so this lecture comes from 1963 and it's called Esau Jacob and Israel and for clarity sake we're going to focus on Esau and Jacob which are really two personifications of certain perceptions that we hold or types of awarenesses that we have they're personified in the story but really they're not people like you and I are people and you can read countless interpretations of this story there are many that you can read and they all in my opinion fail miserably at missing the mark of what it really means and I think Neville in my opinion just
he understands the story better than anyone I've ever read before and so if you don't know the story let me just go over it briefly it's very simple story but it's a Eternal story meaning it's always happening within us um but it's simply personified as a story and so the story goes like this it's a woman named Rebecca and a man named Isaac Isaac is blind but they have a have two children she gives birth to two children and they're two sons that are given birth to and they're born at the same time but the
first son's name is Esau that's born first is born with red hair the second son that comes after him is called Jacob and he's smooth skinn but Jacob was holding on to the heel of Esau so they're connected but Esau comes first the reason why that's important is because since he's the first born he's given the birthright he's given the inheritance the blessing well Rebecca didn't like that because Rebecca loved Jacob more than Esau and Rebecca wanted Jacob to have the blessing and as time passed Isaac was the father was going to pass away he
he set up an agreement with Esau to he told him go get go hunting and go gra gather some food for me and when you come back I'll give you your blessing Rebecca overheard this agreement and decided to devise a plan for Jacob to get that blessing and what she decided to do since he was with smooth skin she was going to put hair over his skin to appear like Esau but Isaac is blind remember and so she tells Jacob go in there and go talk to your father and get the blessing and so he
walks into the room and Isaac asks is that you Esau and he says yes it's me he said well you sound like Jacob but come here let me feel you and then he feels the you know I guess in the sense it would be fake hair he feels the hair on him he says you sound like Jacob but you feel like Esau and so he basically was deceived and thought that okay well it must be Esau so he goes fine I'll give you the blessing he gives it to him and then Esau comes in and
realizes that he wasn't given the blessing it was given to Jacob but Jacob and Rebecca deceived Isaac and Isaac basically says I already gave the blessing away there's nothing I can do about it it's it's a done deal and so that's the story now if you read it on its surface level you're going to think it's not true and it's silly but it's actually practical and it's a story that exists within us we are we are Rebecca we are Isaac we are the blind Isaac we are Jacob and Esau now Neville goes into the story
or into the interpretation by basically claiming that we we you and I are familiar already with Esau we already know who Esau is Esau is the outer man he he describes it as Esau being the outer man and Jacob being the inner man now Esau is what everyone is everyone is aware of Esau so if like if someone judges solely after the senses they're Esau if they worship false gods on the outside they're Esau they are in the state of Esau they are being Esau essentially scripturally they're being Esau they um only solely focus on
on the outside that's Esau and so when people when I'm talking to people and or someone is deep in entrenched in desire I'm speaking to Esau essentially like I understand I'm speaking to a person and I understand they have their own personality and their own ideas but essentially I'm speaking to Esau and Neville is asking us to to practice or use Jacob and that's the goal is to gather practice of Jacob not many people Everyone might be aware of Esau but not many people are aware of Jacob now Jacob is the inner man the one
who goes beyond our senses and our reason and can sort of mimic the outside within us you ever have a dream that feels so real well what why does it feel real because it mimicked the flesh it mimicked the outside it mimicked the hair in a sense it feels real and so when we close our eyes we become blind just like Isaac to our worlds we send Esau hunting we send him our awareness of our outside away from us and we deceive ourselves into being who we want to be it's really like a fooling like
Neville even said in the lecture like well how well can I fool myself into being what I want to be um and as Blake said a fool who persists in his folly becomes wise and so how really how can I fool myself how much can I fool myself into being what I want to be you know that that's practicing Jacob and he gives an example one of the examples he gives is that there was a a man who was an an engineer and he wanted to work at a different company and this company was going
to pay him I think at the time $220,000 more now at the time that was a lot of money in our time that's not we know that's not a lot of money but in his time that was a lot of money and he told uh Neville told him well why don't you know do you know where you would want to work what building he said yeah I do know he goes okay do you know like the room he says yes I know exactly what floor I would work on he goes okay so then why don't
you imagine yourself simply taking your hat off and putting it on the hat rack taking your jacket off and putting it on the on the the coat rack and sit at your desk and just simply just simply do that and just make make it natural he was he really emphasized the idea of making it natural so although it might feel at times like you might feel elated that you have what you want when you persist in it it starts to feel natural that you have this it's very important that we reach a level of natural
naturalness because we experience life naturally and that would be using Jacob to mimic Esau to mimic the outside that's essentially what's happening here and and the man did that and he ended up up receiving that job and now Neville said could he have asked for more money he go I think so I think he could have but he wanted 20 more, thousand that's what he got and he imagined just having it that's all he would do right if if he actually had it what would he do he would he goes I so the guy imagined
himself on the elevator he imagined walking off the elevator he imagined himself just taking his hat off very simple stuff that you otherwise would normally do if you had the thing that's Jacob and then he ended up passing away five years later and Neville Neville said yeah but he he discovered Jacob and he practiced Jacob now that's really Neville's point is that he's trying to get you to discover who Jacob is and again it's a it's who am I really worshiping here is that Esau or Jacob what am I really bowing down to am I
bowing down to what I've imagined which would be Jacob or am I bowing down to Esau now it's good to personify these things because it brings a level of clarity I understand in our time we sort of say things like 3D and 4D I don't tend to use those terms um because I love the illustration of it all I love the personification of things it just it makes more sense to me when I see it that way when I sort of add a human element to it a personhood to it and then I represent those
characters to myself and I see how it's a drama that's actually unfolding within us within all of us we're always in a sense battling in between these two things and it says that in in in Rebecca's womb these two were sort of fighting each other now that's us we Becca within ourselves we sort of fight with these two perceptions one is outside and one is inside but the but Jacob again is a deceiver it's self-persuasion not other persuasion I'm persuading myself that I am what I want to be I'm persuading myself only I'm Isaac I'm
not persuading something outside of me I'm not trying to convince them outside I'm convincing myself that is what we're doing and so although you might know the existence of Esau as we all do we've become aware now of a different existence called Jacob a different being if you will called Jacob and when you decide to believe in what you've imagined you're exercising Jacob and you live upon it you you speak within yourself from the premise that it is so you don't have to do anything to make it so you imagine as if it is so
if imagining creates reality I should it'd be wise for me to imagine from the premise of fulfilled desire not from a premise of hoping my desire will be fulfilled I speak as if it already is Within Myself and I do that as a as a I do that to deceive myself to convince myself to persuade myself and I say that because you'll find many people trying to persuade the outside trying to manipulate it so they can actually convince themselves of something within that's Esau Esau's always focused on the outside the always the external Esau says
there's four months until Harvest Esau says no shorts until May that's what Esau says and I just say good luck to Esau I just I try to remove Esau from my mind good luck to him I don't I'm not going to worship that anymore I'm not going to follow that you know who am I serving am I serving Esau am I serving Jacob am I serving my imagination and following it or am I obeying the orders of Esau and telling me that I'm not this or I'm not that or I must have this first what
rule that I follow am I following on the outside that I think I have to follow that clearly Jacob doesn't have to follow it I can just deceive myself persuade myself Jacob goes beyond Esau Jacob goes beyond my and it says that eventually the younger will serve the older and so in this case Esau was the older Jacob was the younger and the younger was going to the older was going to serve the younger so if this is happening within me eventually my imagination or my Jacob Within Me will be served the external will eventually
start to serve my internal and then he goes on again to explain that horrific looking being inside of him that was all of his combined thoughts of violence of evil this is Neville speaking that he said that there's a being within him that was the personification of everything that he thought that was unlovely and then he also saw a noble being that was every thought that he thought in a loving way that was a combined personification of everything that he thought that was good and Noble and he addressed it by showing compassion to he called
it Esau which was this hairy looking being and then it disappeared he he he gained all his energy back from it now I've had my I've had my experience differently with that being but the way I addressed it was a bit differently and so I recently had an experience where I didn't see this hairy figure I saw I saw almost a spider-like figure with a human head on it and it was horrid and I could tell it was all the things I could actually feel from it this is the embodiment of all the things I
think that aren't lovely like I could just tell by looking at it and I tried to speak to it within myself I said I told it to go away I told it you're not welcome here and nothing it didn't matter like no matter what I said to it it didn't matter and then I had this sudden urge to stare right at it I stared right at it and I said I'm not going to be afraid of it anymore and then I enlarged myself and the moment I enlarged myself that's when it disappeared and I gained
all my energy back so I went a different route I didn't show it compassion but I enlarged myself that was the way I needed to do it so a bit different but take what you will from that the next time you sort of find yourself terrified on the inside enlarge yourself and it will make that whatever thought you're having whatever whatever being that is scaring you it will become so tiny in comparison and then it goes away and so no matter how many times I pled with it or I was pleading with it just please
go away please go it didn't it didn't matter it was there and I didn't show it compassion but I did enlarge myself and that's what made it disappear and I haven't felt the same since you feel rejuvenated as Neville says you don't you realize that all the times you're worrying and you're fearing and you're creating something out of envy and hatred it takes all the energy from you you don't realize it while you're doing it you're indulging in it you don't realize it but you're you're feeding this monstrous thing within you but but the moment
you stop fearing it you stop feeding it you just stop you stop fearing things within you you start whatever you're afraid of you face it completely you look right at it and you don't feel afraid of it you refuse to be scared of things within you and that's how you conquer your fears within that's how you do it it's not you don't have to you don't have to go on stage to overcome a fear you don't have to fall out of a plane to overcome a fear you don't have to do any of that the
fear is within you it's something you face you face a dead- on as I did and you enlarge yourself you stop feeling so tiny in front of it and so I'm actually going to end it here on this video um and the reason why I don't speak about Israel Israel is just Jacob as I said it's basically the physical man and then it's the psychological man and it's the spiritual man and these three eventually Esau is gone and then left is Jacob and then Jacob goes after God's Own Heart and gets transformed into Israel which
is the spiritual man but I don't want to get into that right now I just wanted to give um just kind of talk about this lecture it's again it's a personification of certain perceptions that we hold now you can have an inner perception that goes beyond your reason you do have this that's Jacob now exercise him try to put it him to the test if he is skilled at rearranging things put him to the test if he's a deceiver then let him deceive me into being what I want to be let's see if I become
it a fool who persists in his folly becomes wise as Blake said so let me persist in my Folly let the world think it's foolish but I'm going to envision myself I see myself inside myself already the thing I want to be do I believe that am I persuaded enough I'm not persuaded then let me keep persuading myself let me find a way to put hair on it and make it feel real to me what can I do inside of me that feels real that convinces me that I already am that thing for some reason
enlarging myself you know that's what made all my that's what made the fears kind of dwindle within me and so it was not necessarily an enemy it was just revealing to me myself so I wouldn't go to claim that that being was an was an enemy I didn't feel that I did feel like it was a part of me and it was a part of me that I've neglected and it was actually a part of me I was scared of I was really afraid of this part of me that I didn't know what to do
with it and I've thought that with forcing words upon it and trying to force it out it was going to work but and I didn't want to look at it I became frightened this happened before bedtime and instead of becoming frightened I decided to look right at it looked right at it and I enlarged myself and it it just dwindled it just went away and all the energy that I that was in that thing came back to me but it was almost like it was cleansed that's what I say it felt like a like a
clean energy back and I was able to now use this energy to create something different and so don't don't go around thinking that you don't have this thing within you this story is within all of us that monstrous being is in a sense an eternal being that is within every single person it's the embodiment of all that we think that is violent unlovely things that we know aren't good that we've indulged in it's it all goes somewhere and it personifies itself where embodies himself in a being but don't be afraid of it it's just it's
not its fault as Neville said it's what we've given birth to within us it's not its fault and so you that's why Neville that's why Neville showed compassion to it he he saw it as it was birth from him because we're Rebecca remember don't think of it as anything physical it's all happening within the individual at all times I don't care where you're at in in life you just be at a restaurant eating food you're practicing in this in this story in this eternal drama while you're eating the food you're imagining something you're deceiving yourself
in some way about something and a lot of the times it's just a story that you're telling yourself whether you think that story is true or not is up to you you don't have to think it's true you you can change the narrative you can change the script you are the director the actor and the writer within yourself there can't be another within you but that's all this is all these things are is the embodiment that's all Jacob is it's just the it's just the personification of the inner perspective perception if you will that goes
beyond your reason and clothes itself to appear like reality and that convinces you that it's real and you will if you practice it enough you will feel you will be able to touch things within yourself it will feel physically real and you have to ask yourself at that point that my imagination has the ability to mimic reality to a one toone degree it makes you question everything about reality but before you go there just start testing Jacob start testing this being within yourself and trust that it has the ways and means to execute it that's
what it's good at it's really not calling you to do it that's why Neville took all responsibility off himself he says it's not up to my it's not up to me to do it all I'm asked is to imagine it and so like that engineer he imagined himself simply taking his coat and putting on the coat rack simply working there that's what he wanted now you might not want that whatever it is you do want start to just do it naturally inside every day just do it naturally fall asleep naturally doing that thing and you'll
find yourself um naturally doing it in this world and it will feel like it would have happened anyway Neville says if you start to go down that path that thinking that everything's a coincidence and that things just would have happened anyways then you're going to stop exercising Jacob you're going to stop doing it because you've Fallen victim to this idea that everything's just so Random it's just a coincidence I don't believe in coincidence not after this and so so if I have things that are happening within me that or happening outside of me that I'm
totally unaware of why it's happening then I must be unaware of what I'm doing Within Myself and I have noticed at times I am unaware of what I'm doing Within Myself I'm totally there there are certain thoughts thought patterns certain paths that I go down in my mind that are so normal they're not good for me but they're so normal that I don't realize I'm even doing it until I realize I'm doing it and the moment I realize I'm doing it now I'm given a choice A New Path opens up and it's telling me do
you want to go down this path or do you want that path it's really just a trail in the woods which one am I going to take that's essentially what's happening every time I become aware of something you A New Path is formed and you decide to walk down it you're always walking within yourself where are you walking I don't know that's something you'd have to answer within you but I noticed that I was walking and I didn't even I was walking aimlessly at times I didn't even know where I was going inside myself I
was completely lost in my own thought completely lost in the world of imagination I didn't know where to go but the reason why I didn't know where to go is because I thought I couldn't have anything when I started to see I could have things in my own imagination when I realized I have ownership inside this place then it became kind of obvious what I should imagine but it wasn't until then I was sort of lost I didn't know what I wanted I didn't know what to imagine I didn't know how to imagine and after
reading Neville's work and practice and I've learned all those things and so there's not really an excuse for me anymore when I find myself in trouble inside or I find myself in trouble on the outside I have a I have to ask myself what am I imagining what am I doing that's why Blake opened up his poem and said the poem of Jerusalem oh powerful human words what have I said he's asking himself what did he say in the past cuz he doesn't remember and I don't remember at times what I have imagined and like
I said I don't even know sometimes while I'm while I'm even doing it I don't I won't be totally aware of what I'm doing but it's learning to tame this imagination learning to take I don't like to use the word control because control comes from fear but you should see it as when you go to imagine instead of trying to control your mind or control your imagination learn to guide it just like a horse you learn to guide it Let It Go but guide that's what I would recommend and so I'm I'm actually going to
end it here now and um like I said I'm going live tomorrow actually at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time so it's going to be for members and like I said I will do a public one in the future so keep a look out for that but thanks for listening
