first question do do you consider yourself someone who made uh more mistakes than the opposite of course yes you know at the end of the day building a startup is a journey of failures right so so you know you go into this journey and you believe that you know everything but the reality is that you try something new and no one knows right and so you try try one thing and it doesn't work you try another thing and it doesn't work you keep on trying multiple things until you find the one thing that does work
this journey of failure is so dramatic there are so many mistakes so many failures that you're are making throughout the journey and the most important part is that you get up right every time that you fall every time that you make a mistake you go back and fix it and move forward and uh if you realize that um building a startup is a journey of failures then there are two immediate conclusion right first one is that if you're afraid to fail in reality you already failed because you're not going to try Albert Aon used to
say that if you haven't failed that because you haven't tried new things before if you're going to try new things you will fail the second one is that you want to fail fast because the faster that you fail you still have plenty of time to try another attempt another version of the product another goto Market approach another attempt to make it successful and the more attempts that you have you've simply increased the likelihood of being successful because you only need it to work once M once you figure that out then it's done until you get
there a lot of mistakes but when you when you talk about failures and I had a plenty of failures also in my life what can you say uh that is deeper and maybe more technical about failures because do you think we we should expose ourselves to all kinds of failures or are there some of the failures we must be like very afraid and should not go close to these kind of failures that maybe takes us out of the game is there any measurement of risk you use when you are thinking about trying something new even
though you can fail on that so um you know people will go into the entrepreneurship Journey when their passion for change is greater than the fear of failure and the alternative cost whatever the alternative cost is right and this is really important because um you want to be passionate about what you're doing you need you want to fall in love with uh with the idea with the value that you are going to create um and then you are less afraid then you are actually going to do that now if there is one thing that I
would like uh parents to teach their children teach them to fail because this is how they're going to discover what makes them happy MH at the end of the day parents want only one thing for their children to be happy to be happy if they're not selfish right yeah because if they are selfish the idea is not to make the kids happy but to be close you know but thank you so much for sharing this uh and you when you're talking about how old are you right now 59 59 so when did you start your
entrepreneurship Journey um in year 2000 when I was 35 but I started ways when I was 42 um and uh you know my first startup that I was part of was doing mobile email back in year 2000 2000 and turns out to be unsuccessful because of the timing maybe or because of the because um you know we thought that we had the right approach but then um um Blackberry came out and had a completely different approach and their approach was better than us mhm and understood so you but you started uh on your entrepreneurship with
30 35 30 and what did you did you do from the 30s to the 42 so um the early phase of my career I was a software development software developer engineer software engineer and I was doing that um um mostly at a company called Converse technology so um you might not remember but long time ago we used to have voicemail that uh um when you get a call that was answering the call in your behalf and commerce was the leading uh of that space um and um um and I started my career there I as
a software developer and then I moved to marketing and product and business and so forth Flav austo CL Pao G Philip spritzer Christina fore [Music]
