the jurgen experience there's a thing about your films though that i think i can keep getting back to this but because you did go over there it's almost like in your films like you have something you have to tell people but you yeah it's like you have to give them medicine but you got to give it to them in sugar i don't think of it that way i wanted to i take thorny subjects yeah but they're entertaining too because i want to know what happens next like you i think you have an interest in so
even political matters can be fascinating yes who else would do nixon's life right i mean come on he was not the most popular guy no he's an odd man for me it was a challenge yeah uh same thing with the jfk murder i mean it was so so gnarly that one's extra complex right because you took some liberties there to try to move the plot along yeah but liberty's in the spirit of the of the i didn't violate the truth right in this i mean i had to combine characters and so forth that is a
complex story the the story of jfk's assassination is very complex because i i can learn a lot from a person in what their opinion is like what do you think happened well lee harvey oswald acted alone you get these very specific character types where these people have these uh predetermined patterns that they plug into sure and the lee harvey oswald acted alone is one of the weirder ones yeah sure that is one of the weirdest arguments and when i talk to them about the magic bullet you know like and they go well that's actually been
proven that that can happen i mean that drives me nuts yeah sure because i'm a guy who shoots guns i'm a hunter and i know what happens when bullets hit bones it doesn't ever come out like that ever and also you i think you know it was a hell of a shot well the hell of a shot can happen i don't think it's that bad of a [ __ ] i don't think it's that big of a deal i think that's overstated there's many things that are overstated one of the things that's overstated is the
scope was off you know people always say well scope was off well [ __ ] anything can knock a scope off you can drop a gun in the evidence room and the scope's off that's that's nonsense that's people who don't understand guns but the bullet hitting those two people and finding its way onto connolly's gurney magically with very little distortion the boat at all is straight up horseshit and the fact that that that still gets touted as being well this is actually how it could have happened and weird things happen with bullets sure weird things
happen with bullets but one weird thing that never happens with bullets is when they hit bone and shatter bone they always distort always yeah i'm making it i made a documentary it's almost finished about we went back to the case again taking all the information from the assassination records review board that came out of the film they were they passed an act the jfk act congress did was amazing and uh they allowed the board to exist for five years and they went through a lot of detail they weren't out to prove anything but they would
they found a lot of little detail that we put into this documentary which i think you'll love i'm sure i love it it goes into it into ce399 the bullet but also goes into so much else on the autopsy that's screwed up the two autopsies the one in bethesda and also the one in dallas there was no one in dallas well they they did yeah they did examinations yeah of what happened to him in examinations in dallas everybody saw a huge gaping wound in the rear right of his mr kennedy's head yeah and that was
covered up mm-hmm yeah there was um there was also the reason why they needed to make that magic bullet work the guy who got hit under the underpass oh yeah it was just uh i know you're i could see your enthusiasm yeah yeah and also you know come on i mean if you're an infantryman you it's a you can't fire three shots like that why aren't you not firing at him when he's coming towards you if you really if you're serious it's very unlikely but possible i mean it can be done the shot can be
done but that's one of the least ridiculous things about that story is whether or not one person could have pulled off those shots i don't think it'd be done i think the world's best uh marksman couldn't do it i remember reading something about that no it's a hard shot it's a hard shot but hard shots can be made hard shots three shots in that time period depending upon how much he trained for it depending on i mean i've i've know some people that are spectacular marksmen that can do some ridiculous [ __ ] and do
it so fast he wasn't but he was also trained and if he depending upon how much training he did between his time in the service and his time actually getting ready to shoot kennedy you can get a lot better i don't know how much training he did i mean you could take someone who's three years ago a terrible shot and then he they kill someone you know well he couldn't have done it he's a terrible shot look three years ago he was a terrible shot well if that guy was training the entire time well the
seat i don't think the rifle look it can be done but again whether it's likely or not that could be debated but it's the least ridiculous thing about that story well wait till you see the documentary because we we go we i think we pretty much prove that there's no chain of evidence on on the rifle either no no i'm sure i'm sure did you read david lifton's book best evidence years ago yeah yeah that's what got me into the kennedy assassination somebody gave it to me a friend of mine a musician friend of mine
when i was on the road and i i read it unfortunately all day right before my stand-up comedy shows that night and i was so depressed yeah i didn't think anything was funny and i went on stage i had a terrible show and then uh i had to shake myself out of it for the second show because i was bummed out i was like i had never considered it before i'm like jesus christ they killed the president they covered it up yeah and we're paying for it to this day because i think mr kennedy was
one of the really on the road to being a great president i think he did a lot of great things that people don't even know and we put that in the documentary what he was actually doing in africa people don't know what he was doing around the world in asia in cuba obviously south america what his plans were people don't understand there was a big divide between lyndon johnson who he he was about to get rid of him as vice president for the next election there was a big divide in thinking between kennedy and johnson
kennedy was without doubt pulling out of the war there was a directive we we we bring it up in the from the uh a sec deaf conference in hawaii from earlier that year he was pulling out he made that very clear well there was also the northwoods document which is really crazy shocking when you actually because this is not speculation or any kind of conspiracy theory this is all from the freedom of information act signed by the joint chiefs of staff they were going to blow up a jet airliner and blame it on the cubans
they were going to arm cuban friendlies and attack guantanamo bay they're going to do all this to get us to go to war with cuba and it was it's it's stunning that this this is an this is an actual plan by the united states government vetoed by kennedy wasn't there a plan also to fly a plane into a building as i remember i don't know if there was there was a plane a plan to blow up a drone jetliner they were going to take a jetliner fly and blow it up in the sky and and
you know attribute all these deaths to that that came about actually the northwoods came about as a result of the movie because that was what they was found by the assassination records review board really yeah wow that's one of many documents that have come out that's why it's important for my safe space piece of mind to finish this thing it's kind of like okay this is the end i have to just put down the evidence because i couldn't do it in a film right that's what i was going to get to like what what is
it like when you have this passion for this story and this is a critical story in the history of the united states and a clear piece of i mean it's a clear historical record of an assassination of a president and most likely whether who i mean i don't know who do you think was behind it i think i'm not going to you know get a little sued because they're all dead but i think that alan dulles has to be looked at a lot closer and i think he was no longer in the cia but he
had a tremendous amount of influence and i think he needed some organized very organized top people to help him so i think it could have been a group of people that were involved in that maybe involving certain people in the pentagon too because there was an awful lot of strange things that happened yeah he certainly had some ideas that didn't jive well with the people that were in power dullness was fired by kennedy let's call it yeah which had never been done this was a shock to the american way of government i mean we come
from a pro-military system and here was kennedy questioning it and then uh you know when after he was killed i mean it was insane for lyndon johnson to appoint him to the warren commission where he managed to control pretty much the hearings and who who was hurt who wasn't married and what the cia was delivering to the was a joke it was transparent a joke there's a couple things that are joe arlen specter being the guy who comes up with the magic bullet there he's another joke yeah there's there's a lot of that that's just
very disturbing it's one of those things where you go over that subject and you just leave in this state of discomfort and unease and it's very hard to relax afterwards you
