spin R I just felt I wanted to I was very happy with the result we're looking at polls the worst the worst poll that we've had was 71 that I see we had a 92% rating in one poll 80 to 20 I told that to Brett Bear and we sent him a lot of polls and we sent you a lot of polls this morning we had an 86% rating and another we had 77% one poll is 92% to 6 92 to 7 92 Mr President speak louder 88 11 all of the polls are 60 70
and 80 86 to three w i mean but every single poll last night had be winning like 90 to 10 71% to like 24 or 25% why don't you do a shout out poll who they thought won the debate last night it would be great you know we always do the poll at the end Mr President why you do I'm I'm on theone the polls are indicating that we got 90% 60% 72% 71% and 89% where are you getting these numbers from and there and there you have it Willie the race is over uh 86
to3 he tells one person who responds with wow you won 86 to3 did you comrade Stalin oh the all this over IET people must love you really love you no but I mean that's part of the well that's not part of the problem I mean it's a huge problem he lives in an alternate reality and his handlers thought that they could somehow manage that going into the debate uh and Republicans mainstream Republicans that insist on staying with this man regardless of of of of the craziness the lunacy uh all the losses um you know they
they always thought they could control him they could manage him he can't be managed and he lives in an alternate reality at least politically yeah when your debate performance is an unmitigated disaster not by the account of you and me but by the account of Republicans by the account of his advisers talking privately now to the Press about how bad it was there has been this fallacy this fantasy this charade that if we can just get Donald Trump to settle in prepare and focus on policy he's going to have a great it ain't happening it's
never happened since the day he stepped onto the scene I don't know why we keep uh trying to entertain that idea he is who he is it was on full display for an hour and a half two nights ago and he got whipped frankly and so now you have to go out and just make up polls Joe by the way that matchup we just played there was from our friends at Allin with Chris Hayes who put that together just showing the absurdity of Donald Trump's spin it's making up poll number num and of course Joe
it's it was three against one up there whining about the debate moderators The Whining is because they said for one thing you can't kill a baby in any state of a union after he or she is born and no Haitian immigrants are not eating pets in Ohio that's why it was three onone and unfair and again I mean anybody that thinks that's why he lost the debate that he was corrected three times on what but you know he got about seven minutes more than he was supposed to because the debate moderators allowed him to keep
breaking the rules every answer she had they would try to move on to something else he would blurt something El crazy stuff for a minute or two minutes breaking the rules and I was actually sitting there are you going to enforce your rules or not I mean I I don't know if you remember but when he came on our show he didn't talk over us or we hung up so I wanted to show um wanted to show Jonathan lamir the headline in the New York Times today uh are you ready Red Sox walk it off
Jonathan Red Sox walk it off you have a picture here of O'Neal trotting around the bases um oh wait that's not that's not the headline but uh but 84 font there just screaming font like War is Over War is Over Red Sox within four you know they we we the why do I bring this up with Willie and you because we have actually and this is all we can hope for with this team in September middle of September we actually have a Yankees Red Sox series that means a lot to both teams yeah no you're
right both teams had walk-off wins yesterday as you just mentioned Tyler O'Neal hit one to the Moon uh way over the green monster walking off the Orioles frankly doing the Yankees a favor taking two out of three from Baltimore uh and the Yankees had a walk-off win against the Royals on a on a ball Mis miss an errant throw to home plate um after the Yankees had rallied there uh but yeah we've got a series that matters now I mean the socks look four out of the wild card they might need a sweep in the
Bronx to really get there at least two out of three that's a tall order but look it's middle of September these games matters it's Red Sox Yankees it'll be fun The Sweep they need is with the twin then uh I'll let you get to what uh you probably I if I shot up 5 minutes ago you could have done and introduce everybody headline here really sums it up you know I always talk about campaigns need to be bumper stickers uh the headline today for to Trump us is failing to Harris there's hope I mean that's
the campaign wrapped up in a headline and a very accurate headline Trump trump would say that that America's failing and he does say it all the time and kamla Harris would say we there's hope there's hope best days could be ahead so so I think it's fascinating if if you want to know what this campaign's about right there right there right there whichever camera there with that one right there that's what it's about Willie and that's what we'll be talking about today along with the Trump right melting down about uh debate moderators uh some saying
they should be jailed which tells you where we are in 2024 on the Trump right that they're talking about jailing moderators in the debate that Donald Trump had about six or seven more minutes to talk and you talk about pathetic excuses and also Taylor Swift Elon Musk Travis Kelsey it's and now to you Willie guys unbelievable well we'll get into all that and that headline you held up Joe that was a takeaway for a lot of people huge Audience by the way we're getting into some of those numbers really big audience watching across a number
of networks the other night but that theme of her saying we're not going back to this looking forward Joy instead of yesterday and American Carnage that's the message she's putting out I'll give you as long as we're holding up newspapers Joe another good number here the Wall Street Journal I'll head over here look at that Top Line inflation Slows To threeyear Low that data we talked about live as it came in yesterday that is great news for Americans going out trying to buy groceries and do other things in the country in factors in of course
the campaign so around the table this morning MSNBC political analyst Elise Jordan she's former Aid of George W bush White House in the state department US national editor the financial times Ed loose MSNBC contributor and author of the book How The Right lost its mind Charlie Sykes good morning to you all so uh Trump debate performance frustrates Republicans that is a headline from The Wall Street Journal following his debate on Tuesday with vice president KL Harris the journal States GOP lawmakers and others Fred that Trump had missed chances to challenge Harris on her record and
instead let his own controversies become the bigger story as Harris's needling got under his skin Republican senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina of course a staunch Ally of Donald Trump called the debate a missed opportunity and Republican senator Kevin Kramer of North Dakota said quote he treated it like a mini R in a lot of respects you've got to be talking to those swing voters in swing states he could do that better with details we're also getting new reaction from inside the Trump Camp one adviser telling NBC News quote it was not his best performance
without question that's from inside the Trump Camp a longtime Republican operative saying I know everyone in the world has said this but the inability or unwillingness to realize when he's being baited and not fall for it is constantly baffling and how about this Robert F Kennedy Jr of course recently suspended his presidential camp campaign to endorse Donald Trump criticize Trump's debate performance vice president Harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery her polish uh her organization and and her preparation I think un substance uh president Trump wins in terms of his his governance
um and but he didn't tell that story this is from a guy John Within affinity for eating animals that he hits on the side of the road so that's tough tough criticism ISS could had decimated it you know the issue really resonating there with ar kenned Jr for sure but there has been widespread consternation uh from both inside the Trump camp and other Republicans who who saw that he who said claimed that Trump was prepared that he was going to go in there and really Hammer home the economy and immigration and he did try a
couple of times to shoehorn immigration answers uh into questions but then he was derailed by talking like eating dogs and eating cats in Ohio to the point yesterday where the city manager of that town in Springfield Ohio had to come out and hold a news conference a man named Brian Heck who I'm sure two weeks ago did not have this on his bingo card for what the his life would carry him had to have a news conference say that didn't happen and then the Republican governor of that State Governor dwine also said that's not true
that's not happening here it is not dissuaded Trump however who continues to push it yesterday as well as suggesting that the FC take away ABC's broadcast license because of perceived bias in that debate and I think that for Republicans their concern is twofold one is they know that Harris still unknown to a lot of Americans came out of there looking good that she was able to show she passed the commander-in-chief test but secondly Trump craziness for was on full display and she was able to bait him several times into looking unhinged into getting angry into
reminding Americans why they got tired of him in the first place uh and that I think with Joe is is something that a lot in the Trump those Trump's close advisers including someone I spoke to yesterday afternoon who said like you know as they go back and forth as to whether they'll debate with her again that they really feel like they gave her a real assist and Trump formed a real impression in people's minds who are reminded who may have had Trump Amnesia like oh maybe things weren't that bad maybe we could maybe we like
his economy whatever it might be and then they look at that and go uh we don't want to do that again no I mean 60 million viewers saw that side of Donald Trump I mean 60 million that's I mean the only two TV shows uh in America that people watch more of the Super Bowl and way too early with Jonathan lamir and outside of that he wants to clean up a yeah you know you know you know what that pressure is like but Willie you know I think everybody was focused including Republicans on on how
badly that Donald Trump did but they didn't focus on how well kamla Harris did and it was really brought home last night I was I was uh scrolling uh through uh the news and I saw a couple of like watch parties people watching Harris and her pausing at certain points which of course you're watching it and you're like you know you're watching it in your your own home and you don't get how everybody's reacting but people were laughing at at her the pause is cheering she really after starting first couple minutes a bit nervous she
really commanded a bob Shrum uh obviously a Democrat who is who has worked on presidential campaigns and Mark McKennon a republican uh who's obviously worked on George W Bush's campaigns and McCain's campaigns both said the same thing that this they believed was the best debate performance they have seen since JFK's in 1960 uh so uh that is their opinion um and um I think it's important when we think about how this debate's going to impact people we take note of the fact that Donald Trump lost but at the same time an equal measures kamla Harris
won and by doing so with a massive TV audio audience she did clear that hurdle she proved that she was not what the Trump right has been calling her for the past four years yeah it was a huge test for her because if you think about the DNC in Chicago she had a there was a great convention but that's a pep rally that's a home game um and she looked great in that and the the party was unified there but now she steps into the arena with the opponent she's in the boxing ring this isn't
sparring anymore it was real and you make a great point because Donald Trump's atrocious historic terrible performance overshadows in some ways the ways in which she instigated his performance in which she provoked him and got him to go to his darkest places and then was able to just sit in a split screen and sort of the subtext was do you want this again America rational sa your lives have a strong economy and take care of your families do you want to live through this for another four or five years and then she would turn and
say he wants to talk about himself I want to talk about you which I think is the message she want wanted to drive home so Charlie Sykes as you watched a couple of nights ago we've heard from many pollsters people like Frank Lun with focus groups people with dial tests saying those dials went way down on Donald Trump when he launched into some of his more insane rants about eating dogs and other things but also inconsistencies that he cannot explain away on the uh the issue of abortion for example um what did you see as
you watched with your trained eye a couple of nights ago well you you know a lot of what we saw with Donald Trump you know the bitterness the angry the the fabulism is is is familiar to those of us who' watched Donald Trump over the last eight years right but this may have come as a revelation or a reminder to tens of millions of people who were turning in and go oh my gosh who is this this angry old man yelling at the at the clouds here um and as you point out uh kamla Harris
is an unknown factor uh for many many many voters and she and she put on a a really extraordinary performance not not just discipline I mean look she also uh won that split screen um in a in a rather dramatic fashion I think that that's perhaps a little bit un a little bit underappreciated but but a couple of things here um and I think you highlighted this at the at the top of of the of the show Donald Trump I mean and there's a warning here too you know that Donald Trump as we know lives
in a bubble of of delusion but also what he demonstrated was Republicans are refused to take the L they refuse to acknowledge his he refuses to acknowledge these law and also they remain addicted to these fake internet memes even after they have been debunked they will not let go of the big lie and I think that this is going to be this is not a new pattern for those of us who have followed this but think of this in the context of the election um and the big lie Donald Trump is creating an alternative reality
where he never admits that he loses and no matter how egregious the LIE is no matter how much it has been refuted they will stick with it and I think that's kind of extraordinary How Deeply online they've gotten and how even in you know and by the way talk about blatantly racist know the imagery of Donald Trump saving kittens in America from angry black men um but they're not letting it go and they won't let these things go and I think this is again a marker and a warning for our times you know Willie um
there is there is a parallel it's not a strong really strong parallel because nothing compares to Donald Trump but you remember when we were covering the 2012 election Mitt Romney uh his campaign his family lived inside that Fox News bubble and you'll remember uh on the front page of of of of drudge every day was was r plus 11 because Gallop the gallop poles were so wildly off and you'll remember that night and I'm just that this bubble that they live in where people are going oh my God they're say this bubble leads to disaster
most times and you'll remember that night Mitt Romney and an Romney two people I love they late into the evening they were sure that there was something that was wrong with the numbers cuz it went against everything that was in that bubble in 2012 that Republicans lived in even pre- Trump they and and you'll remember Coral Ro saying something's wrong with these numbers like even late into the night nobody could believe it because they had all been living in a bubble and I'm sorry but I just got to say it this is what's happened every
year since 2017 they live in a bubble they convince themselves that by saying uh illegal immigrants are coming to America with Leprosy that that that Caravans are coming to eat their children you know they think that by saying the the most radical wild things that was an exaggeration um that somehow they're going to sway the middle they never do it doesn't work it worked for one day in November N9 years ago and when Donald Trump admitted afterwards to me that the election could have been held on 10 days and he may have only won it
on that one day and they have tanked their entire party destroyed the conservative movement based on that one day because a letter was written uh 10 days before that literally changed the outcome of the election yeah and you're talking about a 2012 Fox News bubble which I mean compare that that to what the bubble looks like today which is right the the farthest reaches of the internet the darkest conspiracy theories you can think of Amplified and pushed to the top of a presidential campaign which gets you a debate like we had two nights ago at
least where as we were saying yesterday that was rally Donald Trump where the the curated audience at the rally knows all the lines to the songs they know about the cat eating thing in Springfield and they cheer when they hear that but there are 67 million people watched the other night that's a lot of people who don't know about the cat eating Conspiracy Theory online or anything else Donald Trump's talking about going I want to know which of these people's going to take care of my family and protect my rights what on Earth is this
man talking about well and then when Donald Trump makes such a crazy comment it just pops and it becomes the pull quote of the night establishing just how crazy he is and reminding voters oh this guy is not not really all there uh and also going back to the age issue when you know he seemed a little slower he had plenty of facts wrong you know mixing up West Virginia and Virginia and then you contrast that to kamla Harris and she came across as likable at the end of the day she came across as likable
and Donald Trump wasn't able to Define her and paint her as an extreme liberal and that's what he needed to do instead voters got to see a woman who was collected she was in command she was strong she looked good and she wasn't taking anything from this man ranting at her you know Ed lose uh in your your latest ft colum you talk about how triumphant kamla Harris was at her convention uh but said there were still fears there were still lingering doubts about how she would do against Donald Trump let me read uh from
you're calling you say if there were doubts that Harris could stand up to Trump they were dispelled in the first encounter it may be their last the fact that she ended Tuesday night's debate by calling for another speaks volumes and I I I love the subhead of this because you you you you you get to really the essence of all of this and why it's so important kamla Harris has actually kamla Harris has the measure of Donald Trump it's actually the headline and she's the first Ed think about those 16 Republicans in 2016 how lost
and confused they were debating Donald Trump think about Hillary Clinton when Trump came over and stood behind instead of George Bush turning turning to Al Gore in 2000 going like what's wrong with you man and everybody laughing at Al Gore uh Hillary just sat there and didn't know quite how to react to it she's talked about that a good bit but he's always uh intimidated blustered always found his broke rules through debates Town Hall meetings Etc but the headline says it all kamla Harris has the measure of Donald Trump which means he wants no part
of her in a second debate and if he's stupid enough to debate her a second time we know how it's going to end of course as We Know Joe um he doesn't want to debate about because he's already won um and she's desperate because she lost so badly to debate again and it's extraordinary line that that Trump has stuck to since um since then but she has the measure of him you remember back to Tuesday night I think the moment where it really started to unravel for Trump was when she talked about his crowd sizes
and invited people to watch them a unique thing um in the history of presidential debates to watch their opponents rallies and watch how people leave during the rally and yawn and get bored and that I think was where Trump's head started to be really messed with and he never got it back uh because kamla Harris had had really done her research on him his foundational myth um really of his presidency was the size of his inauguration crowd in 2017 something that you know he said on day one a direct lie was Far bigger than the
one Obama had had um and so this has been a sort of it's his Gateway myth you know once you sort of go through the I've got the largest crowds in history um then all the other myths flow from that so she had the measure of him she went back to the Central Park five you know an issue that um uh you know dates back more than 40 years where he takes out an ad calling for the execution of what turned out to be innocent people he doubles down on the Central Park five um she
to nail him on a potentially weak um issue which was Biden's um withdrawal from AF Afghanistan by pointing out that this was his plan and getting him to say the bizarre to me still as a rich Choice bizarrest bit in the whole debate where he describes the leader of the Taliban as a guy called Abdul Abdul I mean it's it's you know it's a completely non-existent person he's just chosen the one Muslim name he can remember it's like I don't know the leader of the Taliban saying that guy John who leads the West or is
it Billy um that that that's uh that's the kind of sort of uh wacky Direction she sent his head in because she had prepared so well she knew exactly what would trigger him it did she kept doing it and I I bet she would relish another debate yeah and she's certainly to your point well prepared she also had the Dig about Wharton business school of course Trump's a proud Alum and she cited Warden professors there uh criticizing his plan and they sort of tipped their hand about the crown siiz thing because I should note earlier
that day they ran an ad featuring Barack Obama and his DNC speech where he memorably poked fun at at Trump's crowd sizes with accompaning hand gesture uh and that ad ran in Philadelphia where the debate was being held and in West Palm Beach basically two places where Trump might see it uh that day uh so they knew they they showed that punch was coming and he still couldn't react but I want to back to this idea of of this ecosystem this small shrinking right-wing Fever Swamp where Trump lives that leads him to say things about
eating cats uh Eric Ericson a conservative commentator who we talk we you know quote every so often on this show he in a rage on Twitter the other night said look what you've done yelling at Trump's Aid saying you're showing him this stuff you're allowing him to believe this stuff and all it's doing is alienating the actual voters he needs to win who not only have no idea what he's talking about but thinks it makes him look crazy and then Trump in response conspiracy theorist Laura lumer a 911 truther joined Trump yesterday on his flight
to New York for the ground zero September 11th commemoration he hangs out a lot with Laura Luma I mean we can mention other names you know more familiar or older standing ones like Steven Miller who have similar World Views but Laura Luma um is somebody who said tweeted something so racist so nasty about Kamala Harris uh and the White House smelling of Curry and um Co centers taking the uh if she became president that even Marjorie Taylor green uh asked her to take it down now if you if you if you offend margerie Taylor green
I didn't think that was possible um and margerie Taylor green thinks you've gone too far U then that then that says something and this is the kind of person Donald Trump is hanging out with he's hanging out with people who tell him yes what you've just said about crowd sizes is true yes what you said about uh you having the greatest economy in the in world history um is true um what um what we what we've been hearing about people fry um hanging other people's pet dogs or abducting their cats that's true he's hanging out
with people who say yes back to him and I doubt frankly that Chris levita or Susie WS who are professional um campaign operatives worked on many different um Republican campaigns are being listened to very much at all by Donald Trump and the more we see of that a bit like the debate the other night the the more rope he has given to hang himself the more he will hang himself Charlie the the woman that Ed and John are mentioning here is a reprehensible uh racist she calls herself a proud islamophobe conspiracy theorists on everything from
9/11 to school shootings and everything else um the Tweet which we won't read because it's so deeply ugly uh gets at um kamla Harris's Heritage her identity the fact that she's half Indian leave it there gets into all the ugliest possible stereotypes um about that but this is not a casual relationship this woman is flying on the plane to the debate with Donald Trump we also point out that vice president JD Vance is cozying up to people and sort of making excuses for someone entertaining the idea that actually Churchill was the villain of World War
II and not Adolf Hitler um these are choices this is not a retweet of somebody this is not accepting an endorsement and pretending you don't know the person this is elevating these people and it is extraordinary um Laura lomer is is not just a bigot she is I mean she is a freak she is at the far edges of the Fever Swamp you know as as Ed just mentioned even Marjorie Taylor green you know uh describes her as racist and and and offensive and yet Donald Trump is associating with her these are the kinds of
people who have his ear right now so at this moment of the campaign I mean think about this we're we're less than two months away from the election Donald Trump is associating with some of the craziest weirdest figures on on the on the right you know and in part I you know this is kind of the JD Vans effect you know JD Vans and Don Trump Jr who have decided that uh that they want Donald Trump to be extremely online and you saw that play out um during the debate but you're also seeing it play
out you know throughout this campaign in all of the rallies in Donald Trump's head you have people with the most extreme and bigoted ideas who are feeding him lines and memes and encouraging him to go places that no politician in our century and you know maybe for the last century and a half have even thought to go um and I think this is concerning in terms of this bubble of delusion that he's created himself this bubble of extremism and and delusion that he's going to carry up until the election and past the election Charlie Sykes
thanks very much US national editor the financial times Ed loose thank you as well we'll see you both soon still ahead on Morning Joe we'll take a look at how the Harris walls campaign is looking to build on momentum after the debate plus house Speaker Mike Johnson cancels a planned vote on a government funding bill and growing Republican infighting we'll get the very latest from Capitol Hill and you hear the music Here's why an unbelievable story John bonjovi the music legend being hailed as a hero this morning possibly saving a woman's life talking her off
a bridge in Nashville it's an incredible story morning Joe's coming right back KL Harris May boost voter Reg registration for Democrats according to the general Services Administration Swift's Instagram post drove at least 337,000 users to visit vote.gov a site that helps people to register to vote in their states Donald Trump and his running mates Senator JD Vance of Ohio reacting now to the news of Swift's endorsement of their opponent vice president Harris I was not a Taylor Swift fan it was just a question of time she couldn't uh you couldn't Poss Poss L endorse Biden
you look at Biden You couldn't possibly endorse him but she's a very liberal person she seems to always endorse a Democrat and she'll prob probably pay a price for it at the uh in the marketplace well look we we admire Taylor Swift's music but I don't think most Americans whether they like her music or fans of hers or not are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who I think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests uh and and and the problems of most Americans I mean billionaire celebrities it's too easy this is t-ball walks
right into it said a billionaire who is disconnected from the lives everyday Americans come on man come on now I mean is see yeah I don't think me people are going to be influenced by billionaire celebrity who I think is disconnected from the interest and the problems of most Americans it really uh at leise it is too easy um I will say um you know know I'm I I've never yeah I I grew up listening to musicians who never supported people I I supported and voted for as a conservative and I was like H whatever
you know they I I don't expect I didn't expect the Beatles to play at Barry goldwater's convention in 1964 like so like when people oh they're Liber whatever I'm listen to music most people do listen to music and usually musicians endorsements don't mean anything I I will say if there is one that makes a difference it would be Taylor Swift and it would be Taylor Swift because she has such an extraordinary uh following a deep following uh with with with people of all ages and I actually do think if you know her getting them out
to vote we're starting to see the registration numbers go up you know on the margins every little bit helps when you need you know when you may win by 50,000 votes in Michigan uh or or 30,000 votes in Wisconsin or you know 15,000 votes in Pennsylvania where I think Taylor Swift's from uh every little bit counts and this may be more than just a little bit Joe I find it fascinating because she is just such a cultural icon and I mean has fueled so many economies around the world by just Merit of touring there and
it's hilarious to me that Trump thinks he's actually going to hurt her business because her business is doing just fine who can actually afford tickets to even for foree e for speech for for e for for e
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