A Spiritual Awakening with the David Hawkins Consciousness Scale W/ Clayten Stedmann #315

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and he also happens to be a master kinesiologist clayton's also become a friend and someone whose commitment to truth and spiritual advancement is truly Inspiring in this episode we focus on the map of consciousness as created by dr david hawkins and the spiritual power or lack thereof of various beliefs teachings people places and things to give you some context and you're going to hear more about this in the conversation on a logarithmic scale of one to a thousand in the human realm one thousand Is the highest level which has been achieved by only a few

masters like jesus and the buddha the critical level on this scale is the number 200 which is the level of integrity so if a person teaching book music film or even a place falls below 200 on the scale it's best avoided the level of consciousness or degree of truth of anything can be determined Using muscle testing or kinesiology which to me is perhaps the single most important discovery of all time no joke in fact it's so important that many people can't even imagine that it's true so today's show is dedicated to this incredible discovery and

why it's more relevant than ever also i want to let you know that next week's episode number 316 will feature clayton and his business partner jeffrey And that will be a deep dive exploration into their amazing technology known as flfe or focus life force energy it's an energy-based system that mitigates emf and raises the consciousness of any location such as your home or office now i've had this service on in my home even on the business luke story inc and my cell phone for a couple months and it is truly astonishing in fact the house

that i'm renting in Sedona right now where i'm recording has the service turned on and at this point i wouldn't stay anywhere for any extended period of time without turning on the flfe service on that location that's how awesome it is now by the end of this conversation you're probably going to be curious so i'm just going to get this out of the way if you want to check out flfe they have a really cool 15-day Free trial you don't even have to put in your credit card or anything you don't have to cancel it

you just try it out if you like it you go back in and sign up that's pretty rad if you want to check it out go to flfe.net luke that's flfe dotnet slash luke get your 15 day free trial i think it's pretty cool and definitely worth checking out see if you can feel the difference and Report back to me afterward okay let's get into what we talk about in this conversation what first drew clayton to the work of dr david hawkins his experience being in david hawkins presence the map or scale of consciousness and

why it's one of the most useful tools for spiritually oriented people clayton's harrowing journey learning how to do calibrations on his own using muscle testing Why so many people have difficulty learning this modality the downside of someone knowing their own level of consciousness testing the validity or usefulness of supplements or various biohacks or health practices then we talk about testing the various emf protection devices like shungite and all the different technologies that i promote and have in my home by the way clayton tested the various Emf devices that i promote and feature in my store

and all but one of them passed as legit so i of course removed that one from the site when it's all said and done i think that the flfe service is probably the best emf protection currently available although i still use all the other devices in my home and when i travel just because why not we also talk about the level of Consciousness in the 10 different areas of one's life as he used in his coaching practice then clayton shares some consciousness calibrations for tons of interesting things like current events politics world leaders spiritual teachers

teaching cities states countries and many other interesting and relevant facts about the current state of humanity it's pretty wild So make sure you stay until the end as it gets really interesting when clayton starts to share some of the levels that he's calibrated alright so here we go with one of my all-time favorite episodes with clayton stedman enjoy the show and remember to share with a friend [Music] [Applause] [Music] clayton stedman welcome to the Lifestyles podcast man good to see you thank you luke thanks for having me absolutely i am so excited for this conversation

you know we had our preliminary call the other day which was a blast and oftentimes when i do a preliminary call with someone as a little warm-up we end up having such a great time that i think man that could have just been the podcast so i'm glad we got to get to know one Another and not start here cold today i think what i'd like to start with is just because a lot of the conversation today is going to be about the map of consciousness the work of david r hawkins how you've continued that

work and applied it so maybe we'll just start at the beginning how did you first find the work of dr david r hawkins well back in 1995 I got into this emerging profession called coaching and previous to that i'd spent uh 11 years being very active in eastern based philosophy so i when i got into coaching i i started um i specialize in business as a spiritual path and in 2004 you know i had a pretty substantial practice And i had five different clients tell me about the dr david hawkins guy so you know universe

tells you once maybe you miss it twice maybe you missed it you know after three times you start to pay attention after the fifth person it's like okay i got to read this book so i went and got uh far versus fourth and i read the book and it was like wow i see why people Recommended it and uh remember the first time i read it i thought if this is true this changes everything you know if people can figure out how to measure truth like this it just will change your world so that was

how i got introduced to dr david hawkins through you know friends and clients they just kept you know you know books go around and people talk to each other Yeah it was a similar story with me i think there were uh a few people that i knew personally but then there were also other teachers like wayne dyer and people like that that i was listening to at the time and that book just seemed to drop in over and over again and when i first read it and i haven't read it in a long time because

i went on to study a lot of his Other work as you have but it was a bit dry it was kind of hard for me to dig into but when he started making correlations between different spiritual practices and he gave so much emphasis to the 12 steps as a teacher he really got my attention because my subjective experience had been by just applying a few very simple Spiritual principles in my life it had been completely transformed beyond whatever i could do myself and i always found that to be such a mysterious curiosity and then

he really unpacked how it works you know and so that locked me in and once i made that connection it was just like okay and then i just became obsessed i mean i listened to i don't know hundreds of hours of audio And watched all the videos went to see him speak in sedona and it's just i mean any chance i could get i would be absorbing his content and uh so i think that's why i was drawn to the work you're doing with flfe and and the you know interested in what we're going to

talk about today with your coaching experience in the past and all that i want to ask you what was it like is like you you were able to go see dr Hawkins in person what was it like to be in a room with him while he was teaching and to go up on stage and get to look him in the eyes was there a felt kind of shaktipat happening there yeah it was uh i remember i was standing in the audience in l.a and i got there like i was i think i was the fourth

person in line i got there like three hours before the seminar openings i went to get in the front row And i was there with some people you've also interviewed her friends of mine wade and wade and matt from uh by optimizers and and katrine was there some other friends uh claude and so when the opportunity came up for questions wade and i got right in line now wade is the five-time all-natural canadian bodybuilding champion of canada i think it's five times gosh it's at least three Anyway he's very fit so i'm standing behind wait

in line and we're like there's hundreds of people we got maybe halfway into the line other people knew about the quest the q a we didn't it was our first time so i'm standing behind wade and i'm like it's everything i can do just to stand up you know and i couldn't figure out what it was And i i waved in front of me so i tapped him on the shoulder i said wait is it me man is there some kind of energy coming off the stage that's just like so strong we can hardly keep

ourselves standing the way he turned around he kind of had this like big look in his face and i think he said something like i feel like i'm standing in a solar wind storm of light you know penetrating my body you know wait talks like that right Yeah it was like it's like thank god it's not me but the energy coming off dr hawkins at that time was just extraordinary uh so it's like standing in like i don't know if you've ever been in a wind storm in the in this in sandstorm when the wind

is just like you know it's hitting you and getting your eyes and it's getting in everything and it's you know it starts to Actually hurt at some uh velocity of wind it felt like that it was a solar wind storm yeah yeah it's uh i you know as i was telling you the other day i'll just recount the story but when the two times when i went to see him speak one was in uh one was in sedona and then one i think his last talk i think it was in i don't know cottonwood or

prescott somewhere around around sedona And uh the last the first time i definitely got hit by a couple waves of that presence where you know my eyes would well up and it's just experience i don't even it's ineffable really it's just there's an energy running through your body and the second time which ended up being his last public talk he and his wife and partner and test subject susan were on stage and the whole talk was about love And um that time in my life just relationships and things like that and around love as uh

activated and demonstrated through a romantic relationship was challenging and um i was there with a buddy of mine and i just cried the whole time you know it was such an incredible experience not only to feel the energy that he had been gifted with or cultivated but also the interaction Between he and susan and just the immense unconditional deep love that they had built together and it was just being in the energy field of that and witnessing that as such a healthy high vibrational relationship at least you know you never know what goes on behind

the scenes but you know by all accounts sitting there it was palpable and uh it really left an impression on Me and there was a real pivot in my life at that time especially in that area of having see like ah that's the target i have no idea how to get there literally clueless but it was um there was an imprint made and there there have been a few other experiences like that with great teachers as well and so i feel very fortunate to have you know had those couple live Experiences where i was able

to really sense what a high vibrational field feels like uh for those people that are less or familiar with the work or not at all familiar can you give us a little summary of who david hawkins was and you know some of his basic teachings and then we'll jump into the map of consciousness and how you've taken that further and applied it Sure so dr david hawkins was a psychologist at a very large practice in new york city i think it was the largest in the states at the time um and at one point he

discovered that kinesiology was a non-local phenomena so that means that use of kinesiology is quite common in nutrition well it was quite common in the fields of nutrition i think it was dr george goodheart that Originated that work he was one of the pioneers and it's also used extensively now in chiropractic i don't know what what it was back then in terms of the chiropractic background so it's basically muscle testing it's based upon the principle that your body is connected to divinity at all times and that if you form the Proper inquiries you can bypass

the mind's filter and go straight and connect straight to divinity in such a way that your body will respond positively to truth and negatively to falsehood so the non-local phenomena part was that you should be able to test me from la i'm up in nelson british columbia canada you can test me just as well as you can test a supplement right in front of you that was the leak that he made in his Work [Music] and from there he started doing i think it took him a few years to just absorb that realization and then

from there he went into doing research with kinesiology with different groups of people and his first book which most of us don't talk much about is the qualitative and quantitative analysis the the scientific kind of approach To kinesiology then he came out with power versus force and many many other subsequent books i think he wrote published nine when he was alive and two after he passed actually nine plus the qualitative quantitative analysis so muscle testing uh he created a scale from one to infinity the human realm is one to a thousand uh the angelic realm

is 500 up Archangels are 50 000 and up um the scale is logarithmic which is really important so 202 is you know is 10 times less powerful than 2 and then 203 on the scale on the scale 20 is shame 50 is grief 100 is fear 150 is anger 181 90's pride 200's courage 300's willingness 400 reason 500's love 600 p 700 is the beginning of Enlightenment a thousand is the highest level of consciousness that a human being can sustain there is a certain number of microwatts of electricity associated with each level of consciousness and

that calculation can be found in the back of power versus force just around the consciousness compensation chart so there's a few more delineations in terms of the numbers But that's is there anything else you think i should add luke is that really good in fact i have i have the map in front of me here for those watching you can download this it's the map of consciousness by by david r hawkins and those of you watching on instagram luke story facebook at mr luke story you can see it too but now it's like wow you

nailed it i've tried to explain this to people Over the years and i'm like yeah there's the one down at the bottom is the one thing you know it gets a little big but uh the thing i found interesting about the scale is how it correlates to different teachings and especially to the teachings of the 12 steps you know each of the the steps for those who aren't familiar they're a practice that you apply to your life or even do in a Sequential manner in order to pull yourself or allow yourself rather to be pulled

out of addictive patterns and whatnot and all of those 12-step groups are based on that teaching but they really start at the bottom of the scale because you you hit a bottom with you know you overeat you over sex you over drink you over shop whatever it is you overcode dependent And then you come in at the level of shame you know which is a really low base level which is at the bottom oh right and then it goes up to guilt you start to feel guilty about the way you're living then there's um apathy

where you know it's like god is my life even worth saving and then so on grieve fear but then comes desire right and then you're pissed off about what your life has become Then your pride kicks in and you think god you know like i can't live like this i'm such a loser and then the critical level of 200 is where courage comes in that says you know what i'm gonna muster up the courage to face what my life has become and then so on into neutrality willingness acceptance reason and all of those others but

perhaps you could give people the uh the context of the critical level of 200 of consciousness in that under 200 Would be more negative emotions and a negative impact on on all life etc and then moving past 200 into the higher states of love etc that might be a great way to kind of set up the frame yeah it's a really important distinction and explanation of the the tipping point if you want to call it at 200 without that it's it's not a complete understanding of the map So at some point in in life we

become positive instead of uh parasitic i suppose there's one way to say it or or there's a jump between non-integrity and integrity and hawkins work that's uh that's 200 on the map of consciousness there are many other maps of consciousness out there there's different ones that that people have been exposed to the perennial Philosophy is quite uh thorough as well and uh a lot of people know ken wilber's work he seems to be a a real proponent of models i think his book the brief history of everything has one of the better compilations of models

so people looking to compare the hawkins map to other models they can look at that so yeah so so 200 is a major threshold so the the what typically happens when people have A breakthrough in their integrity if you're below 200 in your overall consciousness or even in a part of your life and there's many ways to kind of look at the different areas of life you you won't just go from 200 from 199 to 201 you'll go from 199 to 230 or 240. there's usually a big jump because of the tension that comes from

making the change of into integrity So that's a very important distinction in the map and the other big threshold is 500 going from reason to love what hawkins talks about in one of his hundreds and hundreds of hours of videos is that there are actually little i call them base camps and that you know i could use the meta for getting to a thousand it's like climbing mount everest so there's different base camps at every 50 points along in the hawkins map he doesn't talk about that much but there's a there's a little threshold so

if you're calibrating people's level of consciousness in multiple parts of their life if they have a lot of numbers at 250 300 400 that if there's a lot of a lot of calibrations at a 50-point integer then they're usually getting ready to Make a major jump because they're gathering their resources and that so things kind of get static in a bunch of areas until the energy builds that's a little more geek geeky than just the 2 and 500 clayton we can go super hard down the geeky path okay this podcast because this is i mean

hopefully the audience is willing to go with us down Uh but you know after all we're the ones sitting here so let's do what's most fun uh one thing i think is really interesting and i've never seen anyone do this is the document you sent me where you did a case study of hawkins and you calibrated and we're going to talk about how you you know figured out how to do these calibrations also which i found to be exceedingly difficult personally But you calibrated dr hawkins on this scale beginning with his birthday in 1927 and

he was born at 799 which is extremely high [Music] is it not the highest you can be born at by the way if we're going to go to geekdom here is 800. so the highest the bean can come in to a human body is 800 and it takes a a very high vessel a very high person to Hold that energy so in his last incarnation as best as i can tell hawkins came in at at 8 50. he was at 850 when he left and i think he refers to that in some places and there's

probably plus or minus a point there luke i mean i'm not saying my my level of accuracy as that is you know is that you know succinct but um I don't know if he talks about the highest level you can come in at as a as a being but you know i've done we talked about this i've done 7.2 million calibrations now so you when you do that many calibrations you go down lots of rabbit holes and you get curious about things right i mean you know dude how long did it take you to accurately

learn how to do the calibrations because when i was at the Height of my hawkins obsession which has been many years and especially there was a period of about five years where i was just absorbed as i said i would try to do the muscle testing and you know i would see that my intention was pure that i was unattached from the outcome i mean i did all the basic things that he would talk about and it was really difficult for me a to find Test subjects that didn't also have an invested will in the

outcome and also just finding people around me that had the patience to be like hey stand there and hold this thing in mind or even even i would try to do it just in in the more simple way that you describe often chiropractors or health practitioners do where you hold a book against your solar plexus or a vitamin in your hand or a piece of fruit or Whatever it is i mean i see people every once in a while at the health food store going around testing themselves on different foods and supplements and i just

got frustrated you know because it's like i couldn't get repeatable um answers and i just thought i don't know maybe you know i'm just not cut out for this i feel like i'm over 200 and i have integrity or at least to the ability to be honest with Myself about what my intention for doing this is i'm quite certain that i did in fact but still couldn't nail it so how did you get to the point you know where you became first interested in putting that much effort in and then end up doing these millions

of calibrations yeah well um when i came across the book i thought well if this is true this changes Everything and um it was 2004 when i first read par versus force my father had just passed over it was he passed over in february i think i got the book and june or july first thing i did was i talked to two friends of mine uh one was an 89 year old chiropractor who was still practicing and was considering making a career change into Landscaping he was just that kind of guy an extraordinary man and

another friend was a was a scientist he'd spent 25 years in in the biology field so he had an extraordinary sense of procedure process and protocol and my friend who was the chiropractor he understood the body really well i think kinesiology is a body-based phenomena so we talked about the book and we Thought you know we had some friends who tried to figure it out and they couldn't figure it out so we said well let's see what we can do and we made a commitment to i think at the time was at least we wanted

to give it at least six months one night a week so the scientist he um started organizing the procedure the process in the protocols and we got together one night a week we Had a i had a special little briefcase with envelopes you know and we started off with the level of consciousness of the chapters of power versus force we assumed that they were you know accurate and we spent six months driving ourselves crazy it was just so frustrating it was like god i don't think we're ever going to get this to work yeah it

was the guy who was most Accurate was the scientist because he would say this guess he understood control so he would say the same thing the same way every time and the chiropractor and i we would just change the words once in a while we thought oh you know one word it's not a big deal so we had some success sometimes and what happened was that around christmas of 2004 we'd taken a break over the holidays and we didn't know if We're going to continue because like well how long do you beat your head again

so well you know it's not working i read in the first edition of power versus force it was page 117 paragraph 2 and it says you might find it interesting to calibrate the level of consciousness of your inquiries and when i read that something went off in my head it was like it it reminded me that the scientist Said the same things every time and he'd wrote down some of his inquiries so i what what it really meant to me was that he mentioned that in his book in that on that page but he didn't

put that in his protocols so why didn't he put in his protocols that you should write down your inquiries and make sure you say them the same way every time Now later on he talks about that as being important but what that what i assumed from that point was that there was pieces missing in the protocols and that's why people weren't able to figure it out and they found that that's true so i'll give you another example of in the beginning of power versus no the beginning of truth versus falsehood That's the big thick one

with all the charts in it he says he couldn't release the book due to the conditions in the world at the time something to that effect so what that meant to me was that the last protocol that you should the last calibration you should you should check is you know it is in the highest and best interest of all creation to release this information To the person or the people in the way that i'm holding in mind or that i have written down right and that wasn't his protocols so it's like okay so then i

assumed that the protocols were incomplete and that's why people couldn't get it to work you said no there's a persistence thing as well so then i had my coaching practice and i thought you know if i can If i can create an assessment where i can measure people's level of conscious in different parts of the life and then measure the level of appropriateness of different tools to use on those areas i could really i could really help people and so i spent the next five years i i read each book twelve times i did two

point seven five million calibrations then just listening Reading i mean power versus force is somewhat pared down and then one of the books that came out after he died uh letting go surrender real easy read i mean difficult to accept in your life perhaps but easy read but the ones in between i mean one of his books um reality versus subjectivity that book took me about two two to three years to read Because i could only digest a sentence or two at a time in order to i mean i could read it like you could

read the newspaper but read it in terms of spiritual study where i could take in the principles and the truth behind it and integrate it as i'm reading it these books are very dense and his his way of writing i think because he's just you know a scholar and an intellectual well he's a rare A rare breed of someone who's highly intellectual highly intelligent and also deeply spiritual so that combination i think makes his reading a little bit inaccessible uh for many and i'm a decent reader but to say that you read all his all

of his books that many times i mean that's for anyone that's not read his stuff i'm just going to give you props that's a deep level of commitment because it's not they're not an easy Read especially you know the ones like i said in the middle those big thick ones i mean the eye and i oh dude yeah i mean they're dense man i hate about that though and i have to have to say i give my you know my um my dedication of my own a little pat on the back you know after really

working through that book for a period of time every once in a while go back to Some of those books and i read those paragraphs that used to be just so mind-blowing to me and it's kind of like oh yeah duh because now they've they've become an interface with which i operate in the world and so it's it's no longer a head knowledge but more so a practical just way of being and i think that's a really good sign and maybe a recommendation for people You know is read a spiritual book put it on the

shelf for a couple years after you've applied it and go back and see if it becomes much more elementary to you i think that's a good way to gauge one's progress you know anyway i totally cut you off um so so you're you know you're working for about six months you've got a few friends you start Integrating these this model into your coaching and then expand it um perhaps you could explain for people you know i'm struggling here a bit in because i know what we're talking about and you know what could you maybe just

explain a little bit more of the kinesiology part you know you mentioned how typically and historically it would be used to test Something in the physical presence like a book a supplement etc versus hawkins huge discovery which was it could be used as a non-local phenomenon wherein the body is um you know a meter of sorts or an antenna of sorts that's tapping into consciousness and truth or falsehood can be discerned based on the body's reaction could you maybe just kind of create your picture of that from Your point of understanding right now [Music] i

guess a couple things i just wanted to say about reading the books i've read the books and made notes and gone back and swore i didn't read that before it was my writing and my underlining so i get that phenomena and i read those books from the point of view of looking for missing protocols Now i read them you know i learned a lot but i read them for that reason because i was specifically trying to reverse engineer the protocols it took me five years 2.75 million calibrations how to log your calibrations as you were

going to get that count yeah well um i'm still averaging about 30 000 a month which is almost a thousand a day we just do a lot of testing in flfe And when you're doing kinesiology so the first protocol is you check your polarity so if you check your polarity that's one calibration you then you check if you have permission to make the inquiry so then you have to have an inquiry already made so that's another calibration um and then let's say you're checking someone's level of consciousness Um you know this person's level of conscious

on average or the pre previous week is above 200 above 300 above 400. let's say it's above 500 you get yes and you have 600 no so you split it at 550. you know say that then you go to 525 they get to know see they're they're at 520 so you just go back and forth so there's like 10 calibrations there so it doesn't take long To get a lot of calibrations under your belt yeah we got my business partner in nfl fe jeff he's done i think 1.2 million calibrations but pretty well taught him

everything we do we do testing every morning we test all the new people on the free trial at flfv uh there's probably like you know we spend an hour in the morning it's probably 150 200 calibrations we do Just make sure everything is working well check all the variables so just to take some of the the mystery out of how you can do that many calibrations when i got into it and i said if i can get this to work i'm going to set my life up so i have to do this because this is

so profound to me so that's why i created these these assessments because you know I would have to make my living doing testings because if you're doing it all the time you stay sharp right you do it every day and you do hundreds a day or and you you're you know the language and you're in the field it's like i think you're practicing your guitar earlier right you know practice right yeah yeah absolutely uh would you explain The physical procedure of having someone hold their arm up versus the little o-ring that you can do with

your own fingers without another person for people that aren't familiar with kinesiology or muscle testing as a modality sure yeah i didn't want to avoid your question i just wanted to take some of the that's good how is it possible well you know Yeah well it makes sense actually because if you if you consider how many thoughts you have during one day and if you just turn that thought into an inquiry that you test for and then you do the test i mean it's like you'd be blasting through them in no time just based on

the fact that all you have to do is think a sentence do something real quick which you're about to describe and then that's one you know what i mean Or you know within one inquires you said there's there's could be multiple oh yeah done just to fine-tune the validity of the outcome right you could spend hours getting the inquiry right and then use that inquiry over and over again for your whole life you know um you could actually do a couple hundred calibrations just shopping for groceries as you said earlier just going around testing the

Food you do a couple hundred just in there no problem so most people don't think of it that way like you know chiropractors my chiropractor is a kinesiologist he has kinesiology and he probably does three 400 a day just with patients you know testing the muscle strength getting it you know making an adjustment testing if it's stronger i'll give you those at least that many So just make it part of your day-to-day life and those numbers can add up pretty quick right so explain the physical mechanics and then the perhaps at least according to your

perception or understanding the non-physical realm of where the answers are coming from using the body as a tuning fork of sorts sure So kinesiology the the technology calibrates at about 600 i think as a research tool that calibrates around 650 so when you start doing kinesiology you are starting to deal with a technology that calibrates really high and starts to align you to that well that's like that's worth saying um dr hawkins body of work calibrates at 9.98 Um so it doesn't mean everything calibrates at 998 but the totality of it does and so one

of the things that we started doing in the study in the first study group was we would put hawkins on the background because this field was so strong that we would just have it off just to help align us with the field that was a little tip that's cool that yeah explains why i Used to uh i used to put his tapes on and go to sleep and i would just have them on on on repeat all night long for a couple years yeah i mean if you would just keep the books around neighbor 88

at the level of conscious of the books they'll fill your home with energy you know and uh and yeah do you play if you play the the uh his web his lectures in the background even with the Sound off that will radiate positive energy into your house wow yeah it reminded me of something that i was doing and then i whatever i fell out of the habit of it and forgive me for um interrupting again i'm just so excited about this particular topic but when he re i'm sure you've heard his reading of the 91st

psalm oh yeah he reads it dude i I used to listen oh yeah stop just over and over again or when i was going into a meditation or if i was hitting a really trying time in life or going through some stress or difficulty in a relationship work etc i just put that on and it's just like whoa it almost brings tears to your eyes it's so powerful just that simple prayer and the way he reads it And then even some of the music that he would play at his events i tracked down that music

on spotify kyrie yeah and and i and i actually jacked his playlist and when i'm not doing workshops now because of the the covid thing um which i want to calibrate with you but uh i would play the kyrie and and a lot of the songs that he would play in his events and If it did nothing for the people there which i'm sure it did it brought me into the energy field that i was experienced going to see him speak or just listening to his talks it was just that that visceral whole being memory

of that field and was able to bring me into that so that i could be of most service to the people in the workshop just really powerful stuff the kind of reason by robert gass in Case anybody doesn't know calibrated 700 i have one cd in my jeep that's just that's all i just oh really yeah yeah you know other people get kind of tired of it but it takes me back you know i just heard that when i walked into the you know the first well i walked in i probably wasn't playing because i

was there really early but i really associate that song with being with with being with uh Doc you know yeah yeah and uh ben bigelow this guy has a i guess ben bigelow on youtube he has a a recording of hawkins doing the home and he's sound he's mixed it in with a few things you know so i just had that plane sometimes in the background just oh yeah just takes me away and then he had the one guy who was kind of his assistant who did that Buddhist chant uh oh yeah remember that cat

who was kind of his his right-hand man there for a while god i can see him come to me and he would do that buddhist chant and it went on and on forever and i'm like how did this learn this prayer like because he must have studied for years just to get that one down big commitment yeah what is that guy's name he would Fucking's funeral you know or his his memorial service whatever it was and that guy was there i was like oh that's the guy i've been listening to do that prayer yeah it'll

come to us um okay so so get you know like someone holds their arm up someone does the ring with their fingers give us the physical mechanics of the kinesiology so there's different ways to learn muscle testing like any new skill there's lots Of there's a there's an applied kinesiology association at the united states of america and canada and other places in the world so you can go there and learn testing in a certain context just to give people some places they can go you can learn it from theta healers you can learn it from

different modalities so i have a Good friend as a theta healer and i took her course and got you know certified as a tester and and that modality when i learned uh wilmy when i was working with the scientist he looked that he had read the book and he said the best way he thought to learn it was to have a subject an auditor and a calibrator so the calibrator would form the inquiry they would make the inquiry they would Say it out loud and the auditor would audit how it was being said once we

got past having it the same way this is when we learned the the fastest so that because it's very easy to start to express the enquiry so the inquiry is the declarative statement it's not a question and the reason that declarative statements are so imp Are the key is that the universe is actually a positive place and when you're talking to the universe if you're talking in a positive declarative statement you have better access that's kind of one of those things that you usually get into after a couple million calibrations because you're wondering why you're

able to do this with an inquiry and not a question sorry with a yeah with a calibrated Statement which they call an inquiry rather than a question so you have your calibrators performing the inquiry the auditor's auditing the statement and the subject is the person's arm you push down so the person would hold their arm down the calibre would set permission to make this inquiry you know for the highest good level of conscious of this chapter in the book is About 200 yes above 500. so um that's the way we we studied it and that

was the rigor of the scientist and then you would switch roles right so everybody gets a chance to practice of course you have to have three pers three people that can test and not everybody can test only about 20 of the population could test when power versus force was written back in Uh i think it was 86 he wrote it um actually no i can't remember i'm saying 86 was when the world went over 200 uh well it went over 200 i'm not sure when he wrote power versus force i could pull up my copy

but so we practiced in a triad and then we would go to blind testing the blind testing is where the calibrator would hold the inquiry in his mind and not state it Out loud so you wouldn't have the auditing function but you would have a better control because the subject could not be biased to the stated inquiry so you eliminate placebo in that method yeah you reduce placebo significantly i mean i was with a scientist who was like you know 25 years with um one of the largest chemical companies in the world so he was

Ultra rigorous and uh he would probably want to talk about placebo control for longer than we would want to hear it but um yeah so placebo is a big effect so that's the way that i learned it or practiced it and then i do a lot of self-testing and then i do a lot of batch testing so for self-testing you can just use your two fingers you know again say i permission to make This inquiry yes well firstly check your polarity hold a positive image in mind um you can hold doc hawkins in mind you

could hold jesus buddha krishna you know a lot of people hold a saint or something in mind and you have to test your polarity first and then you have to have an inquiry that's integris and forming the perfect question took me Yeah that took me about five years as well because you have to have all the variables figured out the protocols to manage your your own to manage your own state and that leads to you'd be able to you refine how to make the perfect inquiry so it's you know it's kind of technical i don't

want to get too far down the rabbit hole but um i think that's a good observation or a Good explanation of it and and for people listening i think it's like i want to impress upon them the the magnitude of this discovery and why i was so excited to find you after hawkins passed it's like well okay that's great he gave us all these answers to these really important questions that could have a huge impact on our current state as a species our future our individual Spiritual evolution but then once he was gone i was

like well that's all we get there's no more testing because no one can seem to figure it out and so what we're talking about here people is and and and many people have this ability not just clayton um he just did the due diligence and put in the time to figure out what we're talking about is to be able to take any question you have about Anything in the universe throughout all time and discern whether or not that is true or false and this is the great folly of the human experiences our inability to discern

truth from falsehood this is where all suffering originates right and so to me it was just like ah when i couldn't figure out how to do it it was so frustrating not that i tried that hard i mean i went on for a Few weeks or months kind of trying to cobble together a you know a method and i just moved on to other things but to me it's like even just to know someone that has the ability to do this with some degree of accuracy and reliability is such a huge gift and so uh

you know i'm so thankful that you put in that work and then also that you've which is we're gonna do another podcast tomorrow for those listening Uh next week's show is going to be based on like the culmination of clayton's work with his partner jeff uh in the flfe which is we'll get into a bit here but it's a whole we needed two podcasts to cover it all but this is such an important discovery uh and to the point when i found you and i apologize in advance and in retrospect but i was like you

got To calibrate all my emf tools because i don't want to have you know a lot of them are not provable in a linear sense because they work energetically and so i was by the way thank you you know i sent um your wife a list of you know the five or six products i have on my site and said tell me if these are legit because if they're not i'm gonna take them off my site and i think all but one of them passed the Test and the other one wasn't negative it just didn't

have like it didn't have a meaningful enough effect to you know promote it in my opinion but i was really excited to hear that my discernment um had led me to you know getting some really solid products to recommend to people but beyond that i mean there's such such a far-reaching influence that this could have On our life and it's just uh it's just incredible and i hope that more people will follow suit and you know discover hawkins work and the work that you're doing and you know imagine if if everyone knew someone in their

periphery that had the ability to do this that they could ask questions like hey should i it serves the highest good for me to stay in this relationship No the level of consciousness of this potential business partner is over 200 no done i mean you can just like cut your way through the weeds of life with such speed i just think it would save people so much suffering i want i don't want to go back to something on that note so thank you for summarizing kind of the physical practice and how you fine-tuned it and

refined it but going back to the life of hawkins You know i found it so fascinating as i said the case study that you did on him and i just want to refer back to something here that's so interesting so he was born in a rarefied state at 799 and then i've always wondered about the period in which he became an atheist and a drug addict and an alcoholic and you know how far down he went and there was a period it looks like around From 15 years old to 35 or so years old that

he did in fact drop down to 400 which is still relatively high in terms of a functioning human it's hard for me to imagine a practicing alcoholic being above 200 because it just necessitates such selfishness and and um dishonesty and all the things that come along with the degradation of your character when you're addicted to drugs Typically and then he had a near-death experience at 38 years old his second where he popped from 450 back up to 850. so there's a couple curiosities there but furthermore what i found to be really interesting was that um

at the end of his life going to uh 84 years old in 2011 through the rest of 2011 at 999.4 which is you know Like avatar status then in 2012 you know 85 86 years old he dropped down to 600 540 and then uh and then 500 and i i wondered if you did any and not that that's bad 500 is still you're pretty high functioning spiritual being but as compared to avatar status uh you know it's a bit lower especially on the logarithmic scale have you done any research as to Why his level went

down near his death well if i did i can't remember i've got a lot of bankers boxes full of yellow notepads that i haven't typed up because i used to do a lot research on yellow notepads and blue pen because i was told that helps you memorize it better i just assumed it was because he was getting really old and frail right right you know and he had a lot of diseases which he covers in Healing and recovery and he overcame a tremendous amount of physical ailments right um so that was my i can't remember

anything else other than that was my assumption it's just age yeah that makes sense i mean from his teachings i gleaned that one of the purposes of keeping your body healthy and your nervous system strong and this would definitely be an alignment with my kundalini yoga Practice which is all about strengthening your nervous system and having a container that's able to withstand the spiritual downloads that you're getting in meditation and whatnot but he would talk about how the physical body needed to be of a certain strength in order to contain that energy and one of

the things i found interesting [Music] was when students would ask about why there weren't more female avatars mystics high spiritual teachers on record or at least ones that he had calibrated and i remember him testing something to the effect that it had nothing to do with gender it just had to do with the physical body's capacity to hold energy and that's why over the great expanse of Time more male bodies had been chosen by creation god etc to be vehicles it's not about a man or woman thing it's just about the physical body being able

to to handle it and that would that would definitely align with what you said as he was old and frail the spiritual energy that he once was able to carry might have been too strong for his body to be able to handle Yeah i mean i went down the road of looking at the male nervous system and the female nervous system and i figured that was a no-win solution so i just let that go uh there there are uh sure you know there are certainly some extraordinarily high women on the planet right now um there's

a couple in india ahma bhagavan we talked from the oneness movement He was quite ill and was it looked like he was going to pass and now he's coming back but her level of consciousness is uh she's the highest woman on the planet at this time as far as i know she's at around 860 862. you know and some of those uh some of those inquiries in that chart i mean i wouldn't claim to have accuracy of 999.4 But i'm probably within a few points what i would do something like that is i would do

maybe 20 30 40 50 calibrations because i was really interested in his life and then i would take the mean average of those those and that's how i would do that get the 999.4 i don't claim that kind of accuracy but that's how i would do it as a mean average right Uh speaking of amma and bhagwan in india and you calibrating her is really high as i was telling you it must have been 2004 so i went to oneness university in the golden city in india and i remember sitting in darshan with amma it

was just a day where just she was there and again similar to experiences i've had sitting in the presence of other high teachers i remember sitting there and just having Tears of gratitude flowing and just being extremely moved by just being in a room i'm not breathing in any special way i'm not necessarily saying prayers or meditating or doing anything that would facilitate a high state of consciousness it was coming from her this radiating loving matronly energy and it was palpable and and very real so it's it's it's cool to hear that you in fact

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to mind based on your research as being worthy of pursuit at this given time yeah there's so many um i mean alma and bhagavan they they're they were very high i mean i uh my partner sherilyn is a pretty big student of theirs and i got trained as a blessing givers maybe you did at one time i got involved in it because They were the highest couple on the planet you know i'm in a relationship with cheryl and so i figured there's some things i could learn from that field just like you got from susan

and david i'm not saying everything they teach is really high it's interesting with bhagavan when he was doing his teachings in indian his teachings in indian would calibrate much much higher than his teachings in English because i think it's his second language so he didn't have the lingua the linguistic distinctions to convey what he was perhaps thinking so mother mir is another high one i haven't uh studied her but i was trying to figure out who the top 10 people on the planet were at one point and you know my friends and i were putting

all these people down Uh alma the hugging saint is you know extraordinary uh in fact you know if you you measure some level of consciousness and you can measure their level of functioning which is how active they can be in the world right so what happened with hawkins and what's happened with everybody that i've ever tested is that you can come in really high and then when you get to four or five years old and the mind kicks in Then everybody that i've ever tested including jesus buddha krishna and all the ones that have reached

a thousand and i think hawkins was there for probably six months i'm trying to remember the exact number of months they all go down below 500. they go into the high 400s that are about four or five years old and then they start they have to transcend the mind so many of them they don't do that until they're late teens or twenties Oh that's interesting so that explained those dips in there right because you have to integrate the personality and the ego and then kind of overcome that again even though you have done numerous incarnations

before because you're now embodied again and you have the epigenetics and all of the karmic baggage essentially of your lineage then now you've got to kind of work your way back out of that As a stepping stone to get to the higher state later in life where you again continue to teach and pass that on absolutely oh that's really interesting um yeah and i've written out that theory and test the level of conscious of it that's very high well cool yeah yeah alma the hugging saint man i went to see her a couple years ago

and woof why really it it was not one a hug that came easy You know the whole you're up all night man oh wow i'm waiting in line and there's a you know there's a well-oiled machine that they have but it's definitely she was not the most accessible person on the planet i guess for good reason i'm curious about a few other things and i'm going to throw a few things out and maybe you've tested them maybe you haven't What about the teacher rom das did you ever test his level right he just passed i

did and i i can't remember yeah he's another one of my favorites i think it's as far as you know picking up the torch with someone else i've probably as much as hawkins um he would be another one of my favorites uh there was something you mentioned that hawkins would Uh put in his protocol and that is to ask permission whether or not the question was valid or allowable you know is this god's will or does this serve the highest good to even ask this question and i remember in the audience at one time someone

asked if he would calibrate john of god the now healer in brazil and he went well we've tried to do it Before and we got to know and then he asked do we have permission to ask this question and he got a no and then he mumbled something about rubble we've you know we don't want to go there we don't want to go there and it definitely was a not not his normal kind of reaction to question i thought that was weird because at that time one of my goals was to go there and see

If he could fix my back because i had these back problems and then now you never know what's true but there seems to be uh mounting evidence that he was up to some pretty nasty stuff um and when i found that out it was like oh man that's interesting i remember doc not answering that question and then definitely you know not being very enthusiastic About that particular person in brazil um so i i like that part of the model where it's like we don't just ask whatever we want because it might not be in service

of of our highest good or the people listening to the inquiry and the answer as to whether or not they even get that so you know hopefully the question about john of god was like discouraging enough to other people as it was to me where They're like i'm just going to leave that one alone until i get further information a couple of the things i found interesting and i want to see if you've done any calibration in this area i think this was in truth versus falsehood which i would highly recommend to anyone who just

wants an encyclopedia of calibrations of so many books movies countries uh philosophies uh political Systems etc i mean it's just it's incredible but and and people ask this question too um are ufos real [Music] and hawkins got a no and that was one i always had a problem with and i think you know it's that i want to believe that they're real a and also i'm not naive enough to think that there aren't other forms of life in an infinite Ever expanding universe but i think that was a no because of the way the question

was asked like our ufos are real is a pretty broad statement because that would indicate what people typically think to be 1950s sci-fi version of ufos versus multi-dimensional you know shape-shifting intergalactic interdimensional craft entities beings etc have you done any calibrations of your own that are Worth sharing around the idea of consciousness or beings that are not of this earth that come here or have been here there's not a lot of research on that in flfv when we're writing these requests to divinity that we put in the high consciousness field the level of consciousness of

the programs have to be at 999 or higher for them to for that for us to be kind of clear of any karmic consequences So to speak that's what we determined and so sometimes we have to rewrite the definition of a word because it doesn't calibrate high enough to have the program be at that level so we have a whole glossary of terms pages and pages and pages of words that we have to reference in a contextual definition for the request to the divinity we're making so the default definitions that we use in writing our

Programs and the default definitions that we use as a society and the stated default of definitions that i use in the inquiries unless i state otherwise is the oxford dictionary calibrates about 460. so if you're going to i mean in an ideal world what i would have liked and probably what a lot of people would have liked uh Doc to do is to state the inquiries that he used to to make uh that he made or to make the conclusions he made and to transparently reveal that the unconscious default to his definitions would be the

oxford dictionary so the webster dictionary calibrates around 350 so it's a very different you know level of consciousness So i don't know what definition he was using and i think in other of his teachings he talked about you know the universe is such a big place and to think we're the only intelligent species out there you know is really kind of arrogant on our part and so it's a bit of a paradox and that's one of the few paradoxes there's one of those actually there's Only one calibration of his one statement of his it was

around the social influence of people and i've just never figured out how to make that inquiry about social influence um it may seem obvious to somebody else you know it's not they don't have permission to make it i just haven't figured it out so yeah for ufos and other beings from other Star systems even not just our solar system even the galaxy we live in my research indicates that there's definitely these that some of these beings are real there's a lot of misinformation in the ufo community and i think doc at one point calibrated abduction

experiences at 70 and there are other abduction individual abduction experiences that seem to calibrate very integrally But i happen to agree that you know to look out into the night sky and look at all the stars out there and think we're the only intelligent species that we're the most advanced and that other species look how far we've come in our lifetime luke with cell phones you know imagine we're going to be in a hundred years you know i mean another 10 years so i think that's just self-evident You know yeah there's a lot of talk

about the um the honeycomb earth theory that there's enormous cage in the earth that there's other species that perhaps moved into those areas during uh you know enormous volcanic events or asteroid events where literally if you didn't find another place to live you know You wouldn't survive very long on the surface so some of those theories test as integris as well wow wow that's wild so that's that's one i've always i'm i'm pretty open-minded and i'm willing to consider anything's possible um i think anyone that's done ayahuasca would probably have that point of view you

know experiences like that you just go oh yeah i don't know basically you Know there's so much more interdimensionally than meets the eye and to perceive your reality with the limitations of our senses is really kind of immature i think you know not to be judgmental but honestly there's there's so much more there but one that's always kind of and i'm like yeah and that's that there are you know beans living under mount shasta And this kind of stuff like the the existence of any kind of life form sentient life forms that exist you know

beneath us i've always been like oh that's pushing a little far but then again i've not been down there i don't know what's there maybe there's a huge pocket of air and they have their own sun underneath there who the freak knows in this holographic Weird planetary experience we're in yeah some people make claims that have gone down there and they test as integris some make claims that don't test as integris um so i think it's a you know it's an interesting phenomenon i don't have any personal experience of going into caves where there's other

you know beings living but there's enormous cave systems in the World just enormous so you can imagine that if they're that big and we know about them what don't we know right right there was another paradoxical uh test that doc did and that was and it used to piss off all of his liberal fans right that was he test george bush jr as like fighting was 400 which is well above 200 level of integrity and and also this is the one thing i've always pegged on him is like i just think he was mistaken he

must not have tested it and that was that there was some degree of inside job in the 911 event and he used to joke about how stupid people were that think that steel doesn't melt and his perception of the argument that there was a 911 conspiracy In relation to the twin towers and building seven was that idiots out there think that steel can't melt and he would say well how do you think they make steel beams they melt it where the real point of contention with theorists is that jet fuel scientifically does not burn hot

enough to melt steel and beyond that he also never addressed the fact that there was never any evidence of a plane At the pentagon nor was there any evidence of a plane in pennsylvania and so i was always that always gave me like a bit of skepticism about some of his other theories and calibrations because i'm like how he's so intelligent and so why is he calibrated so hi how could he miss such an obvious like a sloppy crime you know um and and george bush junior being Obviously complicit in that whole lie because he

had to have been part of the cover-up or at least you know whatever no one really knows what happened except the people that all did it but then i looked at it from a deeper perspective and and this is going to be difficult maybe for some people to hear but from a very zoomed out point of view [Music] I don't know that that event did you know even though it took the life of whatever it was 4 000 people and as a result got us into the middle east where you know tens of thousands of

people were murdered for no reason and the whole thing was just a huge debacle but i can't say from this vantage point that whoever did that didn't produce an outcome that was the lesser of two evils comp as compared to an outcome that Could have transpired right so maybe there were things going on in the middle east with the you know saudi arabia taking over and this and that that you know your average person like me has no clue about that could have ended up in a more catastrophic world event where you know europe got

involved in middle eastern wars and everything just went completely tits up so for that reason he might have Been purviewed to a a more broad perspective and that was you know an area where i really had to kind of open my mind like really george bush and i'm not even you know politically attached to one side or another at all but i remember him just getting you could hear people gasp in the audience when he said george bush jr had integrity you know because he was clearly like To in my take on it not an

honest person but perhaps he was being dishonest with the intention of the highest good according to his perception so have you looked into world figures that we would perceive generally as being negative energy but their intention so they might be dishonest or something like that like donald trump which we can talk about Maybe they do things that are dishonest or unkind or they lack decorum or they're rude or mean and angry and they're they're very low vibe but their intention is higher therefore they don't drop under the critical level of 200 as being you know

a real nasty person or someone who actually wishes harm on other people have you done any kind of political Analysis from that perspective yeah i mean i probably won't get into the exact numbers but i'll talk about some principles and yeah again 911 and a lot of things i would really like to see doc's inquiries and what he's using as unconscious assumptions but i'm not saying you know i mean first of all i'm not the best hawkins student out there I'm not a pretty good kinesiologist and i've i've persisted but i'm not claiming to be

the best talking student i don't know what went on in his head he was uh he's an extraordinary man one of the most influential people in my life i have a lot of respect and if you're going to go into a field of science which i consider kinesiology to be Then the more transparent you can be with your the people that you're helping including putting in the inco in the inquiries you have to test if it's in the highest and best interest of all creation to release the information you're you've tested to the people you're

considering releasing it to that that's a valid inquiry and that should be near the end of its protocols and it's not So when people say well how you know how do you know there wasn't protocols that he didn't include well i think it's self-evident it's in the it's in page 117 paragraph two to write down your inquiries and at the end and then the first part of truth versus falsehood and i don't have the you know chapter and verse of that because i encourage people just to do some work Um and look it up um

that's a valid inquiry and that should be included in the protocols and when you test the level of appropriateness so when you get into scale so the hawkins map of consciousness calibrates about 840 840 850. another scale that i use a lot is a scale parallel to the hawkins map of consciousness where 1000 represents something Because of all the logarithmic factors in it and another scale is a percentage scale which we're all used to in school right percentage scales are is typically the lowest consciousness scale because it doesn't use divinity as the ultimate source of

truth so the level of consciousness of the scale is limited by the precepts so So when you're looking at calibrating somebody it's really it's really interesting i'm still learning things and i've done you know created like probably a dozen assessments and i've done 4 500 of the assessments that i sent you luke just to give you a sample what they look like sometimes you know there is about three to four hundred calibrations in each assessment To gather the data so when george bush went into george bush jr went into the presidency he calibrated 110 points

higher when he was the president for 30 days so the office of the presidency calibrates in the mid high 400s and so when you have all those professional people around you guiding you consulting you helping you teaching you it if you're not at that level it will Tend to bring you up unless you're very obstinate and don't listen um the reason i think doc was able to maintain himself in the 400 while he was not 400 while he was an alcoholic was that the professional standards of the psychology accreditation require you to maintain kind of

a 400s approach to life like in order to be accountant or a lawyer or a psychologist there's a pretty high bar in the Professional standards of things you can and can't do so maintaining those professional standards in your day-to-day life will tend to keep you in the 400s even if you're drugging and drinking but there may be part of your life that's very low uh which is slightly different than john of god because i couldn't figure out what was going on with john of god i was i had a severe Health issue in 2000 and

2008. i almost passed and uh i was going to go see john god and i'd done a lot of testing on him but i did the testing before i figured out how to test for multiple personalities oh snap yeah snap so okay so one living being could have different calibrations based on entity possession multiple personalities Etc wow actually you got to figure out how to test that if you're going to do like this kind of work professionally you figure how to test that right on like right in the beginning and test people before you start

going down the road because i made that mistake and cost a friend of mine dearly because i recommend if you do business with somebody and you and that person had a multiple Personality and he caught the person lying about him on record and he played that to me because i you know and i've actually you know it cost some money i you know paid a chunk of that back just because it's like i gave you a recommendation it was wrong and then you know so that's in my inquiry that's in my assessment and it's pretty

well near the beginning so John of god is the real deal and one personality and he's very troubled in another and the one personality is the positive one is present 95 percent of the time so when i was writing the numbers on him i never found a multiple personality until about like i just because i believed what the people were saying but i never found it until and i never tested him for multiple personalities because i just People weren't asking me about him but one day i tested and like if i'm gonna really look into

somebody i'll just run them through the assessment it's all there but i didn't run hands for the assessment and when uh people told me this stuff came out it's like i kept running the numbers and one day he tested very very differently and it was this other personality showing up So that's a pretty big distinction that's extraordinary that's fascinating um you know going back to the the bush junior thing one perspective that i considered at a certain point because if if he had been calibrating him at 400 or whatever it was that would indicate that

that person is on above the critical 200 and therefore has integrity And is therefore honest and there were times in which mr bush was dead mr bush was definitely not honest you know especially as pertaining to the 911 situation but then i thought about it from the perspective again that if his intention for being dishonest calibrated higher than would it be possible for him to be purposefully dishonest and still calibrate at that level Have you ever looked at the the nuances of you know someone's thought process or the criteria by which they make decisions as

being able to contain both of those at the same time while they are in integrity but at the same time doing something non-integrous because the intention of that is higher question Only a hawker night as i call them would last something like that because you know it's like a it's a very specialized field right you start talking about these things if you're not if you're not into it it just could sound well i'm hopefully we didn't lose everyone at this point yeah i talk about david hawkins so much on my podcast that i'm hoping i

would have piqued people's curiosity into uh Into his work i want to just run a couple more things by you and then i do want to give a bit of a teaser into the flfe stuff we can do another episode tomorrow which will air a week after this but there is kind of a purpose to bringing all this together other than just wow we're curious about the nature of the universe um you've been able to do something with it that's really fantastic and i want to Cover that but i can't resist just while we're here

um have you and i know the answer to this because i got an email about it according to what you feel is the highest good but does the current president of the united states calibrate over the critical level of 200 of integrity yeah so let's talk about this so when you're analyzing when you're calibrating people and you're Learning to do assessments there's a bunch of things you need to test for so one is the number of times they switch polarity per day what does that mean you mentioned that switch polarity earlier can you define that

so switching polarity is different than a multiple personality disorder although people that switch polarity a lot that can be an indication of multiple Personality disorder and um so i have to be careful here because i'm making a claim that i can test that there's probably some psychologists out there that would you know i'm not a psychologist i don't have the i don't have the the professional credentials in some ways to to make that claim and i'm accurate enough as a Kinesiologist i've had enough experiences with it that i i certainly have evidence anecdotally and amongst

other people that it's accurate so i'm just aware that i'm probably stepping up to a line that i don't know how to handle if someone was to call me to ask me about it so i don't know where to go with that in this moment when you're testing people you want to Test the number of times they switch polarity a day so when you switch polarity you go below 200. so let's say over what you're over say you're 400 and you lose your temper or switch polarity like five times a day and let's say you

spend three percent of your time in a negative state during the day so then you can calibrate when that happens what point in the day that happens Because if a person will typically lose their temper at work or their switch polarity at work and they stay three percent of the time in the negative state they can be they can be too moody to really have a very responsible position right so when you're looking at employees it's very very important the other thing is to um people can be 400 in their overall life and they can

be tragic in one part of Their life so again you have an accountant or a lawyer a doctor who's you know they have years and years of training to have professional disciplines they have to adhere to maintain their uh their credentials or their designations and they can be excellent accountants or lawyers or doctors and they may have a real problem in their personal life they could be a gambling addict they Could be an alcohol they could be an alcoholic drug addict so you really want to test people in different parts of their life to understand

that completely another thing uh to consider is that some people appear much higher than they are when you're in their presence because of their heart chakra if a person has a like a heart chakra that calibrates 125 Out of 100 they kind of experience the life through their heart and they'll feel much higher than they are oh interesting yeah that's a really interesting one because i've been around people it's like you know they test at 520 we just you know high but they feel really really high it's because our heart trackers just fills the room

another thing and this is probably more pertinent to where you Were asking is that we got to talk about emotional age so when you're calibrating emotional age there's two references that i use to to there's two bodies of work that i cross reference to get a complete understanding of emotional age so you're doing kinesiology you're using these definitions either conscious or unconscious and when you're using kinesiology to measure People and you're trying to understand a concept you have to take bodies of work and take bits and pieces of bodies of work and align them or

organize them in such a way that you can have a complete 1 000 of a thousand understanding of that phenomena on earth as it relates to humans so this gets to be just i mean the amount of minutiae you have to go into to get some of these Inquiries and some of them i could never figure out how to ask the question because they don't have the i don't have the specific knowledge to even make the inquiry good like i can usually make a decent inquiry but some of them i can't because i just don't

know what that is to reference so when you're so the reason i did so many assessments for so long is because i found the inquiries that i could just Do the same ones over over again thank god because the research is just like you know it's crazy making sometimes you just at some point it's like like i gotta stop you know go have a life or something you know it's like so that's why um people say 7.2 million calibrations why would you even want to do that many we don't necessarily want to but if you

want to figure something out you just Got to dig and dig and dig and dig you know and i think eventually if you persisted long enough you would get it but life makes you pay a big price for some answers huge price and it's time and energy and persistence and a bit of insanity you know hawkins right-hand man was named nico nico and i kkko popped in my head as you were Talking yeah of course you discover about our president uh donald j trump so emotional age i preface this by saying like this is not

about whether you like someone or support them or whatever it's just like what are the facts of the discovery in terms of calibration i mean i was never a fan of any of the bushes still am not but i have to reconcile uh if i'm going to go along With this model that there may have been some redeeming qualities to that man that i'm unaware of so that could perhaps be the case with the leader of the free world right now you know it's such a polarizing climate that we have socially politically in every way

right now but i'm not interested in who's right i'm interested in what the truth is uh and so that's why i was curious about this particular question Well i know it kind of got right went around the mulberry bush as they say around it but um so the the emotional age of the so there's two references for emotional age it's going to give you the data right so if you're out there and you're doing kinesiology you have a head start on this one so the highest consciousness body of work on emotional age that's easy to

find is an institute in europe called Bodynamex b-o-d-y-n-a-m-i-c-s and their level of consciousness on emotional age is in the mid-900s sorry the mid 90s there's an organization there is an organization in kelowna called the center for trauma research i think it's cftre.com and there's in 2018 theirs was really high and their website changed Right so the body of worker body so all bodies of work change unless they're in a book and they're static then you can test them you're testing a body of work that's not static it changes so you have to test in different

periods of time if you're looking to gather the data to make your inquiries properly so if you reference these two bodies of work to make the inquiry about emotional age My conclusion is that the average north american over 40 years old because we live in north america the average a north american over 40 years old of 40 to death the average person is 15. uh i do not doubt that we're a bit stunted emotionally i mean the europeans are a little more uh they're a little high in emotional age a little lower in some areas

in north Americans we all have our gifts right different cultures different continents so what you're i think the trigger that i have when i see donald trump is that he appears to be emotionally immature yeah you think well actually i may have other triggers but that's the one that i'm aware of yeah i'm not saying he should or should be doing the job he's doing he's uh like his level of consciousness if you Look at the assessment personal development health sexuality income ability to receive intent towards all creation financial resource management social relationships lifestyle those

areas in financial resource management this man is very high he understands uh money and the exchange of value at a very very high level so from that point of view the country's In good hands from a certain financially resourced perspective and i think that's why people elected him partially and you know he's he's got to work on his emotional age you know if he wants to i think have people trust him deeper than they do because a lot of people trust him and like him and respect him His intent towards america is very high american

people he he loves the american people and even that to be true because a lot of his opponents and critics would there's all sorts of theories that he's you know trying to get rich from being president which seems to me not to make sense because he you know he signed away his ability to to be in control of his assets and i Mean he's losing money if anything but whatever people have different ideas but i have to say in a nonpartisan way [Music] regardless of his personality and some of the ways he expresses himself which

are very negative and toxic uh i have always had the sense in my heart that he does actually want to see the country be successful And including all citizens of the country and you know i'm also someone who distrusts the media immensely a lot of people go for their source of information and to form a point of view and you're going to believe and see the world in whatever way the tv tells you to in many cases unfortunately and i'm sure i was that way for a time in my life as well uh but i

have Always sensed that like as as much as he lacks decorum and you know i can see what people's grievances are with the way that he operates in the world etc but i have always felt that from the moment he started running i thought this guy actually you know whether or not he can do it or not we'll see but i really think he does not hate the country and many of the politicians that we see Now i truly believe they hate america they hate western and they have a desire to destroy it for whatever

reason personal gain just ideology etc um so okay so intent toward uh america over 200 meaning over the critical it's over 500. oh wow wow yeah emotional i'm not saying he's uh i'm not you know it's not i don't go down the political roads and i don't really get Down conspiratorial roads yeah there's more there's more there's more than enough people that know more about the deep state and other parts of the world and i do and there's enough people talking about it out there i think i can contribute something in a very specialized kind

of numerically oriented kinesiology point of view and that's where i think i can contribute to the world i i don't think I can serve in those ways that very well well it's it's interesting in looking back and i didn't really understand what he was talking about when hawkins would often refer to uh radical leftism to marxism relativism relativism socialism communism yeah feminism all of these failed ideologies that have proven themselves over and over and over again To produce death and suffering and i was much less politically savvy as i am now and i wouldn't say

i'm incredibly savvy now but i have a you know almost 50 i have a little bit more of a geopolitical understanding uh but i didn't really know what he was talking about and he came off as such kind of a crusty conservative and at that time i would have considered myself Really liberal hippie kind of basically um you know which is why i had that point of contention with bush i'm like how is this possible that i'm having cognitive dissonance here but dude watching the unfolding of the social unrest and the infiltration of marxist ideology

cultural marxism etc into the universities which he also calibrated oh yeah Universities have plummeted man some of them have just plummeted yeah and so now i listened and i'm like oh my god hawkins was a prophet man because he was predicting the outcome it's not that he was a prophet he's just like you know david ike and a number of other people that it's not that they're prophetic it's just that these ideologies and paths that we take politically and Socially have a very predictable outcome and that is death and suffering and they've always been that

way and always will be because those ideologies in and of themselves calibrate low on the scale of consciousness whether using hawkins scale or not marxism is a a road to suffering and so it's really interesting to look at hawkins work now and see oh damn he was right this is the Outcome when you educate the young according to untruths and you use the media to perpetuate untruth this is the societal collapse that we're kind of in in the beginning stages of experiencing now and i'm hopeful that somehow we'll have a positive outcome but have you

observed that kind of the premonition that he seemed to have in in Uh these undermining ideologies that we've seen throughout history becoming more and more self-evident that when you teach non-integrity ideologies and they're spread throughout our education system you have generations of people that are heavily influenced by that that the outcome is going to be tragic in some ways it probably already is you know we've all believed things in The past that are not true i think every that's true for everybody as far as i know i know i have you know and i paid

a price for trying to unwind those and i'm still probably unwinding some of them right we pay price yeah and um yeah it's it's shocking i mean i haven't really focused on politics i've really you know most of my life has been been about trying to raise my Consciousness and as i'm uh getting a little older i'm a little north of 50. just turned 55 so politics has a big influence on the world and to pretend that it doesn't is a bit naive but you know how do you have a relationship with politics and the

underpinnings of the belief system to run it and be at peace you know that's that's what i'm trying to figure Out yeah you and me both yeah yeah because it seems that the more negative the the belief systems are and they create these movements that there's just bigger extremes and the extremes affect us more as individuals that's the best as i can tell it's something that i'm kind of stepping into because there's parts of my life where i'm not You know i'm just not struggling the same way i used to right you know life is

pretty good so have a little more time to look into these things and um yeah you know it's it's an interesting and um disturbing subject i mean we had somebody go through our town it's a little town ten thousand people and they went through and spray painted backlines Matters everywhere you know you're costing it's costing people tens of thousands of dollars in property damage at a time when some businesses aren't you know 20 to 30 percent of business aren't going to make it including our office is sprayed you know we were just one of 33

places in town so when it affects you personally you know just kind of get your attention more I start i try to stay away from the media most of it's so negative it's like god it's hard to watch have you done a calibration on uh the american mainstream media as a whole by chance do you i haven't i haven't really dug deep into that you know i spent most of my time focused on flfv you know like we've assembled this group of Technologies to raise a level of conscious of the planet that's what i focus

on because that's focused on that you know i mean you could say you're trying you're you're you have this belief that you know according to our testing might be negative but you have this belief and you think this should be spread throughout the world because it will help to raise the consciousness so you can rationalize that but Spending a lot of time in the media it's just a slippery slope you really got to pick and choose carefully and limit your time yeah this is uh it's it's a challenge for me because there's this morbid curiosity

i call it yeah you know there's this morbid curiosity i want to look on twitter and look at the political analysts and pundits and see who's fighting and what New development and what city is on fire now and what emf like 5g tower went up at what high school and gave the kids cancer and it's it's like it's really difficult for me to be on the precipice of awareness versus falling into fear and and like what you said i would interpret that as really focusing on what you want which is harmony peace love understanding in

the world Versus focusing on what you don't want but at the same time i feel it's incumbent upon me to stay aware of the things that are unraveling and unfolding that i don't want so that i am prepared for them so it's kind of a a dichotomy there um on that note uh in terms of what's happening in the world right now have you By chance you know and maybe you haven't because you just said hey i'm just trying to do my flfe work and you know make the world more uplifted but have you tested

the covid19 theory or narrative or response by the government have you done any work around the quote unquote pandemic and its validity or anything like that yeah when i first came out i did a Ton of research on it because i really wanted to find find a way to to be a and to be at peace with it right whatever is going to happen i mean it's pretty i think the evidence is there that there's obviously a there's a there's something called covet 19 there's no doubt about that it was artificially created there's people who've

done research on that and proven It in painstaking detail and you know humans are there's people right now trying to do what's not trying to do they're doing research on biological weapons in case they need to use them against some other country in the future i mean humanity has some dark stuff in it we you know we got some shadow work to do and um that's gone on as probably as Long as biological warfare has has happened and will and will go on until we grow above it you know so the pandemic is partially karmic

because we did with the way we treated each other i mean if you continue to spend all this money creating biological weapons guess what's going to happen one day You know it's going to get released so i don't know how to quite answer this but i think you know the question i have is um i don't have a lot of questions about it is what's the cost that we should pay as a society try to protect certain groups of people and i don't know how you put a cost on the price of life i don't

know but what is the cost we should be paying As a society to to manage the impact of this like we're paying a very very heavy price and you know future generations will i mean we're going so deep into debt i don't know what the answer is i think our um our response as a society is slightly exaggerated in terms of the of what's actually happening i mean back in When sars was around i heard 20 percent of people might die in the states that was from obama's lips i don't know what else there's other

leaders were saying and look what happened with it right so if you check the level of consciousness of the computerized predictive models about what will happen it's interesting i'm i'm guessing it's under 200 95 that would be my guess 20 yeah so when you use a non-integral predictive model guess what happens right you get a non-integris outcome and response and reaction yeah i mean i have my perception of what's going on and i've talked about it freely on the show and i think the whole thing is just an insane manipulation and power grab but you

know that doesn't change the way that i'm going to live my life My goal is still the same as yours is is to raise consciousness and sometimes that includes like hey there's also some bad news here there are people that are vibrating at a lower frequency that are still living within their animal lower base nature of rapacious greed that don't care about hurting other people if they're to gain and that's just the that's the earth school uh contrast Right it's as doc used to teach it's you know people say well god why does it have

to be evil why can't it just be we all sit around and sing kumbaya and be enlightened well what would be the point of incarnating if you had no contrast if there were no scale if every living being was at a thousand then why would we have to have the earth plane and bodies and all of the strife that we go through it would be pointless You know it's like sending a postgraduate phd to kindergarten it's like why would you ever go to kindergarten if you're already there yeah if you believe and you can remember

that the purpose of this life is for maximum karmic opportunity to clear the negative things you've done in other incarnations and raise your consciousness that's a place that you can go back to At least i can and find peace it's like okay that's from a karmic opportunity wow yeah me too we're maxing out right now and that's the beauty of having conversations like this you know it's like i get messages from people every single day man i got a beautiful one on instagram yesterday i mean i'm i'm just a guy that just talks i don't

i don't i'm not even aware that i'm having an impact because it's just me alone in My ear and you on the other end i don't i don't have the uh visceral experience of interacting with all the thousands of people that will hear this but i got a message from someone saying oh i you know every day luke story uplifts my life and has helped me so much i've learned so much in just a few months and i thought oh man it just really it just warmed my heart so much Because i'm just i'm just

doing what i enjoy doing which is talking to brilliant people like you and uh the fact that other people are having transformative experiences to whatever degree they are is just icing on the cake me i'm just here to build karmic merit undo negative that i've pulled when i was less enlightened in the past and keep it moving and perhaps someday Not have to come back here anymore where we have the bin ladens and the whatever you know yeah like all the that i'm kind of wading through uh there there's one question before we close on

the flfe and uh that is i never heard doc talk about psychedelics or plant medicines or anything like that and i might have missed it because it wasn't something at the time i was Interested in at all uh being a sober guy it was just kind of not on the menu i never talked about it but a couple years ago i began to explore this world a bit and it's been extremely beneficial to me and now i i look at the earlier work of rahm das and i see ah that's what these guys were up

to and it seems to lead folks to a certain level of understanding and then You kind of just got to get off the elevator and do the work and i think because i was doing the work for so long before i got on the elevator it's just been a huge gift in my life and in my awareness have you done any calibrations or research about the benefits of these plant medicines shamanic traditions etc yeah a lot The use of plant medicines to raise your consciousness can be an integris path i don't know if it's the

key but an important point is doing the work with someone who has conscious control over this or the experience and that takes training and years of discipline taking acid or other psychedelics when you're a kid you know with your Other friends you don't have a lot of maturity you know you haven't been trained as a shaman it's like that that's you know it could not turn out well so uh as far as i can tell the shipibo tribe and the amazon are the holders of the most powerful mother plant of of psychedelics which is ayahuasca

so i've calibrated the level of Conscious of you know marijuana peyote you know lsd there's you know there's all these different drugs out there ecstasy and uh the ayahuasca is the highest consciousness one if it's administered by a trained you know loving high consciousness shaman and done in a safe container with multiple multiple people Taking care of that container who've been trained in that and like i'm talking about three or six months training you don't run a ceremony unless you've done it for years and years i mean i did a bunch of research i had

a client of mine who was really into ayahuasca and um i did a you know i did a bunch of research on the shamans and the guy that he was working with was 584 on the hawkins map i think he spent 18 Years working with the highest person on the planet at the time it's like yeah you can trust this man and he's got three or four people with him who've done lots of ceremonies and they have a safe container and that's a legitimate pass wow that's that's great that's great to hear yeah the last

uh four ceremonies i did with ayahuasca were in costa rica with two A couple actually really beautiful couple of the shipibo tradition yeah when they flew them up to lead this week-long ceremony and oh man it's like the hawkins music you know i i looked up the ikaros that they would sing oh yeah the spirit songs are great accordions of i was like that's that's that's my guy you know and uh and i actually found recordings of them and it's just like Oh my god such a profound experience and and you know as you said

just they've been serving this medicine for 20 plus years probably i mean it's just it's woven into the fabric of their culture their being and they chose the medicine path i'm sure many people in their tribe went off and did other things has a little you know donut stand or whatever you know Their their path was that and man i mean you can tell it's a it's a much different experience um than you described as a kid when i would go to grateful dead shows and eat a bunch of acid and just freak out in

a hockey arena or something you know yeah so yeah that's that's cool but it's it's interesting to hear that you discovered through calibrating that ayahuasca itself is sort of the You know the the highest level there because that's also been my subjective experience in terms of transformation and just walking away a different person and a better person nothing i've experienced has quite gone to that level whether it be psilocybin or you know peyote or any of the other things have you calibrated uh magic mushrooms by the way i know i have but it seems that

it's the Person facilitating the ceremony that is the tipping point as long as it's integris got it and you know doing it on your own it's like if you've had experience with it maybe i don't know i haven't i'm kind of a little bit naive about drugs i haven't done a lot of drugs um i drink you know i have some wine once in a while i'm just not a big drug user i I i knew somebody when i was young who was an addict and it affected me a lot so i kind of got

like i'm really cautious around drugs since i've seen what it can do to people and it's just just it's horrible yeah you know yeah so i'm pretty cautious that way and i was in eastern-based living philosophy for 11 years and you couldn't drink or smoke or there's a bunch of things you couldn't Do in that it was probably you know it was a i was fairly young at the time it was 18 19 when i got into it and i'm not saying i've never drank too much i did before i got into that organization and

i i certainly have since you know so i think it's more about the person holding the container and multiple people holding a container with Multiple people participating that seems to be just from an economy point of view you know because you have to pay someone there's a they're a professional you got to pay them there's something about sharing it in a group experience that can be really helpful and beautiful as well if you all go to the ceremony there's a social cultural part of it yeah yeah it's uh i don't want to seem like a

Too kind of like too much of a dissociated scientific analysis of it but i've just seen the affected drugs that you know like addiction could have on people and i'm just it's really about the conscious control of the container yeah as i mean you have if you have a highly you know there's other people beside the people that have they're good Shamans there's people from you know north america that have gone back and forth and they've earned the right to do it and hope they can do a great job there's other you know certain people

that do peyote that may do it better than most people that do uh ayahuasca right they're talking about the mother plant like marijuana is very you know it's illegal now in Many places and it was a very very powerful medicinal substance and it still is but because it's been involved in so many criminal activities for so long there's an energetic association it has with crime that you know if you have really conscious growers perhaps and really conscious people who facilitate the Process it might be a great experience but depending on where you buy it and

how you you know use it it just doesn't have the shapibo shamanic traditions of hundreds of years and the icarus and the whole container and the whole field around that that ayahuasca does so i just want to add some more context to that uh that's that's interesting you know it's funny just use cannabis a lot as a kid and uh It you know it was it was just the medicine that i needed i'm so grateful but it did definitely pave the way into really deep addiction as you and i talked a little bit about the

other day but you know what's interesting i've always loved the smell of it but as of late if i smell kind of a waft of it it has a kind of low vibration like there were a couple days ago i was Somewhere and i was i was laying down kind of meditating and i smelled weed and it kind of it brought a lower vibration to the experience that i was having and i would have preferred to not smell it even though i like the smell of it just like i would a nice incense or something

i don't think it's an unpleasant smell but it did occur to me like yeah that's kind of a low vibe smell it's weird i can't Explain it it's a very um very strange thing whereas if i smell you know sage or palo santo or some of the sacred plants that are used in shamanic rituals and ceremony it's very uplifting and it's just a very similar kind of smell you know same same kind of potency etc it's just a little more skunky and i thought that's interesting you know i think i've moved to a place where

that smell just Doesn't and it's not in vibrational uh resonance with me and perhaps that's why because it's been adulterated by you know a century of associative crime and issues with legality the vibration of that plant might in fact be a compromise as a result that's an interesting perspective yeah i mean it might have been the people who grew that particular Weed or the people were smoking or what they were thinking you know that you might have picked up some energetic because they have a vaporized substance like that it carries the energetic signature a little

stronger right so we'd have to dig into that and geek out on it but uh i can see we'll have to do like six more podcasts but what is the calibration of the united states as of late have you tested It lately yeah it's gone down a little bit um california right now because of the fires is the is the lowest consciousness state in the country typically it's not does that mean well it's just the fires like california is at a hundred so it's in fear oh man usually it's in the 400s you know the

states is around 300 right now uh pre-kova was 4 20 You know 420ish last fall you know canada's any where there's like we have extreme smoke up here like it's armageddonish like yesterday there was maybe 800 feet of visibility wow yeah like it's like it's all we have our own fires here but not 1 100th of what's in the states and it's just all blowing up the way the winds are blowing And you know it's wow i've seen it once before we had a fire localized i couldn't see across the river that's kind of one

of the things you know you live close to a river and you can't look across it you can see you know let's say you judge your particulate uh in the air but it's yeah it's wetter generally highest calibrating locations in north america or the world at large Or they're ones that typically resonate really high like in the himalayas or places that one might think are holy pilgrimage sites etc are any of those valid and kind of maintain that over time yeah i mean the you know the cathedrals the classic ones and hawkins books are really

high you know people talk about stonehenge and vortexes in sedona Sedona's dropped a lot in the last 10 or 15 years it's so beautiful there it really helps your spirit but i think there's been a cultural change um i don't know do you know regina meredith not her no she's a pretty big uh influencer on she's a well she's a producer a producer she's a host on gaia oh and she yeah she produces her own um She has her own youtube channel and produces her own shows so she lived in in sedona for decades and

moved back and forth and she talked about the change in sedona i must think it's not a great place to live it's just it's changed i mean if i was going to live in the states to be one of the places on my list to check out just because of how beautiful it is and i know some people there yeah i'm I'm fairly close to moving there we've got to go we're gonna go stay there in november to escape the election fallout and i think this episode will probably have come out after that trip so

people will have update but i was just trying to find somewhere where it didn't snow a lot that was beautiful that didn't have 5g that had you know a state where the Government response to covid was less totalitarian which typically and ironically ends up being the republican governor uh controlled states which is strange i never would have thought i'd said that but that's the way it is um and so sedona you know and also its proximity because it's close to an airport it's close to uh colorado like it's a hub where you can drive to

other beautiful places And so for that reason it seemed to be and fairly decent state taxes i mean it's no texas or florida but it's 4.5 or 4.7 or something much less than california but uh i was when um i got the report from you that it was much higher and it had fallen i was like no but it was 350 or something like cool i'll turn on flfe on my house like i have here and i'll make sure that my Immediate property lines are taken care of which brings me to and again those listening

we're gonna do an entire show on this tomorrow where we don't really talk about much of the stuff we did today and talk about this but give us like a elevator closing pitch on what flfe focus life for force energy is this is a service i recently signed up for i was happy to pay the monthly 300 Something dollars or whatever just because i believe in the work and the website and listen to a bunch of your podcasts and the general vibe in my home is just beautiful as a result and i'm 100 sold absolutely

and i know you're not a big salesy kind of guy which is because that's not why you're in it it's so obvious because you could charge A lot more frankly but um and you know yeah i know you do all the seva work and you know a lot of the stuff you do is free anyway and free trials and all this stuff but it's just been it's been a really great thing for me to experience especially as someone who's extremely sensitive to emf uh one of the features of the flfe service is emf mitigation and

anything that says that Gets my attention and um you know before this interview and before every interview i do i always activate my 30-minute daily and it's just i don't even i used to put a note on my desk to do it and now it's just like it's part of turning on zoom i open zoom and i'm like flfe site boom log in activate the boost and i activate the boost at my mom's house because i'm i'm in the portal And and it always makes for like a really light-hearted fun interview it's amazing so tell

us a bit about what flfe is so that i can encourage people to listen to the follow-up interview with you and your partner jeffrey sure so just one thing you said that you said the monthly was hundred dollars a month it's actually the monthly is about 35 a month the annual is if you prepay it's Three three fifty ish or something like that and to say yeah i've yes for the whole year because i'm just i trust that this thing works so yes thank you for extinction because that then people would be like wait he

just said he's not in it for the money three hundred dollars [Laughter] i could buy a car yeah yeah so flf he really came out of um you know once i got good at kinesiology It's like okay where do i where do i go with it and i've developed a bunch of bunch of intellectual property and and you know hopefully someday i'll be able to share more that people ask me well you know can i take a course from you on kinesiology and i haven't got it's in the highest and best interest to teach everything

i know and i think that's because the power That it would take to steward that i just don't have it yet so we're trying to form a group of people that can hold that container i do have permission to uh where it's in the highest and best for me to share more of what i do know and i just haven't got around to doing that i've certainly written a lot of courses and taught a couple on kinesiology some of them you know 12 weeks long significant ones It's not like i'm trying to keep it secret

if you're going to live by the arm you got to live by the arm so to speak so you know kind of the arm you know the testing right so yes it's not like it's some great big secret and i don't want to share with people and you know anybody can if i can figure out any reason the intelligent person can figure it out you just you got to put in The time and um even some really integris people who are higher than you and i loop they just can't be good testers so there's just

sometimes there's a karmic thing in the way so this is a long-winded kind of approach but if you get really good at kinesiology it doesn't mean you'll get accurate on everything because if you have a Personal bias against something you won't be able to get good data so the benefit of doing testing in a group which we have in flfe now is that each one of you can test the other's percentage of freedom on the subject right which is something else in the protocols just to test the freedom you have to test the issue so

when i get real good at kinesiology i started looking at okay what do i do With this you know i was making a good living in my coaching practice and i thought i could publish the intellectual property because you know i i spent a lot of time developing it and um you know i'm just like everybody else it's kind of in my own way to a degree and i probably still am i just prayed about you know what would you have me do lord what's your will for me and um Kept praying and praying and

praying and uh i got told to you know use my kinesiology skills to to assemble kind of a unique combination of all the non-linear technologies that are out there that have emerged and are continuing to emerge that can help many more people than i can ever help as an individual and even if i could teach some of the Kinesiology stuff it's there doc hawkins has created a body of work that if you put the time in you can figure it out no one can stop you if you're a good tester you know if you're if

your body is able to test so the the answer for me was to assemble these this unique or to assemble a unique set of uh inventions some of which i knew about and some of which helped me personally in an extraordinary Way and try to help as many people as as we can and um that kind of came in conjunction with jeff and i doing service work with one piece of technology and i was in this conversation with my myself and the divine we were doing service work with the original flfv tech you know the

technology just before 2012 trying to raise the level of conscious Of the planet because there was a big question in the space of humanity of what's going to happen after 2012 after 2012. and a lot of people don't know that there was several solar flares around that time that passed between the earth and the moon which isn't a lot of space in the in the galaxy that if they had hit the earth in succession because they were so powerful We would likely wouldn't be having this conversation wow yeah david adair is the guy to talk

to look up on that he really gets into the details of it but so the mines might have been right in one way it was a it was a fork in the road so so that was the answer that i got was to try to put you know to do this work with jeff jeff's um he's a very understated guy and you meet Him and and but he's got a he was a client became a friend and he was you know practicing business as a spiritual path to um through raising the level of conscious of

this company by helping the culture to create a really healthy culture so you owned a couple of businesses they're kind of institutional businesses some have been around The early 1800s multi-generational solid as he's as solid as man as you can find i think in many ways he's a great man so that was the answer that i got was to do this with jeff and see how many people we could help and see how much good we can do and uh we only had so many resources personally so to serve in a bigger way we had

to turn into a business or get an angel Investor or a donor to give us enough money that's basically what it came down to so you you discovered essentially a physical technology like a frequency right a coil you know mad scientist back to the future laboratory kind of thing and then eventually through your research and use of that determined that it could be used non-locally And that the frequencies and the beneficial harmonics emanating from that machine could be transmitted uh interdimensionally or i guess you could say in a quantum level ignoring space and time and

just be point assigned to a physical address to an object a person phone etc and that's the basis of the flfe service so the technology emanates an energy field or field of consciousness that can be Assigned to different things and when someone signs up as i have it's assigned to my address here i also have these business service on luke story inc i have it on my phone i have it on my partner allison's phone which afterwards after i did that she said you know it's cool but maybe ask my permission before you put some

some frequencies but uh you know what Are you gonna do we live through it but um so essentially what's happening is is that device or however many devices you have now can be assigned to someone's service and then you've discovered along the way that emf mitigation etc these other kind of added benefits that you discovered along the way can also be attributed to that particular location or that person's Unique identifier as being their cell number or their tax id number for their business etc and so essentially in the quantum space of pre-particle in the wave

you're sending information somewhere that harmonizes the field where someone exists technology is part of god too not separate right we activate a high consciousness field around a unique identifier And we're able to put requests to divinity in that field such as the programs we talked about earlier you you've summed it up pretty well yeah and so this works for people i think most of my audience are pretty warm to energetics i mean you know i have channelers on the show and all kinds of things like that i i think i've probably lost a lot of

our Strictly left brain listeners a couple years back yeah to be you know a bit out there but i you know i always try to ring in some you know hard science for for those folks too but uh the way then one would um integrate this would be to sign up for the 15 is it a 15 day free trial where they have a we have a two week free trial you don't have to enter your Credit card we can't bill you unless you come back and sign up there's no negative building where people take

your credit card if you don't cancel just didn't test out as being the best way you know it's kind of a non-integris model right you get people to sign up and they forget to not to not sign they may not be not integrals but it wasn't wasn't right for us Right so it's kind of a no loss you just get to try it for a couple weeks cool well as i said i've you know i'm a big fan of it so i encourage people to check out the free trial you've got nothing to lose i

didn't even do that as i said i just thought hawkins emf i'm in it rings is true i didn't have to do muscle testing i just thought i don't know this makes too much sense it's also i think knowing and we talked About this the other day i've never met someone who's a true student of dr hawkins work that is not integris that's a rotten person i mean i'm sure they exist just like there's a lot of christians that suck and muslims and whatever i don't know i've never met anyone i didn't vibe with that

was deep into hawkins work so when i saw that both of you were i thought there's no way these guys are Going to scam me because they understand the karmic repercussions from studying doc's work if you do something knowingly out of integrity there's gonna be price to pay so i thought all right fine i'll pay my 300 bucks or whatever it was for the year and and be done with it and i'm i'm incredibly glad that i did now it's a matter for me i'm just like thinking of now all the different friends that i

Have that either i think most of my friends would believe in it but they might not believe it enough to throw down a yearly subscription or monthly subscription so now i'm trying to find a way to just buy it for a few friends i have a friend that has cancer right now and he's totally into hawkins work but he doesn't have any money because of the medical expenses so i'm like That's where i'm going with it is like cool i'm taking care of now who can i actually gift this to in my in my life

that's not in a position to be able to do it for themselves and there's a few people because it's just been it's been awesome man i'm so stoked to meet you and discover again to you know i think i told you i found your site and i connected emf And hawkins bookmarked it and then probably a year at least went by and it just you know there's so much noise life with all the that i discovered i lost touch with it and then when i found it again through a couple different sources i thought ah

it came back for a reason i'm just super excited to get to chat with you so thank you so much for coming on today i'm going to see you again tomorrow Yeah hopefully tomorrow it's not two hours and 22 minutes for your sake but thank you for your um you know your kind generosity with your time and experience and wisdom today in closing i've got a question for you i'm going to ask you today and then i don't have to ask you tomorrow and one answer might be obvious who are three teachers or teachings that

have influenced your life And or your work that you might recommend our audience goes to check out marilyn said you're probably going to ask me this question so i did prepare for this one person ever i always i always get everyone off guard yeah um well in terms of teachers that's a different question she said you might ask who are the three most influential people in your life so is it just teachers or hey you know My question was always and i don't always get this type of answer because someone will say oh is my

dad which is fine um it's about like okay so we've learned a lot from you today about so many different things who are three people or or teachings in general that you might recommend our listeners go study to be able to gain some of the knowledge that you've gained In life okay well i'll answer it the same way i was thinking about so the first teaching that i'll talk about is the power of commitment and that's what i learned from my dad he never missed a day's work in 25 years when he had you know

us like his commitment to us was so extraordinary in spite of you know his humanness like we all have he was absolutely committed to providing And having us be physically taken care of and i missed a lot of days work in the last 25 years i just get i just work too much and get exhausted take time off but he he would have to kill that man to stop him from going to work it was it was extraordinary to be in it like you know i started to really appreciate as i got older because i

always went through that phase where i was kind of angry at the world and Why would god create a world like this for so much suffering you know i was probably an atheist for years and uh until i got the karmic opportunity piece i think that lingered in me like why is there so much suffering so my dad would be the first one that came to mind and seconds yes doc hawkins to have someone that calibrated that level of consciousness that has hundreds of hours Of dvds and material out there that's just like unprecedented in

history i mean there's been other people that have been higher for longer periods of time but to have access to someone that calibrated that high that discovered this non-linear unique phenomena even if he didn't just who he was to be exposed to that like we're lucky you just go on youtube and watch stuff And it's like wow yeah the other thing is you know when you when you're when you live with somebody when you're a partner with them to have somebody be willing to look at what's in the highest and best interest of all with

you and whether you do that with kinesiology or however you do that you know but to have someone in your Life that you live with that is willing to just keep going back to that as the default and and to have a way to find out who determined between the two of you what's in the highest and best interest of all and just say okay that's what it is that's what we're going to try to do you know and it's imperfect and it's messy and sometimes you need to ask the question differently and it's humbling

Because you really didn't think to ask it that way or to you missed a piece of the context you know context is everything when you're forming the inquiry like forming the inquiry is key like just key and it's a piece of context you don't have the same outcome it's just there's a really there's a real rigor to forming an inquiry to have someone to share my life with That is willing to go there all the time man i just you know i'm gonna say sharon's great like that and so is jeff god you know like

i got a couple people in my life we got like our our general manager ashitosh we got a team of people eddie she's you know like these people they just want to know what's in the age the highest and best interest of all and try to do it It's like wow you're blessed i feel you man thank you for that yeah yeah i feel your gratitude i appreciate it i'm grateful for your gratitude clayton so there you go my friend well tell us where we can find uh your website etc as we close out the

episode yeah it's uh flfe.net uh we also own ethelfi.com it goes to.net because that's what we had first And uh yeah i'm not really a salesy person so it's a it's always a bit of a a question about what's an h b in this situation but i encourage you to you know people to do the free trial and see what their experience is and uh if it doesn't work for you it doesn't mean that you did anything wrong it doesn't not everything works for everybody but we just want you to trust Yourself and uh you

know it's our gift to you um to humanity to to to do this and some good things will happen in the two weeks we believe even if you don't subscribe some really beneficial things to your body and your environment 90 of the of the energy historically that the company has that the technology creates we do service work with it So we're doing a lot right now we just did a power upgrade a couple months ago because of covid because we wanted to do more service work we did a 40 000 times power upgrade enormous we're

just giving it all away because the world needs it so you know it is a business but it is and it is business such a spiritual path and uh we're a bunch of imperfect humans running the company but you know service is good it's integrous Yeah yeah well you guys are doing a great job and i'm i'm extremely grateful that you uh have had the commitment to the teachings and to further that and to share it with us here today and uh with that i'll bid you farewell man and let you off the hook and

we'll be back here tomorrow to have another conversation and then at least you'll have your your other half there so he can yeah Fill some of the the gaps there but i look forward to having more of a deep dive into the flfe.net technology and uh and get both your perspectives because i think it's just something that's so useful and and much more accessible to people than a lot of the interventions that are where you have to have the technology in your house in order to harmonize the Field they can get expensive and that's a

gripe to have and like i get it they they are so um i think this is really really useful so thanks so much for coming on the show and your generosity of time i had a really good time hanging out with you i could spend time with you it's always great going going deep on hopkins working with way more luke we go way deeper now all right we're just scratching the Surface i can't wait man yeah yeah i'll see you on the next one okay well if that conversation didn't get you thinking folks i don't

know what will pretty incredible stuff right i was so grateful to have the opportunity to sit down with clayton as i have on a few occasions since this recording and learn all about how he's applied the work of dr david r hawkins i highly recommend obviously that you check out some of the Work of hawkins a really good starting point would probably be the book letting go the other one of course is power versus force if you want to get a bit deeper the eye of the eye reality versus subjectivity the list goes on and

on but definitely one of my all-time favorite teachers and dare i say someone who made what is perhaps the most important discovery of all time And that is that each and every human being well at least most of us those of us that calibrate over 200 at the level of integrity most people and their nervous system have the ability to validate truth or falsehood locally and non-locally throughout all time and space i mean it's too big to even get your head around which is why i wanted to have this Conversation with clayton and why i'm

going to be having a further conversation about this technology and about how they've applied it to raising the calibration of any location using flfe so next week's episode is called turn your home into a temple with focus life force energy featuring again clayton and Now his partner jeffrey so make sure you subscribe to the show and definitely check out next week's episode and if you're curious about flfe the focus life force energy as i talked about in the intro i've got it on my location here in sedona where i'm recording i have it on my

mom's house i have it at my house in la i've got it on my phone i put the service on my business I'm a firm believer and i think you can tell by the level of integrity of our guest clayton that this is uh no joke as crazy as it might sound that you can actually focus energy on a location remotely and raise the consciousness level of that location i know it sounds nuts but it's actually true if you want to check it out you can get a 15 day free trial you don't even have

to put your credit card or anything you just Sign up put your address in turn on the service see how you feel you don't feel anything which i doubt and then you just turn it off otherwise you get a yearly or monthly subscription it's very affordable and in my opinion totally worth it so if you want to check out flfe go to flfe.net luke and activate your free trial and if you want to learn even more about it as i said next week we go into the Actual technology and what makes flfe or some people

call it fluffy work it's pretty trippy stuff i'm really excited to share that one with you all right folks i think that's it thank you so much for listening if you made it to the end of the show and you still hear my voice you made it through the the ad reads i mean that's like got to be the most boring part of the show so if you're still here i want to let you know that i love you i Support you and uh i'm sending my prayers and blessings to you right through your ears

right now and i thank you so much for supporting the work i'm doing and for giving people like clayton stedman a voice in the world and sharing his commitment to truth and spiritual advancement and so uh yeah i'll be back next week for a show All about focused life force energy which is truly incredible i can't wait to share it with you make sure you subscribe to the show so you don't miss next week's episode 316 or any episodes to follow god bless you