Jehovah's Witness Gets OBLITERATED On The Trinity By Sam Shamoun [Debate]

well he you know I just I was watching you do your prayer you know you you sort of doing the Lord's Prayer then y um but then I notic that you added the Holy Spirit into it yep uh obviously in the original words prayer the you're not to really pray to the Holy Spirit In The Lord's Prayer when I end the name of the father's holy spirit because you'll find early on the practice of the Christians were to invoke the authority of the father son holy spirit so the real question is can you pray to

the Holy Spirit yeah well you can pray for Holy Spirit notice you dro the holy spirit is Danel pay attention to your words did you see what you did because the Jo you pray for Holy Spirit you didn't say the holy spirit because this is the programming you dropped the definite article you didn't say pray for the Holy Spirit and number two I didn't say pray for the Holy Spirit I said pray to the Holy Spirit yeah so can okay so can you pray to the Holy Spirit yes it's in 2 Corinthians 13:14 you know

what benediction invocation is I I'll bring up the ver you want me to use Jo Witness Bible or do you want me to use any Bible any like okay H benediction of vacation is this it's when you read the Epistles they'll begin by invoking let's say grace and peace to you from God the father and Lord Jesus Christ you're aware of that right that this is what Paul says in you know when he begins you're aware second of Timothy yeah okay he makes a clear distinction as well though yeah what that's what we believe Jesus

is not the father but you keep assuming that the father alone is Jehovah we'll get to that you're begging the question Jesus can be distinct from God the father and yet still be God just like Eve is distinct from Adam yet she's Adam we'll get there first let's establish that you're aware that when the Epistles are written they will invoke God upon the readers of the epistle and end it with a What's called the benediction you're aware of this or do I need to give you examples no I am aware of that yet okay so

then what do you do with 2 Corinthians 13:14 so here it is because this is now praying to Jesus God and the Holy Spirit here it is 2 Corinthians 13:14 the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and The Fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all that's a prayer you can read it in your Jovan's Bible they'll put the H ands lowercase and drop the article you're there he's invoking Jesus and God and the spirit for the recipients of the letter that the Lord will grant them favor or underserve

kindness as the Joe Witness Bible Enders it God will fill them with love and the Holy Spirit will cause them to have fellowship or share in communion with the spirit this is a prayer yeah so it's it's given so Jesus came to give us undeserved kindness that was that's not what I'm asking we're talking about the prayer see we got to stay focused on I know you want to go off tangent this is a prayer what do you do with the fact that the spirit is being prayed to with Jesus and God because you don't

pray to Jesus you pray in Jesus name and you definitely don't pray to the holy spirit so you're not like Paul off the top of my head I can't no uh the sharing of the Holy Spirit yeah sharing in to me to me to me that's saying we are sharing the hly like what does that mean sh isn't it the Holy Spirit what does that mean the Holy Spirit I believe it's called the comforter isn't it and know we're given this yeah so Jesus gives us the comforter to help us in if we go there

you're going to prove the Holy Spirit as a person so you're wrong he's not an active Force I understand what Jesus said because if you go to John 161 12-13 he says he that comforter will not speak on his own initiative he'll only speak what he hears how can an active Force hear and speak anything so it's going to cause you problems before we get there stay here this is a prayer he's praying to Jesus and God and the spirit why this is a prayer this is a benediction you don't pray to the spirit and

you don't even pray to Jesus but Paul did why if you are a true follower of Jesus like Paul was because you don't follow the habits of Paul I'll take your word for it at the minute no don't I'm sure you wouldn't lie so that's fine my friend don't take at the minute because yeah only at the minute because like I say I don't I'll be reading the whole thing I'll be I'll be here for like these are yeah just do a search on what's called benedictions benedictions is an invocation of blessing upon the recipients

it's like the ironic benediction in numbers 622 to 26 and yet here Paul does something you don't do as a jness he invokes Jesus and God and yet the Holy Spirit you don't invoke Jesus you pray to the father in Jesus name what do you believe about Jesus so I believe that Jesus has been given the name that's uh John 1711 it mentions that you know Jesus has been given the name what does that mean the father uh so to me that means you know he's been given it for a c period of time no

that's not because you're misunderstanding name so again you assume your interpretation when you're wrong given the name means that he's been authorized name can mean Authority that the father has authorized the son but that's not the Divine name per se because if you read John in context it says that Jesus is that Jehovah who came into the flesh that's in John 1 if you read verse 23 so he was not given the name he had the name Jehovah and he Jehovah became flesh so you're assuming too much in the way you're misreading these texts do

you have your Bible can you read John 123 who that John the Baptist is and who is he sent to prepare for he said I am a place of someone crying out in the wilderness make the way of Jehovah straight just as Isaiah the prophet said have you read the prophets in Isaiah whom John the Baptist was sent to prepare now okay now go to Isaiah 40 veres 3 to 5 to see who exactly John is sent to prepare for a voice of one calling out in the wilderness clear up the way of Jehovah make

a straight highway through the desert for our God let every Valley be raised up and every mountain and Hill be made low the rough ground must become level and the rugged ground of Valley play says the glory of Jehovah will be revealed and All Flesh will see it together okay for the M Jehovah has spoken yeah I don't mean to cat you off I apolog I just want you to play attention you see verse three the voice is saying prepare the way of Jehovah make a highway for our God so who's going to show up

Jehovah Our God yeah like I he's been given to me no see you just Twisted it no it doesn't say that it says Jehovah our God is coming so do you believe Jehovah Israel's God was given the name Jehovah by whom yeah so he he is the image of of God so you twisted it again where does the verse say the one coming is the image of God it says Jehovah Our God I mean how many more times I have to ask that where do you see image of God is coming one who's given the

name it says no prepare the way for Jehovah make a highway for our god Jehovah our God is coming what do you not see no but Jesus Is God In the Flesh we know that well I don't know my my my beef is not with the Jehovah Jesus Dynamic that that's not my that's not my um problem really my problem is with the Holy Spirit specific we'll get to the holy spirit so you admit Jesus is not simply given the name because that's a m reading John 1711 he is that Jehovah God Who Came In

the Flesh so we can get beyond that and we go to the Holy Spirit friend it says what it says yeah okay yeah yeah yeah okay well it does say he's been given the name in which you've given me the name means you've given me the authority your Authority because you've authorized me to do what I'm doing why are you twisting what in the word name means the name that it's given him if you look at the word an name can refer to Authority The Authority you have given me because the son does not act

independently from the Father the father authorizes the son you've misre John 1711 to mean something it doesn't mean he's always been Jehovah because Isaiah 40 says that Jesus is Jehovah Our God who's coming and Israel's God is Jehovah and no one gave him that name he's always had that name but if you want to move on at Holy Spirit I can so if the Holy Spirit was you know we needed this to be saved we had to say yes the holy spirit is a person why would it not say that in John 173 it yet

you need to know does it to you need to know Jesus why does it have to know Jesus why can't it be in Mark 328 to30 to show you if you blasting the Holy Spirit you'll never be forgiven how do you commit the unforgivable sin against a force say I'm going to butcher you now go to Mark 328 to30 why does it have to be in John 17 why can't it be in Mark 328 to30 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what sins they commit

and what Blas blasphemies they speak but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin okay now go Toad the parallel Matthew 12 3132 because I'm going to turn it against you now for this reason I say to you every sort of sin and blasphemy will be for given men but the blasphemy against the spirit it will not be forgiven no I I see what you're saying I don't see again I don't see how I'm being argument how can you commit the unforgivable sin against something that's not God

the only sin that can ever be forgiven is against God your creator so you don't get it because you're too busy trying to argue how do you commit the unforgivable sin against something that's not God the only unforgivable sin can be committed against God what do you not see and what reading in front of your eyes so now let me play your game why didn't Jesus say the unforgivable sin is to commit against the only true God who's the father see this is the game you're playing with me you're taking one verse out of context

but not trying to read the Bible as a whole that's not how you do biblical ex aesus if you believe the Bible's consistent you interpret scripture and light of scripture here you have a verse that says blaspheming the holy spirit is the unforgivable sin but according to you the holy spirit is not Jehovah so how can you commit the unforgivable sin against something that's not Jehovah if it's God's Act of for then you would not you would offend and slander an act of force because if you read the context which you didn't blasphemy slander Ur

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