the ripple effect to this deep sense of of Ananda of bliss that we truly are then it further differentiates out into the systems the channels of energy Flowing Etc and then all the way out to our survival self that's engaging here in the physical world with our instinctive responses but this whole spirit being that is deeper than that is what these layers of our being are are are speaking

of charting for us so while science isn't measuring those directly we do have the ability to measure the difference between being in the pure presence versus thinking versus Actioning Etc we know they're in different vibration frequencies and you know the key to to us in this discussion is that we come to know each of those vibrational frequencies of ourselves because when we know them we can manage them when we know them we can orchestrate not to control them but to allow them to collaborate and to contribute to what we see when we look out into

the world if I know myself as a n that has a ability to Have Consciousness observing and stewarding this out into the physical world I approach the physical world differently than if I think I'm of that physical world trying to find my Ananda someday right so the person who is seated out in these outer Realms and and we all are to some degree as that's why we're here working it out discovering how to build the circuitry to infuse and to integrate and to embody all of it and the parts of us if the greater part

of Us is seated as the personality the protective personality the Performing personality the the one who struggles or is trying to you know live to fight another day kind of thing is is is up for a beautiful Awakening when we begin to find these deeper and deeper layers if one at a time or if all at once in some you know big opening like I had doesn't matter that what matters is that we know that there is there are these multiple dimensions of me and that I am By my true nature intended to know them

all I'm not asking for Something Out Of Reach or out of touch or it isn't um um inappropriate for me to um to know to sense and to feel and to pursue it's our destiny to do so and to to give permission for that to happen is one of the greatest things that we would do that we could possibly do so so lastly if if if there's a scientific mind listening you know the the greatest thing that we can do is to surrender That for just a moment and explore who was I before I needed

evidence who was I before uh the thoughts that that would make a distinction between two different worlds who was I before that separation because the truth is we come from that which is undivided so somewhere along the line we divided it and we didn't do it consciously but it happens by nature of coming here and it's part of the game is to put it back together again is to pull it back together and to let all of That become me and the individual who's not scientific based and avoids science and it's like no no no

no no I just want to I just want to meditate and I just want to love you I just want to be um is onto it but if they don't engage these other sets of circuits then we have to stay on the mountain top we can't come down into the village and make a difference in the world and have all of the full experience that we're capable of um until we Infuse it into a both and Of some sort that a long answer to your question that was great no that was all all needed all

all amazing yeah I I think of what this perspective does in terms of how it translates to how we look at our body and the root causes of disease and illness and I remember in my conversation with rers Spire I think we talked about how suffering is the cost of admission for the illusion of Separation like this perceiving us a separate divided s is useful for being In this realm um but you're inviting the perspective to come back to realize the Oneness that we're actually a part of there's no necessarily clear boundary between me and

the external World from an energetic standpoint absolutely also biologically you know there is no actual separation even though it really looks like it um and so when when you when you're talking about this how does that change what we look at DIS how do how we look At disease how we look at the body um when you're inviting this perspective of more of a root cause and working things at a more fundamental level how does that change things so I used to get a Bronco infection every winter every time it was always happened count on

it year after year after year after year and as this began to happen not only the headaches and the scoliosis but those kinds of patterns just started to diffuse they just dissolved there There wasn't a sense of self that belonged to the world where that would happen every winter and and that sense of self was reigned was just adjusted differently and I know that even when someone begins to uh to deepen their inquiry or to feel into their their the depths of their being these types of patterns begin to shift because we hold on to

the patterns of who we think we are as a means of stabilizing ourselves because we're Pretty vast we're pretty big and here we are coming into this physical Dimension and we land we Splat we don't know who we are so we're like holding on to whatever we can grip whatever we can and as such we become attached to beliefs and ideas and images of who and what we think we are and life is ETC and so in order to deepen we have to soften that grip to be able to drop in and and that that

is where you know many people are operating in an attempt to navigate you Know is it this or is it that and the answer is yes it is this and it is that it is the depths of our being and it is the the the the patterns that we're here to dissolve and as we do drop in more deeply nothing but healing can happen it has to happen because we're not holding on to the Distortion and so we're allowing the perfecting field that is pouring through this system always uh to to pour without disturbing it

without distorting it and as those distortions Diminish the flow of this energy bioenergetically the energy as it moves through body form the essence the spirit what what however you would reference it as it moves through this this body form it begins to generate a a perfecting um presence so healing happens as a byproduct of this you know someone can go to the doctor and be given a diagnosis and uh it might not be a comfortable diagnosis one that they're now realizing they're going to have to Make some decisions about course of action that they're going

to take and some people in that moment walk out of that office and I used to see this in my clinic all the time often um they would walk out of the the clinic not our clinic but a clinic where they received a diagnosis about a chronic degenerative disease or um you know a serious serious life-threatening condition and and they would hit the door and walk out toward their car and Say that is not my story it is not going to happen to me that is not my path this is not true for me they

weren't trying to control it they just somehow knew that that was not going to be their path and I've had patients clients that were working with months to live that 15 years later are having conversation about what happened within them that shifted in that moment what was it that took place that allowed them to release the individual who worked its way into That diagnosis and to be able to know that there was another version of themselves even if they didn't know what it was but they knew it and I've also had you know patients that

that were completely intimidated and buckled over by that same kind of diagnosis that that took them down a path of lots of different um modalities to address the symptoms um trying to address the cause but not ever getting to it they would show up in my clinic Wanting um solutions that they hadn't found through the other the traditional means that they had pursued and finally recognizing that it was ultimately a decision about surrendering into a deeper version of themselves that that would allow for healing to finally take place that it was a surrender into a

version of themselves that they had they had no intellectual understanding of they had no uh awareness of its existence until they began to just drop In and as such they were able to stabilize there letting go of some of the things they were holding on to before which allowed the whole thing to turn inside out this situation the system to now start functioning the way that it was intended to function as a self-healing self-regulating self-illuminating system of multi dimensionality of multi you of divine proportion should say hey fam you've probably heard me Share about how

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you dig it back to the show yeah the Western Medical system has bared so many incredible fruits and yet uh the moment we identify with the diagnosis uh is is almost in many ways concretizing it in in our reality and you know we know how just the mere Thought of something can turn on our sympathetic system right we can become stressed out Simply by thinking of something just like we can become aroused by thinking of something you know so we understand how the our thoughts affect our physiology and our body but you're kind of inviting

a like even go one more step out like there are these energetic patterns in our circuitry um in our deeper sense of self-identity beliefs which are later Down the Cascade affecting our physiology creating disease um which we might be you know diagnos as a certain illness or cancer which immense compassion for anybody who gets that it's like a very confusing and difficult thing to wrestle with but it is an empowering thing to see okay to heal something you really need to address it at the root cause you know if you if a tree has leaves

that are dying and turning brown no matter how much spray Paint of of green spray paint you put on the leaves it's not going to heal it right it might look like it for a while until we under you know heal the underlying root issues um and so that's why I really love the feeling code in your book and what you share as well to work and and ask when resistance comes up in our in our day day-to-day life it might not be this dense gross diagnosis but the simple resistance or stressors that come up

to not ask why but to ask Where and to work with the it at the level sensation on the body so can you share a little bit more about how you think about that um in that process sure there's an area in our body that is that corresponds to every challenge that we have every time we bump up against something and we feel overwhelmed by it or we feel consumed by our circumstances or could even be a diagnosis um when we receive information or think thoughts on our own uh if those are thoughts or Experiences

of intimidation where we feel buckled over we want to withdraw or or we feel charged or triggered in some way it is because of a lack of circuitry in place energetically that isn't allowing this entire toic field system that I briefly mentioned earlier to do its thing it's not allowed to flow in the way that it's intended to uh think of it like a pothole in the highway you got to drive around it and so we drive around these gaps in the highway um as This highway is trying to rise up through our system we

divert around them but the Diversion the constant diversion creates a wobble in the rising energy of the way this system is designed to be functioning for instance the energy is supposed to rise from tailbone up through your up through your central Channel through the shashina through the spinal column you can think of it that way and exhale out the crown and and then it runs around the outside of the Body and re-enters in the body at the at the level of the tailbone and comes up again and just is recycling constantly it's constantly pouring in

from overhead and going all the way through what would become a body it hits the Earth and turns is stepped down for human consumption and it rises up through this toric field Recycling and Recycling and recycling this system is the Master System of our body it develops all the other systems and that differentiate Into an immune system and a digestive system and a respiratory and a cardiovascular all of these systems are an offshoot of this basic foundational energetic system flow called this toric field and so that Uprising energy has to come up on a smooth

Highway if we're ever going to transcend the Primitive brain and get up into the highb brain centers where we can relate to a life that works a life that is beautiful and good and sharing and communicative and Free and embracing and an expression of ourselves as the divine presence on the planet okay so that system is supposed to be working however if we have areas that we've shut down in the course of Our Lives where we tried to love and it didn't work out boom we shut down in this heart area or we tried to

trust our gut and it you know it flopped or didn't work uh for whatever reason boom we shut down in this feeling area of the body variety infantism VAR variety of ways That these interruptions can occur the bottom line is if this Rising energy is diverting through all these areas where the circuits are shut down it creates a wobble and that wobble of the rising energy creates a distortion in the field now I'm standing here sitting here in a distorted field looking out into a world that I see in a distorted fashion and I see

that it's all out to get me nobody cares it's all you know I gotta it's all up to me I got to carry the weight of The world in my back whatever it might be the ways that we selft talk will reveal to us the distortions that exist in our field so in the feeling code what we're doing is saying you know instead of jumping up into your head when something has a hold of you and saying why do you do that or what's wrong with me why do I do this all the time instead

of asking why just ask where in the body do I sense a charge do I feel a tightness in my gut or my throat or my Chest and or if I don't feel anything if I just ask the question where in my body is this coming from and my mind because mind body and breath are actually one thing they're just differentiated into different vibrational frequencies of the one system it's automatically going to respond as soon as you ask your mind all of the sudden will be in your throat or your mind all a sudden will

be paying attention to your solar plexus or in your heart or in your gut in some way These different energy centers are representing different levels of consciousness so if we just ask okay where in my body could I build the circuits to better be able to hand this situation right so it's immediately going to answer it's like thought you'd never ask it's right here it's that lump in your throat that you've been trying to get away it's that not in your stomach you've been trying to get rid of forever or whatever so what I then

do Have have people do is hug the area that their mind just went to or if they feel some charge in the body and then I teach them how to Anchor themselves in the body so that they can do this with stability and consistency and reproducibility and and while they're hugging that particular area on the inside just kind of gently squeezing the muscles around the area and start breathing up and down this Central Channel what begins to Happen is their Consciousness instead of moving around this area starts to feel comfortable moving through the area and

we're actually learning to draw the breath right through the areas that we've been sidest stepping um that have been contributing to our longstanding issues our longstanding things that we avoid our long-standing triggers or charges that exist in our lives we start filling in the gaps so that we are more comfortable with more of Life As We Are Intended to be and because we're taking the Distortion out of the field by taking the wobble out of this really this drive shaft of the whole thing that is this Central Channel this River of Life that was you

know referenced in in in India as the shishna and as the the god Habi in Egypt that was even before um you know predating these these kinds of studies of the development of Consciousness that were happening in Ancient India they were Dawning in Ancient Egypt and so right in that era those eras I should say uh we were gifted with the ability to adapt immediately based upon our external environment to build the more highly functioning system in here that allows us to proceed here in this Dimension as the full capacity of of a of a

higher realm being that we are a Quantum being a a Divine being however one likes to think about it it's it's all one it's it's all One thing that is being spoken about in different ways right yeah so I think of like a crink in a hose where it takes more energy for that water to push through and that's going to create resistance think of like our body as a vehicle and I think of like an actual car vehicle and how if there's you know uh there is not properly oiled for example or if there's

a misalignment in the wheel rotation it's it's requiring more energy to do the same job um and And so yeah these like uh diversions in our energy field take more energy to uphold which uh gives us life less life life force energy for all of our organs to function and to just like and live and um and so I'm I'm curious what do you think like what advice would you give to somebody that's finding persistence and some sort of resistance in their body like for example I kind of had this like right shoulder thing for

a while and kind of my right side some More tension and I've done a lot of body work and I think I've gotten I made some progress with it I feel like there's deeper energetic things that are of course like we're speaking to must be tied to it and so you you said instead of asking why ask where so I can you know feel where the resistance is in the body hug it energetically like you're speaking to give attention to it um and is there anything else that you would provide as like an immediate practice

or Just direction to explore for somebody that wants to like get deeper into dissolving kind of isue get into that yes so you know it when we when we say where in the body could I build the circuits if if I just want to clarify this that you might feel resistance in this area already but that's not what I'm speaking about where else in the body could I build some circuits that would facilitate the infusion of my full life force to move through this area and Not get blocked in it so it your attention might

take you to the pelvic floor it might take you to your solar plexus seemingly completely unrelated to the right upper body shoulder area but very much related to why the energy isn't flowing through that area as freely as it could so so be be allowing of it to to your attention to go completely to some other part of the body when you're asking the question where in the body could I build the Circuitry or kind of build a bridge through a pothole kind of thing a crevice or to open something that's been overly contracted elsewhere

in the body that might be contributing to this symptom pattern that you're experiencing so always stay aware in that way that it could be completely removed to to the from the symptom area that we're experiencing the energy blockage um another thing that comes to mind instantly when it's when it's shoulders And neck and arms and hands and wrists and elbows Etc this is you know this is our our manifesting our offering uh come to the world comes this way and so if if it's on the right side of the body it has a lot to

do do with uh my freely offering my gifts and talents and all that I am here to bring without Reserve without hesitation if it was on the other side it would be more about I'm just not receiving I'm just not accepting I'm just not embracing or Maybe I don't know or I'm frustrated with not knowing kind of what I'm here to do and that kind of thing so in what you're describing just with very little that I know about the whole picture I would say that why while you're sitting to ask this question about where

in the body uh I would include and Infuse some thoughts about all of the ways that I'm to be expressing and sharing my offering into the world um if you're in debate about any part of that um take your foot Off The Brak take your foot off the clutch and let Just Let It Roll Just Let it Flow because everything boils down to Consciousness truly I mean it's what science is showing us today is that the foundation of our reality is energy that is awake it's it it's Consciousness it's based in Consciousness itself and that

this reality this agreed upon reality that we are living in is exactly that we're just projecting it into this movie that we're all participating in and as Such we have aspects of that reality that we fully Embrace and aspects that we're trying to step into trying to allow to be true for us too to the majority of the time if not preverbal and pre-mobile they go back to before you're 10 years old likely before you're 5 years old something establishing that is why you came but initially was interpreted as a resistance a rejection of something

a a pullback a retreat from until you got your bearings and if all That went in at a subconscious level and then this trap door slams shut because it was overwhelming until the Trap door opens we can't get to that pattern and unpack it we can't get there with our mind we have to get there with the feeling self yeah and so uh I would just add that you know you have amazing energy you have amazing Brilliance you're you have it going on so I could totally see that that there would be this running Question

of H should I bring everything that I know out as far as it can go because of wanting to be whatever respectful or being tandem with life in some way Etc and those subtle and beautiful intentions can be what what sets us back and stops the energy from flowing exactly as freely and potently as it can and and shall it's your destiny you can't you can't keep yourself from being the bigness that you truly are even if you you give it a good Shot for several decades eventually eventually we have to surrender and just let

it be a little bit more and a little bit more and this is true for everyone it's true for all of us eventually we have to surrender to more of our magnificence than we currently have and as we do it it unbinds this energy and lets it lets it flow you know it's like what you mentioned earlier there's this governing thing and our five senses have served us well to figure out where is The self so that I can figure out and anchor myself here and then I have to forget that self so that I

can a bigger self you know and let this one come through and Infuse it s into this five sensory being that we thought we were and it's like wow how does it all happen but it will happen and it does happen and as it happens the experience of and I work with a lot of people all the time in large groups of people and uh and in smaller intimate groups over the years And with individuals for many many years um it always boiled down to there's I'm I'm more better than I thought I was basically

you know there's more going on here not from an egoic sense but from a deeper level of full-on acceptance of what I'm doing here what I'm made of and and what I'm here to bring to this project Awakening for Humanity so yeah I mean it emanates off of you it's like I canot feel the of Your being so I say you know just embrace it thank you I appreciate that and received and uh just as a side also reflected back to you I you meet so many people in the podcast space and interesting characters and

um there's that saying those who know knows who know like you know uh peace knows peace Stillness knows Stillness and clear energy knows clear energy and so it's it's just a privilege and an awesome Chance to meet you and have you in the studio and everything jooy to be here yeah there's that saying our job is not to feel good but to get good at feeling and I'm just curious how you think about the emotional body and and emotions and how they lead to physiological dysfunction and how there's parts of us that are just yearning

to be felt fully because I've had many friends who' have like had psoriasis or like a Arash or Like some sort of persistent you know thing happening with their body and they did like an emotional Rel releas session or they they they fully felt something and then instantly within overnight or a couple days it like completely goes away which just seems like a miracle but it's just it's just how things function and so uh any other thoughts of how like emotions tie into that process absolutely you know this feeling code uh that you referenced in

the book is about Allowing people to move from emotional states to feeling States think of it like we're designed to be in this feeling State we're supposed to be present with self constantly all of it we were supposed to be you know raised and in in a culture that was doing that and the indigenous peoples were much more inclined to this and you know we've just been carried away for many reasons outside of that of that system of that flow and so what happens when we're not Using that bandwidth of energies that is the emotional

body when we're not using it the way that it was meant to be used which is the feeling body if we're if we're not using it as a feeling body and sensing and perceiving all parts of self and embracing them and and noticing when we start to withdraw when we're you know just a toddler that that we're in environments that teach us to not withdraw but to just open your heart and lean right back into that and keep going If we're not taught to do that we shut down the system we sort of regulate it

down into a lower vibrational expression of itself and so this feeling body in a lower vibrational expression of itself comes out as emotion it's like a default system so that if I'm not paying attention to the felt sense of Truth as it's moving through me and I shut it down I'm going to have an emotional reaction and if I gather enough of those emotional reactions I'll eventually have An emotional Outburst or breakdown and in the midst of the emotional Outburst or breakdown I have a possibility of dropping back into that deep sense of feeling that

will actually be the healer and so so by default we end up having these emotional breakdowns or what have you that bring us into our heart Buckle us over send us you know to um to the bed or to you know to something to seeking some sort of reprieve and and by Design it's going to default and open us Back up into our feeling self we're just going to lay there and feel sorry for ourselves even if we're feeling sorry for ourselves we're at least we're feeling instead of instead of constantly shoving it under and

you know just just in a in a modality of survivorship moving past it and sweeping it under the rug so what we're doing is saying let's feel more so when we learn to do that consciously and intentionally there is an experience of deep Joy it's Not that you don't have emotion for goodness sakes it's there we're made of bliss we're meant to be experiencing Joy right and if we release those layers and drop into the true self it's the Healer and it's joyful and it's and it is Ananda it's this true Essence and in that

healing State you know skin issues digestive issues sinus issues headaches that's what it was for me um they disappear because we're dropping into the true self And allowing for that full expression to continue to do its thing out through the layers of all of our all of the layers of our being right out to the surface of uh of our physiology and so um I think that feeling is um one of the most potent things it is the most potent thing I would say that we can do on a physical level to open the floodgates

for this this Continuum this Quantum flow that is trying to happen through us as it is through everything as it is Through the trees and through you know the the fauna and Flora on our on our beautiful planet it's it's happening without interference so it can be also that for us so there's a yeah feelings and emotions they belong to the same bandwidth one is a higher use than the other of that bandwidth of energies one is the ultimate use of it is to feel and sense and perceive these 11 billion bits of information as

well as our own unpacking of emotions that have been Shoved down by misinterpretation of what we were supposed to be doing in those early years as we arrived it's amazing yeah it's great so such an important reminder when I when I when I think of what you just shared and you've been kind of alluding to it throughout with the tral field with the Shuma channel in terms of our energetic makeup in circuitry how would you explain to somebody that doesn't know Like hasn't really heard of any of it you know somebody who's like in their

teenage years maybe like how do you what would you say are the most important things to understand about our energetic circuitry and what it is from the nais to like however much detail you want to get into MH yeah so if you didn't know anything about nadis or meridians or any of that or chakras or energy centers at the shashina this main course story that's pouring through your system uh I Would just describe it like there is a flow of energy that built your body and in the developing embryo and it knew what it was

doing and it still does so the same thing that built your body can heal your body and what you have to do is get curious about that you can learn a lot about it through your own experience you don't have to open a book you don't have to do anything you could just walk through life and have pay attention on the inside of your body all Day long just with one eye on the inside and the other on your path pay attention to what's going on and as your path is you know delivering stressful things

to you notice how it feels in your body as your path is you know saying hey we we won the and you feel excited about something pay attention to how you feel in your body when somebody says what do you want to do about blah blah blah and you don't have any idea pay attention to how that feels in your body somebody Else says hey do you want to go join us we're going out to this thing and you're like yes how does that feel in your body if you build a a a repertoire a

library of felt sensation in the body you're going to Steward your way into waking yourself up being able to heal yourself by being present to what's true for you and if a lot of things seem to be shutting you down or causing you to want to back away you become curious about that And you ask a question I wonder where in my body energy could be flowing more freely that would allow me to feel more comfortable going to do that thing that looks like fun but I'm a little freaked out to go do it I'm

it's a little too much for me but I want to so where in my body could I let energy flow more freely that would allow for me to be more comfortable in those kinds of situations and as simple as that it will start if we know how to direct the Mind into Serving in this system instead of interrupting it and pigeon holing us or compartmentalizing US in some way by Design we're going to heal we're going to flow so it's a way to get started and as we begin that we start to feel more stable

in more types of situations we start to have some level of comfort that we just didn't have before and it translates into new ideas and accepting new invitations and coming up with new projects that are more beneficial to More people and to ourselves and so we become a part of something instead of a part from it it's a great great breakdown yeah what you said about the the energy that built us can heal us and like we are this the self-organizing system where the body's intelligence can can do its thing when it's when it's allowed

to do so is a a really welcoming reminder um because it returns their power back to us in a state in a society that is Very Yang Orly sympathetic uh you know very masculine in many ways to like go back into the yin and the parasympathetic and allowing um balance and Harmony to return back in the body and allowing it to heal itself and it's uh it's it's amazing and it's cool to see what it opens up in terms of inspiration and intuition and what it magnetizes to us you know yeah I think that if

we knew that by Design we are harmonious we are by Des we our starting Place is that so what we have to do I mean it's a novel thought to think all I have to do to heal is to stop doing what I've been doing to make myself sick you know because most of it's unconscious right we don't know if people knew right they wouldn't do that but we don't know but the body speaks the unconscious it it's the translator between the infinite possibility and what we think is possible and the body will show us

how to translate that information and hear This language of the Soul that's trying to speak and and so by these these areas of discomfort in the body or these areas of openings or being shut down in in a variety of ways we begin to build a language that is that is an assistant there's this this collaboration that's happening and all of a sudden the mind doesn't feel alone you know part of the reasons that we get into anxiety and stress and fear is that we've identified as the mind we land we Splat Mind Body Breath

go all these different directions we identify as the mind and we put too much emphasis there and the next thing you know it's feels all alone it feels responsible for everything we're asking it to do something it wasn't built to do it's supposed to be serving something greater than itself and so it invents a story and serves the story it's like I know I'm a servant I know I'm a servant what do I serve what do I serve so it it invents a false version of self and Serves that because nobody told told it to

do otherwise so as we're welcoming it back home as we pull the Mind back in and love the one who thinks that way love the part of us that is judging or judging ourselves or that is afraid or that is angry or that is whatever we start to open up another integration of Mind Body and breath working together again and when they do the mind is now stabilized it's now it can function back in Alpha frequency which brings it back To its natural state where it can be available to the nuances that are trying to

rise up through us the inner knowings and the wisdoms that are trying to surface but we've not been home to hear them we've been off in the future projecting ourselves out into predicting and preventing and all this kind of stuff too much masculine energy it's time to come home so the yin the Yang combination that happens back here generates this this satvic sense about Who we are this sacred Harmony about the the truth of our being and under those conditions the body is naturally designed to heal it will heal it knows what it's doing totally

knows what it's doing it's just a matter of us not stressing it it's like going down the highway when first gear you know forever it's the system's going to strain it's just not built to do that so we learn how to shift and drop into this this flow that is intended a big part of Shifting into that flow as you said mind body and breath I want to talk about the breath a little bit now because with every thought that we have with every story that we have it correlates in the Buddhist tradition they talk

about two prominent things which is a biochemical sensation somewhere in the body like every thought that we have or perception and then an abnormality in the breath um often sub perceptual there will be a change in our Breathing patterns where in the diaphragm and the depth of it and and so on whether it's nasally or through the mouth and so it's so sad that we aren't given the like user manual of our body and how each nostril correlates to different parts of the parasympathetic and sympathetic system and um how important it is to to to

breathe through our nose and the capacity our breath has to move through move energy and so there's just so many things we're not Taught about the fundamental essence of who we are and our life force energy and and how to breathe and so when you think of the breath as it is a bridge through so many of these things we're talking to um what are some of the most important things to to remind us all about the breath yes beautiful so the regulation of all systems of the body is enhanced by proper breathing and as

we learn to to be present we'll be aware of how we are breathing as I was talking about you Know to the teenager to the to the beginner there try trying to understand these ideas uh just thinking about one eye on the inside and one eye on the path um one of the things that we'll start to notice is am I breathing and one of the most common things that people will recognize is that they're not that they that they are holding their breath and that they're resisting and they're shutting down and they're because they're

overly functioning in in A focusing sort of way in the mind they're driving the Mind into the predominance in their system and I'm not talking about the witness observing mind I'm talking about the thinking analytical driving you know predicting projecting mind and while it serves some beautiful things too much of a good thing becomes a not good thing so one of the things that people will notice is that they're not breathing and just to remember to breathe in the belly of Course I also highly encourage people to breathe from Beyond the body to within the

body to beyond the body meaning inhale from Beyond the body and exhale to beyond the body what does that feel like to you so it might be a spherical breathing it might be a central Channel breathing so for instance I'll invite people to breathe from overhead just breathe from above your head as if you're breathing right down through the center of your brain through the crown Chakra through the center of your crown through the center of the brain through the throat to the heart all the way to the belly just draw a breath and it

feels weird at first he's like I breathe in my head so do just begin just intend it and because there's an energy flow that is happening in that exact pattern and that energy flow we would call Spirit or we would call it bioenergetic flow we would call it quantum energy however we want to speak about it Bioenergetics knows that we can measure a flow of energy that comes down through the crown the heart the throat into the throat the heart into the belly on an inhale and then as we exhale exhale down through the gut

through the tip of the spine into the Earth and now inhale up from the earth right up through the tip of the spine into the belly big inhale pull your shoulder blades together drop them down and exhale from the Belly Up through the Heart to the throat to the center of the brain and out the top of the head so then we would inhale from overhead through the center of the brain down through the throat to the chest to the belly into the body and then exhale to beyond the body down through the tip of

the spine and into the Earth and then inhale up from the earth up through the tip of the spine into the belly and exhale to beyond the body up through the heart into the throat to the center of The brain and out the top of the head so that is dissolving the barrier between me and the rest okay me and other and so if I continue to breathe that way it will change how I perceive self we become a channel rather than an isolated self separate self we become a part of a Continuum that is

Flowing from the unified field all the way funneling channeling down to the Earth generating this whole toic field projecting out into the world and we're breathing in Collaboration with that flow we want to do that it might also feel like a spherical breath someone inhales in the belly keep inhaling into the chest inhale bigger a big sphere bigger than the body and then exhale in every direction beside you left right above Below in front behind inhale from every direction right into the belly keep inhaling in through the solar plexus up into the upper chest inhale

bigger than the body and exhale in every direction Inhale from every direction into the Belly Up through the solar plexus top of the lungs bigger than the body exhale in every direction it becomes this spherical breathing now roomy used to would would I said that like I knew him like he used to talk about this all I would speak about the door is round and open do not go back to sleep and it is a doorway through the dimensions when I have gotten into these states sometimes in very unexpected moments this breath would happen and

all it would be breathing me and all of a sudden I could see energy fields around people I could see through what was going on and and it was it was dissolving the barriers between the things that we perceive as separate because they're not there's really only one field here so the breath in that fashion allows us to establish a Reconnection with a greater reality instead of being a separate self walking through a greater reality I am part of that greater reality I am that and and then as it differentiates down into physical function and

and the the physiology of it all yes the the different nostrils switch patterns of breathing automatically in an hour's time it will spend minutes over on the right and then minutes over on the left and then for a few minutes it will be in Both and then it will start a cycle over again it's constantly regulating all of the efforts that both components of the autonomic nervous system are responsible for and and making Necessary contributions to our uprightness and our movement and engaging in the world it's just that you know the sympathetic system has gotten

a bad rap you know once we realized oh it's all about the autonomic system that that bad sympathetic system you know we it's it's Running raging out of control it's yes it is but you know it's not don't throw the baby out with the bath water we need those aspects of this of the system as well that that generate the initiation of the movement of any system in your body it's it's part of a very large principle that is quite beautiful in Harmony in balance with the other so so breathing in the belly uh opening

the heart breathing in the belly first and then working our way into these upper Loes of the lungs is also important we've emphasized for in the last you know many decades belly breathing which I 100% concur will change someone's life if they will just learn to belly breathe if they belly breathe and then stretch open the solar plexus it's going to soften their mind their defensive protective guarding mind much more readily because the solar plexus is the seat of the mental body just like we talked about this gut below the navl is The seat of

the emotional body the feeling body we want to know that how to get the mental body aligned with the feeling body so that it's not overriding the feeling body in our lives the way that it has been and in emphasizing this solar plexus softening is a beautiful thing that we can do with the breath to help our mind and our emotions come together so that we become more interested in this feeling self it seems safer and more accessible like seems Like a better idea if I'm not running from a bear that I could sit down

and pay attention to how I feel until as long as there's a bear in the room with me and I perceive that that's true even though there's no bear um I don't really want to stop and feel much I just want to run or fight the bear so in order to get the whole thing in harmony we have to get the mind to recognize there's no bear it's not a bear and uh and the sooner it can by assistance through the Breath it can start to slow down the Mind long enough to realize you know

what in this moment I'm okay I actually in this present moment am fine and as such then the breath in Illuminating this this mindbody connection facilitates our ability to recognize that I'm okay I don't need to know ahead of time I I'm flexible I can go wherever we need to go I can talk about whatever I need to talk about or I Can go do whatever I need to do if it's not on my schedule or it wasn't in the plan I be spontaneous and free because these components of my system are now working together

and in that moment then we can direct our attention to that feeling self and do the work we were speaking about earlier the breath facilitates that the breath is a catalyst I use these two terms with it the breath of loving presence so it if it's a breath It's going to help heal and integrate and bring you into a different reality if you're Brea breathing consciously if it is loving it will do even more because love is the universal solvent it's the vibrational frequency that is behind everything that we're looking at and feeling and touching

and walking through it's the first vibration when you compress the unified field coming toward physical form the very first vibration creates or compression creates A vibration and that vibration is love so everything else is built on love on its way to physical form so let me just say minute about what I mean by that if you take the unified field and you start compressing that energy you eventually get physical form so the chair we're sitting in it's phys it's energy just compressed and this body that we're in is energy it's just compressed the water that

we're drinking is energy it's just compressed just a little less than than The chair we're sitting in obviously so so the breath Blends those worlds Blends those worlds when it's when it's loving what we recognize is that that unified field when we start compressing it it creates a vibration the first compression creates a vibration that we call love it's the vibration that we know is love that's why we're so interested in love that's why we love love because it's the it's the bottom line of everything so um and then the Presence in our body if

our conscious presence is in the body and we're breathing in these ways it cannot not turn on the Healer within it does does it just automatically does because it's it's the calling card for for that in innate intelligence to do its assessments and do its healing and let things unfold in such beautiful ways I love the invitation to work with the breath because it's something that we can all do in this moment immediately And requires no belief no thought system um and has immediate changes in in our whole system Mind Body Energy and I I

love that you shared both of those in your practice of like uh the the different types of breathing to be able to ground in um and and move these energies and there was kind of a period of life where I I really like Dove deeper into um different types of breath work practices and also a lot of other ancillary supportive uh you know areas Of focus in life from nutrition to all these things to like really purify the system as of course like breathing deep allows you to let go of previous like mental stories that

you've had and as you do the inner work and release some of those things that you've emotionally tied to it also leads to deeper breaths and so they like they play back and forth with each other right and it's just incredible what happens to the sensitivity of our system as we um Deepen and kind of go back to our natural breath and um find that deeper sense of Peace within oursel and what we begin to notice in our outer environment and our inner environment um when that sensitivity is raised and this can lead to amazing

State experiences like I've had quite spontaneous like energetic uprisings and like what felt like energetic kind of orgasmic you know Sensations and moments both spontaneously like on Plane Rides While I'm in the middle of my sleep uh just throughout the day and how I would just describe it is like complete Bliss in every cell of my body that are like humming at the frequency of love and it feels so exuberant um and also very baffling like coming coming out of it like it uh I I've always like had hadn't known what to really make of

it because it's so um yeah it's just it's such an wild experience that you really can't use with words to explain yes but over The years I've learned and I'm still on my journey of like of grounding that in and uh and working with the system as energy like has uprises into to be able to bring it back down and have more control over it there is this concept of like we're trying to be ascended masters and I love how you invite the descended Master's perspective and so as people that start to deepen on their

path they start to work with the breath they understand themselves as an energetic Being they have practices that support them in doing so and they have these experiences where the energy is Uprising often times it can lead to kind of floaty energy um a lot of energy in the upper centers and the Mastery comes in bringing it back down into the body and grounding it and integrating it rooting it into our system as a deeper knowing and so I'm curious how would you explain the importance of kind of integrating and as you say becoming descended

Masters um 100% U focus in that department would help everyone uh even if people aren't having these exstatic experiences like what you're describing if they are overthinking they're actually masking the same part of them that if they could harmonize their mind with everything we're speaking about they too would experience these ecstatic moments like what you're describing the way that we work with it when we don't know What's going on is we start using the mind to contain things so we overthink and we over focus and we're super serious and we're trying to you know make

life happen and strategize and all those types of things and when we begin to recognize that there's something missing and then we start seeking and then we start finding um systems and patterns and practices and and um uh components of the Awakening process that work for us we will start to experience More and more of what you're describing and the way to facilitate that happening is to constantly be um aware of the depths of you that extend into the Earth and this has been kind of left out of our conversations in in lots of Arenas

in terms of spirituality definitely in religion um in terms of thinking of how we're going to perceiving how we we progress in the world um if we take out of the equation the the depths of our root we limit the Heights that we will ever achieve think of it like I have to root to rise so the tree sends the roots down and it grows higher deeper roofs the tree can grow higher and so what we have to do is always be in fact I'm writing a book on this right now okay so it's about

the depths of our rootedness and understanding the wholeness of our being so when we start in with these practices and they do start uplifting and elevating bringing this ecstatic Essence That sends us into what feels like an altered state the key thing for us to do in those moments is to bring our attention not not abandon what's happening but take one eye meaning part of our attention into the body and not just into the body uh I teach these anchor points that people can use to to Anchor themselves in the body and then also to

breathe deeper into the Earth as if it is is an extension of you because it is and just like the heavens are an Extension of us the Earth is an extension of us as well and so people are like wow really no I thought I was supposed to elevate to these these high you know higher Realms and be able to perceive in this way once you do the very biggest thing on your mind is going to be I got to get in the body I got to land this and and so the key is do

them incrementally and allow the Deep in of your rootedness to facilitate the heightening of your Consciousness but People you know in our world today they just want you know when to get the job done just get me there and so they'll do anything you know they're they're going for out-of- body experiences in one way or another and and having them which is fine but but I find that if people don't build the circuitry to embody what they're experiencing they just become addicted and they just want to do it again and they want to get out

of the body again and again and again and it Can make them less functional here you know so so to become more functional here and to benefit from these exalted experiences that we're having rooting grounding deepening embodying and and using the Earth to help you ground and embody so the next time one of these ecstatic moments is coming over you just bring your attention to into the Earth if you're on a plane and you're 30,000 ft just bring your attention into the Earth from where you are because none of It's real there's really no plane

there's really you know nothing none of this is really happening but if you will in that moment bring your attention into the Earth while allowing the ecstatic experience to continue it is it is an expression of an integrated Kundalini that is happening it's the great integrator that is occurring and when it connects the dots this electric body just animates and it is as it animates you become fortified with a higher realm Version of who you are and as you anchor and ground with your Consciousness in that moment you're going to be able to sustain what

you're experiencing because that ecstatic moment isn't just a physiological sensation although that's what we're experiencing it is the influx of higher States Of Consciousness being allowed to drop in to descend in a masterful way into this body form that you are moving around inside of at this time in space and time so so in order to Glean from it everything everything that you can you bring your attention down into the Earth at the same time that you're that you're having this experience and watch what happens I can't wait to see what happens with you yeah

no this is this is amazing I think of I think it's Dante's image of like the the trees roots that go to hell and the branches that go to heaven and um you know in many ways like the deeper Our Roots are the higher the branches Can go and so you know when when we're talking about these different experiences so we can have an expanded State experience which people at any stage of Consciousness could have you know you can have an exalted State a blissful experience you'll perceive it accordingly to what stage of Consciousness you're

at and stage of development um but then also like the fortification as the word you use of like actually embodying those States as A normal stage of how you go and you know your normal day-to-day experience of life becomes elevated from that place when it's integrated into the body and so I I love the invitation you have to root this and ground this in um I do feel that there are many teachers and systems and Retreats that people can go to to chase different state experiences where they haven't built the circuitry of the subtle body

body and that kind of energetic Anatomy to be able to hold Sustain changes MH and it can actually be kind of disconcerning and and a little bit like dangerous to be able to push people Beyond these C you know to go for these certain State experiences beyond their their body's capacity to do it you know um and hold it and so that can be dangerous in some sense and I'm curious your thoughts on that very much agree it is it's something I find myself speaking to a lot in the coursework that I'm teaching and working

with people Questions come all the time about should I this should I that and the difference between a state change and a a different stage in your own Evolution I think Ken Wilbur spoke about this that this difference is so significant my personal experience is 100% agree with the fact that looking for a state change may open you to something and if you don't have the circuitry to translate what you're experiencing there it can actually cause the psyche to be more challenged because It doesn't have a grounded reference point to process the information that it's

perceiving and it can cause more anxiety or dissonance in the field in the system so when we bring this into the body the body is this Grand neutrality that just that just centralizes and allows for the alchemizing of all things that we are experiencing in a harmonious way it operates in in a in a it it it always tells the Truth the body isn't delusional the mind huh another story but the body will ground the mind and allow you to translate so when we when we build the circuitry to support what who and what we

are at this moment now and we're meditating and we're opening to things in a natural way we're going to drink in more and more high frequency vibration and if we know what to do to Anchor and embody and integrate that those new high frequency uh versions of ourselves our Body then illuminates more it vibrates at a higher frequency disease conditions don't exist in these higher frequencies the The Grudges that we hold mentally and emotionally can't be sustained in these higher frequencies when when we're infusing this into our nervous system and into our subconscious cellular memory

and into the cerebellum that is housing all of this you know other aspects of memory and the amydala and hippocampus are now floating in an Environment that is of a higher nature they don't care about these old conclusions that we drew they just they can't be they can't hold themselves together they dissipate they disperse they it reconstructs who we are if we're bringing it to the body grounding it and integrating with every elevated state that we ever have so if someone is pursuing a way to change their state um it you know and it's my

mind just went to you know 30 years ago We were we were coached to change your state if you're having a hard time just change your state just get there get in there and whatever it takes just change your state it's like yeah what we built was an ability to divert and to deflect and to deny because we weren't addressing why am I feeling the way that I'm feeling and and we weren't understanding that the best way to answer that question is to not ask why but to ask where and to be present with Ourselves

in a way that we weren't present before and allow that to be now included in the recipe of my groundedness of who I am who I my re my reference point I come from when we start to embrace those things and build the circuitry for that we're building the circuitry for this subtle self to now resonate on a higher and higher level all the time and in that it finds its ability to enliven Enlighten and embody the wholeness of our being a a a Buddhic Consciousness a christic Consciousness these elevated states of of Illumination that

are able to be embodied as well you know thousands of years ago we were anyone could be Buddha these are the words of the Buddha right so what does this mean it means get busy not being so busy and start feeling into what is really true for you and we can open the doors for this to happen for us yeah I think it it allows us to stop forcing and pushing for these different State experiences and I get this image of just like an oscillating it's like the the inhale and the exhale the contraction the

expansion the moment of Revelation and the moment of integration and how these are like forces that are like the AA and pingala like you know weaving together to slowly build and expand the vessel of our cup for example for water or for divine Consciousness or you know any any word you want to use to um hold be able to Hold it and so it's it's an important reminder to like realize that this path takes time and we all have different starting points in terms of where you know we were from our family and and how

we developed uh mentally physically energetically and as we start to expand our capacity then um there's not a single area of life that doesn't improve from from that standpoint you know 100% you know we are a vessel and the reason that that the cup runneth over Has been a a statement that has you know that that lingers that stays is that as We Gather ourselves into this deep core self we recognize there is a constant pouring in of this higher frequency energy it's constantly feeding this whole system and as we focus on becoming the vessel

and filling this vessel and becoming that which is filling the vessel we become this light that builds and fills and fills until it opens that trap door Between the subconscious and the conscious and we arrive into these higher States in a very grounded and embodied nature and and fashion and as such when the cup runneth over I think that when those words were initially stated it was referencing this toric field that was that was flowing because the vessel was filling and and it was pouring out from us in in a state of abundance as if

if pouring in from the Divine if you will and filling this Vessel that we are and then giving us an opportunity to recognize I too am what's in the vessel what is filling the vessel not just the vessel I'm not just the vehicle I'm the essence that is filling this vehicle that actually built this vehicle so that it could have an experience of itself here and so when we become that one all as a byproduct of releasing Letting Go those surface levels the protective personality the protective personality Dropping into the true essential self discovering it

sitting in the Silence with it breathing there then we start to recognize whoa there's some Sensations in here whoa there's some light in here there's some effervescence there's some this this ecstatic Ananda that you're experiencing and sharing about and that is a sign that that you're onto it you're on to it and as you continue to let this vessel fulfill what pours over is you you start to recognize the true Authentic self isn't just a station that I find it's this living breathing fluid you know liquid lighted loving presence that's pouring out into this into

this realm as the solution itself that invites such a reverence to the body and mind as it is a vessel for our true nature to be held in you like we get to have this experience of oursel expand the capacity for it and then the great sages of our time whether it's Buddha or Christ they are individuals you would Say then that have allowed themselves to expand their vessel to then realize that they are the Divine Consciousness that animates it and it's so inspiring to to be in the presence of and also not just literally

physically which is of course a great luxury to be able to do so but through the words and through the teach teachings of of these individuals where their presence and what they shared emanates that love in which we originate From and that light illuminates Darkness wherever they go in a sense and uh so it's really inspiring when you see the the spiral of of growth um where we start to expand and and recognize our true nature what becomes available to us and how we can support ourselves and those around us and I think when we

start to see progress when we see momentum and we see the fruits of this recognition uh it becomes enticing to to Really devote our life to it more and More each day and that's where things get really exciting because then each day each moment is an opportunity to be uh in the recognition of that and to live from that place and our challenges and our struggles and strife then uh are perceived from a different place as opportunities rather for purification couldn't have said it better myself I'm loving that I'm hearing this back and I'm constantly

in that conversation when I get into the deep coursework when I'm Really able to to speak with people that the speak that's where it's at right there and so what a what a joy to be here with you and and and speak about these things you know we see it differently in those moments they're not stresses it's not it's not based in Strife it's it's it's another opportunity to experience another version of the creative Essence that I am to refine it and to polish it and to pour myself onto it as the solution Instead of

trying to guard my and protect myself from this issue that's headed my way it's not that at all it's completely different that we're perceiving what is actually going on here it's that whole misperception that we were caught up in prior to that is the is the cause for all human suffering it's right there it's a perspective issue that's it it's just an illusionary way of perceiving that has us locked in this other realm in this other reality So what when we start to realize oh I am that I am the Divine come here revealing uh

and give ourselves permission to even consider such a thing um we start operating as the solution on the planet instead of just another Survivor that that feeling where there's like nothing you can't be with that level of courageousness that somebody has on their path path where they can be with anything they can presence anything and they can deepen their breath in the Face of any adversity that to me is a truly powerful individual and the more that we're recognizing oursel in who we truly are in our Essence in our energy the more that we can

see when these challenges come um we don't turn away from it we can actually look look towards it and see the gifts and in the disguise and the shadow in the darkness yeah we get to know a bigger version of ourselves because of it mhm you know it's not a problem that we're trying to Solve it's we welcome it because I think it's like like uh someone who's excellent at fencing and I'm I don't even know what I'm talking about but but because I've never even held a a fencing sword in my hand but um

they want to spar with someone who's excellent in order to you know refine their awareness of their own capacity and and really that's why we come we come here into this Dimension where where there it's fill filled with props for us to to Polish and refine and develop and if we could see it as that it becomes a playground where we are coming to know the bigness of our being in ways that we wouldn't if we weren't in a place where you could have experience of the contrast of uh this Dimension so yeah I think

we all understand the image with like somebody who wants to get in physical shape and the resistance of weights at a gym that serve to break down the tissue and then rebuild but Somehow we lose the metaphor when we look at our life and the greater resistances in our life that uh you know we might say we want to be loving or be patient or have give Grace um and yet we turn away from the Bountiful opportunities that are actually allowing us to develop those qualities yes it's like in the face of the adversities where

we actually are refined and have the capacity to grow into that part of oursel because we have a predetermined Idea of what is good and what is bad and so we'd go away from these these obstacles and and label them and we miss the gift that they're offering right here in that in that moment that it would there would be a little friction you know when high frequency energy hits the density of physical matter there is friction and so we are very high frequency energy we're pure light coming into physical form and so whenever we

feel the friction rather than turning Away from it we should realize that that's the moment where I'm actually infusing myself more into this physical Dimension which was the destiny when I started out the journey in the first place was to embody you know we're here trying to Enlighten but actually we're the light that's trying to embody so if we would turn our attention to the embodiment piece the whole thing would happen we would have the experience of Enlightenment because we would have an Experience of self we would know who we are and what we're actually

doing here is to come into this physical Dimension and brain the light in bring the high frequency energy in it's great it's it's that progression of the realization from like first everything seems like it's just coming at me and life is happening to me right and then you start to dissolve the barriers between what is you and what is outside of you and you start to see life as you and as it's Moving through you and um it is uh just the most incredible recognition to experience life as life instead of me and then there's

this life outside of me exactly right and it's in that moment that we're actually starting to experience the nuances of being the infinite when when we can be in any situation and and embrace it and enjoy it and be in the adventure of it and find something else to love into and and uh be about life in that way we expand Our awareness of of who and what we are through the experiences that we're having which is why I think we come to this Dimension is just to have an experience of the fullness of Source

itself yeah how else could it do it without differentiating itself you know it's like the one Consciousness just floating around now you know Looking Through The Eyes of Sue and Andre and everyone who's listening right now uh getting to experience itself Through one another and that I think radically orients us in a different direction of what this life is and um how to treat people and how to treat all life um it it changes the position in which we live and I think of how uh what becomes available to us in this recognition in this

energy how uh intuition um and our sensitivity to the awareness of different um intuitive hits and callings and things allow us to move more Effortlessly into the direction where is just natural alignment for what we're here to be doing how we uniquely have the capacity to serve and um I think it again it builds positive momentum to where you start to change what you do and your behavior has become an alignment with that which you know and that becomes uh a really important part of this whole path because it's like yes we recognize the true

Essence and then we're here to have this Human Experience And we continue to serve and and share with the world in recognition of our true self and it just comes from a different place which is uh which is is exciting because it almost from what we're talking about it can be sometimes perceived as like oh that's the end goal and then the Journey kind of stops but then it's like okay we're still here in this human flesh suit and we get to be animated by by deeper knowing which is amazing things just uh change from

the Place in which they're done I suppose yes it's the biggest thing that I have experienced in my life in the last 25 years since these openings started happening is that I'm doing a lot of the same similar things but I'm having an entirely different experience it's a different person doing them you know it's I'm sitting in different seat inside of it and I'm so much more relaxed I mean I was terrified as a kid I slept on the floor in my closet just Trying to be safe and you know that that my life has

transformed so much is completely a testament to what we're speaking about here it's a byproduct of having enough of that dropping in you know due to pain making a choice to you know pursue some different understanding of who I am and what life is all about and then things just opening up so dramatically and you know when people ask me you know I don't I don't know my purpose or I don't know what I should be Doing or my focus is um it's it's right here where you're talking if we just begin it we start

asking that question from a different place and when we calm down enough when we can find the Stillness enough to be more interested in this the cultivation of this the purpose on the planet becomes obvious as a byproduct of that instead of trying to pursue you know a vocation that's reflective of higher purpose and so forth pursue your Attention inward withdraw your senses into your into your deep core self and discover that version of you when the Mind lights up on that the obvious you know it becomes obvious what to do you invent yourself every

day as as you're going along it it reveals itself as you come upon the circumstances that that um you were seeking in the first place and everything unfolds itself we just have to get on this wave that allows for that to Happen it's so good and I just feel like you kind of reference love as sort of this existential stance in which is like enables all of this to occur in in the first place and it feels like in those exalted States you start to actually perceive how that is so and um as you like

lead into more heart brain coherence and you start to your mind and body start to actually work as one unit how they were designed to um I'm just curious any thoughts you have on what Love is as a kind of enabler for all this yeah I you know I think it's the universal solvent is how I refer to it and um I don't mean it as a sentiment it's a realm it's a it's a version of life like like we have a mental body driven realm that everyone is very familiar with uh in this in

this world right now we're we're driven by honoring the mental body over all things and yet we're trying to evolve and what we're evolving to is a species that is based In love instead of based in thinking that that our our higher value becomes Unity we strive for Unity Consciousness we're interested in unifying we're interested in healing which is a byproduct of unifying in we're interested in relationship which is an example of unifying uh we're trying to care about each other uh instead of fighting about you know differential values differentiated values and and such but

what I'm talking about is a It's a realm it's a reality there's a version of life that is based in the unifying principle the magnetism that we know of as love not as as romantic love but but the love of life itself it's like the light that dances on the water when when the sun is shining just right and you see it and it's just so mesmerizing or the the the gentle breeze that hits your face it just you know in in in in the morning or or something along those lines where there's this Freshness

and tenderness to the air the Misty substance as I was walking into the to the studio to today there's you know we're kind of in the clouds today and and it was just just the presence of that it's it's presence it's just it's love beauty and it is the same as the dew on the grass of the eye the sparkling eye of a newborn or this Essence that is so immense and magnificent and beautiful and it is an it is an emanation of of the Divine of The of the multiple Realms combining and and so

that's the love I'm speaking of the breath of loving presence it's just this appreciation of what is right here this moment when we can develop that in our awareness and truly find notice ourselves noticing the beauty of life I interrupt my own thoughts all the time with oh my God look at that look at this how beautiful look at this so can you miss I'm constantly saying it out loud To whoever I'm around and and they're like yeah yeah yeah it's like no no no it's I'm I mean it this is like really magnificent and

beautiful and so and so the people around me now they get it and they're like noticing those things too and and and mentioning them out loud just I think just to make me feel better but it's a state of being that is just it's it's gratitude but it's it's more appreci it's the knowingness of the beauty that is upon us the knowingness Of this miracle that is unfolding all the time it's beyond logic it's beyond anything that that is linear it's just it's this Essence that is here and when we can start to explore that

and cultivate that now we're in the space where everything that we're speaking about today becomes possible for someone I truly believe that that's why devotion works for people when they're devoted to their practice their meditation or their a breath work practice or they're Devoted to their relationship or devoted to anything it doesn't really matter what matters is the vibration of devotion what matters is that that you're that that your mind and your heart are working together it it it cultivates something very different than discipline we can discipline the mind but when the heart is in

it and it becomes devotional it's a totally different experience you can do the same practice but if you do it if you many Times people will start it as a discipline but then they start to like how it feels and so then they become devoted to doing it and then they become fussy if they don't get to do it right right in there they're starting to cultivate the the mix of the heart and the mind together in action and if they could memorize and they could what that feels like in the body they can come

from that vibration consciously and intentionally any time Any moment all the moments and when you do you start making different decisions you start making you start saying uh yes thank you I'll participate or you say thank you no that's just not it's not it's not an alignment instead of the mind that's constantly searching for everything that would be smart to do and what everybody else is doing and all of that you're now you're seated in a different world living right in there shoulder-to-shoulder with everybody Driving down the same streets having dinner at the same restaurants

having the same friends for that matter but you're a different individual having that experience one that is calm and and peaceful and joyous and adventurous and spontaneous and and filled with delight and beauty and possibility you know that's what we're supposed to be doing in my opinion that shift from discipline to devotion is uh it's so viscerally felt when you bring your heart into for Example a meditation practice it transforms from mundane to this like magical thing because it's no longer for us it's actually for the love of it and I think that um um

that that just reminder to to notice and witness and be present to the beauty that's around us in every given moment it stops becoming a spiritual practice that we do and it starts becoming a spiritual reality that we are and and it is quite freeing how when you Perceive the level of intelligence and Beauty and the design that is in with all nature and life around you you no longer are under the illusion of pursuing someday one day in the future where you're um like ideal life is going to be like you happiness isn't something

that you're in the pursuit of anymore it's in it's in the recognition available to us in every moment and that is a free individual you're no longer a um chained to the shackles of your Attachments you know you're really free to be witness to to to all the beauty of life around you and the invitation that you've give given so many times throughout this whole conversation of integrating it into a daily experience within your life and not this kind of one time exalted State experience which are great for reference points but bringing it back into

um daily daily practice uh is just a really important reminder and it makes me think of Heaven Earth you know instead of having it heaven on Earth that you spoke to earlier realizing Heaven is Earth and um and so as you want to share any kind of thoughts on that the last really close CL in line of direction of thought that I want to share or you know would love to have you speak to is Earth as sort of an energetic body and where humanity is kind of all little nodal points on this being that

is Mother Earth um I'm I'm curious you you what you what your Thoughts are as a shifting Collective Consciousness is happening and more people wake up to this recognition what you for see coming happening and shifting both what you have in in your practice and your work with your Retreats and and your people that you've been working with um but then also what's to come so I'll just kind of leave it to you there for any thoughts you want to share well you know Mother Earth is a a A presentation of this beautiful divine feminine

energy that is constantly nurturing constantly there constantly magnetizing um allowing through the forces of gravity inside of this whole um this whole larger Spectrum it is the nest on which we we reside and and mother nature mother earth this this beautiful quality of allowing us to awaken allowing us to become I as I said I think that the Earth is our body and it is just like the heavens are our mind That when we when as we really start to awaken the immaculate mind is is this Cosmic Universal intelligence that is coming into form and

Mother Earth is that which is big enough to hold this presence in in in such a manner that we have the ability to to begin to animate the bridge as the bridge between them meaning we have the opportunity to live in the combination of these massive Cosmic principles and these Divine qualities that heaven and earth Represent and so I think that as our species evolves and even though sometimes it doesn't feel like we're moving very quickly in that process we are and we are evolving to the point where we know there are choices to make

we know that caring more is essential that finding our hearts instead of just our our minds being in charge is essential for our continued support of the Earth in nature as we know it and also necessary for our own Evolution Period it's just it's just essential that until we start allowing our heart and our mind to be to be in equinity with one another we can never find that satwi experience we we can't it won't happen and so we're evolving to that those Choice points we recognize that today is an important moment that I choose

to allow the Harmon ation of my heart and my mind so if if the heavens were the mind the Earth would be the heart would be the body the the the Loving space in which this infinite potential can formulate itself into an an existence that is the expression of the Divine imbalance so we're at a point where we get to pick you know are we going to do that or are we not some will and some won't and those that will I feel are moving into a a new role in this in this world and

the role that they will be in whereas it used to be considered Meek or shy or in the Background or insignificant in some way is going to be what leads Humanity into the evolution that is before them the people who' thought they weren't enough or that they weren't the ones that should be out there you know making a difference or having a voice are needed now to bring this into Harmony and into balance and I see it happening with I I work with a lot of people all year long and I see it happening where

they're finding their voice and they're Understanding that there's something that's been missing and they have they have their their finger on the pulse of that they know it because they've been living more in in observation than being out in the in the flash of things and so in the midst of that uh I think there's a beautiful unfoldment occurring and I know that Mother Earth is going to be fine its Humanity I I get concerned about yeah you know we worry about saving the planet and you know I sort of Feel sometimes like you know

Mother Earth could just sort of shrug and you know and that would be that she'd still be be fine and and we'd be trying to find another home um in terms of of how that all fits together but I know that there's a Divine Design to things to everything and what is happening right now that we are pursuing things in the ways that we have that have threatened our planet in the ways that it has in the obvious you know surface of the Planet manner um is allowing us to evolve it's allowing us to to

witness the the fallacy of the choices that we've made and the priorities that we've held and to reevaluate and to uh recognize that that we can make a difference and in all of the ways that we're trying to solve our own personal issues collectively it solves what's happening on the planet as we each do and so think Mother Earth plays a deeper role in our own Awakening than we have Given her credit for and uh I think the deeper we go into the the heart of the mother of the of the earth uh herself the

closer we come to our own deep core wisdom and the greater capacity we have to face our demons or to resolve our issues or to let go of that which has haunted Us in the past and I think that it is a a Next Step that will be very valuable for Humanity to pursue a deeper route that allows us to Branch out higher and there's that great joy in and Owning our responsibility you know as we get to play a part opposal piece on that journey of you know in many ways Earth kind of evolving

transmuting to that next stage of evolution and as a species um there is often uh great conflict confusion chaos right before a transmutation in our genetic code you know and I think uh the more that you have an expanded awareness the more that it's upon us to take responsibility for for being a leader in the and and uh of The new Earth so to speak in many ways otherwise not living alignment and serving how we feel we have the capacity to will cause all sorts of suffering um in our own internal psyche so that invitation

of responsibility I think is is really important and uh yeah thank you so much for being a proponent of that because I know you're empowering people to really to really do so that's my great joy you it's it is it's the most beautiful life I could have ever Imagined it's more so than I ever dreamt of I you know and it's it's exactly why we're here is to awaken to such things so yeah it's a it's a joy thank you yeah amazing I really really really and I say this often but I really really mean

it I love this conversation so much this was really special um we dove into some amazing territory and um yeah this is this is awesome oh thank you you know I I do a lot of interviews and speak in a lot of places and every once in a long While I get to have a conversation like this so thank you is it is it is you that gets to allow that to take place so thank you for what you're doing in the world and bringing these these deep and Rich spaces to people to unfold and

to discover more of who they are there's nothing more valuable on the planet I don't think receive thank you so much um it's yeah it's the greatest joy um and I thoroughly have loved getting to connect With you and and share this conversation with our digital worldwide family that gets to tune to these and that we get to feel and and so I'm looking forward to continued conversations and yeah thank thank you so much La the very last thing is I just want to let everyone know that they can find Dr Sue's information and websites

and stuff we'll link down below is there anything else you want to share where people can find you or anything else uh you know I'm pretty easy to find Have YouTube and a website we have a new website um that's just posting and um and so it hopefully uh it'll be timed in such a manner that by this moment it will be um it will be ready for people to see U I have um some introductory programs coming up that are very easy access for people to come in and start to understand more about what

I'm doing and how to work with it for themselves and so but it's all it's all there I have lots and lots Of offerings for everyone and lots of complimentary things for people as well amazing yeah the energy codes book is also a great read and audio listen with more practices I think to accompany everything we've been speaking to um and really looking forward to your new book next year that you're working on so that's exciting all right everyone thank you so much for tuning in until next time be well take care [Music]