IVAN LIMA (ATOR E APRESENTADOR) - PODPEOPLE #160

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] our guest today is an actor and director with a long career that includes notable works in theater, television and cinema, he became known for his performance as one of the channel's presenters unknown facts that aim to bring up several intriguing themes, let's talk about your career in theater and on TV, your experiences of spirituality and your perception of interesting and curious topics discussed on the channel with you Ivan Lima [Music] [Music] Hello everyone, be very kind welcome to another episode of pod people a place where we meet to see and

hear people People who Do People who happen People who inspire Our guest today is an actor director announcer former presenter of the channel unknown facts and current presenter of channel Ivan Lima Good evening my dear boite, a pleasure, what a pleasure, what a pleasure to have you, happy to come first, I went back to my homeland, right, I'm from Rio, you're from Rio, I'm from Rio, I was born in Rio, I just ask God to die in the river, in the river, Ah, but I'm always a pleasure, you know, something brings me back to you,

I'm happy, I knew we had something in common, good night, my dear, how are you ? time already And you came to visit your hometown because it's Goiânia is a good city, you know, I think it's a city with a very good quality of life every time we go there because it's a city that's growing very quickly when I got there it wasn't so good But it 's growing very fast, very good restaurants, good restaurants, food, very good cuisine, and our country side is also strong there, right, it's born like that, right, it doesn't go

from there. It sprouts on the ground, everything comes out in twos, everything comes out in twos, everything comes out in twos You'll never go alone, that's it, my dear, first of all, I 'll say that I've been a fan of yours for a long time. I hear your voice and I said my God Look, I don't think there are those films where God speaks, I always thought that if God spoke it would be a voice similar to yours because we attract attention, we are captured there in what you are saying right, I wanted you to

tell us a little bit about your life, from the beginning, whatever you want in the order you want, so let's go, I started here in Rio de Janeiro, right? By chance, my mother had a passion for and wanted me to learn the accordion and I didn't. I liked it, I wanted to learn the piano Uhum, it's my frustration to play the piano and she liked the accordion, she's from the interior of Espírito Santo, tapin the city of Roberto Carl Roberto Carlos and she wanted me to learn the accordion, so I learned a little and she

wanted me to introduce myself to the program that was on Rádio Nacional called A Hora do Pato, Hora do Pato, Hora do Pato, because the gong was a duck, you know ? present well while I was waiting there I walked to Rádio Nacional which was in the center of Rio in Praça Mauá in Praça Mauá that's right that's exactly where I arrived on the floor where they recorded where they made the soap operas the radio soap operas are with is by Oliveira Paulo Gracindo was just wonderful people there and I watched as I went in

and made a recording and one of the people responsible came and asked Don't you want to do a test we need the voice of a child of a teenager child I said do it Come here I already did it there, you don't want it, it's tiny pieces of paper, it's quick, then I started doing it. The problem is that my father didn't like it, I understand, your mother didn't see anything, she didn't think it was funny, right ? For me to be his dream was for me to be in the military , right? So he

didn't like that story, he didn't like it at all. So I wanted to know how I received it, I couldn't receive it because I was a minor at that time, it was very complicated, OK, no, no, no, no. I did some I left and that story died there and coincidentally What happened every time I went and by bus to Zona Sul where I lived in São Cristo I went and passed through Botafogo between Flamengo and bog Uhum I think it's Avenida Osvaldo Cruz not this MMO this It's still Avenida Osvaldo Cruz there, there were some

palaces there, some incredible houses next door and there was a townhouse that I always looked at from the bus and a sign that caught my attention and I looked at it, I couldn't read it, I looked at it, I couldn't read it and that caught my attention one day I got off the bus to read and went there I got there, it was the National Conservatory of Theater Look how crazy it was then I went it was mid-night I went in there was no one there I heard voices I went up There was a Portuguese

woman called Ester Leão, who was a Portuguese actress who lived here in Brazil, was giving an acting class, the door was open, she saw me and invited me to come in. the Mexican who was studying theater here in Brazil and there was no one to do it with him, so she came to ask if I couldn't do it with him, I wasn't Understanding anything, but I'm going, I'm going there, I went there, the story of the conservatory began because there in little child you didn't even do that for you it was a joke ex there

no there when she called you that I liked it exactly you opened it there it was the thing, right, I opened the portal, right, look, there wasn't the Aterro do Flamengo Uhum So the water was hitting a wall that Urca still has this wall Urca's wall still has stones stones and there the whole of Flamengo Beach making the whole of Flamengo Beach exactly ol And then I'm standing there making time to go to the conservatory someone comes by my side and says how do you like it to watch nature, the sea hitting the rocks because

I was quiet looking, right, looking, when I looked, it was Zinsk, I don't believe it, Zinsk, monster, monster, the guy who changed theater in Brazil, lighting, He brought everything here modernized, right? And then I I said , oh, I'm working here because I started studying at the conservatory, I knew he was, right, you didn't have it, I knew he was on television, okay, he was already on television, ahem, but he was on television, his image you could bring, you already knew, Then he He said, do you want me to teach you? Oh yes, a guy

comes asking to teach you, I said no, I can't afford it, I can't pay and he said no, no, it's not like that, but if you show up properly every time we agree and never miss a day I'm going to teach you now first miss It turned out that he was disciplined and that's it but then that's it I started having classes with him without missing without missing Of course without missing uhum that's it your father and your mother no one knows no one Did you know you went out every day it was the secret

it was the secret I disappeared and no one knew what was happening how wonderful and then things started to happen when, in the year of the Fourth Centenary here in Rio de Janeiro, Comedi Frances came, who was a great company in French comp theater period, that's right, and they came to celebrate the Fourth Centenary and they were going to present a feid play at the municipal theater and one of the actresses who played a role that could be played by a man or a woman became ill They went to the conservatory to see who could

do it at the last minute, I went up there. Whoever won, you volunteered right away, right? Uh, I won, it was the first fee I received, that's right, there I Tell you the beginning of my career, your career as an actor. professional because I'm already receiving it , right? Soon after, also still in the festivities Hey Maria Fernanda, a wonderful actress here from Rio Maria Fernanda Maria Fernanda she is the daughter of Cecília Meireles daughter of Cecília Meireles that's right Maria Fernanda I remember stunning fant made a good call wish made wonderful pieces f impressive

and she played Santa Joana, she was the only female character and the entire male cast from Rio de Janeiro was in that cast, she was the only one, the only woman, the rest, all the actors from Rio were in the cast, the big names, regular Sérgio Brito, was all good world And then I got a small role to work with Carlos Alberto Carlos Alberto I remember that he lovingly wrote the first version which was the conductor exactly exactly Carlos Alberto and I played his page with him uhum right So there was a dialogue between me

and he Bon second piece and then this started the family didn't know either, my sister knew my sister who is older than me Iran and she went to watch F and that's where I had someone who knew someone someone had I want to be a witness then I, who had already done some plays, continued at the conservatory, I went from the acting course to the directing course, I directed some things at the conservatory Ah, you already went to direct, I already went to direct, that's cool, then I won the prize Revelation with the taste of

honey an English play is soon after, then arrives 68 68 in São Paulo there will be the audition for the musical laugh that it was an Avant-Garde thing Totally a World event exactly it is And then I went Fernando res that an actor from here and from gaus who was from the school and the three of us went to São Paulo to audition for laughs when we got there my audition was incredible they liked it they praised it but the cast was already closed I arrived on the last day there ah so it was already

there I was as a reserve reserve reserve I said but what then How am I supposed to stay here in São Paulo and how am I going to keep up, right? Well then there was an audition for another show, I passed it and went to do the show, I went back to the back about the fourth month after the show, which was a success absolute And that's when I went in, right? And then my whole Saga began in São Paulo with great shows, great directors Wow, I worked with wonderful people because it's you, you were

there, You were the cream of the crop, right? It was a start from the Gods It's as if you had been started by the gods of the Greek Olympus of teat I caught everyone I caught dulcina de Moraes I worked with dulcina right I worked with Marila perira with Irene rava with Joana fon Wow all the cle Diones the big names talk Bru put it here we have some things here which I found so interesting lufo with Paulo Alran exactly two giant giants my God made me I remember him because I was little and he

had a character I only know his name but he had some personality that was similar to me and then my father and my mother they called me baldara bald now I'm going to ask my mother why they called me baldara because I don't remember I was a child I was a character in a soap opera, right, that was already a character in a soap opera and my father called me Bal come Bal you young there, right, look, and at the time there was this mustache thing, you followed me, yes, mustache, but there was a time,

I think the 60s, the 60s, the 70s mustache was very common and it became a bit of a brand, I did a lot of commercials. in São Paulo Big very very very And then for me to take it off, sometimes they wanted me to take it off, say something like this, so the fee doubles because having to grow it is going to have to grow later, I won't be able to do another one, I'll be able to use my mustache exactly, I was a good dealer also the father taught well the Portuguese father taught next

Bru ah that's wonderful, right this actor this is a Play called friends Peron very friends Peron is four actors who play four women who meet on a Saturday afternoon and the confusion they have kept hidden that they are drunk and then everything comes out, right? I made the oldest flan to Fran, who was the oldest and the most angry of them, this scene became I created this scene on the day of the premiere which is to put on panties, panties red high shoes are high shoes I'm putting on my panties and this outfit is huge

and then it became a mess and people couldn't stop laughing because it was a challenge, right? Atlético challenge to put on these panties and she starts to get nervous uhm because when she manages to put on her panties and her rings disappear she was J together in the middle of it and then she has to take it all off again but you know what I Thought it was fantastic Ivan I thought it was fantastic because this thing about four men already playing female characters means what theater has always been that, there was never this obligation

for you to be a woman in order to play a woman character today because you have to be black to play a black man you have to be, I don't know that there is no such thing as art, it transcends, right, it stops being theater, it transcends, a good actor is capable of doing anything regardless of sex regardless of anything, right, that's so modern As art was already modern, right, that was the time, no, that's not the case, but it's not that old yet, but there's something that one doesn't have anymore But there's more, it

must be about 10 years old, a little more money was doubled, it was doubled, I didn't have a mustache, the production was mine, everything was fine, I could, I could take it, it's close, Bru Ah, you're from Cina, no, no, Darlene, gló, Darlene, veteo. this piece for us did it in honor of the one who died in the plane crash, no, not in Paris, the plane crashed and she was on the plane Leila Dinis, Leila Diniz had done this show here in Rio so we were invited to do it there in São Paulo So she

did By the way, her taking Leila's place Was practically in the São Paulo montage in the São Paulo montage Uhum And she had just done everything and she won't be punished that nson Rod was a marvelous marvelous classic and Darlene is not your happy face It was incredible, I played several very funny characters and Darlene was this wonderful thing, that's really cool, right? There was a time when theater was a devotion but a joy, right? I had a time in São Paulo when I went to São Paulo that made me he made me stay there

too, I saw shows in São Paulo that made my jaw drop, I said, I can't believe how audacious there was a director, he's Argentine but he lived in France, in Paris, and Rut Escobar, who was a great producer, an audacious Portuguese producer, I brought him to direct two shows in Brazil, one of which was the Car Cemetery where she bought a car workshop, it was just cars that had fallen over and everything happened on top of these cars, as Garcia did the show dazzlingly, I knew I fell, my God, it was a bradway. There was

a time when São Paulo was a BR, then she created the balcony, the balcony, she broke the entire conventional theater And this theater was made with a set that was an iron funnel, the public stood around this funnel and the show took place in the center, in the center and this whole structure was moving, which thing later she removed, she ended the show and made one that was an adaptation of the Lusíadas called the trip, which was the musical that I was in, there's part of the trip, no, no, the trip, it's not here, just

the other one for me to see, not from the trip, you're wearing an outfit, no, no, that's the film with masar, that's not it, let's go back to the other one, let's go back to the other one, okay, you were talking about Rute from rut cobar and she was she did the international theater festivals who brought Eskimos doing theater, she brought people that you never imagined that one day you would see perform in theater, how incredible, right, a woman of courage, these people who are way beyond their time, right ? What do these great actresses

do? What's missing, who does all this and this thing about not being afraid to throw yourself into the abyss, right? In the search for a work of art, you don't really know if it's going to work, if it's not going to work, if in the past you didn't have the funds. that were later Created, you put your apartment in the bank and dive into the abyss, it wasn't courage, it's courage, it's not beautiful, right? And that's what I learned, I learned in the midst of these wonderful people, you know, that's why I I'm so proud,

I'm so proud of mine, it has this pulse, right, because you, you drank from a fountain with a lot of pulse, a lot of courage, determination. Love for art, that's something that we miss as a spectator. Well, we see it, it's not that we don't have it. There are good shows, there are very good shows, but they lack the pulse of what you're playing your life for and it's not just a show, right? It's something that infects the whole world, exactly a work, right ? the other takes courage there and the other joins here let's

get together let's do it and do you think this Ivan reflects a moment in our country A moment in the history of humanity where people had this romanticism I'm not saying romanticism of couples but romanticism with life, I think, yes, I think, for example, this is the moment where here in Brazil there will be a military government, right Uhum So what was happening there, there was A military government that took away something that was happening that no one even knew exactly what was going on happening, right, but it took away that government and it, of

course, had to repress it, that's part of it, it gave strength to the Ghanaian people, you know, the kind of non-resistance, exactly Uh, I think it was a Bastille, you know, exactly, it was like fighting for freedom to make your art So people created Here comes Celso in São Paulo with Roda Viva, I don't know what you understand And it was that fight, no one had it fear, on the contrary , it was a mission, right ? who didn't even know theater, people who probably identified phrases or words, a word or another, censorship, sometimes they

cut them, sometimes they banned the show Uh, then everyone would be unemployed from one moment to the next, that's crazy, you know, so I took all of that and we had how to get around this, right, through the theater, it was always through the theater, exactly, ex, it was a thing of elevation, right, art, And it wasn't just the theater, this was happening in painting, Where is painting, this was happening in ballet, Where is ballet, it seems that when we pass humanity right , you go through difficult times, it seems that this need to do

something bigger is rekindled in people. It's also a way of catching someone, we have to do something, it has to happen, we can't stand by and watch it happen and that's what I also think I reflected on. This is what happened at that time, so today I look at everything, there are beautiful things, there are things well done but that's what's missing in life pulse this pulse exactly knows this pleasure pulse I even question the funds a little I question it In this sense because you already put on the paid show so we had to

go to the street with flyer in hand to do a scene inside a restaurant go for the university to do a scene up front, if you created it, you sought out the public exactly, you had to convince the public, you had to seduce the public, right? There was that, the relationship, that was very Fantastic. It was because it was a direct connection, right, so it was 24 hours, basically, you were working that viend that. It has to be successful, right? Here comes television and television creates a new segment, right? It's another thing, totally different, totally

different. Projection to people, exactly visibility, right? Over time, it even gives good salaries to people over time, which in the beginning wasn't At the time of TV Tupi, right, you earned very poorly, right, Record Tupi, all of this, but here comes TV Globo, now with a bigger structure, a new structure, kind of like a Hollywood Hollywood role, Hollywood, exactly totally different, there's an image quality, a scene quality, an image that's undeniable, right, undeniable, even Today it's undeniable that we have a light that we say like this What do you mean, who put this light on,

right? Why is the image getting better and better And then, at that time, your father and mother were gone because then I stayed in São Paulo and he stayed there and didn't come back, I didn't go back, but he didn't come back for Christmas, he only came as a visit, Christmas only came as a visit, leaving the pir, then doing some work, recording a commercial and everything like that, I don't even work, sometimes I didn't even see the family, but there's a part of Your story that I was following you and ever since you arrived

here we noticed that such a strong spirituality in you and then there was a moment when you left that way and went to India and went to look for this spiritual part to food because I think it's a good union, it's a perfect marriage, art with spirituality, spirituality, I wasn't during it. Now, looking back, I see that it's always accompanied me . but I didn't know that, right? Eh, we think it works Now it worked out, it's positive, it's negative, right, but in fact you know that it's all plotted, right? And a situation happened when

I was doing a play that was a big success in São Paulo called mousetrap with Irene with Irene Ravas and Joana F, here's where is Irene Ravache ? Binder does this one, ahem, the one who did it here in Rio was Renata Sorá, who played this role that Irene played there, she won an award there in São Paulo, which is another monster too, Ah, fantastic. She's here, right, in Rio de Janeiro, she lives here in Rio de Janeiro, you have to call Renato, it's true then, Eh, but it was the mousetrap, the mousetrap, first there

was a scenario that was a house as if it were a Victorian house cut in half a wonderful set by an incredible director who was Egídio who died very young and it was a Christian ag play a horror play I don't know that one day I went to the theater earlier I did this most play almost every year pe Tin on Tuesday Sunday two sessions on Thursday two sessions on Saturday two sessions on Sunday a 900 seat theater packed what a thing Look without leaving that theater look today it's a week two days a weekend

quick thing today That's right, that's good, and one day I was going to the Theater in the afternoon, it was on Avenida Paulista, Avenida Paulista, one side was congested and the other side wasn't free Uh, I went to cross, I stopped at the Yellow Belt, there wasn't the center road that Today there was the yellow lane I stopped at the Yellow Lane a bus left the traffic jam to cut through Contramão via Contramão and when I see this bus it is already here close to me I do like this I die and turn away I

protect my face I am a huge noise and I see my body leaving, it was the first experience I had that you had to leave your body, leaving your body like this, it really doesn't exist, it's not just one thing that until then I thought I had doubts, it's just one thing they say, right, they say that That's it, they say it's that, I've never had an experience like that and I remember perfectly the way I fell, how I fell, where I hurt. It's as if you were seeing it from the outside, you saw it

from the outside, the crash, the two bodies, the material and the other interesting thing is there's a blackout when I wake up I'm already down and that full of people come back looking and I get up with energy wanting to kill the driver my God I get up Where is he I want to kill this guy I want to kill this guy there A doctor comes out who was in a traffic jam and says no no no no stay quiet you might have internal bleeding come here Get in my car he took me to the

emergency room I didn't do the show for three days I did it again I couldn't keep quiet at home I did it again I was taking an injection so my knee wouldn't hurt, everything was in a bad state, my whole body was hurting, well, I Was already starting to get this in my head, what was that all about, right? What do you mean, you know, it means that if one thing exists separately from another and one can see the other one which is more Fantastic, right Look how crazy there I start to question but lightly

Uhum all of this and this time passes then I start to ask questions every month And why do we live why are there people I could have died And then Why didn't I die? Why didn't I die? If I had died, I wouldn't have done where I would still be. I hadn't done what had happened to me . looking for books so I started reading tell me someone tell me something to read then I started reading everything you can imagine and it's like this exercise in Helena Balavi's book an exercise no You have no idea

everything I read there was an exercise I did the exercise Then there was an actress called Célia Coutinho and she said: F, you're going to go crazy, be careful with that there, Be careful, you're going to go crazy and I did it anyway. You have to put a candle here, you have to put it I don't know What there and I didn't I didn't care, I wanted to have this experience, since I had that one, I want to have the other one, without being run over without being run over, you wanted to reproduce, put your

life into this higher Self that everyone says I don't know where it is, how That's it, right? How do I get in touch with all of this and then I did that and I walked and I walked and more and more things appeared for me to know and appeared, then it was suf, then it was spiritualism, then it was in the church that discuss the Bible then it was in the other one that discusses I don't know what and I was looking for it but nothing convinced you, no you were researching but nothing TR had

you reading math books or anything like that, nothing that bothered me to the point where F has a light Here I went to do a show, it was also a big success in São Paulo, called São Paulo Night and Day, which had Perir Ribeiro Agnaldo Raiol, there was an orchestra, the Baile Corps, it was a Las Vegas thing, exactly, And during this show, there was a day when I was feeling something so strange happened that I entered the scene I didn't know where the orchestra was playing and I was A Blackout Total blackout How strange

then I left the scene it Made me want to cry then I started to cry and the orchestra was playing and nothing was happening that void on the stage then suddenly I stopped ev and So we skip the painting, they're going to do it, no, I'm going to go in, I went in, I did the painting, I remembered everything, I came, I did the painting with that in my head, what happened, that's what, that was it, more questioning, but questioning and searching and does anyone know someone? don't you know someone who does this someone who

does that and I was looking for a place where I would tell you, there's a guy there, okay? And then I started getting a little lukewarm because it wasn't going anywhere until one day I said I'm going to spend 15 days in India that someone had sung you a stone or not, not since when I did the reverse we sang Hare Krishna ah Hare Krishna in reverse it's a very beautiful moment it's a moment of what we were NS I distributed flowers to the audience a moment of peace in the play That's what was really

funny Let me do this part here because it started there was censorship so the censors didn't allow the light to be turned on when the nude was on, everyone was naked but no one saw anything, I understand, right? growing, Yes, chirping censorship in the inm And also the government was releasing it, it started to release it, it started to let go and that light was turning on until it reached the peak of the Light where everyone was never distributing FL distributing flowers very funny, that's good And then coming back to this story I I said

I'm going on vacation for 15 days, I don't know why I'm going there, I'm going there, I already knew Europe, I already knew the United States Oh, I'm going to India, I'm going to India, it's been a while since I went to get one, I went to get one, video of an interview I gave in the early hours of the morning in Florianópolis at the end of the year, TV Bandeirantes went there to interview me, it was about 4 hours old, I had already had a little drink Uh, my interview and I watched the interview,

I had an hour to ask questions like that and then Ivan what's the song What kind of music do you like? Then I said oh I like Indian mantra lie I said how did I say that ahem how did I say that look interesting interesting right Uh I didn't listen to Indian mantra hi here you talked to a conviction is the Indian mantra with all the pomp, you know, circumstance, it's like, Right after I go to India, it was basically right after, then I arrive in India, the next thing happens, I arrive in India, which

is something I'm crazy about, for example, if I arrived here in Rio to spend a weekend I leave my things at the hotel and go to the street, I'm going to walk, I'm going to walk, I'm going to walk, I like to walk and there I did the same, I put my things in a hotel, I went for a walk, I like going to Periferia, I like it to see old things and I was walking through those empty streets and then I was walking and walking there I saw a little gentleman coming down there, Little

Sir because it was very typical, that street, that street with two boys there and he had a smile and from afar I spoke like that How funny I am, right? It looks like he's laughing at me, he came, came towards me, put his hand on my heart and continued, I followed, followed, then he walked, walked, walked, nobody looked back, so I followed, then he arrived at a place where there was a big gate I entered I knew about isram isram is where people the master stays with his disciples Uhm then I said this here is

an isam I'm going to come here no I went to the hotel I closed the check I took my suitcase and my God he didn't It wasn't even a question, he didn't even Ask, no, no, one of the boys who was with him came to answer everything as if he had planned it, he opened the gate for me, he went there and showed me a room, I went to that room without saying much, no, because then no one understands anyone, because no one He didn't say anything and much less I opened the door and he

went, it wasn't spiritual communication, right? You don't really need this experience, I feel so calm knowing that when we leave, we don't need this communal language thing, isn't that where you had this experience? So I went there, I sat there, there was a single bed, so I sat there and waited for the next one, what's going to happen and now, right, what's going to happen, then there was a moment in the afternoon, it was already Acer, eh, after noon, then he had One moment in the afternoon, like a snack, then he rang a bell, and

the people all went there, then he came and made a gesture, and he took me well during the course of it. So, no one said anything over time, what were the most incredible things happening in the world, besides everything I'm going to watch and I 'm going to see what's going to happen to me, the main thing was that it started to really awaken Krishna in my head, but only krishna krishna came and everything came and krishna came giving me a lesson and i was quiet there and i saw crisa giving me a lesson explaining

to me it's as if there was a movie playing in your thoughts that you transformed into images exactly Uhum there's a moment this moment that I say is during the course, right? There is a moment when Cristian speaks like that and Jesus Christ Heart does P pom pp a love for Jesus Christ that I didn't have, I didn't have it, it's not that I was an atheist, I understood but you had never felt connected in this way exactly a love man a love something who introduced me to Chris Uhum then I started to see it

like this Buddha mahom and Che Mah prabu that would be a reincarnation of christianum right Eh and all that I started to read with them and you were reading there no No, there was no way to read it, but I knew everything and you didn't read this before, the Bible, I spoke to myself like that because I had no one to talk to, and I spoke to myself like that, Chapter such and such Verse, such and such, Jesus said this this this this this this this everything came, came, Came, everything, and then I found out

when I started meeting some Brazilians, I don't know who were religious people, more evangelical than who know a lot of these things by heart, right, that's from the Bible, even then we started talking and I said it's in the Verse it doesn't say this this this this this the person looked at you what am I doing in India understand talking about the Bible talking about the Bible uhum I said because it was here that my love for Jesus awakened they thought this oh this man is crazy uhm don't believe it and he woke up and

neither do you because what is happening to me but there is no longer this questioning there the questioning It's about me as this being that we don't know what it is is the fallen angel why that we fall when we move away from the Creator the moment we start to look there instead of looking here inward we moved away so the fallen angel is the disconnection is the disconnection this is the fallen angel is the disconnection It's the time that I think I know the path I know how to walk I know how to make

my life life becomes something that I can change with it I forget that life Is this here uhum connected to this there because it is the life Uhmm are you talking about why you 're alive because he's there exactly all the time all the time and also when I'm no longer alive he'll be in another form I think another other vibration is like this Oh Actually we are not matter, right? We are spirit We are energies, right ? It's here inside that From where he never left, never never , you're saying such a beautiful thing,

eh, Chico Xavier was once interviewed. an extraterrestrial entity that wanted to talk to him and he said no but look I can't do that because I don't even speak another language I said so this entity said Are you kidding there is no need for it you will be understood And you will understand then okay then he said that The guy said, look, it's going to happen, this entity is going to happen at such and such a Time . Then there was a time when he understood everything that was being said, but there was a time

when this spirit said a series of things , then he said, do you want to ask something? from earth earth he is yours he is one is a very respected prince in the universe but there are many others uhum exactly and and he was told that because you see it the same way you went there He bumped with Jesus Christ he wants to go and ask something Jesus Christ He said he is one is the prince of I thought this was so beautiful, right? And now you're saying that Krishna awakens Jesus Christ for you because

they are all the same, not the same As matter but the same energy, which is what we call the supreme personality of God when God descends, right he comes and he incarnates he will incarnate as an archetype that is necessary in that place at that time, hey, so he fits in there and comes like a king, comes like a son, Comes like this and none of this takes away the value of any of them, right, because they are all the same. thing that only makes it bigger, right? It's the Faces Eng, exactly of God personified,

who is the supreme personality of God, that's what people don't want to understand and it's difficult because religion, which had the function of reconnecting, just tells you, look, look inside, look, look. inside you're looking outside you won't find him on the outside first you have to get to know him then you'll recognize him outside otherwise you won't recognize him there's no way to recognize him you don't know interesting that I didn't find it beautiful that you you said, but then you continued there, in this knowledge that you didn't even know you knew, you just stayed

in the spiritual dive or there you also sought this part of the Dom, also from the theater there, theater, no teat, you didn't make a connection, nothing far away, you stayed away at that moment, what is it? what I felt at that moment, which is like this, I don't remember if it was said or if I realized it because your perception opens up when you are close to a true master, which is because there is this Supreme personality, there are the masters, right, the prophets, all of them they have a different vibration When you're close

to one just the proximity Pulls you up understand opens a channel opens So you're already experiencing it but you're experiencing it because he's giving it to you I understand you didn't earn it for your worth it was given to you are you ok You're managing to sanize it, but in his antenna you're superfluous, it's not exactly yours yet, right, so you, I saw things, right? Eh, duplication of food, eh, no, I saw things, duplication of the person to the body that grows and diminishes, I saw mind-boggling things, you know, without drugs, right? No, there's no

tea, there's no tea , there's no tea, there's no meditation to take you something , that is, I spend 24 hours talking about om, I'm creating a different state. I didn't even give a lecture to anyone, much less to me, uhm, I didn't suddenly know perception, and there was something that I realized was like knowing, right? It's all here, it's all here, all you need to do is connect, connect, it's like it was a cloud that today is the iCloud cloud, whatever it may be, the only thing it has is that it is a cloud

of knowledge, yes of humanity, right, that is made available to humanity, the question is How to connect this, how to connect this, it is it is only through it it is the way, the truth, the life is he understood That's why Jesus tries to see himself more like Jesus, he comes closer Look, you're as much a son as I am, that's why you can't put Jesus away from you when you put him on a pedestal or like people want to say he is God he is but don't do that because you distance him from you

and he is the only door right exactly at least for us for us humans right PR for this world here is this planet Uhum he is his moment exactly understand So the time you distance yourself from getting hard the other one is this the other one is that he is better than the one ready right the time you don't practice what and Jesus said it exactly he said it that's all Uhum it's the practice you have to practice what he said he gave a little rule practice this rule that when you arrive he gives it

to you because all he wants to do that he wants you back is to give you that connection Exactly is to make that connection How beautiful and it's fantastic and it's fantastic This changes your life completely Total Oh and I was going to talk about the theater business which he asked, which is how it is, At other times here on earth I have been able to enjoy all of this. I was once an actor. I was once, I don't know what, I've been I went, I don't know, I did everything I wanted to do, this

feeling came, this feeling that I was being for the second time and that this second time So it didn't have to have the value that I gave before because in fact the biggest foundation is not being an actor the actor uses this tool this tool is good You will need it it will serve you it will serve you in your voice in your Intentions in speaking in explaining, right, why do people say Oh, but you explain, I understand everything you say, the theater helped you a lot, exactly. So use this, but it's not your career.

You already did it. You did it before. It's not anymore. that's all it is no longer just that this is an instrument it was an instrument recovers all this You also need to live, right it's nothing Fantastic right, money will fall from the sky and here I need to pay rent Oh I need to buy food no I need to work right And how do you come back with all this ? who comes back because it was Ivan Lima, actor ? 15 days you went to stay 15 days you stayed at the hotel for a

day and went diving, you didn't arrive at the hotel a single day, I'm doing the math here I told people 15 days It takes years to live this whole experience without talking to anyone Practice exempt only talking to only in your silence only only I didn't talk to anyone food everything was there everything was there already done by themselves and no one cared about whether you communicated or not, not because they thought we thought we communicated Ah, I understand, but you understand How is it? which is, we thought it was a conversation that we didn't

have and I was walking with him on the street, I was his companion along with those other two, just walking there and I was observing a lot of things Everything was happening in front of me and what is fantastic, for example, we are the three of us with him then he does something there that I see in myself I see it one way you will see it another and you will change it another uhum we don't see the same thing I understand we are worked individually that's what I I think it's even more crazy that

there is still no mass Let's work on this mass, not that mass doesn't have mass So that's one thing, you're saying something That I've always believed. I've always said that alienation occurs en masse, but transcendence is individual, it's individual, it's an individual process. It's an individual process because when you talk about mass alienation it's linked to this here, right? In fact, it's linked to matter, so it's mass . one is different from the other digital is digital each one is different from the other there are no two alike Uhm there is no human being like

another that's that's that's fantastic each one is different in their journey if you are a doctor and you are going to treat one thing while you are seeing one thing in the matter So you, the treatment is the same for everyone but you will see that there will be people who will not assimilate that because it will depend a little on the inside of each one of the connection that each one is it and that you can capture it or not exactly while I was attending, there was a lot of this, Alex has worked with

me for a long time, I'm no longer attending but there were things where he came to bring me a clinical case that he was attending to and I said That to everything, let's go start the treatment now he said but he won't wait because this person needs it now otherwise it will get complicated And then it was out of the blue then with time he said well you said let's go and there were people I said let's not do everything right wait all the time exam protocol arrived but there were people who intuitively said that,

that's why when there was a pandemic, for example, everyone started to be treated equally. It's not going to work out very well, there will be something here that will do this Exactly because it's a big difference Look the amount of people you are with me And you're saying something Ian that was really questionable, right? In the beginning, that thing started, the elderly are going to die, and then we saw elderly people passing by the thing, nothing gets hit o Ah, those who have comorbidities won't die The one who was full went and the one who

had 500 comorbidities went through the process and nothing came out exactly smoothly and to this day I had 80% of the lung, you had Covid, you had Covid, 80% I was a little knife like that and you were hospitalized there in Manaus, not in Goiânia in Goiânia Goiânia In Goiânia Goiânia I was hospitalized for 15 days and then another month at home to start going out I wasn't walking Skinny S smell Taste day I had no problem with Taste nothing I didn't even have it with smell and I didn't even have it with memory and

then I had it because it's impressive today today I have something with names uhum and it doesn't come, it doesn't come I stay there my God in heaven it doesn't come but as always I had it I wouldn't attribute it but it was terrible terrible I don't want anyone to go through that a horrible horrible thing would continue you you were like this you had this perception You had this perception for example I had several patients who had covid I had a patient who she describes to me one two she is a very patient like

that I, I'm sure she doesn't have anything to prove it, no, she traveled, no, she didn't travel, she said she was very ill and then at a certain point she detached from her body, she was stuck, okay, okay, And she found people who had already passed away and She says oh good I'm seeing you again I said no you come back she said no but I don't want to go back now that I'm here then she comes back and then when she comes back she stays there watching the doctors do things And she says oh

my God how is it I'm going to tell them that I'm seeing them here, ok, ok, ok And then at a certain point she continued doing this nurse nurse no one would listen, soon one day a nurse heard her she said so I'm back, right? She describes all of this. he said, look, you see, I didn't have that now, what I had was like, the people who came to my house to visit me, I started to talk, but I talked, I talked, and people stayed, I saw that they were like that, looking at me like

that, Wow, but you weren't you're dying, how are you, you're saying incredible things, I don't know what things, I didn't know what, I was coming, coming, and one day alone, I already wanted to get better. for the material then, I could know what it was that allowed me to get it , right, have to go through this here then I hear a voice, this voice that accompanies me, I always hear a voice, it's very audible, it's very perfect, you identify the tone of that voice, it's, it's and it speaks so you didn't do anything it's

just for you to get stronger I got stronger Physically Uhm I got stronger As a person internally I got stronger I didn't know how to say no to everything you Ah ok you know always a uhum full of problems to to to saying no, um, today, no, it's no longer a problem if it's not going to work, it's not going to work, it's not going to work, it's not an insult, but it's self-preservation, no, no, it's not self-preservation, right, that's interesting, that was very interesting, it's very important, it's I really notice this difference, so two

years ago, you were there in this process in India during Covid, not the other one, so leave the years and as you said, you have to go back to Brazil, I had to go back because he was going to pass the master, he knew what day the moment everything he says now you come back you won't found anything try not to meet and don't remember me don't write anything walk with your legs he was a master of transition and not now you'll walk with yours you already know how That's what you should do now, walk

there, yes, yes, yes, you understand, that's your walk. You're going to stumble. You're going to hit your head all over again, but when you go down, you're not going to go to that spot where I was back there, which was here. I'm coming now. go down because I Had experiences Uhum I'm going down here so what happened I think I went down here a little bit more because people started coming to my house for me to play Eh then I even got away from that Chinese game taxi taxi no no no, not a Chin game,

you play with some sticks oh damn sticks sticks there's a book Thick Play it BR it's a good Chinese game with sticks ising ising iing ising Uhum And then I played that as if I had spent my whole life here and told people people impressive things Uhum then it started to become a pilgrimage uh he told you don't write anything go walk no people bye no the ego is starting to say oops look at you oh no no no no there I removed everyone I started to paint from one hour to another that I had

never painted, I had never painted, I started to paint and that what I'm going to live with is not for me to go back to the theater, even though I felt like I wasn't supposed to go back commercial, I can do it because it's half an hour, I go there and record and I don't talk to no one thump thump and leave Ok leave Hey then I bought a piece of land the house started to be built all for no reason like for no reason without a Connection to anything nothing I wasn't working I didn't

have any more money ok then a shop showed up right away right, you need this, you need this here, and just to give you an example, there was one, one time there when I thought about it, I was living in someone's house and I didn't like it, uh, it was cool, I wanted to go into the little room where they kept cement. all of this there on my land Ah, let's go, I want to live, I'm going to stay right there, quiet, so I wanted it, that was it, suddenly the bricklayer and the servant came

to me, look, Ivan had a better job offer, we're going to leave, okay? OK, I could do it, I couldn't cover it, OK, it came out inside me, I said so, the thought came to me that I wanted to leave there and live here Oh, okay, God, I don't want to come in here, I'm not going to stay there, I'll see if I can fix it another place but I'm going to leave there but here we're not going to stay here that quickly I said to myself Then a person arrives who I had been introduced

to and I didn't know He arrives and says this Ivan, I'm doing some work down there and I took money to pay the the pados there and I just took the extra look there was so much left That I had to pay my bricklayer you don't want to borrow it out of nowhere he came by car with someone someone was bringing him the strangest thing so I said I I want there the bricklayer was around the corner I went there I called the bricklayer come here because the bricklayer when I told him look man something

is wrong because I couldn't get money it was the first time I couldn't get it then he did like this oh and he accepted there was Accepted mine there was accepted from him the money came I understood there was a power outage look then I paid him and where did he appear I said no Then I'll explain to you later I'll explain to you continued look how crazy and you stayed at the construction site no no no I changed my I changed house, I went to someone else's house, I rented a house where he had

a practice which he later dismantled and it was empty, I rented it and went there so I stayed quiet, I didn't have to go into his house, I didn't have to spend time painting during that period and I started painting and painting, I had never painted in my life, one day it came to me like this, paint Ivan, paint how he paints, I don't know how to paint, paint, take a brush and paint like this, take the brush and paint, then I knew Someone who was painting, I went there I went there at his house

to see if I learned anything Uh, I stayed there talking and said, oh, IV, why don't you paint, take a canvas here, take it here, use my paints, here I spent the whole night until dawn making a painting P, making it and I painted it there A friend of his came and said, wow, this is cool, you don't want to sell it to me, don't you tell me how much it is, I kicked it high, I won't even remember how much it is, but I kicked it high, bought it, took the painting, look, a profession

to keep me here, then I did it exhibition I think I did four four Exhibitions there, look, at some point it stopped I started to learn sculpture which I thought was beautiful I started to do a lot of sculpture, until about 4 years after a New Year's Eve from one year to the next I'm already in agreement In my house, the house was ready, I was already living inside, I woke up and said, where am I, what is this, where is my apartment, São Paulo, where are my friends from São Paulo, no, I need to

see my friends, I need to see them, I have been there for years two from India four that you came back then I had to take a plane to go to São Paulo to see my Friends to see the situation that was not good at all, people who had died, people who were in hospital without a situation, people who were unemployed were in a difficult situation, it's not that It was cool then I said you know what else Goiânia has more opportunities than here I have I can teach theater classes, right I can teach Uhum

So there I calmed down and went back to São Paulo and then I saw that in fact there I left after that time, no you came back to Goiânia, you Paulo, I went to São Paulo, I decided and came back, resolved within myself, right, everything is resolved Now I have a house of my own that I really liked and I still like it today, right? And only then I saw it and realized that at that moment I went definitively taken from an altered state then I was really placed here now now it's with you uhum

landed now it's with you then I saw that I had descended to the ground you no longer had any influence now now you will walk Look what a force of light That was it, huh? That's certainly where I started. I went back to the theater , I opened an Indian store. First, I had a lot there in Goia. There in Goiânia, I had a lot of Indian stuff. at one point she did like this I went back to the Theater Uhum And then things started to prove interesting that you never had a script, right, things

came and closed their cycles and started exactly and and how did you end up being called for unknown facts that was something that, uh, on the internet was right at the beginning, you know, on YouTube there and that was an explosion, it was an explosion, I remember that I said it like this, you don't have to get home, I have to see him there, in fact strangers a very interesting channel you said something we never knew about that What an interesting thing talking about personality talking about history talking about geography talking about everything everything local

that I played a character including to tell about crime because let's talk about crime I said no but I don't want to talk about crime how do I talk about crime ã Let's create a character a detective play a detective there was a series when I lived here in Rio I watched it called Columbus Columbus Uhmm I remember Columbus and I loved watching it I said oh I'm going to do something like Columbus So a Columbus man I remember when I lived in Rio, what's the name I'm going to call him, give him a short

name, an easy name for him, who worked on the show I did in São Paulo, who had Perir Ribeiro Agnaldo, Bista was Bira from J Suares Ah, Bira, I don't believe it and I told jokes, he played at the Bira Bira theater, he played in the orchestra that did Nirand, Nirand Day in São Paulo, then you, me and Bira, that laugh of his, that thing. I said Bira, that's it, Bira is going to be the character, that's the character, so I created Bira who told horror, so you understood why it was, but how did you

come to terms with it because it was something that the artists hadn't yet touched on in the wave that would come from YouTube so it was like that oh how did you end up there funny everything has a funny story So it's like that one day I was doing the one that I was doing with my wife uhum yes that I ordered to do Billboard is an interview on everything that is radio on everything that is Television is a lot of work to promote and I saw a tiny poster of a guy in the Theater

and I said who is this guy here, oh he's a YouTuber, what is this? When was this more or less, oh that was when? ask for years around, about 10 years, a little PR, about 7 7 8 years, 2016, more or less, there I asked, listen, what does he do ? Arquivozilla there youtuber is there They explained it to me And then what he does he does self-help but what do you mean what he's going to do here is a Play no he goes he takes a chair puts it in the middle of the stage

sits and talks to the audience I don't even know who is this guy and talks to the audience and he recorded there No no he was going to do a show everything was already sold Ah because he already had his YouTube He already had his he went from virtual to real to make money outside the business It was perfect, perfect, but he had sold all the tickets online and I didn't know what it was like. The theater was packed and then he was talking to the audience, Ivan, that's all, he didn't do anything, so he

asked someone to shine a light on him. just a little background music and there it Stays and there it is so cool Fi my God, something is happening that I don't know uhum that I don't know I think I'm wasting time and I got confused by that but what's up and then how It's just that I don't have a Tex, I don't have a scene, I laugh at that, the owner of the channel there Me call him on the phone he wants to talk but we didn't reach any agreement it didn't work out so I

said it won't work because I didn't know that I didn't know about penetration like this thing I thought everything was a lie that thing, I don't know how many millions of people are behind you, I don't know what, so I didn't close and continued doing my play, traveling, I went to Europe, I received an award and in Italy from the film of the film, the film you made was not the O the film is with Cláudia cardinale and the one in the rose is a rose that was made in Rio de Janeiro in 68 they

were giving me an award in 2000 and damn how important it is for them, right? You know, a CV doesn't mean anything good, so what was I saying? The guy called you from YouTube, you didn't go, we didn't agree, right? Then I went back to doing my thing, I went to Italy, I came back, I don't know what, And then it came into my head again , that's it, man, I need to know about this thing, I think I'm wasting time, uhm, how am I supposed to know about this, he calls me again, but it

was the owner of the channel, the owner of the channel , the boy was one of the attractions of that channel, no no no he was the owner himself the youtuber himself no the youtuber had his channel it's there then it was a coincidence that he went to the same theater where I was I understand I understand it was the theater in Goiânia So there was a guy who had a channel that had the unknown queos channel that already existed and already existed because it started as oh my God it wasn't a youtuber yet it

wasn't a video yet how did it do it on the page n these what's the name of the common pages of a blog it was a blogger, a blog, he had these unknown facts but they weren't on YouTube, it was a Pando format without the person appearing like a home page, uhm and without there was already a YouTuber But without the presenter appearing, it was just photography and someone narrated He narrated, okay, there wasn't a person, there wasn't a good person, then he starts, He calls me, we agree because I already had a New Vision

And you were curious, curious, and he came with a new proposal that wanted something different, which is what happened actually, you know, recording externally, you know, when he talked about things, he had a wonderful vision, and then we started to open it all up, and then I created Bira, you know, we started a movement there that was incredible, incredible, and then the expod channel up there took off and at a time when it wasn't there were so many channels today there are thousands so there were few and suddenly you emerged there and It was incredible

the empathy was immediate it was immediate I myself was scared and I was getting scared by those numbers these businesses of 10 million 11 thousand thousand recognizing you On the street it's crazy, it's crazy because that's how it is, people who have no idea about YouTube or the digital world, for example, people who make television have no idea about television. It's become too small for YouTube, so that's how you must be today recognized all the time, something that theater, you know, television gave you love, people went alone and it's been from az since I was

a little teenager, I've been going through this for example Because before I did television for a long time, I was a consultant on an uncensored program for Mais Você from several interviews Jo Marília everything I had given for life in this mass communication thing when I start doing podcasts and and a year that I have mine it's surreal you don't go there on the corner if they don't recognize you and all the tracks ages all ex and the younger ones even more You notice this is not impressive it's a total impr thing and It happens

that someone recognizes your voice if you are for example in a cafe suddenly you are talking to the girl Oh thank you very much for the coffee how kind Come back here, someone says like this, you, I knew it was you, exactly, you record your voice, it's impressive, that's impressive, then he made this proposal and you now it worked, here we go, it was during this cycle, right, how many years did you stay in fat Fi in fat I think it's been over the years, people, but it was a phenomenon over the years, and you

were very interested in things that you prepared for your whole life. Exactly because this thing about you having read a lot, about you going to India, about you seeing the traditions, about you staying the Dude was fantastic in choosing you But and It's funny because actually I think he chooses because YouTube starts asking for older presenters because YouTube was noticing that older people weren't taking over, I understand there was pressure from YouTube, you know, we need more mature, more mature people to bringing these people to stay here and that's where the growth of all this

was because there was no one older at the time, it was a phenomenon, and then when you decide like this, now it's happened, right? Hey, you decide to create your channel, Ivan Lima Yeah, I think because it's clear, first of all, I think things were so bad that I became the owner of the channel, right? People think I'm the owner of the channel, no, you were one of the presenters, right? I would like to have a space of my own now where I can say my things I'm going to stumble, I'm going to understand in

your own way, in my own way, it's as if you had brought together all this experience I don't know where you're trying to take me I feel like you're taking me for something that I don't know what it is, you understand exactly and I prefer to be that Worker of that of that of that energy that drives you, Right, that is driving me all the time that is showing me that everything has a reason and that it is meant to go somewhere, right? Sometimes things work out with other people together But sometimes not, because exactly

not, but it worked out really well, right, because we have this habit of thinking that what works is eternal, not at all eternal, I think it was a moment extraordinary and within this period of six years, there were stories that left an impression on you, recording things that lasted six years, so there was a lot of experience there, there's a lot of things, I think, that made an impact, right, there are terrible stories, you know, that we are forced to delve into that and we they scare because it shows what we have inside , right?

What do you mean, give an example, for example, these violent murders, uhm, right, if this is Killers, we, as a story that really impacted me, I felt bad, what it's like, it's not the butcher, it's one from the deep web where he places an ad on the deep web that he wants to have a relationship with a guy uhum and And literally he wants to eat the guy, eat the body he wants to eat sexually sexually and then eat the body of the person who offers and Someone offers To do this, he leaves Of course,

I remember this, of course, it's a terrible, terrible story, right, he actually eats the guy's sexual organ while he's still alive, right? Then he kills the guy little by little, but it's a horror, his trial has films because everything It was filmed, he recorded everything, yes, because he said that's what he was going to do, he's just going to get lost when he's done with this, he goes for a second, that second he makes the offer, the guy accepts it but thinks it's funny, he thinks it's a joke when he saw that the guy was

squeezing that things were getting serious then he ratted out the guy that's why they caught him, right and it's a scary story that I have things that make us question exactly, right, this negative side, these darkness here inside each human being and that we have to watch, right, very carefully, right, that we don't know how far we can go and that's why we have to measure what comes from outside that this here can be a stimulus uhum for this awakening of your darkness exactly did you realize that staying there in that universe was bothering you

energetically Exactly so it is it is heavy it is but it is good that you have the knowledge I think we have to know about all our possibilities I have possibility of that I have of that This here is easier to reach me so I need to take care of this here I understand, right, if we can have this, wow, it's already a bit of a journey, but within these recordings there was a moment of something spiritual There was, there was one that I always The story is about the Rio witch Carioca witch Carioca witch

is a woman here from the 1800s or so here in Rio whose mother was a slave and then has a daughter they were very poorly looked after because they were women who had mediums for a change, you know, no one had an understanding of that so they were treated like mistreated Witches, right? And that they suffered a lot, as I tell you, I won't remember any more details about her story, but on the day of recording, I was recording as Bira too, eh. A reflector fell, which isn't normal, no. something else happens, that's it, something

else happens. It all started during the recording of this episode, this episode about the witch of the carioca witch, so I said so, people, the witch is here loose, she's here, ok, then we managed to get to the end, we recorded it, ok let's Go there I went home then I'm at home I'm going to sleep I'm going to lie down there's a glass of water here inside your house inside my house in the room there's someone here Uhmm then I feel a presence here like it's like it's getting warmer right It's interesting I feel

a presence here it came to me it's her it's her there first thing I start talking I don't even want to know I start don't look here is no place for you to be here it's my home it's my space I'm going slowly But in the middle of everything I'm saying, I say it like this, no, no, it's not bad, this one that's here is not good, but it's not bad, no, I got it, I came to thank you for telling that story, it's like what came to me as intuition, it's that she was in

Limbo this whole time she was very judged she is a forgotten soul uhum uhum the memory of her took her out of there understand gave her a light that she was not exactly that that exactly what the people she was taxed exactly you gave Some eh, it's enlightened you gave you the possibility of leaving here for a little step, a step exactly and she came to thank you for ISS she had this perception But perfect and then she left You never felt it again Never again never had a page again in some way Look it

was at least it came out interesting and she came to thank what she came for she came to caress uhm understand but it's as if you had to touch the material thing to make it present so that it would be understood so that I could understand I could not perceiving it, right Exactly exactly So there has to be matter there that vibrates, right, a glass of water vibrates that we know, right, how interesting, right, Very interesting, I think this was the one that had the most that has already moved me, sorry that I I said,

let this stay in the video, but they cut something I was narrating and I started getting too emotional, it was taking me too much, you know, and I started to cry, but they cut it, I said no, people, leave it to me, it doesn't bother me, who should bother? it's me, it doesn't bother me, no, I'm undressing Here, somehow you're giving voice There are several cases, right? They're traumatic, right, very traumatic, the cases that were told Certainly now Ivan's channel, not Ivan's channel, now comes with another outfit is me, for example, I 'm taking a

break . the unknown fact was a channel that had a script, was studied, researched and had a theme there to be you don't want the voice of stories to talk tell stories stories of everything from life of everything that what marked you what impressed you your experiences exactly where the min You lived there and helped with something in your beliefs What did you learn from it, as you said, I already put some of it on the Instagram page, for example, Instagram, you do, you make beautiful reflections, and you say very interesting texts, that's right. and

then I want to start taking this there too, you know, that is, there are no rules, I understand, now it's about expanding, it's expanding, letting this be more loose, right? It's cool to let this energy move, right? Because it's time for that to happen, right, another one It's not arguing, it's not taking, I think podcasts are really cool, for example, where someone discusses this, another believes that, another believes, I don't know what, The other believes, I don't know what, man, man, and discusses Whoever has the truth is good is good. It's good to raise everything,

raise everything you can, right, but leave it now, in fact, you want to talk about your vision of something, from your point of view, I think it's so interesting, I also have nothing against podcasts that have this thing, but I think the We're living in such times Eh Either this or that I think I 'm wanting a little more peace like that and that's okay If there's a big group that doesn't agree Ok there's a tribe for everyone there's space for everyone but let it be one vibration more Eh more constant of those people who

are so open to this, there will be others who will be for someone else, that's fine, right? I think there is already too much conflict eg the truth is mine, right? I don't think the truth is just my vision, no, no, I agree, we have to be looking at everything, look back, look forward, 360 G, the other person may be talking things that I disagree with But to say, oh, how cool that you TRED me at this moment, I can disagree Oh, But if I let you, Who knows, that will take me to For a

third thing that doesn't plant a seed for me, right , how many times have I been to places that I spoke like that prejudicedly, right, oh, leave the house for that P, hey, And then when I was going, I said no, now I'm going to stop with that, let's go, open it up and I came back so much better than I was and I told people how prejudiced how many times I was driving, God, I'm glad I went It's good that you pushed me, that you gave me that push because what a good thing, it's

not things that we put aside sometimes, right? Then you say hey, look, it's not that I lost this and this the clash takes that away because if you go to the clash, the clash is already a war for your brain, I'm talking about our conscience, but for your brain, it's you against something and you keep looking for things for yourself to defend your point of view, you There's a war Exactly, the more H I have, the more it will strengthen my point of view. At this point, I don't want to fight much anymore, not in

peace, my dear . human sustainable sustainable They are People who don't have a desire for knowledge Ah, they are therapists, Ah, they are psychiatrists, Ah, artors, they are not people who like knowledge, yes, and then we set up this community and what happens to us 15 days before you You're here now with us, we present your channel, we present who Ivan Lima is, and these people come and go and take a look, but the rule is, no, you can follow after the episode, just follow after that one, you don't find it strange That group arriving

that knows what that is, right? And then we give them the freedom to look there and create the desire to ask you questions, yes, because here the podcast is not just us talking to you, we give life to these people who like your content so it's a way for them to be here with us okay so we're going to start now so it's Reporter pipinho let's go Question number one What was the most curious fact about a celebrity that you've ever shared on the facts channel unknowns the most curious fact I have to say the

name of the celebrity is no I think you can but if you don't want to either no but bring your stuff if you are if you Are not Brazilian you can if you are Leave If you are alive leave and if If you're alive, let's talk about a dead celebrity, it's better or or a curious story that you want to share But this person asked for a celebrity so it's better an international celebrity who is no longer with us, there would be a fact, wait, now about a celebrity hmm something strange about Michael Jackson something

strange about Elvis Presley something strange I don't know I think it's all so normal I think it's all so normal people do things that say things like that, it's her, right? like , don't accept But she's like that, ex , it's one of the faces, right? channel talked about the witch's story, the witch was a curious fact, the Rio witch was a fact, a curious fact, a celebrity has something very funny, I'm not going to say who it is because she's Brazilian and I don't have her permission to say it, but I'm going to tell

her This situation only happens once, in São Paulo A HS tape came, I don't know who gave it to me, I already told this somewhere else but here I have a new audience that is interesting and it was operations, I think it was Zé arigó who carried out those operations that were recorded on that tape with that celebrity She was the one who went there and recorded everything and had this tape and a copy came to hit me, I don't know how and what happened in this situation were those spiritual operations that are things that

we don't understand, there's no explanation, right? And one of them is that When the tape starts she's making a fuss and she's clowning around here with the German doctor who's part of the medium, right? A girl is sitting here, this girl is like this, sitting there, maybe 15 or 16 years old, and she had some problem with her brain, he grabs a tico -tico one You know that Serrinha and comes here and screws her skull, takes off the lid, puts it here on the bed, she films it inside, he takes some tweezers, takes out some

black things, he even says look here, there's something black here, these things, I don't know, take that out clean it, take a piece of cotton, clean it, then take the skull, not before he Takes it and takes a Gá, it rolls up, not a drop of blood comes out, a drop, it's really her filming, she's the person filming, it's the Celebrity who's filming, filming That's a strange thing actually Why did she go there? She went there with her sister who had kidney problems, I think, ahem. And then the sister comes, she's going to have an

operation, and this girl, he tells her to sit there on the floor, there are some mats, and someone gives her some tea, some kind of tea. for her, it's there, but you see this girl afterwards all the time, she'll be walking back and forth, she's just had her skull closed . Little blood like that, then it opens it, it tries to put an iron that opens the rib here, something that does like a spacer, a spacer like that, it goes to the floor, it goes there, it takes it, it brings it, it tries again, it

flies to the floor, then it comes back here, and it opens the rib. Then you see that there is some black stuff inside and he takes the tweezers. He takes out that black thing, clean, clean, clean, clean, do it as if the saliva were surgical glue, surgical glue and close it here and the sister comes out and stands here Close by, His sister's husband had what's the name of that thing, hemorrhoid, really big hemorrhoid, he doesn't want to have an operation, he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to do it, so they convince him to

do it, it's a thing that big, it turns out ugly, he pulls it, we know it's a small operation painful painful he pulls it out with a boot a drip pulls it takes a pair of scissors and that's it he didn't do the surgical glue either fe n she didn't do the glue it was just on the vein, right he just pulled the vein out here and I was impressed Oh that's first what it is It's strong, right strong at that time, not today , we would suspect that tape because today it affects everything, right?

Exactly, that was it, we have to know if these people survived. but the girl in the head could have caught meningitis and died in the next few days, ex sawing, she didn't feel anything, I didn't leave, but like that ooo the brain is painless, the brain itself but no blood would come out, it would come out, it would come out Theoretically, whether you want it or not, because it's the skin, it's the skin to skin to skin, right But it's strange that these things always don't impress me, I was so impressed, I had such a

desire to get to this person Why didn't you ever show that people are so judged here, exactly, right? It doesn't show itself after João de God, everything got worse then Ah, now it got even worse, it got even worse because he is a person who received many important people, celebrities, both international and national, of all, many well-known people from all areas, artistic, political, judiciary, and no one said anything, no one said anything at that time everyone took the body off at least give the statement about the side you used the side you arrived at exactly

you had an operation it was Boom uhum with you this experience was good wasn't it Hi Ge, I remember that I had a problem with cheers, many friends wanted me to go there, they arranged for me to go, I never wanted to, I never wanted to for some reason that I didn't, but I understand Ivan, the person tried it, drank from the fountain, nothing happened and I could at that moment arrive and say, look, taking the negative side of the speaking well, neither good nor bad, but here I lived this experience and this experience happened

when someone kept silent, exactly, right? Then he was no longer anything, so no one came close uhum, that's what I think is sad Because I think the following we're not talking about character because if showed a completely Alia is the man now that he has done impressive things he has done and I know a lot of people who are ladies, you know, who are housewives and mothers, these little people as soon as he had an eye operation No problem at all, he had cancer, he did, I don't know what it is, I don't know I

think that the issue that came to the fore was that thing about the man who fell into that, this thing about abuse towards women was a very big thing. Surely be careful, maybe that was missing, right? He was given, I think a power that was real and he, his ego, took it because it wasn't his, the power was never, never was, Big, the offer is very big, you know, people donate. a lot because it's as if you want to buy that person for yourself, whatever problem I have, I'll always have him here by my side,

you understand, but when this man falls down, then you say I was never there, I think TZ is missing exactly, right? but I think this happened, it could have been close, Bru, no, but he became A celebrity, there's no need to say, Ivan, which conspiracy theories do you find most fascinating among the ones you've already presented, you've already presented, boy, Conspiracy Theory there are several, right? many Our current ones are currently the most that you think makes any sense because there are some that are totally meaningless, right, having life on other planets, do you think

it makes sense, does it make sense, does it make sense, why does it, right? for example, the sun for me is not a hot light Uhum it is a cold light because it is a spiritual light that there is not a light fire light which is not even said uhum but a spiritual light What do you mean V there is already a a highly elevated humanity uhum that there is the light of humanity from that place that was a planet that rose that not even the earth would have to transform into that sun but with

that light that is why it now or it emits light to all these other planets that they are evolving, I understand this is a theory This is a theory that the sun was once a planet and that it lit up and today it generates light for several other planets, how interesting and that Light is a cold light It is not a hot light it's not a firelight it's like they say it's a firelight that burns that the planets that are close no one can get close because it will melt And why is everything around it

cold around it as you go up in towards the sun it's cold the planets get more and more I understand what you're saying you understand uhum this is something that science has never explained properly she forgets that she talks about the planet but she doesn't say hey but every time we go Leaving here, it's not when you get here that it gets warmer, it's not when you leave here that it gets colder, uhum, outside of the earth it's not cold, uhum, the closer you get to the sun, the colder it gets Because the spiritual light

is cold, it's not hot, it's not It's hell, purgatory, it's not hell exactly, I understand what you meant, I understand, it's a beautiful theory, it's close Bru, only with time will we know, we won't know, we need to prove it somehow, right, or we won't know or we won't know but we'll see from another dimension, who knows, maybe it's easier for us to see from other dimensions. Which Supernatural case you shared On the channel had the greatest impact on the public? Anabelle is from the doll, I swear, I don't know, you know, this doll, there

is an American couple who always seek to solve these Supernatural Cases, right, they have already died and there is their museum, this doll, she is, the priests will pray for her, she is trapped with a chain and No one can take this doll out of there that says that it was possessed by this extremely violent energy, right ? it happens that that energy that is condensed, which we will say like this, has become its own thing, it can come out, everything is energy, yes, on the contrary, it can expand, exactly, expand, so it's better to

leave it alone there, it's a hideous ugly rag doll, it's famous, Anabelle Anabelle is perfect next Bru Ivan which These are some of the most intriguing theories you've ever come across about attempts to communicate with extraterrestrials, there are so many, right? And today we're seeing more and more, right? Every time People appear saying more things, but do you think it's more plausible, credible, incredible? Let me see here, I think. that they have already had here they have already done things that this planet has a lot of history that we don't know what we know is

a very short, very small story the planet has history until we can no longer, right And where did everyone go, it's just us get it here Where did the Egyptians go Where did the Mayans go? What happened? Everything disappeared, no one was left behind. No one you are talking about and that grandeur of the Egyptian civilization. Have you been to Egypt? Have you already been ? There was also that, the most Rational people, of course, exes had slaves, yes, but there is a grand vision, isn't it those huge temples, they are that small, what is

that, right, those works in Gold, those works with precious stones, right, just the treasure of tutan camon It's impressive, those writings, those paintings on the tombs, they're still alive there, deep down, like deep down. Was it really in the hole at that Time? Was it not up there? Because yes, things are happening, right ? many things in the south After this thing about the water, yes, the water that the water receded from the floods are appearing, eh, Archaeological sites literally ex, so so many things, it's not so many things, I don't think we know anything

about that saying, that saying that has to do with the pyramids of Egypt that talks like that, everyone fears time, but time fears the pyramids of Egypt, which don't end today, it's already said that they are much earlier than what is said . We have a very small notion about time about possibilities, right? We are beings like that army that guards the tomb of the Chinese emperor who also discovered by chance [Music] thousands of statues, all life-size or all here They were all painted. It's very strange that the Chinese emperor is exactly great, he's also

great, no, and there's a lot of buried parts, even though they can't get to you, you keep thinking things are there without deteriorating. What do you mean, you didn't Have a refrigeration system, you didn't have a system, nothing was there. buried in the earth ex exactly There are things that really are you say that but and then we don't explain today If you discover that there are all the stones they look like an elephant they look like a turtle they look like a snake they are gigantic things and then are they even someone stoned that

and it could happen it could also happen Yes and what we know We We don't know anything there was an Ice Age in fact it existed, right, so we That's right, right? And then there's little time for documented and visualized history, right? so the truth is that things are cyclical, right, one period ends, another period ends, another period ends, I believe this cyclical thing for me is the essential thing, everything is like that, you understand, everything is interesting, the longer we live we see this, right? Eh, me, me, the other day I was talking about,

eh, it smells like another world war, right, the characteristics of people, radicalism, right, prejudices, people , but it seems like something, the smell of a moment that we already had in the history of humanity, this, again, the same thing, the same thing. It doesn't seem the same, but it seems that on Earth, these Cycles are part of this experience, it's this thing where people come and Ecstasy, eh, Ships , right, people aren't lying, they're simple people, serious people. There's everything you see, right? It's just that we There's no way to detect this because I think

that whoever sees one, I've never seen it, I don't know anyone who has seen it, but you don't go out filming it. Even more so nowadays, OK, the person still has a cell phone. You can try, you can try, but no one stays with you and has a emotion you're going to lose your emotion and you're going to be ex ex that's exactly endeou then everything is like that because everyone is shaking and maybe it's in a vibration that it's not possible to be filmed you know I have a little story right but no no

I know what that is, it's something that can't be explained to my sister when she had her first Her son, my sister has scoliosis and I was very worried because I had to take anesthesia in a different way so as not to damage my spine, that's really good and I was making people laugh, so she lives in Campinas, São Paulo, I left the show, I took my car and then I went to Campinas, so I got there around 2 am and my brother-in-law attended the birth, he was passed Out, I was rocking, he wanted to

know if my sister was dead there, the secretary girl opened the door for me, she went to her room, which was on the The outside locked itself there and I was alone at home without knowing anything if she was ok or if she wasn't ok and I was on adrenaline, right, I had managed everything and I was worried, I stayed in the room at the back of the house looking outside, sleepless. I look like this and I see a light from a pole, which to me seemed huge, I said, but I've never seen a light

that size, no, how big, that street, my sister's house is here, there were about four houses here and this street that here it went up a little bit like this, so it would be here, ahem, this pole was actually facing me, exactly facing me, so it gave the impression that it was standing still, that's why I thought it was a lamp on the lamppost, it wasn't, this lamp was coming when it When I turned here on the street, I saw that it wasn't, it was a molot, ahem, looking from the street, it was like this

diagonally, right ? I saw nothing, there was no noise because there was a place where you Could hear everything silent, very silent and it was a bit of a glider, that light there, it looked here as if it were looking for something, well, I wanted to leave the house, I wanted to run there, I wanted to be locked in. da cas cont make contact and I was looking for the key I couldn't find the key and I went crazy inside that house and I didn't see anything the thing went away well And then the next

day dawn my brother-in-law woke up I found out about my sister and I told him about this thing I saw, let's call the airport to find out, no airport, nothing, let's call the Aeroclube, right? These club things like, there's nothing to stop, whether it's a glider that has something that can do it at this hour of the morning, even if it did, no, what's that? that I saw but you saw I saw a F You understand perfectly I saw it now and will it be And if I went there would it be good I would

be abducted you will never know you will never know next Bru which ancient civilization do you find most surprising in terms of technological advances or cultural aspects of the Egyptians Ah, I think it would be Egypt, even though we don't understand and don't know But who got this one Finally, right? I think it's Egypt, right? I think so, I also think so, right? I think next Bru Ivan, which one? It was the most challenging topic, the scariest or most sinister story you've ever presented on the channel, unknown facts But you like it, it's incredible, right?

career and we will ask everyone to continue following you on another level but you did it my love made you famous Ah boy, I think the most sinister thing for me is the story of the one I told you there who wanted to kill the other as It's like eating sexually and eating physiologically, it's horrible, it's terrible, it's terrible to know that that was true that that happened, that's true, that 's a human being, that's a human being, I don't know, my God, light, right, none, let's say, it's not none. because it exists but like

that, but the disconnection with the Divine is very grand, it's as if it had condensed the disease of everything there, right, it wasn't what you said, I also think that the fallen angels are people disconnected from the divine, from where we vect this it's disconnected but it's very far away so we Hope that one day it will reconnect which I think is the process that we will all have to do one day when did Luca say time in a time that is not time because this time that we know here it's not time for anything,

right it's not time for anything, right materially We are very perishable But I also think this case is a scary case scary cal Killer there are several psychopaths but at this level, right And it's always scary and it's always terrible, right? Each time we see a case, right in everyday life, where we question the lack of humanity, right? A person is human but not a human being, he did not constitute a human being, right in the broadest sense of the word, it is a strange thing, there is a a way of seeing that is not

mine that I have already heard that explains it to me and even explains a little that there are different positions here on earth that do not make anyone better, yes souls that are incarnating on earth and that are from the earth They are primitives of the earth they walk For now only on earth they have never incarnated in another place is out and others who have already lived this gives them more experience more understanding They are people Who have an easier time understanding what you are saying have more connection with with with the broader Divine

exactly perhaps with the work of the divine that I found interesting because it makes sense it makes sense you understand that there is a difference I think it makes total sense for some people I found it so interesting that I said look it could be This gives a little explanation about this Exactly, it's possible, it gives a rationality to differentiate different stages, right, because they are people who, it seems like my God in heaven, have never left here, right, they haven't left here yet, they haven't left the Stone Age, I don't know. that hasn't progressed

yet, it's close Bru, there are mysteries that you addressed on the channel that still intrigue you personally, which ones are I think you've already said, no, I've already said, no, there are no mysteries that we will live with forever, they don't even need to be on the channel, right, our existence existence is already time, not time, right, this time is not time, I always say there is a time that is not time, and then I have to pull it to my side, right, if we think that one neuron communicates with another to do everything our

Process of everything from thinking to talking about peeing in any case everything at a speed of just one in a fraction over 5000 seconds that's inag I say it's already a time that's not time I can't imagine one over 5000 imagine that This is the time but this is what is happening all the time in my existence and I can't imagine it . unimaginable what this is we are far from understanding What this is and this also comforts me Because if oooo I call it the design of the universe meha inexplicable I think I'm on

the right path it's because if I really wanted to think I knew something I was totally dominated by the Ego, this thing wasn't good, so when I say no, I can't imagine, it's that thing, right, we can never define it, right, God is good, no, God is exactly good and bad, it's our concept, it's human It's human, exactly, God, that's it, because God gave it to children , because God gave it to that, exactly, there isn't, it doesn't exist, it's better for us to talk, I don't know, And accept it, but it's great, it's great,

next Bru has already changed, Ivan has the dream of being an actor. theater could you give me some tips on how I could achieve this goal, it's cool to study, you'll have to study a little, you have to study, you have to read a lot, right, read especially about the duality of the human being, be a great observer, observer, like people, you have to like them a lot of people look understand start with your family Realize yours realize who is by your side, right and read a lot Read it is important to read I think

having the humility to be a spokesperson for many experiences Surely you have to free yourself there is a something that is said like this is that the actor has a greater ease in going to God than anyone else because because he is able to give up his personality for the sake of another. Of course, the actor in practice uses it and puts it in the other in the drawing of the other but he gives up so much that television took away a bit of that television brought the actor dressed as but not understanding what you're

talking about understood I understood not going deeply into it As the theater did, it does to you, you know when I came back after the having gone through All the experiences and I went back to the Theater for real I did a monologue and called the game of power, he is an experienced actor who is going to do a play and he immerses himself so strongly in the character that he discovers that the character is a lie uhum no he is not what he says he is he has this critical sense of saying that's what

it is that's it and then he can't do the play how is he going to do a Play if the character is a perfect liar, it's a lie, so he refuses on the day of the premiere, he arrives on stage and tells the audience that he's not going to do it and explains why, then he starts to talk about all the work involved in diving into the character, what it's like that he went deeper until he discovered that he was lying and started to say where he lies how did he lie interest he went so

deep that he couldn't give voice to it a lie how did he give voice to a perfect lie next Bru Ivan how the search for something spiritual can bring us balance and inner peace exactly what you will find balance and inner peace but first there is the Black night never forget that to find this you will first deny this Of yours abroad So there's a little war there, right? And you need to fight, you need to deny yourself to be able to come back. We go back to the actor's business there. He has to deny

himself so he can come back to himself. Then he almost talked about the Black Night, but I remembered. of the Dark Night Noca of Saint John of the Cross exactly Cruz makes this proposal there is a What is her name there is one that also talks about this that she follows the same path as Saint John of the Cross who is a woman who is a nun I don't know that she is a saint Today, right, but Saint John of the Cross, I remember it well, I got it, I won it, and the names, that's

not you, but I've always had a bad name, I'm dyslexic, the name Saint, Saint of the Cross, has this thing, you know, passing by, he'll deny God and He ends up finding you, first you have to know who you are exactly for you to find peace, right? You have to go beyond that limit, right? Otherwise you won't find it because you will take thoughts, you will take that reason, you have to strip yourself of yourself to be a fraction. from him exactly there you find peace yes perfect because there is someone to hold you and

that's it Just enjoy it you have to go through the night you have to go through there's no way not to go through it And it's violent you see it's violent always the birth is violent ah exactly the existence We're violent, right? We're born from an explosion between an egg and a sperm, we've always been violent, right? That's so crazy, right? Ivan, we've arrived at a very special moment, which is the pipinho pipinho moment, our mascot, this celebrity. happy happy happy son of Ana Beatriz she is a little demanding in his education she doesn't let

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