Yeah. >> Hey Charlie, how's it going? >> Um, so I wanted to speak to you about sex and gender.
I think we have a disagreement there. Um, I feel like we can agree on sex. There are male, female, you're either born male, female, or in some cases some instances um there's a case of interex persons.
But I think our disagreement lays with um your interpretation or your take on gender and how it's directly linked to sex. And I just kind of want to see where um what what are your what what's like what's your thoughts on gender or what are your um what's your take because I'm not quite sure. I'm not really caught up on what you've >> Sure.
>> So uh gender is a madeup concept. Do you know who made it up? >> Who made it up?
>> Guy by the name of John Money in the 1960s. And >> why did he make it up? No, I was gonna say, wouldn't technically anything be a madeup concept?
>> No, sex is not made up. You can look at sex. XX and XY chromosomes are not made up.
>> Are not made up. >> Yeah, I I agree with that. I think we're on the same page about sex.
>> So, sex is observing. >> Gender is creating something new. Totally different.
We observe nature. Gender is creating a new thing out of thin air that has no applicability to our discourse or dialogue. So, there are zero genders, two sexes, infinite personalities.
We recognize that people have different personalities. We don't think you should get a different definition on the forms you fill out or how people talk to you, recognize you, or how you are treated. >> So when it comes to look when it comes to defining or looking at and seeing what or who is a man or a woman, it only refers to sex like if they have a >> correct.
Correct. >> And it's worked really well for all of humanity. We decided to screw it up the last 20 years.
But what about with like societal implications with the way uh what's it called? Gender um with the way with the with the way gender is expressed. Um you could for example um you could have a um you could be a trans if let me take this for example.
If I was transgender um say I was born female but with the way I present myself um if I shave my mustache um I I shave my mustache I dress like a male. When I'm walking down the street, you would think I'm a What would you think I am? >> What I think is irrelevant.
You can disguise yourself to look something you are not. I can I can wear blackface. Do I become black?
>> No. No. Of course.
>> Oh, so wait, hold on. If a then a man dresses like a woman, why does he become a woman? >> It's not that he becomes a woman.
It's he's he's seen and he's in he's >> Why should he be recognized as something that he's not? >> It's not that he needs to It's not that they need to be recognized. >> Oh, no.
That's what it's all about. It's about recognizing a delusion. You can dress however you wish.
You can act however you wish, but I'm not going to recognize your lie. In fact, you could get in trouble for mispronouncing in the state of California. We're teaching our kids you must pronoun correct pronoun correctly.
And you actually have to certify the delusion. So again, I say if I wear blackface and I don't become black, why does a man who wear a dress become a woman? >> Um, it's it's not it I feel like it's not up for someone I don't I just I feel like it's not up for you to decide.
I think it's up for the individual and I think the way they the way they express themselves through, you know, through either >> the way they express themselves through their what's it called? Through their their through their appeal, through their attire. I think that's more indicative of how >> Okay, then let's play let's play this out.
If everyone can just choose however they want, should biological men who are born as a man be able to compete in female sports? I'm asking. >> Um, >> no.
I don't believe that biological men should be in women's sports. >> And God bless you for saying that cuz that's at So here's another question. Should biological men who identify as women be able to go into women's locker rooms?
>> Can you repeat that one more time? >> Biological man. So he has a >> Okay.
>> And he says he's a woman. Should he be allowed to go into female locker rooms? >> I mean No, we have on campus we have all we have all gender restrooms on campus where males and females are >> Yeah, I think that's a terrible idea.
Right. So cuz cuz ma male female distinctions are critically important. It's how society is structured.
>> Yeah. But we have these shared spaces and there hasn't been any sort of issues or I don't think I think the major consensus surrounding it is that people are actually enjoy the what's it called the the all gender bathrooms. >> Let's talk about locker rooms though.
Do you think women would enjoy undressing next to a a fully unclothed man? >> No, I don't I don't think so. I don't think >> Okay.
So, then we should prohibit that. So, we agree. So, and then finally, do you think that a young 15year-old here in California, a young boy who thinks he is a girl, should he be allowed to chop his off?
>> Can you Can you say that again from the start? >> 15year-old boy in California, he thinks he's transgender. Should he be allowed to go chop his parts off?
Um, should he be allowed? I think I think that's a conversation for him and his medical and his doctor and his family. I mean, I'm not It's not It's not my It's not my job to >> Should uh Should 15y olds be allowed to get tattoos?
>> Should 15-year-olds be allowed to get tattoos? I No. >> So, you could But you can't get a tattoo.
>> I mean, I mean, with I mean, I think that's I don't think that's really that comparative. Well, they're both irreversible, right? Actually, one matters a lot more for human flourishing than the other.
>> No, I would I would definitely agree. That's it's a very what's it called? It's a very lifealtering process and I think it requires a lot of time and um it requires a lot of time and it shouldn't be something that should be just jumped into.
Um I just think that's something for an individual and their their family and their doctors to decide and not for um society or the state the state. >> Last question. Most important question.
What is a woman [Applause] Um, a woman, you know it, you know it when you see it. You know, >> it's like if I look, she looks like a woman, she looks like a woman, she looks like a woman, she looks like a woman. It's the way it's the way you express yourself.
So, like all these, it's the way you express yourself. >> So, if you if you if you basically womanhood is a costume. >> I'm not saying that.
No. >> No, it is. Yeah.
If you're able to wear the right stuff and just assume the identity, you can appropriate womanhood. Is that correct? >> No.
>> Okay. Is uh Caitlyn Jenner a woman? >> Yes.
>> Why? >> Why is she a woman? >> What chromosomes does Caitlyn Jenner have?
>> Um I mean I don't I think her chromosomes don't have to deal with her gender. Like I think that's where the disagreement lies is that I >> Yeah. again.
So this is where you are playing into this narrative that gender exists. We reject that paradigm completely because gender has led us to this place that your own personal self-expression matters to your core identity. And again, that means nothing.
Infinite personalities, no genders, two sexes, and we must live in reality, not in the delusions of the heads of people that want us to accommodate their fantasy.
