so much I need to discuss with you guys at home tonight thank you very much for joining me alongside me tonight till 7 my panel I've got Zia youf the chairman of Reform UK and Scarlet Maguire former labor advisor good evening to both of you you're very welcome as are reach and every one of you you know the driller you can get in touch with me all the usual ways you can email me gbvs gbs.edu where did we start this evening where do you ever look at the news everyone and just like look at it
all and just sometimes throw your like your head in your hands your hands in the air and just go what on Earth is going on uh in this country apparently though it's not just this country because k d you know by now he's been in Germany he's been in Paris the meeting of the minds apparently it's not just talking about things like trade deals though oh no it's talking about things like the rise of I quote the far right and things like populism nationalism as well apparently K Dharma is very worried about this indeed uh
he wants to work with some of the uh European Progressive parties to take the fight to the quote far right parties so what do we make to all of this then Z Yousef let me start with you your thoughts well look this is turning out to be a dystopian Karma labor government uh worse than any of us could have ever feared let's get some something clear about the the term far right according to K starm and his labor government anyone to the right of KL Marx and Lenin um are considered far right I mean if
if thinking that we should have secure borders uh if if believing that violent criminals should be in jail uh if believing that uh we should have a coherent immigration policy uh if believing that we should be prioritizing you know the government of the United Kingdom should put citizens of the United Kingdom ahead of citizens foreign countries um if these are now to be considered far right then God help us all the reality is what we're seeing in Europe is uh a large number of people in the European populace waking up to the fact that totally
uncontrolled Mass migration uh catastrophic population explosion and being incapable to build infrastructure to deal with it um seeing cultures um like German culture like French culture uh essentially dissipate at the hands of such enormous numbers of people coming into these countries that is why these countries populations are saying we've had enough and are voting not for the sort of left leftist governments um that we have seen SC I just I mean let's let's let's okay let's begin K Arma believes that violent criminals should be in jail that's what he did after the riots so let's
kill that one he is only after announcing he would release tens of thousands of criminals from prison who were not violent right the people who are being released early are not violent the violent there are many examples of violent criminals people many examples the violent people that we saw on television were jailed and some were some were they you know they were jailed for months or they were jailed for years there was absolutely no question and they went straight to jail there was no question about what he did on we saw on television you're absolutely
right what about the ones that the media do not put on television because they're inconvenient and don't follow the narrative those violent Criminal have been released to make for very specific category you haven't actually given me violent criminals who have been the people who are being released because there are quite a lot of people in jail who are not violent and hold on I'll give you one example there was a there was a man who um who who murdered somebody with a machete who uh whose sentence was cut short and released that was just one
example and there are many many more such examples you're talking about so I was just about to pipe in with this example uh there was a young lad called Gordon uh G he uh was attacked he was 14 uh he was attacked with machetes he was very sadly killed uh well one of those kids that was involved in that killing he is going to be released early the mother of Gordon the teenager that was uh killed she's spoken out about this uh she's deeply distraught by the fact that he's going to be uh released early
because of overcrowding so that's just one example right there but there are very few and they have been trying to put G from none to very few when when you say quite a serious no when you say but you you said that K Arma doesn't believe in jailing violent criminals because that's what his actions demonstrate and his actions after the riots actually showed that he was can I say that that I mean to to pretend that KIA sta is sort of some sort of marxist when he talks about the far right right we're talking in
France about Marine Le Pen's uh party we're talking about uh in Germany the afd right and here we're talking about the people who are writing and actually before the riots what Kama said is the way to deal with these sort this sort of politics is to deliver and that's what we have to do because actually what most people in Britain what they want is fairness hang on when you're talking about the far rights you just said it's people like that that have been rioting so for example the primary school child that the police seem to
what looked to me like some kind of weird Dawn raid that they took great pride in broadcast broadcasting everywhere is that who you're calling far right then this Prim no I'm talking about the leaders I'm I mean I think a lot of people got got got uh got worked up in the rights the the right so hang on because I'm just trying to ask the thing because I do think it's important that we all are on the same page about we're talking about so we're not talking about the 11-year-old children that were rioting we're talking
about the leaders uh of those riots so you're talking about the people in hair Hills as well you're calling those people far riot now the people in hair I mean it was a completely different sort of thing wasn't it they were riers they were RI they flipped over a police car they flipped over a police car they torched a bus and the police ran away the difference we know that all sorts of people Riot and we know that the left have rioted I am I was specifically talking about I mean actually I was specifically talking
about the people who decide who thinking that a Muslim might have killed those children when to try and set fire to a mosque I would call that far right and and do you know who started that do you know who the gentleman was who was charged now with cyber terrorism um for actually being the person who started off that entire vicious uh false rumor online was actually a Pakistani man as hea right right well I think anybody who say who starts my point is there's this narrative to which all of these data points must fit
and your point saying that Karma has been incredibly um firm in wanting to put violent criminals in jail with regards to the quote unquote far right Riot and by the way let me just be really clear I am the Reform Party absolutely condemn violence in all of its forms and those are let me be clear in that let me finish my point let me finish my point with respect in that instance for those particular people Karma and this government um and indeed appears to be the judicial system are perfectly happy to throw the book at
them performative U BBC uh live streamed uh trials for people from other groups totally the opposite the police essentially fled the scene in Hair Hills leaving the populist offend for themselves a police car was flipped uh a a bus was torched other cars were torched it was a it it was a godsend and very fortunate that there weren't serious injuries or murders in that situation you see the way that the police um have uh policed for example the noting Hill Carnival I mean the reports of over 50 police officers were attacked uh in during that
Festival the reports coming back from the police read more like something out of a a report from a war zone than they read um a festival so there's a totally different way that our police and that the government and indeed now our judicial system are approaching these different people and that's the fundamental point that I'm making well I mean and and look at the just stop oil people who've been jailed for 5 years why why were they jailed for years they were jailed for 5 years for ECOT terrorism basically why what what did they do
holding the judge do that they were holding people up right they were dis they were disrupting what I'm saying no no no because we need to be clear about this because they didn't they weren't just jailed for holding people up that's not what happened at the group that you're talking about which included people like Roger helam they were given such uh huge uh sentences because what they conspired to do so this was not a random spontaneous Act of let's just hold that fell up at the lights for half an hour to chant my just up
oil statement what this was it was uh deliberate planned conspiracy to try and bring mwar networks to an absolute hole that would have affected the lives of millions of people food supply and hang on those people they were already on bail for similar um you know what you call holding people up so these guys had form uh they were mercely out on bail they had convictions previously some of them as long as my arm so that's why they got such harsh convictions that's very different to a 15-year-old or a uh whatever kid with uh often
completely unblemished records being chucked in The Slammer so I do just want to make that distinction but anyway carry on what but you talk about two-tier fleeting what I'm saying is is is the just stop oil people are not on the right okay and and they got jailed that's what I'm saying is is that everybody's getting it right can I Qui what about the fell that chucked that stuff at Nigel farage he's got a suspended sentence he got a suspended sentence for throwing for throwing a cup of cement at one of our political leaders during
an during a general election campaign and I will tell you some who works with Nigel every single day there is no braver politician in this country and anyone less Brave I can tell you would have withdrawn themselves a long time ago from the political land ape in this country it is it's actually quite terrifying how the judicial system this actually isn't policing um this is actually the judicial system which in some ways is even more of a concern because it's it's obviously independent the judicial system has essentially said that our political leaders are no longer
off limits and that I think is a terrifying thing given the violence that has been inflicted on political leaders in this country in recent times it's always been like that I mean the person the person who threw an egg at John Prescott did not get jailed right I mean nobody on right sorry I I feel like I'm cutting in all the time and I don't want to we're in a political time where apparently this new government is desperate they are falling over themselves uh to tell a lesson to people teach a lesson to people that
you can't go around behaving like this so you've got these FastTrack super charge uh very quick route into prison for people that are doing wrong when it suits the government this is a political climate where apparently you want to dissuade people from doing wrong so if you're going to attack a a politician that is in my book uh defin of doing something wrong so whilst we're in this current uh kind of moment it's very different to how it was all those years ago when John Prescott punched that fell with the egg yeah but different then
isn't it what I'm say is is of course I condemn uh the and I didn't know it was cement I thought somebody threw a milkshake at no well that was a separate that was a separate situation I mean of course and and and I've been here and I've condemned it you don't think that person should have gone to jail you don't think you should serve time in jail I don't know I mean that's the Judiciary I mean it's it's it's the Jud I'm asking your opinion I I I actually try not to have opinions on
things that I don't know a lot about I I have I don't somebody I mean it's a pretty straightforward case no no I this is this is I you're telling me what happened I would so you didn't see it I didn't see it I I didn't see it I saw the milkshake and the next morning I was on here and I said that it's absolutely wrong because actually I said niga fraj had no idea what was in that milkshake and and people might might think it's funny but it's not most people will know what we're
talking about that coffee cup that was the one on the open top bus uh where the fellow went into that kind of concealed area it was like fenced off or whatever and he picked that stuff out the b he lobbed it at farage on that bus that's what we're talking about anyway I've gone off topic K starma my point is K starma keeps rabbiting on about the so-called fire Riot but no one even seems to be able to Define what it is and even just in your definition we've gone from you defined the far right
as people that rioted then you said okay it's not the kids it's the lead then when I've put you out the hair Hills riots is far right then you say no they're not far right then when you say you mean the farri people are the ones that are targeting the mosque and then he points out that it was actually some random fellow in Pakistan uh that spread all those rumors then you don't think he who didn't Target the mosque I mean hang on it's to have very long arms if he's sitting in Pakistan isn't it
to be able to Target a MOS in the UK I'm saying is is I think that that people people who go to a mosque to try and set it on fire which is what happened right I I I mean it's disgraceful it's criminal Behavior I mean that that that is clear there no one at this table who doesn't think that that is an abhorrent thing to do and that those people should go to jail there's no doubt about that but do you not think people who commit murder with machetes should also go to jail and
not be released early of at a time when we seem to have people running around wielding machetes in this country almost every week of course I do do you think the Reform Party are far right no I don't think they were they are far right actually I don't I don't I I don't think the Reform Party of fell right but I don't agree with them it's fair enough well they you go but what I mean we're only picking one what I'm saying is I also don't think that K starma or the labor party are far
left and that's what you were trying to do is you were saying that he condemns anybody to the right of KL marks I mean I mean k stalmer would barely call himself a socialist what do you think BL me uh ponder that one k Republic wouldn't even call himself a socialist what Rel to that
