[Music] [Music] [Music] for for [Music] [Music] you know when I first started it was kind of confusing but then I got really good at it and I think uh especially with something like what the passion that I did the written word was very important was you know you got all those books the Bible you know you've got the the different gospels and stuff that people are quite familiar with half the time they didn't even need to read the subtitles they could look at it and know what was going on there's a lot of there was
a lot of opposition to it and uh I don't know it's I think if you ever hit on that subject matter you're going to get get people going because it's big subject matter and it's like uh you know and my contention is you know when I was making it it was like you're making this film and the idea was that we're all responsible for this that his sacrifice was For All Mankind and that for all all our ills and all all the things in our fallen nature it was a Redemption so you know and I
believe that you know I but I actually am you know I was born into a Catholic Family I'm very Christian in my beliefs you know so I do actually believe this stuff to the full so depicting that was an honor but it was also yeah you got the you got the Daylights beat out of you for it even I do when I see it's like you know when it's not fair or I think it's off like uh you know when they appoint some Cardinal in some dasis and he's been covering up for like people who
are child molest you know like theod M orinal or those kind of guys the institution it was instituted by Christ you know but that doesn't mean that it can't be flawed and there's a school of thought that says it isn't what it purports to be anymore it's it's moved away from what it was intended to be and what it is uh almost there's a guy called um Bishop vgo who says it's a counterfeit parallel Church and it's it's running an entirely different religion I actually don't I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church there was an
event that happened in the in the 60s first there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John the 23rd Pope right in 1958 I was 2 years old right um he was elected and there was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave you know usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the the chimneys to tell you we have a pope you know have must pop him you know and the white smoke came out and everybody cheered and they went crazy and then about a half an hour later black
smoke came out that never in history has that happened that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times many times maybe maybe it would take two weeks but never was it known that white smoke came out then black smoke came out that somebody was elected and that maybe something else happened and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in and um of course the man who came out was a man called Angelo ronali and he was John the 23d now it's
interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another Pope ever before in history this man took the name of a known anti-pop from the 15th century that o deedi put in there as his own man I'll get you on the chair and then everything will be Rosy you know everything will go good for business you know whatever he was putting him in there for some corrupt reason but um and there have been corrupt men in that place before I mean there's Alexander V 6 and Julius II the 6us the fourth I
mean so he took the name of a known anti-pop from the fifth century who actually said yes I'm an anti-pop sorry I'm not the right guy cuz there was more than one and he confessed to being and he wanted to you know Square things with with the Almighty I guess so he confessed to being an anti-pop and uh so he took the same name as that guy John the 23rd so it's interesting don't you think I mean I why would he do that uh I think it's all part and parcel of the same corruption that
crept in and when you asked what's the difference between prev Vatican 2 so Vatican 2 happened and of course they they took the church and they they reformed formed it and they changed things in it and it didn't necessarily agree with everything that went before it and up to that point yeah you could find it agreed with itself but all of a sudden you got something else to the point where now I mean I mean we got a pope that brought a a South American Idol into the church to worship he did the pcha mama
he bought the South and he yeah it's kind of a weasel worded thing of like oh all religions are just as good as one another but you know if that's his contention so you can't do that and uh for me that's a departure from what you know that's called a apostasy it's a falling away from it and the Very nature of apostasy means that you have to be part of it to fall away from it mhm so it's an inside job ah look I think we're we're we're looking at a world where and this is
the in the next film I'm going to do I'm going to try and Tackle this [Music] question that there are big Realms spiritual Realms there's good there's evil and they are slugging it out for the souls of mankind and my question is why are we even important little old flawed Humanity why are we important in that process where the the big Realms are slugging it out over us and I think there's bigger things at play here and institutions that purport to touch on the Divine are necessarily going to be affected by that slugfest that's going
on between good and evil I could be wrong but I think inside it they have things from like uh when Moses was like mana and you know stuff like that that they they managed to keep from like for example they they say that [Music] uh that golgatha the place where the crucifixion happened it's called golgatha the place of the skull because that's where Adam's head is buried and and it it tells you it's kind of in the same area where Abraham almost sacrifices Isaac so it's interesting and it's uh and and the cross when in
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