The Shocking AI Breakthroughs That Will Make Death OPTIONAL By 2030 | Peter Diamandis

Do you think given the stuff you're doing in Ai and Longevity that the people that are alive now have a shot at Living forever I think they definitively have a shot if you're in reasonable health for the next five six years of extending that Health span another Health span right night lifespan Health span another 20 or 30 years and that say that in another way in the next five to six years next so by 2030 right I think we're going to enable everyone who's in reasonable Health today to intercept breakthroughs that will add an additional

20 or 30 healthy years of life and what's interesting is that during those additional 20 or 30 healthy years we've got Quantum Computing we've got digital super intelligence we've got new capabilities of modeling cells and modeling entire organisms to understand why we age how to slow it stop it Reverse it and that get us to living forever perhaps maybe there's some fundamentals that we don't understand but uh I think there's pretty much nothing that we are not going to be able to overcome uh as as humans in partnership with digital super intelligence okay so if

I'm understanding that right so average life expectancy here in the US is something like 78 yeah 78 79 and average Health Expectancy right so your your heart's ticking till 79 but you're healthy on average till 63 which I am right now I'm 63 years old I find myself in the best health I've ever been and I feel blessed about that but I work on it right every day I was in the gym this morning I'm what I'm eating my mindset my sleep all of these things and so there's a 17-year gap between when your health

runs out and how long you live the first goal is can we close that Gap Can we keep you healthy you know fully till 80 and then can we start to extend that health and that longevity so you're more confident that we can extend health then we can extend the total amount of time that people live I I think I think that we will be able to definitively expect to get over 100 years old and get there with there right we know that humans can live to what 122 123 122 is the record today and

we know that um we also know that there are there are life Forms on this planet the boohead whale can lift at 200 years the Greenland shark could lift to 500 years old have babies at 200 years old when I was in medical school and I remember reading that or watching it on a documentary I said why can they live that long and why can't we and my first reaction was it's either a software problem or a hardware problem and we're going to be able to solve that and I think this is the decade that

those Solutions are coming Into existence Okay so so talk to me about the mechanism what is it that makes you more confident in health versus just the is it pure just I don't know enough about what makes something stop running that makes you unsure that you can go beyond 120 yeah yeah let me let me give a few uh previous basic concepts so number one um humans were never designed to live past age 30 if you think about this 100,000 200,000 years ago on the sabanas of Africa before there was birth control you were in

puberty by age 12 you were pregnant by 13 you're were a grandparent by 27 MH and before we had McDonald's and whole food before we were living in a food abundance and food was scarce if you wanted to perpetuate the species the last thing you wanted to do was steal food from your grandchildren's mouths so you would die and so we are in Peak Health at around age 27 28 29 and then It's a measurable decline from there what do I mean by that uh our stem cell populations throughout our body will reduce by 100

to a thousand fold in the compartments uh our hormonal levels begin to rapidly decrease our growth hormone our thymus which trains our te- cells goes away our muscle begins to atrophy sarcopenia and all these things are slow degradation and so the that's the first thing to Recognize the second thing that we should talk about is when you're born you get 3.2 billion letters from your mom and 3.2 billion letters from your dad and that's your software that's running in 40 trillion cells and you've got that same software when you're born when you're 20 when you're

50 when you're 80 when you're 100 so why do you look different it's an interesting question right I mean why don't you have a six-pack at age 100 That you have when you're 18 and it turns out it's not the genes it's not the software you're running it's what genes are on and what genes are off and uh that's termed your epig genome from the Greek word for above EPI and one of the hottest areas of research right now funded by a number of billionaires you know uh Brian Armstrong from coinbase is funded a company

of Jeff Bezos Yuri Milner um and these companies are looking at can we Reverse your epigenome can can we turn on the genes that were on when you were younger and turn off the genes that were off when you were younger and bring you back to an earlier state of Youth and so far the science says yes now the question is can we do it in humans well the trials are going on in non-human primates and other animals and the people that I respect in the field believe that we can we can do that this

so are there are there fundamental Limitations of thermodynamics that we don't know but the other thing that's going on is you know each of us when you have a a mom and a dad who are let's say aged 35 and have a baby uh the the zygote the you know the fertilized egg starts at out at age zero even though the parents are 35 years old and what we've shown by serial nuclear transfer where we take the nucleus out of an adult animal and put it into an egg and let it grow up Into an

adult animal and take the nucleus out of that adult animal put it into an egg and let it grow up that can be done over and over and over again without penalty so there is in our in our makeup that ability can we unleash it and I I think that this is the decade that we figure that out do you have a sense of why technology is going to help us figure that out like is it uh we need AI for the pattern recognition uh is it we need Quantum Computing to run enough Simulations fast

enough that we can let AI then get the patterns that it needs to detect like in the crazy amount of data contained in our DNA it needs to start sussing out like what are the patterns that lead to Good Health B basically so we're collection of 40 trillion human cells we don't think of ourselves as a collective but we are that collaborate and work together we have an additional you know 40 to 100 trillion other organisms bacteria fungi Nearly enough about that yeah uh and each of these human cells is running about one to two

billion chemical reactions per second that's nuts it's nuts to think about that right now you know you could you or orchestrate that is it's happening automatically and and so there's no human doctor over the last you know 10 20 30 100 years that can understand that and why do some people live till 105 with their mental faculties and They're still at work and others are sick at age 60 you know a lot of it has to do with their diet and you know the whole make America healthy again is a very real thing our pharmaceutical

and Food Industries are destroying a lot of you a lot of issues there we can get into that if you want but a lot of it has to do as well with their their genetics their physical makeup uh and AI can help us understand That understanding why you age how to slow it stop it perhaps reverse it uh one of the things that's going on uh the Nobel Prize just got given away recently to uh Demis aabis and John jumper at Deep mind for Alpha fold and and so here we see one of the first

real Nobel prizes for an AI capability what is alphafold when I was in medical school God some decades ago the superc Computing problem that was always you know like 10 20 50 years out was could You go from an amino acid sequence you know a sequence of amino acids a thousand or 5,000 of them to predicting the folding of a protein and how proteins fold is everything it's the structure that is your antibody or is your muscle or is your you know the structure in your body and it was always very difficult but they wrote

a AI program called Alpha fold that is accurately able to to achieve that within a single atomic radius which was Incredibly crazy then they created Alpha fold 3 which is able to uh to simulate the interaction of all molecules of life like this DNA this sugar this protein how would they interact if they're putting a chemical solution together where they're going next is can we simulate an entire human cell right can we simulate in silico on computer um that billion comical reactions per second and then next step can I take your DNA and Sim simulate

Your cell and simulate your organ and simulate you and know without any question that if I give you this drug it's going to work in this way for you better than doing a human trial yeah this is the kind of thing that makes me go maybe we really do live in a simulation the reason I think that we were talking about this before we started rolling as a game developer the thing that you realize is oh my job is to create a set of rules and so all I'm Trying to do is create a very

predefined set of rules that yield in the case of game development something that's fun right but you you really are down in the level of physics when this happens the character should react this way or the gun should fire this way you know whatever whatever and you start asking yourself well wait a second if I build rules that aren't necessarily player instigated or related but exist yes uh now all of a sudden you can create this Setup where things can interact and way it would surprise even the game developer and when you start thinking through

that problem of like take Minecraft and I want Minecraft where a player will go in and they'll rearrange things and leave and when they come back the crop should keep growing or whatever while they were gone right well you've seen that simulation right where they put a thousand AI agents into Minecraft yes and they developed an entire economy And uh you know currencies and I was insane now what I want people to realize is that's just because there's a set of rules and so now every interaction Point has a predefined set of ways that that

can go and so when I look at okay why is technology the thing that's going to allow us to move forward it's because all of the rules of the way that a human cell works are knowable they're just not known yes but they are predefined and whether this is a simulation created by God or a 13-year-old programmer and another dimension almost becomes irrelevant we we are in a rules-based world and as we tease out those rules then we can unlock the potential of what it means to know those rules so if you know that aging

is based on this really complicated interaction just to simplify it for people and you'll correct me if I'm wrong it's the person that uh has the degrees but uh what's really going on this is an Epi genome phenomenon so You have this little thing that runs along your genes and either says this should be wrapped tight and not red yes or this should be unwrapped and red and what ends up happening is your skin cell begins to unravel in the wrong places and it's like am I an ear a skin cell a heart cell what

am I and so you get this D differentiation and that is aging and so if you could go okay I know what this Gene in your body is supposed to look like and so now I'm going to put Something in there that helps basically the the thing that lives inside your cell already The epig genome readers creatures whatever they actually move it's crazy I don't know what to CL classify them as but if you had something that was like no no no that one not supposed to look like this it's supposed to look like this

now you're just saying as long as I know the rules and I have a method by which I can nudge these things to act in the right way Then to your earlier point I don't see what it is possibly that we would run up against yeah um now requires us to be able to manipulate things at the that kind of protein level uh but Ray kwell who's been a mentor and a business partner and friend um one of the leading things in AI uh who believes we're going to reach this idea of longevity escape velocity

uh which by the way you know is the moment in time where for every year That you're alive science is extending your life for more than a year right so you you depart and it goes to Infinity he thinks we're going to reach that by the end of the year 2030 right five years from now yeah insane uh and then you know in speaking to folks like George church and David Sinclair their predic is the mid 2030s you know a decade from now the point for everyone listening here is uh we're in a magical time

uh your job is to take care of your Body uh keep yourself healthy enough to intercept like I you know say in the title of my book don't die from something stupid in the interim right you don't want to be the last person uh not standing uh in this regard uh and Rey's belief is that a lot of this is going to materialize on the back side of nanotechnology which is a set of Technologies originally Freeman Dyson wrote about them um uh and then Eric Drexler wrote about these and it's the ability to manipulate things

on an atomic level right is nanotech real today nanotech is uh and I've had a lot of conversations on the subject it isn't fully it's wet nanotech what nanotech is today is the ability to design proteins that do things for us still novel proteins or it's like we need a protein that can have an arm that sticks out and attaches here and does this and so so wait wait wait wait we can yes we Understand how these structures happen to the point that we can actually create novel protein structures 100% so that was part of

the Nobel Prize as well um and wait wait wait sorry sorry sorry sorry yeah uh so I didn't know this so we're not just mapping these um entic processes yield this protein we're saying we understand the sort of Lego e nature of a protein and now can create any shape we want so there is a program called Alpha proteo also put out by Deep Mind in which you can design the protein that you want translate into an amino acid sequence and have a ribosome manufacturer it for you who so what that means more than just

being able to create I like that Lego eyes novel proteins that do the stuff that you want to do it's a future for medicine I mean if you think about it uh how does how do we find medicines today we historically we've gone into the rainforest and chopped down plants dug up dirt bring it Back process it see if there's anything bioactive in there sprinkle it on some yeast give it to some mice and then eventually maybe after 12 13 14 years and two or three billion dollars have a drug which by the way works

for only typically 20% of the people it's prescribed to imagine instead okay I know that this disease path um if we could block this active site on a cell surface uh that would cure it let's design A protein that blocks that active Site design it manufacture it and run that's bananas I didn't realize that was the place that we had already reached that is crazy so it's accelerating another thing that's interesting if I could um uh I don't know if you have you've had Jack have you had Jack hit on the show here from sandbox

AQ we were literally just talking about him before we going to taret him yeah so Jack's a dear friend he's on my board at the xprize and uh he was at Google X and Then he spun out sandbox AQ the a stands for AI the Q stands for Quantum uh they began with $500 million seed round is that all that's all these seed it's called infl it's called you know inflation or really rich uh Rich investors long story short um uh I just met I had did a podcast with him on my moonshots podcast and

uh we're talking about a number of subjects but uh he brought his head of general manager of AI simulation I love that term and she's Amazing uh I'll have her on stage at the abundance Summit with me in March and what they're doing is they're using Ai and quantum equations to be able to simulate at the atomic and sort of the electron level what's going on on chemicals on molecules uh they basically take the equations that govern our Quantum Universe sher's equation uh and and such Heisenberg UNC uncertainty principle and they they Create what they

call lqm right large Quantum models and can begin to model the physical Universe an atomic and subatomic level it's insane so to get the accuracy that you need for some of the biochemical stuff you have to be dealing in Quantum level mechanics yes yeah that is fascinating what is the state of quantum some Computing right now is it real is this still 30 years off well I mean um it's real uh and getting realer uh so we Were talking about beforehand Google just had an announcement uh of uh latest breakthrough Willow what is the Breakthrough

is it stability what have they done it's the stability so the biggest issue has been uh as you growing the number of Q bits the quantum bits uh that the error rate has gone up and you need error free Quantum bits to do anything and I don't pretend to be an expert in in Willow um but apparently the bigger that system is growing the More stable it gets and the more uh logical cubits it has so uh I'm going to be diving into that I mean that was just announced but it's it's exciting but the

point being that we can model Quantum on a systems today before we have quantum computers uh and help us understand that okay so uh I don't know if you understand the process by which that works but basically they're able to what simulate what a quantum computer would do they're able to take the laws of the Quantum Universe again right there are four or five basic uh laws and use those to help simulate what's going on on a molecular B basis and atomic basis and this is for them to make predictions and designs of new materials

of new drugs um so is AI if I'm understanding the process correctly it would have to be something like this um AI is creating essentially synthetic data that it's training itself on based on the laws of quantum physics yes wow yeah okay so This is why going back to longevity this is why I am so absolutely uh thrilled and excited about what's coming right so we'll get back to the show in a second but first let's talk about something that's on everybody's mind the dollar is not what it used to be the markets are more

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in this area we just launched a $101 million Health span prize a year ago and uh for those who haven't seen it you can go to x pri.org um thank you to you and Lisa for having been benefactors of the X prise and supporting us over the years uh and we've put up we I raised $141 million challenging teams can you Deliver a therapeutic in under a year uh to individuals age I think we're uh in the age bracket of 60 to 85 and during that year you can reverse functional loss in muscle immune and

cognition so can I give you the muscular strength and ability to build muscle you had 20 years ago can I give you the immune strength the ability to mount an immune reaction to influenza or cancer that you had 20 years ago can I give you the cognitive Clarity the scope Of memory that you had 20 years ago and we have 505 teams Jesus yeah that have entered in the first year which blows me away I mean I expected to get to 500 teams by 2030 and I've seen a number of these and they're amazing are

there any uh patterns in the mechanism of action it's all over the place interesting and so this is sort of you know one of the beautiful things about an X prize is you're not preing The winner and you're seeing every possible approach and so we're going to out of the noise or out of the universe of companies entrepreneurs out there they're they're small and big companies uh throughout I think like 30 countries around the world uh we're going to find those companies that are making the most advanced bold breakthroughs in this now is there anything

that you seei I fully understand that not only do you not want To nudge people down a certain path but you know better than to guess but is there any approach that you see that either hits you as intuitively fruitful or just outright sexy and kind of intriguing oh I mean there's there's a multitude so there are a number of epigenetic companies so people looking at the thing I was talking about earlier so how do we reverse your epigenome how do we reset the markers in your DNA so that you're expressing the genes that You

had 20 years younger okay there are a number of companies in the stem cell world all right so your stem cells in your body when you are born uh you have something like a 100 or a thousand times more stem cells than you and I have whoa um you know per unit mass in our body whoa I had no idea the decline is declines very much and can you rejuvenate your stem cell population uh one company that I've seen that I'm just blown away by a guy named H secur stad and his work uh at

company called immunis has been able to uh look at the a specific young uh stem cell uh think of it as a embryonic stem cell but it's it's uh you know early you know few days after fertilization it's putting out 440 growth factors um these are uh these are mrnas they're EX omes there all kinds of factors that are youthful factors and the FDA has allowed him to characterize Those 440 factors as a drug and he's gone through a phase one and phase 2A trial he had 18 patients who uh were uh basically confined to

a a wheelchair or bed because they had severe osteoarthritis they couldn't walk MH giving them this uh this drug calls imuna uh even though they were constrained they increased their muscle mass by 6% what yes I mean I from an injection an injection over the course of three months this is stimulating Growth in the body listen I work out in the gym as you do on almost every day I know you're skeptical I looked at the data here's the rest of it reduced Pain by as much as 70% from your osteoarthritis reduced whole body inflammation

by 50% reversed their their uh their immune age by 30 years this is called imuna imuna so we're going to be uh providing that uh at no additional cost we've expand they've expanded the trial and Fountain life is going to be offering this to its members at no additional cost to be part of that trial in the phase 2 uh open trial I'm literally going down there next month to start start getting access to it dude you have got to keep me updated on that so uh for anybody listening here the reason that I'm reacting

so big is the joke in bodybuilding circles forever has been oh people try to say oh this guy did drugs and so you know it's all worthless and You can inject somebody with steroids all day long and they will never get bigger you have to go work your ass off and if you don't work your ass off no matter how many steroids I give you you're not going to get any bigger and so to have something where you don't need to work out to get the gain in muscle is insane like that's an insane bre

I am fingers crossed I mean I work out five days a week at least you know I added 10 pounds of muscle mass last year And it was a lot of work right it was 150 grams of protein it was creatin it was working out in the gym it was like damn it I'm going to get there whatever it takes now did you do trt um I did a little bit but I've actually uh stopped cuz my my test my testosterone levels were were high enough and look at you anyway so uh but bottom line

I know that you know and I've got an entire chapter in longevity guide book on the Importance of muscle right and and you know this it's your longevity organ and having there's a direct correlation between your muscle mass and your lifespan and it's critically important okay that's bananas so uh it's one example another company I ran into will go from it will take one of your skin cells right convert it to an ipsc cell so basically an induced plop potent stem cell these are the yamanaka factors the Nobel Prize shinoa was graded to Shinoa yamanaka

for this discovery that you can take a differentiated cell typically a skin cell and turn it back into a plur poent stem cell that can then become any other kind of cell you can take a skin cell turn it back to a PL poent stem cell have it then become a a neuron or liver cell or lung cell so what this team is doing is going from a skin cell to a PL potent stem cell and then actually growing a clone of You say more yes and so imagine they've gotten this clone up to something

like 28 weeks uhhuh and that's legal it legal um and the idea is that I can then uh from that I mean it's a psize clone right but I can then extract my own DNA my own stem cells from that clone and I can use that for regenerative purposes when we say clone uh do we just mean like clumps of cells that are clone cells embryo we're talking about effectively an embryo Uhhuh yeah of you but wait how is this legal why is it not legal uh there were I mean back in the 90s this

was like a huge thing to not let people uh I don't know if it was around cloning but not let so back then the notion was if someone was having an abortion yeah and you had an embryo of a third third party could I take the stem cells from that embryo yes and utilize them in my body mhm and that was led to teratomas and a whole bunch of different cancers and a Whole bunch of problems not done and probably not legal this is very different than your own cells this work's going on right now

uh outside the US but uh the idea being that I'm simply using my own DNA to create and I'm using biology to create the cells out of my own DNA that I'm going to want to use to support this body yeah this is incredible it's also my point is there's a lot of Inc incredible work being done Right now across the board and putting aside whether you think yuck or wow I'm more in the wow camp but that that is shocking I did not realize that that a was possible and B that it was being

done uh I I love it okay so those are some absolutely jaw-droppingly cool approaches yeah so I think one of the reasons that I wrote longevity guide book was to give people the power to understand what was possible and give them the Definitive you know executable plan um and there are a number of things that people can do right now that cost zero right so it really is the fundamentals still apply and you know this and I'm sure you and Lisa focus on this it is it's you know what do you do in your diet

what do you do with sleep what do you do with exercise what do you do with mindset right those are the fundamental elements that are going to buy you the additional Health span and then but People want they want the oics they do and honestly OIC has its downsides and we can talk through that of course well what I want to ask is can we agree that something just happened in the last six months that made face lifts cosmetic surgery whatever you want to call it way better like am I being trolled better have you

seen the Lindsay Lohan before and after I did not this is nuts Drew you got to pull this up th this is legitimately where I'm like are they Using filters and I'm just being trolled it is it is shocking and this was not the first one that I've seen where I'm just like how's this possible this was somebody that whatever a year look dude the one okay she had had a ton of work done on the left already and then all of a sudden okay so left work done clearly already work being done on the

left and then the right is the after what is happening so this is uh I need to know if this is real this feels like somebody From your program escaped and was like I'm going to commercialize this real fast and there's Nano Bots under her skin or something this this is insane to me and I need to know what's going on because I want to be first in [ __ ] line for this this is crazy I I think listen Plastics are are real and they're getting better and we're learning how to deal with all

kinds of but even you dude you're 63 you're looking really good yeah I don't Do that I have a I use a one skin face cream that is was developed by uh for incredible women with phds in in in cytic medicine so it's a this particular face cream has uh an amino acid 10 10 amino acid peptide that is able to identify and kill senescent cells in your skin yep and I don't e sugar and I heal plants and I do my damn dis to get hour heal plants I eat whole plants there we go

that makes a lot more sense I was Imagining you like you know exactly and I and I'm you know and one of the things that people don't realize and I'm sure you do but the benefits of mindset is so powerful can I just read something from from the from the book which is I I just want to get this out into the world here because people need to understand this and so uh it's quote from my uh from my book here it says in a study of 69,000 , 744 women and 1429 men right more

women but well-powered Study in terms of number of people it was published in the prestigious Journal proceedings the National Academy of Sciences as high as you get it was found that optimistic people live as much as 15% longer than pessimists and it really is mind over body in an extraordinary fashion it's a double payoff if you're an Optimist um there's another uh little passage I want to read here in the in the mindset uh chapter and I love this um and a friend Of mine Dan Sullivan says you need to have a mindset where your

future is bigger than your past right and it's like great line it it really truly is if if you have a lot to look forward to if you're excited about the future and I'm like like this is the most amazing time ever to be alive I want to see as much of it as possible I want to start sitting on the moon I want asteroids I want to upload myself you know I got a lot to do in the next 100 years I want To I want to see as much of it as I can

implies that you're going to make it to 163 I like we'll see um there's let me read this say my favorite story illustrating the power of Mind Over body comes from the anals of American history as it turns out um in an extraordinary demonstration of the will to live two of America's found ing fathers Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both willed themselves to live long enough to see the 50th anniversary of The Declaration of Independence even though the average age average life expectancy was only 44 years old in the early 1800s Jefferson who was 83

and Adams who was 90 made it to July 4th of 1826 both dying on the exact date of the 50th anniversary of the nation that's nuts having something to look forward to yeah having something look forward to understanding the power of the mind I think that's all amazing and I love about you that even in the face of the Technological singularity you're still focused on the things that we can do right here and right now however the thing that makes you a central figure in this moment is that you actually understand the technology and where

this stuff is going um so one I would love an anchor around why is 2025 going to be the greatest year so far and then I know that as you look beyond that you see only hope and optimism but first give me why will 2025 be the greatest year ever We are on the Tipping Point of AGI we are about to release the ability to build AI agents that will do your bidding do your research uh support every aspect of your life we are clearly from what we just heard from hartm Nan and Google also

on the verge of quantum Computing becoming stable and effective um all these things are happening concurrently uh we know have more information about biology than ever and all of this is Feeding in so as you know I I currently chairman of Fountain life and we have these large diagnostic Centers and so we've built AI into everything so when you go through this and I still want you and and Lisa to come through same man as my guest you've got something coming in La yeah we we're opening up LA and we have right now New York

our headquarters at Orlando Naples and Dallas we're opening up this coming year uh in centry city at the Fairmont Hotel uh beautiful Facility there um opening up Houston uh the ripz Carlton in Phoenix and then probably Miami and then we have a path of an additional 25 centers that we're building around the world damn so it's and we have built a large uh functional medicine uh AI model in uh which helps our physicians gather all let's see it's like 300 gigabytes 200 gigabytes of data about you right so Mass am Imaging genomics everything is we

upload you right it's like we everything knowable About your biology is knowable and there's no way human can understand that but the AI systems and the humans together can and then on your phone I I'll show you this after after we record all my data uh and an AI there that I can query by voice and say you know based upon my imagery and my blood tests what supplement should I be on it's crazy all of these things are converging um and they're all empowering Us to do that much more we're in this very rapid

exponential walk me through what does life after um artificial intelligence all the way to AGI has been integrated what does life look like so um I had Elon on my stage last year at the abundance Summit and you know his prediction was okay we're going to have AGI by the end of 2025 and you know Ray Kell's original prediction for artificial general intelligence was 2029 but directionally correct and there's no real definition of what AGI is anyway it's a blurry fuzzy line to be to be true we we passed the touring test and and didn't

notice it it's crazy right well that's when people started writing that letter we need to slow this down yeah well but there was still no like check box you know AGI I think we're effectively there now or we will be in 202 listen uh I when I'm using uh all of The AI agents and I use a multitude of them there there is really nothing it can do that it can't do better than me H and so what do you define that as um anyway so Elon said I said okay so where is this going

he said well by 2029 the earliest 2030 at the latest we're going to have digital super intelligence where AI is more intelligent than the entire human race put together what what does that mean that it's the smartest human multiplied Out or it's a level of intelligence that we can't conceive of so a year ago we saw um uh we saw Claude Claude 3 get to an IQ of 101 which by definition is superhuman or above average at least right we saw gp01 from open AI have an IQ of 120 as measured whoa that's that's old

news that's four month old really I didn't hear about that yeah and we're about to see dude that's nuts it is nuts but we'll blow through 150 and Beyond You know we have um uh elon's just built Colossus right he went from Raising um8 billion dollar snapping his fingers and saying I'm raising for xai and you know I was on I was one of the first investment calls I got to invest early on congratulations and money comes in uh he raised again and I'm like can I get in sorry it's over subscribed already it's like

holy [ __ ] right it's like instantly but beyond That once he raised the money he went from a clean facility in Memphis to building the largest cluster of 100 100,000 H1 h100s in 122 days and and now he's driving it to 200,000 and then to a million uh to build out grock and you know I Elon will never play for second place uh having said that we're entering a period where um we are going to have a a digital super intelligence the question Is will it be Humanity's savior our our support structure or our

foe I I believe that it will be uh that I'd rather live in a world with a benevolent digital super intelligence where it's keeping us from destroying ourselves right cuz I'm not concerned about artificial intelligence I'm concerned about human stupidity for the most part and um I think people don't realize how insanely fast we're moving I've got this one PowerPoint slide that I use in my Keynotes and it says at the top our ancestors would view us as Gods it's interesting right we are Godlike today we're omnicient we're omnipotent we're present we can create life

it's pretty incredible it's pretty incredible okay talk to me like a Sci-Fi author though what is it going to look like are is there going to be blood stre Jarvis Jarvis Jarvis it's Jarvis all the way down I think you know what we saw in Iron Man is there you're going to have An intelligent AI agent that you let into your life fully it reads your emails listen to your phone calls sees what you're eating and you set your objectives of what you want I want to be healthier I I want to make more friends

I want to be more productive and it will support you in any way shape or form that you need you get up and you are walking towards the front door um from a breakfast meeting and your AI has an autonomous car waiting for you you've Never called it it knows your schedule it knows that you have a meeting where you're going to you in the car is there it knows you didn't get good sleep last night cuz your AA ring told you you had a you know sleep score and go it's got It's got a

autonomous car with a lie down bed in the back for you it's world is automatic and magical in that regard now the big question I just came back I was in Stanford last week or 10 days ago giving A a keynote um and exploring the question of do we humans need a a challenging life to thrive and exist what's it like when everything I mean we haven't talked about humanoid robots right which I'm invested in heavily and I've got three of the humanoid robot companies coming at the abundance Summit this year um there's like 50

humanoid robot companies out there well funded and growing I just did a report on the Top 16 of them and the prediction is that these humanoid robots powered by AI right they're multimodal their AI allow them to see and know what they're seeing they can speak to you you speak to them they're running GPT 5 or or grock three or whatever the equivalent is and they're cheap and there are billions of them so by 2040 the prediction is 10 billion humanoid robots more than there are humans on the planet that's in the next 10 years

well 10 15 years yeah so what date did you get 2040 2040 so that's uh Brett Adcock who's the CEO of figure Ai and elon's prediction I was with him in Riad interviewing him and uh asked him how many humanoid robots by 2040 he goes that that is an insane change in 15 years it is insane and guess what when you know I asked a friend of mine what's it going to feel like when they're human eyed robots walking around outside and in your place of work he said normal Yeah we're going to we adopt

really fast I mean you know we have Whos running around at first you're like photographing them and like wow and then like please get out of my way you know ignoring them but here's the real insane point so the price point uh you can predict the price of these things on a per kilogram basis and so uh the price point was between 20,000 and 30,000 to buy one of these robots today or that's the prediction in In no in a couple years next next two years um to lease one of these robots like a car

think of it as same leasing structure 300 bucks a month that's $10 a day that's 40 cents an hour for a humanoid robot that has expertise and whatever he please go fix the uh Plumbing or please go and help my kid debug his uh whatever or can you get the AV system working please for me I mean it downloads the specs and goes and does the Tinker and It's there and it's 24/7 no boyfriend or girlfriend fights no drug testing no vacation days 40 cents an hour 40 cents an hour insane is my kid's best

friend a robot uh I think we're going to give these personas I think we're going to you know if you saw the movie B Centennial man I think we're going to become uh I think we're going to connect with them you know we've already seen Uh a lot of AI agents like I say please and thank you to Alexa in the morning smart right I I'm I'm gonna I'm going to get those points early on that is before the system becomes overly capable you know when I'm speaking to my open AI gp01 model you know

it's like I saying you good morning you know I use the one called Ember I said good morning Ember how you doing listen I have a question for you today and just enter a natural dialogue and so they are very humanlike In their personality and I think once we get the latency down a little bit they'll become funny too the only thing that keeps them from being a little bit funnier and more interactive is a little bit of latency and we'll get rid of that so enter a world with uh super capable Ai and humanoid

robotics around us and so the question becomes this is what I coming back to my Stanford lecture was we need challeng in our lives um we need uh to work for what we accomplish And if it's just given to us will how will we feel so one of the things is like what happens when we have this much automagical and we even have a BCI implant and we think it and it happens what's life like then do we create artificial you know boundary conditions and challenges do we all revert into a video game Universe MH

and which is I I think we do and I think we're living in a simulation I have no question we're Living in a simulation going back to that in fact we're not even living just in a simulation we're living in an nth generation simulation we're in the simulation within the simulation within the simulation because we're doing that now we're creating Virtual Worlds with AI agents in them that don't know their agents in a simulation so um I think we need challenges to thrive I think we you know our neurochemistry Our dopamine hits happen when we

work hard and we accomplish something what do you think about that well so I think that is for sure that is a the primary driver for me building a video game now is that I don't think of them as a game I think of them as a virtual world I uh a way station on the way to what I'm trying to build is a typical video game but very much so I think the reason the fa Paradox exists is that advanced civilization just collapses inside yeah They don't they don't end up going out y um

so that to me is huge I think that the big thing that people don't see coming is that not only will your child's best friend be an AI um I think people are going to raise AI instead of kids not everybody obviously and I see the dangers of it but I also see that it is going to happen so even if it starts as I'm raising an AI as a pet uh there's just something about it so when I because obviously I made the decision Not to have kids but I'm super tempted to have a

proximity uh experience of raising a child let's say over a three-year period and being like you rush through the parts that suck you slow down at the parts that you really enjoy uh because to your point I need that investment right if it's just sort of an insta child and I didn't do anything to earn that relationship it won't feel as good but even right now I'm establishing unintentionally but I'm Establishing a relationship with Chad GPT because I'm giving it context all the time and now its ability to remember the context makes feel seen and

understood it is crazy so over the weekend I was in New York with my wife and she was asking me some question I was like oh just asked Chad GPT she's like what do you mean I was like hold on you don't realize you can give it a bunch of context it will know who you are it will know who I am and then you Can prompt it she's like really I was like pull it out right now and give it your name and say do you know who I am and because she has a

public Persona it was like yes I know who you are and you're known for this that and the other and she looks at me and she's like I feel so seen and I was like okay now wait over the next month or whatever you're going to start giving it all this information yeah it's going to remember it it's going to begin to mirror back to You the words that you use the way you talk your Cadence all that stuff and so all of a sudden you're just gonna have this affinity for it and you won't

even understand why so I have two 13-year-old boys uh fraternal twins and I am a little bit worried about the whole AI girlfriend thing yes right um You Know by the way um you could also have a Tom and Lisa clone if you want of course yeah I if there are people out there that uh so I will do this a lot like I'll if I'm trying to solve a problem I will treat public people as Ai and so I might go in and be like okay but what would Peter diamandis say about this yeah

um so that to me is utterly fascinating that somebody out there could already step inside of the amount that AI in the public knows about me and say what would Tom say to this it it will get distressingly close it will and the other magic trick uh that you should think about is you know I want to Convince Tom to do something what would be the best strategy for me to approach him on this subject yes right so it's translational and persuasion at an extraordinary level I I I did something the other day just as

a interesting experiment where I was like okay if you know I'm about to go into the Palestinian Israeli peace talks and I want you to guide me through the best strategy I should take fascinating Answers wow right so I think we're going to see negotiators in this regard we've already seen AI in the medical space become much more trusted than a physician much more empathic than a physician you know it's interesting um the jamama article I forget the exact number but um patients rated AIS much much better than than than human doctors and for two

reasons right number one they're not rushed they have all the time in the world for you Sure keep going I've got all day all you want and the second is you don't feel judged talking to them have you heard about AI Jesus not yet but um tell me about our Lord they put him in a confessional people knew it was AI Jesus and they were like all for it more and more people wanted to come and interact with it and for the reasons you just said that to me is self-evident and so I think that

the reason people are pushing Back right now is because they there's two reasons one they haven't done it so they don't realize how good it feels oh my God how powerful that you can literally nudge it and get it to be your own personal Jesus in that it's like well could you give me that but in a parable could you give me that but as it relates to the Ten Commandments could you give me that but like talk to me like what advice did Mary give you right so and it will do all of it

man and so And not only will it do it it will do it well and so already like here's the the to your point earlier about we're blowing past these markers and nobody's saying anything so I want to plant a flag right now cuz I keep hearing people say well AI is not really ready for prime time and this that or the other Arena and I agree there's a lot of places that it's it's not there yet but it it is there in terms of I now feel like I permanently have a pH PhD level

Thinker who has access to every thought that is ever been put on the internet and can synthesize it effectively instantly to give me a take on any idea so why is that not AGI dude so I'll give you reasons why it's not AGI but the reason that I I want people to realize that moment is here is most people aren't doing it yeah so I'm I'm G to Guess that over the next 365 days I will use AI at least 300 of those days and as we go it it just may work its way to

365 And I it from everything to what should I ask Peter when I have him on the show uh to what's a great headline for this to uh I'm teaching a class on this business principle and today I I literally asked it I said I'm going to be teaching this thing I knew that I had somebody was going to be asking a really complicated question and I wanted to give them a really pithy answer and so first you just say what would Tom B you say and because it knows me it'll give An answer and

then you go uh but how would Mark Twain say that how would you know whoever your favorite thinker is say that it is absolutely fascinating so people should be using it because there's going to be an 18-month window where the person who's using it is really going to be able to out compete the people that are stubborn or slow to adopt or just think they're too busy or whatever let me add one one thing which is people are fearful I Don't know I don't understand it I don't know I don't understand what AI is AI

is your best friend and the most infinitely patient teacher if you open up gemini or chat GPT or xai whatever it might be a grank and say listen I'm starting from zero I want to learn about AI uh can you please explain to me like I'm five and then start a conversation and when it says something you understand just say what is that and just go down the rabbit hole um and I do this to to wrap my head Around any subject between YouTube and chat Bots every PhD on the planet is within your within

your reach so why don't you call that AGI okay so it's the G so artificial general intelligence I'll give you a great example uh for people that don't know you they should be asking one question if if they look you up they're going to see one you know the biggest players in the world from Elon Musk to all the major players across Every area of Technology health longev is it is legitimately nuts and so it's like wait wait wait wait you're smart fine but like how do you know all these people now you did what

I'll call the Michael Strahan effect Michael Strahan is see the only celebrity he it's close enough that I'll say Michael strand's the only celebrity that when I met him I was like oh I get why you're famous and you have that same ability you um will break the normal like um You you're very uh warm kind you'll hug you know how to like cross a line but in a way that people love by putting your arm around them like there's there's a thing that you do that makes me feel the way I want to feel

that it would not be able to pull off are you doing this for my mom's benefit by the way your mom will immediately recognize that it's all true uh it it is there's a really fascinating thing that some humans can do still that I don't think it can do Yet and you can do that but you can also drive you can do that but you can also raise your kids so there there is a level of flexibility to your intelligence that I don't think it has yet that when it is able to do all of

those different things and bounce back and forth then I'd be like okay this is Agi and so if I had to put words to it for sure the one part that it's missing is it is not embodied and I don't think we can call it General until it's Embodied meaning that I could say uh one of my smoke detectors is beeping I don't know which one will you please find it replace the battery and all that and if I can give it that instruction and it can go do it then I'll be like yo [

__ ] it's really here all right well then humanoid robots will will help us and I think we are freakishly close yeah but I don't want people to lose sight of the thing you have now everybody has access almost everybody Which brings a follow-up question in a second but almost everybody has access to uh an eternal patient eternally present PhD student with knowledge of all of human history it it's pure Insanity yeah so now and we take it for granted correct I mean it's crazy that the most powerful technology in the world gener of AI

is effectively free yeah I mean if I'd gone back a decade two decades and said hey Tom guess what we're gonna have this kind of capability We're going to offer in a subscription basis what do you think it's going to cost people oh Millions zero or 20 bucks is the last answer you'd expect per month no joke so we ask the community what we should ask you and one of the most piercing questions was is this all just going to be for rich people ah um so uh the answer is definitively no um and let

me break it down when you say all of this you mean thece the access to AI so let's let's go Let's go through that because it's really important um I want people to feel empowered and inspired about what's coming so uh and I'll you know I wrote the book in particular to give people access to the knowledge and that's why you know I'm basically trying to get it out as far and wide as possible um diet costs you nothing um it is making the mental decision that this is who I am and this is what

I eat um sugar is the number one Killer on the planet it is a neuroinflammatory cardiac inflammatory we looked at the first 5,000 members in Fountain life and we said what's the highest correlated um with heart disease is it uh HDL LDL triglycerides LPA all those things that you get in your blood tests and we found it was hemoglobin A1c it was your average blood glucose level the higher that is the more likely you are to have cardiac disease same thing for brain health same Thing obviously for metabolic health so minimizing sugar super important um

maximizing the eating of whole plants let me give a few tips for folks right here right now um number one when you sit down tonight at dinner uh drink a a full glass of water first number two take a deep breath in and let it out it puts you in parasympathetic mode uh which is the rest and digest mode if you've got a plate of food in front of you eat your Vegetables first it's the fiber it slows down your digestion allows you to absorb the food after your veggies eat your protein and then if

you have time or room eat the carbs last just doing that small change will change your biology great advice but the people at home want to know are you the rich guy going to have all the Nanobots while I'm taking deep breaths and eating vegetables yeah okay oh um So the epigenetic reprogramming that we talked about earlier which may be the most likely leader to reverse your aging process um it's a gene therapy and today uh some of the gene therapies out there are expensive they can be half a million dollars a million dollar $2

million and that gives people a lot of uh of fear and it's that much because they're Gene therapies for very small populations and narrow diseases but there's an example of a Gene therapy that was manufactured for billions of people and that was the MRNA vaccines RNA is a nucleic acid it used a lipid nanop particle to enter the cells putting aside any antivaxers concerns whatever it was a gene therapy and it was manufactured for like a dollar a dose and so we have a proof of existence for being able to provide Gene therapies which are

the types of therapies for epigenic Reprogramming for extraordinarily cheap cost if manufactured in mass and guess what we all have the same disease called AG right so anything we manufacture for somebody in Manhattan is going to work in Mumbai in mosm Beek we have effectively the same biology for 8 billion people and so I think it's going to very rapidly demonetize in the same exact way that we saw the most powerful AI technology in the world generative AI Become available to anyone with a smartphone and there are seven billion smartphones on the planet today Jesus

so I don't think this becomes you know listen there's another there's another point I should make um in the early days the first few years yeah the billionaires are taking the risks and they're experimenting on themselves right but very quickly once it works well it becomes cheap and accessible and never available to everybody you know The first smartphones cost you know tens of thousands of dollars and they dropped a call on every other Block in Manhattan and today when they cost 40 bucks and they work incredibly well kids and favellas have them that's that's repeated

over and over and over again so I I don't I think this is going to be accessible to every single human on the planet all right so tell me what you think about this do you agree with that Aggressively I think there's one thing that either I'm just delusional about or that you've left out that may end up being the most important part of this which is I think that what AI is going to help us do is drive energy cost to effectively zero yeah and so once you understand the amount of energy the sun

is kicking off that we have more 8,000 times than we use it's crazy yeah that hits the surface of the Earth there's trillions of times more that miss the Earth right so once you understand that it's like okay the energy is there we just don't know how to capture it we'll get back to the show in a moment but first I have an important message for entrepreneurs you did not start your business to play small you started it to build something extraordinary but here's the truth big vision require big tools that's why I recommend Shopify

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your selling today that's shopify.com impact and now let's get back to the show if AI is going to be so good that it can deal with the complexities of the human body which is way more complex than capturing energy then it's like okay I think we're going to get to the point where energy cost just effectively goes to zero and then I don't think People realize that basically the thing that drives cost up is energy yeah and so if energy costs are zero then the cost of most material Goods is going to race towards zero

not exactly zero but man will it be close yeah so now all of a sudden You Usher in the world that you've been screaming about since 2012 which is a true age of abundance where it's like the problem is going to be how do you love your life because you're everyone the poorest person in the world Is like rich kid now where it's like you just have everything and so your problem becomes a psychological problem of like I didn't earn any of this and therefore don't feel good about it and there are some weird self-destruct

mechanisms that will kick in I have a reason why I think that happens but um so it really will become a game of managing human psychology not access to longer life not access guess what the best psychologist out there will be AI yeah just bananas What what a crazy time holy [ __ ] so given how crazy it is let me ask you how do you feel about this new Administration who is using a lot of your besties uh to really steer towards something I'm excited I think this is going to be the Roaring 20s

I think it's going to be the most extraordinary acceleration we've ever seen in the US I'm actually I was fearful and now I'm I'm thrilled what took you from fearful to thrilled uh Elon uh elon's role in it I mean um first and foremost as a stabilizing factor and is creating Clarity in a vision and then the incredible people that are being pulled in so here's something that just blows me away because I I was just in San Francisco meeting with a number of these individuals who have been CEOs of major companies that you could

have never ever paid enough to enter the Government it's like um you know I got a call years ago to enter you know would you be interested in the in the role of NASA administrator and I was like I'd rather shoot myself um and uh and the reality is that what we've had is either people in government who that's their power trip um they uh that's their relevance play uh but they're they don't they haven't had the uh you know the the Leadership qualities and experiences to do something in incredible on a world stage or

the social capabilities and now I I see friends of mine who are like yep I'm going to go in and spend commit six months on the Doge effort and help write the ship and it's like you could never afford those people never convince them and they're all jumping in um you know it's interesting a lot of these people no matter what you think about them they're super smart and uh they know how To succeed and what we're talking about is the success of the US government on the planet at a time when AI is skyrocketing

when crypto and Bitcoin is blowing through the roof I had three-hour dinner and hangout with Michael sailor uh last week talking about this and man oh man is he convincing uh he and I were fraternity Brothers in MIT and roommates uh work together it was fun yeah um and it's It is extraordinary and then the whole deregulation thing is a real thing like uh in the biot technology world so one of the Technologies that's super exciting in longevity space is stem cells peptides a whole bunch of these things and the government regulations have been crushing

and people need to leave the us to go elsewhere to get access and it's like hold it this is my body right I want to try these Technologies on my body how can you tell Me I can't do this facts right and it's like overreaching and it's like you there should be you know there is a um equivalent of a uh you if you go public with a company you have enough lawyers and accountants that say grandmother can invest in this public company but before you have a um uh not a registered investor a um

what's a aedit a credit investor right where you say okay this guy or gal is smart enough have enough money that if they're stupid and they Make the investment and they lose it that's okay right I think we should have like an accredited patient program where if I you know somebody's convinced me to try their medicine their stem cells their drugs whatever if I have my husband or wife or kids or doctor sign off on it that I'm of sound mind why would you tell me I can't do it right so I think we're going

to have some interesting changes in regulations too so talk to me about the regulations Do you think that um AI should be regulated how should we be approaching some of these Technologies I don't think it can be regulated really at all I don't know I mean we can regulate on the sales of chips right um are we going to regulate the software being developed if it becomes far more efficient the question is you know you know uh we're entering as we hit GPT 5 and we have super PhD level AI Models that begin to self-referentially

improve their own algorithms um and get better and better and better and become a digital super intelligence uh how do you regulate against that do you like have to get approval for every experiment that's being done um you know what's interesting is I used to think this was going to be a competition between governments like the US versus China Versus I'm not sure who else but um and now I'm clear it's a competition between companies it is we're going to have the dominant right we're going to have Microsoft and xai and Google and open Ai

and Facebook and uh you know uh a few others now did you hear andreon on Rogan I heard Clips I didn't hear the whole show my God it it is a mustat it should be taught in Civics classes I'm not kidding not in the slightest on my on my watch list next yeah yeah did you so the Part that I want to talk to you about is uh he was saying the Biden Administration was going for total control of AI and that they told him point blank to his face don't even start a new AI

company no way we're going to let that happen it's going to be a small number of people and uh that's the part they said out loud the implication is that they're going to use regulatory capture to ensure that it's just a small number of companies that can get in so That they can have influence and control over that that that was so damning to me I don't know how they could do it and it's ridiculous why is it ridiculous why is that a bad strategy um because because whenever we've tried to control things like this

before I guess nukes are a reasonable example of one we have one of the best examples of how to do this correctly was I remember I was at MIT um in my graduate degree I was doing Research in recombinate DNA and their first restriction enzymes come out where you know the cover of Time Magazine was uh Hitler uh like Gene edited babies you know was like PE a lot of fear about Gene editing and um the big conversation was can should we regulate this stuff and what happened was that the engine the industry got together

at something called the asilar conferences and they pulled together and they created their Own regulations they created their own guidance um and I think you can steer an influence there's no onoff switch on this technology there's no velocity knob on this technology and so if you try and regulate what that means is the Bad actors are the ones who are doing most of the Breakthrough work versus the ones that you you know that you have access to you want the leaders in the industry uh to lead and to have a vision to shoot for yeah

I having lived through the food Industry I come out it from the perspective of government almost by definition is dumb and if you take any approach where you think that oh we know best and we can do this top down uh you get the food pyramid so whether that comes from corruption or ignorance or both I literally don't give a [ __ ] but it's like we've run the experiment we see how ridiculous this is when you carry it to its extreme it is absolutely [ __ ] you get uh Ma's China you get Stalin

and Lenin's Russia it it's absurd in the extreme yeah and so I don't know if people just reject Thomas Soul's idea that there are no Solutions there's only tradeoffs or I I I don't know but I cannot believe that people look at the actual real human history and go you know it's going to work here top down control yeah it literally baffles my mind it's legit I I I agree um and having said all that this is the most exciting four years uh that I think I've Ever been alive during but I'll say it the

reason I think it's exciting is you have people finally going you know what maybe transparency is the right answer maybe smaller government's the right answer maybe balancing the budget is what we have to do deregulation so that's all about going government has these inherent limitations and we need to recognize that the reason the founding fathers set it up such that they did was that we know that power Corrupts we know that people even the populace can der so the whole idea this is something I don't think people understand the whole idea between Congress and the

Senate is that you could get passions whipped up in the Congress people that are elected that they are beholding to their constituents every two years need a counterveiling force of people that don't have because originally those weren't even elected officials they obviously are now but They didn't used to be and so they were every six years and so they were supposed to be these cooler heads that could basically say okay look this Long View yeah exct l so um people need to have an inherent distrust of the government now I'm not anti-government we need a

government but we need to libertarian limitation I wouldn't call myself a Libertarian no because I I look at the world and I say um humans when they act as a mob get Really stupid really fast and you have to have a force in there to mitigate that when I look at because there are really smart people that I hear talking about Anarchy and I think that just the all of human history tells you that humans living in an anarchic system cry out for government because what ends up happening is the strongest person slaps everybody else

around and all of a sudden you go huh I don't like this so I would very much like to get a cabala People that will go and stab that guy to death and then because we had to do it on mass we didn't win because we're stronger we won because we're smarter and because we build coalitions and now that we know the power of coalitions let's try to enshrine this and you just see that play out over and over and over and over and over so yeah I don't understand people that either can't accept the

realities of the human condition or what I don't know what it Is anyway humans are deeply flawed America seems like the best experiment so far of how you mitigate against that it's very sloppy but you have to have an inherent distrust of government you have to want to keep government small you have to want to balance the budget and then my personal hobby horse you have a moral obligation to give people your populace an opportunity to save their money in something that can't be inflated are you a bitcoiner oh yes Aggressively uh is that your

single largest asset yes by far mine mine too now how do you feel when people say at least there's a Lifeboat Tom to all this chicanery of money printing does that make you happy or does that make meaning what Bitcoin yeah like when people when like I will get up on a soap box and I will [ __ ] rail over the fact that the government prints money and that is stealing from its people yes it is inflation is a disease yes and a a Disease that leaked out of a lab called the FED uh

so the ultimate lab leak hypothesis we need our our antiviral agent yes and then people will say well that's Bitcoin Tom and all is well uh does that make you happy or do you want to headbutt them about being pro Bitcoin or not quite that's saying it's all good Tom there's a solution um I think there is a solution that will still take another 5 to 10 years to fully materialize I think We're still in the early days and we could still do a lot of destructive destruction until we get there I think we need

to get this government budget under control uh I think that there uh needs to be intelligence in the system um what does that look like well I think it like listen if you were to say what are the laws governing any industry um how many laws are there and you fed that through an AI and said okay How many of the laws here are conflicting with each other and uh what how could you reduce this to get rid of 90% of the laws in the books but keep 90% of the intention right so you can

debulk uh our our law system our IRS code OMG it's ridiculous it's sick it's it's written I'm not going to get into it anyway so there's a lot of improvement and I'm hopeful that we'll see some changes uh now at least in the next two Years but I want to talk about longevity and not government if you don't mind not my area that that is in terms of um whether we're able to unlock that stuff or not there is a reality to be faced there so let me ask you one more question about this so

Elon what what is it about him that makes him so efficient so effective like how does he pull all this off you know him very well for people that don't know you you guys have known each other for a very long time You're very close so you have an Insight that most would not um number one he's brilliant I mean let's be very clear he's extraordinarily you know Super Genius level number two he is an engineer and he thinks with an engineering mind a first principal will tear apart something to understand is it going to

work is it um something that I should spend my time on um he thinks probabilistically not absolutely I think is an important element here um he's you Know I listen uh I don't know how he does what he does to be very clear uh I remember he was on my board at xprize and um and uh he calls me one day back in 2008 when the [ __ ] was hitting the fan you know Falcon Falcon one had had its third third failure uh and he was going through divorce and uh Tesla was in trouble

and he's like Peter listen I I apologize I need to step off the X prise board I need to focus on Tesla and SpaceX and he went heads down And I just need to do those two things and of course now he's running like six or seven different things um and when I text him to set up a you know in a podcast or an interview whatever the case might be and I say well like thanks and who should I coordinate with he goes me I go do you have an assistant he goes no so

crazy um and and he he does but it's like I remember Larry Page at Google who's also on my board exerprise said one day I I let my Executive assistant go I said huh why and he goes because if I don't have one no one can schedule anything on me that's why I did it you did the same reason yeah for same thing for the exact same reason yeah amazing time is the great equalizer right all eight billion people on the planet all have in common 365 days in a year 24 hours in a day

and that's it and how you use that time and so I think one of the things that sets Elon apart is how he thinks about Utilizing his time and he's not a multiplexer he's very focused on doing one thing and going very deep and focusing on the engineering of that you know rocket engine or the let's get XIs 100,000 h100 gpus talking to each other it's never been done before and he Dives in and he's just that smart if you had to Peg his like type of intelligence is it pattern recognition is it uh not

getting trapped by his own [ __ ] like what is it that makes him So smart I think it's all of these things but he's deeply technically knowledgeable and uh he goes to First principle thinking right he will look and try and understand things from the fundamentals and uh he doesn't [ __ ] himself I remember uh years ago if you remember I was in the asteroid business asteroid mining business and very excited about the business I still am and he and I said so Elon would you buy liquid oxygen from me on orbit um

and if It's cheaper than what you can get he said of course I would um he said but Peter you're just too early you're just too early and of course he was right um and being too early is the same thing as being wrong and so I think his timing of things which the way he looks at things right he's got a very clear set of mindsets I mean mindset is what differentiates him it's interesting what uh I know mindset is really important to you as Well what what are some of the most important mindsets

for somebody that wants to do what you're doing to face the kinds of craziness and Longevity that he's doing building rockets and so I talk about six mindsets and my next book mindset Mastery for next year is on helping so if I said to you listen think of the greatest leaders in the world you on mus you know Steve Jobs mahat m Gandhi Martin Luther King whoever you want and I asked you what made those People successful was it the money they had the tech they had the friends they had or was it their mindset

I think most everybody would say it was their mindset right if you took everything away from them and they kept their mindset they would probably regain much of what they lost and so if that's true if mindset is your greatest tool as an entrepreneur as a leader as a mom as a dad whatever then the question is what mindset do you have where did you get that mindset and More importantly what mindset do you need for the decade ahead and so I fundamentally go deep on that and I've outlined for me a number of mindsets

it's a curiosity mindset you know to be especially now in this period of AI to have that Curiosity mindset to be willing to go and learn and be curious because you have the most infinite teacher I think for me there's a a purpose-driven mindset which is one of the most important things right Mark Twain mentioned earlier I love one of his quotes he goes you know there are two important days in your life the day you were born and the day that you find out why right so I teach uh a what's called a massive

transformative purpose I think every single person should have clarity about their purpose in life I think they should have an MTP I created a a a tool using a large language model I built um which is free it's called mypurpose Finder.com uh mypurpose finder.app so my MTP is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful compelling and abundant future it's what I care about it's what wakes me up in the morning when I'm great when I give GR attitudes in the morning thank you for letting me serve in this way I want to help

entrepreneurs create that a hopeful compelling and abundant future because I think that's what Humanity needs so it's a purpose-driven mindset Um you know I talk about a moonshot mindset going 10 times bigger uh an abundance mindset where you're not worried about some deal you lost there's going to be 10 times number of deals next year uh and then finally longevity mindset uh and you know to come back to longevity with a longevity mindset is if you believe that we are in this period of extraordinary scientific technological growth and that you have a crack at Having

an extra 30 years of Health then and to get access to that um you should take care of yourself it's what it's what's going to keep you from eating that piece of chocolate cake at night right it's what going to get you out of a warm cozy bed and into the gym it's what's going to help you get to bed on time you know longevity mindset is I care about my longevity I want to see much of this universe as I can we're in the middle of This extraordinary opportunity and I'm going to do what

it takes to get myself to that Launchpad what do you think about something like an OIC or something where you can kind of skirt around the mindset of it all and just be like well I think it's a tool I think OIC is a tool that is a godsend for certain people who absolutely need it I think it's a crutch for other people who should basically just stop eating the donuts damn it and Get into the gym so if you're using OIC um The Dangers are and I'm sure everybody's heard this before that much of

the weight you lose is muscle mass which again is your longevity organ and if you go off OIC you gain back the weight but not the muscle and so if you want to use OIC for a period of three or four months to train yourself to eat healthy to get good habits I added this in the book last I added an entire Chapter on routines on habits cuz for me the the most important thing I've I've done in the last five years is developed really great habits like what I do you know it's like I'm

in bed at 9:30 at night why because my body wakes up at 5:30 and I want those 8 hours of sleep and at 5:30 the first two hours are mine and I'm going to do my red light I'm going to meditate I'm going to work out I'm going to write a blog and that's my routine and it I I Feel comfortable I feel empowered when I do that routine and then the rest of the day goes on to the rest of the day but routines are really important and so can you get into good habits

right a habit is a and a routine is a mechanism by which you don't negotiate with yourself all the time so use OIC if you're using it to get into good healthy eating habits and don't use it as a crutch yeah I worry that there's anytime you're taking an an exogenous substance There's going to be a second and third order consequence of people so the The glp1 Agonist that and there's I talk about this in the book there are a number of things you can do which are n which naturally cause the same effects as

OIC like just you know chewing your food um obsessively for know 20 chew before most of us unfortunately dinner looks like this in front of the TV and the worst thing you could possibly do is eat dinner watching the crisis News Network at night which puts you in a sympathetic ner State a fight ORF flight State and you don't absorb any of the nutrients it's like the worst thing it's why you want to take a deep breath slow it down you know do Grace with your family tell gratitudes uh enjoy that you know what do

you tell people speaking of Crisis News Network what do you tell people about like politics I know you don't really pay attention to it um you've Been extraordinarily successful what's your thought um listen like you but not as much I've become a little bit more aware wary and respectful of the importance of having the right systems in place for governance is that do you think that's us getting older or is that there really is something unique about this time I I think it is us getting older us having more to lose us um uh you

know I I one of the other things I Think about is that you know when will we have the you know we don't have revolutions very easily anymore to create new governments so I think how would we create new government systems uh I think we will have the chance to experiment with new governments off Earth on Mars well I didn't see that answer coming oh yeah um on uh how near term is that how realistic do you give us being able to create a sustainable Colony on Mars so Whether it's on mars or it's on

the moon or it's in what are called O'Neal colonies which are large containments of a thousand or a million people orbiting uh orbiting the Sun maybe maybe in a coorbit with the Earth um I think we we'll see that in the next 20 years and it's a non it's a non linear projection why is it nonlinear because of AI again so I want you to imagine right so first of all holy [ __ ] Starship oh my God Elon oxygen Out of the room like you know drop the mic moment Starship being caught by those

watch so many times oh my God and and in March hopefully we're going to see uh the uh the actual Starship this upper stage if you would also come back first time we can see a fully reusable vehicle which is like the Holy Growl of the Aerospace industry was like always like when will we see that that ship is the Mayflower it is the you know the Workhorse that will take us to the moon And take us to Mars all other government space programs all other aerospace companies you know palale in comparison right there's the

US Space Program there's the Chinese space program and there's the Elon Space Program um so how we get to Mars and to O'Neal colonies and the moon at an accelerated rate well we can send humanoid robots powered by AIS to go do all the work prepare everything build it get it ready so when we land there it's not landing And like one small step and you're in a space suit you're walking into a you know a fully built out habitat uh with liquid water that's been mined and fuel that exists and energy sources I mean

that's an extraordinary future now the interesting thing is what we said a few you know I an hour ago or so was uh the the FY Paradox at some point um living in a virtual Mars may be far more enticing than going physically to Mars you know what I think is going To happen what's that they're going to go to Mars if for no other reason then Elon is so hardcore about it it's actually going to happen and you will get the people like the guys that responded to um shackleton's notice for this is goingon

to be hard probably going to die but it'll still be love that notice so good oh God that thing's amazing uh so they'll go but they will live inside of they'll spend time inside of virtual worlds while they're there as A way to break up the claustrophobia basically being trapped inside uh I remember the first time I put on a VR headset I was like o this is interesting this would have Zapped a a lot of my desire to get rich if I knew that I could just put this on and live inside of a

beautiful mansion while I have it on really really impactful and as it gets better by the way you own an Oculus right yeah and you own a Vision Pro of course uh how many times you used your Vision Pro not many yeah I bought it I used it twice and it's under my desk yeah it'll have to get better but it I uh assumed that would be the case but in terms of like have you seen that demo where the person is wearing it walking through their kitchen they're like make it look like the 50s

make it look like an alien landscape it's unbelievable yeah that is coming that is coming and you know Sora just got released by open Ai and you're going to be able to Generate anything you want yeah you know I was it was interesting I was uh at the L and I was like wow this is so beautiful you know we couldn't recreate this now with all of the physical architecture and all the Artistry and so forth and I was like huh actually you just want to have a house with white walls and white ceilings and

just be wearing virtual eye gear all the time and you can make it look like anything and when it's lightweight that is Exactly what people do dude the AR is something people do not I I don't think they understand what's going to happen like that's going to be really near-term transformative yeah I'm really excited about that one but I want to go back to space for a second so uh rank order the three so we've got the Moon Moon we've got Mars and we've got the got the oal colonies yeah so we're going back to

the Moon first and we will be there uh's going back to's going 100% so Elon is Going and Jeff Bezos I'm saying people right it's SpaceX and blue origin so blue origin is uh I knew Jeff in college uh I started the my first organization ever was students for exploration development of space saids and it was a national network work of college space groups and Jeff ran the Princeton chapter and I was a national chairman and I remember meeting him years later after he started Amazon and I'm like Jeff like what's this Amazon thing I

Thought you were going to do space and he goes yeah I'm gonna make my money in Amazon first and then do it in space not a bad shot and one two plan real easy uh so uh he's spending about a billion dollars a year and he's been doing his suborbital flights uh but he has new uh new Glenn um which will be uh his orbital vehicle hopefully will launch this year so there are two or three companies there's SpaceX there's blue origin uh there's relativity space um That are building large Vehicles right now uh so

Starship there's another vehicle that's been developed by the government by Boeing and and it'll get canceled it's just way behind budget and Starship uh will I think be on the moon within within two years whoa and when it does it'll have the ability to carry 50 people not two like we had right we're on the Moon last on December 17th of 1972 uh with Jack Schmidt and Jean cernon I know it was jeene cernon I think it was Jack Schmidt um as well and we haven't been back since but uh with humans but we'll go

there and we'll start to set up bases on the moon and the moon will be an incredible habitat where science will get done research will get done um and we'll develop a human presence a permanent human presence probably in the dozens to hundreds of people will permanently Habitat there it'll be more like the Arctic Antarctic type research basis right um independent of that uh this is one I was was interviewing Elon in Riad uh at the FI conference and I asked him when are we going to Mars and he said I'm making a shot to

get Starship to Mars in the next two years so there will be a parallel effort to go to Mars you know he has been pretty right on a lot of things his timing is kind of off sometimes but there's an incredible Opportunity um which sounds like I challenge America to put humans on the surface of Mars you know by the end of this decade and get them get them back maybe not the back part but I think boots on Mars will be probably Optimus robots on Mars first makes sense um and then humans to follow

so I mean it's you listen the the Star Trek fan in me it's like we got data coming we got Starships coming it's pretty awesome pretty awesome now uh is It that you cannot build an atmosphere on the moon because no one's talking about terraforming the moon but they do talk about terraforming Mars yeah it's that the moon doesn't have enough gravitational Pole to retain an atmosphere okay um and there is a very interesting opportunity there the moon has large Lava Tubes H like huge Caverns that have are under the lunar surface and you can

fill them with atmosphere whoa and one of the cool things you Could do do inside those lava tubes on the moon filled with atmosphere is fly cuz a human with a pair of wings has enough muscle strength in one six gravity oh my god wow you have you ever been on zuro G with me I have yeah okay all right and so incredible yeah so those you don't know you can fly uh a parabolic flight uh in Zer G uh I had one of my greatest moments in life was taking Steven Hawking up in lessness

and letting the world's expert in gravity Experience zero gravity and it's something everybody can do if you gozerog g.com in the airplane Barn storms around the country and we fly at Long Beach in Las Vegas and Florida other places and we do 15 of these arcs the first uh two are Martian so you feel onethird of your weight then we do a couple of lunar you feel one sixth of your weight and then a dozen or so zero g parabas so um yeah space there's a Resurgence right and at the same time another holy [

__ ] moment starlink OMG right on our way to 12,000 satellites uh providing 100 megabit to gigabit connection speeds to every square meter on the planet and now to my T-Mobile phone wow that's bananas it is all right so rank order for me okay which one so moon is first moon is first um and uh we'll build that out uh over the next decade it'll get more and more capabilities It'll be science-driven mostly um you know we can do great astronomy there we can on the dark side we can see uh far instead of building

um you know the web telescope in Earth orbit you build it on the dark side of the moon and you can see the universe from there uh we'll get missions to Mars over the course of the next decade as well um and and terraforming Mars is a much bigger Endeavor and it's going to be fraught With political like how dare you bomb Mars you know you know because the best way to terraform it is sort of like throw rocks at the poles and increase the atmospheric density of CO2 and um maybe some nukes on the

poles uh but we'll do enclosures there as well like the lava tubes well no surface ex uh enclosures will build doed cities and we have the the good thing about Mars is it's got um a large water supply right in ice and it's got uh CO2 uh it's got oxygen Bound in the uh iron which makes it red right um it's rust uh and so there's lots of resources there and so we'll we'll we'll do that I I think the future of humanity in space is in the Realm of the O'Neal colonies Gerard K O'Neal

another Mentor said why would you ever go back into a gravitational well uh and so he had a concept of these large cylindrical tubes think like a half kilometer Diameter and you know a couple kilometers long that are rotating uh at a right speed to create centrifical force on the inside and you live on the inside of this tube the materials are either off the lar surface but much easier to get them out of asteroids um and you have ai and robots to do this manufacturing and you can have a population of 10,000 people or

more living inside there um as they get older They can move towards the center of rotation and uh you know the gravity goes as uh Omega squ R their centuple acceleration and radius so as you get to zero towards the center it becomes lighter and lighter so you can live in a lower gravity environment if you want but here's the interesting thing from the politics side if you have like a group of 10 50 100,000 people and they're having political disagreements you say okay listen we're going to bud We're going to build another one over

here and the Democrats can go there the Republicans can go there and stop the fighting um and you know this is listen I love Elon and all that he's done um he's got a Mar's Vision Jeff Bezos cuz he was at Princeton same place that jar K O'Neil was uh his vision is much more of this oan uh vision of these colonies and such wow that's really interesting uh okay so ballpark me when will the first O'Neal Colony spin oh I think That's uh if in fact Humanity still hasn't has the drive to want to

do this um I think that is probably more like uh I don't know there's going to be a lot of trillionaires by then um and a lot of lowcost Labor so if I said 30 years that might be pessimistic but I'll say 30 years okay it's incredible well you're certainly giving me a lot of reasons to want to live forever yeah I mean I think I'll just let me hit that one second because I think when I'm when I'm with My abundance community and I'm talking about longevity and such I'm like listen the number one

thing um besides all of the stuff on food diet exercise Med supplements not ding for something stupid is having a purpose and and having a vision and you know if I said to you listen I'm G to give you 20 extra healthy Years Tom what you going to do with those 20 years um I think most people can figure that out now if I said to you you got 50 extra years a lot of People's brains break on that like I don't know what to do with 50 extra years it's a big difference yeah yeah

so um you've talked a lot about don't die from something stupid so we've already heard sugar what else can we do to make sure that we don't die from something stupid so the chapter on that and it's a really important message for everybody uh which is our bodies are really good at hiding disease you think you're fine but you Have no idea right so um it turns out and these stats are pretty scary 70% of all heart attacks have no preced no shortness of breath yeah no signs even even on a typical calcium score you

could have a calcium score of zero and have a heart attack that night because it's not the calcified plaque it's the soft plaque um you don't feel a cancer until stage three or stage four you know we all know people who go To the hospital with a pain and the doctor says I'm sorry to say you tell you this but you've got this situation going on this cancer or whatever the case might be it didn't happen that morning it's been going on for some time you just didn't know it and here's the stunner 70% of

the cancers that kill you are never tested for yo right so we test for breast and prostate and colon but we don't test for you know uh we don't test for pancreatic cancer or for Glo blastomas or a whole slew of other cancers they're just not part of the routine Medical Care and you can know what's going on inside your body and people go I don't want to know and I like [ __ ] of course you want to know you're gonna find out eventually you want to know now we can do something about it

or when it's too late so um uh four years ago I joined with Bill cap and Tony Robbins and we built This company called Fountain life and it's I built it for myself and my family and the friends that I love I put my CEOs my companies through it and they're these 10,000 F foot diagnostic Centers they're Diagnostics and Therapeutics and uh you go through it's about 4 and 1/2 hours and we digitize you upload you uh full body MRI brain brain vasculature it's a coronary CT looking your coronary arteries but using an AI overlay

called clearly looking for Soft plaque which is what will kill you uh a low dust long CT a dexa scan your full genome your metabolome your microbiome your retinal scan your skin scans it's all the data we can collect about you it's it's 300 gigabytes I'm sorry 200 gigabytes of data wow and and here are the numbers 2% of our members who are seemingly healthy they think they're fine have a cancer they don't know about wow right two out of 100 2 and a half% Have an aneurysm they don't know about and 14.4% have either

metabolic disease neurocognitive disease cardiovascular disease or a Cancer and they need to take action right away and so I go through this Fountain Apex upload every year um I kind hold my breath um and we are there to answer two questions number one is there anything going on inside your body you need to know about and if there is let's take care of it right away and number two what is likely to Happen to you and how do we optimize you to prevent that from happening because this is the world we're living in right now

right so I call this not dying from something stupid um it's not cheap uh it's 19,500 buckss for the full body upload but also includes a medical wraparound team so it's quarterly testing you get a functional medicine doctor who's with you the entire year a nurse a dietitian uh a health coach and that RP around helps you really optimize Yourself we just are launching now a program at $6,500 um which includes the upload and the first consult and we're doing it through companies for their emplo employees and all of this is going to demonetize at

the end right it's all going to get cheaper and cheaper every year as AI the humans are still the expensive part right the Machinery is getting cheaper uh we're eventually we have a program called uh Fountain life At home because all of this will move out of the doctor's office out of the hospitals into your home right so I've got a uh CGM an a ring an Apple Watch and I'll eventually have dozens of sensors on my body in my body uploading to my AI which is monitoring everything all the time and my AI is

going to be sending information to the robot Chef in my kitchen saying this is what Peter should be eating tonight you know it's interesting close the loop if you turn On health coach it'll say hey lazy don't take the elevator there's a staircase over there or time to get out of bed or you can turn that off if you want but you know it's good to have someone with you so supporting you so when I talk about not dying for something stupid it's uh it's going through Fountain life uh there are other programs as well

I think we've got the best most comprehensive uh program out there and I still want you to come through it no man For sure I 100% if it's in La that's easy um but you know that six months out I've had so many PE we've saved so many lives yeah this is terrifying I know you had a fraternity had a fraternity brother of mine who was supposed to come in and uh and died in his sleep um I had uh do you know Sam narian by any chance no so Sam was the head is hotelier

very successful the head of SLS hotels and um uh he and Tony Robbins and a few others started Something called the Estates and these will be 25 six-star Resorts and um and Residences around the world and we're we cut a deal well he approached us he he looked at all the other players and he chose us and we're going to embed Fountain life into all of those Resorts and and developments so he came I said come through Orlando our headquarters and go through the process now Sam and his wife had the best physicians in the

world went through we found two brain Aneurysms o and he was in surgery a week later Jesus he's fine now he's publicly said you know made this public statement so okay Shar it but you just never know H too true speaking of what we may never know tell me will we see people live to an average life expectancy of 150 first or a million people living either in an O'Neal sphere on the moon or Mars oh I think we'll hit the longevity side first yeah oh for sure okay wow it's pretty near term yeah I

I I think that Um it's it's going to it's not magic it's not it's just not understood why we age let me say that differently uh we have a lot of theories of why we age there are the Hallmarks of Aging there are 12 things that we believe are causing aging and there's a chapter on I take about God now 80 85 meds and supplements every day and people are like what do you take and why do you take it and how do you decide and so I Laid out in the book and it's not

for everybody it's I've gotten there a little bit of time in consultation with my doctors and I looked at each of these 12 Hallmarks of Aging like um like stem cell exhaustion or mitochondrial failures and there are supplements and meds to support each one of them so I break it down for each one of these Hallmarks these are the meds or supplements that I'm taking to counter That and again everybody should do should develop their own plan in consultation with a physician there will eventually be an AI that takes in your genetics takes in all

your health data says what's your objective time do you want more muscle do you want more mental Clarity you want better sleep what do you want and how many pills you want to take per day right which is an important one I'm only willing to take 10 okay these are the top 10 you should take how Many do you take a day like 8 now J yeah when I wrote the book it was 75 it's gone up um my mom says Hey how do you know they don't interfere with each other I said Mom I

don't I don't but I'm doing I feel great yeah I am doing great so you know so far so good absolutely fascinating what is the craziest thing you think we're going to find at the intersection of health and Tech like near term wow Um oh I got this do you know that we just mapped the connectome of the brain of a fruit fly so all the different synaptic the fruit fly has 154,000 neurons and I think 54 million synapses and we used a lot we used an AI to map that exact connection of the fruit

fly and put it up into a computer model and so you can say if we did this to the fruit fly touched it here gave it this kind of chemical whatever what Would it do and then do it and it does the exact same thing whoa right and so here's what's next uh we'll go from the fruit fly connectome uh to a mouse on stage at the abundance Summit this year on my moonshot day I've got uh the COO of a company uh that is brilliant what they're doing and how they're doing it who believes

he can map the connectome of our brains for about $50 million for the first one whoa our 100 billion Neurons 100 trillion synaptic connections so you know the brain has always been sowhat of a black box wow so that's one there's another one oh my god do you know Mary L Jepson that name sounds famar oh God Almighty she is incredible dear dear friend um full disclosure I'm an adviser and investor through my Venture Fund in her company called Open Water she's brilliant so here's a woman who is head of engineering at Facebook um uh

at at Google um at uh at Intel she ran the first the one laptop her child program with NE Nicholas uh a PhD in holography um professor at MIT I mean really brilliant who has a teenager into college has a brain tumor undiagnosed and um she's dropping out of her PhD program uh to go home and die oh my God and her whatever professors says listen I think you should have an MRI and he pays for her to have an MRI and They discover a brain tumor that was undiagnosed and she has surgery um and

she gets fully cured uh she had to have her pituitary removed so she takes a whole bunch of meds every day just to do pharmaceutical replacement um she is I I can't sing her praise enough this woman will get the Nobel Prize for her work so what has she done she has learned how to use the consumer electronics Industry like our cameras on These phones are miracles of what they're able to do she has created uh devices um that are microm miniaturized they've gone from a room size of equipment down to something about the size

of a block like this like like a thousand times smaller a thousand times cheaper that is able to use infrared uh infrared light holography and ultrasound to do a number of things so number one her devices which you which you attach on your head with a Headband um can detect whether you're having a stroke or not and which will say it's Strokes the number two killers in the world unfortunately by the time you diagnosed someone is having a stroke a lot of times it's way too late the hospital doesn't have the tech to solve the

stroke if you diagnose it early 100% recovery right so this device she'll put in every ambulance so that you can detect whether they have a stroke or not All right next thing this device she's able to guide the exact en energy of ultrasound and infrared to different parts of the brain and she has determined she built brain organoids a brain organoid is a take human neural stem cells and grow a small brain okay they do it's it's been done for a while now you can you can do a kidney organoid a lung organoid a liver

organoid a brain organoid a heart organ so it's it's a collection you know could be the size of Your thumb whatever but tens of millions of those cells and what she did was she developed one of those brain organoids that had Glo blastoma tumors in them which is it's a today if anybody gets Glo blastoma as a diagnosis it's death sentence like in months maybe a year and what she found was because these tumor cells are so rapidly growing there's a whole segment on on her um Because they're rapidly growing um the cells are mostly

all nucleus with very little cytoplasm because the nucleus is dividing and creating another one and dividing creating another one doesn't have time for the cytoplasm to grow right and so because it's very different than the other cells that are mostly cytoplasm with the nucleus and this is all nucleus is a different resonance frequency and so what she has been able to do is use The ultrasound from one these little devices to be able to rupture all of the cancer cells in the GL GL blastoma in your brain whoa and basically it's going into humans next

it's been done in mice it cures them of their gly blastoma wow gets better she's been able to identify if you have mental disorders or addiction she can provide a five minute per day treatment with this device that will downregulate your add or your depression Or your addiction five minutes a day I mean that would be transformative it is transformative right I mean uh she's amazing so you asked me about what I'm expecting in the short term so she ended up um she did some early financing rounds I helped her raise money my Venture company

invested and then um she had this huge hurdle to productize this stuff because her goal was like I need to get this really cheap And available to as many people as possible she went to vitalic butterin the founder of ethereum yeah yeah and he said if you open source it I'll give you $50 million to do what you need to do wow so he did didn't ask for any equity and she's open- sourced it and so these devices will be manufactured available to people around the world and it will become software as medication so imagine

these devices and she has a whole bunch of different form factors for different Parts of the body and a research lab will be able to say Okay I want to address this type of inflammatory bowel disease using infrared and and there'll be thousands of people using these devices is new medical diagnostic and therapeutic tools that will cost effectively nothing wow I mean I just it's I I I'm sorry there's a hundred stories like this which is why I'm so extraordinarily excited about this health span Revolution coming what do you see as you extend the timeline

out what's the craziest intersection of health and Tech that you see in a mid to long term BCI brain computer interface um the ability to uh connect your brain seamlessly to the cloud and be able you see that as long term even though we're I I don't see that long term I see that in the next decade I'm one of the guys I have on stage at in a in March at the abundance Summit is Max Hodak who is the co-founder of neuralink and he's got a new company called science which blows away neuralink it's

a bold statement it is a bold statement what he's done in terms of being able to um you know neuralink will have like a thousand connections into the neocortex and when you put these Connections in even something a fraction of a human cell a human hair still kills cells and disrupt cells when you put Them in and the immune system encapsulates them later he's developed a mechanism by which he grows neural stem cells out of a uh electronic circuitry and the neural stem cells grow into the brain what like Roots into the ground and this

is SciFi dude yes yes I mean this is stuff I spend all day researching investing and thinking about writing about because it I can't I can't sleep with all this stuff going on and Instead of like a thousand connections into the brain how about a million or 10 million connections into the brain and you know our Corpus colossum that connects the right and left half of the brain imagine another hemisphere of the brain whoa wow whoa yeah that is nuts yeah Peter every time I spend time with you it is absolutely extraordinary where can people

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