Unlocking SPIRITUAL ILLUMINATION! The HIDDEN WISDOM of the ROSICRUCIANS! Dr. Robert Gilbert

Everybody knows they're going to die but everybody acts like they're going to live forever the amount of time that we're going to spend incarnate in a physical body is probably much much less than the amount of time that we're going to spend between death and rebirth in the spiritual world so we should understand non-physical realities developing Clairvoyance is like a highly controlled form of psychosis and you Have to be very careful of it because you don't want to become a mental patient through receiving all kinds of fantasmagorical beings around you all the time and these

beings told me to do this that could become extremely dysfunctional our suffering is hollowing us out with sharp knives to create a space inside of us that can be filled with joy later there are certain types of Astral remedies some of it is working at the vibrational level that can help Us in dealing with whatever that challenges the key astral remedy is uh sometimes when people look at my body of work they're like how do these different things fit together the sacred geometry the biohacking the vibrational activation the Consciousness activation the work in Egyptian biogeometry

my background in the military and the nuclear biological chemical warfare survival field my PhD in international studies it's like how Does all this fit together but in my mind it's all part of One Piece and I think if I was to express what my my spiritual purpose is my mission in its largest terms it really is about uh something related to the rosac crusan initiation saying which was in the beginning was the memory and so what that really means in the beginning was the memory is that in every lifetime when we incarnate uh Classically they

would say that we take the draft of for fness where we forget about our past incarnations we forget about who am I why am I here what did I come to do in this Incarnation and we all undertake this kind of hero's journey to reclaim ourselves to reclaim our larger karmic memory to reclaim our purpose in life and so particularly in a very materialistic culture like we have today it's very easy to get lost and so I find many people today are having a Very difficult time being able to find an orientation to having a

healthy balance between the inner and the outer life and really reconnecting to the purpose for being here and so my purpose r large is really do whatever I can to help people remember who am I why am I here and what did I incarnate to do in this Incarnation because life is a limited time opportunity as I like to say and we should be taking the best advantage of the time that we're given Both for our own personal Evolution and not only personal healing but also being activated to a higher state being able to stabilize

that so something we can hold on to even past the gate of death and into the next Incarnation and so that we're being able to provide service to other people while also being able to live our best lives and being on the uh track for the things that are the most enriching for us to have a life that's very powerful very Joyous really optimizing what it is that we would like where we're also providing the highest level of service so for me that's really the core of it but then all the different Pieces come in

so that for example uh we have the aspect that in the work of the Bess Institute which is the Institute I founded 20 OD years ago we have what we call spiritual science and what we call vibrational science and in the vibrational science Realm we also have an aspect that we call sear for subtle energy Explorations and research that essentially we have the aspect in the human being that we have our Consciousness States and then we have the energy body that supports it you can have a very strong energy body but if you haven't developed

your Consciousness your life will still be a shambles and you're not going to find any fulfillment and the other way around if you've worked on your Consciousness But you don't have a good foundation in the energetic body you have nothing to support it and it will end up collapsing and so this is something that we find then contained in the hamalian tradition where they discuss for example Shiva and Shakti so you have ultimate Consciousness and you have Ultimate Energy well every human being has that microcosm within them and so to make this Heroes Journey that

we're all on as exciting and pleasurable as possible to Be able to actually not just have an intellectual understanding of things although that's very important but to have direct experience and to directly explore the application of practices for higher Consciousness and to activate and stabilize the energy body that will support that Consciousness and so that we're having a good time in the dense vehicle of the physical body rather than a being some heavy weight we have to drag around and a vehicle could do Potential suffering it's very important to take care of that as well

so that's a general introduction to a few ideas and you've gone ahead and expanded I love well there's two questions that emerge from me so I got to pick one don't I um I wanted to ask about um the your take on how it differs from traditional like people's traditional understanding of what R chrans are as opposed to how you look at it um but I think at this particular juncture more Pertinent is the discussing the energy body in the subtle body and we actually well do we kind of or do we exist across seven

planes and maybe you can describe the seven planes to us right so what you'll find in multiple traditions this is something that I address in my my first level spiritual science online course essential teachings and practices of spiritual science is that if you look at different Traditions they have different ways of dividing the different Planes of existence which then get reflected into our own subtle bodies so the first thing we need to understand is though different Traditions May divide the levels into different numbers of levels for analysis and understanding we always have the aspect that

if we look at a human being having subtle bodies everything in existence has to come from somewhere and following the core principle of the microcosm is a Reflection of the macrocosm one of those Original Classic Egyptian hermetic teachings As Above So Below as within so without the whole relationship between macrocosm and microcosm if we talk about a human being having a physical body it has to come from somewhere and that's why in the hamalian tradition they discuss the physical body as the kosha or the sheath that is the sheath made of food because the food

our mother takes in while they're gestating us in their Womb and then the food that we take in which we're an independent being that gets converted into the physical body so we take part of the physical substance from outside of ourselves and then we turn that into our actual physical body our sheath for being able to manifest literally materialize on the physical plane crystallizing into matter is one way to look at it but of course the physical body would be nothing but a dead lump if it was not activated by Core Life Energy and one

of the modern tragedies is that in the Western World they threw out every idea of Life Energy that existed in every classical tradition and acts like we're just some type of biological accident that operates like a machine with no understanding and not even permitting the discussion of the idea of Life Energy whereas in every classical tradition Life Energy was not only the foundation of a lot of our personal Development it was also the foundation of all healing systems so if you throw that out of all modern healing in the West Wern model you've lost something

very essential and so above the physical body we have the the Life Energy so they call that chi in China or Prana in India ether by the Greeks and so this is that Dynamic life force that actually animates the physical body it's what in Chinese medicine they would call our taking the universal Chi field and then Individualizing it into our life energy in the ancient Egyptian tradition they would represent this by uh showing a neter a higher being that's a conscious force of nature called Kum who has a Ram's Head is sitting at a potter's

wheel and he is on The Potter's Wheel forming what they call the C which is the life body of a human being that when that gets inserted in the physical body will make it alive and anime so this understanding of the Life Energy And that it is taken from a larger field of Life Energy all around us is something that's really Universal so whether you call it Chi K Prana ether or something else it's all the same idea but it's what actually gives us life and it is what creates and sustains the physical body and

it is going to be the difference between whether your life in a physical body is a misery or it's a constant pleasure so working with the dynamic life force is Absolutely vital then above that we start working into the bodies of Consciousness now again different Traditions will give different higher levels of consciousness different names they'll divide them slightly different ways in the western system the the first level is going to be called the astral and so the term astral is coming from the root term Aster meaning a star so what is a star it is

a source of light in the darkness and so Whereas when you're experiencing yourself in the aetheric Life body you experience that in terms of vibration tingling pressure density hot and cold things like this when you are experiencing the first level of the Consciousness body then this is expressed in terms of light and color and so that's the reason why it's called the astral body it's a source of light and then the different colors in The astral body are reflecting things that are going on with the creation of our thought forms and the activity of our

mind and the activity of our emotions which are all powerful functional energies that come from a a higher level and so that first level the astral even in the western tradition this term is sometimes Ed in slightly different ways in some traditions they'll use the term astral to mean the very first level of the Consciousness Body which we might also call the emotional body it's where our emotions exist and it is a part of our soul life but in other cases they use the term asteral to mean both the emotional body and the mental body

uh as they come together because they're very tightly connected so what your emotional state is will definitely affect your thought forms and your thought forms of how you internalize what's happening to you depending on how you take that in and Interpret it that will affect your emotional state so they're constantly interacting together so then we have the astral level and if we say that it is primarily the emotional rather than emotional and mental then we'd have another mental level above it and then the next level again using the most common Western model today and there

are differences in different Traditions but it's like cake you could slice it into as many different slices as you want for Analysis we want to have enough so that we can differentiate things but not so many that it becomes unworkable so above that level of the mental body we then have what in again the common Western model today that was popularized by the theosophist we have the causal body and so the causal body is really where we are connected to our Karma you know the law of cause and effect what we are sending out we're

going to get back and so at the causal level this is also Connected to certain types of energetic blueprints of everything that will exist in the world because it's going to be the cause behind the effect of crystallization into all of the lower levels so there are literal sacred geometry blueprints existing at this level including the blueprint of our own subtle body structure that we have created by how we've used our mind and our emotions and our actions thought speech and action for the Buddhist thinking feeling and willing for the rosac crucians ETC so there's

the causal level then above that we have what we might call in the west the spiritual level and the spiritual level is the world of true Spiritual Beings and all the different Spiritual Beings that exist and ourselves as a spiritual being all of which are fragments or emanations of pieces of particular powers or actions from the the one the godhead which is at the top level the Divine plane level and we all exist on the Divine plane level but the thing is most people are not aware of ourselves at the Divine plane level we may

be conscious of myself in my physical body I can feel I'm here I can feel myself in my energy body I feel tired today I feel strong today whatever it is I feel energetically then I can look at and experience what I have in my emotions at a particular time what thought forms I'm generating what I'm thinking about Whether that's more beneficial or detrimental in my perspective Etc we can experience these things but for the majority of people they're not conscious that the part of them is always on the Divine plane so if you say

a person has seven bodies one of those bodies is the Divine body and that Divine body is always operating on the Divine plane but most people are not conscious of it we're separate from it and so in many classical Traditions there'd be methods To make ourselves more aware of ourselves on the Divine plane to make a link to that remember draft of forgetfulness exactly and so that in Western terms would then be a path to becoming a saint a saint of someone who's always aware of themselves on the Divine plane level now one of the

Practical aspects of what that means because that could sound kind of high polluting and okay I'm aware of myself in a Vine plain level what's that one Very direct aspect of that is we become aware that we are in emanation along with everybody and everything else from the one the one original what in modern physics they call the unified field everything was part of one Consciousness and we all feel the subconscious pull to want to get back to that we want to reunite back to the one now that tends to microcosmically reflect in our romantic

yearnings that we want to find the missing part of ourselves the person That'll make us is complete to be able to have the two combined back into one because we know what that state of unity is like and although we can enjoy and should enjoy and should explore our independence as a separate being nonetheless very deeply buried in every person's heart is that desire to have the lover the partner that we reconnect to we become one we're truly known by them we truly know them and when we're together with them we don't know where We

end and they SK it's like the fields unify because in the physical body we're always going to be separate that's the nature of the physical plane but at these higher energetic levels energy bodies can interpenetrate and at the Divine plane level everything is one all righty guys hopefully you're having your mind blown by this podcast with Robert J Gilbert I know mine's just and it's only about to get more mind-blowing do us a favor please hit Subscribe to the channel it enables us to get more and more guest like Dr Robert J Gilbert onto the

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rosar crucian teacher said at one time that developing Clairvoyance is like a highly controlled form of psychosis now that means that it's somewhat fraught and you have to be very careful of it because you don't want to be become a mental patient and you're Perceiving all kinds of fantasmagorical beings around you all the time and these beings has told me to do this and that could become extremely dysfunctional these are like failed forms of spiritual initiation millions of mentally ill people around the world that had a type of failed spiritual initiation and they're perceiving all

kinds of wild beings and messages and they can't make any sense out of it they don't have a solid boundary to be able To make an order out of it and work with it in a responsible way but one thing that when you do start opening up to perceive not non physical beings non-physical realities these higher planes of existence of which the physical plane is just the tip of the iceberg it's a very small part of the whole whole system then we can perceive things like we might experience some some being on a higher level

that we're directly perceiving that appears to be One great amazing spiritual being but then we can perceive that other beings are starting to separate out of it and we begin to realize that it was actually uh and I'll give credit here to one of my teachers it was the French Medical Doctor Samuel Sagan at the Clair Vision School of Australia and he developed the great term combinen and he said that at these higher levels combinen combined Essence is possible and the beings can combine together to What looks like one being so they have this great

secret of being able to be both independent but to join back into to the one when they choose to and so you'll find that all these higher beings can actually combine into one great being or separate back out for independent action when they choose to and so we can understand that better we understand the nature that we all come from the one and we all go back to the one and it is possible to combine Energetically in much deeper ways than is possible in the physical body there seems to be a lot of fear cuz

around General opening up to unseen forces unseen beings unseen support from other Realms and dimensions and um maybe Hollywood has a part to play oh yeah I'm thinking of stranger things as a show wow it gets it can get really dark really fast um touchwood and you know I I would love to sort of yeah just feel Into your awareness um on that because I think we do have a lot of fear but I imagine um there are a lot of forces at play that are consistently also supporting us on our journey and a part

two to that question also one of the things that completely blew me away is researching your work this this idea of strengthening our spiritual muscles if in need of a better word um and realizing that well worth sort of unpacking a little bit I know it's a Long question but there are we in the west we've sort of conflated Satan satanic forces and luciferic forces to be one um and there's some issues with that because then we sort of just the good path the bad path but then understanding the nature of the forces that are

sort of distracting us on our path can be quite important and yeah I just found luciferic forces quite interesting and also satanic forces and Al what you were saying before like the World is overly materialistic I should probably pause here and let you you give a response to all of this um but yeah this and how do we how do we learn to trust um the Unseen forces and open ourselves up to them wonderful thank you I I appreciate the question it leads to some really wonderful areas to explore so one part of it is

that we have to be aware of the evolution of Consciousness that in ancient times like if you go back to The ancient viic vidonic text you know you'll you see glimpses of a time when people directly perceive non-physical beings and realities all the time and what Happ happened over time in the evolution of human consciousness partly linked to what in the Indian tradition is described as the cycle of the four yugas or these four great ages that we go to as we entered into what they call the Dark Age caluga then we had this aspect

that we lost our direct Perception of non-physical realities and that was necessary for a stage of an alchemical process and so this alchemical process in which we develop our conscious to a higher level we began just like as a reflection of the old state of being and the Divine we're all one that we had a Consciousness that the most important thing to us was our tribal identity and so like in Greece if Somebody did something horrible then the worst fate you could have was to be kicked out of the city and kicked out of your

group today if we get in legal trouble rather than go to prison for 40 years I said well we'll kick you out of the city otherwise they say fine I'm leaving I don't care but back in the old days there was a huge thing to be separated from your group that was a loss of self to do that what I going to do now but as we evolved our Consciousness we lost direct perception of non-physical realities so that we could focus and really sharpen our physical senses to perceive the physical plane much more deeply and

to be able to go more deeply into the functioning of our physical brain to be able to create what we think of today as modern science for example so our knowledge today of the material plane far exceeds what we ever had in the past because that's what we're totally focused on and we're able To use analytical capacities in the brain that didn't exist the same way a long time ago but we lost all of these spiritual aspects including direct perception of spirit as a part of that process also as we began to separate from the

spiritual world as part of a spiritual growth process uh we also had the the aspect that was inevitable that we would become more separate from other people we'd feel more separate from our group from our tribe we'd be more Capable of independent action and our primary focus would always be ourselves as an independent agent rather than the group identity now of course that's got to the point today that it's led to not just being a healthy form of being able to be independent and non-dependent on others but it's actually become a type of toxic narcissism

that we see everywhere today and so that's what that's what happens when it becomes One-sided and becomes toxic over time so in this particular process that we went through once we lost the direct perception understanding of non-physical realities at in earlier times people had no fear of perceiving these non-physical realities or was just like seeing anything else around you but as we began to lose an understanding of it then we became more dependent upon spiritual religious organizations that would then tell us What spiritual reality was about because we couldn't see it for ourselves anymore and

inevitably in these organizations it went from having a priesthood that actually could perceive and understand these things they were telling us something true to instead just becoming a frozen body of Dogma that the people giving it to us couldn't perceive anything themselves and even themselves more materialistically interpreting all of these things and that also then led To frightening people into doing what those Authority structures wanted you to do by making you very afraid of non-physical things and so all those boogey men would come to get you now the thing is originally when these boogy men

were talked about in spiritual uh sources there was the understanding these things actually do exist but it's something similar to if you said to a person you have a billion bacteria in your body right now and yeah it's true They got a billion bacteria in their body right now but some of those bacteria they couldn't live without you know it's the microbiome you better have those things and some of them are pathological but as long as you have your basic health state it doesn't really lead to anything too terrible so it get became a manipulation

thing to get people very afraid of non-physical realities but will keep you safe you have to pray to our God and you Have to do this you have to do that and don't step outside the lines we'll tell you what's acceptable in any area otherwise God will punish you and those beings will get you these kinds of things develop this is an oversimplification but that's kind of the gist of it now also connected with this was that simply by losing understanding of higher realities it's easy to become afraid of something we don't understand and and

That also happened now by the time we get to Modern Times And modern media modern entertainment it got to the point that the people writing the scripts I mean this is what I consider to be the biggest problem like in Hollywood right now they got a lot of great actors they got a lot of great directors they got people that can put together amazing movies the problem by and large is writing and so the writing is often not Very good and people are starting to complain about it and that's why Hollywood kind of going down

the tubes right now it's because the writing is not very good now I'm not saying that's true across the board there's some fantastic writers out there but the quality of writing is not great so where whereas in reality people are waking up to the reality of spirit of being a spiritual being working to find a a workable path today to really Integrating that for a path of growth that is real and Progressive and cumulative that you can take past the Gate of death something real then when we get Reflections about spiritual reality in our modern

media entertainment because you referenced this a moment ago uh often because the writers don't know anything about it whatsoever it becomes like a horror movie so if they're dealing with things that are spiritual you know it's ghosts And demons and all these horrible grotesque things that are going to afflict you and because because that's pretty easy to write and it it doesn't require a high State of Consciousness to write that type of thing but again it's a tragedy because people don't understand real spiritual reality because of this incredibly one-sided caricatured uh representation of everything non-physical

and spiritual as something grotesque and weird and scary And dangerous so those things do exist but if we don't have a primary focus on the beneficial and the essential and the Beautiful then it it's it's going to be something toxic and that's that's kind of what it's become and this is a a real problem today because people are reading much less they're getting their information mostly from video sources like the work that both of us do and and getting information out through video and through entertainment things like This so I wanted to address that one

point of it to begin with that you had brought up about you know people are scared of this so the fear of it is something that would happen automatically to a certain extent once you lose any understanding or perception of it but it's really Amplified by the manipulations of unethical religious structures trying to manipulate you to doing what they want you to Do and also by how it's represented in a culture where the people creating the entertainment know nothing understand nothing about this uh I had a person recently very nice fellow who's working in Hollywood

doing scripts and things who uh approached me to see if I could help with the spiritual aspects of a particular script and I'm hoping that in the future I can get more involved in that to like say you know the way this Is being represented is something that's really grotesque and skewed and it's not going to lead anybody to understanding spirituality at a deeper level let's find a way to represent real spiritual reality and that will excite people why does something like Harry Potter become this huge thing however many years ago it was now like

20 years or something why did that get so huge and it's because it dealt with something that even though it was like kind of in a Kid's format that interests and excites people and so we see that anytime there's even a little breath of something spiritual that has any Integrity people get really excited about it the same thing with Star Wars not a super deep philosophical Treatise but just the idea that there was a force back in the 1970s and you could connect to it and do these things was like amazing to people like ah

so great and they these Star Wars Fanatics again a Limited access point for understanding deeper reality but at least there was something there that attracts people so what we need to have today is we need to have just a clear rational grounded understanding of non-physical realities that we are simply a crystallization of the amount of time that we're going to spend incarnate in a physical body is probably much much less than the amount of time that we're going to spend between death and rebirth in the Spiritual world so we should understand non-physical realities now this

also connected to we need to understand what the practices are to be able to structure our own subtle body to activate the nent organs of spiritual perception inside of ourselves to to be able to perceive and understand these things again because once you go past the gate of death you know there's the kind of classical saying and this is also related to some Indian teaching Stories about one of the great Mysteries of the world is that everybody knows they're going to die but everybody acts like they're going to live forever hey you're inspired tribe I

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again for your spirit for yourself tonight's podcast you know we we should have that sense of momentum Mor that remember you will die you have limited time life is a limited time opportunity and and if you don't activate those organs of spiritual Perception if you don't structure your subtle body here and now you're not going to have anything to take with you it's like somebody said I'm going to take a trip to to Britain in uh two years but I don't have any money say okay we got two years to make some money so when

you go to Britain you can do some stuff well it's kind of the same thing here you know you're going to die what have you done to invest into your account that you can actually function And perceive and take action and navigate in a world without a physical body and without the five senses now people don't tend to think about this but this is absolutely essential this was understood in all the ancient Traditions people knew I need to spend my time here at least part of it uh developing these organs of spiritual perception and structuring

my subtle body and that became the practices you found in all the classical spiritual Traditions as time went on and this and many Traditions themselves this became control structures and understood very little about spiritual reality they didn't really have people focus on those spiritual practices anymore they would just provide service to whatever that Authority structure was and so this is something that needs to come back into culture and in a free way not like I'm going have to follow this religious Authority but this goes into then Answering your question earlier about Rosicrucianism and so my

take on Rosicrucianism is that number one rosac crism is not some separate isolated thing from the rest of the world it is the modern appearance of the W Western spiritual tradition in its modern updated form before that it had existed in ancient Egypt it existed among amongst the ases it existed amongst the Greeks it existed in the European traditions and by the time we get To the early 1600s when it really broke the surface and people could hear about it externally it' been gestating for a while the rosar Cruz tradition is really the modern appearance

of this type of knowledge and even the Spiritual Beings behind this particular group again to cite something from Samuel Sean of the Clair Vision school he would say what a spiritual tradition is is a particular group of Spiritual Beings and human initiates working toward a common Purpose now this also leads toward understanding why in different spiritual Traditions there are some exercises that are un ival that you have to do or you simply will not develop spiritually things like and that we call different things gerief may call it self-observation the Buddhist may call it mindfulness you

know it may have different names from different perspectives but it's all about first you have to start observing the contents Of your thoughts you have to start cons uh observing the contents of your speech observing the contents of your feelings observing the contents of your your actions and of your will impulses in the world these types of things this is also connected to what we call the six essential exercises of the rosac crucians so no matter what your tradition is you're going to have to do that stuff you know over the ancient temples and Greece

and things they say They would have like a a saying of know thyself because if you don't know the content of what you're generating all the time with your thought your speech your actions like the Buddhists talk about then you're not going to make any progress so that's essential but then there are other types of practices that are done in particular Traditions that are more particular to that tradition and that's because within the different cities or Powers developed In different Traditions around the world different Traditions will be the Guardians of certain types of knowledge they

will be the ones that really focus on developing certain things so like one of the things the rosar crucians really work on devel V oping and that they're at a Leading Edge of is things like a ability to have spiritual discernment and to consciously understand the larger context of how all the different world Traditions fit together into a unified System and so that people can consciously understand it and navigate through it and make informed decisions about what am I going to do with my time and energy to develop spiritually and to create an optimal life

so the original Rosa crui tradition was not going through any external person or any external Authority structure for your spiritual connection it was always about you learn to activate your own Central column of energy and a central energetic Structure you don't see it represented as much in the west but in things like Nepal they have really clear representations of these energy structures and of course in parts of the hamalian tradition so in this Central pillar of energy this this needs to be activated and you need to be able to connect to non-physical beings non-physical realities

directly so we cut out the middleman you don't have to go through This other person you don't have to go through this Authority structure that at this point that's become very toxic at one time it may have made sense but today we just see more and more toxicity with how these things tend to play out when you give your spiritual power away to another person to make decisions for you and so it's just part of the evolutionary process that we're in right now so again you asked me a fairly involved question so I'm giving you

a Fairly involved answer here so uh the rosac crucian impulse that I feel a part of uh is something that is also why I'm interested in the work of the ases I'm interested in the work of ancient Egypt these types of things also interested though because the rosac cruin understand all the systems or that's the goal I don't claim to understand all the systems perfectly but I'm fascinated and I I'm an Enthusiast I won't call myself an expert I'm an Enthusiast in pursuing This uh to see how all these different things uh work and connect

together or we can learn from them so there are certain pieces of wisdom that we can only find in some of the the depths of Indian esotericism uh there are certain things that we only find in dowst internal Alchemy from China it's like so there's these Universal pieces and there are these particular pieces where they hold precise pieces of knowledge related to Their work and then they'll give certain practices to their initiates to structure their subtle bodies so they become very advanced in whatever that piece of the puzzle is so you know we kind of

have like the old us TV show The A Team all these different Traditions like are experts in their own field and hopefully we'll all come together for the good to create the world we need to create so with that being the case of course people misunderstand things they Don't understand spiritual reality they don't understand the whole context so over time we began to develop rosar crucian organizations that were not based on the original rosac crucian impulse so much as they took on a type of masonic hierarchical structure so today there are multiple Ros acution organizations

in the world that I'm not a part of that's not my interest if that's what people want to do that's absolutely fine I I'm open to whatever is people's thing I'm not too judgmental but for me I think it's important people at least understand that the original rosar crucian impulse was about connecting directly to Spirit and any external teacher in the Ruan tradition is a kind of elder brother or sister on the path they're not an authority figure they're not someone to be have their word accepted without question uh they're just someone who's sharing with

you what They understand but you're autonomous and you connect directly to Spirit and you don't have to go through them or some external Authority structure and there's no grades to work through in that sense you don't have to join any organization you don't have to get this grade and that grade and pay money for that to get that next grade and have the politics of the organization I want nothing to do with it personally now I'm I don't want to cause conflict with These rosac Chuan organizations I'm sure that for their mindset and their approach

they may see it very differently but I'm just telling you how I approach it and the way that that I see it so that's my take on what happened with rosar crism the original is still there the original beings Behind These Traditions that are still active are still there so now cycling through the series of questions that you asked me then Getting to our understanding of the spiritual realities and the Spiritual Beings we need to develop an first an understanding a contextual understanding because there's no discernment without context if you don't understand the different pieces

of the puzzle Rudolph Stein the great rosac crucian initiate what said that to understand anything in its totality you have to see it from 12 different perspectives it's like you're walking a circle around something you See it from 12 different sides otherwise it's like the blind man and the Elephant you only feel it from one side that elephant's a wall from another perspective it's a it's a rope whatever it is you see from 12 perspectives know what it really is now that's why the zodiac is divided into 12 signs there's 12 different perspectives on the

sun in the middle or that around the Christ there were 12 disciples you're not going to be able to understand a being of that Level unless you have 12 different perspectives the whole circle of perspectives around that being so this is deeply embedded in the sacred geometry of both physical structures uh I'll get into the actual sacred geometric forms right now but there are certain sacred geometric forms that are based on this 12 around the one principle and you see it then manifest in spiritual organizations and these things so we need to Understand the context

for how this works and the most fundamental sacred geometric pattern to understand beings that are more beneficial more detrimental and to be able to navigate our way through it is and I'll just say very quickly that when I talk about this in terms of sacred geometry the sacred geometry thought form the archetypal pattern behind this thing is actually a thought form from The mind of God the thought forms from the mind of God is what create the pattern it's actually how it started then it crystallizes down through the plains into all the different what the

Chinese call the 10,000 things all the differentiated parts of the system but at its core it's threefold and so the three-fold part of the system is that there is one straight line connection between spirit and matter that on things like the Tree of Life in the Jewish Cabala which actually also existed in ancient Egypt before that but that's a different discussion that most people know it as the Tree of Life in the Jewish cabala they have that middle pillar and the middle pillar on the tree of life is the only one that goes all the

way up to the very top and all the way down to the very bottom and this is that straight line connection between the macrocosm and the microcosm between the higher spiritual Realities and our reality crystallized here into the physical plane and it is the path of the one right spiritual action at any time where things are perfectly balanced now that's the balance point where spirit and matter are perfectly balanced Yin and yangong are perfectly balanced all polarities but then it can go off to either polarity and so if it goes off to the spiritual polarity

then It's possible to fall prey to the spiritual trial that we all have to overcome which is the trial ego inflation we think we're way more developed than we actually are we become the little Guru and we're like espousing all types of things and we get some followers and we place ourselves above them and uh we just create all of these fantasies about how incredibly Advanced we are so that's that's one part of that and that leads to a type of illusory Spirituality and so the Spiritual Beings that are connected to this that have had

some level of ego inflation themselves and they have a perspective on Humanity that is such that their influence on us is that they kind of get us toward number one illusory forms of spirituality things that we might like to be true that aren't true uh but also to overestimate our state of Spiritual Development which almost always leads to a crash and a fall later On so these beings were known for their extremely bright light because we said before like with the astral plane once we move into higher Consciousness levels that's reflected in light in fact

light and Consciousness are the exact same thing so if you experience Consciousness externally you perceive it as light that's like the light around the heads or the bodies of the initiates and if you experience light Internally it's Consciousness and so it's the exact same thing only experienced inside or outside and so they they understood these beings to be beings of great brilliant light they are more advanced than Humanity sometimes called the Great old ones they're older than we are they've been evolving longer they've evolved but they took the kind of a weird tangent they don't

always in intend a lot of harm but because they don't understand what we in Our world here and our alchemical process is about that we have to balance spirit and matter in a particular way they just tell us oh the Earth's an illusion you can get off the cycle of karma reincarnation and just kind of get off the planet and not have to deal with all this Etc they think they're doing us a favor by telling us this and they are beings of great spiritual wisdom once you get past some of that stuff they do

know quite a lot of things they're more Involved than we are but these beings were then known as beings of great light but it's a kind of light that can be so bright that it blinds and it's not necessarily something that illuminates accurately and so with the ancient languages this became the leader of this being referred to then as the lightbearer or Lucifer luciferic beings are beings of great light great spiritual knowledge And wisdom but there's often a knuckle ball in that wisdom where it's skewed or there's Illusions in it or things that pump up

your ego and have nothing to do with your real spiritual purpose and task in this Earth plane these kinds of things so that's one side the other side it can go off is toward materiality to a type of radical materialism and that's very common today so these beings the radical materialism beings weren't as strong in ancient Times thousands of years ago people's primary influence as far as these beings to one polarity or the other much stronger toward the luciferic beings now we're getting really pulled uh although Lucifer is still very strong particularly in spiritual circles

that we're getting very pulled to where the materialistic beings and so these beings were really from what I can find in in historical documents they were first really seen and described in the Persian Zoroastrian system and where the this particular group of beings or the leader of this group of beings that lead toward materiality and a loss of any perception of spiritual reality these beings were referred to in the zor asrian system as anger Manu or as araman and so this then became the archetype of like the dark lord of this world so the aramon

figure is seen in zor asterism as opposed to the beneficial being of the Sun a hero asdal Which is absolutely connected to the solar deity in the vidic tradition in the Egyptian tradition Etc and so Aura mazal the spiritual being seen in the sphere of the sun is opposed by this more materialistic being and for a while people couldn't even really perceive this being and in Missouri as tradition they first began to describe it and then it took a historical trajectory from there so these beings they know that spiritual Reality is real they're they are

Spiritual Beings but they have a particular ability and a particular task they fell in love with crystallization they fell in love with matter in a way that became very one-sided in the whole Cosmic process and so when the higher Spiritual Beings following the thought forms of the godhead began to create the sacred geometric blueprints of everything that manifests in our world these beings are a part of the process To actually crystallize it into physical matter it's their CA it's a real power that they have but they fell in love with this and they also have

a desire to physically incarnate themselves but they're not allowed to because that would be like allowing a child molester to be playing in the sandbox with the little children is this where the four watchtowers exist that's right that gets into the deeper teachings about the establishment of the four watchtowers With particular beneficial Spiritual Beings so these beings the one-sided materialistic beings their influence on us has become much stronger in modern times as part of our evolutionary process where we've become more materialistic and individuated and logical linear with no spiritual perception ourselves so we're we're easy

prey to these beings saying oh yeah all that spiritual stuff is a fantasy now the way that they work is First to make you believe that anything spiritual non-physical doesn't exist there is nothing but physical reality that's become a Dogma in modern science in modern medicine in the west that's affected the whole world uh but if you have the ability to say well no I know that there's something more than this I know that there's like a a higher reality as the physical plane they do these things that were beautifully described by CS Lewis In

the screw tape letters they then they'll change their tactic and they say oh yes you're you're smart you're one of the ones that smart enough to figure it out and then they'll give you these representations of spiritual reality that are corrupted by materialistic thought forms this is something that's almost completely not understood at all in modern spirituality to our great detriment many of our spiritual Concepts that we find today on The marketplace are affected by what the rosac crucians call Ault materialism so it's like the true reality is physical matter and then they put a

little icing on the cake a little super structure on top of it that's a reflection of physical reality rather than understanding this is just a crystallization of all those higher levels which are the true causal levels this is not the causal level this is the effect level they've reversed that and Then have endless Mischief getting us confused about real spiritual reality because they just give us these materialistic Corruptions of what Spiritual Development is about and spiritual realities so that's these particular beings again they were called uh araman angr menu in the old zor asrian time

and then as we got into the Egyptian tradition this being this impulse uh was referred to as set then as Moses was initiated in the Egyptian Temples and then led the Jews out and created the Jewish cabala out of what he had learned in the Egyptian but then changed it into this new religious system set became then in the Hebrew language ha Satan meaning the adversary so Hasan then became simplified to Satan and so that's the Satan that we have in Western metaphysics today the problem is that with the loss of any understanding of spiritual

reality it began to be that references to Lucifer versus Satan were Misunderstood as it's all the same being and it doesn't even make any sense once you think that you cannot have any discernment of real Spiritual Beings these beings are completely polar opposite and how they affect us and and what their structure is and and all of those things so we have to understand that they're very different even their agendas are different and the way they affect us is very different once I I found that when I I clarify this for People and it's not

just me this is like a fundamental thing in Rosicrucianism as well and even some parts of other Traditions like there are some Jesuits that will talk about oh yeah Satan and Lucifer are not the same being but you don't get that from the mainstream Catholic Church stuff it's like an initiate in that tradition I was like oh yeah they're different but to know that they're different is very very important so one of the things we become aware of As we're developing spiritually and we start perceiving non-physical realities is that there's all types of different phenomena

there can be all types of lower level beings than these these are like at a high level there's all types of more Elemental beings that may have become corrupted and operate in a dysfunctional way and that leads to various methods and traditions of being able to pull these detrimental entities out of the human Energy System where They feed on certain things and and that type of thing but again it's easy for this to become sensationalized and fear-based and it's no different to remove one of these entities from the human energy field and it would be

to go to remove a splinter at a urgent care but you know everything gets sensationalized and dramatized and it goes off the rails and that that supports certain detrimental beings they like it being Sensationalized they like the fear they feed on the fear so the first thing we need to do is just kind of get a rational perspective on the whole thing and and understand that you know we're going to keep our focus on the beneficial beings we're all influenced by the luciferic and aramon impulses uh but we don't have to react to it it's

just a part of the way that the world is it would be like overreacting to the fact like everywhere I go in the earth Is not perfectly balanced in in warmth some places are super hot and some places are super cold and I'm going to freak out anytime I go somewhere hotter or cold that's the same thing if we're being affected by these beings that's like a part of the natural process so anyway I know that was a long-winded answer but it was a in-depth question so I wanted to unfold it a little bit no

thank you so much for yeah I feel like the question really been honored in your Response thank you for taking the time and yeah feel free to to share as as long as you wish I can listen to you forever unpack these Concepts um and yeah the there was a that there's a takeaway for me as well that pardon the pun I'm a dad now so I'm hilarious but it we shouldn't demonize these forces because they're also there to sort of support us on our path by actually you know you said context is important for

discernment and With the Rosicrucianism like it's it's it's important to actually develop that discernment to to a certain level right absolutely so this is one of the things most lacking today in uh the independent path to Spiritual Development that I often talk about because a lot of people are voting with their feet to have an independent path of Spiritual Development to where I'm not just going to learn from this one Guru or from this one tradition I'm Going to open myself up to learn and understand things from any direction that has truth and to put

it together into a system that will work for them and whatever their particular purposes so I always emphasize with people my work with vess is to clarify context for you and what I always hear from people when I I teach these things which I do in a competely non-authoritarian Context it's not some type of charismatic transmission that you have to accept is just like don't accept any of it until it makes sense to you it'll become so obvious it couldn't be any other way until then it doesn't really have any value but to understand that

what I'm giving are things that are meant to save you time on the path because Life's a limited time opportunity you got a very finite Timeline here to do what you came here to do and this is connected to another part of what we're doing with vess when I say it's about helping people remember who am I why am I here what did I come to do the reality that I see which is related to what the Russian philosopher ger gief called The Terror of the situation is that the majority of people are not fulfilling

their karmic contract they are not doing what they agreed to do before Incarnation when they had a Much expanded Consciousness on the whole thing we get so lost and confused and traumatized by what we go through on the physical plane just trying to overcome the draft of forgetfulness and find a way in this world with with very little reflection of who we really are that it's very easy to get lost and so it's has become the case that the majority of people that I see are not doing what they came here to do now part

of that is working on Themselves but the other part is like an act of service to the world and it's different for different people what one person's uh task is is not the same as my task I've been working on my task for many many many lifetimes it's a very particular trajectory and I love doing it it's something that I I love it's not like a burden uh it's exciting but uh that's like my thing yours may be something completely different but we all need to have that contextual Information to help remember who am I

why am I here Etc so that's a a major part of what we're we're approaching right now is to give people that that contextual understanding so I think at this point understanding um the energetic body um that we develop is is uh is an important is an important point in this conversation to highlight that and I think also just to sort of again honor the word context that you um you get you Gifted us so so deeply in in the previous response to the previous question yeah it's interesting because we can also get enamored by

building our structure um our energetic structure and yet I'm also seeing that as like the whole science of AA not that this is AA but the whole science of AA exists actually to facilitate your Dharma um at the heart of it right and so like Health exists to facilitate purpose and so there's this dance between building your Own energetic structure and also what you're here to do in this lifetime so you know there there's a it's there's two parts to that yes we're obviously misguided swayed and there's a lot going on there's a lot of

forces that play um but then the invitation to really build this energetic structure but then not to get overly obsessed with it as well because you are also here to do something uh in the world as well can you help me clarify my way through that And how to actually do that right so I appreciate you're talking about ayurveda and about you know we are attaining health for a particular purpose now if we take that into what we see in modern uh independent path of Spiritual Development around the world we have another challenge that's very

common today and that is a misunderstanding of the preliminary step to doing real spiritual structuring and development work because The preliminary step always has to be healing is to get healthy so the root of the word healing in uh in the west is whole it's to make us whole and so the essence of this is that until we become coherent enough until we deal with enough of our trauma that we've processed it to the point that we are coherent enough that we can actually do inner work then then we have to focus on healing and

of course for some people this is a harder task than others Because they've had more trauma they've had very difficult lives but what we have to be very careful about is that we don't get stuck in that and so I often find that when people talk about healing and metaphysical circles they don't have any concept of anything beyond that it's like oh well you know it's endless I'll be healing forever well yes there's always more layers of the onion and we can heal more things and get more whole we can get More coherent but we

can't wait forever to start doing the actual work healing is not the actual work healing is the preliminary to the work and this is horribly misunderstood today now I'm in no way trying to diminish the significance of real core healing work it's absolutely essential and God bless everybody who's undertaken that in their own path and people who provide healing work to others as an act of service it's absolutely essential you can't do Anything without it the problem is when we don't have any Vision that it's only a preliminary step to start doing the actual work

the actual development and so the simplified format for it that I often tell people is that yes do the healing work and you can keep doing it in the background but you're doing the healing work to get you to the point that you are coherent enough to be able to do the next level the first real level of the work what you came here to Do and that is activation now when you start getting into the deeper levels of the different types of Indian yoga and into the Chinese Dost internal Alchemy and things like this

there's all types of practices to activate your energy systems so they'll have it in slightly different context there may be a focus on activating chakras in India that may be activating certain meridians and acupuncture points in the DS system These kinds of things but the essence of it is that our whole Energy System is in somewhat of a slumbering state until we activate it with Consciousness and energy at that point we develop new organs of spiritual perception every chakra is an organ of spiritual perception every organ in the body is an organ of spiritual perception

and so that's well described in ayurveda and Chinese Dost work particularly they're really strong on that they really make It really clear how that works and so we have to not get stuck in healing although again very very important to do it to get whole and coherent but then we have to start activating so what are the practices that we do to activate our Consciousness what are the practices that we do to activate our energy limited time opportunity and we only got so much time and energy every day to do something so we got to

make informed decisions about what practices Am I going to do that are the most important that's why I introduced a certain set of practices in my online course called essential teachings of practices of spiritual science things that are really universals now I may teach them from the perspective of a certain tradition so for example I talk about the six essential exercises of the rosac crucians but you'll find that those six essential exercises within a particular concise context that makes Sense to people in modern times you'll find analoges to that in every great tradition you'll find

them in India you'll find them in China you'll find them in Egypt you'll find them everywhere so there's a certain set of these things that we need to know to start structuring our subtle body to start activating these things but lots of times people will get activations but they can't hold it so that means the next level after the activation has got To be stabilization now this is also very clearly described in things like DST internal Alchemy in China which is an amazing Advanced system that you can't just activate it has to be activated and

stabilized so that you can maintain it and there's brilliant observations like in the indianan tradition about this that this works cyclically and so for example this understood in the Indian tradition that when you wake up in the Morning you're in a dense heavy Tusk State and that Tas is something that you know you're not at a very elevated State at that point you're kind of heavy and weigh down very physicalized but then you got to summon your energy you got to get the energy revved up which if you do it through what the Buddhist would

call Un skillful means means you Tak in caffeine or sugar or something to try to rev up your system but the long term doesn't work out well or the more Skillful means you would do some type of yogic practice and you do pranayama to get energy flowing in the body and you would do postures to open up the channels and all these types of things but you then need to use the ruges to get the energy flowing and get you out of that Tusk heavy dense State and then you can get enough of the Boost

energy going that you can reach Suva and once you reach the suic state now your your airplane's At cruising altitude it was on the ground you revved it up to the point that you got high enough that now you can just cruise at that level but even that has a has a duration to it because we're still in a physical body and no matter how activated your sufix state is at some point you're going to get hungry you're going to get thirsty you're going to get tired and you're going to fall back into Thomas and

it's a cycle and you just have to understand that's the Way the Cycle Works some people like want to be activated all the time in this type of uh regist State and so they can reeta but you have to rest you have to go to this other thing so when we activate can we maintain that activation meaning keeping the activated parts of our Energy System keeping those structures stable that we've activated even though we have to go through rest stas and such it's not just like you lose it You are holding it in place while

you rest and recharge and then keep taking it up to higher and higher levels so these are some fundamental concepts that we need for really understanding not getting stuck in just healing you have to activate that's where the work is really beginning then you have to stabilize it this is something I often talk about with people today that have become quite active in the Psychedelic Renaissance Community which really Started with my being invited by the Oxford psychedelic Society to talk to them about the spiritual aspects of what's going on with people doing all these powerful

plant medicines which I am not in any way opposed to but it needs to be understood in a different context because you'll often find people talking about oh I did too much of this and now I've got some issue coming from it or uh you know I had this great opening but now I'm just Living in hell again and just because it's not understanding about activation stabilization and understanding this as part of a spiritual ual process as stages of an alchemical process that needs to come back into the Psychedelic Renaissance and I find that when

people have that frame of reference it becomes way more functional for them because that's how it was in the ancient world in the ancient world the use of these medicines were within a very clear Alchemical step-by-step developmental process so even once we reach the point of stabilization we've still only at the point that we're kind of getting ourselves ready to do something and that becomes then the application stage now you can do what you came here to do let's go do it and get out of this problem right now where everybody is so caught up

with their own suffering and confusion and acting out that they're Not doing their karmic contract so I think those are a few basic ideas that are are helpful for understanding the context we're working in today yeah and so you touched on the um the SE R secretion well are they basic are they the fundamental exercises but I know they're sort of also coded in this 12 petal Lotus of the heart that you refer to as well and then six of them we've addressed prior to coming into this Incarnation and six we have the Opportunity to

work within this Incarnation um yeah maybe you can unpack that a little bit for us to understand what the work looks like absolutely so there are particular also sorry just the the the different cuz the r of Christians come from the heart as a system to work outwards but then there are also other systems that work top down bottom up sorry yes no no that's helpful so this is something I go into more detail On in the introductory spiritual science course of central teachings and practices of spiritual science I talk about the way that we

need to understand that if you're looking at comparative activation initiation practices from different Traditions you have to understand some fundamentals without that you can't really make sense of what's going on one of those fundamentals you just referred to and again I describe this more detail the Course but the basic idea is that there are certain ways of activating the human Energy System that's from bottom up and so that would be like some of the Kundalini systems in the hamalian system so you're activating the base chakra first then you activate the sex chakra and then you

keep moving up the ladder until you activate the crown and go up the column now the challenge for the bottom up method Is that this led to the development of an ashram system where they would try to keep people from excessive sexual Temptation because if you're opening up the base chakra first and then the sex chakra you're going to have a lot of energy in the sex chakra now I'm in no way a sex negative person I think people should explore and embody this as best they can you know make hate while the sun is

shining but it's just like this was the understanding in the Indian Tradition is like well we want people to still keep moving up the ladder and not stop there so we'll put them in an asham we'll tell them to have certain visualizations of members of the opposite sex that may lead to them not having as much sexual desire these kinds of things and so there's the the bottom up method and and we could say in some ways this is actually an energy first method so for energy and Consciousness bottom up would be energy first you're

Open up oh big energy centers this is like the core energy and then the lots of energy to work on the Consciousness centers higher up sh yeah and again I'm not putting down any of these methods I'm just describing the context for them people have have been able to attain Enlightenment using all these different systems I'm about to describe they're just different approaches then you have the top down system top down system is more like the Modern Western system and it was shown in the Christian tradition by showing the column of energy above the head

of Jesus when he was baptized in the Jordan by John and they show the dove of the Holy Spirit coming down the column and entering into the Crown Center and so that is actually showing the activation of the Crown Center first with the powerful spiritual energies that are above the head and so you activate the crown first Then the centers in the forehead like the one up here that's where the Urus comes out in ancient Egypt then the one here around the third eye and then you work down to the later ones again advantages and

disadvantage anes of it this way you have a lot of coherent awareness and able to have discernment and guide things as you go because you're opening up these higher awareness centers first uh but again this is something That if it doesn't go far enough then it can lead to a person becoming disp very intellectual and not transforming and connecting to the Earth to their body to their sexuality to all the life force energy which is the exact opposite of the challenge that you have coming in the bottomup system now they're both workable systems uh but

that's kind of how it developed over time there's a bottomup system and there's a top down system now The rosac crucians approach this differently and so if you understand from a sacred geometry perspective the center is always the thing the center is the key thing and the center can be expressed in different ways so when we talked about the the central pillar with what in the west would be christic mikelic in Buddhism it would be the buddhic ETC that Central pillar of the beneficial energies everything's balanced spirit and matter And it can go off balance

to to these different directions then we have the the whole issue that as we are uh developing our Consciousness that you know we have two different poles here with Consciousness first or energy first the Ros crusan want to go straight to the center that middle pillar and so the center of this like if you look at the the image of seven chakras from the hamalian tradition what's in the center is the Heart center and in all types of energetic work and spiritual work and this includes the incredible Egyptian biogeometry work that I'm fortunate to teach

from the work of my teacher in Egypt Dr ibam kareim uh everything is about the center how do you activate the energy of the center and so in the rosac crucian system rather than going top down or bottom up we go Center out and so when we have the six essential exercises of the rosac Crucian which is and just give people a very short overview it's a lot more detail and I take you through the Steps step by step in the course is that first it is to observe and direct the thinking then to observe

and direct your feeling forces the emotional body particularly and then to observe and direct your will impulses and the actions you're taking in the world again these are universals you'll find some form of this in every great tradition you can't you can't do It anything without it these are Essentials then the next one is that you have to develop a very beneficial perspective you have to have a tremendous positivity toward everything that comes and easier said than done particularly in a in an age that tends toward negativity and over criticism of things but to have

a a positive view of things even challenges in life and then the next aspect is to have a type of radical openness to New Perspectives and New ways of seeing things and new ways of being new ways of living if you're going to grow into a bigger being you better have some openness to breaking a lot of the crust that you currently live in even if the people around you are like what are you doing you're going to have to evolve in into some higher States so a type of radical openness to seeing things differently

living differently and then the judgement yes uh but discernment but without Superficial judgment yes that's the key and then the sixth part is to be able to harmonize all these together it's like a stabilization harmonize all of it as not something they just puts time aside in a day to like do this exercise do that exercise but you've done the exercises enough that you've integrated it and you're doing it in the background all the time you're conscious at this level and you're functioning at that level all the time you have the positivity you Have the

openness you have the observation and beneficial direction of the thinking feeling and willing and all becomes part of an integrated system now the reason this is connected to the heart is it's quite literally connected to the heart to the center of our Energy System and one way that the Egyptian that the rosac crucians look at this is that uh we don't have an organizing Center for our energy body until we do these Practices until you activate your heart center there is no organizing Center for your body of energy just a bunch of crazy stuff going

off in all kind of different directions you always have to have an organizing Center for anything okay guys quickly jumping in here to ask you a question leave me a comment in the comments below which of these Rose secretion exercises are you most enamored by will you be integrating into your being and how is your relationship With your subtle energetic body and structuring it I'd love to hear from you in the comments below about your relationship with this stuff back to today's episode so this creates the organizing Center because the heart as understood in the

great Bic tradition is a 12 pedal Lotus and the 12 pedal Lotus every lotus petal has a different Power a different CA and so the six of them as you mentioned were developed in previous Times and what we need to do now is develop the other six if we develop the other six then all 12 Lotus pedals will be activated the vortex movement will become more powerful the organizing Center will become fully activated and everything else we do in our Consciousness and energy throughout the energy system will be coherently structured and now has an organizing

Center and so to develop those six other pedals of course that's the six Essential exercises in rosac crism every one of those Lotus petals is connected to a particular CA power uh activity a particular exercise that why they're called the six essential exercises if we actually work on the six essential exercises it'll activate the organizing Center in the body of energy activate the heart chakra that becomes a solid foundation for all of the other more advanced work we do later and solid foundations are essential for our Structuring of the subtle body if you don't have

a solid foundation you can go through all types of massive activations like when people do huge amounts of psychotropics but they don't have a foundation for it to land on it's not necessarily going to give them the result they're hoping for And discussing the result we're hoping for building this um I'm almost seeing it maybe this is the engineer in me but as a capacitator something to get Like build that capacity that it can actually like container that can actually support you and um something you can build and it's really interesting as you mentioned earlier

the sheath you know the opportunity and you've mentioned this a few times in the podcast that just this limited time opportunity you know um yeah just the the the development of this particular capacity this Container the question being the importance of it um and the dance of karma that we carry between lifetime to Lifetime because I think we we well we being Indian by Nature like Karma or something we just you know you're raised in the in the soup of why why did that happen to such and such oh W that was just Karma know

I feel like I'm having conversations with Karma like some people that are coming to it later but obviously we're we're all on our own Path um but then realizing that actually this is actually supporting us lifetime to Lifetime um and the importance of that and then if you can just highlight the uh how how that actually happens like the importance of this work because then also yeah something about the way you highlight I didn't realize that the the Egyptian Book of the Dead was called the the coming into the light and like that that is

profound okay so there's a number of Things there uh let me start with talking a little bit about understanding that our lifetime is a sacred geometry in time from birth to death just like there's a sacred geometry of space there's patterns in time just like there's patterns in space so in the great viic tradition the science of joti the science of Light which in the west we tend to call Bic astrology is really the sacred geometry of time and it's a very Advanced amazing System and I found it to be of incredible value and help

so one thing about the understanding joti that is not clearly brought out in Western astrology and there are certain systems within jsh that don't exist in Western astrology like the the time cycles of the planetary forces the Dasha system you just don't have that in the west it's like super important but the whole idea here is That it's understood in jotish that your karmas will ripen at a particular moment in time and the moments that they were ripen are predetermined what you do with them is up to you how you deal with that Karma ripening

is up to you because it may lead to things that are more Saturn in nature which nobody likes and are very hard it's a very hard teacher but sometimes lead to your greatest growth in life uh or it could be something That's more jupiterian and it's like this is great everything's just flowing and expanding and I'm having a great time but it can take these different forms and so the joti it's very helpful because what it it does is it uh shows you the moments that your karmas will ripen so that's how the natal chart

your birth chart is understood it is a Time map for when your karma is Will ripen with a structure of your Consciousness and energy being shown in the natal Chart and then if you look at the progressed transit places of the uh the planets etc those are going to activate some of the natal positions the time that you were born where things were when you have a particular angle and particular geometric position of a planet moving in the Heavens to that one it's going to trigger a Karma and so unbelievable depth of knowledge in joti

about what Karma will be triggered by what of these Cosmic Clock activations so whether a person gets into Jo or not and I found it very valuable to have joti readings from very Advanced practitioners so I know what's coming down the pike you know there's a saying that I'm going to butcher from the original Sanskrit that's like to be aware of and to avoid the the uh challenge or danger that has not yet come that's what we're going to be doing when we understand the time progression And we can brace ourselves for some of the

more difficult things and take it on more consciously so we have all kind of karmas regenerated in the past and they will really there are times in our lives we don't have to deal with that karma too much but other times it's going to come right up in our face and we're going to have to deal with this and so it's very important to when things come up again it's helpful to have for knowledge but if you don't then just When it happens out of the blue you need to take it on and to deal

with it in a positive way so we need to have a sense of the things that come to us as unpleasant challenges are like the Chinese say you know crises or dangerous opportunities and so there an opportunity for us to work through something and so when you study a person's energetic structure and we start talking about structuring the Subtle bodies everything that we do on a regular basis with the thoughts we generate with the feelings we generate and the actions we take now takes us back to the six essential exercises we're examining those but behind

the scenes all the time we're generating certain types of thought forms some of these are thought forms that create illness and distress and Bad Karma same thing for some of our feelings same things for some of our will impulses the Actions we take in the world where we could have helped somebody but we were too narcissistic to bother or we get upset and we act out and we harm somebody in a way that was not right those things are a cars set in motion hey you're inspired tribe I want to take a quick sec I

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when we begin to understand that we're constantly generating Karma with what we think and we feel and we act then we realize that We need to through the practices like I just described 6al exercises start cleaning that up because what you send out you're going to get back that's always the case so we can go into the practices and start working with that and start cleaning it up and correcting it and we can also take the most painful challenges that we have in life which sometimes are development of new Karma it could be somebody else

acting out detrimentally we didn't choose it but They acted out detrimentally and it affected us and now we've started a new Karma with them or it could be something that we've done in the past detrimentally that's now needs to play out I'm going to have that reflected back to me and it's like well how do you like it when it happens to you after you did it to somebody else that's a classic Karma thing but to take that on and to let it deepen us and to understand that this is something that in the end

will Be very beneficial because all suffering is finite but the gifts it give us is going to be infinite that's like the lesson we have to take from it the suffering is finite the gifts we get from what we learn from it can be infinite it's kind of like the beautiful statement in the book The Prophet by khil gabron where he talks about the way that our suffering is hollowing us out with sharp knives to create a space inside of us that can be filled with joy Later we have to make a space for that

Joy that's going to come later to fill us that's very much how I look at it so that would just be some beginning considerations I have about encountering our Karma and our structuring the subtle bodies the importance of the practices that we do the importance of seeing this as a karmic opportunity in the time sequence of our life to move ourselves up to a higher level overcome that challenge because until we get to the Point that the challenge is no longer difficult for us it will continue to repeat in lifetime after lifetime if you get

to where well this just like another day and you know how to handle it and it's not a big deal at that point it can dissipate it can absolutely disappear there's also a fascinating idea before I drop this topic in uh the Bic system where they talk about astral remedies and so you'll find certain things in your joti chart with the ripening of Karmas and they'll have different ways of approaching uh particular challenges like if you got a particular Transit of Saturn that's going to activate this particular Karma that you will not find very pleasant

and you need to to deal with there are certain types of Astral remedies some of it is working at the vibrational level what we call vibrational science in at the vesa Institute which is certain types of stones uh or anator certain types of Herbs they will carry a vibrational Essence that can help us in dealing with whatever that challenge is or it could be some certain types of folk practices you know throw black sesame seeds in the river at this particular time whatever that is but the key of that really is that the key astral

remedy is to do the practices that are going to change your conscious awareness so that you've cleaned up whatever was the thing That generated the detrimental Karma so that you no longer generate detrimental karma from the thought speech feelings action but also so that you then compensate for the harm you did in the past through beneficial activities now that's our acts of service there's a beautiful saying that's a reflection of this in the western Holy Grail tradition which is that the Grail grants in advance the life claimed in its service now what that means is

that according to A strick lar of karma an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth which as Gandhi said makes the whole world blind that to get out of that type of Old Testament eye for an eye tooth for a tooth into the New Testament in the western tradition of forgiveness and being able to move past it and stop that karmic knot you know just evaporate that and go on there's a a really important aspect of this where we have certain things we've done in the past we may have harmed People we may

have killed people it may have been in a wartime and we were protecting our own people in that wartime but nonetheless you killed somebody and you still carry the karma of that and so if the strict Karma of I for and I tooth for a tooth had to be worked out then let's say you were in Wartime you killed 20 people and you weren't a raving Maniac it was just part of being a soldier at That time whatever it is well according to the hard law of karma you would have to be killed by each

of those 20 people in other lifetimes which becomes just an endless misery of one horrific life after another how do we get out of that kic notot that's what the New Testament is about following the Old Testament in the western system and so it's not only about forgiveness you know forgive others uh their trespasses as we'd like to be Forgiven for ours that sort of thing but it's also this thing about acts of service and so when we make sure that we have a balance in our life of not only the things we're getting that

we want for us but also the acts of service that we're near giving out that actually becomes serving The Grail in the western system so the Grail grants in advance the life claimed in a service means I don't have to be killed by those 20 People in 20 different lifetimes I can provide help to them maybe I become a medical doctor and I help them survive a medical challenge that would have killed them otherwise I took their life at one time now I've given them their life that would be an example of this so by

acts of service we can overcome the horror of endless hard form of karma get into the Forgiveness impulse which in the western system comes from the sun comes from the solar logos it comes from the Christos This is a solar yoga that we perform and so this becomes a part of how we work with Karma beneficially I love that I feel like there's so much yet to be asked um about where we're all going from here um and some people do go on and some people choose to come back um as bodh satas um yeah

I'm conscious of the the time we have left is that a question we can we can get answered in this short the time that's actually a great question to to End on here because we are coming to the end of our time so what you're referring to there to serve everybody's in the on the same page with us is that when we we at the end of an Incarnation there is a choice that we make during that movement through the spiritual world before we come back into the next Incarnation which is that we need to

make a choice about do I just go back into the universe or do I come back to Earthly Incarnation and in our Lower State Consciousness we often feel like I don't want to come back it's painful here and and that can be quite true that's why the Buddhists talk about you know life is suffering but they don't mean like like oh life is suffering what they mean is yeah life is suffering get over it embrace the possibilities of this and just take that for granted and go do what you're going to do as best as

you can and make the best of all of it so there's an aspect of this that in the Buddhist system one might take the bodha atra vow which means that even though you've developed far enough that you could just go off into the cosmos and have your fun adventures and and whatever plane you choose to operate on uh you choose to come back which will necessarily entail suffering you're accepting that upfront you choose to come back until all sensient beings attain Enlightenment and so that's like a a High spiritual attainment that one would choose to

do that and it's one of those things that's easy to say and hard to do once you get down into the weeds of a heart Incarnation but I mean that's the beautiful part of this highlevel initiate sort of thing because for high initiate even if it entails suffering even being tortured and killed by the authorities of the time it's something that for a true Initiate there's only one right action at the time and they will do that one right action regardless of the consequence regardless of the level of suffering that will entail now one thing

we have to say about this is this is something that's absolutely beautiful the bod is atal and the Earth will likely have very difficult times coming up if we see what's happening now in modern technology as a seed and we see the way That seeds ripen into plants when some of the seeds being planted right now in modern technology ripen in coming times which we may have to deal with in our next incarnations if we're not active enough now to try to push it into the right direction if it goes toxic it's going to be

rough but uh knowing that these things are coming choosing to continue to come back and help other people even though we've reached the point we don't have to Come back for our own development is something that we should hold as a something that we hold in very high esteem and for any person that attains that level that's a beautiful beautiful thing now let me now give a caution part of ego inflation that I talked about before is one of the first challenges that every person will find on the spiritual path and that is so toxic

today in metaphysical circles with so much ego inflation people think they're So much more advanced than they are and just not saying as like oh that's those other people that's not me it's all of us we all have that particular challenge it's something that uh we need to be very aware that the majority of human beings are not developed to the point that they are ready to stop the cycle of Earth incarnations and go out into the cosmos you're not ready to do that until you have perfect equinity about coming back Or not because only

then have you reached the point that any of the challenges you could have on Earth or things yeah another day at the office I could do it a whole bunch more times but I don't really need to because I kind of got it down at this point until you reach that level of equinity about it a lots of times people say oh I'm not going to come back I'm too advanced I don't need to come back if you look behind the surface it's really a part of Them that I don't want to suffer anymore I

don't want to deal with this and the luciferic beings play it up like oh yeah you're so Advanced you don't need to come back but actually it often has a deep emotional root of I don't want to come back and deal with this anymore I don't want to I don't want this level of uing we have to be aware that again unless you've reached that level that any possible Challenge and physical Incarnation is something that Is like nothing to you then you need to keep coming back because that's the reason this world exists it's to

like put you through this development process to structure you through going through all these experiences so we need to be very very cautious about that people misestimating their real level of Spiritual Development and thinking oh yeah I can just leave I can go so they may choose to do so but that's going to be a Mistake and the luciferic beings are going to absolutely tell yeah yeah you don't need to come back but that will often if you actually examine the consequences doesn't work out well because they haven't fully developed their organs of spiritual perception

not only have they not developed their core independent self and all the facets to be a beautiful Jewel for the cosmos later on while kind of facets are not fully developed There's also the aspect that they didn't spend enough time here to do the practices structure the subtle body so that they've developed all their organs of spiritual perception so now when they're reborn into Spirit they don't have full visual Clairvoyance they don't have full auditory clear audience you know there's all of these higher aspects they would need to be fully present rather than crippled in

the greater spiritual world that they have not Developed far enough and this becomes a horrible trick for some people just just their emotional bias say I want to get out of here but no it that will not work out for you so again these are things that contextually are just not well understood today about why we would choose to come back even though this can be painful and unpleasant at times so that's one thing I wanted to bring up related to this topic yes for a true Boda zater to come back is a huge sacrifice

God bless him uh but most of us to be honest we're not at that point uh we have so much more we need to learn so much more we need to develop into all kinds of things that we need to experience and to open ourselves up to experience that was another part of the New Testament versus Old Testament in the Old Testament do something wrong God will punish and kill you New Testament God appreciates the prodigal son who Went out and experienced everything they could possibly experience in Earthly life even though some of it was

considered to be oh that's not good the fact that they experienced everything when they came back to the father in the prodical sun Parable they were appreciated more than the sun who never went out and experienced anything so I'll leave you with this one idea then we have to be very careful about having a caricatured idea of Spiritual Development that is linked to what in uh the rosac crucian work is called premature purification premature purification is where you start not experiencing everything you could experience in the world you don't work through all of your emotional

sexual whatever and you just like I'm going to just clean and purify everything right now get up to a very high state of spiritual attainment and you can do that and you'll develop some higher States Through this but the problem is when you get put in certain situations because you didn't fully work through your adolescent conflicts in your emotional body and your sexual development or whatever else it's going to come out as a pathology and we found that in Spades for example the 1960s when the Indian gurus began to come to the US so many

of them were authentically very Advanced and had all types of citas and powers and abilities and they could do Transmissions no question about that but we shouldn't have the naive idea this because a person has some level of Spiritual Development that they're 100% perfect it doesn't work that way and so we then found that some of the teachers that were coming over from the East had done premature purification yes they had developed some parts of their structure very very Advanced levels but they started to sexually manipulate their students one after another because they Had not

properly worked through their emotional body their sexual forces all those types of things so I want to leave that with people too as part of a realistic estimation of how far Advanced are we on the path it doesn't mean oh well stop all experience and exploration of Earthly life to try to like get there as fast as possible you're going to get there through experience everything in Earthly life When Things Fall away naturally you no longer have any Attraction to it you've worked through it then yeah you're ready to move on but until you have

experienced it and moved through it you probably need to invest a little more time in your prodigal son or daughter path to to get to that state so that's what I would leave you with today for any of those that are inclined like me checking out ves.org one of the hardest things looking at the smus board of courses that are available to you you have truly dedicated so much of your Life to this work Robert um I I I have well I have to it's my pleasure to thank you for today's conversation and yet it's

it's not just today's conversation you know by the sounds of this conversation it's this lifetimes work but it's also multiple lifetimes work like yeah you for what you're standing for what you're sharing and just so abundantly sharing with us and for me personally just just the freedom within which it's not the dogmas aren't Attached to the wisdom and the knowledge is just it's beyond refreshing it's it's incredibly inspiring and inviting um yeah I highly encourage people to check out ves.org and man thank you so much Robert for just sharing yourself so abundantly here with us

today there is so much left to be asked I've got questions around sits NS your definition of the impulse what's going on in the gizer and the point there and more about Ibrahim kareim so maybe if you you'd Grace us again another time potentially that would be a blessing but this was absolutely incredible thank you so much for sharing yourself here with us today well thank you so much I've really enjoyed it I'd be happy to come back to get deeper into these topics I've really enjoyed the exchange and uh like I say when people

come to the website they often see there's a lot of different things there but I'd always try to simplify it that if you want to work on The spiritual science aspect start with essential teachings and practices of spiritual science if you want to start on the vibration path then one of the things I often recommend to people is to do our online course in Egyptian biogeometry the foundation training this opens up whole vast new worlds for people and they're really good entry points for a lot of the more advanced Explorations in different directions including more

advanced levels of Biogeometry it's interesting that you mentioned that with Dr Kareem talking about that because we're actually bringing him to North America later this year which is a very rare event offer even more advanced things so we have the foundation and advanced trainings online which prepare people for for understanding what this is really about so again thank you so much for having me today I really enjoyed it and I look forward to being with you in the future Thank you so much really appreciate it thank you hey there inspired Soul you made it all

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